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Terbulance
post Jan 9 2016, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(ck2chan @ Jan 9 2016, 12:52 AM)
wall mount kit buy from where?
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You can buy it from any Amway distributor. You can view it here.
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post Jan 29 2016, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(sillybearz @ Jan 27 2016, 07:19 PM)
I'd love to go to your shop, but it is really far from my place, I am from puchong lol...

I have received so many pm regarding espring, so many amway distributors in this forum and of course all amway distributors recommend espring. Any genuine user can give some feedbacks? haha
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I believe those who PMed you do use eSpring themselves, including me who used it for 10 years. The problem I encountered is the cartridge got problem. Send it back to HQ and got a new cartridge as replacement. Usually within 3 days will solve the problem.
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post Jul 5 2016, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(saw2001 @ Jul 5 2016, 09:41 AM)
Between Espring, coway, cuckoo, which one do you guys recommend For me to install in my house?
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In a nutshell:

eSpring - Water is treated using activated carbon and UV light, NSF certified 42, 53, 55 & 401

Coway - RO water. Clean by using 0.0001 micron membrane. Generally produce clean and waste water at ratio of 1:4. Not recommended by WHO. Link here.

Cuckoo - Alkaline water. No official medical proof that it improves health, which is the main selling point. Typically not focus on cleaning or treating water.

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post Jul 14 2016, 02:50 PM

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Then the company denies that it claimed anything and pushed the responsibility to the distributors.

Source
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post Jul 14 2016, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jul 14 2016, 04:13 PM)
i thought all the while kangen promote their water like miracle can cure lots of sickness, skin problem and also used in hospitals that is why they are selling for RM 12k. Now the company say no such thing... so why pay so much for just alkaline water?

Recently seems like kangen and coway got into trouble already, i have several Amway friends keep on sharing the news smile.gif

My recommendation drink clean water instead of gimmick water.
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Enagic Malaysia statements is they only sell water filter. Those claims are promoted by their distributors, not them. So basically the company just say it is not my fault, it is the distributors fault for the wrong claims.

Agreed on the clean water rather than gimmick water.
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post Jul 15 2016, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Jul 15 2016, 10:42 AM)
what is the product for clean water? any recommendation on proven and good product?
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For water filter, best to find those which are certified by NSF. You can check it here.
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post Jul 20 2016, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 19 2016, 07:05 PM)
I don't think any of those can remove heavy metal.

RO water may not be good for health but I think they do.
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Just in case you don't believe the claim, you can check it out here.
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post Jul 22 2016, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Ryannate @ Jul 22 2016, 07:28 PM)
The best system, most efficient and cost efficient is RO SYSTEM, but RO system remove all minerals from the water as well, hence to solve it disadvantage, it is to remineralised the water.
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How is it most efficient and cost efficient if every litre of clean water, you're wasting 4 litres of water?

Correct me if I am wrong but generally RO water filter has a 1:4 ratio where every litre of clean water it filters, there will be 4 litres waste water. source

The other thing is power consumption. Since it needs a pump to increase the water pressure so that H2O can pass through the membrane, the power consumption will be higher than other water filters. source

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post Aug 12 2016, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Aug 12 2016, 08:55 PM)
RO is good for everyone, unless you don't eat food (that full of all minerals that you need).

RO is definately the best choice to go, in terms of NSF/whatever rating it should get 100/100.

However i can't find any cost effective model in malaysia yet.

Please share good (and cheap) models to help everyone drinking cleaner and cheaper model.

What i hate about living in malaysia is 3 things: expensive car/road tax, overpriced internet package, and dirty water/ extremely ex water filter systems.
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As I have shared previously, WHO recommend any normal healthy person NOT to drink demineralised water (e.g. RO or distilled water). You can read their study here.

Since you claim that it is the best water, please share any reputable source to back your claim. Please do not simply say 'RO is definately the best choice to go'.

QUOTE(lowya @ Aug 12 2016, 08:58 PM)
how is it wasteful if you collect the water and use it in non-drinking areas? suggest you buy water bottle.

how wasteful is electricity if you only on it for a few minutes to collect water? suggest u dont use aircon.

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Yes, if you do collect the water and use it for something else, it is not wasteful. However The RO water filters I know of directs the waste water directly to the drain. If you are doing so, then good for you.

You need to keep the electricity on 24/7. If you do buy a RO water filter, the salesperson will tell you not to off the water filter. This is because RO water is produced slowly due to the membrane. For example, Coway Water Purifier Value P-07Q produces 7.9l/hr and it has a 6.5l tank. source

Meaning every minute you will have 132ml of water. If that is fast enough for you, then good. For me, it is just too slow. smile.gif

Oh, I do prefer not to use aircond when possible. icon_idea.gif


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post Aug 13 2016, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Aug 13 2016, 07:18 PM)
RO is just pure water molecules, nothing else. Correct me if i am wrong.

Tell me how is that harmful if you eat a balance diet and drinks RO water? provide source if you disagree.

Anyway on second thoughts, i rather not go into that endless debate.
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I already gave you the source, which is the study done by WHO. Have you read it? hmm.gif
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post Aug 13 2016, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Aug 13 2016, 09:30 PM)
too long never read.

so what setup are u using?

i like to read things people buy, especially those who really into research on product specs and pricing.
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I am using Amway eSpring for many years. I did do my research and learn about the other water filters in the market, which is why I choose it. I can share what I know to you personally but in this thread there are already a lot of reviews and comments on eSpring, and all the other water filters. But this is just my personal choice.

