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post May 14 2017, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(voyage23 @ May 14 2017, 02:25 PM)
Same, but thinking of moving all my AS1M to AH Select Bond Fund after they declare the dividend this year.
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don't forget to post at ASNB thread when u actually withdraw your AS1M..

because there's people waiting for the units biggrin.gif
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post May 14 2017, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ May 14 2017, 04:08 PM)
don't forget to post at ASNB thread when u actually withdraw your AS1M..

because there's people waiting for the units  biggrin.gif
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post May 14 2017, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(voyage23 @ May 14 2017, 02:25 PM)
Same, but thinking of moving all my AS1M to AH Select Bond Fund after they declare the dividend this year.
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Correct me if I am mistaken but isn't ASX capital are protected by PIDM? That is a positive point for them..
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 14 2017, 06:33 PM)
Correct me if I am mistaken but isn't ASX capital are protected by PIDM? That is a positive point for them..
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Hahaha... I thought that too. Until dasecret came and make noise. ASX is not PIDM protected or capital protected. The buying and selling give at rm1/unit gives the impression that it's capital protected but it's not. It's the nearest you can get to capital protected aka pseudocapital protected. thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by Ramjade: May 14 2017, 07:03 PM
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post May 14 2017, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 14 2017, 07:02 PM)
Hahaha... I thought that too. Until dasecret came and make noise. ASX is not PIDM protected or capital protected. The buying and selling give at rm1/unit gives the impression that it's capital protected but it's not. It's the nearest you can get to capital protected aka pseudocapital protected. thumbup.gif
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Not protected by pidm?!
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QUOTE(virgoguy @ May 14 2017, 08:14 PM)
Not protected by pidm?!
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nope. don't think any unit trusts is protected by pidm
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post May 14 2017, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 14 2017, 03:47 PM)
nah. I am running of us and monitoring my port on a weekly basis while keeping a sum of cash in CMF. once Trump gets impeach or us implodes from being retarded.

I'll swoop in
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Swoop in? Swoop into? US again post-bleeding? Or Gold? brows.gif
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QUOTE(virgoguy @ May 14 2017, 08:14 PM)
Not protected by pidm?!
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Nope it's never been protected by PIDM. But as long as one stick to fixed price fund, I have never heard of anyone losing money via amanah saham.

Anyway OT already. Later people come fire me. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(voyage23 @ May 14 2017, 08:21 PM)
Swoop in? Swoop into? US again post-bleeding? Or Gold? brows.gif
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fall out from the empeachment will affect the entire markets. I'm aiming to buy in all of them. mauahahahahah!!
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post May 14 2017, 10:03 PM

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Hi guys, I just opened an account but I'm already feeling so overwhelmed with all the information provided not only on the website but in this thread. I understand what a trust fund is and the general investment tips like diversifying portfolio and all but I really have no idea on how and where to start.

Please advise me on the right direction as I have never invested before. I'm ready to invest RM2,000 and see how it goes.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 14 2017, 09:46 PM)
fall out from the empeachment will affect the entire markets. I'm aiming to buy in all of them. mauahahahahah!!
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You are not the only one. There's so much stuff I want to buy in SG. DBS, First reit, etc...

QUOTE(Vintage @ May 14 2017, 10:03 PM)
Hi guys, I just opened an account but I'm already feeling so overwhelmed with all the information provided not only on the website but in this thread. I understand what a trust fund is and the general investment tips like diversifying portfolio and all but I really have no idea on how and where to start.

Please advise me on the right direction as I have never invested before. I'm ready to invest RM2,000 and see how it goes.
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1. Determine your risk profile.
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/schoo...g.svdo?PageID=3https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/riskP...kProfiling.svdo
2. Determine how many % EQ you want and how many % FI you want. You can be 100% EQ also no problem if you can stand it.
3. Determine your sector allocation (how many % you want in Malaysia, asia pacific, etc)
4. Determine which fund you want to pick.
You can email FSM for recommendation.


