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post Jul 3 2015, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 3 2015, 03:41 PM)
Note for newbies: China, although Shanghai index down 25+/-% from highest 12 mths' closing, it is still 80%+ up from 12 mths ago

Thus pls don't go banzai / all-in and then get mowed down yar (then blame the stupid monkey sharing statistics pulak)
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post Jul 3 2015, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 3 2015, 09:38 PM)
Greece to auction T-bills on July 8 as scheduled despite bank hiatus

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/World/2015/...pite-bank-woes/
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post Jul 8 2015, 03:13 PM

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The equity portion of my portfolio dropped 4.5% in total... mainly from China exposure.

At this moment is 60% China; 40% Tech Sector.

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post Jul 9 2015, 10:58 AM

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@Labah-labah merah jambu & David... read my post Algozen™ for Jun'15

Basically my data was as of 31/5/2015 and I received it by 3rd week of June-15. My next fresh set of data will be for 30/6/2015 and I expect to get it by the final week of Jul-15.

I am not Bloomberg or CNNMoney... my info is not 24/7.

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post Jul 9 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Jul 9 2015, 01:58 PM)
I noticed there is a number of Asia ex-Japan funds having quite a substantial investment in China market. Do you think it is kind of overlapping if one also invest in Greater China funds?
Should I exit Greater China fund since I have already invested heavily in Asia ex-Japan fund?
Appreciate your advice. Thanks.
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Generally overlapping is not good idea.

Single country is like in the roulette table you buy the single number... kena will kena "kaw-kaw"

Asia ex-Jp is like buying "six" or 1/3 of the table... more chance to kena but pay-time, no shiok wan... chicken feet return only.

Single country or broad based... depends on your risk appetite and how much "$$$" you have lar....

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post Jul 10 2015, 11:19 AM

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For those with some technical knowledge may it this steady your nerves. For those without, just read it with an open mind.

My China exposure has moved to -1.24 z score. This means that there will be more than 68% chance that it will bounce back to the mean.

What this means? Top up lar!

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post Jul 10 2015, 01:19 PM

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Amboi! Semua merah-merah belaka, macam auntie visit!

Nowhere to run...no where to hide.



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post Jul 10 2015, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 10 2015, 12:40 PM)
>69% chance better lar, 1 SD tongue.gif
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It is has gone above -1 SD liao... reversion to mean is highly likely.

Think of the mean or average as an imaginary elastic line. When you pull it too either side, it will want to go back to its original shape. The further you pull it from its resting line (aka the mean value) the more it wants to go back to the mean.

So in financial modelling, we use Standard Deviation as a marker from how far it has moved from the mean. Right now, the China fund has breached -1 SD and based on statistical modelling, it wants to revert to the mean (in technical term this is called regression to the mean). In financial modelling stats; -1 SD... it has a probability of 66.67% to move towards the mean. If it has gone to -2 SD.. then the probability becomes 95.00%. At - 3 SD... the probability becomes 99.99%. -3SD is the max liao. There is no -3.01 SD or whatever.

However do note that in Black Swan Event all calculations are off as are all the modelling will be null and void.

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post Jul 11 2015, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 10:33 AM)
hmm.gif assuming one holds a funds for 2 years
ROI is 40% (for easy calculation)ROI 40/2 yrs thus IRR is 20%
if now the ROI is 20% thus the IRR is 10%
thus ROI drops 20%?

is my calculation and assumption corrects?
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Hmmmm yummy simple fifth grade soalan kira-kira:

Let's put some numbers for illustration.

Initial capital = RM 10,000.00

After two years, portfolio = 14,000.00 = ROI 40%.

IRR or CAGR =/= 20% = 18.32% p.a.

Lets say it drops 20%; 14,000 - 20% = RM 11,200.00

Then IRR =/= 10% = 5.83% p.a.

Now you owe me coffee....

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post Jul 11 2015, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 11 2015, 05:03 PM)
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let's say....(from the 1st part your illustration).

Initial capital = RM 10,000.00

After two years, portfolio = 14,000.00 = ROI 40%.

IRR or CAGR =/= 20% = 18.32% p.a.

If the IRR dropped by half (18.32/2=9.16%), what is the % of ROI drops?

Kopi Tarik on the way....
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if IRR = 9.16% p.a., then the corresponding end period value is RM 11,915.00

the drop is from RM 14,000 to RM 11,915 i.e., a 14.89% drop in simple arimethic calculation.

Hence if the IRR is halved from 18.32 to 9.16, then the corresponding ROI drop is 14.89% and is not 20%.

