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post Mar 12 2016, 09:38 PM, updated 10y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

iFAST Corporation, via its wholly owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

One of iFAST Corporation's shareholders is SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, which is Singapore's largest media group. In recent years, iFAST Corporation has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.

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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif
To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

And FSM has a very helpful LIVE Customer Service, MAKE FULL USE OF THEM. Look for this at FSM home page:
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What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income

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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Important link to v8 - The MS Excel Masterclass version!

Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

Download here >>> polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation (and here for Polarzbearz's FSM-to-Spreadsheet Conversion Tool)
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Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells have formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your needs (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif )

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Pink Spider Since nobody wanna create new thread, i opened v14 for you. v15 later you continue to be TS k. tongue.gif
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v14 already!

How is everyone's holdings?
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should be Happy (猴) Huo Year wor

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Mar 12 2016, 10:25 PM)
should be Happy (猴) Huo Year wor
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Hoping for bullish market this year... Lol
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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 12 2016, 10:30 PM)
Hoping for bullish market this year... Lol
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most of the region in green zone

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anyone facing problem login FSM via fsm app?
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post Mar 12 2016, 10:42 PM

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Any idea what funds to invest in ? Low to medium risk
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 12 2016, 10:42 PM)
Any idea what funds to invest in ? Low to medium risk
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can try to check it out at the fund selector's risk rating

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...fundSelect.svdo
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post Mar 12 2016, 11:33 PM

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Reference for myself & also Newbie blush.gif innocent.gif
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Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund

Ponzi 2.0 ---> CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

Evergreen Fund / Lee Sook Yee  wub.gif  ---> Kenanga Growth Fund

Aladdin Fund ---> Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund

Small-Cap Fund  ---> Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund

Titanic Fund  ---> CIMB-Principle Global Titan Fund

Anitamui Fund ---> Libra Asnita Bond Fund

p/s: Reason for nickname Ponzi Because of its impressive return in short term (historical)


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reporting in to new thread.
thanks for creating this new thread for the continuation of this topic

link to v13
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3805145/+2860#entry79077542

Making Sense Of Valuation Metrics [18 Mar 16]
FSM take a closer look at some of the common valuation metrics used to assess the valuation of an equity market, highlighting some their merits, as well as their drawbacks.
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...8-Mar-16--11346

Is Your Portfolio Ready For The Rest of 2016? ....... March 18, 2016
In this article, the FSM Research Team will be providing a step-by-step tutorial for investors who are keen on exploring the idea of portfolio construction. This article could also serves as a reference for investors who wish to review or tweak their portfolios’ allocations in order to be prepared for the rest of 2016.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Mar-2016--6908

wealth planner fees.
page# 5, post# 92

getting started to investment?
3 steps an investor can take when first starting to invest
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...5-Apr-16--11426

detailed simple examples abt dividend distribution....
page 47, post 922
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3892713/+920#entry80284758


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Checking in..
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 12 2016, 10:42 PM)
Any idea what funds to invest in ? Low to medium risk
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Mar 12 2016, 10:56 PM)
can try to check it out at the fund selector's risk rating

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...fundSelect.svdo
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See my siggy...
How much risk is a fund is related to how long your investment horizon is.
If your investment horizon is 20 years or longer, basically you can ignore volatility risk.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 13 2016, 07:52 PM)
See my siggy...
How much risk is a fund is related to how long your investment horizon is.
If your investment horizon is 20 years or longer, basically you can ignore volatility risk.
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How about 5 or 10 years ?
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Mar 13 2016, 07:54 PM)
How about 5 or 10 years ?
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A mix of bond and equity fund should be fine.
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Bursa will breach 700!
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Pink Spider Since nobody wanna create new thread, i opened v14 for you. v15 later you continue to be TS k. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 13 2016, 07:52 PM)
See my siggy...
How much risk is a fund is related to how long your investment horizon is.
If your investment horizon is 20 years or longer, basically you can ignore volatility risk.
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ignore?
i'd prefer to CAPITALIZE on wild "volatility risks" - buy fear.. perhaps sell extreme greed laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 14 2016, 08:55 AM)
Bursa will breach 700!
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huh? confused.gif

or u mean 1,700pts innocent.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 14 2016, 10:25 AM)
ignore?
i'd prefer to CAPITALIZE on wild "volatility risks" - buy fear.. perhaps sell extreme greed  laugh.gif
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aiyo... people are just learning Newtonian Mechanics, and you're telling him Einstein's Relativity laugh.gif
This guy, aftering reading your words, is going to hoard cash and wait for the market to crash.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 14 2016, 08:30 PM)
aiyo... people are just learning Newtonian Mechanics, and you're telling him Einstein's Relativity  laugh.gif
This guy, aftering reading your words, is going to hoard cash and wait for the market to crash.
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ok ok..
Keep buying every month or 3, VCA or DCA consistently - Newtonian Mechanics, long term diversified businesses goes up thanks to inflation + value created
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when kaka happens.. load up the warehouse - Einstein's Relativity (holy kaka! blood everywhere, relatives jumping from buildings, etc - buy buy buy) laugh.gif
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must have asset allocation through at least 2 classes - Equities AND Fixed Income + already built-up emergency funds. Use up a buch of % from Fixed Income when lelong rclxm9.gif
right or right? got emergency funds ma - can hold them lelongs looooooong time

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Amprecious metals already +20%, thinking to sell tomorrow keep in CMF.
Any suggestion?
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Anyone buy CIMB Islamic Dali Equity ?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 14 2016, 08:55 AM)
Bursa will breach 700!
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700 or 1,700
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Bank of Japan Holds Fire on Stimulus, Negative Rate Unchanged
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...s-negative-rate

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Mar 15 2016, 12:31 AM)
Amprecious metals already +20%, thinking to sell tomorrow keep  in CMF.
Any suggestion?
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thumbsup.gif 20% is very high already in my opinion
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Mar 15 2016, 01:31 AM)
Amprecious metals already +20%, thinking to sell tomorrow keep  in CMF.
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well u can sell half & take profit. balance keep.

who know can climb more later cool2.gif
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QUOTE(superb999 @ Mar 15 2016, 04:47 PM)
thumbsup.gif  20% is very high already in my opinion
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 15 2016, 05:17 PM)
well u can sell half & take profit. balance keep.

who know can climb more later  cool2.gif
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that day i sold some at 0.3704, today sold another 25k units.
cannot be greedy this time, lock in profit first.

this Am Asia Pac equity income also can swing quite alot.
that day so cheap, now up almost 10% already in 2 months.

no body can predict, ada untung sell.
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i also sell off all my RHB Gold General fund at 23% profit. I think the price will correct and drop a while before it appreciate long term again...

guys, any comment on Amtactical Bond fund, i see they hold some indonesia bond which give good yield return, any comment?
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Bank of Japan (BoJ) governor Haruhiko Kuroda said there is room to slash interest rates to around minus 0.5%, countering a growing suspicion that public criticism over January's decision to adopt negative rates will prevent him from pursuing with the policy.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...s-half-percent/
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Bank of Japan (BoJ) governor Haruhiko Kuroda said there is room to slash interest rates to around minus 0.5%, countering a growing suspicion that public criticism over January's decision to adopt negative rates will prevent him from pursuing with the policy.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...s-half-percent/
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keep money in bank need to pay money. ?
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keep money in bank need to pay money. ?
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keep money in bank need to pay money. ?
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closing 18 Mar.....
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closing 18 Mar.....
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ermart.com-6868
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oh thanks for the reminder.

totally forgot cool2.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 16 2016, 08:07 PM)
oh thanks for the reminder.

totally forgot  cool2.gif
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I also forget about this!

Didn't login for quite some time, also forgot the password.

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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 16 2016, 07:26 PM)
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closing 18 Mar.....
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ermart.com-6868
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U have any specific Funds to recommend?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 16 2016, 09:39 PM)
U have any specific Funds to recommend?
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my needs may not be suitable to your needs...
what do you want to have or increase in your stable?

I think the safest bet would be the KGF and PMB Syariah Aggressive fund.
what are you thinking is good to enter??
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my needs may not be suitable to your needs...
what do you want to have or increase in your stable?

I think the safest bet would be the KGF and PMB Syariah Aggressive fund.
what are you thinking is good to enter??
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I have shortlisted both KGF n EISCF to mitigate the risk on foreign exchange
Not very comfortable with PMB SAF as the fund size can swing either way during volatile period
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I went in kgf and titan
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I went in kgf and titan
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So early?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 16 2016, 10:08 PM)
I went in kgf and titan
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 16 2016, 11:16 PM)
So early?
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Yalo.. Busy ma these days. So just went in when got time..
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bought some Titan cool2.gif
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Just top up a bit on Titanic fund.
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anyone else top up / buy ?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 17 2016, 11:15 AM)
anyone else top up / buy ?
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no, waiting to see the effect of Fed's decision. Indon just cut rates oso, hopefully more fund inflow into malaysia. Still learning this stuff and suppress my risk appetite lol. But whoever bought gold/precious metal 1-2 days before the fed decision, should be really happy right now lol
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 16 2016, 07:26 PM)
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closing 18 Mar.....
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ermart.com-6868
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rclxms.gif drool.gif the above ending tomorrow.....
another one to start too....

EPF Bundle Promotion ......March 17, 2016
Enjoy 0.5% promotional sales charge when you and your friends (or friends only) submit 5 EPF submissions.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Promotion-6900

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annoo see you guys buy, i also buy buy buy kgf.
trying to gain back my losses on january .

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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 17 2016, 07:41 PM)
rclxms.gif  drool.gif  the above ending tomorrow.....
another one to start too....

EPF Bundle Promotion ......March 17, 2016
Enjoy 0.5% promotional sales charge when you and your friends (or friends only) submit 5 EPF submissions.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Promotion-6900

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 17 2016, 09:51 PM)
Plan to top up tmrw
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Top up apa?
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Hi all, haven't been updating my portfolio cause been busy and still busy. and also cause it was red red red...

seeing some improvement in the portfolio but far from my previous IRR 6-7%. the sad.

anyone still loving india fund?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 17 2016, 11:08 PM)
Top up apa?
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KGF n EISCF
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Hi all, haven't been updating my portfolio cause been busy and still busy. and also cause it was red red red...

seeing some improvement in the portfolio but far from my previous IRR 6-7%. the sad.

anyone still loving india fund?
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Took a look at Asia Pac funds performance... we talked a lot about Ponzi 2.0, but it seems ponzi 1.0 been doing better than its peers in the past 6 months

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So... anyone buying? cool2.gif

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Mar 18 2016, 06:51 AM)
Manulife India Fund
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nothing to like or dislike..just keep calm and invest
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Mar 17 2016, 11:42 PM)
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anyone still loving india fund?
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i am holding a bit (abt 3.6%) in RHB China India dynamic

QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 18 2016, 10:36 AM)
Took a look at Asia Pac funds performance...  we talked a lot about Ponzi 2.0, but it seems ponzi 1.0 been doing better than its peers in the past 6 months
So... anyone buying?  cool2.gif
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i am holding abt 15% in Ponzi 1.0...
and abt 11% in Ponzi 2.0

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Took a look at Asia Pac funds performance...  we talked a lot about Ponzi 2.0, but it seems ponzi 1.0 been doing better than its peers in the past 6 months

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Is Your Portfolio Ready For The Rest of 2016? ....... March 18, 2016
In this article, the FSM Research Team will be providing a step-by-step tutorial for investors who are keen on exploring the idea of portfolio construction. This article could also serves as a reference for investors who wish to review or tweak their portfolios’ allocations in order to be prepared for the rest of 2016.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Mar-2016--6908

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i am holding a bit (abt 3.6%) in RHB China India dynamic
i am holding abt 15% in Ponzi 1.0...
and abt 11% in Ponzi 2.0
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Spoke to Hong Leong and CIMB people yesterday, both believes the stock market will be positive this year. But then again, they're sell-side salespeople...

Personally, I think China will continue to weigh down on the rest of the world. I could be wrong though, anything can happen
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Spoke to Hong Leong and CIMB people yesterday, both believes the stock market will be positive this year. But then again, they're sell-side salespeople...

Personally, I think China will continue to weigh down on the rest of the world. I could be wrong though, anything can happen
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 18 2016, 10:47 PM)
Is Your Portfolio Ready For The Rest of 2016? ....... March 18, 2016
In this article, the FSM Research Team will be providing a step-by-step tutorial for investors who are keen on exploring the idea of portfolio construction. This article could also serves as a reference for investors who wish to review or tweak their portfolios’ allocations in order to be prepared for the rest of 2016.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-Mar-2016--6908
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YOu are planning to get their service?
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YOu are planning to get their service?
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FSM does not provide personal service.

btw,...that article is a guide about how to construct a portfolio......not about them providing wealth planning service biggrin.gif
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hmm.gif when and if the time comes,...I may have to take the service of a wealth planner...... thumbsup.gif
FSM does not provide personal service.

btw,...that article is a guide about how to construct a portfolio......not about them providing wealth planning service  biggrin.gif
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hmm.gif when and if the time comes,...I may have to take the service of a wealth planner...... thumbsup.gif
FSM does not provide personal service.

btw,...that article is a guide about how to construct a portfolio......not about them providing wealth planning service  biggrin.gif
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how much do wealth planners charge?
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how much do wealth planners charge?
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 20 2016, 11:38 AM)
Free right...usually banks private bankings will probide for free
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Ok, maybe private banking for those HNWI with AUM >usd1m is different. But my experience with those relationship managers for premier banking is not great. Generally they r greener than me with investments and are just promoting whatever the bank ask them to promote

Wealth planner I believe is referring to those certified financial planners who charges a fee for reviewing your current state, retirement n other goals and help you plan how to get from A to B. So it's very different from the product pushers in banks. They should help you to look at your asset allocation, how to protect your wealth and so on
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 20 2016, 10:18 AM)
hmm.gif when and if the time comes,...I may have to take the service of a wealth planner...... :thumbsup:
FSM does not provide personal service.

btw,...that article is a guide about how to construct a portfolio......not about them providing wealth planning service  biggrin.gif
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Boss, what's the trigger point? At which point do you think you need to engage a wealth planner?
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Free right...usually banks private bankings will probide for free
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Private banking usually provides this service, but
1. recommendations may be biased,
2. choices of funds are limited.

You can avoid these issues by using an independent planner, but it may cost more.
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 20 2016, 11:51 AM)
Ok, maybe private banking for those HNWI with AUM >usd1m is different. But my experience with those relationship managers for premier banking is not great. Generally they r greener than me with investments and are just promoting whatever the bank ask them to promote

Wealth planner I believe is referring to those certified financial planners who charges a fee for reviewing your current state, retirement n other goals and help you plan how to get from A to B. So it's very different from the product pushers in banks. They should help you to look at your asset allocation, how to protect your wealth and so on
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U r right , they are more than eager to promote their in house funds, be it Maybank or HSBC. End of the day u drink you free coffee and say i will think about it
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Mar 20 2016, 03:55 AM)
Private banking usually provides this service, but
1. recommendations may be biased,
2. choices of funds are limited.

You can avoid these issues by using an independent planner, but it may cost more.
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Thanks for the reply. Right now I'm working in an investment firm, if I retire early I plan to become an independent wealth planner tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 20 2016, 11:52 AM)
Boss, what's the trigger point? At which point do you think you need to engage a wealth planner?
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hmm.gif my current thinking, my current rules are IF, WHEN I am fed up with this set IRR target and the chasing of this "illusional IRR" with my current mindset.
by then, I may just call quit and can in the cavalry to help.
by then,....I am already like a dog with its head down and tail wagging between the legs..... sad.gif
current mindset is "I still don't believes I am so unlucky with my choice of funds"
but looking at current status....the time may not be too far off...... bangwall.gif
hmm.gif well, who know how it will go.......just let it flow for the time being and just try to gather as much understanding and experience about what to do and should be done at time of volatility.
it is easy for one to say "heart must be steady",...but have one really gone thru it, without altering the rhythm of the heart while in it?

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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Mar 20 2016, 11:27 AM)
how much do wealth planners charge?
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read from some postings many months back....
I may be wrong in this....
looks like they will charge between "Free to 2%" for initial investment amount
then annually between "0.5% to 1%" of total value under mgmt.
the more money with them...the less % they will charge.
not known what is the min amount they will take...

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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 20 2016, 04:53 AM)
read from some postings many months back....
I may be wrong in this....
looks like they will charge between "Free to 2%" for initial investment amount
then annually between "0.5% to 1%" of total value under mgmt.
the more money with them...the less % they will charge.
not known what is the min amount they will take...
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wealth planners manage money for client? i thought wealth planners give advice only.. confused.gif
so is wealth planner the same as fund manager?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 20 2016, 12:27 PM)
hmm.gif my current thinking, my current rules are IF, WHEN I am fed up with this set IRR target and the chasing of this "illusional IRR" with my current mindset.
by then, I may just call quit and can in the cavalry to help.
by then,....I am already like a dog with its head down and tail wagging between the legs..... sad.gif
current mindset is "I still don't believes I am so unlucky with my choice of funds"
but looking at current status....the time may not be too far off...... bangwall.gif 
hmm.gif well, who know how it will go.......just let it flow for the time being and just try to gather as much understanding and experience about what to do and should be done at time of volatility.
it is easy for one to say "heart must be steady",...but have one really gone thru it, without altering the rhythm of the heart while in it?
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When you talk about heart must be steady, I can only think of boss vanguard 2015 it's what he said that pulled me through the last 3 months.

Well, my 0.2cents
I was the biggest advocate for FSM, been telling all my friends to go for it since its peng Leng cheng; I don't have to deal with agents who don't really know what they r talking about.

But I realise that DIY takes a lot more work than just buying what FSM and LYN recommends, I ended up reading and monitoring the market a lot. It's a good thing, since I'm in accounting, these stuffs r no stranger to me, in a way it helps me in my work as well. But, I realise not everyone is up for that type work. My friends who bought just by following the current good returns or recommended funds don't end up in a good place. N I feel very guilty for putting them there

So now, if I have friends seeking for investment advice from me, if they r the type who wants to not do much, I'd recommend financial planner instead. Everyone has different needs. So what if you save 3-5k from sales charge n fees, you can lose a lot more to the market if you don't know what you are doing

Uncle Looi, I'm not saying you don't know what you are doing. But I can't help but to notice you associate luck to your choice of funds which really should not be the case. Perhaps a post mortem with the professionals will help?
IRR is a rolling number, with such volatile time, is your expectation still realistic?

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QUOTE(_azam13 @ Mar 20 2016, 12:56 PM)
wealth planners manage money for client? i thought wealth planners give advice only..  confused.gif
so is wealth planner the same as fund manager?
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hmm.gif kind of asking Pharmacist dispense drugs...Doctor also doing it too.
is a pharmacist a doctor?
nope...my thinking is...a wealth planner helps the clients evaluate, suggest allocation and protection of the client's assets based on the client's expectations...the final decision is still based on the client's acceptance.......yes, you are right about his roles is to advise.....but in a way, he too also manages the clients money because he advises.

but a fund mgr on the other hands.....allocates the money based on his fund's mandates and his experience and data presented to him at that time about the mkt situation and possible expectation of the mkts in the next few months to invest the clients money. he don't advise the clients. he shows what he expects about the mkts and it is up to the clients to believes and buy or not is still up to the clients.

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So now, if I have friends seeking for investment advice from me, if they r the type who wants to not do much, I'd recommend financial planner instead. Everyone has different needs. So what if you save 3-5k from sales charge n fees, you can lose a lot more to the market if you don't know what you are doing

Uncle Looi, I'm not saying you don't know what you are doing. But I can't help but to notice you associate luck to your choice of funds which really should not be the case. Perhaps a post mortem with the professionals will help?
IRR is a rolling number, with such volatile time, is your expectation still realistic?
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same here,...will advise financial planner to my friends if the value is large....if the value is small investors (value here depends on net asset worth of individual)......I will still recommend FSM so that he can learn first hand about investing.....

because of this IRR numbers, every year of non performing...the funds would have to make extra effort to performs else in the long run it is NOT worth to invest. (IRR dilutes)

timing of entry (luck) play a parts in investing......
if invested in the right funds at the right time (mkts up)...the ROI and IRR will be up. IF that continue to be up for a few years then the ROI and IRR will be high and stayed reasonably well in time of corrections.
well ,...3 years is too short to judge....but if 3 yrs with low IRR,...then it will be very hard to climb up.. mad.gif
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wealth planners manage money for client? i thought wealth planners give advice only..  confused.gif
so is wealth planner the same as fund manager?
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Let me indulge you with my analogy:

Lets take an example of a Production Pharmacist working at Pharmaniaga producing a gastric tablet from the factory floor. He produces the finished goods from a collection of raw material.

Similarly a Fund Manager works in a Unit Trust Management Company (Fund House e.g., Public Mutual) to produce a fund. He produce the fund by buying into a series of stocks from the stock exchange.

Lets take an example of a Retail Pharmacist working for Caring Pharmacy selling the gastric tablet to you. He sells that tablet after listening to your medical problem and select the best available solution from his pharmacy.

Similarly a Wealth Manager aka Licensed Financial Planner works at a Licensed Financial Planning Firm. He selects the registered financial product to match your needs after hearing your financial matters and circumstances.

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Thanks for the reply. Right now I'm working in an investment firm, if I retire early I plan to become an independent wealth planner  tongue.gif
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Make sure you have the right licensed. Independent wealth planner (actually the proper term is Licensed Financial Planner) is a regulated activity and you need to get the relevant licensed from BNM and SC.

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Let me indulge you with my analogy:

Lets take an example of a Production Pharmacist working at Pharmaniaga producing a gastric tablet from the factory floor. He produces the finished goods from a collection of raw material.

Similarly a Fund Manager works in a Unit Trust Management Company (Fund House e.g., Public Mutual) to produce a fund. He produce the fund by buying into a series of stocks from the stock exchange.

Lets take an example of a Retail Pharmacist working for Caring Pharmacy selling the gastric tablet to you. He sells that tablet after listening to your medical problem and select the best available solution from his pharmacy.

Similarly a Wealth Manager aka Licensed Financial Planner works at a Licensed Financial Planning Firm. He selects the registered financial product to match your needs after hearing your financial matters and circumstances.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 20 2016, 06:27 AM)
Make sure you have the right licensed. Independent wealth planner (actually the proper term is Licensed Financial Planner) is a regulated activity and you need to get the relevant licensed from BNM and SC.

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That, more or less is what I actually understand about wealth planners/financial advisors, its just that a previous post kinda got me confused between advisory fee and fund management fee. Thanks for the explanation!



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QUOTE(dasecret @ Mar 20 2016, 01:08 PM)
When you talk about heart must be steady, I can only think of boss vanguard 2015 it's what he said that pulled me through the last 3 months.

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Eh, I can't remember what I said. 😃 All I know is when there is a storm and there is nowhere to run, sometimes the best solution is to do nothing and to ride it out. 😅
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That, more or less is what I actually understand about wealth planners/financial advisors, its just that a previous post kinda got me confused between advisory fee and fund management fee. Thanks for the explanation!
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hmm.gif what is the confusion?
Financial planner/wealth planner will not charge advisory fees and annual AUM fees?
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Eh, I can't remember what I said. 😃 All I know is when there is a storm and there is nowhere to run, sometimes the best solution is to do nothing and to ride it out. 😅
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hmm.gif what is the confusion?
Financial planner/wealth planner will not charge advisory fees and annual AUM fees?
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I dont know, apparently some do and some dont charge advisory fees(based on what ppl say in previous posts).
It depends on what we understand about wealth planners/financial planner.