Go through this thread and I believe it will help you choose a water filter that's best for you. smile.gif
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post Aug 16 2016, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 16 2016, 09:54 AM)
There are no perfect system but eSpring is IMO one of the better ones around and which I am also using. Reasons being:
1. It has proper NSF certification.
2. The replacement parts are easy to find.
3. No need to boil water.

For me, the No 1 problem of eSpring would be it's inability to filter off heavy metal like Aluminium etc which RO should be able to.
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QUOTE(lowya @ Aug 16 2016, 10:09 AM)
choose heavy metal & pesticides vs essential minerals (get from food).

you got the answer, it's an easy choice.
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If you are really concern about heavy metal, I suggest installing an external water filter that can filter heavy metal.

As for pesticides, eSpring can filter it since it is NSF/ANSI401 certified.

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post Aug 16 2016, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Aug 16 2016, 11:44 AM)
I doubt that can remove dissolved heavy metal.
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In the brochure it states that one of the media filter, specifically ZEOLITE is used to remove suspended solids, soluble heavy metals and soluble ammonium.

But I am not sure how efficient it is.
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post Sep 25 2016, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Sep 25 2016, 08:55 PM)
Does Amway also carry outdoor water filter? Not that I know of...
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Amway doesn't manufacture its own outdoor / external water filter. But they sell Pentair External Water Filter.
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post Mar 31 2017, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(TheLegend27 @ Mar 31 2017, 10:26 AM)
ken gen good?
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Health Ministry to take action against sale, promotion of Kangen water

WHO report about alkaline water

QUOTE(TheLegend27 @ Mar 31 2017, 10:44 AM)
what is the current selling price for amway espring?
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Retail price: RM4505
Member price: RM3604
*both prices included GST
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post Apr 3 2017, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(NightShadow @ Mar 31 2017, 07:44 PM)
yikes. what are middle classers like us supposed to get? phillips? 3M? these are two that I've seen floating around.
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There is an option where you can pay 12 months installment. So RM300 per month.

As mentioned above, the maintenance is only RM583 per year or after drinking 5000 litres (RM0.12 per litre). Replacement cartridge is RM583.
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post Apr 28 2017, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(qiuweng @ Apr 28 2017, 09:46 AM)
Things to compare when you shop for a water filter

1) technology it uses for filtration -> what contaminats it can remove?
2) methods to kill off bacteria & viruses
3) does the water still contain beneficial minerals
4) company background
5) maintenance
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+ 3rd party certification: NSF, WQA
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post May 2 2017, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(cboys00 @ May 2 2017, 08:16 AM)
alkaline water good for health???

espring is product normal water, right??? mean not RO or alkaline!
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WHO report about alkaline water

eSpring just cleans / purifies the water. Basically it means taking out contaminants which are bad for our health but retaining the good minerals in the water.
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post May 2 2017, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(cboys00 @ May 2 2017, 10:02 AM)


mean that coway model Neo,...cuckoo which product alkaline water uable to remove contaminants that are harmful n kills bacteria and viruses ???

sori...i am not expert....still in learning about water filter.....
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For alkaline water filter, they are not focused on filtering the contaminants, but focusing on 'alkaline is good for health'. All alkaline water filters will have a carbon filter to filter the contaminants, however it is a very inefficient carbon filter. Hence it is very bad at removing contaminants, bacteria and viruses.

QUOTE(cboys00 @ May 2 2017, 10:34 AM)
any brand is product natural water, not RO, alkaline, energy water???
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3M, eSpring or other cheap, not certified water filter.
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post May 3 2017, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(cboys00 @ May 3 2017, 12:14 PM)
what kind of espring product??? nature water, or mineral water

what is difference between natura, mineral, RO, akaline, anything else???

which is best for us???  is nature water??  which  brand is product nature water ??? only espring, 3M?????
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Natural = based on your water source
Mineral = water with minerals
RO = only H2O, no minerals
Alkaline = pH > 7

Recommend to drink water which is free of contaminants while retaining the natural minerals in the water.

QUOTE(cboys00 @ May 3 2017, 12:35 PM)
another question is espring...

http://www.amway.com/at-home/eSpring/technology

compare to others brand....espring technology only have ULTRAVIOLET TECHNOLOGY and  CARBON FILTER TECHNOLOGY

ULTRAVIOLET TECHNOLOGY ---The eSpringĀ® Water Purifier is unique when compared to other in-home purifiers because it contains an all-in-one cartridge with an ultraviolet (UV) lamp inside a carbon-block filter* to treat water without chemicals. The UV bulb exposes water to powerful UV doses up 80 millijoules (units of measure) per square centimeter. The Water Purifier also reduces more than 140 potential health-effect contaminants that may be present in drinking water with its multistage, pressed carbon-block filter.

CARBON FILTER TECHNOLOGY --The eSpringĀ® System uses a patented, multi-stage carbon block that:
Reduces chlorine taste and odor
Traps particulates to boost water clarity
Effectively reduces over 140 possible health-effect contaminants

**how can it reduces over 140 possible health-effect contaminants only using CARBON FILTER TECHNOLOGY????
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eSpring Carbon Filter Technology uses activated carbon. There are very fine spores on the carbon which will trap contaminants. The activated carbon also reacts towards the contaminants and attracts it onto the carbon. Effectively removes particulates down to 0.2 microns.

As for viruses and bacteria, it is destroyed / deactivated by UV light. Both these technologies and design are patented.

The 140 contaminants are certified to be filtered by 3rd party organisation, NSF.

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