You need to appreciate that arimethic is a simple straight line calculation whereas IRR is compounded return and uses geometric calculation (exponential and logarithmic function)
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 11 2015, 11:23 PM)
If I may add, it is sort of a trick question; by asking how would the ROI drop in comparison to the IRR.

IRR or CAGR has the element of time, while ROI has not. The ROI can remain the same, and the IRR will decrease as time moves forward.

For example:
If IRR is 9.16% p.a., and the corresponding end period value (in 2 years) is RM 11,915.00. The ROI is 19.15%

And if the ROI is still RM1,915 or 19.15% at the end of 3 years, the IRR is 6.01%
And if the ROI is still RM1,915 or 19.15% at the end of 4 years, the IRR is 4.48%

In other words, if you pull out of an investment and keep the profits under your bed, you locked in the ROI but not the IRR.  hmm.gif
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Awesome explanation J.passing.by! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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In all fairness, I am glad I have a chance to experience such severe sell-down of a market that I am exposed to. During the sell-down, my equity portion consisted of 80% in China exposure.

Actually it allows me to experience the fear and anxiety and to test my resolve. It sort of answer my own personal doubt... will I panic, will I run and hide?

Again, without ever being in the market, you will never know and no amount of text-book material will help you manage your emotion.

I am happy I have chance to go through this roller-coster ride.... and Woo-hooo what a fantastic ride.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 14 2015, 03:49 PM)
How much negative ROI have u guys experienced?

I experienced -25% whistling.gif

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My china fund went more than -1 Standard Deviation, which to my understanding, based on my finance study, means the chance of a rebound is very high. So I use that to stay my emotion. If I don't know all this finance mumbo-jumbo hocus-pocus, I would have panic and sell everything!

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 14 2015, 04:33 PM)
what if the situation were to be reversed? ex
fund went more than +1 Standard Deviation, does that means the chance of a corrections is very high also. ....how do you react then?
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I would reduce my exposure... or rather Algozen™ would "advise" me to reduce exposure.

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p/s as of today's NAV, my China exposure has gone from > -1 SD to around +ve 0.5 SD. So it is now in the common zone.



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post Jul 14 2015, 04:42 PM

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YKLooi,

Read back my post on the explanation of using an imaginary elastic rubber band to illustrate the concept of Standard Deviation and Z-score.

Understand or not?

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post Jul 20 2015, 04:22 PM

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What is there to say? Our NAV still not updated yet....


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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 20 2015, 03:32 PM)
Changes To Star Ratings For 2Q 15: Upgrading Japan & Initiating Chinese A-Share Coverage

we upgrade our star ratings for Japan from 3.0 Stars to 3.5 Stars “Attractive.”
While we have retained our 5 Stars – “Very Attractive” rating for the Chinese H-Share market,
we initiate coverage of the China A-Share market with a 3.5 Stars – “Attractive” rating.

We maintain our rating of 2.5 Stars – “Neutral” at this juncture for the European market.
Thus, we maintain our 2.5 Stars “Neutral” for the US.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=6060
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Japan = only on fund that does Japan.

How to compare and evaluate it? For all we know, that fund manager may have given some "incentive" brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif to FSM analyst to say something positive on Japan....

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post Jul 22 2015, 10:59 PM

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The oracle speaketh:

Do not ignore land of Uncle Sam;
rate hike in anticipation in that realm;
Technology theme is to watch;
much gain I may vouch;

The dragon has been wounded;
Reduce is wise, but remain grounded;
The elephant is charging again;
Time to ride its stampede to gain.

So sayeth the cystal ball.

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 22 2015, 11:06 PM)
land of Uncle Sam - USA

dragon - China

elephant- Thailand

correct?  unsure.gif  hmm.gif
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elephant = India aka Modiland!

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post Jul 23 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 22 2015, 11:06 PM)
land of Uncle Sam - USA

dragon - China

elephant- Thailand

correct?  unsure.gif  hmm.gif
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There is no Thailand as a standalone country specific fund here... they usually round it up with ASEAN fund.

My previous exposure was Greater China = 60%; Global Tech Sector (as a thematic play) = 40%.

For this month moving forward, my Greater China = 30%, India = 30% & Global Tech Sector (as a thematic play) = 40%

You will notice I do not spread into too many fund as my Algozen™ tend to be focus.

Overall since last month, I made a loss of 3.5% from China exposure but gained back 0.5% from my Tech sector, making my net loss of 3.0% in one mth time. Yes, China was a scary ride... but what a ride! Woo Hoo,,,,,

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