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post Jul 3 2015, 03:07 PM, updated 11y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn. Bhd. ("iFAST Capital").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services
- To deal in Private Retirement Scheme

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).

iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST Malaysia Sdn. Bhd., which is wholly owned by iFAST Corporation Ltd. ("iFAST Corporation"). iFAST Corporation is headquartered in Singapore and the iFAST group of companies are also present in Hong Kong, Malaysia and China. The company was incorporated in Singapore on 10 January 2000.

iFAST Corporation was listed on the Singapore Exchange Mainboard in December 2014.

iFAST Corporation, via its wholly owned subsidiary iFAST Financial Pte. Ltd., is Singapore's leading online distributor of unit trusts as well as the leading operator of an investment platform for financial advisers and financial institutions. It carries the Capital Markets Services (CMS) and Financial Adviser (FA) licences issued by the Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS), and is also one of three appointed Central Provident Board (CPF) Investment Administrators.

One of iFAST Corporation's shareholders is SPH AsiaOne Ltd, the Internet arm of Singapore Press Holdings, which is Singapore's largest media group. In recent years, iFAST Corporation has been expanding beyond local shores. In 2007, iFAST Corporation launched its first overseas business, Fundsupermart in Hong Kong and in 2008, it launched Fundsupermart in Malaysia. iFAST Corporation launched its office in China in 2014.



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

And FSM has a very helpful LIVE Customer Service, MAKE FULL USE OF THEM. Look for this at FSM home page:
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What is unit trust?
Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia - ABC of Unit Trusts

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trust investing in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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FSM Idea Of The Week: Unit Split and High Fund Price Misconceptions [24 October 2014]
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Investors should not judge if a unit trust is cheap or expensive based on its unit trust price or NAV. Instead, they should focus on the valuations (PE ratios) of the underlying equity markets that the unit trust invests in.


3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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5. Return On Investment (ROI) vs Annualised Return, similar to Internal Rate of Return (IRR)
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Important link to v8 - The MS Excel Masterclass version!

Download here >>> Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation

Download here >>> polarzbearz's Portfolio Summary with Pinky's IRR Calculation (and here for Polarzbearz's FSM-to-Spreadsheet Conversion Tool)
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Make sure you read the instructions as many of the cells have formula in it. You can freely modify, update, or change it to suit your needs (and even share with others if you don't mind tongue.gif )

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:10 AM)
My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1.   We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2.   Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3.   We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.
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I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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1stttt

any how, wanted to topup before 3pm. TAC lagged until 3.05pm. lol. next week then sweat.gif

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QUOTE(dirtinacan @ Jul 3 2015, 03:08 PM)
1stttt

any how, wanted to topup before 3pm. TAC lagged until 3.05pm. lol. next week then  sweat.gif
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Which bank u using?

Mine TAC received within seconds
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reserved!! ha-ha...

auto updating of FSM NAV pricing in excel file
Page 21, post 402

auto NAV update file in page 27 post# 525


Xirr is still correct.....page #56, post# 1117
Point 5) From the above examples, so how is that the IRR is "less accurate" when the time take by an investment is less than 1 year? As mentioned; when the maths is correct, it cannot be less accurate or more accurate
and page# 58, post# 1148....

page# 119 post# 2377
has GOOD info of various XIRR and IRR And CAGR results and situations

What's the Biggest Mistake First-Time Investors Make?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527...311062582473556

Nine Rules for Investors to Keep In Mind..... September 22, 2015
The attached note looks at nine things that are useful for investors to keep in mind.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...ep-In-Mind-6333

understanding the metrics used to measure compounding returns – CAGR, IRR and XIRR.
In this post, the similarity and difference between the CAGR (compounded annualized growth rate) and the IRR (internal rate of return) is examined with the help of an illustration.
http://freefincal.com/compouding-with-vola...ns-cagr-vs-irr/

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link to v10 ...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 3 2015, 03:09 PM)
Which bank u using?

Mine TAC received within seconds
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m2u sweat.gif doh.gif

wanted to topup amoasis and & CIMB Islamic asia ex jap.

now looking at it, i think i'll topup aladin instead of oasis. hmm.gif
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Note for newbies: China, although Shanghai index down 25+/-% from highest 12 mths' closing, it is still 80%+ up from 12 mths ago

Thus pls don't go banzai / all-in and then get mowed down yar (then blame the stupid monkey sharing statistics pulak)
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 3 2015, 03:41 PM)
Note for newbies: China, although Shanghai index down 25+/-% from highest 12 mths' closing, it is still 80%+ up from 12 mths ago

Thus pls don't go banzai / all-in and then get mowed down yar (then blame the stupid monkey sharing statistics pulak)
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Eh unker

your "basics of mani management" on your blog hilang jor?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 3 2015, 03:46 PM)
Eh unker

your "basics of mani management" on your blog hilang jor?
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farnee... they killed my JPG on that..
urgh.. - anyhow i've digital copies on my backup.

Y ar? U need meh? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 3 2015, 03:48 PM)
farnee... they killed my JPG on that..
urgh.. - anyhow i've digital copies on my backup.

Y ar? U need meh? tongue.gif
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reminder ma

itu...akin to words of Awww-Lahhh yo notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 3 2015, 03:49 PM)
reminder ma

itu...akin to words of Awww-Lahhh yo notworthy.gif
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This?
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dont lar, no comparison & no wan lighterning to strike moi
still want more loving before i go... tongue.gif

BTW, most ppl not willing to build up bit-by-bit leh and when they see that 12 months' emergency buffer, they balk..
not thinking they can build 3 months first, then split to investments
then come back build additional 3 months, then..
then come back build additional 3 months, then..
then come back build additional 3 months, then totally focus on attack until very lopsided tongue.gif

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 3 2015, 03:41 PM)
Note for newbies: China, although Shanghai index down 25+/-% from highest 12 mths' closing, it is still 80%+ up from 12 mths ago

Thus pls don't go banzai / all-in and then get mowed down yar (then blame the stupid monkey sharing statistics pulak)
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Are you talking to me?

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 3 2015, 03:53 PM)
This?
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dont lar, no comparison & no wan lighterning to strike moi
still want more loving before i go... tongue.gif

BTW, most ppl not willing to build up bit-by-bit leh and when they see that 12 months' emergency buffer, they balk..
not thinking they can build 3 months first, then split to investments
then come back build additional 3 months, then..
then come back build additional 3 months, then..
then come back build additional 3 months, then totally focus on attack until very lopsided tongue.gif
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yerrr...siap with name imprinted lagi tongue.gif

I started with 18 months emergency buffer doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Now down to 6 months only...but with some dry ammo in CMF...that considered buffer? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 3 2015, 03:54 PM)
Are you talking to me?
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Not the sharer, the "blamers" tongue.gif
anyhow, even Google search pointed gorillas on some humans, thus can't blame the blamers.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 3 2015, 03:56 PM)
yerrr...siap with name imprinted lagi tongue.gif

I started with 18 months emergency buffer doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Now down to 6 months only...but with some dry ammo in CMF...that considered buffer? tongue.gif
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as long as U don't count that amount as your investment portfolio la

reason: when all hell breaks loose, U can all-in if U want with cash equivalents from your investment portfolio
WITHOUT worrying if kaka happens, must sell investments at lost or not, to cover kaka
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tsipras-b...07-02-191035740

Greek PM...I semakin like him wub.gif

He knows that EU will try hard to keep Greece in Euro

Worse comes to worst, he just have to take whatever EU offers Greece

Board the flight to Holland Europe, my comrades! bruce.gif
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SSE Comp closed 5.77% lower.

HSI dropped 0.83%
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 3 2015, 04:05 PM)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tsipras-b...07-02-191035740

Greek PM...I semakin like him wub.gif

He knows that EU will try hard to keep Greece in Euro

Worse comes to worst, he just have to take whatever EU offers Greece

Board the flight to Holland Europe, my comrades! bruce.gif
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Like lopsided love affair... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 3 2015, 04:23 PM)
Like lopsided love affair...  laugh.gif
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China’s Stocks Plunge to Three-Month Lows as Bear Market Deepens

China’s stocks slumped, extending a bear-market rout, as government measures to shore up equities failed to stop margin traders from unwinding positions.

The Shanghai Composite Index sank 3.5 percent to 3,776.41 at 9:30 a.m. local time. The gauge has tumbled 27 percent from its June 12 peak, helping wipe out at least $2.8 trillion of value.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-market-deepens
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Asian currencies to fall slightly with Fed set to raise rates
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QUOTE(dirtinacan @ Jul 3 2015, 03:32 PM)
m2u  sweat.gif  doh.gif

wanted to topup amoasis and & CIMB Islamic asia ex jap.

now looking at it, i think i'll topup aladin instead of oasis.  hmm.gif
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i always receive it within seconds if it's m2u.

anyway... which is why i prefer to switch from CMF to invest, no laggard issues. i do keep quite a bit of ammo in CMF
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jul 3 2015, 04:58 PM)
Asian currencies to fall slightly with Fed set to raise rates
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bagi source la sakai
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bagi source la sakai
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http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...set-raise-rates
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KLCI was up just 0.36 of a point or 0.02% to 1,734.24.

The stock market was shored by up local institutions, especially after Fitch Ratings’ surprise announcement to upgrade the outlook of Malaysia’s sovereign to stable from negative. However, foreign funds and retail investors were taking profit.

On the external front, Hong Kong stocks fell on Friday, with sentiment soured by slumping shares in China and the Greek debt crisis, Reuters reported.

In Europe, the market was hit by concern over mounting tensions between Greece and its international creditors since the government in Athens announced a surprise referendum over its bailout programme.

~The Star~
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jul 3 2015, 05:07 PM)
i'm curious about the other 50%
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50% necessities.
No.. not that Gucci handbag, nor those neon alligator shoes..
NECESSITIES.. those are "Feel good" or "Savings for Specific Spending" coz it cost a bomb tongue.gif

The game is to reduce that 50% for NECESSITIES, thus reaching Financial Freedom faster rclxms.gif
and increase the rest, especially Investments & Feel Good - must balance mar,
else become crazed over building investments only.

Note
1. personally, charity i lumped in "Feel Good", not "Necessities" (unlike for some) coz i do feel good when i help out.
2. easier version = spend 70%, save 30% (15% buffer, 15 investments)
but.. i'm anal, need to be very specific in order to focus laugh.gif

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Who is attending FSM event tomorrow at KL?
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Speculation that Fed may delay rate hike
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The Federal Reserve may be pushing back raising rates.

Economists predicted the move would happen in September, but now there's speculation that the move will be delayed until December.

A rate hike would lead to higher rates for mortgages, auto loans and other borrowing.

The delay is being linked to the June jobs report. Wages didn't budge even as employers added 223,000 jobs and the unemployment rate fell from 5.5 percent to 5.3.

http://www.wwmt.com/news/features/national...ml#.VZaCFEY-44U
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Greece to auction T-bills on July 8 as scheduled despite bank hiatus
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Greece will sell 1.25 billion euros ($1.38 billion) of six-month Treasury bills on July 8 to refinance a maturing issue, its debt agency said on Friday, amid uncertainty over whether the country's banks will reopen next week after a six-day shutdown.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/World/2015/...pite-bank-woes/
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 3 2015, 09:38 PM)
Greece to auction T-bills on July 8 as scheduled despite bank hiatus

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/World/2015/...pite-bank-woes/
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Ini macam pinjam personal loan to pay off credit card outstanding....  doh.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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What Is to Be Done? Possible Steps to Stem China’s Stocks Rout
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Still bullish on China

But Value Partners founder Cheah Cheng Hye sees a global financial crisis happening ‘sooner or later’.

CHAIRMAN of Value Partners Group Ltd Datuk Cheah Cheng Hye saw the 20% correction in Chinese stocks coming.

That’s before the Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index (SSE) peaked in mid-June, after surging 150% in a year.

At a time when experts from the West are trimming China’s economic growth forecast to below 7%, Cheah holds on to his bullish views on China’s growth in the long term.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...hina/?style=biz
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Lessons in handling public finances from Greek tragedy
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hi sifu sifu and senior. I am new to FSM. Still lurking around the webpages and learning stuffs. I have not registered account la, still building up my emergency account cause i just joined the workforce biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(xCM @ Jul 4 2015, 10:31 AM)
hi sifu sifu and senior. I am new to FSM. Still lurking around the webpages and learning stuffs. I have not registered account la, still building up my emergency account cause i just joined the workforce biggrin.gif
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rclxms.gif take your time (but not too long a time) to study...
in the meantime read page 1, post 12....
for some extra tips....

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QUOTE(xCM @ Jul 4 2015, 10:31 AM)
hi sifu sifu and senior. I am new to FSM. Still lurking around the webpages and learning stuffs. I have not registered account la, still building up my emergency account cause i just joined the workforce biggrin.gif
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I done the same like you too. Just recently started to play around with UT's..

Sifu here taught me to save up rainy day funds with CMF2.. icon_idea.gif
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I done the same like you too. Just recently started to play around with UT's..

Sifu here taught me to save up rainy day funds with CMF2.. icon_idea.gif
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Glad that this thread helped many like u rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ragu91 @ Jul 4 2015, 11:59 AM)
I done the same like you too. Just recently started to play around with UT's..

Sifu here taught me to save up rainy day funds with CMF2.. icon_idea.gif
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UT is for long term investment...
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China brokerages pledge to buy $19.3 billion in shares to steady plunging market

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's top securities brokerages said on Saturday that they would collectively buy at least 120 billion yuan ($19.3 billion of shares in a bid to stabilize the country's stock markets after a slump of nearly 30 percent since mid-June.

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The art of investment

CHEAH places high importance on learning. He always seeks to reinvent himself by trying to master and learn new things. Having carved out a name for himself in the area of investment, Cheah shares some of his investment philosophies. He concedes that he does not know everything but have suggestions. Find below some excerpts when Ng Bei Shan and David Tan caught up with Cheah who was in Penang for vacation:

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rclxms.gif take your time (but not too long a time) to study...
in the meantime read page 1, post 12....
for some extra tips....
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yeah post #12 was very helpful, i even downloaded the excel spreadsheet to feed my curiosity. haha
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I done the same like you too. Just recently started to play around with UT's..

Sifu here taught me to save up rainy day funds with CMF2.. icon_idea.gif
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yeah post #12 was very helpful, i even downloaded the excel spreadsheet to feed my curiosity. haha
what's CMF2 bro?
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Money market fund.

RHB-OSK Cash Management Fund 2
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China curbs IPOs, enlists brokers in all-out bid to end market rout

BEIJING/SHANGHAI: Beijing intensified efforts at the weekend to pull China's stock markets out of a nose-dive that is threatening the world's second-largest economy, with top brokerages pledging to buy massive amounts of shares and a report that the government has set up a market stabilisation fund.

Beijing has also suspended new share offers in an attempt to take pressure off the market after a 30 percent plunge in three weeks, the Wall Street Journal said.

The reported suspension of initial public offers (IPOs) came a few hours after extraordinary announcements by major brokers and fund managers, which collectively pledged to invest at least $19 billion of their own money into stocks.

URL: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...IPOs/?style=biz
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Hello..
Let say i topup from my epf & my own $ into selected fund
does it count together.. ?
epf 10k + own $ 10k = 20k?
hows the distribution like? and withdraw...
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Hello..
Let say i topup from my epf & my own $ into selected fund
does it count together.. ?
epf 10k + own $ 10k = 20k?
hows the distribution like? and withdraw...
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First of all, you have two account numbers for the same fund that you invested into since both are them are managed differently.

EPF: own name + plus every transaction ultimately goes back to your EPF
Own: nominee as normal FSM account


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hi sifu sifu and senior. I am new to FSM. Still lurking around the webpages and learning stuffs. I have not registered account la, still building up my emergency account cause i just joined the workforce biggrin.gif
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Tsipras Triumphs as Greece Votes Against Austerity

Greece voted against yielding to further austerity demanded by creditors, leaving Europe’s leaders to determine if the renegade nation can remain in the euro.

Sixty-one percent of voters backed Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’s rejection of further spending cuts and tax increases in an unprecedented referendum that’s also taken the country to the brink of financial collapse.

Tsipras described the result as a “great victory”, and said Athens would return to the negotiating table on Monday with a strengthened hand.

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BEIJING/SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China's stock markets face a make-or-break week after officials rolled out an unprecedented series of steps at the weekend to prevent a full-blown stock market crash that would threaten the world's second-largest economy.

The government is anxiously awaiting the market opening on Monday to see if the new measures will halt a 30 percent plunge in the last three weeks, or if panicky investors who borrowed heavily to speculate on stocks will continue to sell.