Alternatively, you can stick with 4 funds by following turtle investor asset allocation
http://www.turtleinvestor.net/asset-allocation/

I recommend you to replace his global index to be 15% US based + 15% asia pacific (that way you have total 5 funds)
For SG index fund, you can choose a SG fund (there's one sold by FSM)/choose a malaysian based fund/choose india fund for more power (if you have no confidence in malaysia)

Bond fund, just use affin hwang select bond fund.

For reits, use manulife AP reits (I personally recommend this over amasia. But it's your choice. Alternatively,you can buy M-reits yourself from bursa saham but it's yield is not attractive.

Btw, RM2k is too little as most fund need min RM1k to start. After that topup for fund range from RM100/RM200/RM500.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: May 14 2017, 10:18 PM
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post May 15 2017, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(Vintage @ May 14 2017, 10:03 PM)
Hi guys, I just opened an account but I'm already feeling so overwhelmed with all the information provided not only on the website but in this thread. I understand what a trust fund is and the general investment tips like diversifying portfolio and all but I really have no idea on how and where to start.

Please advise me on the right direction as I have never invested before. I'm ready to invest RM2,000 and see how it goes.
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with RM 2000,...unknown to a lot of things about you,...I simply shoot.....
you can try
RM1000 affin hwang Select Balanced fund
RM 500 cimb asia pacific dynamic income fund
RM 500 Cimb global titan funds

with that, you have approximate 25% FI:75%EQ with
25% in M'sia FI
25% in M'sia EQ
25% in Asia Pac EQ
25% in US, Europe and Japan EQ

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...heetMYHWSBF.pdf
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB007.pdf
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB010.pdf
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 14 2017, 06:33 PM)
Correct me if I am mistaken but isn't ASX capital are protected by PIDM? That is a positive point for them..
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 14 2017, 07:02 PM)
Hahaha... I thought that too. Until dasecret came and make noise. ASX is not PIDM protected or capital protected. The buying and selling give at rm1/unit gives the impression that it's capital protected but it's not. It's the nearest you can get to capital protected aka pseudocapital protected. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(virgoguy @ May 14 2017, 08:14 PM)
Not protected by pidm?!
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Yeah, it's OT. But just see the other 2 comments, that's why I feel obliged to "create awareness" every now and then

Not only ASx funds are not PIDM protected, it's not capital guaranteed just like your any other variable priced UT. It is black and white in the master prospectus. But I guess no one reads them just like their "financial statements" without balance sheet aka Statement of Financial Position. The things they do with these funds defy any modern accounting standards and as a bean counter I just find that hard to stomach

I've always maintain my stance that ASx is a poor surrogate for FI allocation; in fact they are worse surrogate than EPF. EPF can still be considered balanced funds. ASx invests at least 75% of its funds in Msia equity funds; and some portion on I can't tell what kind of assets from its f/s. So they are very similar to the likes of Eastspring Equity income if I must draw parallels to VP funds

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QUOTE(dasecret @ May 15 2017, 02:13 AM)
Yeah, it's OT. But just see the other 2 comments, that's why I feel obliged to "create awareness" every now and then

Not only ASx funds are not PIDM protected, it's not capital guaranteed just like your any other variable priced UT. It is black and white in the master prospectus. But I guess no one reads them just like their "financial statements" without balance sheet aka Statement of Financial Position. The things they do with these funds defy any modern accounting standards and as a bean counter I just find that hard to stomach

I've always maintain my stance that ASx is a poor surrogate for FI allocation; in fact they are worse surrogate than EPF. EPF can still be considered balanced funds. ASx invests at least 75% of its funds in Msia equity funds; and some portion on I can't tell what kind of assets from its f/s. So they are very similar to the likes of Eastspring Equity income if I must draw parallels to VP funds
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Actually I appreciate it that yoh showed me. Anyway I will still treat it as fixed income.
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post May 15 2017, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ May 13 2017, 11:58 PM)
hmm.gif how to interpret the market valuation table?
hope this can helps....

