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post Dec 6 2013, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Jimsee @ Dec 6 2013, 02:10 PM)
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no problem.

after windows installation, you might wanna try out the intel rapid storage (RST) drivers (you can get it from intel website or here: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/966253)

the basic ssd optimizations can be found on the first page of this thread.
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post Dec 6 2013, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Dec 6 2013, 12:21 AM)
Lyn forumer mostly recommend Intel SSD, so you could not go wrong with it.
For cloning OS partition to SSD, you should trim your OS partition(and remove junk) before cloning, like moving the programs to HDD, unless your OS partition is as large as the SSD capacity.
Cloning software i'd recommend you Acronis True Image, http://support.wdc.com/product/downloaddetail.asp?swid=119
It support cloning large capacity HDD to SSD, while other free cloning software could not do it.
And also support partition resizing/editing before cloning.
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Thanks, I don't think I plan on cloning, but I may though, Yeah i've heard of Acronis before...

But my question was which SSD to get between Samsung and Intel... majority chose Intel, but which Intel to get?
And since may said i need to set to ACHI mode before doing anything? But I've already have a Raid0 system...

Help..
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post Dec 6 2013, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(VinceCheong @ Dec 6 2013, 08:03 PM)
Thanks, I don't think I plan on cloning, but I may though, Yeah i've heard of Acronis before...

But my question was which SSD to get between Samsung and Intel... majority chose Intel, but which Intel to get?
And since may said i need to set to ACHI mode before doing anything? But I've already have a Raid0 system...

Help..
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I been using the Intel 520 series for almost 5 months, no issue whatsoever

is pretty reliable and fast but the price is kind of expensive compare to other brand.

you can go for the latest Intel 530 series instead if budget allow.
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post Dec 7 2013, 11:33 PM

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post Dec 8 2013, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(wengjoe @ Dec 6 2013, 09:13 PM)
I been using the Intel 520 series for almost 5 months, no issue whatsoever

is pretty reliable and fast but the price is kind of expensive compare to other brand.

you can go for the latest Intel 530 series instead if budget allow.
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Btw, where can I find any Intel SSD products man? >.<.
I just went to almost the whole of Low Yat Plaza, but none of them have the Intel 520/530/535 idk? some of them even said that it's kinda obsolete or something to that tone... I guess I'm stuck with the Samsung 840 EVO 250GB? or? :/
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post Dec 8 2013, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(VinceCheong @ Dec 8 2013, 02:12 AM)
Btw, where can I find any Intel SSD products man? >.<.
I just went to almost the whole of Low Yat Plaza, but none of them have the Intel 520/530/535 idk? some of them even said that it's kinda obsolete or something to that tone... I guess I'm stuck with the Samsung 840 EVO 250GB? or? :/
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If i were you i would buy the EVO, instead go back empty handed sweat.gif
Other choice would be Plextor, Sandisk and Kingston SSD.
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post Dec 10 2013, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 5 2013, 12:39 AM)
you're correct. all those background activities surely contribute to the reduction of ssd's lifespan. however, let's say for a 128gb ssd, a user uses 50gb with 3x write amplification? (imo 50gb might be too large for common usage, including the part that caters for all those background activities; this is just to give a clearer picture) the estimated lifespan is still 7years. by that time i think that drive has long been replaced with much better ones.

there are useful optimizations that we do to help reduce writes further, while not sacrificing performance, such as temp folder redirection to ramdisk (not hdd). over-provisioning also helps.

it's all about how you set your system up to help extend the life of a ssd.
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I don't know how the empty blocks are written in SSDs. Whether they are taking turns for each block (somewhat intelligent method) or the OS just write to whichever first block that is available. So in theory based on the second method (which is used by most HDD) a certain cell could be overwritten more than another. So much so that this block will fail first. Means once that block failes, the whole SSD is useless already.

Anyway, in theory....manufacturers will bloat up their product lifespan. I think modern SSDs should have no problem lasting 3 years. However, beyond that you will be going into a territory where you are sure the hdd will fail soon. Compared to magnetic HDD, the failure rate after 3 years is not as "a sure thing" as SSDs.
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post Dec 10 2013, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Dec 10 2013, 01:23 PM)
I don't know how the empty blocks are written in SSDs. Whether they are taking turns for each block (somewhat intelligent method) or the OS just write to whichever first block that is available. So in theory based on the second method (which is used by most HDD) a certain cell could be overwritten more than another. So much so that this block will fail first. Means once that block failes, the whole SSD is useless already.

Anyway, in theory....manufacturers will bloat up their product lifespan. I think modern SSDs should have no problem lasting 3 years. However, beyond that you will be going into a territory where you are sure the hdd will fail soon. Compared to magnetic HDD, the failure rate after 3 years is not as "a sure thing" as SSDs.
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er.. no it's not like mechanical drives. the way ssd's are written is like flash drives. (so its theory is somewhat different than what you have described). that's why we have to take into accounts write amplification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_amplification). it's said that modern consumer ssd's have the WA value of 1 to 2 (non-sandforce based; sandforce-based ssd's are less than 1). in the previous estimation i used 3.

right.. well, they're electronics, surely with respective, limited, lifespans. it mainly depends on your usage. if you're talking about durability/endurance, maybe it's too early to determine this in ssd's based on real life usage. my ocz vertex 4 is 1++ years old and its health status still at 100% with crystal diskinfo (reformatted numerous times).

