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post May 17 2017, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(oyching88 @ May 16 2017, 06:09 PM)
The base is to avoid the eSpring get water soak and turned yellowish, not nice looking. Sometimes when we wash hand or plates the water splash we didn't clean it. It's up to individual preference though. I have customers which want to retain the plastic as well, it looks like brand new even after years.
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Agreed the base is look ugly but I seen in my other friend house also do the same thing
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post May 17 2017, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(fireballs @ May 16 2017, 11:33 PM)
of course. just that i believe its better to leave the amway filter as clean as possible.
use an external pp/ceramic to filter the bigger particles

but then again... espring got smartchip lock.. want to prolong the life of the filter also no use.
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eSpring smart chip is a recorder to tell you how much water you have filtered and used. It will start beeping and blinking when it had filtered 5000 litres. However that does not mean water can no longer flows out of eSpring. If you think adding an external water filter can prolong the cartridge's life, you can still continue to use it. When you turn on the tap water will still comes out of eSpring (just ignore the beeping and blinking). But please bare in mind that the efficiency is not 100% and there is risk that some contaminants will not be filtered. The activated carbon and UV light are designed to filter water efficiently up to 5000 litres.

Think of it this way: Our cars need to change the engine oil after running 5000km. We can add some 'cleaning oil' in the petrol to clean the engine to maintain the car's efficiency. We can still drive our car after 5000km, but how sure are we that the car will not give any problem after that? The engine oil is developed and design to lubricate the engine after running 5000km. If we drive more than that without changing the engine oil, we will bare the risk that the car will have problem.

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 16 2017, 11:41 AM)
Basically it clarifies that eSpring is indeed a NSF certified product but the scamming part is the over pricing product for a simple PP+carbon block + uv water filter.

Thanks for the link, I found the product code in China for 3M filters.
With these infos, it helps to search for cheaper replacement 3M cartridges in Taobao. For example, I can save more than RM100 for C-Complete replacement cartridge.
https://world.taobao.com/item/528935850182....0.pVvyCK#detail
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mean...u r using 3M filter...which model???
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QUOTE(Terbulance @ May 17 2017, 09:09 AM)
eSpring smart chip is a recorder to tell you how much water you have filtered and used. It will start beeping and blinking when it had filtered 5000 litres. However that does not mean water can no longer flows out of eSpring. If you think adding an external water filter can prolong the cartridge's life, you can still continue to use it. When you turn on the tap water will still comes out of eSpring (just ignore the beeping and blinking). But please bare in mind that the efficiency is not 100% and there is risk that some contaminants will not be filtered. The activated carbon and UV light are designed to filter water efficiently up to 5000 litres.

Think of it this way: Our cars need to change the engine oil after running 5000km. We can add some 'cleaning oil' in the petrol to clean the engine to maintain the car's efficiency. We can still drive our car after 5000km, but how sure are we that the car will not give any problem after that? The engine oil is developed and design to lubricate the engine after running 5000km. If we drive more than that without changing the engine oil, we will bare the risk that the car will have problem.
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can share what is the maintenance like for this espring?
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QUOTE(billy08 @ May 17 2017, 03:31 PM)
can share what is the maintenance like for this espring?
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First year rm3604 / 5000 liter = rm 0.72 / liter

2nd year onwards you only need to change the whole set of cartridge after 1 year or 5000 liter (rm583)

I.e rm583 / 5000Litre = rm0.11 / litre

500ml of spritzer mineral water is selling at rm1.60.




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post May 17 2017, 04:41 PM

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Is there any others option other than Espring in term of water quality and price??

This post has been edited by Ronald_loulan: May 17 2017, 04:54 PM
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post May 17 2017, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(chpingping @ May 16 2017, 10:26 PM)
Hi..there are so many discussions that I am seeing stars after reading.

Just wanna ask have you guys heard of Aqua Green Water Filter? Also, if I want to install in my apartment, what water filter you recommend that is below RM3k? We are thinking of installing outdoor water filter and buy a simple kitchen top (RM100++). Do you all recommend that? eSpring we cannot afford for now.

Sorry if I ask a ques that others have asked before.
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If you are low on budget, there are some value for money filters available in the market yet provide clean and NSF certified water for your family.