I view them as separate from fund managers. Thus, having said that, I guess it is to my understanding that a financial planner imposes advisory fee (they don't charge AUM fees as they don't take clients' money and invest for them) while a fund manager imposes AUM fee (take their money and invest for them).

Is this correct? hmm.gif
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I dont know, apparently some do and some dont charge advisory fees(based on what ppl say in previous posts).
It depends on what we understand about wealth planners/financial planner.

I view them as separate from fund managers. Thus, having said that, I guess it is to my understanding that a financial planner imposes advisory fee (they don't charge AUM fees as they don't take clients' money and invest for them) while a fund manager imposes AUM fee (take their money and invest for them).

Is this correct? hmm.gif
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hmm.gif this advisory fees is based on a % of money being monitored by the advisor? or based on flat rate?
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hmm.gif this advisory fees is based on a % of money being monitored by the advisor? or based on flat rate?
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Dunno. Thats the question I actually asked, if you read one of my previous posts (#70).

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 20 2016, 03:38 PM)
hmm.gif this advisory fees is based on a % of money being monitored by the advisor? or based on flat rate?
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Dunno. Thats the question I actually asked, if you read one of my previous posts (#70).
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Clients can be charged either sales charges, wrap/advisory or combination of the 2.

Sales charges are paid up front, and can be as high as 5.5%, depending on the fund and advisor. Switching and rebalancing will incur additional charges.

This is good for clients whos strategy is buy and hold.

Wrap/advisory fees are charged based on the AUM. This is usually 1.5% annually. Fees are calculate and charged monthly. Switching and rebalancing, even between different fund houses, are free.

This is good for clients who switch often or run complicated strategies. Also, this puts the advisor and client interest aligned, and the advisor is incentivised to continue servicing the client.

Portfolio creation is charged separately, up RM1500, depending on complexity and requirements. Clients paying this fee have the right to do their transactions elsewhere as the advice should be unbiased.

Hope this clarifies the situation.

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Clients can be charged either sales charges, wrap/advisory or combination of the 2.

Sales charges are paid up front, and can be as high as 5.5%, depending on the fund and advisor. Switching and rebalancing will incur additional charges.

This is good for clients who strategy is buy and hold.

Wrap/advisory fees are charged based on the AUM. This is usually 1.5% annually. Fees are calculate and charged monthly. Switching and rebalancing, even between different fund houses, are free.

This is good for clients who switch often or run complicated strategies. Also, this puts the advisor and client interest aligned, and the advisor is incentivised to continue servicing the client.

Portfolio creation is charged separately, up RM1500, depending on complexity and requirements. Clients paying this fee have the right do their transactions elsewhere as the advice should be unbiased.

Hope this clarifies the situation.
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Portfolio creation is charged separately, up RM1500, depending on complexity and requirements. Clients paying this fee have the right do their transactions elsewhere as the advice should be unbiased.

Hope this clarifies the situation.
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So if don't pay this fee must buy from the planner? tongue.gif
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So if don't pay this fee must buy from the planner?  tongue.gif
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If you didn't pay, the fella probably won't do it for you. laugh.gif

However, if the amount is significant, the fees can be waived/absorbed, if you buy from them.

Then it depends to your negotiation skill lor ...

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If you didn't pay, the fella probably won't do it for you.  laugh.gif

However, if the amount is significant, the fees can be waived/absorbed, if you buy from them.

Then it depends to your negotiation skill lor ...
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Nego skill is secondary to the amt of moolah you have..... bruce.gif

You invest a kucing kurap MYR 10K, you expect people to waive their rice bowl for you ar? mad.gif

You invest say MYR 1M, you can expect people to waive it lor... wub.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 21 2016, 11:48 AM)
Nego skill is secondary to the amt of moolah you have..... bruce.gif

You invest a kucing kurap MYR 10K, you expect people to waive their rice bowl for you ar?  mad.gif

You invest say MYR 1M, you can expect people to waive it lor...  wub.gif

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Long time no drop by...

How's your guys' IRR? Mine dropped to 5.21%. No transactions made for the past 2 months...busy with work and stocks and girls doh.gif

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Long time no drop by...

How's your guys' IRR? Mine dropped to 5.21%. No transactions made for the past 2 months...busy with work and stocks and girls doh.gif
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My IRR is currently 6.01%... already better than last month... sweat.gif
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Looks like the cursing works.... Aladdin fund perform better than the rest for the past 3 months brows.gif

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Long time no drop by...

How's your guys' IRR? Mine dropped to 5.21%. No transactions made for the past 2 months...busy with work and stocks and girls doh.gif
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helo guys, i still don't understand, why PNB plan to develop kl-118?
permodalan nasional berhad provide unit trust such as asm,asb and reit.
return on investment?
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Looks like the cursing works.... Aladdin fund perform better than the rest for the past 3 months  brows.gif

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So time to start cursing GTF?  vmad.gif
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Aladdin is like a Toyota Vios driving on KL streets vs the Ferrari of GTF...

Somehow the Ferrari will langgar some lamp posts along the way, let the Vios overtake...

But come to the next straight road...Vios will lag again ohmy.gif
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Aladdin is like a Toyota Vios driving on KL streets vs the Ferrari of GTF...

Somehow the Ferrari will langgar some lamp posts along the way, let the Vios overtake...

But come to the next straight road...Vios will lag again ohmy.gif
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I am gonna quote this when I try to explain risk vs. return rclxms.gif
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I am gonna quote this when I try to explain risk vs. return  rclxms.gif
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So, u nak Felali ke Vios Dugong? tongue.gif

Or...almighty Toyota Hilux...ISIS favourite truck laugh.gif
I would say, Hilux is like your favourite bond fund tongue.gif

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for the first time in recent months, MYR strengthen towards 3.98 flex.gif
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some motivational post for my "shiok" sendiri....
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since 29 Feb.....
my portfolio + 2.5% whistling.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 22 2016, 07:51 PM)
some motivational post for my "shiok" sendiri....
rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif
since 29 Feb.....
my portfolio + 2.5%  whistling.gif
but my IRR is just +0.8%  ranting.gif
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Good job !

This thread has been a little quiet lately ... sad.gif
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some motivational post for my "shiok" sendiri....
rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif
since 29 Feb.....
my portfolio + 2.5%  whistling.gif
but my IRR is just +0.8%  ranting.gif
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Hope yours is still ok. My IRR fell by 0.5% from the last time I posted due to rising MYR. Goes to show my portfolio is very foreign based 😑
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 22 2016, 07:51 PM)
some motivational post for my "shiok" sendiri....
rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif
since 29 Feb.....
my portfolio + 2.5%  whistling.gif
but my IRR is just +0.8%  ranting.gif
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mine, 29.2.16 IRR was 4% (porfolio loss 10k) ,
now IRR 7%, portfolio gain 2k.
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mine, 29.2.16 IRR was 4% (porfolio loss 10k) ,
now IRR 7%, portfolio gain 2k.
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How to have net loss position but IRR is positive? 🤔
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How to have net loss position but IRR is positive? 🤔
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This happens because of the timing of deposits and withdrawals.
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This happens because of the timing of deposits and withdrawals.
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Hmm, cannot visualize. Got worked example? 😁
Bean counters work better with numbers than theory
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I'm not sure if this is the correct explanation :

01/01/14 - unit price = RM1.00
Purchase 10 units
Cost RM10

31/12/14 - unit price = RM2.00
Purchase 10000 units
Total Units 10010 units
Cost RM20,000
Total Cost RM20,010

01/01/14 - unit price = RM1.90
Redeem 10010 units
Redemption Value 19,019

Where fund NAV has gone up, but investment value has gone down.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 22 2016, 07:51 PM)
some motivational post for my "shiok" sendiri....
rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif
since 29 Feb.....
my portfolio + 2.5%  whistling.gif
but my IRR is just +0.8%  ranting.gif
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How often u monitor IRR?
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How often u monitor IRR?
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hmm.gif I can say almost daily I view the status.

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I'm not sure if this is the correct explanation :

01/01/14 - unit price = RM1.00
Purchase 10 units
Cost RM10

31/12/14 - unit price = RM2.00
Purchase 10000 units
Total Units 10010 units
Cost RM20,000
Total Cost RM20,010

01/01/14 - unit price = RM1.90
Redeem 10010 units
Redemption Value 19,019

Where fund NAV has gone up, but investment value has gone down.
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Thanks! Interesting, never know that can happen. I thought IRR would weight average the return on each transaction and therefore if net position is a loss then IRR would always be negative

Learn something new thumbup.gif

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Saw in newspaper tat CIMB gonna change titan fund structure to a multi-class fund hmm.gif got unitholder meeting to vote on the resolution..
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They did the same thing with Ponzi 2.0 last year. This enable them to sell the fund in its banks in ASEAN region
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Saw in newspaper tat CIMB gonna change titan fund structure to a multi-class fund hmm.gif got unitholder meeting to vote on the resolution..
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the effect on us will be??
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They did the same thing with Ponzi 2.0 last year. This enable them to sell the fund in its banks in ASEAN region
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the effect on us will be??
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How to have net loss position but IRR is positive? 🤔
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The answer is in the "locked profit".
Yes, no way you can have positive IRR if total investment showed a nett loss.

My IRR was positive becos i had sold and locked in some 28k profit earlier,
more than enough to cover the 10k loss on 29.2.2016

It really puzzles me how you could be enlightened by Lukenn's example.


QUOTE(lukenn @ Mar 24 2016, 10:01 PM)
This happens because of the timing of deposits and withdrawals.
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True, but the long and short of that is:
overalll there must be a profit, otherwise IRR cannot be positive.


QUOTE(lukenn @ Mar 24 2016, 10:53 PM)
I'm not sure if this is the correct explanation :

01/01/14 - unit price = RM1.00
Purchase 10 units
Cost RM10

31/12/14 - unit price = RM2.00
Purchase 10000 units
Total Units 10010 units
Cost RM20,000
Total Cost RM20,010

01/01/14 - unit price = RM1.90
Redeem 10010 units
Redemption Value 19,019

Where fund NAV has gone up, but investment value has gone down.
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This is a poor example to explain a negative portfolio with positive IRR.

In your example the IRR CANNOT be positive, unless with locked profit ealier.
Invested amount totalled RM20010,
and current value only RM19019, IRR sure negative.




NB:
If you go to FSM "MY INVESTMENT" then "Analyse my porfolio", there u can see your exact amount of overall profit or loss.
see attachment.
And i find that figure closely mirrors Polarbearz's Portfolio Summary Profit/Loss.

If you buy and sell, buy and sell, you cannot use the current FSM holdings' profit or loss,
as it does not take into consideration ealier transactions' gain or loss.


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It really puzzles me how you could be enlightened by Lukenn's example.
True, but the long and short of that is:
overalll there must be a profit, otherwise IRR cannot be positive.
This is a poor example  to explain a negative portfolio with positive IRR.

In your example the IRR CANNOT be positive, unless with locked profit ealier.
Invested amount totalled RM20010,
and current value only RM19019,  IRR sure negative.

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You know what, when I first read his example I have the same thought as you.... but, being a nerd bean counter as I am, put in spreadsheet and calculate lor
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And this is what I got... the IRR is slightly positive, and hence my comment that it doesn't weight average returns but takes the time value of return instead
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You know what, when I first read his example I have the same thought as you.... but, being a nerd bean counter as I am, put in spreadsheet and calculate lor
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And this is what I got... the IRR is slightly positive, and hence my comment that it doesn't weight average returns but takes the time value of return instead
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There is such a thing as GIGO - garbage in, garbage out. biggrin.gif
The extreme numbers broke the function! Try changing the 'time value' from 1/1/2015 to any date, and the XIRR remains the same... laugh.gif

Here's the logic on what the numbers are saying:
$10 gains on $10 invested is ROI 100%, and since the time period is 1 year, the IRR (or CAGR) is also 100%.
$1000 lost on $20,000 is -5% ROI, and since the time period is 1 day, the CAGR is -100%.

The projected lost (in one year) is very close to 100%, since if we lose 5% a day, we will lose NEARLY all in several weeks. We can't lose more than $20,000 (or in other words, less than -100%), because the maths is not a simple 'minus' ie. 20k - 1k - 1k - 1k ... but 20k x 95% x 95% x 95%....

Even if we lost 10% a day, which is $2000, the projected lost will still be capped at -100%.

Putting the 2 investments of 'extreme' figures and dates together into the XIRR function, it resulted in a confusing/misleading IRR of 0%.

But using cow sense and being aware of GIGO, any reasonable investor would ignore the initial $10, and think and calculate solely on the $20,000...

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I am reducing my exposure to riskier assets. Generally for equity exposed UTF the returns are dropping but volatility is increasing.

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p/s: GTF, ESISC & Ponzi 2.0 still forms my portfolio.

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I am reducing my exposure to riskier assets. Generally for equity exposed UTF the returns are dropping but volatility is increasing.

Xuzen

p/s: GTF, ESISC & Ponzi 2.0 still forms my portfolio.
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hmm.gif almost similar warning words by the hwang's MD in his speech recently..
rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
hmm.gif great minds think alikes...... thumbsup.gif

...he did mentioned that the expectation of returns % have to be adjusted downwards from now on.....

the current local ringgit direction will be seen soon.....
the BNM governor replacement.......1 side is liked by mkts, the others is perceived to be political choices....
if the mkts don't like the selection...RM will be hit.

he spoke of how, when the recent mkts rally for 3 weeks....he sold some 5% to raise cash.....

this got me thinking......should we follow "sell some on few % gains, buy some on a few % drops".....(with wrap a/c can lah)
no more buy and keep long long.....the volatility is fast and short.

he expects the M'sia interest rate to come down.......and if the banks offers 4.5% pa FD......take it! thumbup.gif
btw,...I met a Affin bank PR at the dinner too...she said....AFFIN Bank only at Padang Kota Lama in Penang branch got offering 4.5% pa till end of March. fresh fund 10k min
is that a coincident?

he warned....pay a closer look on the yuan outflow till next year.....

china has a BIG reserves, but there is a confident level of min 2.x Trillion reserves value......if the rate falls....expected next year can see results....
then he jokingly said.....don't invest anywhere....as if CHINA falls....the whole mkts will too.

Buy pound now as the BRIEXIT polls is in June had dragged it down.....
he expects Britain to remains in EU and after the polls pound will rises some %.
why will stays?...b'cos it has nothing without EU.... rclxs0.gif

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 26 2016, 06:40 PM)
hmm.gif almost similar warning words by the hwang's MD in his speech recently..
rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
hmm.gif great minds think alikes...... thumbsup.gif

...he did mentioned that the expectation of returns % have to be adjusted downwards from now on.....

the current local ringgit direction will be seen soon.....
the BNM governor replacement.......1 side is liked by mkts, the others is perceived to be political choices....
if the mkts don't like the selection...RM will be hit.

he spoke of how, when the recent mkts rally for 3 weeks....he sold some 5% to raise cash.....

this got me thinking......should we follow "sell some on few % gains, buy some on a few % drops".....(with wrap a/c can lah)
no more buy and keep long long.....the volatility is fast and short.

he expects the M'sia interest rate to come down.......and if the banks offers 4.5% pa FD......take it! thumbup.gif
btw,...I met a Affin bank PR at the dinner too...she said....AFFIN Bank only at Padang Kota Lama in Penang branch got offering 4.5% pa till end of March. fresh fund 10k min
is that a coincident?

he warned....pay a closer look on the yuan outflow till next year.....

china has a BIG reserves, but there is a confident level of min 2.x Trillion reserves value......if the rate falls....expected next year can see results....
then he jokingly said.....don't invest anywhere....as if CHINA falls....the whole mkts will too.

Buy pound now as the BRIEXIT polls is in June had dragged it down.....
he expects Britain to remains in EU and after the polls pound will rises some %.
why will stays?...b'cos it has nothing without EU....  rclxs0.gif
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Doing any adjustment on your portfolio?


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Doing any adjustment on your portfolio?
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Not yet. I am not on wrap s/c.
Will see how some of the funds moves in July. Then decide.
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Not yet. I am not on wrap s/c.
Will see how some of the funds moves in July. Then decide.
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I think good decision.. Review every 6 months or so.. There will always be many news that will effect decisions. Just ignore them..

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I think good decision..  Review every 6 months or so..  There will always be many news that will effect decisions. Just ignore them..
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I review every qtr
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So your coming review will be these few days lor... How is your portfolio performing this Q1?
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So your coming review will be these few days lor... How is your portfolio performing this Q1?
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IRR drop to 1.60% @ last Fri
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IRR drop to 1.60% @ last Fri
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Mine is still around 4% level... did not update since last Thursday as market was down... tongue.gif
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Guys, I am really really new to this FSM.
Currently wish to try on something new.
I only having 1000 Myr to invest in this fsm... I know its really little but I think its time to step into this.. So, i take a look on the recommended funds by fsm. Why is it most of the YTD give negative value?

What is the recommend fund for newbie like me? What i see is east sring small cap and kenaga and some money market seems suitable foe me....

And how do you guys actually buy? Can it be done via m2u? If cdm i see they want us to scan the form and deposit slip to them...

So sorry if some question is repeated..
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Guys, I am really really new to this FSM.
Currently wish to try on something new.
I only having 1000 Myr to invest in this fsm... I know its really little but I think its time to step into this.. So, i take a look on the recommended funds by fsm. Why is it most of the YTD give negative value?

What is the recommend fund for newbie like me? What i see is east sring small cap and kenaga and some money market seems suitable foe me....

And how do you guys actually buy? Can it be done via m2u? If cdm i see they want us to scan the form and deposit slip to them...

So sorry if some question is repeated..
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Historical returns don't really mean much.

E.g. a fund launched at the peak of a bubble, fell 30%. But the market overall fell 40%. So, u cannot say that this fund is "bad". In fact, you should say this this fund is GOOD, because it managed to protect it's capital than the market at large.

Compare against benchmark
Compare against peers
See the potential of the market(s) in which the fund invests in

YTD is bad for most if not all funds.

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Historical returns don't really mean much.

E.g. a fund launched at the peak of a bubble, fell 30%. But the market overall fell 40%. So, u cannot say that this fund is "bad". In fact, you should say this this fund is GOOD, because it managed to protect it's capital than the market at large.

Compare against benchmark
Compare against peers
See the potential of the market(s) in which the fund invests in

YTD is bad for most if not all funds.
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Oh I see. Is YTD = total return?
And when compared to benchmark, the small cap outperf... Meaning is a good fund?
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 28 2016, 10:46 AM)
Guys, I am really really new to this FSM.
Currently wish to try on something new.
I only having 1000 Myr to invest in this fsm... I know its really little but I think its time to step into this.. So, i take a look on the recommended funds by fsm. Why is it most of the YTD give negative value?

What is the recommend fund for newbie like me? What i see is east sring small cap and kenaga and some money market seems suitable foe me....

And how do you guys actually buy? Can it be done via m2u? If cdm i see they want us to scan the form and deposit slip to them...

So sorry if some question is repeated..
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the payment method FAQ can be seen here

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...nt-Methods-2409

you can use fpx to pay (you will be redirected to maybank2u page login)
or you can login to maybank2u and transfer direct to their mbb account

Maybank Account Name : IFAST CAPITAL SDN BHD – CLIENT TRUST ACCOUNT
Account Number : 5140 1100 3668

you can put in the contract no. or fsm account number in the transaction description . if you want to be sure, email them after you transfer

using mbb transfer is faster than transfer to their stanchart account

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Oh I see. Is YTD = total return?
And when compared to benchmark, the small cap outperf... Meaning is a good fund?
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YTD = Year-To-Date

Don't look at short term

And sometimes, some funds will underperform, sometimes will outperform. Look long-term.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 28 2016, 10:46 AM)
Guys, I am really really new to this FSM.
Currently wish to try on something new.
I only having 1000 Myr to invest in this fsm... I know its really little but I think its time to step into this.. So, i take a look on the recommended funds by fsm. Why is it most of the YTD give negative value?

What is the recommend fund for newbie like me? What i see is east sring small cap and kenaga and some money market seems suitable foe me....

And how do you guys actually buy? Can it be done via m2u? If cdm i see they want us to scan the form and deposit slip to them...

So sorry if some question is repeated..
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1) Today is only March therefore YTD = 3 mths only. Too darn short a period to assess any UTF.

2) UTF is medium term meaning 3 to 5 years time horizon. Look at 3 or 5 years annualized data to make better informed decision.

3) Personally I use 3 years annualized data to make my investment decision.

4) I use FPX to buy UTF. Very easy and convenient.

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QUOTE(repusez @ Mar 28 2016, 12:33 PM)
the payment method FAQ can be seen here

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...nt-Methods-2409

you can use fpx to pay (you will be redirected to maybank2u page login)
or you can login to maybank2u and transfer direct to their mbb account

Maybank Account Name : IFAST CAPITAL SDN BHD – CLIENT TRUST ACCOUNT
Account Number : 5140 1100 3668

you can put in the contract no. or fsm account number in the transaction description . if you want to be sure, email them after you transfer

using mbb transfer is faster than transfer to their stanchart account
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Thanks for the reply!!
However, I am not so understand the bolded part. At first I thought it is a must to email them with the form + deposit slip? To notify them?

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 28 2016, 01:30 PM)
YTD = Year-To-Date

Don't look at short term

And sometimes, some funds will underperform, sometimes will outperform. Look long-term.
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Thanks for the reply!!!

Thus, so far the recommended fund is perf ok ~ good ?

QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 28 2016, 03:27 PM)
1) Today is only March therefore YTD = 3 mths only. Too darn short a period to assess any UTF.

2) UTF is medium term meaning 3 to 5 years time horizon. Look at 3 or 5 years annualized data to make better informed decision.

3) Personally I use 3 years annualized data to make my investment decision.

4) I use FPX to buy UTF. Very easy and convenient.

Xuzen
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Thanks for the reply!!
As what I see from the 1st page:
Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund

Ponzi 2.0 ---> CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund

Evergreen Fund / Lee Sook Yee wub.gif ---> Kenanga Growth Fund

Aladdin Fund ---> Aberdeen Islamic World Equity Fund

Small-Cap Fund ---> Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund

Titanic Fund ---> CIMB-Principle Global Titan Fund

Anitamui Fund ---> Libra Asnita Bond Fund

The 2 bolded bonds I notice their performance is above the benchmark... But the risk is quite high tho

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 28 2016, 08:26 PM)
Thanks for the reply!!
However, I am not so understand the bolded part. At first I thought it is a must to email them with the form + deposit slip? To notify them?
Thanks for the reply!!!
Sorry, the transaction description in maybank2u is called "recipient reference" & "payment details"

for simplicity sake, just use FPX transfer and the transfer amount is auto key in for you.

or you can email the transfer receipt together with the the transaction email to fsm.

the two funds that you bolded are equity fund and not bond fund so their volatility is high and so is risk:

Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund - Asia pacific small cap fund
Small-Cap Fund ---> Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund - msia small cap fund





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QUOTE(repusez @ Mar 28 2016, 08:37 PM)
Sorry, the transaction description in maybank2u is called "recipient reference"  & "payment details"

for simplicity sake, just use FPX transfer and the transfer amount is auto key in for you.

or you can email the transfer receipt together with the the transaction email to fsm.

the two funds that you bolded are equity fund and not bond fund so their volatility is high and so is risk:

Ponzi 1.0 ---> Affin Hwang Select Asia (Ex Japan) Quantum Fund - Asia pacific small cap fund
Small-Cap Fund ---> Eastspring Investment Small-Cap Fund - msia small cap fund
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Owh ok thanks!! So, FPX act like this ----> Click what you want to buy, lead you to a pop up secure page which is the m2u login, the amount or whatsoever is filled up, just proceed for the transection. Is this correct?

