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cybermaster98
post Apr 21 2016, 03:00 PM

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After about 1 year in FSM, i've decided to sell off about 70% of my entire holdings. Made a loss of about 7.5% overall. Now only left with CIMB Global Titans. mad.gif
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post Apr 21 2016, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Apr 21 2016, 03:04 PM)
Wow, that's a drastic move

What's your plan after this? Get a UT consultant or shy away from unit trust from now on?
Nope. Won't be going into Unit Trusts. With the current market conditions, there's just too much volatility in stocks. I'll keep my Global Titans for now and sell off later but will focus more into other forms of investments.
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post Apr 22 2016, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 21 2016, 09:59 PM)
so sorry to hear it.

but for juz 1 year+ only? UT should be for long term  icon_rolleyes.gif
Yes understood. What u're saying is correct. UT is long term.

But even if its long term, what kind of returns are we actually looking at? The way the world's economy is going, we are no longer in a bull market. We're basically drifting in and out of bear market and its going to stay that way till at least next year.

12 months ago, if I had invested my FSM funds into say ASB, I would have made a net profit of RM11K. But now, ive lost 9K. That's a wipe out of 20K of my potential NAV.

Not blaming UT investments but what i've learnt is that UT investments is based on timing of your entry. U cannot enter when the market has just started a downturn and surely not before the bottom is reached. All those here who made decent returns entered when the market was still on a bull run. But then again, any investment e.g properties, share market, UT all would have made decent returns during a bull run anyway.

Right now, the market is no where near a bottom. We have not seen the bottom yet. I kept telling myself many times over the past year that the worst is over, but the market always surprised me after that.

I'm still holding on to my CIMB Global Titans and may go into UT more aggressively when the market improves in the future but for now there are better investments out there which deliver a better return in the current economic climate.

Just my 2 cents worth.
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post Jun 13 2016, 02:20 PM

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I've dumped all my remaining FSM funds. Total portfolio loss since I started in July 2014 is 5.8%. Not to bad actually but I think there are better 'investments' out there which can generate better returns in a shorter period of time.

From what i've experienced so far and am reading today, the worst in the stock markets is yet to come and we're far from the bottom.

But I wish all of you the very best. And I thank all those who patiently answered my silly questions and provided their valuable insight either on thread/in PM's. Much appreciated! notworthy.gif

Ill still be on this thread occasionally. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 13 2016, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 13 2016, 03:38 PM)
Did u lose 5.8% from investing in FSM funds for 2 years? What funds did you invest in? Did you switch to other funds? And, why the decision to sell now?
I thought my post above answered most of your queries. rclxub.gif

Yes 5.8% loss from FSM funds.
Various funds. Please check my earlier posts.
Yes I switched.
Worst is yet to come. Better short term investments out there.
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post Jun 14 2016, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jun 13 2016, 08:49 PM)
hmm.gif 5.8% + 3.5% + 3.5% (2 yrs opportunity cost as in FD) = 12.8%.  doh.gif

good that one had found it out now instead of some years later,,

rclxms.gif yes...to this statement "..... but I think there are better 'investments' out there which can generate better returns in a shorter period of time".

just bear in mind of this and do a proper application of ....?
Risk management is the identification, assessment, and prioritization of risks (defined in ISO 31000 as the effect of uncertainty on objectives) followed by coordinated and economical application of resources to minimize, monitor, and control the probability and/or impact of unfortunate events or to maximize the realization of opportunities.
Risk management’s objective is to assure uncertainty does not deflect the endeavor from the business goals....(I think this can this be applied to high risks investment too)
Yes ure 100% correct. Im PMP qualified and I deal with budgets & overheads on a daily basis at work so risk is very much a topic of interest for me. biggrin.gif

So far FSM was the only investment which I made losses in the past 15 years of investing. But im not saying its bad. Its just the timing. Im certain that if I give it another 1 year or so, I would be seeing some returns. But for now, i'll invest elsewhere.
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post Jun 14 2016, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(dexk @ Jun 14 2016, 12:27 AM)
I got confused reading your post too. -5.8% but somehow you said not bad but there are better investment out there.  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
EPF, FD or home loan are all capital and x% returns guaranteed just to name a few of them.
You need to first understand that losing 5.8% over 24 months is not a big deal for most ppl. That's just about 2.9% per year. Even inflation eats up more than that. Of course if you add on the opportunity cost, the % goes up.

The other thing you need to understand is risk diversification. I have investments in ASB as well which give me a steady return of about 7.5% p.a but investing in FSM is not about sitting back and just earning a meagre return. Investing in the right funds at the right time can give you a 15-20% ROI and that beats many investments out there. But of course it comes with a potential (and very real) downside risk which is what i've experienced over the past 2 years.

Besides my day job, I co-own a company which is targeting a listing on the Hong Kong GEM Board sometime next year. So need to be very careful how I utilise my funds and move them around especially in the current economic climate.
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post Jun 14 2016, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 14 2016, 05:38 AM)
This statement contradict with your action of investing in that potential scam FXUnited.
Nope. No contradiction at all. Read all my previous posts for the past 2 weeks and you'll be able to understand my overall strategy...not just with FX.
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post Jun 14 2016, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 14 2016, 09:59 AM)
I have met people similar like you, person who have the money to invest into start-ups and what's not. That person have money to invest in a company in frontier market (Cambodia or some Indochina country) that will build dams to power hydroelectricity. His investment is talking in millions of USD.

I suspect UTF is not sexy enough for this segment of people; UTF is very much a tool for the mass market or retail investors. Regular 9 to 5 Joes who need to slowly build their wealth the slow and steady way, who cannot afford to lose our savings / retirement fund.

Xuzen
Yes, u've nailed it on its head bro.

Starting 2016 i've become an aggressive investor. Yes the risks are higher but im starting to move a % of my funds from 'safe' investments into riskier ones albeit with a higher potential return with the ultimate aim of retiring from my day job by the age of 45 which isn't too far away. But im still keeping the bulk of my funds in safer investments e.g EPF (still untouched), ASB and property as a safety net.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jun 14 2016, 10:10 AM)
Yes aware of this.
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post Jul 29 2016, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 29 2016, 10:07 AM)
I topped up Ponzi 2 and EISC today.

FSM just launched the new wholesale Private Equity Fund - RHB Private Equity Opportunity Fund 1. Geographical location is US. Minimum investment is RM100K. Estimated maturity date 10th September 2023.

I am not sure how popular this new fund is going to be. Investors are still licking their wound from the RHB Pre-IPO & Special Situation Fund 3 which was launched previously.
Yeah not sure how many ppl will be willing to have RM100K stuck in a fund for the next 7 yrs with no guarantee of a good return.
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post Jul 30 2016, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jul 29 2016, 05:42 PM)
eh... what do you mean by stuck for 7 years?

Maturity at 2023 doesn't mean you can't sell, right? Bonds also have maturity but they can still be traded at secondary market. Of course the market price is likely to be different from the face value.
This is not a normal fund. Its a Private Equity fund. You cannot sell until 2023. U can only collect dividends (if any)

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