For limited outdoor space in your apartment, I suggest you buy Secure back wash filter system. The price is around RM450 and replacement cartridge is around RM40. For outdoor filter, it's unnecessary to be NSF certified.


For indoor kitchen top, the cheapest NSF certified is 3M CTM-01 (replace 3M C-complete cartridge when original cartridge is due for replacement ). Last month a forumer bought it from Tesco @ RM299.
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There you go, less than RM1k and you got yourself a clean water to bath and laundry and NSF certified water for drinking.

This post has been edited by aeiou228: May 17 2017, 05:23 PM
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post May 17 2017, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 17 2017, 05:20 PM)
If you are low on budget, there are some value for money filters available in the market yet provide clean and NSF certified water for your family.

For limited outdoor space in your apartment, I suggest you buy Secure back wash filter system. The price is around RM450 and replacement cartridge is around RM40. For outdoor filter, it's unnecessary to be NSF certified.


For indoor kitchen top, the cheapest NSF certified is 3M CTM-01 (replace 3M C-complete cartridge when original cartridge is due for replacement ). Last month a forumer bought it from Tesco @ RM299.
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There you go, less than RM1k and you got yourself a clean water to bath and laundry and NSF certified water for drinking.
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How many nsf cerificate this one has? How many does espring has?
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 17 2017, 05:20 PM)
If you are low on budget, there are some value for money filters available in the market yet provide clean and NSF certified water for your family.

For limited outdoor space in your apartment, I suggest you buy Secure back wash filter system. The price is around RM450 and replacement cartridge is around RM40. For outdoor filter, it's unnecessary to be NSF certified.


For indoor kitchen top, the cheapest NSF certified is 3M CTM-01 (replace 3M C-complete cartridge when original cartridge is due for replacement ). Last month a forumer bought it from Tesco @ RM299.
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There you go, less than RM1k and you got yourself a clean water to bath and laundry and NSF certified water for drinking.
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Can't seem to be able to find model CTM-01 in NSF website tho

http://info.nsf.org/Certified/dwtu/listing...er&Program=DWTU
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QUOTE(tyss @ May 17 2017, 05:44 PM)
How many nsf cerificate  this one has? How many  does espring  has?
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Numbers doesn't matter, is the type/level of certification. Is like pmr, some, stamp, degree, Master.
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post May 17 2017, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Terbulance @ May 17 2017, 09:09 AM)
eSpring smart chip is a recorder to tell you how much water you have filtered and used. It will start beeping and blinking when it had filtered 5000 litres. However that does not mean water can no longer flows out of eSpring. If you think adding an external water filter can prolong the cartridge's life, you can still continue to use it. When you turn on the tap water will still comes out of eSpring (just ignore the beeping and blinking). But please bare in mind that the efficiency is not 100% and there is risk that some contaminants will not be filtered. The activated carbon and UV light are designed to filter water efficiently up to 5000 litres.

Think of it this way: Our cars need to change the engine oil after running 5000km. We can add some 'cleaning oil' in the petrol to clean the engine to maintain the car's efficiency. We can still drive our car after 5000km, but how sure are we that the car will not give any problem after that? The engine oil is developed and design to lubricate the engine after running 5000km. If we drive more than that without changing the engine oil, we will bare the risk that the car will have problem.
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Noted with thanks. thats a good analogy.
does the uv lamp work after the catridge expire?
how much is the uv lamp? i notice you dint put in the calculation
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post May 17 2017, 07:27 PM

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i am using a cosway-3m combo.
looking for upgrade.
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QUOTE(Ronald_loulan @ May 17 2017, 04:41 PM)
Is there any others option other than Espring in term of water quality and price??
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Besides Espring, many people here recommend 3M and Aquaphor
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post May 17 2017, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(tyss @ May 17 2017, 05:44 PM)
How many nsf cerificate  this one has? How many  does espring  has?
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Both have NSF/ANSI Standard 42 and 53.
ESpring has extra NSF standard 55 for UV but price also extra by more than 3k.
For those on value for money budget filter, alternative to NSF standard 55 is to boil the water.
BTW, my suggestions were intended to those who are looking for affordable clean and NSF certified water filter at lowest cost.
If budget is not a concern, no need to compare, just buy any brand you think is best.

