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Jason
post Jul 25 2015, 04:15 AM

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LOL. zheilwane i think you should set a dateline and if he doesn't come back to you, report police.

Anyway, I think there's a clear winner in water filtration... by none other than Xiaomi.

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RM7xx after conversion. First filter change 3~6 months, RM36, 2nd filter change 6~12 months RM43, RO filter 18~24 months RM310, 4th filter 6~12 months RM43 as well.

Worst case scenario running cost, assume 18 months total cost for all filters is RM784..diao just buy a new unit and throw old one out the window.

Best case scenario running cost, assuming 24 months total cost for all filters is
RM626, which is RM313 per year.

Of course, the filter change depends on amount of water filtered. With the app to monitor..you would know in real time!

Amazing. Xiaomi is disrupting water filter now. With their mass manufacturing capability, it brings the overall costs down. And they use best in class materials.

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post Jul 25 2015, 04:19 PM

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Re-mineralization cartridges don't work. Only raises the pH of water but not "minerals".

As for the RO water not having any minerals, it is absolutely true. But at the same time the water is pure H2O. It doesn't have any contaminants either. No chlorine, no fluoride.

If you don't brush your teeth and rely on the fluoride in the water to protect them then RO is very bad. Likewise if you don't have a balanced diet and get minerals from food, RO water is very bad as well.

Frankly it is a matter of choice and your lifestyle.

Food for thought. The military uses RO technology. So personnel posted on duty on submarines, carriers, base camps all consume RO water for extended periods. Like wise for off shore oil rigs.

This link is a good read as it outlines the facts and allow you to make your own decision
http://www.cleanairpurewater.com/home-2/sw...e-osmosis-wate/
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post May 18 2017, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 17 2017, 05:20 PM)
If you are low on budget, there are some value for money filters available in the market yet provide clean and NSF certified water for your family.

For limited outdoor space in your apartment, I suggest you buy Secure back wash filter system. The price is around RM450 and replacement cartridge is around RM40. For outdoor filter, it's unnecessary to be NSF certified.

For indoor kitchen top, the cheapest NSF certified is 3M CTM-01 (replace 3M C-complete cartridge when original cartridge is due for replacement ). Last month a forumer bought it from Tesco @ RM299.
There you go, less than RM1k and you got yourself a clean water to bath and laundry and NSF certified water for drinking.
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Apartment, how to backwash. hmm.

Where to get it for @RM450? I think I'll get the Secure over the Diamond Master Filter, since can DIY backwash and also to change the filter.

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post Mar 18 2018, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(jo707 @ Nov 17 2017, 11:15 PM)
aeiou228 suggested a budget POE water filter below RM600, known as Secure Backwash. I bought one as well, and it works well for me. Maybe you can take a look at it.
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How’s the water pressure after installing it, and how do you like it so far?
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post May 19 2018, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ May 17 2018, 09:35 PM)
Wow, why this thread is dead? After GE everyone's water suddenly improved )))?

I am preparing easy guides on how to choose best water filter (no, it will not just sell Fresca), will post it here as well once ready.

PoE also will be ready soon, there are few changes, but will present it here too (again, just present, not try give a sales pitch).

P.S. signature is still glowing red even though I removed all <color> tags...
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Question. Is it accurate to say that adding a sediment pre-filter to the Waterco Finsbury under sink filter, it is equivalent to your Fresca filter setup?

https://www.waterco.com.au/water-treatment/...ifiers/finsbury

The only reason I would not consider your solution is that I prefer a quick change setup, like Aquaphor.

Are you looking into a version 2 with the convenience feature?

I’m looking for POE and POU for my new home. Goal is to drink straight from the tap.

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post May 21 2018, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ May 20 2018, 01:46 PM)
As promised, here's the guide. I know that most people in this thread are advanced and have a lot of knowledge, so it's not so useful for you, rather it is written for general public. If you have any comments, suggested corrections or some questions, please let me know, I will fix the guide tables accordingly.

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How is virus present in water, when it is chlorinated? I remember reading chlorine is very effective at disinfecting virus and bacteria in water.

And yes I am considering the Aquaphor Crystal Eco as well. From reading this thread your Disruptor stage can be added to it as well?

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post May 22 2018, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ May 21 2018, 02:26 PM)
Chlorine is very effective in pure water. Meaning that if you have say only H20 and chlorine, then it, in theory, will kill 99.99999% bacteria and viruses. However, the more impurities you have in water, less effective is chlorine. Assuming that water is clean at the treatment facility, so it leaves it as chlorinated, bacteria free. It then goes through pipes, tanks etc where it catches impurities and possibly bacteria/viruses that chlorine cannot fully eliminate anymore. In addition, there are now micro organisms that are resistant to chlorine. So USA for example, being paranoid, started using chloramine, which is very nasty thing and I'd actually call it poison (unlike chlorine which is harmless at small doses). Hope other countries will not follow with chloramine (it's actually banned in European Union).

So yes, chlorine helps, but it doesn't offer 100% protection. Every glass of tap water has lots of bacteria, just that not all of them are harmful. If your filter can't filter bacteria/viruses, better boil the water.

UV faces the same problem. UV light can kill all bacteria in water if water is pure. More impurities, less effective is UV light. This is why UV is mainly used as post RO treatment of relatively pure water coming from water tank (where bacteria can grow).
As for Fresca stage in addition to Aquaphor, it can be done, but it's a bit of waste of money and duplicating UF with Disruptor. Any reason why you wouldn't want to do Fresca Disruptor only, or say 3M C-Complete/FF-Cyst (will have them soon) + Disruptor? Or say Quantum Disinfection (also will be available soon). Just a question smile.gif
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I backtracked to one of your older posts in here, regarding RO.