In an extraordinary weekend of policy moves, brokerages and fund managers vowed to buy massive amounts of stocks, helped by China's state-backed margin finance company which in turn would be aided by a direct line of liquidity from the central bank.

China has also orchestrated a halt to new share issues, with dozens of firms scrapping their IPO plans in separate but similarly worded statements over the weekend, in a tactic authorities have used before to support markets.

URL: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-offi...-110047668.html
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Ringgit Tumbles to Weakest Since 3.8 Dollar Peg Scrapped in 2005

Malaysia’s ringgit tumbled to the weakest level since a dollar peg was scrapped in 2005 as the heightened risk that Greece will exit the euro damped demand for emerging-market assets.

The currency dropped 0.7 percent to 3.8045 versus the greenback as of 8:21 a.m. in Kuala Lumpur, data compiled by Bloomberg show. The currency was fixed at 3.8000 per dollar in 1998 during the Asian financial crisis after it slumped 35 percent the previous year amid a devaluation in the Thai baht.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...crapped-in-2005

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Ringgit Tumbles to Weakest Since 3.8 Dollar Peg Scrapped in 2005

Malaysia’s ringgit tumbled to the weakest level since a dollar peg was scrapped in 2005 as the heightened risk that Greece will exit the euro damped demand for emerging-market assets.

The currency dropped 0.7 percent to 3.8045 versus the greenback as of 8:21 a.m. in Kuala Lumpur, data compiled by Bloomberg show. The currency was fixed at 3.8000 per dollar in 1998 during the Asian financial crisis after it slumped 35 percent the previous year amid a devaluation in the Thai baht.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...crapped-in-2005

Bravo Najib! Bravo BN!  icon_idea.gif  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
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DESPITE having spent US$10 trillion in trying to stimulate their economies and fighting financial crises, central banks are still faced with the prospect of slower global growth and loads of debt.

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Note: Manulife China down by another 2% after FSM updated it at around 4.15 p.m.

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Just topped Ponzi 2.0 today!

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Hong Kong Stocks Sink Most Since ’12 on China, Greece Double Hit

Hong Kong stocks sank toward their steepest drop since 2012 amid speculation Chinese investors were shifting money out of the city’s market and as Greece’s rejection of austerity measures spurred equity declines across Asia.

Hong Kong Exchanges & Clearing Ltd. tumbled 9.8 percent at the lunch break, on course for its biggest decline since October 2008, after Goldman Sachs Group Inc. recommended selling the shares. Haitong International Securities Group Ltd. slid 15 percent as mainland brokerages slumped. Internet company Tencent Holdings Ltd. fell 7 percent, dragging the city’s benchmark equity index lower.

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blood bath in MY after Najib allegations
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hmm.gif Really because of him-meh? M'sia just -1.x%....
he can affect HK mkt (-4.X%), Korea (-2.X%), Nikkei (-2.x%) too?

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hmm.gif Really because of him-meh? M'sia just -1.x%....
he can affect HK mkt (-4.X%), Korea (-2.X%), Nikkei (-2.x%)  too?
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I think more to this as spelled out in
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3461956/+800#entry75258508
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China is under the spot light ... Top up time
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China is under the spot light ... Top up time
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rclxms.gif index wise is about > 25% "cheaper" than early June....
hmm.gif will it hold or continue to drop? hmm.gif
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rclxms.gif index wise is about > 25% "cheaper" than early June....
hmm.gif will it hold or continue to drop? hmm.gif
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Do a sequential top up shall be good ...
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Do a sequential top up shall be good ...
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Thanks for the reminder of this tactics....
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In terms of transaction security of the Fundsupermart online platform, does it have anything like trading PIN for the online share trading platform (or something like TAC for online banking transaction)?
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From your bank account to FSM, your standard bank security (TAC) applies.

But from FSM, only your login password.
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Most Southeast Asian stock markets fell over 1 percent on Monday as worries over the Greek debt crisis sparked selling across major sharemarkets, with the Malaysian index sliding to a near one-week low amid graft allegations linked to the Prime Minister.

Selloffs in the region came in line with Asian stocks which hit a six-month trough after a Greek vote to reject austerity measures in their referendum on Sunday.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/f...ow?type=Markets
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KLCI closed down 17.19 points or 1% to 1,717.05, but off the intra-day low of 1,706 and the ringgit sunk to a 16-year low.

Among the key regional markets,

Japan’s Nikkei 225 fell 2.08%to 20,112.12;

Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index skidded 3.18% to 25,236.28;

Shanghai’s Composite Index rose 2.41% to 3,775.91;

Taiwan’s Taiex fell1.09% to 9,255.96;

South Korea’s Kospi fell 2.4% to 2,053.93 and

Singapore’s Straits Times Index down 0.29% to 3,332.94.
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Still no fun yet.. 6%+ to 8%+/- down from 12 months' peak only.. pfh.. tongue.gif
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Euro zone shares fall nearly 2pc after Greek ‘no’

LONDON: Top euro zone shares fell 1.7 percent in early trading on Monday after Greek voters rejected austerity measures demanded in return of a debt deal, raising concerns about the country’s possible exit from the euro zone.

Banks were the worst hit, with the Euro STOXX banks index down 2.3 percent. Italian banks including Unicredit were down 3 to 4 percent while Portugal’s Banco Comercial Portugues fell 3 percent.

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jul 5 2015, 10:02 PM)
force urself to contribute to UT every month, make urself addicted. it'll be worth it  icon_rolleyes.gif
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every month? hmmm. i need to read more first. I am kind of long term guy btw. so yeah. I need more time first. haha!

*add on: lets say I buy RHB-OSK CMF2 with 3.5% return per year, I able to withdraw anytime right? and how much do you guys normally purchase for any UT?

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......
*add on: lets say I buy RHB-OSK CMF2 with 3.5% return per year, I able to withdraw anytime right? and how much do you guys normally purchase for any UT?
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this 3.5% fluctuate...(just a bits)
yes you can withdraw anytime but has transaction period is of a few days....not like ATM where you can get monies out on the spot.
as for this..." how much do you guys normally purchase for any UT"....it depends some just a hundred (or minimum allowed) and some a hundred thousand...it depends...

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Crude (Brent) below USD 60. Dropped 5.27%


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QUOTE(xCM @ Jul 6 2015, 07:50 PM)
every month? hmmm. i need to read more first. I am kind of long term guy btw. so yeah. I need more time first. haha!

*add on: lets say I buy RHB-OSK CMF2 with 3.5% return per year, I able to withdraw anytime right? and how much do you guys normally purchase for any UT?
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yup every month, because u want long term investment ma smile.gif of coz must contribute every month.

go read about private retirement schemes too. when you buy PRS, it helps reduce income tax too, up to 3k per year relief.
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Talking about PRS, can you guys recommend a good PRS fund? This type hard to find online... not very popular, yet.
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Talking about PRS, can you guys recommend a good PRS fund? This type hard to find online... not very popular, yet.
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not sure what do you mean by a "good" PRS fund?
here is a blog that did some compilation till 6 May 2015...
hope it helps
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2015/...of-6th-may.html
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not sure what do you mean by a "good" PRS fund?
here is a blog that did some compilation till 6 May 2015...
hope it helps
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2015/...of-6th-may.html
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Thanks! This is also "good". Hehe.
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Oil crashes 8 percent as Greek vote, Iran talks set off exodus

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Oil prices suffered their biggest selloff in five months on Monday, falling as much as 8 percent as Greece's rejection of debt bailout terms and China's stock market woes set off a deepening spiral of losses.

Adding to the pressure on oil, Iran and global powers were trying to meet a July 7 deadline on a nuclear deal, which could bring more supply to the market if sanctions on Tehran are eased. The self-imposed deadline could be extended again, officials at the negotiations sai

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Stock Corrections Come to Europe as Greek Vote Hits Italy, Spain

While most financial markets were spared selloffs Monday, it was hardly a good day in equities -- especially those perceived as vulnerable to Greek contagion.

Stocks in Italy and Portugal fell more than 3.8 percent, and benchmark indexes in Spain and France lost 2 percent after voters in Greece rejected bailout terms. Half of the 18 western-European markets tracked by Bloomberg are now in corrections, with shares down 10 percent or more from their 2015 highs.

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Fitch boost for Malaysia short-lived, ringgit hardest hit in Asia

PETALING JAYA: The simmering economic crisis in Greece and weakness in China continued to roil financial markets across the region, with the ringgit being the hardest hit among Asian currencies.

Sentiment on the ringgit was further compounded by rising domestic political risk, lingering concerns about 1Malaysia Development Bhd’s massive debt problems and lower oil revenue.

The local unit fell to a 16-year low yesterday at 3.809 against the US dollar - a level last seen before the exchange rate was pegged in 1998.

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Fitch boost for Malaysia short-lived, ringgit hardest hit in Asia

PETALING JAYA: The simmering economic crisis in Greece and weakness in China continued to roil financial markets across the region, with the ringgit being the hardest hit among Asian currencies.

Sentiment on the ringgit was further compounded by rising domestic political risk, lingering concerns about 1Malaysia Development Bhd’s massive debt problems and lower oil revenue.

The local unit fell to a 16-year low yesterday at 3.809 against the US dollar - a level last seen before the exchange rate was pegged in 1998.

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MYR weak. China dolls, Viet moi who work here may be heading home cry.gif
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China’s Stocks Resume Rout as Traders Unwind Record Margin Bets
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Hi , just want to ask, is it monthly deduction/auto debit is a good strategy for investing in equity fund? e.g PONZi 2.0 ? Or only buy when the price is drop ? I know that this strategy is work with some low risk mutual fund, not sure is it correct way to do this in high risk equity fund?

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Hi , just want to ask, is it monthly deduction/auto debit is a good strategy for investing in equity fund? e.g PONZi 2.0 ?  Or only buy when the price is drop ? I know that this strategy is work with some low risk mutual fund, not sure is it correct way to do this in high risk equity fund?
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monthly auto deduction will eliminate the guesswork and emotional factors of investing....
(guess work as in timing the mkts, emotional as in fear when the mkts corrects)

do monthly investment if you just starting out....buy in more when the markets corrects at the same time if you see that the regions will have more upside after the corrections....

hmm.gif You said this..."I know that this strategy is work with some low risk mutual fund, not sure is it correct way to do this in high risk equity fund?"
isn't it low risk mutual funds will usually fluctuates less...thus...anytime is also a good time to invest....lump sum or monthly deduction.....?


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Who's to blame for China's stock-market plunge?
The Shanghai Composite has fallen 29 per cent since June 12. However, short positions made up less than 0.03 per cent of China's market capitalisation, while foreigners own less than 3 per cent of Chinese shares, making it unlikely that they could take down the whole market.
So who is to be blamed?
http://www.straitstimes.com/business/whos-...k-market-plunge
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Chinese Trading Suspensions Freeze $1.4 Trillion of Shares Amid Rout

Chinese companies have found a guaranteed way to prevent investors from selling their shares: suspend trading.

Almost 200 stocks halted trading after the close on Monday, bringing the total number of suspensions to 745, or 26 percent of listed firms on mainland exchanges, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Most of the halts are by companies listed in Shenzhen, which is dominated by smaller businesses.

The suspensions have locked up $1.4 trillion of shares, or 21 percent of China’s market capitalization, and are becoming increasingly popular as equity prices tumble. If not for the halts, a 29 percent plunge in the Shanghai Composite Index from its June 12 peak would probably be even deeper.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...hares-amid-rout
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RBA Holds Rate as Greek Drama Drives Aussie Below 75 Cents

Australia left its key interest rate unchanged after Greece’s drama drove the currency below 75 U.S. cents and Sydney’s property bubble argued against a further cut.

Central bank Governor Glenn Stevens kept the cash rate at a record-low 2 percent Tuesday as predicted by markets and economists, and after cuts in May and February. He identified 75 cents in December as a level that would help the economy.

“The Australian dollar has declined noticeably against a rising U.S. dollar over the past year, though less so against a basket of currencies,” Stevens said in a statement. “Further depreciation seems both likely and necessary, particularly given the significant declines in key commodity prices.”

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...cy-sub-75-cents

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 7 2015, 01:31 PM)
monthly auto deduction will eliminate the guesswork and emotional factors of investing....
(guess work as in timing the mkts, emotional as in fear when the mkts corrects)

do monthly investment if you just starting out....buy in more when the markets corrects at the same time if you see that the regions will have more upside after the corrections....

hmm.gif You said this..."I know that this strategy is work with some low risk mutual fund, not sure is it correct way to do this in high risk equity fund?"
isn't it low risk mutual funds will usually fluctuates less...thus...anytime is also a good time to invest....lump sum or monthly deduction.....?
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Thanks for the responding, ermm so meaning that most properly the technique use will be monthly deduction (so called ringgit cross average) even is for the high risk market which 100% on equity fund(provided you pick the correct fund with overall uptrend right?). Did you use any profile balancing?

for low risk mutual fund yeah you are quite right, but if lump sum also need to see the market timing right?

Last, do you have any book recommend to understand more on investing in unit trust? Thanks. biggrin.gif

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Sigh...when will I see some black on my portfolio... cry.gif

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Templeton Emerging Markets Group’s head Mark Mobius sees a lot of upside from emerging markets, especially with the strong growth story.

Mobius points out markets in emerging Asia as well as frontier markets in Africa have been growing even faster than the overall average for emerging markets over the past few years, and he expects that trend should continue this year.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...bius/?style=biz

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I have almost lost everything I gained since 3 months ago.
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Mobius manages an Emerging Markets fund
Mobius says EM presents opportunities

Najib manages 1MDB
Najib says 1MDB is profitable and valuable to Bolehland economy

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Currently I have about 38% to 40% of my portfolio in Greater China.

Topped up all my China linked funds periodically for the past 1 1/2 months. Currently my ROI is down to 4.03%.

My portfolio now is about 85% equity funds and 15% fixed income/bond funds. Should survive this onslaught.
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Crystal balls mana? whistling.gif

Told ya all don't too gung-ho and sailang on one single market... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Diversify...DIVERSIFY!

Even on Kenaga Growth...those who have >75% on Bolehland...later if Jibby really jatuh...see how your portfolio survive sleep.gif

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Last, do you have any book recommend to understand more on investing in unit trust?  Thanks. biggrin.gif
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Hi, you may try reading any of these books...

(1) The 3% Signal by Jason Kelly
(2) The Four Pillars Of Investing by William J Bernstein
(3) All About Asset Allocation by Richard Ferri, 2nd Edition.

Sorry, I forgot to ask. Are you looking for books catering for beginner, intermediate or advance/expert readers?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 7 2015, 05:15 PM)
Crystal balls mana? whistling.gif

Told ya all don't too gung-ho and sailang on one single market... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Diversify...DIVERSIFY!

Even on Kenaga Growth...those who have >75% on Bolehland...later if Jibby really jatuh...see how your portfolio survive sleep.gif
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Hahaha, we never learn from our past experience do we?

But then again human beings are strange creatures. This is like telling someone not to smoke, drink, gamble or fornicate because it is bad for our health, sinful, etc. We will still continue doing it and will only stop after something drastic happens. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 7 2015, 05:15 PM)
Crystal balls mana? whistling.gif

Told ya all don't too gung-ho and sailang on one single market... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Diversify...DIVERSIFY!

Even on Kenaga Growth...those who have >75% on Bolehland...later if Jibby really jatuh...see how your portfolio survive sleep.gif
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Sorry may I ask .... if Jibby really jatuh, isn't our portfolio going to shoot up ?
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Crystal balls mana? whistling.gif

Told ya all don't too gung-ho and sailang on one single market... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

Diversify...DIVERSIFY!

Even on Kenaga Growth...those who have >75% on Bolehland...later if Jibby really jatuh...see how your portfolio survive sleep.gif
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You think Jibby jatuh or not? WSJ already revealed documents on the songlap case. and jibby yet to sue.

if jatuh, macam good time to pump in money (not right now lah. after jatuh)
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The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) has played their game well. After getting Najib to deny his involvement over the past few days, WSJ has now started uploading original banking documents depicting the money trail into the various accounts.

Be prepared for more downside for KLSE tomorrow.



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The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) has played their game well. After getting Najib to deny his involvement over the past few days, WSJ has now started uploading original banking documents depicting the money trail into the various accounts.

Be prepared for more downside for KLSE tomorrow.
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The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) has played their game well. After getting Najib to deny his involvement over the past few days, WSJ has now started uploading original banking documents depicting the money trail into the various accounts.

Be prepared for more downside for KLSE tomorrow.
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good sharing..