QUOTE(szewei84 @ May 17 2017, 05:51 PM)
Can't seem to be able to find model CTM-01 in NSF website tho

http://info.nsf.org/Certified/dwtu/listing...er&Program=DWTU
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3M CTM-01 is using C-CTM-01 cartridge. It is tested in accordance with NSF/ANSI Standard 42 & 53 without certification. Use the C-CTM-01 till the next cartridge replacement and replace it with 3M C-Complete cartridge which is listed and certified in NSF.

Additional tip for budget conscious consumer, if you save RM4k in FD @4%p.a. You will earn RM160 interest per annum. You can then use the money to subsidize the purchase of C-Complete replacement cartridge every year.
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QUOTE(ken_zen @ May 17 2017, 09:46 PM)
Besides Espring, many people here recommend 3M and Aquaphor
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I read as Many recommend 3M and Amway, while Aquaphor is being promote. Promote and Recommend is two different things.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 17 2017, 05:20 PM)
If you are low on budget, there are some value for money filters available in the market yet provide clean and NSF certified water for your family.

For limited outdoor space in your apartment, I suggest you buy Secure back wash filter system. The price is around RM450 and replacement cartridge is around RM40. For outdoor filter, it's unnecessary to be NSF certified.


For indoor kitchen top, the cheapest NSF certified is 3M CTM-01 (replace 3M C-complete cartridge when original cartridge is due for replacement ). Last month a forumer bought it from Tesco @ RM299.
user posted image

There you go, less than RM1k and you got yourself a clean water to bath and laundry and NSF certified water for drinking.
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I am looking to replace my mom membrane outdoor filter, do you know any dealer doing " Secure back wash"?
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QUOTE(fireballs @ May 16 2017, 11:33 PM)
of course. just that i believe its better to leave the amway filter as clean as possible.
use an external pp/ceramic to filter the bigger particles

but then again... espring got smartchip lock.. want to prolong the life of the filter also no use.
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Many cartridge is designed for certain period of time, the performance will drop significantly after the said period. So is better to change it rather than prolong it smile.gif
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 17 2017, 05:20 PM)
If you are low on budget, there are some value for money filters available in the market yet provide clean and NSF certified water for your family.

For limited outdoor space in your apartment, I suggest you buy Secure back wash filter system. The price is around RM450 and replacement cartridge is around RM40. For outdoor filter, it's unnecessary to be NSF certified.


For indoor kitchen top, the cheapest NSF certified is 3M CTM-01 (replace 3M C-complete cartridge when original cartridge is due for replacement ). Last month a forumer bought it from Tesco @ RM299.
user posted image

There you go, less than RM1k and you got yourself a clean water to bath and laundry and NSF certified water for drinking.
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This is not NSF certified, even their website didn't mention about it.
http://www.3m.com.my/3M/en_MY/company-my/a...91210533&rt=rud
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QUOTE(fireballs @ May 17 2017, 07:26 PM)
Noted with thanks. thats a good analogy.
does the uv lamp work after the catridge expire?
how much is the uv lamp? i notice you dint put in the calculation
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There's no guarantee for the UV light to keep operating after expired. The UV light is built-in inside the cartridge together with the activated carbon block.
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Inner view of the cartridge.
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post May 18 2017, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 17 2017, 05:20 PM)
If you are low on budget, there are some value for money filters available in the market yet provide clean and NSF certified water for your family.

For limited outdoor space in your apartment, I suggest you buy Secure back wash filter system. The price is around RM450 and replacement cartridge is around RM40. For outdoor filter, it's unnecessary to be NSF certified.

For indoor kitchen top, the cheapest NSF certified is 3M CTM-01 (replace 3M C-complete cartridge when original cartridge is due for replacement ). Last month a forumer bought it from Tesco @ RM299.
There you go, less than RM1k and you got yourself a clean water to bath and laundry and NSF certified water for drinking.
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Apartment, how to backwash. hmm.

Where to get it for @RM450? I think I'll get the Secure over the Diamond Master Filter, since can DIY backwash and also to change the filter.

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