I am sorry to ask this type of simple question because previously my sister had a really bad experience with FPX transection and both of us went to police station in the middle of the night and called the bank numerous time just because of the fraud case, its a red bank actually. So, yea... I kind of phobia with FPX transection....

Btw, thanks for the reply!!!

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yup for fpx, after the login page, you are allow to choose which bank account you want to use to pay, eg if you have multiple savings account or current account. the recipient details and amount is already key in and cannot be change in the page.

but if you fail fpx, you can to revert to pay using normal transfer. currently FSM still don't charge anything for the fpx yet.

normally what most of the ppl do is they park their money into RHB Cash Management Fund 2 , it's sort of like savings account, and from there they use it to top up or buy other funds. when you already have money in the RHB Cash Management Fund 2, there's option to pay using RHB Cash Management Fund 2 in FSM.

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QUOTE(repusez @ Mar 29 2016, 08:23 AM)
yup for fpx, after the login page, you are allow to choose which bank account you want to use to pay, eg if you have multiple savings account or current account. the recipient details and amount is already key in and cannot be change in the page.

but if you fail fpx, you can to revert to pay using normal transfer. currently FSM still don't charge anything for the fpx yet.

normally what most of the ppl do is they park their money into RHB Cash Management Fund 2 , it's sort of like savings account, and from there they use it to top up or buy other funds. when you already have money in the RHB Cash Management Fund 2, there's option to pay using RHB Cash Management Fund 2 in FSM.

here are some screenshot for fpx transaction
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after you pay via fpx, this is the confirmation page from FSM
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Wow!!! This made it really really clear compared to reading the faq in fsm!!! Thanks a lot!
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I'm just about to start investing. I know about bond/equity, but how do you guys decide on which fund to choose? Any pointers?

And also, I'm working in Singapore. Is there anything I can make use of for that fact? eg: opening fsm account in singapore/malaysia. Thank you for all the sifus here first notworthy.gif
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I just found out about FSM from this thread tongue.gif
I'm just about to start investing. I know about bond/equity, but how do you guys decide on which fund to choose? Any pointers?

And also, I'm working in Singapore. Is there anything I can make use of for that fact? eg: opening fsm account in singapore/malaysia. Thank you for all the sifus here first  notworthy.gif
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For FSM Malaysia:
- refer to post #12 for some of the popular funds (except Anita Mui fund)
- diversify across asset classes (bond & equity) and regions (e.g. Malaysia, Asia Pac, developed markets)
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now only I realize, with only 1000 myr in hand only able to buy 1 fund. lol. T.T
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now only I realize, with only 1000 myr in hand only able to buy 1 fund. lol. T.T
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Is it regarding as per posr# 120,  page# 6?
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Whoa, what the hell, Libra Anista just fell 4.5% in a single day... I'm quite heavy in this due to its low volatility. What happened?
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I am not too clear about the term multi-class in this context. What will be the impact to unit holders?

Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks.
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Whoa, what the hell, Libra Anista just fell 4.5% in a single day... I'm quite heavy in this due to its low volatility. What happened?
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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Mar 30 2016, 10:56 AM)
Someone defaulted? hmm.gif
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...nouncement.svdo
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I am not too clear about the term multi-class in this context. What will be the impact to unit holders?

Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks.
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It means that you can invest in the fund using different currencies (USD class, SGD class, GBP class etc), however the underlying investment strategy would be the same.

To unit holder there will be little or no impact as opening up another class it not very different from starting a new fund. Depending on the exact structure, there might be some small advantages here and there since the fund will be bigger and also holding multi currency.

There are some fund houses that hedge FX, but I don't think CIMB does. So in that event non RM classes will behave differently ie. have FX gains/losses.
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Someone defaulted? hmm.gif
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Do not simply use the word "defaulted" and "bond" in the same sentence. Very sensitive and scary one. It is like going to the doctor and hearing the "C" word!

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Ah thanks, didn't know that. Usually when there is a distribution there would be an indicator next to the fund name in the holdings summary page right? I didn't see any indicator there.
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Guys, want to ask... When you all register with fsm, do they require you to sign the form and sent IC photocopy to them via email? LOL duno why I sudden feel so insecure haha
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Guys, want to ask... When you all register with fsm, do they require you to sign the form and sent IC photocopy to them via email? LOL duno why I sudden feel so insecure haha
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Guys, want to ask... When you all register with fsm, do they require you to sign the form and sent IC photocopy to them via email? LOL duno why I sudden feel so insecure haha
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Guys, want to ask... When you all register with fsm, do they require you to sign the form and sent IC photocopy to them via email? LOL duno why I sudden feel so insecure haha
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 31 2016, 07:08 PM)
Guys, want to ask... When you all register with fsm, do they require you to sign the form and sent IC photocopy to them via email? LOL duno why I sudden feel so insecure haha
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They do need to verify that you are a real person.

Btw, you can always cross your ic before sending it to 3rd party, if you haven't been doing it
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They do need to verify that you are a real person.

Btw, you can always cross your ic before sending it to 3rd party, if you haven't been doing it
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Yup. I crossed double line and write fsm member application. That's is what I did for any application. Normally how long to got back to me?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 31 2016, 09:56 PM)
1 Mar 2016 13:00 UTC - 31 Mar 2016 13:53 UTC
USD/MYR close: 3.86774 low: 3.86459 high: 4.17934
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One of the factor for the very high rise of GTF in the whole of 2015 is the MYR/USD weakness play, now that the reverse has come true, it is only natural GTF will drop in tandem.

I have been reducing my exposure to it since post CNY.

I maintain my bolehland exposure i.e., no change in % for the time being with a potential to increase when more data are obtained.

Xuzen

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Yup. I crossed double line and write fsm member application. That's is what I did for any application. Normally how long to got back to me?
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Within 1 or 2 business day, one of the staff will call you to verify
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 31 2016, 11:45 PM)
One of the factor for the very high rise of GTF in the whole of 2015 is the MYR/USD weakness play, now that the reverse has come true, it is only natural GTF will drop in tandem.

I have been reducing my exposure to it since post CNY.

I maintain my bolehland exposure i.e., no change in % for the time being with a potential to increase when more data are obtained.

Xuzen
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Is it a good time now to enter into bolehland funds, like KGF?
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Within 1 or 2 business day, one of the staff will call you to verify
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Yes just a simple questionnaire.
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Is there an ideal number of funds that one should buy (and thereafter keep topping up within that certain number) or it doesnt matter the number of different funds provided the region/sector are all diversified? What is considered too many funds generally.

For example - if for malaysian small cap equities - there are several funds under different fund houses.. is it ideal to just focus on the one that performs best or its fine to have few funds which are all more or less same.

thanks for your views.
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Is there an ideal number of funds that one should buy (and thereafter keep topping up within that certain number) or it doesnt matter the number of different funds provided the region/sector are all diversified? What is considered too many funds generally.

For example - if for malaysian small cap equities - there are several funds under different fund houses.. is it ideal to just focus on the one that performs best or its fine to have few funds which are all more or less same.

thanks for your views.
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hmm.gif not sure about other investors.....
but I just like to have "extras" if possible, just in case the preferred one does not perform better or maintained its performance for that year....
fyi,...I had about 3 m'sia small caps now.....
there is no right or wrong, I think...
it is just up to one individual to do what he likes...end of the day...it is his money.
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hmm.gif not sure about other investors.....
but I just like to have "extras" if possible, just in case the preferred one does not perform better or maintained its performance for that year....
fyi,...I had about 3 m'sia small caps now.....
there is no right or wrong, I think...
it is just up to one individual to do what he likes...end of the day...it is his money.
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Is there an ideal number of funds that one should buy (and thereafter keep topping up within that certain number) or it doesnt matter the number of different funds provided the region/sector are all diversified? What is considered too many funds generally.

For example - if for malaysian small cap equities - there are several funds under different fund houses.. is it ideal to just focus on the one that performs best or its fine to have few funds which are all more or less same.

thanks for your views.
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Hmm... you can do a hindsight analysis... what if you choose 1 fund per sector... or 3 funds per sector... which would be better in past 3, 5 years? Then maybe we can discuss this.

Anyway, analysis aside, I only chose 1 fund per geographical sector. Except for asia pacific, I added eastspring, which in hindsight, abit unnecessary... never top up once. Minimum investment...

I have about 5 eq funds, 1 bond fund. Kinda ok with my portfolio... not complaining except for Aberdeen...

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Can I buy exactly the same products --- here in Malaysia using your platform rather than sg ?
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Can I buy exactly the same products --- here in Malaysia using your platform rather than sg ?
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Mosf probably are equivalent, unless those funds are feder funds. Check the fsm sites of this 2 countries and compare the funds offered?
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Is there an ideal number of funds that one should buy (and thereafter keep topping up within that certain number) or it doesnt matter the number of different funds provided the region/sector are all diversified? What is considered too many funds generally.

For example - if for malaysian small cap equities - there are several funds under different fund houses.. is it ideal to just focus on the one that performs best or its fine to have few funds which are all more or less same.

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Ideally one fund (the best risk adjusted performance fund) per geographical region. It is of no use to overlap the same exposure. The role of a portfolio construction is to spread the risk.

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Is it a good time now to enter into bolehland funds, like KGF?
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I used to buy from Fundsuper---Singapore .

Can I buy exactly the same products --- here in Malaysia using your platform rather than sg ?
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some funds sold in FSM SG don't have in FSM M'sia.


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!! cimbasiapac dropping. what happening?
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 2 2016, 02:42 PM)
Yes.

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Most fund house have a consensus that the KLSE have hit the bottom and the 1MDB issue is more or less resolved. NB: Investors are simple minded people; as long as 1MDB can make and seen to be able to honour future coupon / interest / dividend payments, they are OK, they don't give a sh1t about your internal politics.
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KGF year end target for KLCI as per their Q1 forecast is 1725 which is exactly what it is today. So I guess moving forward there won't be much help from the index itself but KGF to go up or down based on their own stock picking only.
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!! cimbasiapac dropping. what happening?
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should be because of the strengthening RM
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two sides to every event lol...i guess many hnwi malaysians are actually heavily invested overseas....recent ringgit bull run must have hurt.
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It hasn't go back to its previous level at 3.20 or below 3.00 (or 2.80)

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Hi all...Im very new to this unit trust and im curious on how does one determine the income distribution dates? Some funds, the distribution dates looks random but some seem to be like clockwork...

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I think it has to depends on when that individual funds do the financial closing of that fund.
The past historical distribution dates maybe found on the fund factsheet or on the annual report.
Btw, those that invest in unit trusts don't bother with dividend distribution. ....why?.....see post# 1.

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lai lai any fund recommend..
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Oh, how the giant (Titan) falls. Dang!
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In 2014, M'sia funds esp KGF was the darling.... then China funds became the de'rigeur in Q2 to Q3 in 2015, then it tumbled. Thereafter GTF become the new darling as USD/MYR forex was in USD's favour.

Now that the reverse of USD/MYR forex has occurred, GTF is no longer the darling, and M'sia exposed UTF become the de'rigeur once again esp KGF. A full cycle has come.

The world market is very fickle minded, that is the truth and nothing can change that fact.

That is why, it is useless to time the market or chase after it. It is very energy zapping. Just hold a diversified portfolio where the calculated rewards >> the risk and over time, you should be fine.

The term reward refers to Yield or ROI and Risk refers to Standard Deviation.

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lai lai any fund recommend..
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KGF outperform ASX FP everytime. Might want to look at that.

If me, just stick with the 5 recommended ones
KGF
Eastspring smallcap
Titans
Ponzi 2.0
Rhb Asian total return
Amprecious (optional if you want very fast returns - high volatility)

You are holding for 3-5 years. If me, if it drop, just topup more. If it increase, you have 2 choice. Take profit, or just leave it and topup less.

Don't overspread or else returns could be diluted. You dont need a bond as a bond is to stabilise a portfolio by giving fix returns as you have ASX FP. Some might not agree but this will be the way I go.

If is me, I will just go for the 5 funds I listed with the weightage (includes topping up) as follow
KGF 25%
Eastspring 25%
Rhb 25%
Ponzi 2.0 12.5%
Titans12.5%

Right now is a good time to buy Titans (USD fall)

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 5 2016, 02:16 PM)
In 2014, M'sia funds esp KGF was the darling.... then China funds became the de'rigeur in Q2 to Q3 in 2015, then it tumbled. Thereafter GTF become the new darling as USD/MYR forex was in USD's favour.

Now that the reverse of USD/MYR forex has occurred, GTF is no longer the darling, and M'sia exposed UTF become the de'rigeur once again esp KGF. A full cycle has come.

The world market is very fickle minded, that is the truth and nothing can change that fact.

That is why, it is useless to time the market or chase after it. It is very energy zapping. Just hold a diversified portfolio where the calculated rewards >> the risk and over time, you should be fine.

The term reward refers to Yield or ROI and Risk refers to Standard Deviation.

Xuzen
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But one can predict right? Say USD fall. Titans sure fall. So topup more in Titans.
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Affin Hwang Select SGD Income Fund? FSM recommended fund of the month?

Pftt. I have this fund in my portfolio. Utter rubbish fund. I can't wait to get rid of it. Benchmark is 12 months FD? I should have put in the Maybank E-deposit now currently offering about 4.31% for 12 months.

P/S: It doesn't matter whether you are a gold account or platinum account holder. The usual sales fee of 2% will apply even for RSP.


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2016, 02:23 PM)
KGF outperform ASX FP everytime. Might want to look at that.

If me, just stick with the 5 recommended ones
KGF
Eastspring smallcap
Titans
Ponzi 2.0
Rhb Asian total return
Amprecious (optional if you want very fast returns - high volatility)

You are holding for 3-5 years.  If me, if it drop, just topup more. If it increase, you have 2 choice. Take profit, or just leave it and topup less.

Don't overspread or else returns could be diluted. You dont need a bond as a bond is to stabilise a portfolio by giving fix returns as you have ASX FP. Some might not agree but this will be the way I go.

If is me, I will just go for the 5 funds I listed with the weightage (includes topping up) as follow
KGF 25%
Eastspring 25%
Rhb 25%
Ponzi 2.0 12.5%
Titans12.5%

Right now is a good time to buy Titans (USD fall)
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I don't have that much money to start of la lol. Only having 1000 myr. haha.


I did compare eastspring sc vs kgf. Surprisingly esc > kgf.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2016, 02:23 PM)
KGF outperform ASX FP everytime. Might want to look at that.

If me, just stick with the 5 recommended ones
KGF
Eastspring smallcap
Titans
Ponzi 2.0
Rhb Asian total return
Amprecious (optional if you want very fast returns - high volatility)

You are holding for 3-5 years.  If me, if it drop, just topup more. If it increase, you have 2 choice. Take profit, or just leave it and topup less.

Don't overspread or else returns could be diluted. You dont need a bond as a bond is to stabilise a portfolio by giving fix returns as you have ASX FP. Some might not agree but this will be the way I go.

If is me, I will just go for the 5 funds I listed with the weightage (includes topping up) as follow
KGF 25%
Eastspring 25%
Rhb 25%
Ponzi 2.0 12.5%
Titans12.5%

Right now is a good time to buy Titans (USD fall)
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Do more research on each fund and check what kind of funds they are. You're contradicting yourself

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2016, 02:26 PM)
But one can predict right? Say USD fall. Titans sure fall. So topup more in Titans.
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You mean predicting when is USD going to drop to the lowest?
QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 5 2016, 03:34 PM)

I don't have that much money to start of la lol. Only having 1000 myr. haha.
I did compare eastspring sc vs kgf. Surprisingly esc > kgf.
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I've replied to you before on how to start investing in more than 1 fund with rm1000. With rm1k, you can definitely invest in all 5 funds that Tun posted.


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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 5 2016, 03:16 PM)
Affin Hwang Select SGD Income Fund?  FSM recommended fund of the month?

Pftt. I have this fund in my portfolio. Utter rubbish fund. I can't wait to get rid of it. Benchmark is 12 months FD? I should have put in the Maybank E-deposit now currently offering about 4.31% for 12 months.

P/S: It doesn't matter whether you are a gold account or platinum account holder. The usual sales fee of 2% will apply even for RSP.
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U have been holding for how long?
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Do more research on each fund and check what kind of funds they are.  You're contradicting yourself
You mean predicting when is USD going to drop to the lowest?
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I have checked. Generally for few years KGF outperform ASX FP. What I meant is how much I am willing to put into which funds. Crazy to dump 100% into say KGF.

No. Not that. As soon as USD drops, Titans will fall. So when it fall, just buy. That's what I meant. No need to wait for lowest. If it drop some more buy. If is high, don't buy. (since it is directly related to USD)

Can that work? hmm.gif

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U have been holding for how long?
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Less than one year. But it is a balanced fund. More than 68% in bond. Supposed to be steadier, no?

So if it is making losses consistently for more than 6 months, I consider it as a FAILED Singapore investment in my portfolio.


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2016, 02:23 PM)
KGF outperform ASX FP everytime. Might want to look at that.

If me, just stick with the 5 recommended ones
KGF
Eastspring smallcap
Titans
Ponzi 2.0
Rhb Asian total return
Amprecious (optional if you want very fast returns - high volatility)

You are holding for 3-5 years.  If me, if it drop, just topup more. If it increase, you have 2 choice. Take profit, or just leave it and topup less.

Don't overspread or else returns could be diluted. You dont need a bond as a bond is to stabilise a portfolio by giving fix returns as you have ASX FP. Some might not agree but this will be the way I go.

If is me, I will just go for the 5 funds I listed with the weightage (includes topping up) as follow
KGF 25%
Eastspring 25%
Rhb 25%
Ponzi 2.0 12.5%
Titans12.5%

Right now is a good time to buy Titans (USD fall)
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RHB ATR has not been doing well since the start of the year wor
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...n-Fund-MYRHBATR

YTD -7% for a bond fund.... sure ka? and volatility of 8.59

Don't get me wrong, I have that fund also. Just that I would not recommend it to be the only bond fund in the portfolio

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 5 2016, 04:02 PM)
Less than one year. But it is a balanced fund. More than 68% in bond. Supposed to be steadier, no?

So if it is making losses consistently for more than 6 months, I consider it as a FAILED Singapore investment in my portfolio.
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Do more research on each fund and check what kind of funds they are.  You're contradicting yourself
You mean predicting when is USD going to drop to the lowest?
I've replied to you before on how to start investing in more than 1 fund with rm1000. With rm1k, you can definitely invest in all 5 funds that Tun posted.
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But that one need every month buy de...
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2016, 03:58 PM)
I have checked. Generally for few years KGF outperform ASX FP. What I meant is how much I am willing to put into which funds. Crazy to dump 100% into say KGF.

No. Not that. As soon as USD drops, Titans will fall. So when it fall, just buy. That's what I meant. No need to wait for lowest. If it drop some more buy. If is high, don't buy. (since it is directly related to USD)

Can that work? hmm.gif
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You say you're not going for bond funds. So I suggest to check if those 5 funds are all not bond funds.

Sure, you can keep buying when Titans' price is dropping. But what would be your trigger to click the buy button? If it keeps dropping, do you have enough bullets? icon_idea.gif But then again, reading back your previous post, it sounded that you're making predictions on when the price is going to be cheap. laugh.gif

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RHB ATR has not been doing well since the start of the year wor
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...n-Fund-MYRHBATR

YTD -7% for a bond fund.... sure ka? and volatility of 8.59

Don't get me wrong, I have that fund also. Just that I would not recommend it to be the only bond fund in the portfolio
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I am thinking holding for minimum 3 years. Everything sure got up and down. If panic and sell before 3 years (I use 3 years benchmark), or didn't perform, better dispose of the fund.
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It doesn't say you can't terminate the contract after the first purchase right? icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 5 2016, 06:00 AM)
I think it has to depends on when that individual funds do the financial closing of that fund.
The past historical distribution dates maybe found on the fund factsheet or on the annual report.
Btw, those that invest in unit trusts don't bother with dividend distribution. ....why?.....see post# 1.
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Currency is d main culprit
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Yes, I think you could be right. Sorry I am just ranting here. Male menopause.
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It doesn't say you can't terminate the contract after the first purchase right? icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2016, 04:28 PM)
No need. You can buy once and topup when you have money. Don't want to topup also can.
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and start off with just 100 instead of 1000...... icon_idea.gif
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Yes, I think you could be right. Sorry I am just ranting here. Male menopause.
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I was about to say how come mr steady suddenly macam not so steady.
Anyway, the difference between monthly recommended funds and recommended fund list updated annually is - they look at the timing. Usually when FSM thinks there's upside in the near future they would put it in monthly recommended fund. That's my limited observation la
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I was about to say how come mr steady suddenly macam not so steady.
Anyway, the difference between monthly recommended funds and recommended fund list updated annually is - they look at the timing. Usually when FSM thinks there's upside in the near future they would put it in monthly recommended fund. That's my limited observation la
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hmm.gif from your "limited" observation......
how many % of those monthly recommendations are right in lets say....3 months later? and how many min % will the ROI by made in this 3 months.....?
hmm.gif need to see if the 2%SC is worth the hit and run... biggrin.gif

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hmm.gif from your "limited" observation......
how many % of those monthly recommendations are right in lets say....3 months later? and how many min % will the ROI by made in this 3 months.....?
hmm.gif need to see if the 2%SC is worth the hit and run... biggrin.gif
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I think FSM came out with an article on how did their monthly recommended funds do after their recommendations.
But really, is UT an appropriate vehicle to do speculations like this? Since chief vanguard say the fund no good, I won't consider buying lor

Edit: Found the link
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-the-road--6260

So I can officially declare... not I say one, FSM claims one blush.gif

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My portfolio (if you can even call it a portfolio) is ~98% KGF, if minus KGF PRS then its ~99%. Have a few more here and there for fun and instead of tracking air I have something more solid to track. So far my IRR = 7%. It is a very long term investment for me. Barring any super emergency is will be for 20 years.

The others that I have:
EastSpring = 8%
GTF = -31%
Ponzi 2 = -91%
RHB Big Cap China = -10%
RHB Smart Treasure = -29%
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No matter how it is viewed, any recommendation, portfolio model and/or recommended fund is for sake of marketing. Nothing more, nothing less. So take the recommendation with a pinch of salt. If it suits you, buy. If not, just ignore.

Never take for granted it, the recommended fund, is the best or better fund with the best or better returns in the projected short/long term. Do remember it is all marketing stuff.

Another thing I'm septic is forecasts on a specific country or region and how well they will be doing in future - hence the portfolio need to diversify 'geographically'.

But had you ever wonder how will it relate to the UT fund while the gloss is solely on the country?

Or is it simply that the fund's name has "India", "China", "Asia Pacific" or whatever, and that means the "Timbuktu" fund will grow in pace with the "Timbuktu" country while the local fund guy know nuts about "Timbuktu"?

Okay, you may say the fund is well diversify among the targeted category of companies in "Timbuktu" stock exchange. So if Timbuktu's index do well, the fund will also do well.

But it may still be missing the extra oomph that a local fund guy can produce in a local fund in the local homeground stock exchange.