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The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) has played their game well. After getting Najib to deny his involvement over the past few days, WSJ has now started uploading original banking documents depicting the money trail into the various accounts.

Be prepared for more downside for KLSE tomorrow.
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Sorry may I ask .... if Jibby really jatuh, isn't our portfolio going to shoot up ?
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Nah...he's screwed....for the past 4 days everything was denied, even the accounts were denied as having existed. But now u have official scanned documents showing the money transactions, signatories, dates, amounts, bank branches conducting the transactions, etc. The last few digits of the accounts have been blanked out but that doesn't matter because now its obvious that these documents do exist and nobody can deny it any more.

And there's more to come from WSJ for sure.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 6 2015, 08:27 PM)
this 3.5% fluctuate...(just a bits)
yes you can withdraw anytime but has transaction period is of a few days....not like ATM where you can get monies out on the spot.
as for this..." how much do you guys normally purchase for any UT"....it depends some just a hundred (or minimum allowed) and some a hundred thousand...it depends...
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yup every month, because u want long term investment ma  smile.gif of coz must contribute every month.

go read about private retirement schemes too. when you buy PRS, it helps reduce income tax too, up to 3k per year relief.
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I see. Thanks man, very helpful info I received. biggrin.gif I start small small next month biggrin.gif
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I see. Thanks man, very helpful info I received. biggrin.gif I start small small next month biggrin.gif
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Drop alot lei my portfolio...

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Chinese Shares in Hong Kong Follow Mainland Into BEAR Market

Chinese companies traded in Hong Kong fell 20 percent from a May high, following mainland shares into a bear market.

The Hang Seng China Enterprises Index sank 3.3 percent to 11,827.30 on Tuesday, led by Citic Securities Co. Haitong Securities Co., Citic Securities and China Railway Group Ltd. dropped the most on the H share gauge during the period, posting declines of at least 37 percent. The city’s benchmark Hang Seng Index entered a correction on Monday, sliding 11 percent from its April peak.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...nto-bear-market
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Greek Stock Market Suspended for Two More Days Amid Bank Closure

Greece’s stock market will remain closed on Tuesday and Wednesday after a bank holiday was extended.

The alternative market of the Athens Exchange will also stay shut, Alexandra Grispou, spokeswoman for the exchange operator, said in e-mailed comments. Equity trading in the debt-ridden country has been suspended since June 29 after the government closed banks and imposed capital controls.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...id-bank-closure
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I see. Thanks man, very helpful info I received. biggrin.gif I start small small next month biggrin.gif
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Napalms only coming online Aug/Sep  sweat.gif
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What is napalms? What is dagnabit?

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Napalm is flammable liquid used in warfare. It is a mixture of a gelling agent and petroleum or a similar fuel. It was initially used as an incendiary device against buildings and later primarily as an anti-personnel weapon, as it sticks to skin and causes severe burns when on fire.

dagnabit - Another way to say "doggone it" or "damn it."

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What is napalms? What is dagnabit?

Your language comes from Middle Earth?  rclxub.gif
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er.. way more "advanced" than middle earth tolkienish leh

Napalm is flammable liquid used in warfare. It is a mixture of a gelling agent and petroleum or a similar fuel. It was initially used as an incendiary device against buildings and later primarily as an anti-personnel weapon, as it sticks to skin and causes severe burns when on fire.

Think severe ammo tongue.gif

dagnabit.. er.. general audience mar, cannot curse in properly, use
Alternative spelling of dagnabbit
A slang contraction; a bowdlerization of profane "God d*mn it."

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Thanks both for the advanced language.

I also don't have heavy ammo. I just do some light top up.
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actually I also 1st time heard the word..

thanks to unker google for the info blush.gif
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Equities Weekly: Fear Grips Markets Over Greek Impasse [3 Jul 15]

Equity markets worldwide on aggregate declined over the week ended 3 July 2015, with the MSCI AC World Index falling -1.59%. US equities, as represented by the benchmark S&P 500 index, declined by -1.82% over the week. Deeper declines were seen across the equity markets in Europe, as fears of the situation in Greece increased – the benchmark Stoxx 600 index fell -3.94% over the week. On the other hand, the Japanese equity market, represented by the Nikkei 225 index, was the least affected developed market under our coverage during the risk aversion seen last week, with the index up just 0.23%. Asian and emerging markets also saw declines as a whole, with the MSCI Asia ex Japan index and the MSCI Emerging Markets index declining by -1.30% and -1.48% respectively over the week.

East Asian markets like China (represented by the HSML 100 index) and Taiwan incurred losses, falling by -2.91% and -0.54% over the week. The volatile local Chinese equity market however, was the bottom performer under our coverage over the week, with the Shanghai Composite index plunging -11.85% and the Shenzhen CSI 300 index falling -10.15%. Other emerging markets like Russia and Brazil also saw declines, with the RTSI$ index and the Bovespa index falling by -2.30% and -2.89% respectively over the week. Southeast Asian equity markets in general actually posted gains, with Malaysia and Singapore up 1.39% and 0.86% respectively, while Indonesia's JCI index posted a 1.28% gain over the week.

Crude oil prices, as represented by WTI crude, fell -5.15% in MYR terms, closing with a price of USD 56.93 when the week ended.

[All returns in MYR terms unless otherwise stated]

Investors may refer to Market Valuations as of 3 July 2015 for more details.

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=6024
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China fund lovers, you may be interested with this article:

Charting the Rise and Fall of China's Equity Market

It’s been a wild ride on China’s equity market, with the Shanghai Composite Index rising from just above 2,400 in November 2014 to a high close of 5,200 in June, before plunging back toward 3,700 in early July. Along the way there have been four rate cuts, three reserve requirement cuts and, most recently, a raft of measures from the government aimed at stabilizing the market. This chart maps out the recent history of policy and market moves.

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URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...s-equity-market
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Thanks for the responding, ermm so meaning that most properly the technique use will be monthly deduction (so called ringgit cross average)    even is for the high risk market which 100% on equity fund(provided you pick the correct fund with overall uptrend right?). Did you use any profile balancing?
Monthly deduction is because the paycheck comes monthly...
RSP is "GOOD" when on the Downtrend...buy more units with the same amount of monies...
what is profile balancing?

for low risk mutual fund yeah you are quite right, but if lump sum also need to see the market timing right?
actually cannot time the market.....best is buy when the valuation of the region/country is low....then wait...

Last, do you have any book recommend to understand more on investing in unit trust?  Thanks. biggrin.gif
better do as post #125....learn more and faster.... tongue.gif
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Weak Ringgit is cushioning the fall for my portfolio...

Too late to react...just hold still until I see a significant fall

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Stupid political influence....now suddenly my portfolio has red ink joined in zzz mad.gif

Time to buy in? i dun think so....just wait and see what is going to happen next, likely negative impact..

I guess it is time to gather reserve, to pump in more once things get settled...
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Weak Ringgit is cushioning the fall for my portfolio...

Too late to react...just hold still until I see a significant fall

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Amid bloodbath, this could be the year for fishing, and cash is king?
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“Keeping cash when the equity market is at the extreme low is not a good alternative, as chances of equities outperforming cash improve significantly.” – Dr. Tan Chong Koay
“As a value investor, you should not buy a share just because it has dropped more than 80%. You will only buy because the share meets your investment criteria and it is undervalued.” – Dr. Tan Chong Koay
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“Keeping cash when the equity market is at the extreme low is not a good alternative, as chances of equities outperforming cash improve significantly.” – Dr. Tan Chong Koay
“As a value investor, you should not buy a share just because it has dropped more than 80%. You will only buy because the share meets your investment criteria and it is undervalued.” – Dr. Tan Chong Koay
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“Keeping cash when the equity market is at the extreme low is not a good alternative, as chances of equities outperforming cash improve significantly.” – Dr. Tan Chong Koay
“As a value investor, you should not buy a share just because it has dropped more than 80%. You will only buy because the share meets your investment criteria and it is undervalued.” – Dr. Tan Chong Koay
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Well we dun buy share we buy unit trust and unit trust managers know how to get the undervalued ... Need to be fairly clear on this
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 7 2015, 05:17 PM)
Hi, you may try reading any of these books...

(1)  The 3% Signal by Jason Kelly
(2)  The Four Pillars Of Investing by William J Bernstein
(3)  All About Asset Allocation by Richard Ferri, 2nd Edition.

Sorry, I forgot to ask. Are you looking for books catering for beginner, intermediate or advance/expert readers?
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Thanks for the recommendation, all of these book are regarding to unit trust/ mutual fund?
it is ok for beginner, intermediate or advanced also, actually I got invest in stock market, though for unit trust it might different.
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Well we dun buy share we buy unit trust and unit trust managers know how to get the undervalued ... Need to be fairly clear on this
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hmm.gif Need to be fairly clear on this too.
the unit trust managers that managed the funds maybe mandated to buy "only" the stocks in that sector/country EVENthough the price are not undervalued.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(yeah016 @ Jul 8 2015, 08:46 AM)
Thanks for the recommendation, all of these book are regarding to unit trust/ mutual fund?
it is ok for beginner, intermediate or advanced also, actually I got invest in stock market, though for unit trust it might different.
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Yes, these books are related to unit trusts/mutual funds but are geared more towards asset allocation or portfolio rebalancing.

Asset allocation is the key for long term success in unit trust investment. It is the only thing that we can control as retail investors. Good luck in your journey!!!

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EU says, "bye-bye Spartans..."
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And China is officially a tumbling bear...or panda? tongue.gif
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This free fall in the stock market will continue unless the Greece impasse is resolved soon.

Shanghai is down 5.69% as of 10.44am today.

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wait til Grexit is confirmed...that would cause turmoil
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Just topped up Am Asia Pac Eq. so cheap at RM0.9655 (6.7.15)
Dividend ex date is 13.7.2015 ,
isnt this a good buy now, low price and can get dividend still?

It was RM1.0426 on 28.4.2015.
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Im considering moving funds to India fixed deposit just to offset some risk from the falling Ringgit. Their rates in general are quite good. HSBC India for instance offers 7.5% per annum for a 90 day tenure fixed deposit placement. But getting money out of Malaysia will be an issue.
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Shanghai is down 6.65% as of 2.20pm today.


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HSI down 5.60%, ASX 2%... rclxub.gif

i top up too early... cry.gif though minimal...

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HSI down 5.60%, ASX 2%... rclxub.gif

i top up too early...  cry.gif though minimal...
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The equity portion of my portfolio dropped 4.5% in total... mainly from China exposure.

At this moment is 60% China; 40% Tech Sector.

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The equity portion of my portfolio dropped 4.5% in total... mainly from China exposure.

At this moment is 60% China; 40% Tech Sector.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 8 2015, 02:12 PM)
Im considering moving funds to India fixed deposit just to offset some risk from the falling Ringgit. Their rates in general are quite good. HSBC India for instance offers 7.5% per annum for a 90 day tenure fixed deposit placement. But getting money out of Malaysia will be an issue.
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Reducing risk by moving funds from MYR to INR?

On a round trip you'll be losing out 5-6% on converting currency alone, is converting to INR really mitigating any risk?

If you have 200K+ open HSBC Premier account and ask them to assist opening an Indian account for you (may be possible without an address, haven't tried)

There's US listed products (ETN such as SPCBINR) which would give you INR exposure

I hardly see this as reducing risk, USD possibly ... not INR .. FIY, IDR has similar FD rates
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2/7 till 7/7...portfolio dropped 2.98%
from today's mkts actions....maybe 2/7 to 8/7 would be -3.5%
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BEIJING: In a flurry of new moves to halt a stock market slide, China’s government on Wednesday told state-owned companies to buy shares, raised the amount of equities insurance companies can hold and promised more credit to finance trading.

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Meltdown In China-Town?
Chinese H Shares Remain A Buy!

While sentiment has changed (from optimism to panic), fundamentals have not swung and changed as much. We advise investors not to read too heavily into the headlines, and to take a step back and look at the market from a wider perspective and with the long-term investment horizon in mind. The -20% correction has only made the offshore Chinese equity market cheaper by sporting more attractive valuations than before.

In the near term, and certainly over the next few days or weeks, volatility is still expected to remain high. However, history has taught us that the best time to buy is when fear and panic grips markets while fundamentals remain stable – with panic and fear clearly evident and in abundant supply right now coupled with the investment thesis for Chinese equities remaining unchanged, the current correction in Chinese equities could prove to be an opportunity for those who dare!
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My Manulife China is now down -10.41%. My other China linked funds are down an average -7.77% to -3.5%.

It is not inconceivable that my funds could go down to -20% or more. I am planning to buy more during this market correction. Mega sales have started.

As Peter Lynch said,

“Now no one seems to know when they are gonna happen. At least if they know about ‘em, they’re not telling anybody about ‘em. I don’t remember anybody predicting the market right more than once, and they predict a lot. So they’re gonna happen. If you’re in the market, you have to know there’s going to be declines. And they’re going to happen every couple of years you’re going to get a 10 percent correction. That’s a euphemism for losing a lot of money rapidly. That’s what a “correction” is called. And a bear market is 20-25-30 percent decline.

They’re gonna happen. When they’re gonna start, no one knows. If you’re not ready for that, you shouldn’t be in the stock market. I mean the stomach is the key organ here. It’s not the brain. Do you have the stomach for these kinds of declines? And what’s your timing like? Is your horizon one year? Is your horizon ten years or 20 years?

What the market’s going to do in one or two years, you don’t know. Time is on your side in the stock market.”




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My portfolio IRR drops below 3% cry.gif
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yours are more stable...yours dropped just 0.5% since 30/6?
my Xirr dropped 0.85 since 30/6...now is just 3.76%
tomorrow doh.gif
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yours are more stable...yours dropped just 0.5% since 30/6?
my Xirr dropped 0.85 since 30/6...now is just 3.76%
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The equity portion of my portfolio dropped 4.5% in total... mainly from China exposure.

At this moment is 60% China; 40% Tech Sector.

Xuzen
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Mine... i topped up a week before this falling drama incidence... sad.gif
all red now...terrible
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some interesting figures.....depending on what you bought just before the China Sell off starts....
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So my China-India fund may even off? hmm.gif
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My Manulife China is now down -10.41%. My other China linked funds are down an average -7.77% to -3.5%.

It is not inconceivable that my funds could go down to -20% or more. I am planning to buy more during this market correction. Mega sales have started.

As Peter Lynch said,

“Now no one seems to know when they are gonna happen. At least if they know about ‘em, they’re not telling anybody about ‘em. I don’t remember anybody predicting the market right more than once, and they predict a lot. So they’re gonna happen. If you’re in the market, you have to know there’s going to be declines. And they’re going to happen every couple of years you’re going to get a 10 percent correction. That’s a euphemism for losing a lot of money rapidly. That’s what a “correction” is called. And a bear market is 20-25-30 percent decline.

They’re gonna happen. When they’re gonna start, no one knows. If you’re not ready for that, you shouldn’t be in the stock market. I mean the stomach is the key organ here. It’s not the brain. Do you have the stomach for these kinds of declines? And what’s your timing like? Is your horizon one year? Is your horizon ten years or 20 years?

What the market’s going to do in one or two years, you don’t know. Time is on your side in the stock market.”


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Same as yours, my CIMB-Principal Greater China down to -9.2%..

I guess it is time to top up slowly over next few days...need to aim accurately to probably double the stock of this fund in my portfolio.. hmm.gif
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hmm.gif if I am not mistaken....yours is still -2.1%?
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 8 2015, 06:34 PM)
My Manulife China is now down -10.41%. My other China linked funds are down an average -7.77% to -3.5%.

It is not inconceivable that my funds could go down to -20% or more. I am planning to buy more during this market correction. Mega sales have started.

As Peter Lynch said,

“Now no one seems to know when they are gonna happen. At least if they know about ‘em, they’re not telling anybody about ‘em. I don’t remember anybody predicting the market right more than once, and they predict a lot. So they’re gonna happen. If you’re in the market, you have to know there’s going to be declines. And they’re going to happen every couple of years you’re going to get a 10 percent correction. That’s a euphemism for losing a lot of money rapidly. That’s what a “correction” is called. And a bear market is 20-25-30 percent decline.

They’re gonna happen. When they’re gonna start, no one knows. If you’re not ready for that, you shouldn’t be in the stock market. I mean the stomach is the key organ here. It’s not the brain. Do you have the stomach for these kinds of declines? And what’s your timing like? Is your horizon one year? Is your horizon ten years or 20 years?

What the market’s going to do in one or two years, you don’t know. Time is on your side in the stock market.”


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Look like I sold most of my China fund units on the right timing last week , IRR still at 25-27% . Today add back some by doing intra swift.
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QUOTE(eleven dragon @ Jul 8 2015, 07:49 PM)
Same as yours, my CIMB-Principal Greater China down to -9.2%..