Valuations
The market weighted price-earnings ratio (PE) or ‘market valuations’ as we commonly address it, is a measurement of how ‘expensive’ or ‘cheap’ a market is at a particular point of time. The information on market valuations is easily available on our fundsupermart website.

So how is the price-earnings ratio calculated? The price-earnings ratio is the current price of the market divided by the expected earnings per share for the market.
Expected earnings are calculated on a weighted average basis ( companies with a higher market capitalization will have a higher ‘weight’ in the calculation of expected earnings).

It is relatively straightforward to compare valuations. A market with a high PE is considered ‘expensive’ and a market with a low PE is considered ‘cheap’.
However, bear in mind that this valuation measurement is used on a relative basis. Valuations can be compared across markets, or compared within the same market on a historical basis.

In the case of profit taking, comparing with historical valuations is more relevant, as it is a better gauge as to whether the market is overvalued or not.

In other words, if the PE for market A is 25 times, on an absolute basis you cannot tell whether it is expensive or cheap.
However, if a comparison is made vis-à-vis other regions and we find that valuations of other regions range from 30 times to 40 times, the valuation for this market is relatively attractive.

But for the purpose of deciding whether or not to take profits, we can compare current valuations to the historical range of valuations. If historical valuations range from 10-15 times, we can say that market A is ‘currently trading at a relatively high PE in comparison to the historical range’. In such a situation, investors should consider taking profits.

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...?articleNo=1783

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...l?articleNo=606

Determining equity market’s attractiveness
https://www.themalaysianreserve.com/new/sto...-attractiveness
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hmm didn't know FSM existed in 2005

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QUOTE(Drian @ May 15 2017, 09:49 AM)
hmm didn't know FSM existed in 2005
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added info...

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd. (formerly known as iFAST-OSK Sdn. Bhd.), which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/home/aboutUs.tpl
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QUOTE(T231H @ May 15 2017, 12:09 AM)
with RM 2000,...unknown to a lot of things about you,...I simply shoot.....
you can try
RM1000 affin hwang Select Balanced fund
RM 500 cimb asia pacific dynamic income fund
RM 500 Cimb global titan funds

with that, you have approximate 25% FI:75%EQ with
25% in M'sia FI
25% in M'sia EQ
25% in Asia Pac EQ
25% in US, Europe and Japan EQ

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...heetMYHWSBF.pdf
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB007.pdf
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...etMYCIMB010.pdf
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MYR 2K?

Usual UTF min participation is MYR 1K. Hence best bet or best bang for the buck:

Just dump into 50% Esther wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif Bond plus 50% into Lee Sook Yee's wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif Equity fund, relax and come back again when you have more moolah!

Xuzen

This post has been edited by xuzen: May 15 2017, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 15 2017, 10:49 AM)
MYR 2K?

Usual UTF min participation is MYR 1K. Hence best bet or best bang for the buck:

Just dump into 50% Esther  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  Bond plus 50% into Lee  Sook Yee's  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif Equity fund, relax and come back again when you have more moolah!

Xuzen
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So are you vested in local equities at the moment?
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QUOTE(T231H @ May 13 2017, 03:33 PM)
hmm.gif if I am not mistaken (I usually do), I think he/she cannot simply suka suka use the company account to invest into other funds except CMF...
there are other implications and restrictions that needs to adhere to....
has he/she consulted the company's secretary or auditors?
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Yar yar! I recall speaking to a tax agent before ( many many years go ) , if you use your business money to invest in non - core activity , there are negative tax implications. I cannot recall at the moment the exact mechanism , perhaps our resident tax agent aka Dasecret can shed some light.

The rationale is a registered company is there to do business that it is registered for , and when she stray away from its core business activity , there will be tax implications. I need someone more into this line to advise .

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QUOTE(dasecret @ May 15 2017, 11:13 AM)
So are you vested in local equities at the moment?
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Directly = NO

Indirectly = Yes, through KWSP

This post has been edited by xuzen: May 15 2017, 11:26 AM

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