(My 2 cents 'proven' by above dexk's post.... cool2.gif )


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lai lai any fund recommend..
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i seriously lazy to reply, but i saw a troll replying, who probably hasn't been investing much himself answering your question, making me want to type some words.

actually the recommended funds that goes around this thread are very few. CIMB AP, CIMB global titans, KGF, EI small cap, to name a few. but i do like to point out that i do believe newcomers were hurt when they started chasing CIMB AP, Global titans... when china market was downed a lot, and now with the rising ringgit, probably loss has increased.

Personally if you starting small, try not to overspread your investment. In hindsight, i wish i sticked to my investment from day 1... 75% KGF... biggrin.gif but that's hindsight. hindsight is always vision 20/20.

also... given the MYR volatility recently and it did climb up quite a bit... compared to say few months ago, then yes, it seems better now to invest in overseas fund. of course, nobody can predict the future, and if myr goes up even more later, you'll be like why didn't i wait... or if myr drop again, you'll be like, oh no, should have bought earlier... etc...

read some of the articles by FSM. concentrate on which geographical region you want to invest. then work around that. starting with malaysians fund would be easier in the sense that you do not have to worry about the exchange rate.

Btw, Eastspring Small Cap is just small cap fund. KGF invests in large cap and small cap funds. they are not the same category. but EI SC volatility will definitely be higher than KGF. For better comparison, may be better to compare EI my focus with KGF. Not sure about EI My focus, you can read it up on your own. should that it is not restricted to invest in small cap/blue chip...






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i seriously lazy to reply, but i saw a troll replying, who probably hasn't been investing much himself answering your question, making me want to type some words.

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i seriously lazy to reply, but i saw a troll replying, who probably hasn't been investing much himself answering your question, making me want to type some words....
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Apr 5 2016, 11:44 PM)
i seriously lazy to reply, but i saw a troll replying, who probably hasn't been investing much himself answering your question, making me want to type some words.

actually the recommended funds that goes around this thread are very few. CIMB AP, CIMB global titans, KGF, EI small cap, to name a few. but i do like to point out that i do believe newcomers were hurt when they started chasing CIMB AP, Global titans... when china market was downed a lot, and now with the rising ringgit, probably loss has increased.

Personally if you starting small, try not to overspread your investment. In hindsight, i wish i sticked to my investment from day 1... 75% KGF... biggrin.gif but that's hindsight. hindsight is always vision 20/20.

also... given the MYR volatility recently and it did climb up quite a bit... compared to say few months ago, then yes, it seems better now to invest in overseas fund. of course, nobody can predict the future, and if myr goes up even more later, you'll be like why didn't i wait... or if myr drop again, you'll be like, oh no, should have bought earlier... etc...

read some of the articles by FSM. concentrate on which geographical region you want to invest. then work around that. starting with malaysians fund would be easier in the sense that you do not have to worry about the exchange rate.

Btw, Eastspring Small Cap is just small cap fund. KGF invests in large cap and small cap funds. they are not the same category. but EI SC volatility will definitely be higher than KGF. For better comparison, may be better to compare EI my focus with KGF. Not sure about EI My focus, you can read it up on your own. should that it is not restricted to invest in small cap/blue chip...
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That person who shall not be named who does not invest in UTF, is actually is an awesome investor in ASX FP. He will queue up to five days in a row to mop up float units from bank to bank. He will park his little Axia near the bank entrance at 8:00am and wait for the bank to open their door. Thereafter will rush to the ASNB counter and beli whatever units that are available.

On a separate note; ESISC is an awesome fund! However due to its high stan-dev, I cap my exposure to 1/3 of portfolio. It is still a considered a high exposure, but it is a calculated risk. KGF is a more selamba fund..... it will chug along just fine. Just don't rush her. She will come.... just don't rush her.

Xuzen

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I have repeated this a few times. Malaysia market likes to play contrarian to global market. When global market is down like now, take a look at our local stock market! Going up, up and up! And the reverse shall happen. This is so predictable. Because of this, as an investors you are wise to keep locally exposed UTF and Global exposed UTF.

My GTF & Ponzi 2.0 drop is countered by the rise in ESISC and cushioned by the boring FI portion, namely Libra Asnita Bond. And, friends, this is how you should "play" UTF.

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That person who shall not be named who does not invest in UTF, is actually is an awesome investor in ASX FP. He will queue up to five days in a row to mop up float units from bank to bank. He will park his little Axia near the bank entrance at 8:00am and wait for the bank to open their door. Thereafter will rush to the ASNB counter and beli whatever units that are available.

On a separate note; ESISC is an awesome fund! However due to its high stan-dev, I cap my exposure to 1/3 of portfolio. It is still a considered a high exposure, but it is a calculated risk. KGF is a more selamba fund..... it will chug along just fine. Just don't rush her. She will come.... just don't rush her.

Xuzen

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I have repeated this a few times. Malaysia market likes to play contrarian to global market. When global market is down like now, take a look at our local stock market! Going up, up and up! And the reverse shall happen. This is so predictable. Because of this, as an investors you are wise to keep locally exposed UTF and Global exposed UTF.

My GTF & Ponzi 2.0 drop is countered by the rise in ESISC and cushioned by the boring FI portion, namely Libra Asnita Bond. And, friends, this is how you should "play" UTF.
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Well glad you guys talking about me.

Anyway forget about asx FP, xuzen, I need your insight regarding Titans. Can it be done as I said. When USD drop, Titan will drop. Hence Topup more for Titans. When USD goes up, topup more for stuff like ESISC?

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Well glad you guys talking about me.

Anyway forget about asx FP,  xuzen, I need your insight regarding Titans. Can it be done as I said. When USD drop, Titan will drop. Hence Topup more for Titans. When USD goes up, topup more for stuff like ESISC?
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GTF is made up of three main market: US, Eurozone & Japan.

What happened in 2HYr2015 is due to the oversold scenario of MYR. This means that MYR weaken against all or most currencies and that is why during that period, any foreign exposed UTF also gained. If only USD weakness alone, we would not see a repeat of this scenario.

Your proposed strategy is not going to work.

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GTF is made up of three main market: US, Eurozone & Japan.

What happened in 2HYr2015 is due to the oversold scenario of MYR. This means that MYR weaken against all or most currencies and that is why during that period, any foreign exposed UTF also gained. If only USD weakness alone, we would not see a repeat of this scenario.

Your proposed strategy is not going to work.

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GTF is made up of three main market: US, Eurozone & Japan.

What happened in 2HYr2015 is due to the oversold scenario of MYR. This means that MYR weaken against all or most currencies and that is why during that period, any foreign exposed UTF also gained. If only USD weakness alone, we would not see a repeat of this scenario.

Your proposed strategy is not going to work.

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Apr 5 2016, 11:44 PM)
i seriously lazy to reply, but i saw a troll replying, who probably hasn't been investing much himself answering your question, making me want to type some words.

actually the recommended funds that goes around this thread are very few. CIMB AP, CIMB global titans, KGF, EI small cap, to name a few. but i do like to point out that i do believe newcomers were hurt when they started chasing CIMB AP, Global titans... when china market was downed a lot, and now with the rising ringgit, probably loss has increased.

Personally if you starting small, try not to overspread your investment. In hindsight, i wish i sticked to my investment from day 1... 75% KGF... biggrin.gif but that's hindsight. hindsight is always vision 20/20.

also... given the MYR volatility recently and it did climb up quite a bit... compared to say few months ago, then yes, it seems better now to invest in overseas fund. of course, nobody can predict the future, and if myr goes up even more later, you'll be like why didn't i wait... or if myr drop again, you'll be like, oh no, should have bought earlier... etc...

read some of the articles by FSM. concentrate on which geographical region you want to invest. then work around that. starting with malaysians fund would be easier in the sense that you do not have to worry about the exchange rate.

Btw, Eastspring Small Cap is just small cap fund. KGF invests in large cap and small cap funds. they are not the same category. but EI SC volatility will definitely be higher than KGF. For better comparison, may be better to compare EI my focus with KGF. Not sure about EI My focus, you can read it up on your own. should that it is not restricted to invest in small cap/blue chip...
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 6 2016, 12:14 PM)
That person who shall not be named who does not invest in UTF, is actually is an awesome investor in ASX FP. He will queue up to five days in a row to mop up float units from bank to bank. He will park his little Axia near the bank entrance at 8:00am and wait for the bank to open their door. Thereafter will rush to the ASNB counter and beli whatever units that are available.

On a separate note; ESISC is an awesome fund! However due to its high stan-dev, I cap my exposure to 1/3 of portfolio. It is still a considered a high exposure, but it is a calculated risk. KGF is a more selamba fund..... it will chug along just fine. Just don't rush her. She will come.... just don't rush her.

Xuzen

p/s
I have repeated this a few times. Malaysia market likes to play contrarian to global market. When global market is down like now, take a look at our local stock market! Going up, up and up! And the reverse shall happen. This is so predictable. Because of this, as an investors you are wise to keep locally exposed UTF and Global exposed UTF.

My GTF & Ponzi 2.0 drop is countered by the rise in ESISC and cushioned by the boring FI portion, namely Libra Asnita Bond. And, friends, this is how you should "play" UTF.
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Wow.... Thanks for the input! As you all know I am new to this, really new. I still learning to view and analyse the fund. Benchmarking, peer benchmark, YTD, performance, sure to take a long time for me as I can squeeze little time daily basis. But since they offer me 1% sc..... And with very very small investment amount, I think I will go ESISC, KGF and the east spring bond fund atm... To me I should start in local UT instead of go wild in overseas. Perhaps the MYR now is swinging lfet and right. Then perhaps slowly learn through lol. That's is the most I can do now. If do it hurry I afraid lose more. Well that's base on my shallow knowledge of investment... Hoping to see more sifu shed more lights here.

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I don do DCA, just top up occasionally ...

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Wow.... Thanks for the input! As you all know I am new to this, really new. I still learning to view and analyse the fund. Benchmarking, peer benchmark, YTD, performance, sure to take a long time for me as I can squeeze little time daily basis. But since they offer me 1% sc..... And with very very small investment amount, I think I will go ESISC, KGF and the east spring bond fund atm... To me I should start in local UT instead of go wild in overseas. Perhaps the MYR now is swinging lfet and right.  Then perhaps slowly learn through lol. That's is the most I can do now. If do it hurry I afraid lose more. Well that's base on my shallow knowledge of investment... Hoping to see more sifu shed more lights here.
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Take your time to learn, and do not be afraid to make mistake.

I started investing directly in stock market since 2007 right after the Asian Financial crisis.... Had good year in 2008 and 2009. But I found out that stock market is too tedious for me, too much monitoring needed. If that is your passion and hobby, well good for you!

Then I took the UTC license with Public Mutual and started investing in UTF by becoming my own agent which saved me the agent commission because the agent commission goes back to my own pocket. That was in 2009 and during those times where got DIY FSM platform? When talk about UTF, it is always Public Mutual only.

In 2013, I stopped investing with Public Mutual and switch to DIY Platform such as FSM because FSM sales charge is soooooo darn low, it is not worth even to maintain my UTC license with Public Mutual.

So in all, I have been investing since 2007 (9 years) and for UTF = 7 years experience until today.

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P/s So the question million dollar question is over time, did I make money from UTF? the answer is YES! Did I also lose money while investing in UTF? The answer is also YES! The trick is make more than lose!



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In 2014, M'sia funds esp KGF was the darling.... then China funds became the de'rigeur in Q2 to Q3 in 2015, then it tumbled. Thereafter GTF become the new darling as USD/MYR forex was in USD's favour.

Now that the reverse of USD/MYR forex has occurred, GTF is no longer the darling, and M'sia exposed UTF become the de'rigeur once again esp KGF. A full cycle has come.

The world market is very fickle minded, that is the truth and nothing can change that fact.

That is why, it is useless to time the market or chase after it. It is very energy zapping. Just hold a diversified portfolio where the calculated rewards >> the risk and over time, you should be fine.

The term reward refers to Yield or ROI and Risk refers to Standard Deviation.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 6 2016, 12:14 PM)
That person who shall not be named who does not invest in UTF, is actually is an awesome investor in ASX FP. He will queue up to five days in a row to mop up float units from bank to bank. He will park his little Axia near the bank entrance at 8:00am and wait for the bank to open their door. Thereafter will rush to the ASNB counter and beli whatever units that are available.

On a separate note; ESISC is an awesome fund! However due t9o its high stan-dev, I cap my exposure to 1/3 of portfolio. It is still a considered a high exposure, but it is a calculated risk. KGF is a more selamba fund..... it will chug along just fine. Just don't rush her. She will come.... just don't rush her.

Xuzen

p/s
I have repeated this a few times. Malaysia market likes to play contrarian to global market. When global market is down like now, take a look at our local stock market! Going up, up and up! And the reverse shall happen. This is so predictable. Because of this, as an investors you are wise to keep locally exposed UTF and Global exposed UTF.

My GTF & Ponzi 2.0 drop is countered by the rise in ESISC and cushioned by the boring FI portion, namely Libra Asnita Bond. And, friends, this is how you should "play" UTF.
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Why my fsm load so slow and often dc since yesterday night? Connection is ok. All other websites ok.
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Guys, I have some issue here. I cant logged in to FSM and the page will not load completely for the past 24 hours.

And even I able to logged in the page wont load completely. And I refresh massive time to get into holdings.

I wish to know, lets say I buy on yesterday 5PM, the transection should be done today? Or I have to wait?
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Guys, I have some issue here. I cant logged in to FSM and the page will not load completely for the past 24 hours.

And even I able to logged in the page wont load completely. And I refresh massive time to get into holdings.

I wish to know, lets say I buy on yesterday 5PM, the transection should be done today? Or I have to wait?
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Try clear your browser cache and try again, seems fine from my side.

if you buy yesterday after 12pm and done payment via FPX, if not mistaken they will process your order by today, then around 8 or 11 your order will be completed
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Try clear your browser cache and try again, seems fine from my side.

if you buy yesterday after 12pm and done payment via FPX, if not mistaken they will process your order by today, then around 8 or 11 your order will be completed
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Untill now the order not yet complete.

Damnnnn. First time deal with them already having this exp....

Now cant logged out wthhhh
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 7 2016, 05:58 PM)
Untill now the order not yet complete.

Damnnnn. First time deal with them already having this exp....

Now cant logged out wthhhh
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yeah cause you done the payment yesterday after 12pm, if the payment done before 12pm, it might able to complete by tomorrow.

as for the logging out issue maybe is the browser caching issue, have you tried clear all cache? or maybe other browser?

FYI they also have iOS and Android app, if you wanna have quick view of your holdings or fund price, might be a better choice.

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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Apr 7 2016, 07:46 PM)
yeah cause you done the payment yesterday after 12pm, if the payment done before 12pm, it might able to complete by tomorrow.

as for the logging out issue maybe is the browser caching issue, have you tried clear all cache? or maybe other browser?

FYI they also have iOS and Android app, if you wanna have quick view of your holdings or fund price, might be a better choice.
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I tried everything.

I use my tablet, laptop, desktop all same.... Damn.

Browser I tried also. IE, FF, GC all stuck at home page. Load 5 minutes, click any thing also stuck.

You using UNIFI? I guess unifi is the culprit. I even stream YT HD, watch movie. All smooth besides this fsm. oh god whyyyyyyyy

I buy Wednesday and they still cant complete my order today??? Oh mai..... I never know that they are that slow.

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Q: I encounter problems when I try to log in. What should I do?

Q: Whom do I contact if I need help?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/2...-Enquiries-8771


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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 7 2016, 08:59 PM)
Troubleshooting and Enquiries of

Q:  Having problems with account login?

Q:  I encounter problems when I try to log in. What should I do?

Q:  Whom do I contact if I need help?

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/2...-Enquiries-8771
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Its all done. Unifi problem. Settle. Thanks for the suggestion and listening to my rant. cheers. Actually I do call them this afternoon. Just keep no people pick it up.
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I tried everything.

I use my tablet, laptop, desktop all same.... Damn.

Browser I tried also. IE, FF, GC all stuck at home page. Load 5 minutes, click any thing also stuck.

You using UNIFI? I guess unifi is the culprit. I even stream YT HD, watch movie. All smooth besides this fsm. oh god whyyyyyyyy

I buy Wednesday and they still cant complete my order today??? Oh mai..... I never know that they are that slow.
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eh... did you open browser in tablet or use the app?

If you suspect UNIFI is the culprit, try tether from your phone.

I notice that I can't view Domino Pizza homepage using UNIFI...
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eh... did you open browser in tablet or use the app?

If you suspect UNIFI is the culprit, try tether from your phone.

I notice that I can't view Domino Pizza homepage using UNIFI...
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Yea. Unifi. I settle with them already. I try all already untill fed up just now. Even if your washing machine connected to Unifi, some websites will still blocked or cant access.

Lately I just got a new router from them. For the past five month my fb have no picture to viewed just one cross. All due to the ipv6 setting via the lauya router.

Fsm, domino, fb all also due to same problem.
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Try clear your browser cache and try again, seems fine from my side.
if you buy yesterday after 12pm and done payment via FPX, if not mistaken they will process your order by today, then around 8 or 11 your order will be completed
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Guys, I have some issue here. I cant logged in to FSM and the page will not load completely for the past 24 hours.
And even I able to logged in the page wont load completely. And I refresh massive time to get into holdings.
I wish to know, lets say I buy on yesterday 5PM, the transection should be done today? Or I have to wait?
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Actually cut-off time is 3pm... before 3pm same business day, after 3pm, next business day. some of exceptional such as PRS fund for CIMB.

i would suggest transferring to CMF2 first (if you haven't), then go for buying funds...

1) good place to park your fund
2) you don't have to go through the fpx everytime you buy a fund.

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Apr 7 2016, 10:53 PM)
Actually cut-off time is 3pm... before 3pm same business day, after 3pm, next business day. some of exceptional such as PRS fund for CIMB.

i would suggest transferring to CMF2 first (if you haven't), then go for buying funds...

1) good place to park your fund
2) you don't have to go through the fpx everytime you buy a fund.
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Cool! Good to know that, but what about FPX side? I believe they will need to receive the cash first only will place order for us right?
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Cool! Good to know that, but what about FPX side? I believe they will need to receive the cash first only will place order for us right?
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according to here....
"Your buy orders will only be transacted when we receive your payment. Once we received your cheque/Internet bill payment for your orders before 3pm on each business day, your orders will be transacted on the same day.

Exception:

For subscriptions of Maybank Global Bond Fund, Opus Cash Extra, Opus Dynamic Income, CIMB-Principal ASEAN Total Return Fund - USD, Eastspring Investments Islamic Income Fund and Opus Shariah Cash Extra your buy orders will only be transacted once we have remitted your payment to the fund manager."

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Actually cut-off time is 3pm... before 3pm same business day, after 3pm, next business day. some of exceptional such as PRS fund for CIMB.

i would suggest transferring to CMF2 first (if you haven't), then go for buying funds...

1) good place to park your fund
2) you don't have to go through the fpx everytime you buy a fund.
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Hmm ok. I know the cut off time is 1500. I bought after 1500 when should the order complete? Lets say Monday. Shall I wait till Wednesday to complete or later?
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Hmm ok. I know the cut off time is 1500. I bought after 1500 when should the order complete? Lets say Monday. Shall I wait till Wednesday to complete or later?
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However, the transaction will be under processing for about 4 working days then only it would be reflected in your holdings. So no worries, so far I never had issue with FSM pricing date
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Hmm ok. I know the cut off time is 1500. I bought after 1500 when should the order complete? Lets say Monday. Shall I wait till Wednesday to complete or later?
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The transaction will be priced following the price on the next business day.
However, the transaction will be under processing for about 4 working days then only it would be reflected in your holdings. So no worries, so far I never had issue with FSM pricing date
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Agree.. dont worry too much about it. It will reflect on your holdings...
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The transaction will be priced following the price on the next business day.
However, the transaction will be under processing for about 4 working days then only it would be reflected in your holdings. So no worries, so far I never had issue with FSM pricing date
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4 working days??!!
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So the pricing is following the date I ordered or the after long 4 working day?
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4 working days??!!
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So the pricing is following the date I ordered or the after long 4 working day?
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Price of the following day. 4 working days to reflect that in your unit trust holdings only, like processing time but price is set jor
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4 working days??!!
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So the pricing is following the date I ordered or the after long 4 working day?
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Yamaha most funds are T+4 to reflect on your portfolio. I guess they need to get feedback from fundshouse..

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 8 2016, 04:38 PM)
Price of the following day. 4 working days to reflect that in your unit trust holdings only, like processing time but price is set jor
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Owh I see. Lets see after 4 days. Monday can settle or not.

Btw, any Unifi user here can clarify? Can in fsm?

And any here using their mobile apps?

And its may sound silly, but is it safe to login to fsm by using mobile data as hotspot?
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 8 2016, 06:52 PM)
Owh I see. Lets see after 4 days. Monday can settle or not.

Btw, any Unifi user here can clarify? Can in fsm?

And any here using their mobile apps?

And its may sound silly, but is it safe to login to fsm by using mobile data as hotspot?
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Mobile app has some functions. But if you want to buy/sell or make payment, you still need to open web browser.

As for using mobile data, if security is your concern, just connect your phone to PC rather than set up WiFi.
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Owh I see. Lets see after 4 days. Monday can settle or not.

Btw, any Unifi user here can clarify? Can in fsm?

And any here using their mobile apps?

And its may sound silly, but is it safe to login to fsm by using mobile data as hotspot?
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I am using their mobile app good for taking a glance of the saved fund price
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I actually like using the app as a quick check.. but alot more can be improve from there
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 8 2016, 05:22 PM)
Owh I see. Lets see after 4 days. Monday can settle or not.

Btw, any Unifi user here can clarify? Can in fsm?

And any here using their mobile apps?

And its may sound silly, but is it safe to login to fsm by using mobile data as hotspot?
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The easy way to clarify all ur doubties is to ask fsm live chat or just simply give them a call ... getting so nervous or panic definitely not gonna solve ur issues ... good luck and enjoy ur ride with fsm.
ISSIT SAFE TO USE MOBILE DATA AS HOTSPOT ? THAT ONE U ASK MAXIS ...

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Apr 10 2016, 10:07 AM)
The easy way to clarify all ur doubties is to ask fsm live chat or just simply give them a call ... getting so nervous or panic definitely not gonna solve ur issues ... good luck and enjoy ur ride with fsm.
ISSIT SAFE TO USE MOBILE DATA AS HOTSPOT ? THAT ONE U ASK MAXIS ...
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Hotspot is between the phone and the PC (or another phone). Nothing to do with mobile operator.
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Apr 10 2016, 10:07 AM)
The easy way to clarify all ur doubties is to ask fsm live chat or just simply give them a call ... getting so nervous or panic definitely not gonna solve ur issues ... good luck and enjoy ur ride with fsm.
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Now can ask direct to the CEO.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Apr 10 2016, 10:07 AM)
The easy way to clarify all ur doubties is to ask fsm live chat or just simply give them a call ... getting so nervous or panic definitely not gonna solve ur issues ... good luck and enjoy ur ride with fsm.
ISSIT SAFE TO USE MOBILE DATA AS HOTSPOT ? THAT ONE U ASK MAXIS ...
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I intend to ask here because this usually give a consumer view reply. Not business orientated.. I did try to call them, but wait on the line 10 minutes also no people pickup.... Online live chat?? The fsm page not even load fully, can't even sign in...