I guess it is time to top up slowly over next few days...need to aim accurately to probably double the stock of this fund in my portfolio.. hmm.gif
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hmm.gif may end up having too heavy % of allocation in your portfolio?
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some interesting figures.....depending on what you bought just before the China Sell off starts....
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Bro, what website/app is that?

I want to use it for calculation too, thanks thumbup.gif
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Bro, what website/app is that?

I want to use it for calculation too, thanks  thumbup.gif
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FSM site...under Funds Info/Fund Returns.....
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China's stock market - 1301 companies halted trading. That's more than 40% of the market...
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33438416

Like that investors will be even less confident shakehead.gif
Imagine if you can buy, but you may not be able to sell... Do you still want to invest?
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China's stock market - 1301 companies halted trading. That's more than 40% of the market...
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33438416

Like that investors will be even less confident  shakehead.gif
Imagine if you can buy, but you may not be able to sell... Do you still want to invest?
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hmm.gif but some may just be greatful that they did not have to see their holdings continued to drop.....
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hmm.gif may end up having too heavy % of allocation in your portfolio?
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some noises in figures?
RETAIL INVESTORS

Unlike other major stock markets, which are dominated by professional money managers, retail investors account for around 85 percent of China trade, which exacerbates volatility.

"It's uncommon to see so many shares posting consecutive daily limit falls, and the index futures swinging so wildly," said Wang Feng, CEO and founder of hedge fund firm Alpha Squared Capital Co and a former Wall Street trader.

"It's a stampede. And the problem of the market is that all the players move in the same direction, and are too emotional."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/08/...N0PI04Q20150708

While Chinese investors are “relatively optimistic” about the future, they still want to reduce stakes, according to a poll by the Survey and Research Center for China Household Finance at Southwestern University of Finance and Economics. Only 40.5 percent of households still had gains in their stock accounts in the week starting June 27, down from 73.8 percent in the period June 15 to June 18.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...argin-debt-drop

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retail investors account for around 85 percent of China trade
Only 40.5 percent of households still had gains in their stock accounts in the week starting June 27
Bigger sell off in July 6~8....that means this 40.5% will be reduced again.....
Thus many many had their fingers burnt......the rebound may not be so soon? doh.gif
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as of now most European mkts are GREEN, GREEN....
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What downturn? yawn.gif

Btw, BNM system down? Or too busy wiping Jibby's dirty ass?

First time ever my CMF2 withdrawal not received by afternoon of T+2.
Or is my account one of the six freezed? shocking.gif

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IRR: 6.3%
12-months return: 8.7%

What downturn? yawn.gif

Btw, BNM system down? Or too busy wiping Jibby's dirty ass?

First time ever my CMF2 withdrawal not received by afternoon of T+2.
Or is my account one of the six freezed? shocking.gif
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China Bans Stock Sales by Major Shareholders for Six Month

China’s securities regulator banned major shareholders, corporate executives and directors from selling stakes in listed companies for six months, the latest effort to stop a $3.5 trillion rout in the nation’s equity market.

Investors with stakes exceeding 5 percent must maintain their positions, the China Securities Regulatory Commission said in a statement. The rule is intended to guard capital-market stability amid an “unreasonable plunge” in share prices, the CSRC said.

URL: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-bans-s...-123555540.html

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want some good news????
as of now most European mkts are GREEN, GREEN....
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After this grexit shit we shall see greener pastures ... China pulak if u have balls now ... U shll be rewarded ...
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Greece seeks three-year loan, pledges to enact reforms next week

ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece promised to implement pension and tax reforms as early as next week as the first step to securing a three-year rescue loan to cover debt obligations, according to a letter requesting the funding from European partners on Wednesday.

URL: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greece-seeks...-120222523.html
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China Bans Stock Sales by Major Shareholders for Six Month

China’s securities regulator banned major shareholders, corporate executives and directors from selling stakes in listed companies for six months, the latest effort to stop a $3.5 trillion rout in the nation’s equity market.

Investors with stakes exceeding 5 percent must maintain their positions, the China Securities Regulatory Commission said in a statement. The rule is intended to guard capital-market stability amid an “unreasonable plunge” in share prices, the CSRC said.

URL: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-bans-s...-123555540.html
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Thgs get complicated when u hv millions of housewives n uncles dumping savings into stock market ... Speculating high short term return n panic during the selloff ...
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Now the "controls" are starting to get ridiculous doh.gif
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China’s Market Rescue Makes Matters Worse

Between unprecedented government intervention to prop up the $6.5 trillion equity market and trading suspensions in more than 1,300 companies, analysts can no longer rely on share prices as an indicator of corporate value in the world’s second-largest economy.

The remarkable turn of events comes less than two years after China’s ruling Communist Party vowed to give market forces a bigger role in the economy, part of its largest reform drive since the 1990s. While the stock-market rescue mission is designed to stem a rout that erased $3.2 trillion in three weeks, it may end up making matters worse. Traders rushed to sell whatever the could on Wednesday and foreign investors extended a record three-day exodus as the Shanghai Composite Index sank 5.9 percent.

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...es-lose-meaning
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Thgs get complicated when u hv millions of housewives n uncles dumping savings into stock market ... Speculating high short term return n panic during the selloff ...
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Not just the retailers are using margin to buy stocks.

The corporate is using leverage too! Read the article. They're pledging their own company shares as collateral!
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Externally, we have Greece (Grexit) and China.

Internally, we have 1MDB and plunging MYR!

2015 is roller coaster ride year!
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All red ,cmf2 cover back my lost. 96% cmf2 over 99lost
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how-ah?
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Rebounce slightly. It has breached 3.82XX two days ago.
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QUOTE(eleven dragon @ Jul 8 2015, 07:49 PM)
Same as yours, my CIMB-Principal Greater China down to -9.2%..

I guess it is time to top up slowly over next few days...need to aim accurately to probably double the stock of this fund in my portfolio.. hmm.gif
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My 2 cents view is that using the Value Averaging Method is the best strategy forward for the next few months. We don't know whether the China market is entering into a free fall or how long it is going to last. It could last a few weeks, a few months or a few years.

This is the time when we separate the men from the boys. Definitely not for the faint hearted to invest now.

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Look like I sold most of my China fund units on the right timing last week , IRR still at 25-27% . Today add back some by doing intra swift.
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Good for you because you managed to "time" the market.

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My 2 cents view is that using the Value Averaging Method is the best strategy forward for the next few months.  We don't know whether the China market is entering into a free fall or how long it is going to last. It could last a few weeks, a few months or a few years.

This is the time when we separate the men from the boys. Definitely not for the faint hearted to invest now.
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hmm.gif in "normal" time and in 'normal" market these 10 actions would definitely rocket the market.....
China is taking 10 huge actions to save its stock market
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/08/investing/...tion/index.html

hmm.gif is now "normal" time and "normal" market? rclxub.gif
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Yeehah. Fasten your seat belt. By the end of this month, with the triple "disaster" of IMDB, China and Grexit, it is quite likely that a lot of our portfolio will turn RED and the ROI will turn negative.

Everything from Ponzi 1, Ponzi 2, China funds to TA European Equity Fund will fall. In summary, it is the end of the world aka Armageddon.

As investors, I assume we have 4 options:-

(1) Sell off everything and swear off unit trust forever. See other forums where "investors" have ranted that unit trusts are useless and "cheating" money.

(2) Stay put. Hibernate in a cave somewhere and wait for the storm to pass. It may take a few months or a few years for your unit trusts to recover if you made a one lump sum investment buying at the peak of the market.

(3) For new potential investors in FSM, wait for the "perfect" moment to buy the unit trusts at the lowest price and sell at the "highest" price later (i.e. market timing). Good luck and let me know if you succeed in doing this. I wish to call you sifu.

(4) Practice DCA and VCA for the next months or few years until thing stabilise. Then take profit or do portfolio rebalancing depending on when the markets rebound.

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(1)  Sell off everything and swear off unit trust forever. See other forums where "investors" have ranted that unit trusts are useless and "cheating" money.
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(3) For new potential investors in FSM, wait for the "perfect" moment to buy the unit trusts at the lowest price and sell at the "highest" price later (i.e. market timing). Good luck and let me know if you succeed in doing this. I wish to call you sifu.

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i see some of the NAV price has been dropping
is this a good sign for dumping money?
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i see some of the NAV price has been dropping
is this a good sign for dumping money?
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hmm.gif is this a good sign for dumping money?
hmm.gif YES,.....if you just buy without referring what you needed in your portfolio and buy not according to your risk appetite...that is to me dumping monies

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rclxms.gif
hmm.gif in "normal" time and in 'normal" market these 10 actions would definitely rocket the market.....
China is taking 10 huge actions to save its stock market
http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/08/investing/...tion/index.html

hmm.gif is now "normal" time and "normal" market?  rclxub.gif
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When Charlie Munger or Warren Buffett were asked how they think the market will perform for the next 6 months or 1 year, their answer was..."the market will fluctuate".

My 2 cents view. In theory, if the market goes down continuously for the next 10 years, nobody will invest in the stock market. Who would want to invest in a SURE LOSE game? Conversely, if the market goes up continuously for the next 10 years without a break, everyone will be lining up at the bank, Ah Long, chettiar for personal loans to invest in the stock market because it is a SURE WIN game.

Therefore we are experiencing a "normal" market now because it is fluctuating.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 09:39 AM)
When Charlie Munger or Warren Buffett were asked how they think the market will perform for the next 6 months or 1 year, their answer was..."the market will fluctuate".

My 2 cents view. In theory, if the market goes down continuously for the next 10 years, nobody will invest in the stock market. Who would want to invest in a SURE LOSE game? Conversely, if the market goes up continuously for the next 10 years without a break, everyone will be lining up at the bank, Ah Long, chettiar for personal loans to invest in the stock market because it is a SURE WIN game.

Therefore we are experiencing a "normal" market now because it is fluctuating.
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hmm.gif then post # 254 does not seems to apply as past, present and future are also "normal" because it is fluctuating.
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i see some of the NAV price has been dropping
is this a good sign for dumping money?
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Yes, provided you do the proper research. Aim for a good fund which has dropped 8% or more.

Invest using DCA or VCA for the next 6 months or so. Only do a lump sum investment if you have a high risk appetite. We don't know whether the "good" fund may drop another 10% in another month or so.

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hmm.gif then post # 254 does not seems to apply as past, present and future are also "normal" because it is fluctuating.
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Yes, provided you do the proper research. Aim for a good fund which has dropped 8% or more.

Invest using DCA or VCA for the next 6 months or so. Only do a lump sum investment if you have a high risk appetite. We don't know whether the "good" fund may drop another 10% in another month or so.
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seems like the risk factor if way to high to dump money now
the thing is it's too uncertain in the next 2 years to even predict how the market would react

unless u have spare cash which you confident you would not need to touch for the next 5 years ....by all means go ahead

but if you still commitments lying around wishing to make some money it would be best not to ...
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 09:39 AM)
When Charlie Munger or Warren Buffett were asked how they think the market will perform for the next 6 months or 1 year, their answer was..."the market will fluctuate".

My 2 cents view. In theory, if the market goes down continuously for the next 10 years, nobody will invest in the stock market. Who would want to invest in a SURE LOSE game? Conversely, if the market goes up continuously for the next 10 years without a break, everyone will be lining up at the bank, Ah Long, chettiar for personal loans to invest in the stock market because it is a SURE WIN game.

Therefore we are experiencing a "normal" market now because it is fluctuating.
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hmm.gif YEs it is "normal" to fluctuates, but just how long will this down curve of this "Normal" market be before it start to rise as in the "normal' market that are 85% "played" by retail investors? rclxub.gif

"It's a stampede. And the problem of the market is that all the players move in the same direction, and are too emotional."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/08/...N0PI04Q20150708

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QUOTE(herzeleid @ Jul 9 2015, 09:52 AM)
seems like the risk factor if way to high to dump money now
the thing is it's too uncertain in the next 2 years to even predict how the market would react

unless u have spare cash which you confident you would not need to touch for the next 5 years ....by all means go ahead

but if you still commitments lying around wishing to make some money it would be best not to ...
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hmm.gif well, I think the above applies to ALL times...not just now
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QUOTE(herzeleid @ Jul 9 2015, 09:52 AM)
seems like the risk factor if way to high to dump money now
the thing is it's too uncertain in the next 2 years to even predict how the market would react

unless u have spare cash which you confident you would not need to touch for the next 5 years ....by all means go ahead

but if you still commitments lying around wishing to make some money it would be best not to ...
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My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1. We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2. Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3. We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.

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Switched my greater China to CMF2.

Since I am just new to UT, I think I want to try with DCA.. hmm.gif
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Switched my greater China to CMF2.

Since I am just new to UT, I think I want to try with DCA.. hmm.gif
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That is considered repurchase (sell) right?

What is your ROI?
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Personally, i'll start nibbling on China stuff again after Shanghai Index goes another >=25%+/- down, making a total of 56%+ down from it's 52 weeks' highest closing.

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Switched my greater China to CMF2.

Since I am just new to UT, I think I want to try with DCA.. hmm.gif
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You used the wrong method. You should have intra switched your China fund into its equivalent bond fund. In this way, you earn credit points. Later when you switch back from the bond fund into your China fund, you incur ZERO sales charge.

Your current method of switching into CMF2 means you are SELLING your China fund. This means when you buy into the China fund again from CMF, you will incur the 2% sales charge again.

I think you owe me a cup of coffee.

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Those who attended FSM event at KL last weekend.

Any free gift, door gift or promo code?
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Those who attended FSM event at KL last weekend.

Any free gift, door gift or promo code?
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I like the lucky draw ;D cmf 2000  whoohoo
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@Labah-labah merah jambu & David... read my post Algozen™ for Jun'15

Basically my data was as of 31/5/2015 and I received it by 3rd week of June-15. My next fresh set of data will be for 30/6/2015 and I expect to get it by the final week of Jul-15.

I am not Bloomberg or CNNMoney... my info is not 24/7.

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Personally, i'll start nibbling on China stuff again after Shanghai Index goes another >=25%+/- down, making a total of 56%+ down from it's 52 weeks' highest closing.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 09:27 AM)
Yeehah. Fasten your seat belt. By the end of this month, with the triple "disaster" of IMDB, China and Grexit, it is quite likely that a lot of our portfolio will turn RED and the ROI will turn negative.

Everything from Ponzi 1, Ponzi 2,  China funds to TA European Equity Fund will fall. In summary, it is the end of the world aka Armageddon.

As investors, I assume we have 4 options:-

(1)  Sell off everything and swear off unit trust forever. See other forums where "investors" have ranted that unit trusts are useless and "cheating" money.

(2) Stay put. Hibernate in a cave somewhere and wait for the storm to pass. It may take a few months or a few years for your unit trusts to recover if you made a one lump sum investment buying at the peak of the market.

(3) For new potential investors in FSM, wait for the "perfect" moment to buy the unit trusts at the lowest price and sell at the "highest" price later (i.e. market timing). Good luck and let me know if you succeed in doing this. I wish to call you sifu.

(4) Practice DCA and VCA for the next months or few years until thing stabilise. Then take profit or do portfolio rebalancing depending on when the markets rebound.
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for me I will do method (1), (3) & (4) together, if you had foresee that the more 'disaster' is coming, why not you sell some of your profit funds to at least lock-in some of your profit or keep as spare ammo and wait for the best moment aka 'disaster' time to make a lump sum in your comfortable range of your risk level. For the method 4, I do it since 2 years back to enjoy no upfront charges ma. I'm with FSM SG(The subscription date is the 8th of every month), only I will adjust the total amount with RSP based on market uptrend or down trend of the months. That's only what I do, maybe different from you guys.
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You used the wrong method. You should have intra switched your China fund into its equivalent bond fund. In this way, you earn credit points. Later when you switch back from the bond fund into your China fund, you incur ZERO sales charge.

Your current method of switching into CMF2 means you are SELLING your China fund. This means when you buy into the China fund again from CMF, you will incur the 2% sales charge again.

I think you owe me a cup of coffee.
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OT a bit

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That is considered repurchase (sell) right?

What is your ROI?
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Yes, and I didn't move it out because the initial investment I made to Greater China was from CMF2.

ROI, it's about -1%. I just began with ponzi 2.0 few months back, currently only holding that one and soon-to-be sold Greater china.
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You used the wrong method. You should have intra switched your China fund into its equivalent bond fund. In this way, you earn credit points. Later when you switch back from the bond fund into your China fund, you incur ZERO sales charge.