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In short, SSD tends to have much lighter weight, better shock resistance and smaller size.
In exchange is the cost of manufacturing it.
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post Dec 10 2013, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(hmwgbworld @ Dec 10 2013, 07:20 PM)
In short, SSD tends to have much lighter weight, better shock resistance and smaller size.
In exchange is the cost of manufacturing it.
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yeah those are some of the apparent advantages of a ssd over hdd. imo just take advantage of their strengths: ssd for OS and apps/games (more reads); hdd for storage (more writes).

another thing that i believe is useful for a computer, if you have abundant amount of ram's (like 16gb or more), is to use ram disk. this one helps a lot.

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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 10 2013, 11:08 PM)
yeah those are some of the apparent advantages of a ssd over hdd. imo just take advantage of their strengths: ssd for OS and apps/games (more reads); hdd for storage (more writes).

another thing that i believe is useful for a computer, if you have abundant amount of ram's (like 16gb or more), is to use ram disk. this one helps a lot.
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What's a Ram disk?
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post Dec 11 2013, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(VinceCheong @ Dec 11 2013, 01:12 AM)
What's a Ram disk?
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a ramdisk is a virtual disk that makes up of part of the system memory.

due to its natures (super durable and fast; ~ 7 times faster than ssd-based raid0), it's a better option instead of hdd to house most folders with high read/writes. for a start, you can point everything temporary for each desktop session into this disk (user temp folders; caching directories of web browsers; download folders, etc.).

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owners of samsung 840 pro, now we can also run in RAPID mode! download magician 4.3 from here: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem.../downloads.html




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post Dec 12 2013, 10:29 PM

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http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-news/lat...id-speeds-1gbs/
Samsung 840 EVO available in mSATA form factor, in 250GB, 500GB, 1TB capacity.

http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-news/lat...-free-download/
RAPID mode available to Samsung 840 Pro now.

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Intel ssd will be back on the 3rd Jan.. get it before CNY.. thumbup.gif
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Guy...what about Toshiba Q-Series Pro? Got any retailer in MY selling it?
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Intel 530 series 120GB for RM359 only... very tempting. Initial target is Samsung 840 Evo 120GB which is around the same price hmm.gif
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Hi, guys here, after you when to SSD of any realiable brand and still needs that highend model of SSD to instead of entry level SSD?

From what I knew is :
Sata 2 read/write speed 200/350

SATA 3 read/write speed 350/450
Or 6GB : 500/550?

Which one you prefer or died died must buy faster speed?

For me really don't think is speed very improtant. The most improtant on realiable with over 200/250 read/write speed I had appreciate already with that speed easily winner to HDD..

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Dec 16 2013, 08:09 AM)
Hi, guys here, after you when to SSD of any realiable brand and still needs that highend model of SSD to instead of entry level SSD?

From what I knew is :
Sata 2 read/write speed 200/350

SATA 3 read/write speed 350/450
Or 6GB : 500/550?

Which one you prefer or died died must buy faster speed?

For me really don't think is speed very improtant. The most improtant on realiable with over 200/250 read/write speed I had appreciate already with that speed easily winner to HDD..
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if i understand you correctly, in terms of consumer grade ssd's: if you're looking for reliability mainly and don't care about speed (you're happy with the sata2 speed), then most ssd's today can offer that. maybe you can choose one that has mlc nand chips with enterprise grade controller (like corsair neutron gtx, notably the older version with 25nm nand).

whether to get an entry level or high-end one, it's up to your usage requirements. to most users, they're the same except for several things that some care while some don't.

sata3 ssd's are common now. sata3 is 2x sata2 in terms of speed. if your computer supports sata3, then why not? again, whether you must 'die die' get sata3 ssd's or not is still up to you.

now, if you are really serious about reliability, you can go for enterprise ssd's, not normal consumer grade.

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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 16 2013, 09:20 AM)
if i understand you correctly, in terms of consumer grade ssd's: if you're looking for reliability mainly and don't care about speed (you're happy with the sata2 speed), then most ssd's today can offer that. maybe you can choose one that has mlc nand chips with enterprise grade controller (like corsair neutron gtx, notably the older version with 25nm nand).

whether to get an entry level or high-end one, it's up to your usage requirements. to most users, they're the same except for several things that some care while some don't.

sata3 ssd's are common now. sata3 is 2x sata2 in terms of speed. if your computer supports sata3, then why not? again, whether you must 'die die' get sata3 ssd's or not is still up to you.

now, if you are really serious about reliability, you can go for enterprise ssd's, not normal consumer grade.
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Thanks your explanation here.
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post Dec 16 2013, 10:43 PM

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Anyone know why Kingmax 120gb SATA 3 speed so crap compare to my crucial m4?

Kingmax left, Crucial right.

I swap crucial and Kingmax cabling , kingmax still crap..

This post has been edited by optiplex: Dec 16 2013, 10:44 PM

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