Yes, I am kind of afraid online transfer because my fam member had a bad exp with all this before. We end up go making police report in the middle of the night... The money can be gone like that even no TAC required.... That's why I am concern about this... I know I may sound really paranoid..

QUOTE(river.sand @ Apr 10 2016, 10:42 AM)
Hotspot is between the phone and the PC (or another phone). Nothing to do with mobile operator.
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But the internet services is provided by the mobile operator.
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Did anyone capitalize on 1% s/charge for AH SSIF?
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Did anyone capitalize on 1% s/charge for AH SSIF?
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But the internet services is provided by the mobile operator.
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So many people have been sending personal data from the phones. I believe mobile network should be quite secure hmm.gif
If fact, before I subscribed to Unifi, I also used my phone to do online transactions, from logging in to M2U to booking flights.

The real risk is in public wifi, such as those in Starbucks cafe. Wifi is based on hub technology, which is less secured. Both mobile networks and wired networks are based on switch technology, which is more secured.
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sometime in dec 2014, i am somewhat glad that i had some investment in overseas fund... not fully in malaysia.

Sometime in april 2015, i am somewhat cushioned by myr weakness that the drop in china didn't affect my cimb asia pac fund.

2nd half of 2015, quite glad i was invested in overseas fund...

april 2016... i should have dump all my money in kgf from day 1...

cheers...!!! just ranting, happy investing.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Apr 11 2016, 07:36 PM)
sometime in dec 2014, i am somewhat glad that i had some investment in overseas fund... not fully in malaysia.

Sometime in april 2015, i am somewhat cushioned by myr weakness that the drop in china didn't affect my cimb asia pac fund.

2nd half of 2015, quite glad i was invested in overseas fund...

april 2016... i should have dump all my money in kgf from day 1...

cheers...!!! just ranting, happy investing.
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biggrin.gif just focus on KGF... will be alright!
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Apr 11 2016, 07:36 PM)
sometime in dec 2014, i am somewhat glad that i had some investment in overseas fund... not fully in malaysia.

Sometime in april 2015, i am somewhat cushioned by myr weakness that the drop in china didn't affect my cimb asia pac fund.

2nd half of 2015, quite glad i was invested in overseas fund...

april 2016... i should have dump all my money in kgf from day 1...

cheers...!!! just ranting, happy investing.
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lol we don't have crytl balls to know all blush.gif
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biggrin.gif  just focus on KGF... will be alright!
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They r very aggressive on advertisement lately
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Roadshows, seminars, facebook..?
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Apr 11 2016, 07:36 PM)
sometime in dec 2014, i am somewhat glad that i had some investment in overseas fund... not fully in malaysia.

Sometime in april 2015, i am somewhat cushioned by myr weakness that the drop in china didn't affect my cimb asia pac fund.

2nd half of 2015, quite glad i was invested in overseas fund...

april 2016... i should have dump all my money in kgf from day 1...

cheers...!!! just ranting, happy investing.
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rclxms.gif I like your honesty

Well... what's your next course of action? Average down? Stop? Take out?
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rclxms.gif I like your honesty

Well... what's your next course of action? Average down? Stop? Take out?
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Average down on cimb ap... via prs. Not into topping up other funds for now. may consider topping up india fund but very small amount.

Closely monitor malaysia equity. May top up on kgf and/of increase direct exposure to bursa.


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Roadshows,  seminars,  facebook..?
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Magazines
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for a dividend announcement since 28th march, is it normal to wait till now and still the NAV is not updated? i know it does say 2 weeks but it's already around there and still no change.namely smart treasure and asnita bond.
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for a dividend announcement since 28th march, is it normal to wait till now and still the NAV is not updated? i know it does say 2 weeks but it's already around there and still no change.namely smart treasure and asnita bond.
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wow... stated 2 weeks? And in the meantime, not able to sell or buy... this is like asking FD depositors to wait 2 months...

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Wall Street Gives Up on India Funds as JPMorgan Joins Exodus.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...an-joins-exodus

"For JPMorgan Chase & Co. and other global firms vying for a share of India’s mutual-fund industry, the world’s fastest-growing major economy has been a land of missed opportunity.

JPMorgan is joining the likes of Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley and Deutsche Bank AG in exiting India’s 13.5 trillion rupees ($204 billion) mutual-fund market, the seventh international manager to leave in the past three years...."


The alternate headline would be "Local Managers Whipped Wall Street."

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Wall Street Gives Up on India Funds as JPMorgan Joins Exodus.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...an-joins-exodus

"For JPMorgan Chase & Co. and other global firms vying for a share of India’s mutual-fund industry, the world’s fastest-growing major economy has been a land of missed opportunity.

JPMorgan is joining the likes of Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley and Deutsche Bank AG in exiting India’s 13.5 trillion rupees ($204 billion) mutual-fund market, the seventh international manager to leave in the past three years...."


The alternate headline would be "Local Managers Whipped Wall Street."
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shit..time to get out of india then??
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shit..time to get out of india then??
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"Time..." Sorry, no crystal ball. smile.gif

The post was in support of a recent post on performance of funds vs economic performance of a specific country.

That bloomberg article puts the blame on "risk-adverse" of local Indians (ie. no market demand) and red tape.

(Really? Their targetted customers is the local Indians, not Americans? Just like saying any "India Fund" sold here...)

If the issue is digged deeper, it could boils down to no demand for their funds as their investors were pulling out due to poor fund performance, ie. the foreign fund houses not able to make money and good acceptable returns in local markets...


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QUOTE(vincabby @ Apr 13 2016, 10:29 AM)
for a dividend announcement since 28th march, is it normal to wait till now and still the NAV is not updated? i know it does say 2 weeks but it's already around there and still no change.namely smart treasure and asnita bond.
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smart treasure already updated. I just checked
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Europe and US markets doing good yesterday
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if i have available credit points in my account, can it be use to offset the sales charges if I topup on equity fund using Cash Mgmt fund 2 ?

or is this credit system use only for switching from bond fund to equity fund only ? Will it show that credit points is being use in the system during the transaction?
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if i have available credit points in my account, can it be use to offset the sales charges if I topup on equity fund using Cash Mgmt fund 2 ?

or is this credit system use only for switching from bond fund to equity fund only ? Will it show that credit points is being use in the system during the transaction?
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Q: IS CREDIT SYSTEM APPLICABLE TO ALL SWITCHING?
A: No, Credit system is only applicable to Intra-switch, not for Inter-switch.
However, there are certain funds which are not available for Intra-Switch. Please refer to SWITCHING OF FUND FAQ for more information.

Q: IS THERE ANY FUND THAT IS NOT APPLICABLE FOR CREDIT SYSTEM?
A: Yes, RHB Cash Management Fund 2 is not available for Credit System. This is due to RHB Cash Management Fund 2 is not allowed for Intra-Switch. This has been made known to investors in the fund’s prospector.
For more information on fund switching, please refer to SWITCHING OF FUND FAQ.

Q: HOW DO I KNOW THE USAGE OF CREDIT AND AVAILABLE CREDITS ?
A: To view your credits that had been utilized, go to MY INVESTMENTS> VIEW HOLDINGS> BY FUND NAME, then click ‘Historic Transaction’ at the bottom of holding page.
You are able to view available credits in your holding page as well as during Intra-Switching steps.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...-System-2001#10

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blush.gif already very long didnt beli majalah!
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lol me too.. Nowadays all can get online.. Can even get Some 'international' one too brows.gif
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Europe and US markets doing good yesterday
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Q: IS CREDIT SYSTEM APPLICABLE TO ALL SWITCHING?
A: No, Credit system is only applicable to Intra-switch, not for Inter-switch.
However, there are certain funds which are not available for Intra-Switch. Please refer to SWITCHING OF FUND FAQ for more information.

Q: IS THERE ANY FUND THAT IS NOT APPLICABLE FOR CREDIT SYSTEM?
A: Yes, RHB Cash Management Fund 2 is not available for Credit System. This is due to RHB Cash Management Fund 2 is not allowed for Intra-Switch. This has been made known to investors in the fund’s prospector.
For more information on fund switching, please refer to SWITCHING OF FUND FAQ.

Q: HOW DO I KNOW THE USAGE OF CREDIT AND AVAILABLE CREDITS ?
A: To view your credits that had been utilized, go to MY INVESTMENTS> VIEW HOLDINGS> BY FUND NAME, then click ‘Historic Transaction’ at the bottom of holding page.
You are able to view available credits in your holding page as well as during Intra-Switching steps.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/0...-System-2001#10
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If i want to switch from hwang equity fund to kenanga equity fund using credit points, is this the process I need to go

hwang equity >> hwang bond (earn credit) >> kenanga bond >>kenanga equity ??

if I do the way below, credit cannot be use ?

hwang equity >> hwang bond (earn credit) >> CMF >> kenanga equity (normal sales charge , cannot use credit point) ??


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QUOTE(repusez @ Apr 14 2016, 01:05 PM)
If i want to switch from hwang equity fund to kenanga equity fund using credit points, is this the process I need to go

hwang equity >> hwang bond (earn credit) >> kenanga bond >>kenanga equity ??

if I do the way below, credit cannot be use ?

hwang equity >> hwang bond (earn credit) >> CMF >> kenanga equity (normal sales charge , cannot use credit point) ??
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I did not take notice of those credit point when i switches. But if i am not mistaken, i think formmer vanguard did mentioned that it is still ok to switch as per mentioned by you.
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guys, a question here regarding to my upcoming regulation exam.

what is the maximum time for report as follows to be published by fund management (unit trust) firm?

1. Report regarding to the fee
2. Report regarding to the Performance in return against Benchmark

1/3/6 months?

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guys, a question here regarding to my upcoming regulation exam.

what is the maximum time for report as follows to be published by fund management (unit trust) firm?

1. Report regarding to the fee
2. Report regarding to the Performance in return against Benchmark

1/3/6 months?

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hmm.gif given the criteria...what is the maximum time for reports .......options available....1, 3 or 6 months.....
I would take 6 months....
the funds would publish annual audited financial reports and semi annual interim reports,...which contains the info regarding fees, and performance against its benchmark.
from CIMB.....
"The financial accounts of the Fund for each half-year within two (2) months from the end of the half-year or financial year, as the case may be.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...usMYCIMB014.pdf

sweat.gif sweat.gif just be warned......since you are seeking info for your upcoming regulation exam.......don't take my words (as above), for it.......
btw,....how so you know that the info obtained in the forums are trustworthy?

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Dear Investors,

The opec meeting is going to take place soon. Can some of your share your thoughts how this meeting will affect global stocks/fund?
If they decide to freeze the output of crude oil, how will this affect the various market? If they can't reach an agreement, how will this impact the markets?
Keen to hear your thoughts esp those veteran investors.
Thank you.
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QUOTE(ssajnani @ Apr 15 2016, 09:20 PM)
Dear Investors,

The opec meeting is going to take place soon. Can some of your share your thoughts how this meeting will affect global stocks/fund?
If they decide to freeze the output of crude oil, how will this affect the various market? If they can't reach an agreement, how will this impact the markets?
Keen to hear your thoughts esp those veteran investors.
Thank you.
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while waiting for more value added responses I found these while googling....
What analysts expect from the Doha oil meeting
http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/04/13/what-a...on&desktop=true

http://www.ibtimes.com/opec-doha-meeting-m...nt-some-2352012

Will the oil producer meeting bring results?
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000509936

Will the oil producer meeting freeze output?
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000508896

Analysts expect little impact from meeting
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/15/reuters-ame...ha-meeting.html

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QUOTE(ssajnani @ Apr 15 2016, 09:20 PM)
Dear Investors,

The opec meeting is going to take place soon. Can some of your share your thoughts how this meeting will affect global stocks/fund?
If they decide to freeze the output of crude oil, how will this affect the various market? If they can't reach an agreement, how will this impact the markets?
Keen to hear your thoughts esp those veteran investors.
Thank you.
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How will OPEC meeting affect your investment decision?

If you are a stock or commodities speculator, a right prediction may help you make money.
But UT is more for medium to long term investment. I would say no point speculating the outcome of OPEC meeting. Just wait for the news.

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They offer 0.50% s/charge
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Hmmm. Top up esisc or buy kgf....

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I am dumping Ponzi 2.0; its return is getting lower and lower whereas its volatility is increasing and increasing!

I am dumping it in lieu of RHB Asian Total Return Pink Spider - yes, you are right. RHB Asian Income also is a good alternative if you prefer a mixed asset fund.

RHB Asian Total Return is an Asia Pac Ex-Japan corporate bond exposed.

Xuzen

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Hmmm. Top up esisc or buy kgf....
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KGF or ESISC both also good.

But, take this into consideration:

I am sure you already have EPF right? EPF equity holding is mainly in Malaysia large cap. So, in essence you already by default are exposed to M'sia large cap. So, to me, holding ESISC will plug the gap by exposing you to Malaysia small cap.

Xuzen

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Hmmm. Top up esisc or buy kgf....
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 17 2016, 04:20 PM)
KGF or ESISC both also good.

But, take this into consideration:

I am sure you already have EPF right? EPF equity holding is mainly in Malaysia large cap. So, in essence you already by default are exposed to M'sia large cap. So, to me, holding ESISC will plug the gap by exposing you to Malaysia small cap.

Xuzen
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No la. Not working yet how got epf lol.

Even my working family member choose pension over epf.

Epf having alot downside actually. Haha

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 17 2016, 04:57 PM)
No la. Not working yet how got epf lol.

Even my working family member choose pension over epf.

Epf having alot downside actually. Haha
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Oh ok.

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Market crash soon? Hot boiling in US and south america... same goes to eu .... more QE or ... jump out now ?haiz
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 17 2016, 03:27 PM)
No la. Not working yet how got epf lol.

Even my working family member choose pension over epf.

Epf having alot downside actually. Haha
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Wat downside? Pension over epf? Hmmm ... okay
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Wat downside? Pension over epf? Hmmm ... okay
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 17 2016, 04:15 PM)
I am dumping Ponzi 2.0; its return is getting lower and lower whereas its volatility is increasing and increasing!

I am dumping it in lieu of RHB Asian Total Return Pink Spider - yes, you are right. RHB Asian Income also is a good alternative if you prefer a mixed asset fund.

RHB Asian Total Return is an Asia Pac Ex-Japan corporate bond exposed.

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Sorry I am not familiar with some of the lingo here. Which is Ponzi 2.0? And why do you call it Ponzi 2.0?
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Sorry I am not familiar with some of the lingo here. Which is Ponzi 2.0? And why do you call it Ponzi 2.0?
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just a nick name....
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Hi I m new and noob here

Thinking to invest to kinda unit trusts seeking for some guidances.

How to create account in Fundsupermart?
What is IRR?
What is the charges of a single transaction? E.g. RM 5k

Have anyone making more than 8 pct from single fund in a short period? Let's say 6 months.
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QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Apr 18 2016, 08:09 AM)
Hi I m new and noob here

Thinking to invest to kinda unit trusts seeking for some guidances.

How to create account in Fundsupermart?
What is IRR?
What is the charges of a single transaction? E.g. RM 5k

Have anyone making more than 8 pct from single fund in a short period? Let's say 6 months.
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Yr Q: How to create account in Fundsupermart?
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/acl/accountOpening.tpl?

Yr Q: What is IRR?
depends on what fund you had purchased

Yr Q: What is the charges of a single transaction?
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/acl/accountOpening.tpl?
after 1 month is usually 2%SC

Yr Q: Have anyone making more than 8 pct from single fund in a short period? Let's say 6 months.
there are funds that did 12~21% in 6 months
there are funds that did 10~40% in 3 months
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...formed=topFunds

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Have anyone making more than 8 pct from single fund in a short period? Let's say 6 months.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 17 2016, 04:15 PM)
I am dumping Ponzi 2.0; its return is getting lower and lower whereas its volatility is increasing and increasing!

I am dumping it in lieu of RHB Asian Total Return Pink Spider - yes, you are right. RHB Asian Income also is a good alternative if you prefer a mixed asset fund.

RHB Asian Total Return is an Asia Pac Ex-Japan corporate bond exposed.

Xuzen
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Wow, what a drastic move

I'm actually thinking to dump Asian total return - main reason - the exposure to China corporate bond is 27% and 38% in financial services in terms of sector

I'm quite wary of the debt bubble in china....

Between the 3 funds my fav is Asian income but the fund it feeds into is not top notch also, but it's mixed assets including REITs, so it's more stable
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Have anyone making more than 8 pct from single fund in a short period? Let's say 6 months.
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Possible, but you can't predict it. So don't waste your time.
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 18 2016, 11:50 AM)
Wow, what a drastic move

I'm actually thinking to dump Asian total return - main reason - the exposure to China corporate bond is 27% and 38% in financial services in terms of sector

I'm quite wary of the debt bubble in china....

Between the 3 funds my fav is Asian income but the fund it feeds into is not top notch also, but it's mixed assets including REITs, so it's more stable
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Yeah, I liked Ponzi 2.0 for its low volatility, which was around 8.XX% back in 2015. Now its volatility has creeped up to almost 11.0%, it has exceeded my risk appetite, hence I change it to RHB Asian Income where its volatility is around 7.XX%.

What you say about RHB Asian Total Return is purely perception and personal opinion because the numbers presented are still ok.

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Hi I m new and noob here

Thinking to invest to kinda unit trusts seeking for some guidances.

How to create account in Fundsupermart?
What is IRR?
What is the charges of a single transaction? E.g. RM 5k

Have anyone making more than 8 pct from single fund in a short period? Let's say 6 months.

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Back in mid 2015, I bought into TA Global Tech and sold it 3 months later for a 15% gain. However, these type of trade is not easily repeatable and it happens because I so happen to be already in the market.

That is why the old adage; "investing gain is not about timing the market but the time you are in the market". Ponder on this you must.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 18 2016, 02:28 PM)
Yeah, I liked Ponzi 2.0 for its low volatility, which was around 8.XX% back in 2015. Now its volatility has creeped up to almost 11.0%, it has exceeded my risk appetite, hence I change it to RHB Asian Income where its volatility is around 7.XX%.

What you say about RHB Asian Total Return is purely perception and personal opinion because  the numbers presented are still ok.

Xuzen
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Hmm.... facts vs perception
Actually I'm just parroting what the fund manager says .... http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYRHBATR.pdf
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But anyway, choice of funds and asset allocation is personal to a certain extend
Just expressing my surprise with the sudden move from a pure equity fund to pure bond fund albeit in the same geographical market

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Hmm.... facts vs perception
Actually I'm just parroting what the fund manager says .... http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYRHBATR.pdf

But anyway, choice of funds and asset allocation is personal to a certain extend
Just expressing my surprise with the sudden move from a pure equity fund to pure bond fund albeit in the same geographical market
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I decided to go with RHB Asian Income instead.... mixed asset fund, the so called "middle path". RHB ATRF volatility is even higher than RHB AIF

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 18 2016, 02:28 PM)
Yeah, I liked Ponzi 2.0 for its low volatility, which was around 8.XX% back in 2015. Now its volatility has creeped up to almost 11.0%, it has exceeded my risk appetite, hence I change it to RHB Asian Income where its volatility is around 7.XX%.

What you say about RHB Asian Total Return is purely perception and personal opinion because  the numbers presented are still ok.

Xuzen
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Yea. Its really depend how long you in that specific market....

Take me as an example. I save myself from -8% to +6% in asx.. Some people just still stay (-). Thankfully I pull out to cut lost at the right time.

They rhb total return seems good. 3m 6m also showing good sign. 0% sc. Seems good... But I guess I will wait a little bit longer since the 0%
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Does anyone know what's the differences between public mutual and Fundsupermart?

Can give some comparisons in terms of pro and con?
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CHINA SAYS "NO DOLLARS" FOR NEW YUAN

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In a shocking move likely to crush the US economy overnight, China is refusing to make its new gold-backed Yuan, convertible from or to US Dollars. The new Yuan will be introduced next Tuesday, April 19.

When the International Monetary Fund (IMF) agreed to add the Yuan to the basket of world currencies used for Global Reserves and International Trade, they wanted China to make the Yuan more reliable as a currency. Since then, China has almost un-pegged its Yuan from the Dollar, allowing its value to fluctuate on world markets.

But for years, China has been amassing huge amounts of gold bullion; some have said their appetite for bullion has been "staggering." And with a new gold-backed Yuan to be issued next Tuesday, the entire world will have a choice of a new currency to use for international trade: The old US Dollar which is backed by nothing, or the new Chinese Yuan, which is backed by gold. Which currency would YOU use?

When this new currency is issued, countries that have been forced to use US Dollars for decades, and have had to keep billions of dollars in their foreign currency reserves, will be free to dump those dollars. But they won't be able to dump them to China for the new gold-backed, Yuan!

China has reportedly decided"there can be no conversion of gold-backed Yuan to or from US dollars." What China fears is that many countries around the world will want to trade their reserve US dollars for the new Yuan, leaving China with mountains of worthless US dollars. China already has several trillion in US dollar reserves and does not want or need more.

If news of this decision by China is correct, then countries around the world may just have to decide whether or not they wish to continue trading with the USA at all?

The upheaval this could cause as early as next week, would be staggering.

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1152

http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod...ead&tid=1844662

http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/topic...ed-by-macaense/

China's big four banks, StanChart, ANZ to join yuan gold benchmark http://reut.rs/1qofAqj
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QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Apr 18 2016, 09:22 PM)
Does anyone know what's the differences between public mutual and Fundsupermart?

Can give some comparisons in terms of pro and con?
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public mutual are generally sold through agent, in which the sales charge is usually 6% , even though you buy through their public mutual online the service charge is the same . They only sell public mutual funds. They are pioneer in unit trust industry and thus can claim they are the biggest unit trust company.

FSM is a online platform that sells unit trust from various company like cimb, kenanga, eastspring and etc . being online they do not rely on agent and thus save on commision fee, thus their sales charges are 2% or below.

the cons is that you need to monitor and manage your own fund. They do not sell public mutual fund.
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hmm.gif check this out?
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ober-2013--3983
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I'm curious regarding index funds. Low cost index funds can be bought in malaysia ? Any platforms?
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I just make up my mind to Kenanaga Growth Fund..

If such recommended funds, usually gain most of the time than loss? (based on your past experiences)
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I just make up my mind to Kenanaga Growth Fund..

If such recommended funds, usually gain most of the time than loss? (based  on your past experiences)
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just a reminder, recommended funds are not sure win.....
their selection selection criteria are based on.....
Recommended Fund Methodology
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All

QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Apr 18 2016, 08:09 AM)
....What is IRR?
.....Have anyone making more than 8 pct from single fund in a short period? Let's say 6 months.
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seems like Kenanga Growth fund cannot meet your criteria this time round



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I'm curious regarding index funds. Low cost index funds can be bought in malaysia ? Any platforms?
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found this in FSM,
you may also check out Public Index fund from PM

but as I am just not sure it they are low cost as per your needs.