Your current method of switching into CMF2 means you are SELLING your China fund. This means when you buy into the China fund again from CMF, you will incur the 2% sales charge again.

I think you owe me a cup of coffee.
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Lesson learnt.

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Yes, provided you do the proper research. Aim for a good fund which has dropped 8% or more.

Invest using DCA or VCA for the next 6 months or so. Only do a lump sum investment if you have a high risk appetite. We don't know whether the "good" fund may drop another 10% in another month or so.
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:10 AM)
My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1.    We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2.  Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3.  We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.
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thanks for the constructive comments. it do help me a lot. notworthy.gif

would u mind to explain:
a. Why recommend fund that has dropped 8% or more?
b. What is DCA and VCA? i only know cash and RSP sweat.gif
c. Yes its true that i m investing using spare cash. i already had 6 months of emergency fund with no bad debt.
d. for starter, i plan to invest with small amount perhaps rm1000 per fund or rm500 per fund. is CIMB ISLAMIC ASIA PACIFIC EQUITY FUND really convincing to initiate with? or should i try KENANGA GROWTH FUND because the NAV price is reducing continuously?
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thanks for the constructive comments. it do help me a lot.  notworthy.gif

would u mind to explain:
a. Why recommend fund that has dropped 8% or more?
b. What is DCA and VCA? i only know cash and RSP  sweat.gif
c. Yes its true that i m investing using spare cash. i already had 6 months of emergency fund with no bad debt.
d. for starter, i plan to invest with small amount perhaps rm1000 per fund or rm500 per fund. is CIMB ISLAMIC ASIA PACIFIC EQUITY FUND really convincing to initiate with? or should i try KENANGA GROWTH FUND because the NAV price is reducing continuously?
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Have u read Post #1 to understand what is unit trust and what is in their NAV pricing?

DCA = Dollar Cost Average
VCA = actually salah acronym, should be DVA - Dollar VALUE Averaging

Google about these 2 terms...
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 9 2015, 10:15 AM)
Personally, i'll start nibbling on China stuff again after Shanghai Index goes another >=25%+/- down, making a total of 56%+ down from it's 52 weeks' highest closing.

Come on baby - FEAR! tongue.gif
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I think the writer in this article is saying that all the while, since 2007, the shanghai index is on a very long down trend. When looking at the index over the past 5 years, the upward push from Nov/Dec (about 2300 to the peak of 5000 points) is an anomaly and manipulated. In time, it will continue the down trend from 2300.

As John Mauldin wrote in his “Thoughts From the Frontline” e-letter this week: “Chinese individual investors are not primarily ‘value’ investors. Sky-high valuations don’t seem to faze them. They are primarily momentum investors who buy whatever is moving and sell whatever is falling.

“According to my friends who go to casinos and watch the Chinese gamble, they tend to jump on a ‘trend’ such as red coming up on the roulette table repeatedly — never mind that the odds are only ever 50-50. Red is seen as hot and therefore the way to bet. That carries over into trading styles. …”

When highly unsophisticated investors run into trouble, they panic quickly and try to get out at any price. The same inexperienced bettors who drove Shanghai up to 5,000 will take it way down, maybe to the last bear-market low above 1,700 — or maybe even lower, to 1,500, before it finds a long-term bottom.

When Shanghai was peaking at 5,000 in June, I gave you five words of advice: Get. The. Hell. Out. Now.

To which I’ll add five more: And. Stay. The. Hell. Out.


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Have u read Post #1 to understand what is unit trust and what is in their NAV pricing?

DCA = Dollar Cost Average
VCA = actually salah acronym, should be DVA - Dollar VALUE Averaging

Google about these 2 terms...
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i see..
i understand those two term but dont know the acronym.
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I noticed there is a number of Asia ex-Japan funds having quite a substantial investment in China market. Do you think it is kind of overlapping if one also invest in Greater China funds?
Should I exit Greater China fund since I have already invested heavily in Asia ex-Japan fund?
Appreciate your advice. Thanks.
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I noticed there is a number of Asia ex-Japan funds having quite a substantial investment in China market. Do you think it is kind of overlapping if one also invest in Greater China funds?
Should I exit Greater China fund since I have already invested heavily in Asia ex-Japan fund?
Appreciate your advice. Thanks.
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I noticed there is a number of Asia ex-Japan funds having quite a substantial investment in China market. Do you think it is kind of overlapping if one also invest in Greater China funds?
Should I exit Greater China fund since I have already invested heavily in Asia ex-Japan fund?
Appreciate your advice. Thanks.
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Generally overlapping is not good idea.

Single country is like in the roulette table you buy the single number... kena will kena "kaw-kaw"

Asia ex-Jp is like buying "six" or 1/3 of the table... more chance to kena but pay-time, no shiok wan... chicken feet return only.

Single country or broad based... depends on your risk appetite and how much "$$$" you have lar....

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with this "Malaysian audit finds 'nothing suspicious' in 1MDB accounts"
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/61838...n-1mdb-accounts

M'sia Eq and Currencies....can see a modest recovery soon?
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thanks for the constructive comments. it do help me a lot.  notworthy.gif

would u mind to explain:
a. Why recommend fund that has dropped 8% or more?

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Hi, 8% is just an arbitrary figure which I pluck from thin air. If you do a search on FSM, you will see that some funds have dropped 8% to 12% in one month. If you have the risk appetite and have done the proper research on a particular fund, you can buy in slowly now on the assumption that the fund will re-bound later. Of course if you have no faith in the funds which have dipped now, then please just STAY OUT and don't buy at all.

Why buy funds which have dropped substantially in "value"? This is what Benjamin Graham call a margin of safety. If a fund is selling at 10% to 20% discount, it may re-bound later.

Once it rebound, you have a margin of safety. This is because at some point in the future, the fund will dip again. Even if it dip 10% to 20%, you have a margin of safety because you bought it "cheap" in the first place. Therefore you won't panic in the future because you will suffer no "loss" or only suffer minimal "loss".

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One question - how gung-ho are u? tongue.gif

Yes? Put more! flex.gif
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I don't mean to be crude but having balls of steel in the present market condition is not sufficient. We need to grow an extra pair of balls as well to continue investing now.

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Hi, anyone can recommend any good Bond Fund?
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Rhb total Asian & Emerging market bond
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Why no AmDynamite???

RHB-OSK Income Fund 2 not bad actually

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Rhb total Asian & Emerging market bond
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Hi, anyone can recommend any good Bond Fund?
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They recommended these Bond funds...
click the FIXED INCOME tab, then
click on the fund's name to see their analysis about that fund
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All

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FBM KLCI ended Thursday higher in tandem with the firmer regional markets as investors remained optimistic on China's rebound.

KLCI rose 5.71 points to 1,701.54.

Among the key regional markets,

Japan’s Nikkei 225 rose 0.6% to 19,855.5

Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index rose 3.73% to 24,392.79

Shanghai’s Composite Index rose 5.76% to 3,709.33

Taiwan’s Taiex fell 0.69% to 8,914.13

South Korea’s Kospi rose 0.58% to 2,027.81

Singapore’s Straits Times Index fell 0.54% to 3,267.4
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1. Eastspring Investments Islamic Income Fund
2. Manulife Asian Small Cap Equity Fund (Wholesale Fund)
3. Maybank Bosera Greater China ASEAN Equity-I Fund

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nothing to do..just for fun comparison....
it takes 2 years to get XIRR 5.33%
it takes few weeks to lose about 50% of it.... doh.gif


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Ponzi 1.0 dropped 0.0423 yesterday. NAV below 1.3000!
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nothing to do..just for fun comparison....
it takes 2 years to get XIRR 5.33%
it takes few weeks to lose about 50% of it.... doh.gif
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Portfolio is being tanked down horribly!

ROI dropped to 4.3% and IRR slumped to 1.7%
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China: Look for long-term investment themes amid short-term turmoil...Author : JPMorgan Funds (Asia) Limited
In Brief
•A-shares have gone through a rally since the beginning of the year, driven by momentum and liquidity.
•The latest sharp market correction has triggered a series of measures from the government to stabilize the sell-off but the market has not reacted positively.
•However, the slump is not all bad news as valuations have now corrected. We maintain our conviction on China’s long term development.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...articleNo=10040
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They recommended these Bond funds...
click the FIXED INCOME tab, then
click on the fund's name to see their analysis about that fund
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All
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Thanks, but how about your recommendation?
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Rhb total Asian & Emerging market bond
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Okok, thanks but i saw that bond market is not making well
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I cant find this fund is it rhb-osk emerging market bond fund?
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Thanks, but how about your recommendation?
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pai-seh, pai-seh.....I did not hold FI currently....thus did not monitor too.

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Why no AmDynamite???

RHB-OSK Income Fund 2 not bad actually
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Amdynamic bond? It still good?
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pai-seh, pai-seh.....I did not hold FI currently....thus did not monitor too.
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Meltdown In China-Town?

News of the Chinese stock market decline continues to dominate headlines both financial and non-financial media with sensational attention-grabbing titles of a meltdown. The high levels of volatility seen in local Chinese equities has become a widely-discussed conversation topic as well, and investors may wonder about the prospects of the Chinese equity market moving forward. Yesterday, the benchmark local equity indexes fell approximately more than -8.0%, with panic and fear spilling over to the offshore equity market. In this article, we offer a quick update on the Chinese equity market amidst substantial volatility.

In the near term, and certainly over the next few days or weeks, volatility is still expected to remain high. However, history has taught us that the best time to buy is when fear and panic grips markets while fundamentals remain stable – with panic and fear clearly evident and in abundant supply right now coupled with the investment thesis for Chinese equities remaining unchanged, the current correction in Chinese equities could prove to be an opportunity for those who dare!

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=6038
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My 2 cents view is that using the Value Averaging Method is the best strategy forward for the next few months.  We don't know whether the China market is entering into a free fall or how long it is going to last. It could last a few weeks, a few months or a few years.

This is the time when we separate the men from the boys. Definitely not for the faint hearted to invest now.
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yeah, that's what I planned to do, to double it up, bit by bit, over a period of maybe 3 months.

If this drama continues, then I'll change to long term DCA at lowest allowable value to reload its unit, probably over next few years... hmm.gif

It doesn't really matter concerning its recent volatility, if one plans to hold for a long run smile.gif
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Guys how about recommended PRS fund with high, moderate and low risk?
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me too.. dropped 2+% overnight sweat.gif

this year really bad year for investments biggrin.gif
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Guys how about recommended PRS fund with high, moderate and low risk?
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http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.com/2015/...of-6th-may.html
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Top Performing PRS Funds as of 6th May 2015
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Thanks! Is this ur blog?
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Thanks! Is this ur blog?
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very tempted to sell ponzi 2.0 to lock profit. lol
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Wrong timing I believe. Yesterday NAV below 0.2900 level!
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Wrong timing I believe. Yesterday NAV below 0.2900 level!
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IMF Cuts World Growth Outlook

The IMF cut its forecast for global growth this year, citing a weaker first quarter in the U.S. and warning that financial-market turbulence from China to Greece clouds the outlook.

The world economy will grow 3.3 percent in 2015, less than the 3.5 percent pace projected in April and slower than the 3.4 percent expansion last year, the International Monetary Fund said in revisions to its World Economic Outlook released Thursday in Washington. The fund left its forecast for growth next year unchanged at 3.8 percent.

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Malaysia at risk in China slowdown, says JP Morgan

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It will be more than Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand.

HK, Taiwan, Japan .... Europe, US, ..... the world !
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Fidelity Investments, which oversees the largest China funds outside of the mainland, is joining Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in saying that Chinese stocks are a buy following the worst selloff in two decades.

“As far as the fundamentals are concerned, we are actually quite confident,” Robert Bao, a Hong Kong-based money manager at Fidelity, which oversees more than $2 trillion globally, said in a telephone interview. “We are fully invested.”

Fidelity is echoing the bullish call from Goldman Sachs, saying the four-week rout that wiped out almost $4 trillion in market valuation has limited impact on earnings and economic growth. Government efforts to stabilize the market will keep the rout from spilling over to the broader financial system, Bao said.

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Well, almost all European stock markets rallied yesterday in tandem with rises in America. Australian and NZ markets are showing a slight rise this morning. Question is, will we see another 'biggest single day hike' in China today like what happened yesterday? Surely looks like it. But then again its a Friday and stock markets don't usually do well on Fridays. So lets see. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 10 2015, 09:02 AM)
Well, almost all European stock markets rallied yesterday in tandem with rises in America. Australian and NZ markets are showing a slight rise this morning. Question is, will we see another 'biggest single day hike' in China today like what happened yesterday? Surely looks like it. But then again its a Friday and stock markets don't usually do well on Fridays. So lets see.  whistling.gif
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Keep it coming !

Yesterday's rise was good but not good enough to reclaim the cumulative one week's losses.
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me too.. dropped 2+% overnight  sweat.gif

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and I came back with blood bath red.

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Bad? I thk its perfect !! U learn, u metal up ur balls and soldier on ... Better days ahead smile.gif
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For those with some technical knowledge may it this steady your nerves. For those without, just read it with an open mind.

My China exposure has moved to -1.24 z score. This means that there will be more than 68% chance that it will bounce back to the mean.

What this means? Top up lar!

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Annual can share with me how to calculate annual return over using dollar/ringgit cross averaging method?
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 10 2015, 11:19 AM)
For those with some technical knowledge may it this steady your nerves. For those without, just read it with an open mind.

My China exposure has moved to -1.24 z score. This means that there will be more than 68% chance that it will bounce back to the mean.

What this means? Top up lar!

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top up already lo 2 days ago.
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Jul 8 2015, 07:51 PM)
Look like I sold most of my China fund units on the right timing last week , IRR still at 25-27% . Today add back some by doing intra swift.
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top up already lo 2 days ago.
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rclxms.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
seems like you timed it perfectly....
sold most off just before the corrections and top up at just at the bottom...
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IRR dropped below 6% for the first time in 2015...5.8% now sweat.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 10 2015, 11:19 AM)
For those with some technical knowledge may it this steady your nerves. For those without, just read it with an open mind.

My China exposure has moved to -1.24 z score. This means that there will be more than 68% chance that it will bounce back to the mean.

What this means? Top up lar!

Xuzen
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>69% chance better lar, 1 SD tongue.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 10 2015, 12:26 PM)
rclxms.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
seems like you timed it perfectly....
sold most off just before the corrections and top up at just at the bottom...
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i experience it many times d up and down in the past 3 years. can up 10% then become negative. really need stronger heart to hold on china region. You can convince yourself aim for long term la when market turn to downtrend.

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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Jul 10 2015, 01:01 PM)
i experience it many times d up and down in the past 2 years. can up 10% then become negative. really need stronger heart to hold on china region. You can convince yourself aim for long term la when market turn to downtrend.
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if can convince oneself for long term...why do one sell it off just before the correction?
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if can convince oneself for long term...why do one sell it off just before the correction?
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>69% chance better lar, 1 SD tongue.gif
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It is has gone above -1 SD liao... reversion to mean is highly likely.

Think of the mean or average as an imaginary elastic line. When you pull it too either side, it will want to go back to its original shape. The further you pull it from its resting line (aka the mean value) the more it wants to go back to the mean.

So in financial modelling, we use Standard Deviation as a marker from how far it has moved from the mean. Right now, the China fund has breached -1 SD and based on statistical modelling, it wants to revert to the mean (in technical term this is called regression to the mean). In financial modelling stats; -1 SD... it has a probability of 66.67% to move towards the mean. If it has gone to -2 SD.. then the probability becomes 95.00%. At - 3 SD... the probability becomes 99.99%. -3SD is the max liao. There is no -3.01 SD or whatever.

However do note that in Black Swan Event all calculations are off as are all the modelling will be null and void.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 10 2015, 01:37 PM)
It is has gone above -1 SD liao... reversion to mean is highly likely.

Think of the mean or average as an imaginary elastic line. When you pull it too either side, it will want to go back to its original shape. The further you pull it from its resting line (aka the mean value) the more it wants to go back to the mean.

So in financial modelling, we use Standard Deviation as a marker from how far it has moved from the mean. Right now, the China fund has breached -1 SD and based on statistical modelling, it wants to revert to the mean (in technical term this is called regression to the mean). In financial modelling stats; -1 SD... it has a probability of 66.67% to move towards the mean. If it has gone to -2 SD.. then the probability becomes 95.00%. At - 3 SD... the probability becomes 99.99%. -3SD is the max liao. There is no -3.01 SD or whatever.

However do note that in Black Swan Event all calculations are off as are all the modelling will be null and void.

