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post May 13 2017, 12:06 PM

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Yesterday article:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-May-2017--8339

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For an investor that have chosen to invest in a unit trust (e.g. Fund House A – MY Equity Fund) via Fundsupermart (“FSM”), rest assured that internal procedures are in place to handle clients’ assets in accordance with the regulations. FSM has set up Client Trust Accounts with licensed banks in Malaysia to deal with clients’ monies according to Section 111 of the Capital Markets Services Act 2007 (CMSA). This is to ensure that clients’ assets are segregated from FSM’s house assets and handled in the manner allowed by the rules and regulations. All units, on the other hand, will be registered in the name of a separate entity, namely iFAST Nominee Sdn. Bhd. Despite the nominee structure that FSM operates, essential information of the underlying investors will be shared with the respective fund houses to ensure that all units held in FSM pooled nominee account can be properly accounted for. Should FSM ceases as a business concern, with investor’s permission, all assets will be returned back to investor or transferred to another Institutional Unit Trust Advisers (IUTA).

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post May 13 2017, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ May 13 2017, 12:01 PM)
Anybody noticed this section at FSM homepage?

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P/S: Sorry if I'm a slowpoke.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 13 2017, 12:04 PM)
all the time but as Xuzen pointed out its best if you avoid new funds until you have enough data from the fund to judge it. it's better allocating your time and money into well tested funds. given a few years who knows those funds will outperform your old ones.
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with the exception of the indonesia fund, which seems to be 7 years long and a peer comparison to rhb indonesia and EI indonesia (saw it previously, dont know why it is gone now)

Then it can complement with manulife india and various china fund to mix around and compare with the monster CIMB CII fund tongue.gif

p/s: i do hope they include more india funds too for peer comparison sweat.gif

pps : the manulife indonesia fund sucks laugh.gif compared to the RHB counterpart

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post May 13 2017, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 12 2017, 09:58 PM)
That's why I think RR ratio is missing the part on the likelihood of higher return. A fund which has higher average return has the likelihood of going back to it's mid point.

RR ratio doesn't seem to reflect the likelihood aspect ..... correct me if I am wrong.

But maybe the simpler solution is to skip reit funds altogether. wink.gif
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RR is not a tool to generate alpha or for lay-person, it is not to obtain higher return. To generate better return is the job of a fund manager to pick good stocks based on their fundamental analysis skill set. Our role is as portfolio manager.

Think it as this way:

Fund Manger = Field Captain, in charge of tactics.

Portfolio Manager = Team Manager, in charge of strategy.

The theory behind Modern Portfolio Theory is actually to obtain the best outcome given a certain amount of risk exposed. You will notice that MPT tends to gravitate towards risk management.

The rational behind it is simple, if we manage risk well, then over time, the portfolio gain would be natural because the function of time is exponential whereas ROI is linear. If you think along this line, managing the risk, and let time or compounding effect work its magic is more efficient than trying to generate alpha by exposing ourselves to greater risk.

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post May 13 2017, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ May 13 2017, 09:36 AM)
when i always heard master xuzen said the risk reward return is good, i always blur  confused.gif a bit.

how u ppl determined risk reward return in unit trust?

by using 3 year annualized returns divide by 3 yr Annualised Volatility ?... blink.gif

**** dont know how to tag master xuzen... tongue.gif
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RR is found at FSM fund selector function. Now, go play with yourself.....

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post May 13 2017, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 13 2017, 12:01 PM)
be advised this is way difficult than UT. this is a product of many homework and research and worrying that what if you chose the wrong counter and stand to lose 60% of your capital and it doesn't appreciate. unlike it all you have is measly returns if you made the wrong call
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Once upon a time, I also play stock - market. Then a thought occurred to me , I think ,

" Can I be better than Lee Sook Yee wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif ? "

or

" Can I be better than the fund managers of KWSP , since those people have the best tools and research report money can buy ? "

or

" Those professionals fund manager get invited to meet the company board of directors and ask them questions directly. Who am I , a ikan - bilis investor ? Can I even meet them directly ? "

After properly considering the above , I come to a conclusion I cannot , and better don't waste time trying . Do not waste my effort to duplicate work done by better people .

Hence I moved away and become a portfolio manager .

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 13 2017, 12:32 PM)
Once upon a time, I also play stock -  market. Then a thought occurred to me , I think ,

" Can I be better than Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  ? "

or

" Can I be better than the fund managers of KWSP , since those people have the best tools and research report money can buy ? "

or

" Those professionals fund manager get invited to meet the company board of directors and ask them questions directly. Who am I , a ikan - bilis investor ? Can I even meet them directly ? "

After properly considering the above , I come to a conclusion I cannot , and better don't waste time trying . Do not waste my effort to duplicate work done by better people .

Hence I moved away and become a portfolio manager .

Xuzen
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Lee Sook Yee also got trapped by Ekovest. Maybe 'trapped' is too strong a word.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 13 2017, 12:32 PM)
Once upon a time, I also play stock -  market. Then a thought occurred to me , I think ,

" Can I be better than Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif  ? "

or

" Can I be better than the fund managers of KWSP , since those people have the best tools and research report money can buy ? "

or

" Those professionals fund manager get invited to meet the company board of directors and ask them questions directly. Who am I , a ikan - bilis investor ? Can I even meet them directly ? "

After properly considering the above , I come to a conclusion I cannot , and better don't waste time trying . Do not waste my effort to duplicate work done by better people .