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The low cost index fund are those ETF that are available on sale in KLSE , there are several fund such ETF in m'sia

FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI ETF
CIMB FTSE ASEAN 40 MALAYSIA (0822EA)
CIMB FTSE China 50 (0823EA)

Equity ETF (Shariah Compliant)
MyETF-DJIM25 (0821EA)
MyETF MSCI Malaysia Islamic Dividend (0824EA)
MYETF MSCI South East Asia Islamic Dividend (0825EA)
MyETF Thomson Reuters Asia Pacific Ex-Japan Islamic Agribusiness (0826EA)

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...aded-funds-etfs

the cost to buy is your brokerage fee which is min rm8 or 0.42% (depending on which broker you use) .

management fee is 0.5% , ETF not popular in msia yet, daily volume is low . Cost wise is cheaper than unit trust but performance wise is so so

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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 20 2016, 07:46 AM)
just a reminder, recommended funds are not sure win.....
their selection selection criteria are based on.....
Recommended Fund Methodology
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All
seems like Kenanga Growth fund cannot meet your criteria this time round
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I am having this for EPF investment... sweat.gif
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I'm curious regarding index funds. Low cost index funds can be bought in malaysia ? Any platforms?
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There are no low cost funds domiciled in Malaysia. They are mainly US products.

Some forumers here open online trading with some foreign stock-broking account to buy US ETFs (DIY option).

If you like hand-holding, then seek a License Financial Planner to open an account with some offshore trust (e.g. Premier Assurance Trust domiciled in British Virgin Island) to buy into Vanguard / Spyder / IShare low cost index mutual funds.

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https://www.imoney.my/articles/how-to-achie...our-30s-40s-50s

This is such a badly written piece... All the expected returns plug from sky. How to consistent achieve 10% returns from fixed income and 22% returns from global funds. And I blame CIMB Principal since the article is written in partnership with them mad.gif

The only good about the article is the infographic, which I wish FSM can do more *to the FSM staff who is lurking here tongue.gif *
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QUOTE(repusez @ Apr 19 2016, 10:40 AM)
public mutual are generally sold through agent, in which the sales charge is usually 6% , even though you buy through their public mutual online the service charge is the same . They only sell public mutual funds. They are pioneer in unit trust industry and thus can claim they are the biggest unit trust company.

FSM is a online platform that sells unit trust from various company like cimb, kenanga, eastspring and etc . being online they do not rely on agent and thus save on commision fee, thus their sales charges are 2% or below.

the cons is that you need to monitor and manage your own fund.
They do not sell public mutual fund.
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Some P-M agent/UTC must have misrepresented himself to you. LOL. laugh.gif

QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Apr 20 2016, 06:00 AM)
I just make up my mind to Kenanaga Growth Fund..

If such recommended funds, usually gain most of the time than loss? (based  on your past experiences)
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Depends on how lucky you are. Average person usually gain or loss 50/50 most of the time. This is the reason why people do DCA (dollar cost averaging). It is not wise to buy-and-hold for a number of years, say 5-20 years. With DCA, it is buy-buy-buy regularly throughout the 5-20 years.

QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 20 2016, 12:28 PM)
https://www.imoney.my/articles/how-to-achie...our-30s-40s-50s

This is such a badly written piece... All the expected returns plug from sky. How to consistent achieve 10% returns from fixed income and 22% returns from global funds. And I blame CIMB Principal since the article is written in partnership with them  mad.gif

The only good about the article is the infographic, which I wish FSM can do more *to the FSM staff who is lurking here  tongue.gif *
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TQ for the comment; saves me data and time to open and read the link. biggrin.gif

We are targetted audience and most of the time, it is all sales pitch... articles in FSM are no difference. Some of them may sound neutral, but I still read them cautiously; and usually they are repeats (after reading these 'financial' articles for months and years) - as how much (correct) info can one have regarding UTs.


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TQ for the comment; saves me data and time to open and read the link.  biggrin.gif

We are targetted audience and most of the time, it is all sales pitch... articles in FSM are no difference. Some of them may sound neutral, but I still read them cautiously; and usually they are repeats (after reading these 'financial' articles for months and years) - as how much (correct) info can one have regarding UTs.
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At the end of the day, all this info out there is to serve their own 'purposes'

So boss, any better source of neutral and reliable information that is well written and easy to digest? Can't stomach some of the analyst reports which eventually doesn't say anything. Not many people are willing to stick their necks out these days... in all aspects really
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 20 2016, 02:05 PM)
At the end of the day, all this info out there is to serve their own 'purposes'

So boss, any better source of neutral and reliable information that is well written and easy to digest? Can't stomach some of the analyst reports which eventually doesn't say anything. Not many people are willing to stick their necks out these days... in all aspects really
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Well, what news is really truly related to UT investment? None - if the investment objective is for the long term. Some may want to "speculate"... and some may choose not to.

I read them for general info and entertainment - so it don't have to be easy to digest, as this means nothing new and boring! smile.gif

PS. Pls don't call me 'boss' - else newbie would think I'm a moderator, or an expert. I'm just an investor sharing some experience (sometimes) and 2 cents bs (usually).


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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 20 2016, 12:28 PM)
https://www.imoney.my/articles/how-to-achie...our-30s-40s-50s

This is such a badly written piece... All the expected returns plug from sky. How to consistent achieve 10% returns from fixed income and 22% returns from global funds. And I blame CIMB Principal since the article is written in partnership with them  mad.gif

The only good about the article is the infographic, which I wish FSM can do more *to the FSM staff who is lurking here  tongue.gif *
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Hahaha. biggrin.gif 22% return from global funds (???). I think Warren Buffett also has to close shop like this.

There is just so much BS out there. This reminds me of the passage from a finance book which goes something like this.

"Everyone has an opinion about how the share market will perform in the future. These are all speculations. If the speculation/prediction is correct, then the person is hailed as a genius. If the prediction is incorrect, then the person doesn't lose anything. The correct way is for all the fund managers, financial "genius" etc. to put their money where their mouth is. EACH PERSON WILL CONTRIBUTE USD100 into a cookie jar for each and every prediction that they make. At the end of the financial year, the person making the correct prediction will take all the money from the cookie jar".


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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Apr 20 2016, 02:21 PM)
I read them for general info and entertainment - so it don't have to be easy to digest, as this means nothing new and boring!  smile.gif

PS. Pls don't call me 'boss' - else newbie would think I'm a moderator, or an expert. I'm just an investor sharing some experience (sometimes) and 2 cents bs (usually).
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Well, I was hoping to read something that helps on asset allocation because I believe that every now and then it has to be updated based on the directions of the market n growth potential
To me everyone who's more experienced n pron ably more invested than me is boss lor 😁
QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 20 2016, 05:36 PM)
Hahaha.  biggrin.gif 22% return from global funds (???). I think Warren Buffett also has to close shop like this.

There is just so much BS out there. This reminds me of the passage from a finance book which goes something like this.

"Everyone has an opinion about how the share market will perform in the future. These are all speculations. If the speculation/prediction is correct, then the person is hailed as a genius. If the prediction is incorrect, then the person doesn't lose anything. The correct way is for all the fund managers, financial "genius" etc. to put their money where their mouth is. EACH PERSON WILL CONTRIBUTE USD100 into a cookie jar for each and every prediction that they make. At the end of the financial year, the person making the correct prediction will take all the money from the cookie jar".

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I just wish Malaysia move faster in this aspect so that ppl are less dependent on quasi 'guaranteed' investments like EPF, ASx funds n tabung haji

The more retail investors know the higher quality they would demand and therefore market forces would develope better n more competitive products
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 20 2016, 10:44 PM)
Well, I was hoping to read something that helps on asset allocation because I believe that every now and then it has to be updated based on the directions of the market n growth potential
To me everyone who's more experienced n pron ably more invested than me is boss lor 😁

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okay, I just opened and read the link in your previous post, just to understand where you're coming from on 'asset allocation'. And it is a waste of time! The text in the article is too general; the graphics - only worth a fast glance as it is the opinion of the writer. Invest in gold to diversify, not exactly my cup of tea. doh.gif

Did not read it further - because it is too formulate - with set percentages for this and that; and from my past experience, any set formulas do not work, otherwise everyone would be working and living to a set rule of formulas... "must have x% in insurance, medical card, gold etc etc" - which is totally crap, and it is all sales pitch to convice us to priortise certain products and buy them over other products.

My understanding of 'asset allocation' is simple - it is diversifying a pool of mutual funds by having them in:
a) various geography (various country-specific and regional funds); and
b) various categories (ie. money-market funds, bond funds, and equity funds - which is further sub-catergorised into small & mid cap funds, large cap funds and specific sectors like real estate, mining & oil, etc etc.)

And if you have read my earlier postings in the Public Mutual thread and also here on stages of investment tied to 3 different age groups, my 2 cents opinion is that asset allocation by mm/bond/equity ratio is closely associated to age groups. The younger we are, the more risk we should take.

So I differ from you in that market direction or trend has no bearings on asset allocation - which was already pre-determined by us based on our age group, future earnings, and risk-appetite.

To update or change it every so often accordingly to market trends (a viewpoint that is usually set by our own prejudice in accepting only 'forecasts', out of many differing forecasts, that concur to our wishful thoughts)... does not seem to me a refined investment strategy.

Maybe suitable for a hit-and-run strategy for the short term of several weeks or months... to time and gain from market insight. But only if the total portfolio is quite substantial and a willingness to risk a major portion of the portfolio.

And this hit-and-run allocation can only happens if one have less than 100% in equities... in the latter age groups...

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After about 1 year in FSM, i've decided to sell off about 70% of my entire holdings. Made a loss of about 7.5% overall. Now only left with CIMB Global Titans. mad.gif
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 21 2016, 03:00 PM)
After about 1 year in FSM, i've decided to sell off about 70% of my entire holdings. Made a loss of about 7.5% overall. Now only left with CIMB Global Titans.  mad.gif
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Wow, that's a drastic move

What's your plan after this? Get a UT consultant or shy away from unit trust from now on?
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Wow, that's a drastic move

What's your plan after this? Get a UT consultant or shy away from unit trust from now on?
Nope. Won't be going into Unit Trusts. With the current market conditions, there's just too much volatility in stocks. I'll keep my Global Titans for now and sell off later but will focus more into other forms of investments.
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Nope. Won't be going into Unit Trusts. With the current market conditions, there's just too much volatility in stocks. I'll keep my Global Titans for now and sell off later but will focus more into other forms of investments.
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What other form would you recommend at the moment? Properties in Msia is really slooow at the moment
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Wow, that's a drastic move

What's your plan after this? Get a UT consultant or shy away from unit trust from now on?
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Mind sharing which UT you bought or your portfolio?
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 21 2016, 03:00 PM)
After about 1 year in FSM, i've decided to sell off about 70% of my entire holdings. Made a loss of about 7.5% overall. Now only left with CIMB Global Titans.  mad.gif
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so sorry to hear it.

but for juz 1 year+ only? UT should be for long term icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 21 2016, 03:00 PM)
After about 1 year in FSM, i've decided to sell off about 70% of my entire holdings. Made a loss of about 7.5% overall. Now only left with CIMB Global Titans.  mad.gif
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thats drastic dude. but i understand. I have a portfolio of 5 years, at the height was reaching almost 20%. but after January of this year now lingering at 3-4 per cent profit since 5 years ago. thats less than 1% annualy
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so sorry to hear it.

but for juz 1 year+ only? UT should be for long term  icon_rolleyes.gif
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ya, I agree. UT is for long term, e.g 5 to 10 years in my opinion.

For me, my UT is my retirement fund, so I am doing DCA every month.

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ya, I agree. UT is for long term, e.g 5 to 10 years in my opinion.

For me, my UT is my retirement fund, so I am doing DCA every month.
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May i know......
How long have in been investing in ut?
What is the est IRR till now?
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May i know......
How long have in been investing in ut?
What is the est IRR till now?
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not too long, only 6 months cause I just started to work since August last year, the up to date IRR is -9%, but i only invest in one UT, which is Global titan fund.
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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Apr 22 2016, 09:52 AM)
not too long, only 6 months cause I just started to work since August last year, the up to date IRR is -9%, but i only invest in one UT, which is Global titan fund.
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Ok.....noted
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My 2 cents worth...please do not rely on unit trusts alone as your retirement fund. This is especially so if we are investing in actively managed funds and not low cost index funds. The performance of the unit trusts will depend on the fund managers, who will come and go.

Treat unit trusts as one of your baskets of investment. Some investors like Mark Mobius invest 1/3 in property, 1/3 in cash and 1/3 in unit trusts.


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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 21 2016, 09:59 PM)
so sorry to hear it.

but for juz 1 year+ only? UT should be for long term  icon_rolleyes.gif
Yes understood. What u're saying is correct. UT is long term.

But even if its long term, what kind of returns are we actually looking at? The way the world's economy is going, we are no longer in a bull market. We're basically drifting in and out of bear market and its going to stay that way till at least next year.

12 months ago, if I had invested my FSM funds into say ASB, I would have made a net profit of RM11K. But now, ive lost 9K. That's a wipe out of 20K of my potential NAV.

Not blaming UT investments but what i've learnt is that UT investments is based on timing of your entry. U cannot enter when the market has just started a downturn and surely not before the bottom is reached. All those here who made decent returns entered when the market was still on a bull run. But then again, any investment e.g properties, share market, UT all would have made decent returns during a bull run anyway.

Right now, the market is no where near a bottom. We have not seen the bottom yet. I kept telling myself many times over the past year that the worst is over, but the market always surprised me after that.

I'm still holding on to my CIMB Global Titans and may go into UT more aggressively when the market improves in the future but for now there are better investments out there which deliver a better return in the current economic climate.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Apr 22 2016, 11:54 AM)
Yes understood. What u're saying is correct. UT is long term.

But even if its long term, what kind of returns are we actually looking at? The way the world's economy is going, we are no longer in a bull market. We're basically drifting in and out of bear market and its going to stay that way till at least next year.

12 months ago, if I had invested my FSM funds into say ASB, I would have made a net profit of RM11K. But now, ive lost 9K. That's a wipe out of 20K of my potential NAV.

Not blaming UT investments but what i've learnt is that UT investments is based on timing of your entry. U cannot enter when the market has just started a downturn and surely not before the bottom is reached. All those here who made decent returns entered when the market was still on a bull run. But then again, any investment e.g properties, share market, UT all would have made decent returns during a bull run anyway.

Right now, the market is no where near a bottom. We have not seen the bottom yet. I kept telling myself many times over the past year that the worst is over, but the market always surprised me after that.

I'm still holding on to my CIMB Global Titans and may go into UT more aggressively when the market improves in the future but for now there are better investments out there which deliver a better return in the current economic climate.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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.. and this is why the typical "investor" makes little $ from mutual funds or unit trust.

1. Expectations - realistically?
5%pa to 9%pa ON LONG TERM AVERAGE
note - purposely CAPITALIZED.
Ever heard of the joke of a 6' man drowning in a river with AVERAGE depth of 5'?
the deepest part can be >6', the shallowest part can be <1"
Get it?
Like UTs/mutual funds - the average is average BUT the tail end can be -50%pa and +80%pa (yup - literally experienced those numbers before)

2. Good time to go in is when market is on a bull run?
Bull kaka - good time to go in MORE is when kaka has hit OR hitting the fan
I still don't understand the logic of people PURPOSELY wanting to buy / buy more when prices/cost is up
VS
purposely buying more when prices are down, just like... SALES in ISETAN, TESCO, etc

3. Drifting markets no good?
Even in drifting markets - the equities held (assuming equity funds) still do business, still makes profits (assuming good Companies/biz la), pays dividends, etc.
So, hold back and don't invest until?
for how long?

Sorry ar boss - not purposely picking on your post (not U too).
Just that there seems to be so much HOO HAAH when markets are running up BUT phtui when down.
I get a "stimulated" with market downs and side-ways heheh

No right/wrong - just.. huh? compared to obvious logic to me notworthy.gif

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Guys, sorry for disturbing. Noob question. If I buy and hold no transaction done, will FSM charge me the annual management charge?
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Guys, sorry for disturbing. Noob question. If I buy and hold no transaction done, will FSM charge me the annual management charge?
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Management fee is charged by the fund management company for deciding and executing the investment strategy, so yes, have to pay, the NAV is already net of management fee so you won't see a separate charge
There is also trustee fees for trustee holding the investment and executing the buy/sell instructions coming from fund managers. Deducted from NAV daily also
There are other expenses too. So one of the measure to compare would be to look at AER (Annual expense ratio) to gauge.

As for holding fee, FSM call that platform fee. For FSM Malaysia, they charge for certain bond fund such as RHB Asian Total Return Funds; at 0.05% per annum

Personally these are secondary consideration; the first would be whether they can provide superior returns. If cannot deliver returns, free also no point

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Too many funds blush.gif
Almost all the popular funds mention here also I have... definitely not a good example
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 22 2016, 02:13 PM)
Management fee is charged by the fund management company for deciding and executing the investment strategy, so yes, have to pay, the NAV is already net of management fee so you won't see a separate charge
There is also trustee fees for trustee holding the investment and executing the buy/sell instructions coming from fund managers. Deducted from NAV daily also
There are other expenses too. So one of the measure to compare would be to look at AER (Annual expense ratio) to gauge.

As for holding fee, FSM call that platform fee. For FSM Malaysia, they charge for certain bond fund such as RHB Asian Total Return Funds; at 0.05% per annum

Personally these are secondary consideration; the first would be whether they can provide superior returns. If cannot deliver returns, free also no point
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Cause I am thinking if we are holding the fund (there's no buy and sell transaction) and every year kena say annual charge of 1%, out returns already reduce by 1% already.
So let me get it straight. if the fund does not have extra charges other than the annual charges which are already factor into the NAV, we will not be deducted anything right?
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Cause I am thinking if we are holding the fund (there's no buy and sell transaction) and every year kena say annual charge of 1%, out returns already reduce by 1% already.
So let me get it straight. if the fund does not have extra charges other than the annual charges which are already factor into the NAV, we will not be deducted anything right?
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I guess thats the reason y ppl prefer low cost index funds. But as per sifus here malaysia dun have low cost or performing ones
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 22 2016, 02:23 PM)
Cause I am thinking if we are holding the fund (there's no buy and sell transaction) and every year kena say annual charge of 1%, out returns already reduce by 1% already.
So let me get it straight. if the fund does not have extra charges other than the annual charges which are already factor into the NAV, we will not be deducted anything right?
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There will also hv other charges beside the annual mgmt fees. Ex... trustee fees. See the fund prospectus for more info.
To me, these fees r too minimal for concern....as it had been reflected in the nav.....
The funds frequent changing of stocks holding will incurred more cost...n the skill of fund selection n luck in the mkts timing will be my concern


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 22 2016, 02:23 PM)
Cause I am thinking if we are holding the fund (there's no buy and sell transaction) and every year kena say annual charge of 1%, out returns already reduce by 1% already.
So let me get it straight. if the fund does not have extra charges other than the annual charges which are already factor into the NAV, we will not be deducted anything right?
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Yes, for FSM MY at the moment, holding does not cost you anything. But FSM singapore charges platform fee for equity funds as well. So in the future, who knows

Well, the annual management charge is to pay salary of the fund managers la. You want them to work for free? By the way, your beloved ASx fixed price funds also charges management fees and trustee fees as well, just that the AER is lower as the fund size is really huge compared to variable price UTs
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I guess thats the reason y ppl prefer low cost index funds. But as per sifus here malaysia dun have low cost or performing ones
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dude.. U want INDEX style & lowest fees pa%?
go ETF lar - bursa ada
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dude.. U want INDEX style & lowest fees pa%?
go ETF lar - bursa ada
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I am not good with investments, not my field not familar with it. Any nice platform like fsm that i can buy etf. I'm sorry if my question is redundant, not faniliar with it
Ie how do i buy bursa etf safely and easily with minumum cost

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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 22 2016, 02:35 PM)
There will also hv other charges beside the annual mgmt fees. Ex... trustee fees. See the fund prospectus for more info.
To me, these fees r too minimal for concern....as it had been reflected in the nav.....
The funds frequent changing of stocks holding will incurred more cost...n the skill of fund selection n luck in the mkts timing will be my concern
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Ok. Understood. Thanks.

QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 22 2016, 02:37 PM)
Yes, for FSM MY at the moment, holding does not cost you anything. But FSM singapore charges platform fee for equity funds as well. So in the future, who knows

Well, the annual management charge is to pay salary of the fund managers la. You want them to work for free? By the way, your beloved ASx fixed price funds also charges management fees and trustee fees as well, just that the AER is lower as the fund size is really huge compared to variable price UTs
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I know. But my original value and the yearly returns are not changing. So not my concern.
Was wondering whether FSM will show that annual charge in the fund or it is all behind the scene.

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 22 2016, 02:37 PM)
Yes, for FSM MY at the moment, holding does not cost you anything. But FSM singapore charges platform fee for equity funds as well. So in the future, who knows

Well, the annual management charge is to pay salary of the fund managers la. You want them to work for free? By the way, your beloved ASx fixed price funds also charges management fees and trustee fees as well, just that the AER is lower as the fund size is really huge compared to variable price UTs
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To add further... the most misunderstood issue regarding UT is these annual fees; and partly the misinformation was due to the undue prominence of the fees stated in the prospectus, and also due to big fund companies in USA that hype on their very low annual fees.

The undue attention was also spread by newbies and misinformed folks parroting and/or comparing the fees during their short listing of UT funds to invest.

The annual management and trustee fees have to be stated in the prospectus because of regulations. How important are they to investors? None and immaterial. What is relevant to the investor is the possible returns.

For example, when placing money into fixed deposits, the consideration is on the rate of interest, be it 3.6% or 4.2%; nothing else. No one care how, where and what the banks do with the deposits. For all we know, the banks could be making obscenely huge profits from our deposits and trimming off 4 or 6 or 10% before giving out the 3.6%.


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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Apr 22 2016, 03:19 PM)
To add further... the most misunderstood issue regarding UT is these annual fees; and partly the misinformation was due to the undue prominence of the fees stated in the prospectus, and also due to big fund companies in USA that hype on their very low annual fees.

The undue attention was also spread by newbies and misinformed folks parroting and/or comparing the fees during their short listing of UT funds to invest.

The annual management and trustee fees have to be stated in the prospectus because of regulations. How important are they to investors? None and immaterial. What is relevant to the investor is the possible returns.

For example, when placing money into fixed deposits, the consideration is on the rate of interest, be it 3.6% or 4.2%; nothing else. No one care how, where and what the banks do with the deposits. For all we know, the banks could be making obscenely huge profits from our deposits and trimming off 4 or 6 or 10% before giving out the 3.6%.
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By that, your point is??? confused.gif confused.gif
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By that, your point is???  confused.gif  confused.gif
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I am trying to understand how the UT works.

If i have fund A i enter at RM1 a unit, and I have 100 unit. And 1 hold it for 20 years,
the fund volatile and move up and down maybe peaked at RM 5 per unit, but I cash out after 20 years at RM 2 per unit. I only make extra 100 bucks ?

Even though during the 20 years it was a RM5 per unit, but I don't enjoy any benefit cause I didn't cash it out?
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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Apr 22 2016, 05:55 PM)
I am trying to understand how the UT works.

If i have fund A i enter at RM1 a unit, and I have 100 unit. And 1 hold it for 20 years,
the fund volatile and move up and down maybe peaked at RM 5 per unit, but I cash out after 20 years at RM 2 per unit. I only make extra 100 bucks ?

Even though during the 20 years it was a RM5 per unit, but I don't enjoy any benefit cause I didn't cash it out?
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Yes, that's correct. Just like buying gold, nothing happens till we sell the gold. How high was the peak price is not relevant any more - all paper gains. And in the same respect, how low was the bottom price is not relevant any more - paper lost.

The actual gains (or lost) is when it was sold at the price it was sold.


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Sometimes the FSM apps a bit slower on the reporting NAV price, are you guys experiencing the same thing.