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Yar though keep in mind it went +2 to 3 SD up since er.. a year+/- back
thus this -1D(a bit more) is no biggie gua tongue.gif
ie the stretching of the rubber band UP, snapped back down a bit only comparatively (to its crazy up stretch)
thus, still havent reverted to mean yet (the fall)
thus, probability of it snapping back up after a fall of -1SD(++) is not as per norm
thus, ie dont all in / sai lang yet but may be peck a bit a bit

Just being the devil's advocate here to see 2 sides of the coin yar notworthy.gif

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IRR dropped below 6% for the first time in 2015...5.8% now sweat.gif
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seems like KGF, EI Hsaq, Hsao, HSc all + 1~5% Nav...i think today if go home check the Xirr...Better result
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Why until now (5pm)...some of fund price still showing 08.07.2015?

eg Kenanga Growth fund, Kenanga AP total return fund, CIMB Ponzi 2...

I thought it has to update to 09.07.2015 one right? so slow?
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But I have no wrap account. So I have to do the poor man's version of the wrap account to avoid paying the sales charges. The transactions are still "hanging" in cyberspace.

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Don't curse me-lah. I am still topping up my China linked funds.  tongue.gif

But I have no wrap account. So I have to do the poor man's version of the wrap account to avoid paying the sales charges. The transactions are still "hanging" in cyberspace.
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Don't curse me-lah. I am still topping up my China linked funds.  tongue.gif

But I have no wrap account. So I have to do the poor man's version of the wrap account to avoid paying the sales charges. The transactions are still "hanging" in cyberspace.
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hmm what does wrap account means?
I just topped up yesterday, transaction done but have not price yet... hmm.gif
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hmm what does wrap account means?
I just topped up yesterday, transaction done but have not price yet... hmm.gif
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guys..do you think if wise to topup into china funds now..???
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whole portfolio is red except GTF
ponzi 2.0 and Greater china got hit the biggest....total portfolio is -3.25
gonna topup greater china...maybe
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QUOTE(Arvinaaaaa @ Jul 11 2015, 08:10 AM)
guys..do you think if wise to topup into china funds now..???
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 11 2015, 08:10 AM)
whole portfolio is red except GTF
ponzi 2.0 and Greater china got hit the biggest....total portfolio is -3.25
gonna topup greater china...maybe
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hmm.gif just becareful of over % of allocation in the portfolio...after topup maybe will be more than the limits of risk appetite.

I think it is a good time to top up...just that the index will not be reaching the previous high for some times....
China market are played by 85% retail investors, whom got burnt just recently.....it will take some times for them to get back in, in a fury manners
fundamentally China is still FSM's 5 star ratings...long term is good
and Algozen's ball just said reversion of mean is at good probability too.

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 09:46 AM)
hmm.gif just becareful of over % of allocation in the portfolio...after topup maybe will be more than the limits of risk appetite.

I think it is a good time to top up...just that the index will not be reaching the previous hit for some times....
China market are played by 85% retail investors, whom got burnt just recently.....it will take some times for them to get back in, in a fury manners
fundamentally China is still FSM's  5 star ratings...long term is good
and Algozen's ball just said reversion of mean is at good probability too.
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ponzi 2.0 and greater china got biggest drop
so instead of topping up ponzi 2.0 which i already did end of june...why dnt just go greater china

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 11 2015, 09:49 AM)
ponzi 2.0 and greater china got biggest drop
so instead of topping up ponzi 2.0 which i already did end of june...why dnt just go greater china
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Ponzi 2.0 also has a large % in Greater China region too....
after top up both funds...will the total % of Greater China region too much in your portfolio for your comfort?
if yes,...you are ok...then go ahead
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My Ponzi 2.0 IRR from 20%+ dropped to 10%

The only fund in my portfolio now with IRR >20% is Global Titanic.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 09:52 AM)
Ponzi 2.0 also has a large % in Greater China region too....
after top up both funds...will the total % of Greater China region too much in your portfolio for your comfort?
if yes,...you are ok...then go ahead
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greater china only consist of a small percentage of my portfolio
ponzi on the othe hand consist of a big percentage of my portfolio
even as small percentage....the drop in greater china still more than ponzi 2.0

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 11 2015, 10:06 AM)
greater china only consist of a small percentage of my portfolio
ponzi on the othe hand consist of a big percentage of my portfolio
even as small percentage....the drop in greater china still more than ponzi 2.0
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hmm.gif a view from an optimistic....
even as small percentage....the rise in greater china still more than ponzi 2.0 thumbup.gif

no right or wrong...just different views...and for some people this direction of view maybe changed frequently too.

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 11 2015, 10:06 AM)
greater china only consist of a small percentage of my portfolio
ponzi on the othe hand consist of a big percentage of my portfolio
even as small percentage....the drop in greater china still more than ponzi 2.0
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The bubble in Shanghai A shares was in the small-mid caps

Blue chips are still fundamentally sound and priced fairly, if not attractively
I quote this from the Schroeder report I linked from FSM recently

Furthermore, Ponzi 2.0 is invested more into Hong Kong-listed "S" shares wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 11 2015, 10:03 AM)
My Ponzi 2.0 IRR from 20%+ dropped to 10%
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 11 2015, 10:21 AM)
The bubble in Shanghai A shares was in the small-mid caps

Blue chips are still fundamentally sound and priced fairly, if not attractively
I quote this from the Schroeder report I linked from FSM recently

Furthermore, Ponzi 2.0 is invested more into Hong Kong-listed "S" shares wink.gif
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hmm.gif just curious at your Ponzi 2.0 IRR....dropped by 50%...much bigger than the drops in SSE at about 35%
This IRR dropped to 10%, how much % does the ROI of yr Ponzi 2.0 drops?

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 10:26 AM)
hmm.gif just curious at your Ponzi 2.0 IRR....dropped by 50%...much bigger than the drops in SSE at about 35%
This IRR dropped to 10%, how much % does the ROI of yr Ponzi 2.0  drops?
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I don't track ROI, I only track IRR.

And...drop in rate of IRR vs drop in absolute terms...not a fair comparison. Two different things.

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hmm.gif assuming one holds a funds for 2 years
ROI is 40% (for easy calculation)ROI 40/2 yrs thus IRR is 20%
if now the ROI is 20% thus the IRR is 10%
thus ROI drops 20%?

is my calculation and assumption corrects?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 11 2015, 10:28 AM)
I don't track ROI, I only track IRR.

And...drop in rate of IRR vs drop in absolute terms...not a fair comparison. Two different things.
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hmm.gif yes 2 different things.....just a "queried" view that a regional funds is more risky than a single country focused one eventhough the drops this time is mainly from this country?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 10:33 AM)
hmm.gif assuming one holds a funds for 2 years
ROI is 40% (for easy calculation)ROI 40/2 yrs thus IRR is 20%
if now the ROI is 20% thus the IRR is 10%
thus ROI drops 20%?

is my calculation and assumption corrects?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 10:14 AM)
hmm.gif a view from an optimistic....
even as small percentage....the rise in greater china still more than ponzi 2.0  thumbup.gif

no right or wrong...just different views...and for some people this direction of view maybe changed frequently too.
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yup....that was what i'm thinking abt...since greater china suffers the biggest lose
topup that...when it rebound...it would cover back the loss
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jul 11 2015, 10:40 AM)
yup....that was what i'm thinking abt...since greater china suffers the biggest lose
topup that...when it rebound...it would cover back the loss
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hmm.gif just that be careful.....(now pouring cold water)....sorry.
the last time China funds corrected in 2007/2008...the wait for rebound was till 2014

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 10:45 AM)
rclxms.gif flex.gif
hmm.gif just that be careful.....(now pouring cold water)....sorry.
the last time China funds corrected in 2007/2008...the wait for rebound was till 2014
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68% huh laugh.gif
FSM also recommending to go in

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FSM View on the Recent Market Sell-Off in China

Currently, FSM do not see any significant changes on the fundamentals of the Chinese market.
The headwinds are most from excessive margin lending and expensive valuation on the A shares of small- and mid-cap companies, deteriorating market sentiment.
Current market situation suggests that H shares see better investment values, showing more attractiveness to mainland investors who are after lower volatility.
Despite the fact that H shares were always the first to be affected when A shares’ bubble bursted in the past, H shares tended to demonstrate better resilience than A shares in a down market. Unlike A shares, the H-share market is mainly composed of institutional investors who focus more on value, and hence it is less likely to experience the same “herd effect” driven by individual investors.
As of 3 July, the 2015 and 2016 estimated PE of CSI 300, representing the A-share market, dropped from 20.42X at the beginning of June to only 14.8X and 13.0X, which are in fact close to the fair value; whereas H shares estimated PE for 2015 and 2016 are now trading at 10.8X and 9.7X against the 12X fair PE, showing a significant discount. Investors can consider capturing such upside potential using the dollar cost averaging strategy to invest in high-quality H-share funds.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/re...articleNo=10016
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doh.gif the flow of noises never seems to ends....
China and Greece is almost over,...now this....
High valuations weigh on U.S. stocks ahead of earnings
As companies in the benchmark Standard & Poor's 500 begin to release lackluster second quarter results, rich valuations threaten to keep the U.S. stock market spinning in place.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/11/...N0PK27O20150711

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Mine dropped to -3.51% with Ponzi 2.0 as major factor. Tempted to topup but want to hold on with DCA/DVA.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 10:33 AM)
hmm.gif assuming one holds a funds for 2 years
ROI is 40% (for easy calculation)ROI 40/2 yrs thus IRR is 20%
if now the ROI is 20% thus the IRR is 10%
thus ROI drops 20%?

is my calculation and assumption corrects?
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Hmmmm yummy simple fifth grade soalan kira-kira:

Let's put some numbers for illustration.

Initial capital = RM 10,000.00

After two years, portfolio = 14,000.00 = ROI 40%.

IRR or CAGR =/= 20% = 18.32% p.a.

Lets say it drops 20%; 14,000 - 20% = RM 11,200.00

Then IRR =/= 10% = 5.83% p.a.

Now you owe me coffee....

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 11 2015, 04:05 PM)
Hmmmm yummy simple fifth grade soalan kira-kira:

Let's put some numbers for illustration.

Initial capital = RM 10,000.00

After two years, portfolio = 14,000.00 = ROI 40%.

IRR or CAGR =/= 20% = 18.32% p.a.

Lets say it drops 20%; 14,000 - 20% = RM 11,200.00

Then IRR =/= 10% = 5.83% p.a.

Now you owe me coffee....

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let's say....(from the 1st part your illustration).

Initial capital = RM 10,000.00

After two years, portfolio = 14,000.00 = ROI 40%.

IRR or CAGR =/= 20% = 18.32% p.a.

If the IRR dropped by half (18.32/2=9.16%), what is the % of ROI drops?

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let's say....(from the 1st part your illustration).

Initial capital = RM 10,000.00

After two years, portfolio = 14,000.00 = ROI 40%.

IRR or CAGR =/= 20% = 18.32% p.a.

If the IRR dropped by half (18.32/2=9.16%), what is the % of ROI drops?

Kopi Tarik on the way....
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if IRR = 9.16% p.a., then the corresponding end period value is RM 11,915.00

the drop is from RM 14,000 to RM 11,915 i.e., a 14.89% drop in simple arimethic calculation.

Hence if the IRR is halved from 18.32 to 9.16, then the corresponding ROI drop is 14.89% and is not 20%.

You need to appreciate that arimethic is a simple straight line calculation whereas IRR is compounded return and uses geometric calculation (exponential and logarithmic function)
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 11 2015, 05:46 PM)
if IRR = 9.16% p.a., then the corresponding end period value is RM 11,915.00

the drop is from RM 14,000 to RM 11,915 i.e., a 14.89% drop in simple arimethic calculation.

Hence if the IRR is halved from 18.32 to 9.16, then the corresponding ROI drop is 14.89% and is not 20%.

You need to appreciate that arimethic is a simple straight line calculation whereas IRR is compounded return and uses geometric calculation (exponential and logarithmic function)
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China fear factor

Markets in the regions likely to suffer more because the largest economy in Asia is on a spiral downwards

GREECE spooks investors, but China terrifies us.

Just when sentiment is already dented as Greece’s future hangs in the balance, the world wakes up to yet another – and potentially bigger – risk due to China’s recent stock-market meltdown.

The concern is palpable, for in less than one month – between mid-June and early this week – China’s stock markets had lost about 32%, wiping out US$3.9 trillion (RM14.8 trillion) in value – that’s equivalent to the size of Germany’s entire economy, or about 17 times that of Malaysia.

Read more: http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...ctor/?style=biz
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Talk of $3 trillion of lost wealth also ignores the fact that only about 40 percent of China’s stock market value can be freely bought and sold. The rest is held by controlling shareholders, which are mostly state entities. Shares account for just 9.4 percent of China’s household wealth, according to Credit Suisse: bank deposits and real estate are much more important.

What was lost in China’s stock market slide
http://blogs.reuters.com/breakingviews/201...k-market-slide/
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Yklooi tried to go but failed as in page 19, post 372
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 05:03 PM)
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let's say....(from the 1st part your illustration).

Initial capital = RM 10,000.00

After two years, portfolio = 14,000.00 = ROI 40%.

IRR or CAGR =/= 20% = 18.32% p.a.

If the IRR dropped by half (18.32/2=9.16%), what is the % of ROI drops?

Kopi Tarik on the way....
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If I may add, it is sort of a trick question; by asking how would the ROI drop in comparison to the IRR.

IRR or CAGR has the element of time, while ROI has not. The ROI can remain the same, and the IRR will decrease as time moves forward.

For example:
If IRR is 9.16% p.a., and the corresponding end period value (in 2 years) is RM 11,915.00. The ROI is 19.15%

And if the ROI is still RM1,915 or 19.15% at the end of 3 years, the IRR is 6.01%
And if the ROI is still RM1,915 or 19.15% at the end of 4 years, the IRR is 4.48%

In other words, if you pull out of an investment and keep the profits under your bed, you locked in the ROI but not the IRR. hmm.gif

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If anyone's interested, I've added the following code in polarzbearz IRR Excel sheet to obtain the latest NAV prices from FSM with just one click (I attached the macro to a button).

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Sub GetFundPrices()
   Set WS = Worksheets("Investment Details")
   Set htm = CreateObject("htmlFile")
   Set XML = CreateObject("msxml2.xmlhttp")
   
   Dim i As Long
   Dim lastRow As Long
   lastRow = WS.Range("C:C").Find(What:="*exit*", LookIn:=xlValues).Row

   'From first row all the way to the row containing the value *exit*'
   For i = 1 To lastRow
       'If this row is a group header row (Column A has a value of 1)'
       If WS.Cells(i, 1).Value = "1" Then
           Dim fundName As String

           'Get the fund code'
           fundName = WS.Cells(i, 3).Value
       
           'Download the correct price list'
           XML.Open "GET", "http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundinfo/dailyPricesHistory.tpl?id=" & fundName, False
           XML.send
           If XML.ReadyState = 4 And XML.Status = 200 Then
               htm.body.innerHTML = XML.responsetext

               On Error GoTo ErrHandler:
                   'Get all 4 cells in the first row of data'
                   Set FirstRow = htm.getElementsByTagName("tr")(2).Children
                   
                   'Update date value from 4th table cell of first row'
                   WS.Cells(i, 4).Value = FirstRow(3).innerText
                   
                   'Update NAV value from the DIV element in the 3rd table cell of first row'
                   WS.Cells(i, 9).Value = FirstRow(2).FirstChild().innerText
           End If
       End If
   Next i

   Exit Sub

ErrHandler:
   MsgBox ("Cannot load data. Either the FSM Code is incorrect or FundSuperMart is down.")
End Sub


As this code relies on FSM's price list pages, if there's any changes to that in the future, this code will break. The only modifications done on the table was changing Column C into the Fund Codes used at FundSuperMart (You can get these from the URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...do?sedolnumber=MYKNGGF) and adding the value "*exit*" into the final row of Column C. Like this:
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Also, the formula for the Units calculation in Column M will sometimes result in an amount that doesn't reflect the value shown on FSM's website as the rounding order is different.
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Edit 12/7: Testing by polarzbearz reveals that my modification to the rounding formula is still not the formula that FSM uses [ Link to post ]


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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 11 2015, 11:23 PM)
If I may add, it is sort of a trick question; by asking how would the ROI drop in comparison to the IRR.

IRR or CAGR has the element of time, while ROI has not. The ROI can remain the same, and the IRR will decrease as time moves forward.