Hence I moved away and become a portfolio manager .

Xuzen
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Actually retail investors have three advantages over fund manager
1) retail investor can sit on huge pile of money even 100% also can
2) less withholding tax. eg. since I am in s-reit, as an individual, I don't kena tax 15% withholding tax. But those fund manager reit etf (yes there are 2 asia pacific reit etf) will kena 15% (or more depending on the country) withholding tax which effectively decrease your returns.
3) is hard for a retail investors to become majority shareholder (it's possible but one needs to be loaded) vs a FM.

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my friend is managing a platinum account for his company. their company funds are all allocated in fsm..he planned to invest in the following funds:

79% RHB Cash Mgmt Fund 2
13% Affin Hwang Quantum Fund
1% Affin Hwang Opportunity Fund
3% Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
2% Eastspring Global Emerging Market
1% Eastspring Global Leader MY Fund
1% Asia Pacific Equity Income

Need opinions from sifus here.




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QUOTE(TaintedSoul @ May 13 2017, 03:19 PM)
my friend is managing a platinum account for his company. their company funds are all allocated in fsm..he planned to invest in the following funds:

79% RHB Cash Mgmt Fund 2
13% Affin Hwang Quantum Fund
1% Affin Hwang Opportunity Fund
3% Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
2% Eastspring Global Emerging Market
1% Eastspring Global Leader MY Fund
1% Asia Pacific Equity Income


Need opinions from sifus here.
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very bad choice of funds here. currently busy to type the entire supposedly port. I'll be back

add on

10% RHB cash management fund
30% Cimb Asia Pacific income fund
20% Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund
20% Rhb Emerging Market Bond fund
10% TA Global Tech
10% Manulife India



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QUOTE(TaintedSoul @ May 13 2017, 03:19 PM)
my friend is managing a platinum account for his company. their company funds are all allocated in fsm..he planned to invest in the following funds:

79% RHB Cash Mgmt Fund 2
13% Affin Hwang Quantum Fund
1% Affin Hwang Opportunity Fund
3% Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
2% Eastspring Global Emerging Market
1% Eastspring Global Leader MY Fund
1% Asia Pacific Equity Income

Need opinions from sifus here.
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hmm.gif if I am not mistaken (I usually do), I think he/she cannot simply suka suka use the company account to invest into other funds except CMF...
there are other implications and restrictions that needs to adhere to....
has he/she consulted the company's secretary or auditors?
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post May 13 2017, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 13 2017, 03:22 PM)
very bad choice of funds here. currently busy to type the entire supposedly port. I'll be back

add on

10% RHB cash management fund
30% Cimb Asia Pacific income fund
20% Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund
20% Rhb Emerging Market Bond fund
10% TA Global Tech
10% Manulife India
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yes please look into that..need opinions from sifu
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QUOTE(T231H @ May 13 2017, 03:33 PM)
hmm.gif if I am not mistaken (I usually do), I think he/she cannot simply suka suka use the company account to invest into other funds except CMF...
there are other implications and restrictions that needs to adhere to....
has he/she consulted the company's secretary or auditors?
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unless he owns the company and he has power where the proceeds go to hence why the increase allocation in CMF?
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QUOTE(T231H @ May 13 2017, 03:33 PM)
hmm.gif if I am not mistaken (I usually do), I think he/she cannot simply suka suka use the company account to invest into other funds except CMF...
there are other implications and restrictions that needs to adhere to....
has he/she consulted the company's secretary or auditors?
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can. it is actually considered as quoted securities in audit report..

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QUOTE(TaintedSoul @ May 13 2017, 03:36 PM)
can. it is actually considered as quoted securities in audit report..
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check my recommended port. allocating mostly in Asia ex Japan and the rest into global tech and India.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 13 2017, 03:35 PM)
unless he owns the company and he has power where the proceeds go to hence why the increase allocation in CMF?
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yes..forgot to mention..thats his own company..

reason why 79% in CMF is because he is a risk averse investor..whenever his company needs money..he will just sell off the funds and get cash asap..liquidity is his main concern..
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 13 2017, 03:37 PM)
check my recommended port. allocating mostly in Asia ex Japan and the rest into global tech and India.
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thanks..will suggest him to look into that..=)
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QUOTE(TaintedSoul @ May 13 2017, 03:42 PM)
thanks..will suggest him to look into that..=)
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be advised. take my recommendation with a pinch of salt and this is a very high risk port. I bear no responsibility if things turn south this is my disclaimer

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 13 2017, 12:23 PM)
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RR is found at FSM fund selector function.  Now, go play with yourself.....
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thanks, sifu.....just wanna know how to calculate...... biggrin.gif


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Global Titans good time to buy now? hmm (am aware that unit split no difference in nav)
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QUOTE(innsean @ May 13 2017, 04:49 PM)
Global Titans good time to buy now? hmm (am aware that unit split no difference in nav)
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how much % are you planning to allocate this in your portfolio?
if < 15%, then anytime is a good time.
if > 15% then read this and decide...

provided you don't have any other funds that would change the allocation % to each of the 3 countries

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...The-Market-8332

http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...y-2Q-2017-13310

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