E.g. Today, it still shows 20 April prices. (non US fund)

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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Apr 22 2016, 05:55 PM)
I am trying to understand how the UT works.

If i have fund A i enter at RM1 a unit, and I have 100 unit. And 1 hold it for 20 years,
the fund volatile and move up and down maybe peaked at RM 5 per unit, but I cash out after 20 years at RM 2 per unit. I only make extra 100 bucks ?

Even though during the 20 years it was a RM5 per unit, but I don't enjoy any benefit cause I didn't cash it out?
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You example... peaks at rm5 but eventually drops to rm2 (assuming no distribution).
This can happen to single stocks, but less likely for a fund due to diversification.

Btw, 100% return in 20 years is very bad. If CAGR is 8%, you expect the value to double in 9 years.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 22 2016, 12:06 PM)
.. and this is why the typical "investor" makes little $ from mutual funds or unit trust.

1. Expectations - realistically?
5%pa to 9%pa ON LONG TERM AVERAGE
note - purposely CAPITALIZED.
Ever heard of the joke of a 6' man drowning in a river with AVERAGE depth of 5'?
the deepest part can be >6', the shallowest part can be <1"
Get it?
Like UTs/mutual funds - the average is average BUT the tail end can be -50%pa and +80%pa (yup - literally experienced those numbers before)

2. Good time to go in is when market is on a bull run?
Bull kaka - good time to go in MORE is when kaka has hit OR hitting the fan
I still don't understand the logic of people PURPOSELY wanting to buy / buy more when prices/cost is up
VS
purposely buying more when prices are down, just like... SALES in ISETAN, TESCO, etc

3. Drifting markets no good?
Even in drifting markets - the equities held (assuming equity funds) still do business, still makes profits (assuming good Companies/biz la), pays dividends, etc.
So, hold back and don't invest until?
for how long?

Sorry ar boss - not purposely picking on your post (not U too).
Just that there seems to be so much HOO HAAH when markets are running up BUT phtui when down.
I get a "stimulated" with market downs and side-ways heheh

No right/wrong - just.. huh? compared to obvious logic to me notworthy.gif
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http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/y...?type=Corporate
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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Apr 22 2016, 05:55 PM)
I am trying to understand how the UT works.

If i have fund A i enter at RM1 a unit, and I have 100 unit. And 1 hold it for 20 years,
the fund volatile and move up and down maybe peaked at RM 5 per unit, but I cash out after 20 years at RM 2 per unit. I only make extra 100 bucks ?

Even though during the 20 years it was a RM5 per unit, but I don't enjoy any benefit cause I didn't cash it out?
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Apr 22 2016, 06:28 PM)
Yes, that's correct. Just like buying gold, nothing happens till we sell the gold. How high was the peak price is not relevant any more - all paper gains. And in the same respect, how low was the bottom price is not relevant any more - paper lost.

The actual gains (or lost)  is when it was sold at the price it was sold.
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Actually, that's not quite accurate. Its just a misconception that noob UTCs perpetuate to get their clients to buy new funds, switch etc.

Apart from market forces, the unit price drops (significantly) when
1. the manager decides to split the units, eg : 100 units @ NAV1.00 => 200 units @ NAV0.50
2. the manager declares distibutions eg : 100 units @ NAV1.00 declares 0.01 distribution/unit => 100 units @ NAV0.99 + RM1.00 distribution

With that being said, NAV is purely a reflection of how much it cost to buy a unit in the fund right yesterday. I would strongly suggest tracking performance using MYR values instead.
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Apr 23 2016, 02:27 AM)
Actually, that's not quite accurate. Its just a misconception that noob UTCs perpetuate to get their clients to buy new funds, switch etc.

Apart from market forces, the unit price drops (significantly) when
1. the manager decides to split the units, eg : 100 units @ NAV1.00 => 200 units @ NAV0.50
2. the manager declares distibutions eg : 100 units @ NAV1.00 declares 0.01 distribution/unit => 100 units @ NAV0.99 + RM1.00 distribution

With that being said, NAV is purely a reflection of how much it cost to buy a unit in the fund right yesterday. I would strongly suggest tracking performance using  MYR values instead.
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Hi,

Just need to figure out as below:-

a) How reliable is the Bid-to-Bid Annualized Return analysis? If shows uptrend, much of the time they gain profit?

b) What they mean as below?
"The performance figures in the table above are calculated using bid-to-bid prices, with any income or dividends reinvested. Performance figures of over 1 year are annualised.(Eg. A 33.1% gain in 3 years works out to a 10% gain per year when annualised.)"


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QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Apr 23 2016, 07:53 AM)
Hi,

Just need to figure out as below:-

a) How reliable is the Bid-to-Bid Annualized Return analysis? If shows uptrend, much of the time they gain profit?

b) What they mean as below?
"The performance figures in the table above are calculated using bid-to-bid prices, with any income or dividends reinvested. Performance figures of over 1 year are annualised.(Eg. A 33.1% gain in 3 years works out to a 10% gain per year when annualised.)"
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while waiting for value added responses....I found this while googling...
How to calculate NET annualized returns ( ie. after deducting Fundsupermart sales charge)
note the responses from "weiji"....
https://www.fundsupermart.com/main/communit...d=000981&page=1

https://www.fundsupermart.com/main/communit...d=001626&page=1

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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 23 2016, 08:07 AM)
while waiting for value added responses....I found this while googling...
How to calculate NET annualized returns ( ie. after deducting Fundsupermart sales charge)
note the responses from "weiji"....
https://www.fundsupermart.com/main/communit...d=000981&page=1

https://www.fundsupermart.com/main/communit...d=001626&page=1
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What's the best benefits in terms of return if we put money in RHB Cash Management Fund 2 or shall we direct GIRO to our account instead?

Assume GIRO in our saving account getting normal interest rate.
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What's the best benefits in terms of return if we put money in RHB Cash Management Fund 2 or shall we direct GIRO to our account instead?

Assume GIRO in our saving account getting normal interest rate.
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No need Giro or RHB Cash management fund. Maybank eGIA-i with 4% returns. Flexible and instant withdrawal. No penalty. You will still be given 4% p.a for the duration you put (days/weeks)
Downside is not protected by PIDM, principals and returns are not protected, upon uplifting, whatever balance you have, you will need to place back into eGIA-i to earn 4%.

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Put few times of rm1k inside. If you need, just withdraw whatever you need and make a new placement with the balance.
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Cybermaster,

You told us that your NAV dropped and you have been in the UTF market for one year thereabout.

Please note that in Q1-Y2016, all indices were affected. Not one was spared. So no matter where you put your money, it would have wiped out your gain in that one year.

That is the nature of investing and time and time again investment professionals and gurus always say that investment gain is due to the "time spent in the market" and not timing the market.

For example, for those who invested since 2013, their NAV should hold up quite well.

If I were to be able to peek at WMK's portfolio whom has been investing in UTF > 10 years, I am sure his NAV is still very much positive right? Paging WMK!

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Cybermaster,

You told us that your NAV dropped and you have been in the UTF  market for one year thereabout.

Please note that in Q1-Y2016, all indices were affected. Not one was spared. So no matter where you put your money, it would have wiped out your gain in that one year.

That is the nature of investing and time and time again investment professionals and gurus always say that investment gain is due to the "time spent in the market" and not timing the market.

For example, for those who invested since 2013, their NAV should hold up quite well.

If I were to be able to peek at WMK's portfolio whom has been investing in UTF > 10 years, I am sure his NAV is still very much positive right? Paging WMK!

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Yeah. Also curious to know Sifu Wong IRR. Living example of someone in UT for > 10 years.

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I'm still happy to keep my KGF and top up every month - top up same amount every month, maybe more if there's any significant drop.

Same approach I take with my overseas holdings also - the mistake I made before was stay away from markets for too long and sitting on a lot of cash (earning pretty much 0% interest)
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I'm still happy to keep my KGF and top up every month - top up same amount every month, maybe more if there's any significant drop.

Same approach I take with my overseas holdings also - the mistake I made before was stay away from markets for too long and sitting on a lot of cash (earning pretty much 0% interest)
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When world market takes a tumble, the fund managers comes into Malaysia to take a breather, some form of R&R for their funds under management.

When world market start to rally, the fund manager knows that when they sell back the Malaysian stocks, the local big boys i.e., KWAP, KWSP, LTAT, LTH, Khazanah, PNB will all come and support the local bourse.

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QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Apr 23 2016, 07:53 AM)
Hi,

Just need to figure out as below:-

a) How reliable is the Bid-to-Bid Annualized Return analysis? If shows uptrend, much of the time they gain profit?

b) What they mean as below?
"The performance figures in the table above are calculated using bid-to-bid prices, with any income or dividends reinvested. Performance figures of over 1 year are annualised.(Eg. A 33.1% gain in 3 years works out to a 10% gain per year when annualised.)"
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I have no point of reference to what you're asking. Screencap or link, maybe ?
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QUOTE(allenpee85 @ Apr 23 2016, 07:53 AM)
Hi,

Just need to figure out as below:-

a) How reliable is the Bid-to-Bid Annualized Return analysis? If shows uptrend, much of the time they gain profit?

b) What they mean as below?
"The performance figures in the table above are calculated using bid-to-bid prices, with any income or dividends reinvested. Performance figures of over 1 year are annualised.(Eg. A 33.1% gain in 3 years works out to a 10% gain per year when annualised.)"
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Not sure why they say "bid-to-bid prices" when the "NAV/unit" is the more common term. NAV/unit is Net Asset Value per unit, or in short unit price.

As mentioned above, the unit price is not only affected by market movement, but can change due to unit splits and distribution income when the distributed income is reinvested into more units. More units for the same net asset value, hence the unit price changes (drops).

So unlike gold, we can't simply look at the unit price and calculate the gain/lost from the differences between the initial price and the current price.

So if there is any charts solely on the movement of the unit price, I would choose to ignore it, and look at charts that show the performance in % returns. I would still be cautious on the accuracy of the chart in % returns especially if it is done by a blogger or 3rd-party unless the data and info was supplied to them by the fund house.

Because the unit price after an income distribution is affected by the extra reinvested units as well as the daily price movement. So it is not easy to figure out the actual gain/loss without any info by the fund house itself.

So back to the question on how reliable is the figures... well, they should be accurate as the figures are usually taken from monthly/quarterly/annual reports released by the fund houses.

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Hero or Zero... the verdict is still out.

There is no right or wrong way to invest... if you're feeling you are born lucky and willing to take the risk, then by all means plunge in and speculate... don't let others deter you from making some fast money. Let them look in envy when the market crashes 20%. laugh.gif

I would only give my 2 cents that we should not forget the initial financial objective that was set. If the objective was to speculate for fast returns, then don't change it mid way to buy-and-hold. Use the hit-and-run method as said by someone when we were in Genting.

Me: "We have several hours to play till the early morning."
Pro: "Why set the clock? You want to gamble to kill time or gamble to win?"
Me: "huh???"
Pro: "If win big, run lah! Why still want to continue, for entertainment, is it?"

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And with almost zero sales charge (and zero exit fee), perfect platform to speculate and buy and sell... maybe better than switching to and fro from mm funds without bothering to check whether there is any switching fee or not.


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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 23 2016, 11:11 AM)
Cybermaster,

You told us that your NAV dropped and you have been in the UTF  market for one year thereabout.

Please note that in Q1-Y2016, all indices were affected. Not one was spared. So no matter where you put your money, it would have wiped out your gain in that one year.

That is the nature of investing and time and time again investment professionals and gurus always say that investment gain is due to the "time spent in the market" and not timing the market.

For example, for those who invested since 2013, their NAV should hold up quite well.

If I were to be able to peek at WMK's portfolio whom has been investing in UTF > 10 years, I am sure his NAV is still very much positive right? Paging WMK!

Xuzen
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kennot make $ wan (exact same words from an ex-MAA agent, then trying to sell land banking to my buddy)
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thus went into ETFs (cheap mgt fees but have to know the countries' tax rules) & trading options (dang work.. setting up pasar malam nearly every day)
from UT/MF & stocks
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but hor.. still buying UT/MF bwhahaah (energy, Emerging, Developed).. like old flame lor sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 23 2016, 11:45 AM)
Yeah. Also curious to know Sifu Wong IRR. Living example of someone in UT for > 10 years.
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see-food (not seafood too, i see-food, eat-food tongue.gif ) lar bro
no sifu here
just big "L" plate, on my forehead (yo yo busta ryhme) icon_rolleyes.gif

i don't track total IRR or XIRR for mutual funds wor - just each individual funds & per transaction
eg of highlights.
my PRS (been in since May 2013), excluding my tax relief (ie. being tracked as normal UT/MF) is floating around 8%-10%pa range.

my old flame (>10 years held/pumped in.. er.. that doesn't sound too right tongue.gif )
PruSmallCaps.. oops.. sorry honey, nama glamour ESI SmallCaps, still in the 15%pa-17%pa

my Tits fell to 8%-13%pa

my lousiest currently is that energy fund lor
-7%pa to 73%pa (er.. the crazy numbers are due to me plonking in 2015 last quarter till 2016 Feb)

the rest are in between my Tits/PRS to energy fund

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Apr 23 2016, 03:38 PM)
Hero or Zero... the verdict is still out.

There is no right or wrong way to invest... if you're feeling you are born lucky and willing to take the risk, then by all means plunge in and speculate... don't let others deter you from making some fast money. Let them look in envy when the market crashes 20%.  laugh.gif

I would only give my 2 cents that we should not forget the initial financial objective that was set. If the objective was to speculate for fast returns, then don't change it mid way to buy-and-hold. Use the hit-and-run method as said by someone when we were in Genting.

Me: "We have several hours to play till the early morning."
Pro: "Why set the clock? You want to gamble to kill time or gamble to win?"
Me: "huh???"
Pro: "If win big, run lah! Why still want to continue, for entertainment, is it?"

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And with almost zero sales charge (and zero exit fee), perfect platform to speculate and buy and sell... maybe better than switching to and fro from mm funds without bothering to check whether there is any switching fee or not.
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Thank you odor being giving good points especially investors like us.

On FSM, there is no charges on the switching fee? Any limitations?

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odor ??? smile.gif

Best to read the FAQs in their website; as FSM is a platform of many fund houses with different fees and rules... which can also change from time to time... pointless for anyone to make any off the cuff remarks or regugitate info learnt previously.

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anyone holding TA global technology fund? investing in Microsoft/fb/apple stocks etc (majority US stocks). bank agent recommend this UT
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anyone holding TA global technology fund? investing in Microsoft/fb/apple stocks etc (majority US stocks). bank agent recommend this UT
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I had this fund but sold it off already after making some profit. I think it has a positive correlation of more 0.90 with CIMB Global Titans, Eastspring Global Leaders Fund and the RHB-OSK US Equity fund.

If you don't mind having overlapping funds and need an aggressive subsidiary fund, then you can consider buying it.
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I have sold off my remaining TA European Equity Fund. Going to cut down gradually on my equity funds and buy more bond funds.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 25 2016, 05:19 PM)
I have sold off my remaining TA European Equity Fund. Going to cut down gradually on my equity funds and buy more bond funds.
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So what allocation ratio are you revising towards?

I was going to switch sell GEYF to RHB Islamic Bond at 2.50pm just now. Then arrive at the page that notified me that switching to bond fund also cost me RM25 vmad.gif

Then I hesitated and did not proceed with the transaction. Since you are the expert in switching, what are my other options? Sell to CMF and buy islamic bond?
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 25 2016, 05:17 PM)
I had this fund but sold it off already after making some profit. I think it has a positive correlation of more 0.90 with CIMB Global Titans, Eastspring Global Leaders Fund and the RHB-OSK US Equity fund.

If you don't mind having overlapping funds and need an aggressive subsidiary fund, then you can consider buying it.
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 25 2016, 05:29 PM)
So what allocation ratio are you revising towards?

I was going to switch sell GEYF to RHB Islamic Bond at 2.50pm just now. Then arrive at the page that notified me that switching to bond fund also cost me RM25  vmad.gif

Then I hesitated and did not proceed with the transaction. Since you are the expert in switching, what are my other options? Sell to CMF and buy islamic bond?
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Sorry, apa itu GEYF?

I am now currently only at 10.63% in bond funds. If follow my heart, I want to have 100% bond funds. If follow my brain, then it should be 60% bond funds and 40% equity funds. smile.gif

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 25 2016, 05:54 PM)
Sorry, apa itu GEYF?

I am now currently only at 10.63% in bond funds. If follow my heart, I want to have 100% bond funds. If follow my brain, then it should be 60% bond funds and 40% equity funds.  smile.gif
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RHB Global Equity Yield Fund, not popular anymore

I'm holding a lot of cash, like 20% over the portfolio... now IRR lagging because of that sweat.gif but better than suffer losses I guess
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 25 2016, 06:14 PM)
RHB Global Equity Yield Fund, not popular anymore

I'm holding a lot of cash, like 20% over the portfolio... now IRR lagging because of that  sweat.gif but better than suffer losses I guess
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Ah, I see. You can try the method below. But I cannot guarantee whether it will work or not ah. Please don't click if there is still a switching fee of RM25.


Option 1


RHB GEYF = RHB Money Market Fund = RHB Islamic Bond Fund

If Option 1 cannot work after the RHB Money Market Fund stage, then move to Option 2.

Option 2

RHB GEYF = RHB Money Money Market Fund = Cash Management Fund = RHB Islamic Bond Fund.

Note : 1. No matter whether you use Option 1 or Option 2, you will surely get the credit points.

2. Cash is also an investment class by itself. There is nothing wrong with holding cash in the short run while waiting for better opportunities to invest. thumbup.gif

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I have sold off my remaining TA European Equity Fund. Going to cut down gradually on my equity funds and buy more bond funds.
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select well my friend.....
top 3 are "recommended funds"
for the past 6 months....
"they moves like EQ funds"


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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 25 2016, 08:51 PM)
select well my friend.....
top 3 are "recommended funds"
for the past 6 months....
"they moves like EQ funds"
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wa.. bond fund for the past 6 months very unstable?

i currently only have 1 bond fund, affin hwang select bond fund. past 6 months +2%.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 25 2016, 08:57 PM)
wa.. bond fund for the past 6 months very unstable?

i currently only have 1 bond fund, affin hwang select bond fund. past 6 months +2%.
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hmm.gif I think Mr Ramjade will do this doh.gif when he read tis....
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hmm.gif I think Mr Ramjade will do this  doh.gif when he read tis....
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No I will say, 2% better put 3 months FD. At least can get >4.0%p.a returns. Less headache. More liquid than bond.
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Many famous investors like Warren Buffett and Peter Lynch disliked tech stocks.
IBM is OK, because it's and old firm, not sexy any more.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 25 2016, 08:51 PM)
select well my friend.....
top 3 are "recommended funds"
for the past 6 months....
"they moves like EQ funds"
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Tell me about it bro. No where to run, no where to hide.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 25 2016, 09:07 PM)
No I will say, 2% better put 3 months FD. At least can get >4.0%p.a returns. Less headache. More liquid than bond.
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haha true. but we cannot time the market, if i knew UT's return will be so low (some even - returns), i would have dumped everything into FD biggrin.gif

this Bond is just to diversify my UT, if follow my heart, i will go for 100% equity. lol
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RHB Global Equity Yield Fund, not popular anymore

I'm holding a lot of cash, like 20% over the portfolio... now IRR lagging because of that  sweat.gif but better than suffer losses I guess
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Gosh you guys are selling?

i just whacked 10k GTitans today since my Gtitans has been in red(-9.9%)
Got balance 17k 0% fee quota to go, any suggestion what is good to pick up?

RHB GEY was high last year >0.52.........,but mine is still +6.3% , advisable to sell and run??

thanks.


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The stock market has traditionally swung from periods of euphoria into bouts of pervasive panic, with the most recent crash in China's equity market, which has seen a spectacular rally since the end of 2014, still fresh in our minds.
While it is important to determine the right assets to invest in during times of uncertainty and heightened market volatility, gaining a basic understanding of your own investor profile is also equally important in attaining your investment objectives.
At this current juncture, when markets remain volatile, it may be a suitable time to give it some thought. There are as many types of investors as there are instruments to invest in.
Do you know what your profile is?


http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...-1-Apr-16--6957
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Apr 25 2016, 10:37 PM)
Gosh you guys are selling?

i just whacked 10k  GTitans today since my Gtitans has been in red(-9.9%)
Got balance 17k 0% fee quota to go, any suggestion what is good to pick up?

RHB GEY was high last year >0.52.........,but mine is still +6.3% , advisable to sell and run??

thanks.
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hmm.gif just allocate to your desired % of a diversified allocation.....(add another 5% to that market that is lowest on valuation)
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hmm.gif just allocate to your desired % of a diversified allocation.....(add another 5% to that market that is lowest on valuation)
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say this is your portfolio, and you have free money RM17k to buy, what will u choose
all comments welcomed.
actually me no real investor, the way i did it is more like main tikam tikam.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Apr 25 2016, 11:07 PM)
say this is your portfolio, and you have free money RM17k to buy, what will u choose
all comments welcomed.
actually me no real investor, the way i did it is more like main tikam tikam.
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wow...that is some serious money you got there..... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
may I suggest you use the Polarzbearz worksheet, downloadable from page # 1
read and understand how to use it....
after you had keyed in the required info....
wah-lah...a great view to see how your countries/region of allocation are.

from your current FSM a/c view...now much details of how and where yr money goes...
need to some calculation and reading of each fund fact sheet to see how it goes....

with that money....try talk to FSM CIS?

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 25 2016, 05:19 PM)
I have sold off....cut down gradually on my equity funds and buy more bond funds.
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hmm.gif you just talked a few hours ago....
Bloomberg came out with this just now.....

It's Dangerous Out There in the Bond Market
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...ackrock-allianz

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Apr 25 2016, 10:37 PM)
Gosh you guys are selling?

i just whacked 10k  GTitans today since my Gtitans has been in red(-9.9%)
Got balance 17k 0% fee quota to go, any suggestion what is good to pick up?

RHB GEY was high last year >0.52.........,but mine is still +6.3% , advisable to sell and run??

thanks.
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Oops, not my intention to cause panic here. I've held GEYF for a while and its performance is just lackluster. So wanted to jump ship and put it into GTF la. Not exiting yet. But this RHB switching charges is quite annoying vmad.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 26 2016, 09:38 AM)
Oops, not my intention to cause panic here. I've held GEYF for a while and its performance is just lackluster. So wanted to jump ship and put it into GTF la. Not exiting yet. But this RHB switching charges is quite annoying  vmad.gif
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Why you mati-mati want to go RHB? Eastspring tarak switching charge, AM asset management tarak, CIMB principle tarak, Affin-Hwang tarak.....

Use your power of consumer: boycott! It is not like they are the only UTMC around.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 25 2016, 05:19 PM)
I have sold off my remaining TA European Equity Fund. Going to cut down gradually on my equity funds and buy more bond funds.
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So, which bond fund you are looking at? Lai lai... come come with me go look at Libra Asnita Bond.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 26 2016, 02:25 PM)
Why you mati-mati want to go RHB? Eastspring tarak switching charge, AM asset management tarak, CIMB principle tarak, Affin-Hwang tarak.....

Use your power of consumer: boycott! It is not like they are the only UTMC around.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 26 2016, 02:33 PM)
So, which bond fund you are looking at? Lai lai... come come with me go look at Libra Asnita Bond.