For example:
If IRR is 9.16% p.a., and the corresponding end period value (in 2 years) is RM 11,915.00. The ROI is 19.15%

And if the ROI is still RM1,915 or 19.15% at the end of 3 years, the IRR is 6.01%
And if the ROI is still RM1,915 or 19.15% at the end of 4 years, the IRR is 4.48%

In other words, if you pull out of an investment and keep the profits under your bed, you locked in the ROI but not the IRR.  hmm.gif
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hmm.gif rclxms.gif yes,...good illustration. notworthy.gif

my question is, if someone said, that his China fund's IRR dropped from 20%+ to IRR 10%
(so the time is I think is about 3 weeks different)....just wondering how much did his fund's ROI dropped in %.
(yes, I know Fund Returns tabs in the FSM can do that.....jus that it did not show that much....it just showed -6.5%.)
hmm.gif now come to think of it,...will his regular top ups of < 12 months time frame played a role in the big different of variance of IRR and ROI?

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 12:57 AM)
If anyone's interested, I've added the following code in polarzbearz IRR Excel sheet to obtain the latest NAV prices from FSM with just one click (I attached the macro to a button).
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif notworthy.gif Appreciated your contribution....that would really be VERY useful
hmm.gif will there be any other (indirectly linked) complication?
polarzbearz...could you check it out and test it out?
if ok,...then Please update it in the "mastercopy" and put it up so that it could be downloaded?

Some people says "GOD works in mysterious ways"
idyllrain 1st post, New member (but joined Apr 2008?)...great contribution!!
hmm.gif (just wondering who you really are).... biggrin.gif
Thanks anyway.. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 11 2015, 10:51 PM)
Why failed?

Any reason? Uncle got privileged membership! whistling.gif
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yes,..special priviledged membership to a RM 5 car park special!  biggrin.gif
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Venue is not at Wawasan University? Not free parking?
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Venue is not at Wawasan University? Not free parking?
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was for the many times....
But was told by the guards that now have to pay RM5.
I think it is "sendiri makan" one...so I left....used the RM5 go sendiri makan a bowl of prawn mee..
hmm.gif if I pay RM 5 and go in...and got tips...maybe can eat abalone mee. ... doh.gif ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 12 2015, 07:44 AM)
was for the many times....
But was told by the guards that now have to pay RM5.
I think it is "sendiri makan" one...so I left....used the RM5 go sendiri makan a bowl of prawn mee..
hmm.gif if I pay RM 5 and go in...and got tips...maybe can eat abalone mee. ...  doh.gif  ohmy.gif
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Where you tried to park?

Last time I parked at multi level car park.

Are you trying to park at those lots outside the building? LOL
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Where you tried to park?

Last time I parked at multi level car park.

Are you trying to park at those lots outside the building? LOL
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The guards standing in the front of the entrance just after the turn in from the main road....no chance to enter the multistory carpark that I used to
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The guards standing in the front of the entrance just after the turn in from the main road....no chance to enter the multistory carpark that I used to
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Have you send an email to FSM for complaint or clarification?
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Have you send an email to FSM for complaint or clarification?
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Btw,....the KL seminar's carpark also have to Pay RM 5 per entry too?
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was for the many times....
But was told by the guards that now have to pay RM5.
I think it is "sendiri makan" one...so I left....used the RM5 go sendiri makan a bowl of prawn mee..
hmm.gif if I pay RM 5 and go in...and got tips...maybe can eat abalone mee. ...  doh.gif  ohmy.gif
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Perhaps u consider motorbike next time hmm.gif
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Perhaps u consider motorbike next time  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 11 2015, 11:23 PM)
If I may add, it is sort of a trick question; by asking how would the ROI drop in comparison to the IRR.

IRR or CAGR has the element of time, while ROI has not. The ROI can remain the same, and the IRR will decrease as time moves forward.

For example:
If IRR is 9.16% p.a., and the corresponding end period value (in 2 years) is RM 11,915.00. The ROI is 19.15%

And if the ROI is still RM1,915 or 19.15% at the end of 3 years, the IRR is 6.01%
And if the ROI is still RM1,915 or 19.15% at the end of 4 years, the IRR is 4.48%

In other words, if you pull out of an investment and keep the profits under your bed, you locked in the ROI but not the IRR.  hmm.gif
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Awesome explanation J.passing.by! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 12:57 AM)
If anyone's interested, I've added the following code in polarzbearz IRR Excel sheet to obtain the latest NAV prices from FSM with just one click (I attached the macro to a button).

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Sub GetFundPrices()
   Set WS = Worksheets("Investment Details")
   Set htm = CreateObject("htmlFile")
   Set XML = CreateObject("msxml2.xmlhttp")
   
   Dim i As Long
   Dim lastRow As Long
   lastRow = WS.Range("C:C").Find(What:="*exit*", LookIn:=xlValues).Row

   'From first row all the way to the row containing the value *exit*'
   For i = 1 To lastRow
       'If this row is a group header row (Column A has a value of 1)'
       If WS.Cells(i, 1).Value = "1" Then
           Dim fundName As String

           'Get the fund code'
           fundName = WS.Cells(i, 3).Value
       
           'Download the correct price list'
           XML.Open "GET", "http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundinfo/dailyPricesHistory.tpl?id=" & fundName, False
           XML.send
           If XML.ReadyState = 4 And XML.Status = 200 Then
               htm.body.innerHTML = XML.responsetext

               On Error GoTo ErrHandler:
                   'Get all 4 cells in the first row of data'
                   Set FirstRow = htm.getElementsByTagName("tr")(2).Children
                   
                   'Update date value from 4th table cell of first row'
                   WS.Cells(i, 4).Value = FirstRow(3).innerText
                   
                   'Update NAV value from the DIV element in the 3rd table cell of first row'
                   WS.Cells(i, 9).Value = FirstRow(2).FirstChild().innerText
           End If
       End If
   Next i

   Exit Sub

ErrHandler:
   MsgBox ("Cannot load data. Either the FSM Code is incorrect or FundSuperMart is down.")
End Sub


As this code relies on FSM's price list pages, if there's any changes to that in the future, this code will break. The only modifications done on the table was changing Column C into the Fund Codes used at FundSuperMart (You can get these from the URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...do?sedolnumber=MYKNGGF) and adding the value "*exit*" into the final row of Column C. Like this:
user posted image

Also, the formula for the Units calculation in Column M will sometimes result in an amount that doesn't reflect the value shown on FSM's website as the rounding order is different.

This is the existing rounding formula in Column M (Removed the @ coz it will trigger tagging):
CODE
(-ROUND((ROUND(([Amount]/(1+([[Sales Charge / Redemption Fee]]*(1+[[GST %]])))),2)/[[NAV Price]]),2))+[[Transaction Manual Adj.]]

Changing it to this has resulted in all my values matching the ones on FSM's website:
CODE
(-ROUND((ROUND(([Amount]/(1+([[Sales Charge / Redemption Fee]]*(1+[[GST %]]))))/[[NAV Price]],2)),2))+[[Transaction Manual Adj.]]

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 12 2015, 07:11 AM)
hmm.gif  rclxms.gif yes,...good illustration.  notworthy.gif

my question is, if someone said, that his China fund's IRR dropped from 20%+ to IRR 10%
(so the time is I think is about 3 weeks different)....just wondering how much did his fund's ROI dropped in %.
(yes, I know Fund Returns tabs in the FSM can do that.....jus that it did not show that much....it just showed -6.5%.)
hmm.gif now come to think of it,...will his regular top ups of < 12 months time frame played a role in the big different of variance of IRR and ROI?
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You should stop wondering and make any further detective work on how much the ROI dropped; since the relevant info on how long the investment was held was not given. tongue.gif

You should also note that the -6.5% is based on a chart with a 3 weeks old date as its starting point. If you use one-year-old date, or any other date as the starting point, the growth rate will be different. Maybe showing a huge gain instead of a negative growth.

"...his China fund's IRR dropped from 20%+ to IRR 10%"
Are you working on the wrong premise that the drop is -10%?

Be careful with the "English" in the sentences.
It only shows a 10% difference; not a "drop in percentage".

A "percentage drop" is calculated based on its initial value. Going from 20 to 10, is a -50% drop. smile.gif

So you see, you have made several wrong maths logic to built up a question or maths problem. How to find a valid solution to an invalid problem? wink.gif


QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 12 2015, 11:04 AM)
Awesome explanation J.passing.by!  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

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Here's my modified copy (with some slight differences): https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9vv8oib6blxia3/P...bearz.xlsm?dl=0

Modifications I've made:
Added macro to obtain fund prices (Options -> Customize Ribbon -> Developer tab)
If you are not comfortable with code, I highly suggest that you don't use this file and let polarzbearz look at the code, verify that it doesn't do anything malicious then include it into his version. As this file contains a macro, it will trigger security warnings and you will need to enable macros in order to use it. You have to do this only once.
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The macro code in this file is slightly different than the one I posted above. The differences in this file is just that I added a message indicator saying what is being updated so that if something fails you'll know which fund is causing the problem:
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Code here for auditing:
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Changed "Investment Details" table into range (Table Design tab -> Convert to Range)
Since I just want to insert rows by "Select rows -> right click -> insert copied cells" *and* I don't really want to have tons of placeholder rows, I converted it to a normal range. The only downside to this, is that Excel will not autofill the formulas for you. However, it is really really simple to do that manually:
- Shift + spacebar (This selects the row if its not already selected)
- Ctrl + D (This takes the formula from the row above and fills it into the current row)
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I removed the dummy values for the IRR calculations
Since I don't have any retired funds... I understand they're there to fix a summary bug

Changed unit amount rounding order
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Edit 12/7: Testing by polarzbearz reveals that my modification to the rounding formula is still not the formula that FSM uses [ Link to post ]


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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 03:19 PM)
Here's my modified copy (with some slight differences): https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9vv8oib6blxia3/P...bearz.xlsm?dl=0

Modifications I've made:
Added macro to obtain fund prices (Options -> Customize Ribbon -> Developer tab)
If you are not comfortable with code, I highly suggest that you don't use this file and let polarzbearz look at the code and verify that it doesn't do anything malicious then include it into his version. As this file contains a macro, it will trigger security warnings and you will need to enable macros in order to use it. You have to do this only once.
user posted image

The macro code in this file is slightly different than the one I posted above. The differences in this file is just that I added a message indicator saying what is being updated so that if something fails you'll know which fund is causing the problem:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Code here for auditing:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Changed "Investment Details" table into range (Table Design tab -> Convert to Range)
Since I just want to insert rows by "Select rows -> right click -> insert copied cells" *and* I don't really want to have tons of placeholder rows, I converted it to a normal range. The only downside to this, is that Excel will not autofill the formulas for you. However, it is really really simple to do that manually:
- Shift + spacebar (This selects the row if its not already selected)
- Ctrl + D (This takes the formula from the row above and fills it into the current row)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I removed the dummy values for the IRR calculations
Since I don't have any retired funds... I understand they're there to fix a summary bug

Changed unit amount rounding order
As mentioned in my first post, this rounding appears to match what is shown in FSM's site. I have not encountered any differences between my units and the units shown on FSM's website yet... but my dataset is a lot smaller than all the seasoned investors here so please do check. If you had to use Transaction Adjustments to adjust your units before, this should eliminate the need for it.
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I'm currently modifying your original source (the first one which was provided), mainly on the ErrHandling part - so that the code continues to execute (for subsequent fund updates) even if there was error, and provides a summary at end of execution.
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Will release the next version with this feature once finalizing the codes laugh.gif

Here's a sneak peek:
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thumbup.gif thumbup.gif Good work on your side, never thought about fetching the NAV price from FSM directly

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I'm currently modifying your original source (the first one which was provided), mainly on the ErrHandling part - so that the code continues to execute (for subsequent fund updates) even if there was error, and provides a summary at end of execution.

Awesome! Time for me to lurk again~
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You should stop wondering and make any further detective work on how much the ROI dropped; since the relevant info on how long the investment was held was not giventongue.gif

You should also note that the -6.5% is based on a chart with a 3 weeks old date as its starting point. If you use one-year-old date, or any other date as the starting point, the growth rate will be different. Maybe showing a huge gain instead of a negative growth.

"...his China fund's IRR dropped from 20%+ to IRR 10%"
Are you working on the wrong premise that the drop is -10%?

Be careful with the "English" in the sentences.
It only shows a 10% difference; not a "drop in percentage".

A "percentage drop" is calculated based on its initial value. Going from 20 to 10, is a -50% drop.  smile.gif

So you see, you have made several wrong maths logic to built up a question or maths problem. How to find a valid solution to an invalid problem?  wink.gif
Thank you. I think it is worthwhile to further clarify some maths logic, especially IRR, since it has implications on how we do the 'investments' in unit trusts.
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rclxms.gif you are right.... notworthy.gif
did a trial and error method.....



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If anyone's interested, I've added the following code in polarzbearz IRR Excel sheet to obtain the latest NAV prices from FSM with just one click (I attached the macro to a button).
.......
As this code relies on FSM's price list pages, if there's any changes to that in the future, this code will break. The only modifications done on the table was changing Column C into the Fund Codes used at FundSuperMart (You can get these from the URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...do?sedolnumber=MYKNGGF) and adding the value "*exit*" into the final row of Column C.
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it shows this....
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guys, what is your take on Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund?

If were to compare with other Asia ex Japan funds, it's a laggard for a star fund I assumed.

Was it due to the fact that other funds have bigger exposure on China market which had an good annualized return over the past few years? or, this affin hwang merger really screw it?

p/s: still yield me a decent return tho.

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QUOTE(@secret@ @ Jul 12 2015, 04:53 PM)
guys, what is your take on Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund?

If were to compare with other Asia ex Japan funds, it's a laggard for a star fund I assumed.

Was it due to the fact that other funds have bigger exposure on China market which had an good annualized return over the past few years? or, this affin hwang merger really screw it?
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Well it invests in small cap companies. Different sector.

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Well it invests in small cap companies. Different sector.
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then only can compare with RHB Asian Growth Opp Fund hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 12 2015, 03:42 PM)
why is that when I tried to click on that link.....
it shows this....
(I just wanted to see what is the code for my funds...sort of a lists of them)
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Thats because when I bolded the "code" part of the URL, the link got broken.

Broken: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...do?sedolnumber=MYKNGGF (the bold part cannot be clicked)
Same Link without Bold: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYKNGGF
Price list that the excel macro gets: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi....tpl?id=MYKNGGF

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 05:27 PM)
Thats because when I bolded the "code" part of the URL, the link got broken.

Broken: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...do?sedolnumber=MYKNGGF (the bold part cannot be clicked)
Same Link without Bold: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYKNGGF
Price list that the excel macro gets: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi....tpl?id=MYKNGGF
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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 12:57 AM)

Also, the formula for the Units calculation in Column M will sometimes result in an amount that doesn't reflect the value shown on FSM's website as the rounding order is different.

This is the existing rounding formula in Column M (Removed the @ coz it will trigger tagging):
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(-ROUND((ROUND(([Amount]/(1+([[Sales Charge / Redemption Fee]]*(1+[[GST %]])))),2)/[[NAV Price]]),2))+[[Transaction Manual Adj.]]

Changing it to this has resulted in all my values matching the ones on FSM's website:
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(-ROUND((ROUND(([Amount]/(1+([[Sales Charge / Redemption Fee]]*(1+[[GST %]]))))/[[NAV Price]],2)),2))+[[Transaction Manual Adj.]]

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Regarding the above formula, I have tested with my sample (which is relatively small also) and seems like it will still sometime returns wrong decimal calculation (which requires manual transaction adjustment). Need to test further on the rounding but guess I'll leave it untouched in coming version for now.

Surprisingly, some of the transaction which requires "Manual Adjustment" were fixed with your formula, but some of those transaction which was accurate (no issues) now requires manual adjustment laugh.gif
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 12 2015, 05:35 PM)
Regarding the above formula, I have tested with my sample (which is relatively small also) and seems like it will still sometime returns wrong decimal calculation (which requires manual transaction adjustment). Need to test further on the rounding but guess I'll leave it untouched in coming version for now.

Surprisingly, some of the transaction which requires "Manual Adjustment" were fixed with your formula, but some of those transaction which was accurate (no issues) now requires manual adjustment laugh.gif
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smile.gif In that case then yeah, I agree its best to use your version. I'll update my posts to reflect your findings.
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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 05:40 PM)
smile.gif In that case then yeah, I agree its best to use your version. I'll update my posts to reflect your findings.
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Still trying to mess around with the placement of ROUND, ROUNDDOWN, but seems like there's always one or two weird transactions which just... have odd decimal sweat.gif

Will try it again next time laugh.gif
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Released v2.0 of the Portfolio Summary worksheet, with "Fund Update" features to fetch latest NAV price from FSM directly. Please remember to "ENABLE MACRO" when prompted by Microsoft Excel, as it is required for the Macro to run.
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Here's the code for the macro to fetch NAV Price from FSM website, if anyone is interested:
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Download Link: http://bit.ly/polarzbearzPortfolioSummary2
Change Log:
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Special Thanks: idyllrain, for providing the original macro to fetch fund prices from FSM directly.