I've decided I'll just bite the bullet and get RO. Still cheaper than eSpring.

Now I'm looking for NSF certified 20" big blue POE filter, seems nobody is selling the Pentek 150233 in Malaysia. As it is for long term use, and everyday under the sun, not sure if non-NSF certified ones are safe, as the sun may cause the material/enclosure to break down and leech into the water, I would not know better.

You know anywhere to get the Pentek? Or do you intend to carry it?
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post May 30 2018, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ May 24 2018, 01:12 PM)
Oh, these membranes... I can't judge the quality, but logic says that quality UF membrane of this size in stainless steel housing should cost at least x3.

But ok, let's assume that this is a miracle cheap product that actually works as advertised and is of same quality as Toray/CSM membranes (impossible, but let's assume for a second). Placing membrane exposed to raw tap water is a very bad idea because of membrane fouling.

These membranes work in crossflow, just like RO membranes. You have permeate (good water) pushed through membrane, and concentrate (bad water) flowing past, carrying away SOME of impurities. (So for every 1L of water you get, you waste few L of water.) But some impurities are still deposited on membrane surface, blocking the pores of the membrane, degrading it performance and significantly increasing the amount of water it is wasting.

But what can you do about it? Some industrial membranes are backwashable (you cannot just backwash any membrane, it must be designed for it). Other membranes are soaked in chemicals (acids or concentrated chlorine), then thoroughly rinsed. But either is not the case for these advertised membranes, so they get fouled and performance degrades rather quickly if you do not have any pre filters and the membrane is exposed to all the dirt in the water. Besides degraded performance, bacteria starts growing inside the membrane. It cannot get through, but this media starts producing gases and these get through membrane with no issue.

To summarize, these membranes are (assuming they work as advertised):
- waste water
- degrade quickly by fouling and waste even more water
- start producing smelly water once bacteria starts growing

Now, reasonable question would be "what about Aquaphor, it has UF inside, right?" Correct, Aquaphor has what is called dead end flow UF membrane, so no wasted water. In theory, It gets fouled quicker than crossflow membranes, however Aquaphor has pre filters down to 0.5 micron prior to membrabe to take care of most impurities. Bacteria still make it to the membrane and start growing inside, producing gases, this is why Aquaphor has a post carbon filter, to remove the smell.

So are those UF PoE bad idea? Yes if they are exposed to raw flow. Can you make them efficient? Yes, by using pre filters and post filters. But even in that case, even you can somehow prevent fouling by using pre filters, you are wasting few L of water for every clean L produced.

Hope this helps.
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Wait, so you're saying those POE outdoor UF membrane filter has a "waste water" like RO? I thought those were just for back flushing purposes.
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post May 30 2018, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(blackie19 @ May 30 2018, 11:32 AM)
Hello, is PoE system a must if we install PoU system?
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No, but your PoU filter will clog very fast, especially PoU for drinking purposes. If its shower PoU probably don't have to bother.

If you do not want to use a PoE filter, you can put a pre-filter before your PoU system.

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post Jun 14 2018, 11:54 AM

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https://www.shopnsave.com.my/collections/ou...ter-sand-filter

Thoughts on something like this as a PoE?

Pentek 1044 vessel. Straightforward media (no rocket science). And the 5 layers of media doesn't remove chlorine, so no funky stuff growing in the water tank.

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post Sep 10 2018, 06:25 AM

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QUOTE(Ch33r @ Aug 21 2018, 03:28 PM)
Can get a good quality sand filter...
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Any recommendation? So far the only “quality” one I can tell is waterco from Australia. Price also very “quality”.
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post Sep 10 2018, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ch33r @ Sep 10 2018, 04:03 PM)
How much the price you get?
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Almost RM2k fair price

QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 10 2018, 04:32 PM)
Sand filter is like an old Pentium4 PC, still working but not as good as the latest tech outdoor filter.
For home POE, best go for 20" pleated polyester. Space saving, washable cartridge, easy diy cartridge replacement, no more blocked faucet/shower (by sand), choose whatever micron you want depending on the water pressure in your area.
You can't have all the above mentioned advantages in sand filter.
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Any recommendation where to get/buy? And don’t explode. Since it’s outdoor in the sun.

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post Apr 21 2019, 11:00 AM

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My setup

UF filter POE for whole house. Intentionally selected PES membrane over PVC. Installer said it will clog easily. Bought a spare membrane and also did bypass installation.

What I love most is my kitchen setup. RO under sink with a clean install. My fridge uses a tank system so just fill it at the sink and viola. My Nespresso machine gives me instant hot water. So I’m covered.



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QUOTE(bbhing98 @ Jul 4 2020, 09:52 AM)
Hi all, I just rented a condo recently. The condo comes with a basic water filter(with catridges like coway). However, the unit was vacant for a few months prior to my moving in, and the water filter was detached from the water supply and stored inside the cupboard.

Can I still reuse the water filter with existing catridges or should I at least replace the filter catridge? My concern is hygiene, is it possible that there's fungal or bacteria growth inside the water filter as the filter media is wet as being used before, and then left to dry out as it's not connected to water supply?
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I will use a new filter media. No need to think so much.

 

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