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I'm a fan of RHB Islamic Bond wor.... What's the edge for Asnita over RHB islamic bond?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 25 2016, 11:31 PM)
hmm.gif you just talked a few hours ago....
Bloomberg came out with this just now.....

It's Dangerous Out There in the Bond Market
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...ackrock-allianz

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 26 2016, 02:33 PM)
So, which bond fund you are looking at? Lai lai... come come with me go look at Libra Asnita Bond.

Xuzen
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I got Libra Asnita Bond Fund and Eaststpring Bond Fund in my portfolio already. Looking for other exotic bond funds. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 26 2016, 04:21 PM)
Macam mana ni? Buy equity fund. Die. Buy bond fund. Die. I know, I know. We all buy ASM ok?  biggrin.gif
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don't buy. it's not so transparent. cheating as some people say.

better stay with FSM dry.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 26 2016, 04:21 PM)
Macam mana ni? Buy equity fund. Die. Buy bond fund. Die. I know, I know. We all buy ASM ok?  biggrin.gif
I got Libra Asnita Bond Fund and Eaststpring Bond Fund in my portfolio already. Looking for other exotic bond funds.  biggrin.gif
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Ouch... dunno what to read into the ASM line pulak

Affin Hwang select bond? At least it's partially hedged. Won't swing as much as RHB ATR. As for sales charge, boss has lots of credits anyway right? brows.gif
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Macam mana ni? Buy equity fund. Die. Buy bond fund. Die. I know, I know. We all buy ASM ok?  biggrin.gif
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I dunno u like ASM too smile.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 26 2016, 04:35 PM)
don't buy. it's not so transparent. cheating as some people say.

better stay with FSM  dry.gif
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 26 2016, 04:50 PM)
Ouch... dunno what to read into the ASM line pulak

Affin Hwang select bond? At least it's partially hedged. Won't swing as much as RHB ATR. As for sales charge, boss has lots of credits anyway right?  brows.gif
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Somehow I have accumulated more than 225,000 credit points in FSM. But I got no cash to top up anymore for my main account. I am concentrating RSP for my 2 beneficiary accounts.

I am looking at EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN HIGH YIELD BOND MY FUND - MYR HEDGED. But it is a new fund with no track record. It did well for the 1st Q with a return of 3.90%. But how it will perform for the remaining year? Nobody knows. So main tikam-tikam? Would you like to tikam with me and try out this fund? biggrin.gif

P/S: It is for qualified investors only but who is checking?

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I dunno u like ASM too  smile.gif
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See above. I buy everything. PRS, ASM, Wawasan 2020, EPF, endowment policy, FSM, Public Mutual. 1Malaysia!!!  rclxms.gif
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How about stocks n properties?
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I don't discriminate. I buy everything.  smile.gif

See above. I buy everything. PRS, ASM, Wawasan 2020, EPF, endowment policy, FSM, Public Mutual. 1Malaysia!!!  rclxms.gif
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wow semua u ada leh rclxms.gif really diversify flex.gif


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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Apr 26 2016, 05:27 PM)
How about stocks n properties?
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Property investment? I missed the boat. Now property glut. So I am holding on first.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 26 2016, 05:28 PM)
wow semua u ada leh  rclxms.gif really diversify flex.gif
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Thank kiu. Thank kiu. But did you notice one problem with my "investments"? All of it is based in Malaysia. If Malaysia = Greece, then everything will be burned.
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well u can add some foreign exposure.

but seems like not good time to enter now hmm.gif hmm.gif
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Just buy equities if still got more than 10 years into retirement.. tongue.gif
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Just buy equities if still got more than 10 years into retirement..  tongue.gif
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Just buy equities if still got more than 10 years into retirement..  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Apr 25 2016, 11:19 PM)
wow...that is some serious money you got there..... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
may I suggest you use the Polarzbearz worksheet, downloadable from page # 1
read and understand how to use it....
after you had keyed in the required info....
wah-lah...a great view to see how your countries/region of allocation are.

from your current FSM a/c view...now much details of how and where yr money goes...
need to some calculation and reading of each fund fact sheet to see how it goes....

with that money....try talk to FSM CIS?
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Thanks, FSM CIS gave very general/std advice, not much use.

I have Polarbearz's spreadsheet, but only "investment Details" and "Portfolio Snapshot" is working, i mean can see my UT there updating correctly(see attachment)

But when i click on "Portfolio Summary" , "Fund Snapshot", "Fund Allocation", they dont show my UT correctly.
How to make the "Fund snapshot", "fund allocation" work?. (see attachment-totally different UTs there)

(see attachment- instruction says- carefully copy the table structure and insert the copied cells.................and "update portfolio's details according to fact sheet."


where to get that "table structure", and how to "update portfolio's details according to fact sheet."?
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 26 2016, 09:38 AM)
Oops, not my intention to cause panic here. I've held GEYF for a while and its performance is just lackluster. So wanted to jump ship and put it into GTF la. Not exiting yet. But this RHB switching charges is quite annoying  vmad.gif
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No worry, if u are jumping to GTF, that's reassuring enuff.
I can see you guys use a lot of formula/research to decide.
so follow u guys should be quite safe right?


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Macam mana ni? Buy equity fund. Die. Buy bond fund. Die. I know, I know. We all buy ASM ok?  biggrin.gif
I got Libra Asnita Bond Fund and Eaststpring Bond Fund in my portfolio already. Looking for other exotic bond funds.  biggrin.gif
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Seriously , ASX is easier to play, buy and collect dividends, unlike UTs.
must buy more, sell ,switch this and that.

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U have how many years to go?
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Sudah bought it long long time ago la, now looking for a way to optimise it lor. Maybe the solution is just sell it outright which is what I did before
I'm a fan of RHB Islamic Bond wor.... What's the edge for Asnita over RHB islamic bond?
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Let's see:
RHB IBF:

i) Got switching fee of RM 25.00

ii) Got exit fee of 1%

Other than that is ok. Since I am a tactical player, I do not like point (ii).

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U r still very young
Btw, u benchmark retirement at 55/60 yo?
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U r still very young
Btw, u benchmark retirement at 55/60 yo?
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U r still very young
Btw, u benchmark retirement at 55/60 yo?
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What about you? You benchmark retirement at 55/60 yo?
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Wah... wah... can reveal so much la, later kena kidnap how..  tongue.gif
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What about you? You benchmark retirement at 55/60 yo?
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Updated portfolio..  Going downhill again..  sad.gif
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And here I am DCA-ing and second-guessing myself laugh.gif

So guys, once you're down, say, 7% of the value though within what you're prepared to risk, do you

i) prepare to cut loss
ii) screw it, I'll average down!
iii) look at another fund to reduce overall volatility to feel better that average is still in the green

I understand from my time here that it'll, for instance, be tiring to chase / time the market (xuzen) and continue averaging down (master Wong).

Since we all have goals in mind and don't plan to be invested forever, how should I go about making sure the longer term goals are achieved in good time?
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And here I am DCA-ing and second-guessing myself  laugh.gif

So guys, once you're down, say, 7% of the value though within what you're prepared  to risk, do you

i) prepare to cut loss
ii) screw it, I'll average down!
iii) look at another fund to reduce overall volatility to feel better that average is still in the green

I understand from my time here that it'll, for instance, be tiring to chase / time the market (xuzen) and continue averaging down (master Wong).

Since we all have goals in mind and don't plan to be invested forever, how should I go about making sure the longer term goals are achieved in good time?
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So far for the past few years... only cut lost on 2 funds which is Gold and General and Energy Fund. Rest all funds.. I just let it ride and top up small amount when seeing down trend. Sakit hati also when seeing portfolio value going down and down.. cry.gif
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 5 2016, 03:16 AM)
Affin Hwang Select SGD Income Fund?  FSM recommended fund of the month?

Pftt. I have this fund in my portfolio. Utter rubbish fund. I can't wait to get rid of it. Benchmark is 12 months FD? I should have put in the Maybank E-deposit now currently offering about 4.31% for 12 months.

P/S: It doesn't matter whether you are a gold account or platinum account holder. The usual sales fee of 2% will apply even for RSP.
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I don't see maybank offering 4.31% for 12 months?

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And here I am DCA-ing and second-guessing myself  laugh.gif

So guys, once you're down, say, 7% of the value though within what you're prepared  to risk, do you

i) prepare to cut loss
ii) screw it, I'll average down!
iii) look at another fund to reduce overall volatility to feel better that average is still in the green

I understand from my time here that it'll, for instance, be tiring to chase / time the market (xuzen) and continue averaging down (master Wong).

Since we all have goals in mind and don't plan to be invested forever, how should I go about making sure the longer term goals are achieved in good time?
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I look at point (iii). Usually UTF is benchmark hugging. When its benchmark goes up, it follows and vice-versa. When market goes up, it is easy for the UTF to go up and we all think that the FM is awesome / great / guru etc.

But the real skill is when market goes down such as time like this. Then you will really know which FM-UTF is really skillful.

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I don't discriminate. I buy everything.  smile.gif
Somehow I have accumulated more than 225,000 credit points in FSM. But I got no cash to top up anymore for my main account. I am concentrating RSP for my 2 beneficiary accounts.

I am looking at EASTSPRING INVESTMENTS ASIAN HIGH YIELD BOND MY FUND - MYR HEDGED. But it is a new fund with no track record. It did well for the 1st Q with a return of 3.90%. But how it will perform for the remaining year? Nobody knows. So main tikam-tikam? Would you like to tikam with me and try out this fund?  biggrin.gif

P/S: It is for qualified investors only but who is checking?
See above. I buy everything. PRS, ASM, Wawasan 2020, EPF, endowment policy, FSM, Public Mutual. 1Malaysia!!!  rclxms.gif
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Your point above brought to my mind something about asset allocation. I am your typical Malaysian (unker mindset). Meaning I do not have a Panama account or UHNW private banking facilities at BVI or Cayman's.

I do not own a big RM 6 Million villa or expensive cars. I work for a salary, own one MyVI, and a Honda City. One old one storey bungalow house (passed down from parent) for own domicile and an old shop for rental (also passed down from parents).

1) Notwithstanding the above, a substantial portion of my wealth is locked up in KWSP. And I know that KWSP major holding is in Malaysia Govt Bond and Large Cap Malaysian Blue Chip stocks. Therefore it is quite logical to think that my wealth is exposed to the asset described as above. As such, when I participate in KWSP-MIS program, it is therefore logical for me to choose UTF that is exposed to small and mid cap. And for fixed income portion I choose UTF that are exposed to Malaysian corporate bonds to give an even more diversified portfolio.

2) For PRS, I participate in Affin-Hwang Moderate fund. This PRS fund is Asia-Pac ex Japan exposed. Therefore when I buy cash UTF, I avoid Affin-Hwang UTFs as to avoid having duplicating holding.

3) This leaves me with gaps in the developed market (US, Eurozone, JP), Properties and Commodities. As such, for Developed market, I choose GTF as proxy to access Developed Market. For properties, I am still looking for a good REIT to invest (considering Manulife Asia-Pac REIT fund). Whereas for Commodities, I will stay at the sideline first as this asset class has been performing very badly these days.

4) I do not consider forex or holding paper currency as a proper asset class. Currency to me are just paper. They have no intrinsic value.

The above are an example of proper asset allocation.

Xuzen

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QUOTE(wonglokat @ Apr 27 2016, 08:15 AM)
And here I am DCA-ing and second-guessing myself  laugh.gif

So guys, once you're down, say, 7% of the value though within what you're prepared  to risk, do you

i) prepare to cut loss
ii) screw it, I'll average down!
iii) look at another fund to reduce overall volatility to feel better that average is still in the green

I understand from my time here that it'll, for instance, be tiring to chase / time the market (xuzen) and continue averaging down (master Wong).

Since we all have goals in mind and don't plan to be invested forever, how should I go about making sure the longer term goals are achieved in good time?
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dude - have a plan

eg
A) Accumulation phase: (maybe up to age 50? ie 5 years before planned retirement?)
IF market goes meh..
THEN.. DCA / VCA

IF market goes VIAGRA!
THEN...
eh which one went way too crazy? eg 60% net profits in less than
eh which one went way out of my Asset Allocation or sub-allocation? rebal rebal - sell high, buy low

IF market goes limp / suicide squad
THEN...
eh which one went on suicide mission due to depression/sad? can buy MORE ar? big lelong ar? or simple 10%-20% discount je?
eh which one went way out of my Asset Allocation or sub-allocation? rebal rebal - sell high, buy low

Personally i only average down on BUCKETs of investments or long time high quality companies (think Nestle, PBank, XOM, CVX, MCD, etc.). If a mutual fund goes meh meh and down for 3 years+ straight VS similar funds in that sector/country, i move the sum to another fund (same sector/country).

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B) Retired phase: (maybe up to age >=55? )
different sets of IF THEN ELSE

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C) Moving from (A.) to (B.) Bridging actions' IF THEN ELSE
different sets of IF THEN ELSE

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Simple right?
U know why the saying "Kerbaus makes $, Beruang makes $, Khinzir gets slaughtered"?
Coz "Khinzirs" don't have any plans or thoughts BEFORE hand.

Another famous thought: U shouldn't draw your fire-escape plan DURING A FIRE, right? It should be planned BEFORE it happens.

No absolute right/wrong plans ya - unless one happens to be totally illogical AND unlucky tongue.gif .
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I don't see maybank offering 4.31% for 12 months?
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It was on the Maybank onsite. The terms are:-

(1) Minimum deposit of RM10K. Lock in 12 months.
(2) E-deposit only. Meaning for Maybank 2U customers only.
(3) Promotion ends 30th April 2016 or when the fund is full, whichever comes first.

So, if you are a Maybank2U customer, just try e-deposit online and see if the promotion is still on?
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 27 2016, 04:56 PM)
It was on the Maybank onsite. The terms are:-

(1)  Minimum deposit of RM10K. Lock in 12 months.
(2)  E-deposit only. Meaning for Maybank 2U customers only.
(3)  Promotion ends 30th April 2016 or when the fund is full, whichever comes first.

So, if you are a Maybank2U customer, just try e-deposit online and see if the promotion is still on?
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Better use maybank eGIA-i. 4%. Place today, van withdraw tomorrow and still get 4%p.a interest for 1 day placement. laugh.gif more flexible.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 27 2016, 10:58 AM)
Your point above brought to my mind something about asset allocation. I am your typical Malaysian (unker mindset). Meaning I do not have a Panama account or UHNW private banking facilities at BVI or Cayman's...

The above are an example of proper asset allocation.

Xuzen
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Off topic a bit.

When I analyse some rich clients and friends to see how they became rich, it was either by:-

(1) Property investment. I am referring to long term investment with more than 5 rental properties. Not property flipping;

(2) Running their own business, being housing developer, rubber factory, electronic factory, construction line, etc.; or

(3) Inheritance because their family is rich.

Sad to say but I have not seen one person who has become rich from unit trusts investment alone. I have also not come across a person who became a millionaire from trading in shares (excluding those who became rich through insider trading or maybe playing contra?).

But having said that, speaking from experience, a white collar worker with a university degree will earn at least RM1 million in his working lifetime. Whether he will become a millionaire in his retirement age will depend on his savings and spending method, not on his investment. Without savings, there is no money to invest in the first place.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 27 2016, 05:07 PM)
Off topic a bit.

When I analyse some rich clients and friends to see how they became rich, it was either by:-

(1)   Property investment. I am referring to long term investment with more than 5 rental properties. Not property flipping;

(2)   Running their own business, being housing developer, rubber factory, electronic factory, construction line, etc.; or

(3)   Inheritance because their family is rich.

Sad to say but I have not seen one person who has become rich from unit trusts investment alone. I have also not come across a person who became a millionaire from trading in shares (excluding those who became rich through insider trading or maybe playing contra?).

But having said that, speaking from experience, a white collar worker with a university degree will earn at least RM1 million in his working lifetime. Whether he will become a millionaire in his retirement age will depend on his savings and spending method, not on his investment. Without savings, there is no money to invest in the first place.
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hehhe - i aim to be "the first" laugh.gif
Check 1. not a property enthusiast BUT have bought/rented out/sold before

Check 2. definitely NOT a businessman - i'm a 1010110 guy, nerd + introvert (except when talking about things i'm passionate about.. like $ & risk mgt, investing, usable statistical approaches to investing AND trading

Check 3. Family is typical 1 man working for $ + 1 woman working @ home for baka kids (i'm one of them)

Check 4. Not a stock trader or day trader per se but i do set aside 10%+/- for "pasar malam" (options) trading (it's tough work, not as passive as value averaging & value investing)

Realistically, i'm 100% sure i won't be the first or last - heheh, any monkey that can save >=33% of working income & 100% of invested/business income sure can hit millionaire (investment assets) status. The main fight is how one prioritize one's money allocation - some prefers a new car every 5 years (with 5 years loan), overseas vacations, etc. No right/wrong - just priorities.

The real game IMHO is USD or Pound Sterling Millionaire and.. DECA MILLIONAIRE sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 27 2016, 05:07 PM)
Off topic a bit.

When I analyse some rich clients and friends to see how they became rich, it was either by:-

(1)  Property investment. I am referring to long term investment with more than 5 rental properties. Not property flipping;

(2)  Running their own business, being housing developer, rubber factory, electronic factory, construction line, etc.; or

(3)  Inheritance because their family is rich.

Sad to say but I have not seen one person who has become rich from unit trusts investment alone. I have also not come across a person who became a millionaire from trading in shares (excluding those who became rich through insider trading or maybe playing contra?).

But having said that, speaking from experience, a white collar worker with a university degree will earn at least RM1 million in his working lifetime. Whether he will become a millionaire in his retirement age will depend on his savings and spending method, not on his investment. Without savings, there is no money to invest in the first place.
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True, true also.

I do not see UTF as a means to become rich. I see it as a vehicle to preserve wealth and to beat inflation.

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Apr 27 2016, 06:23 PM)
kgf and esiscf going red. damnnnnn
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See! See how illogical investors are! 1MDB is a bond default issue; and this cause equities to tumble.

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yep... the good thing about UT, some funds - some years they are on steroids going up, some years they go south.

For me, UT is long term - 20-30 years.. no emotion smile.gif just use DCA.
just like what Xuzen mentioned, UT is more of "preserve wealth"


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QUOTE(wkphang @ Apr 27 2016, 07:39 PM)
yep... the good thing about UT, some funds - some years they are on steroids going up, some years they go south.

For me, UT is long term - 20-30 years.. no emotion smile.gif just use DCA.
just like what Xuzen mentioned, UT is more of "preserve wealth"
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Preserving wealth? I thought that's what people say about gold. (Warren Buffett may disagree.)

UT is for growing capital. Definitely not for quick gain.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Apr 27 2016, 07:21 PM)
See! See how illogical investors are! 1MDB is a bond default issue; and this cause equities to tumble.

Xuzen
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actually all he said was 'damnnnnn'. I'm saying the exact same thing but it doesn't mean I don't know the reason or will react to this as to dump all KFG/EISC at the next chance.
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US Federal Reserve is expected to keep interest rates unchanged on Wednesday as it continues to monitor the impact from weakening global growth but may seek to signal to markets it is determined to resume policy tightening this year. dry.gif

good news rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 27 2016, 11:37 PM)
topped up for the month smile.gif
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Which fund?
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topped up for the month smile.gif
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how much & which fund?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Apr 27 2016, 11:39 PM)
Which fund?
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ponzi 1 & 2, KGF, india fund, china fund, japan fund, amb income trust fund, EI GEM, even asian income fund. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 27 2016, 11:44 PM)
ponzi 1 & 2, KGF, india fund, china fund, japan fund, amb income trust fund, EI GEM, even asian income fund.  biggrin.gif
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U have a diversified portfolios covering almost d continent
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how much & which fund?
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as above. laugh.gif no promo, just the normal top up lu. 100-250 per fund.
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U have a diversified portfolios covering almost d continent
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yea, but my india , japan , china funds are in negatives. small allocation, phew biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 27 2016, 11:45 PM)
as above.  laugh.gif no promo, just the normal top up lu. 100-250 per fund.
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so much funds u top-up flex.gif rclxms.gif
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yea, but my india , japan , china funds are in negatives. small allocation, phew biggrin.gif
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I supposed u perform DCA now to reduce d WAC
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so much funds u top-up  flex.gif  rclxms.gif
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no time monitor KLSE , invest in UT je la.. haha

damn speaking of KLSE, my stocks bleeding teruk jugak ranting.gif
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I supposed u perform DCA now to reduce d WAC
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yup. can see improvement already. japan, china and india previously was double digits negatives. now is around -5%
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 27 2016, 11:52 PM)
no time monitor KLSE , invest in UT je la.. haha

damn speaking of KLSE, my stocks bleeding teruk jugak  ranting.gif
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all because of 1Mxx shit bangwall.gif
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all because of 1Mxx shit  bangwall.gif
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foreign funds also takut when mentioned 'default'. terus lari jauh jauh..

oh well. hang in there bro biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 27 2016, 11:55 PM)
foreign funds also takut when mentioned 'default'. terus lari jauh jauh..

oh well. hang in there bro  biggrin.gif
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well let's see the US Fed meeting today can bring some good news to KLCI biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 27 2016, 11:55 PM)
foreign funds also takut when mentioned 'default'. terus lari jauh jauh..

oh well. hang in there bro  biggrin.gif
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As usual, saviour will appear last minute to arrest d situation
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Apr 27 2016, 08:49 PM)
Preserving wealth? I thought that's what people say about gold. (Warren Buffett may disagree.)

UT is for growing capital. Definitely not for quick gain.
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Gold in my humble opinion is to hedge against inflation.
Growing capital will be stocks, equities... however, there are risk... as long you can manage the risk, then these asset class can be used to grow the capital.. else the capital will depreciate.
As for UT, it will be preserving wealth in my opinion.

Different people may have different views on these asset class. It depends on your goals, risk appetite, and other factors.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Apr 27 2016, 04:56 AM)
It was on the Maybank onsite. The terms are:-

(1)  Minimum deposit of RM10K. Lock in 12 months.
(2)  E-deposit only. Meaning for Maybank 2U customers only.
(3)  Promotion ends 30th April 2016 or when the fund is full, whichever comes first.

So, if you are a Maybank2U customer, just try e-deposit online and see if the promotion is still on?
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I see.. Thanks a lot. I don't see the promo anymore..
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We are downgrading three markets on the back of sharply higher prices and stagnant or deteriorating fundamentals.
iFAST Research Team April 28, 2016



•Equity markets have staged a strong rebound since we upgraded the markets on 12 February 2016 ◦Market Performance: US +12.4%, Europe +11.5%, Brazil +36.9% (in local currency terms)

•While equities have moved sharply higher, underlying fundamentals have either remained the same or posted slight deterioration for the three markets
•Higher prices with lower earnings estimates have resulted in higher valuations for all three markets, leading to lower forecasted returns for investors ◦Expected Annualised 2 Year Returns: US -0.6%, Europe +1.2%, Brazil +4.1% (in local currency terms)

•We are downgrading the Star Ratings of the markets as follows:
◦US - From 2.5 "Neutral" to 2.0 "Unattractive"
◦Europe - From 3.0 "Attractive" to 2.5 "Neutral"
◦Brazil - From 4.0 "Very Attractive" to 3.0 "Attractive"

•Investors should not chase prices or performances, consider seeking more defensive strategies for US and Europe, relook their portfolio allocations

https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/artic...d-Brazil--11467


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