Pink Spider Need your help to update the download link in the front page tongue.gif The old link no longer works as I've converted the file extension, resulting in different dropbox link sad.gif

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 12 2015, 05:48 PM)
Still trying to mess around with the placement of ROUND, ROUNDDOWN, but seems like there's always one or two weird transactions which just... have odd decimal sweat.gif

Will try it again next time laugh.gif
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polarbear test my link ok or not? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 12 2015, 07:31 PM)
my experience is CIMB always round down wink.gif
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Hmm, that could be the reason of deviation. Round down makes every transaction (with CIMB) appears OK, but other houses like RHB-OSK CMF became not ok sweat.gif

Gonna test more and if confirmed that differences come from different rounding methods per fundhouse, nothing much can be done (too much hassle tongue.gif) but use the manual adjustment

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polarbear test my link ok or not? tongue.gif
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Tested OK thumbup.gif notworthy.gif
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Hmm, that could be the reason of deviation. Round down makes every transaction (with CIMB) appears OK, but other houses like RHB-OSK CMF became not ok sweat.gif

Gonna test more and if confirmed that differences come from different rounding methods per fundhouse, nothing much can be done (too much hassle tongue.gif) but use the manual adjustment
Tested OK thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif
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ONLY CIMB rounds down, the rest all round to nearest 2 decimals
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 12 2015, 06:57 PM)
Released v2.0 of the Portfolio Summary worksheet, with "Fund Update" features to fetch latest NAV price from FSM directly. Please remember to "ENABLE MACRO" when prompted by Microsoft Excel, as it is required for the Macro to run.
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Here's the code for the macro to fetch NAV Price from FSM website, if anyone is interested:
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Download Link: http://bit.ly/polarzbearzPortfolioSummary2
Change Log:
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Special Thanks: idyllrain, for providing the original macro to fetch fund prices from FSM directly.

Pink Spider Need your help to update the download link in the front page tongue.gif The old link no longer works as I've converted the file extension, resulting in different dropbox link sad.gif
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OMG! <3 that's so awesome! I love u all!
hahaha it's a good way to update and makes checking it daily so much easier..

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sad thou.. my IRR +5 > +2.12%

Can i suggest the asset allocation also use macro tongue.gif
WeeeeW

That's version 3.0! biggrin.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif

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I got/once got...
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ONLY CIMB rounds down, the rest all round to nearest 2 decimals
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sorry, what do u mean by rounds down?  unsure.gif
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RM100 / RM1.2050 = 82.98755186721992 units

CIMB-Principal will give u 82.98 units

Whereas other fund houses will give u 82.99 units

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 12 2015, 06:57 PM)
Released v2.0 of the Portfolio Summary worksheet, with "Fund Update" features to fetch latest NAV price from FSM directly.
polarzbearz I just noticed that the msxml2.xmlhttp object we've used in our code appears to cache responses from the FSM server . If you have run the code once, and you don't exit Excel, and FundSuperMart updates their prices, and you run the code again, none of the prices in the Excel sheet will update to the latest (for non-techies, it means that Excel is storing old data and reusing it). (This caching is the reason why subsequent executions of the macro code are faster.)

To get past this, I've swapped to using the winhttp.winhttprequest.5.1 object that does not cache. These are the lines that need to be changed (I changed the variable name as well):
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-- Set XML = CreateObject("msxml2.xmlhttp")
++ Set Conn = CreateObject("winhttp.winhttprequest.5.1")

-- If XML.ReadyState = 4 And XML.Status = 200 Then
++ If Conn.Status = 200 Then

p/s: While waiting for him to update his file, you can force an update by just saving, exiting Excel, open the file again, and run the code. This issue is just a minor annoyance. smile.gif

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Lay man assessment of the current global market:-

1. Europe and Japan are relatively cheaper in valuation and worth buying in?

2. US market is still relatively expensive. Not worth buying in?

3. China market will rebound in the short run and then resume its market correction for the mid-term.

4. Malaysian market will resume its slow bleed until the end of 2015. Worth buying some for long term investment?

5. To keep more in fixed income/cash to take advantage of opportunities of the volatile markets?

Note : The Malaysian market is like the boiling frog story. This is an anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. In this context, the Malaysian market is declining slowly but surely, i.e. a slow boil.

In contrast, the Shanghai market is like putting a frog into boiling water. The frog will jump out immediately because the market fell 30% in one month.





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how do i see my shopping cart after i closed the fpx page ?

can still see my order in void page but cant find the option of making payment again
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 13 2015, 04:54 PM)
Lay man assessment of the current global market:-

1.  Europe and Japan are relatively cheaper in valuation and worth buying in?

2.  US market is still relatively expensive. Not worth buying in?

3.  China market will rebound in the short run and then resume its market correction for the mid-term.

4.  Malaysian market will resume its slow bleed until the end of 2015. Worth buying some for long term investment?

5.  To keep more in fixed income/cash to take advantage of opportunities of the volatile markets?

Note :  The Malaysian market is like the boiling frog story. This is an anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. In this context, the Malaysian market is declining slowly but surely, i.e. a slow boil.

In contrast, the Shanghai market is like putting a frog into boiling water. The frog will jump out immediately because the market fell 30% in one month.
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Greece bailout: Alexis Tsipras accepts 86-billion-euro bailout from eurozone leaders after 17 hours of talks
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-13/euro...e-talks/6616448
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Greece bailout: Alexis Tsipras accepts 86-billion-euro bailout from eurozone leaders after 17 hours of talks
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-13/euro...e-talks/6616448
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hi sifus all
how do i see my shopping cart after i closed the fpx page ?

can still see my order in void page but cant find the option of making payment again
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My Investment > View Holdings

scroll down, Purchases~
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Time to get in or top up Europe ?  sweat.gif
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is there any sharing session for unit trusts newbie here?
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is there any sharing session for unit trusts newbie here?
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I found this on google.
hope it helps to provide some info while waiting....
Unit Trust Funds Investment For Beginners
https://www.imoney.my/articles/unit-trust-funds-investment
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fsmwe...atSubHeaderId=1
http://invest.com.my/personal/learn/basics/
http://kclau.com/investment/everything-abo...st-in-malaysia/
https://www.cimb-principal.com.my/Unit_Trus...ust_Basics.aspx
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/Resources/U...ustLessons.aspx
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 13 2015, 08:56 PM)
thx man
but i also prefer to attend a session to get more idea too
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I got/once got...
RHB-OSK
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ONLY CIMB rounds down, the rest all round to nearest 2 decimals
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That explains why rounding down fixes the difference in CIMB funds, but screw up my non cimb funds laugh.gif

I'll leave it as it is
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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jul 13 2015, 12:38 AM)
OMG! <3 that's so awesome! I love u all!
hahaha it's a good way to update and makes checking it daily so much easier..

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sad thou.. my IRR +5 > +2.12%

Can i suggest the asset allocation also use macro tongue.gif
WeeeeW

That's version 3.0!  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif  tongue.gif
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I was actually already prototyping something like what you mentioned (automation to fetch list of funds from Investment Details onto the Fund Allocation worksheet), so we only have to update the % of funds based on PDF fact sheet.

But I got too lazy and busy in between that I kinda put it on hold tongue.gif

It's still in the version I'm using, but not fully developed yet (some missing logic tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 13 2015, 01:09 PM)
polarzbearz I just noticed that the msxml2.xmlhttp object we've used in our code appears to cache responses from the FSM server . If you have run the code once, and you don't exit Excel, and FundSuperMart updates their prices, and you run the code again, none of the prices in the Excel sheet will update to the latest (for non-techies, it means that Excel is storing old data and reusing it). (This caching is the reason why subsequent executions of the macro code are faster.)

To get past this, I've swapped to using the winhttp.winhttprequest.5.1 object that does not cache. These are the lines that need to be changed (I changed the variable name as well):
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-- Set XML = CreateObject("msxml2.xmlhttp")
++ Set Conn = CreateObject("winhttp.winhttprequest.5.1")

-- If XML.ReadyState = 4 And XML.Status = 200 Then
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p/s: While waiting for him to update his file, you can force an update by just saving, exiting Excel, open the file again, and run the code. This issue is just a minor annoyance. smile.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 13 2015, 01:49 PM)
calling polarzbearz...pls take note of post# 447
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Well noted on this nod.gif

But I guess the impact is very minimal as chances of us updating the excel file the same time as FSM is minimal.

Will release a minor version for above fix soon (optional to download).
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U.S. Stocks Rise, Following Global Reaction to Greece Deal
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As per recommendation from idyllrain, minor-fix has been applied to the "Fund Update" feature and v2.1 of the Portfolio Summary worksheet has been pushed to Dropbox available for download.

Note: This version has minor fix on the highlighted bug below, and is optional to download (if you are lazy to re-import your data to the worksheet

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Download Link: http://bit.ly/polarzbearzPortfolioSummary2
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 13 2015, 10:26 PM)
As per recommendation from idyllrain, minor-fix has been applied to the "Fund Update" feature and v2.1 of the Portfolio Summary worksheet has been pushed to Dropbox available for download.

Note: This version has minor fix on the highlighted bug below, and is optional to download (if you are lazy to re-import your data to the worksheet

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Download Link: http://bit.ly/polarzbearzPortfolioSummary2
Change Log:
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New Code for Techies Only:
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user posted image

Previous Release:
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whistling.gif my funds too much to redo everything.. whistling.gif
wait for version 3.0 sifu~ tongue.gif brows.gif brows.gif
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ahh manulife india fund very rewarding this month, +6% biggrin.gif
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DJIA up 217 or 1.2%
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Five Charts Putting China's Stock Market Mayhem in Perspective
"Markets are allowed to operate on the way up, not on the way down"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-in-perspective

Bulls are using the measures to justify investing in shares. Chen Xiaofei, an investment adviser at Changjiang Securities Co. in Shanghai, tells margin-trading clients -- some sitting on losses of as much as 60 percent -- to stick with their positions because state support will lead to a rally.
“In China, once the government is acting, there’s no difficulty we cannot get over,” Chen said.


.... China’s 90 million individual investors, who drive more than 80 percent of trades on mainland bourses. Fifty-four percent of those surveyed by CLSA predict shares will rise in the next three months, with 66 percent saying they expect the government to support the market. About 77 percent say they’ll maintain or boost holdings over the next month, CLSA wrote in a July 6 report.

The government’s series of measures will eventually take effect,” he said. “I’m still confident in the market’s future.”


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I'm DCA-ing my ponzi 2.0 now. lolxxx. no balls to lump sum. hahaha.

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Top Markets 1H 15: A Shares Surged To The Top

As we move into 2H 2015, we take a closer look at some of the top-performing markets for the first half of the year (China A, Russia and Japan) as well as those on the other side of the fence (Brazil, Malaysia and Indonesia) to identify some of the key reasons for their either stellar or disappointing performance as well as our outlook for each market.

GOING FORWARD

In recent times, news of renewed Greek sovereign debt woes as well as the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) in South Korea continue to dominate financial headlines. With regards to the Greek debacle, we are of the opinion that a positive outcome or resolution is the most likely, given that it is in nobody’s interest should a “Grexit” materialises (investors interested to know more may view: Grexit: Will They Or Won’t They?). With regards to the MERS outbreak, we believe that there is no reason to panic, given the fact that MERS does not spread as easily as SARS. Recent stock price movements indicate that the market generally believes that domestic-orientated sectors will suffer greater negative impacts from the illness, but the impact on the overall South Korean equity market is unlikely to be significant. While the issue has clearly dampened investment sentiment, we advise investors to focus on the long term – valuations of Korean equities remain attractive at this current juncture as compared with other markets under our coverage.

With the above being mentioned, a continued disparity in valuations dictates that a more positive view on the Emerging Markets versus the developed markets is still warranted, and we are maintaining a 5.0 star rating on both Asia ex-Japan and Emerging Markets (particularly North Asia, where we expect the market to deliver strong returns over the next three years). With regards to the US and European equity markets, expected total returns are lower than where they previously were at this current juncture (as of 30 June 2015). We retain our 2.5 stars “Neutral” rating on both markets, and continue to monitor their valuations closely, advising investors to take profits along the way should the market as well as valuations continue to tread higher.

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In all fairness, I am glad I have a chance to experience such severe sell-down of a market that I am exposed to. During the sell-down, my equity portion consisted of 80% in China exposure.

Actually it allows me to experience the fear and anxiety and to test my resolve. It sort of answer my own personal doubt... will I panic, will I run and hide?

Again, without ever being in the market, you will never know and no amount of text-book material will help you manage your emotion.

I am happy I have chance to go through this roller-coster ride.... and Woo-hooo what a fantastic ride.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 14 2015, 03:04 PM)
In all fairness, I am glad I have a chance to experience such severe sell-down of a market that I am exposed to. During the sell-down, my equity portion consisted of 80% in China exposure.

Actually it allows me to experience the fear and anxiety and to test my resolve. It sort of answer my own personal doubt... will I panic, will I run and hide?

Again, without ever being in the market, you will never know and no amount of text-book material will help you manage your emotion.

I am happy I have chance to go through this roller-coster ride.... and Woo-hooo what a fantastic ride.

Xuzen
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I was dumbfounded, freezed and did nothing.....
Now, Portfolio XIRR almost climbed back to End June level
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 14 2015, 03:04 PM)
In all fairness, I am glad I have a chance to experience such severe sell-down of a market that I am exposed to. During the sell-down, my equity portion consisted of 80% in China exposure.

Actually it allows me to experience the fear and anxiety and to test my resolve. It sort of answer my own personal doubt... will I panic, will I run and hide?

Again, without ever being in the market, you will never know and no amount of text-book material will help you manage your emotion.

I am happy I have chance to go through this roller-coster ride.... and Woo-hooo what a fantastic ride.

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Did it. Done it.
Vomit through out the ride.
0% in China exposure since then.

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How much negative ROI have u guys experienced?

I experienced -25% whistling.gif

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I guess during the sell offs we should do top ups of 10 % (1000-1000-1000-1000........) each day and enjoy the entire ride , and smile after everything is over
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How much negative ROI have u guys experienced?

I experienced -25% whistling.gif

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I guess during the sell offs we should do top ups of 10 % (1000-1000-1000-1000........) each day and enjoy the entire ride , and smile after everything is over
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did you do that? how do u know its rock bottom already ha? unsure.gif
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I was dumbfounded, freezed and did nothing.....
Now, Portfolio XIRR almost climbed back to End June level
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doing nothing IS a choice of doing something tongue.gif
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doing nothing IS a choice of doing something tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Jul 14 2015, 02:30 PM)
did you do that? how do u know its rock bottom already ha?  unsure.gif
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i did that .. but every other day since there is a 1% sc promo . frankly speaking nobody knows when it will be hitting rock bottom ,so, instead of waiting for it to dump the entire amount in, i prefer consistent topups during the selloff , like our pinky kor kor said top up jangan tak top up smile.gif

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sometimes, for some markets....the drops takes longer to goes up....if top up, top up, top up...until pocket kosong it still not yet reach bottom
ex...Shanghai index peak 1 Oct 2007, bottomed at Oct 2008
Nasdaq (Dot com) index peaked Mar 2000, bottomed at Oct 2002
Nikkei index peaked in 1990, bottomed in 2003

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 14 2015, 04:05 PM)
I prefer to have someone else sitting on me brows.gif
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Well, it depends..
Whether one prefers to be the actioneer or actioneee
and/or
Whether one has the resources & stamina to keep at it
and/or
etc. etc.

er.. talking about $, time, interest in keeping tabs on the investments to act on it or just let the market act on existing held investments yar brows.gif
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 14 2015, 04:17 PM)
sometimes, for some markets....the drops takes longer to goes up....if top up, top up, top up...until pocket kosong it still not yet reach bottom
ex...Shanghai index peak 1 Oct 2007, bottomed at Oct 2008
Nasdaq (Dot com) index peaked Mar 2000, bottomed at Oct 2002
Nikkei index peaked in 1990, bottomed in 2003
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worse i think was ASEAN flu time 2007-2008
2007 down like nuts, then climb back up slightly...
then 2008 wham! KLCI 200+ points left only

Top up lar... daily/monthly lar.. unless unlimited funds.. shocking.gif
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personally, i'd do only once in 6 mths
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