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post Feb 28 2013, 11:01 PM, updated 13y ago

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Fundsupermart.com (FSM) Malaysia is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Capital Sdn Bhd ("iFAST Capital"). iFAST Capital is a subsidiary of iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd. iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd is an investment holding company and is a joint venture between Malaysia's OSK Investment Bank Berhad and iFAST Corporation Pte Ltd ("iFAST Corp").

iFAST Capital is a holder of a Capital Markets Services Licence (CMSL) and is licensed by the Securities Commission to conduct the following regulated activities:

- To deal in unit trusts
- To offer investment advisory services

iFAST Capital is also registered with the Federation of Investment Managers Malaysia (FiMM) as an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser (IUTA).



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1. Wide range of information
2. Extensive product range and value-added services
3. One of the cheapest Sales Charges in town! thumbup.gif


To keep discussions at this thread fruitful and constructive, it would be greatly appreciated that fellow investors try to look for answer to their queries at Frequently Asked Questions before posting here. icon_rolleyes.gif

Other FAQs on Fundsupermart.com and unit trusts in general

1. NAV pricing and processing time
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2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions:

(i) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(ii) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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(iii) Topping up my holdings after dividend distribution pulls down my cost per unit, lower cost = higher profit.
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(iv) Distribution = Income
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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4. Annual Management Charge, Trustee Fee and NAV pricing
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Link to v1

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I am not a UT agent, nor am I employed by FSM. All my comments here are posted in good faith and with the intention to share knowledge. I am not to be held liable for any losses that may be incurred as a result of following any advice/opinion shared here. I believe the same should be applicable for any other LYN members posting here.
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haha... yea, way to go FSM!!
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haha... yea, way to go FSM!!
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New thread, bookmarked to track from post 1.
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Awesome, nice thread! I'm slower than Pink Spider to be the TS!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 1 2013, 07:52 AM)
Awesome, nice thread! I'm slower than Pink Spider to be the TS!
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Dave, u already taken PM TS, it would be conflict of interests if u take FSM TS too laugh.gif

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Dave, u already taken PM TS, it would be conflict of interests if u take FSM TS too laugh.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 1 2013, 08:06 AM)
Yesterday LYN has some problem. It frustrated me to stay online.
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Yeah, u dunno how many times I had to refresh and refresh and refresh shakehead.gif
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Decided and went into CIMB Principle APAC Dynamic Income Fund!
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 08:34 AM)
Decided and went into CIMB Principle APAC Dynamic Income Fund!
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I have forgotten about it again!

My next consideration is PGSF.
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Bought my 1st share this week, and did my summary of investments as at 28-Feb last nite...IRR for my share investment, 1400%! laugh.gif

Today is the last day to use the FSM 0.88% angpow, who has utilised it? Uncle aronteh?

Interim Financial Statements (31-Dec-2012) for Hwang AQ is out:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...ortsMYHWAQF.pdf

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 1 2013, 10:32 AM)
Bought my 1st share this week, and did my summary of investments as at 28-Feb last nite...IRR for my share investment, 1400%! laugh.gif

Today is the last day to use the FSM 0.88% angpow, who has utilised it? Uncle aronteh?

Interim Financial Statements (31-Dec-2012) for Hwang AQ is out:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...ortsMYHWAQF.pdf
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I use it yesterday... hahaha
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 10:34 AM)
I use it yesterday... hahaha
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u weren't there for the Lou Sang dinner...how u got 0.88% angpow? U mean 1% SC promo izit? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 1 2013, 11:36 AM)
u weren't there for the Lou Sang dinner...how u got 0.88% angpow? U mean 1% SC promo izit? rclxub.gif
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I was there, just low profile.. hehe

during cny till last week was quite busy, so didnt reply or use LYN...
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 10:42 AM)
I was there, just low profile.. hehe

during cny till last week was quite busy, so didnt reply or use LYN...
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U sitting at which table? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 1 2013, 11:43 AM)
U sitting at which table? hmm.gif
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Hwang table...


FSM will be bring in Hwang Aiiman Select Income soon... do you guys thing it can match the award winning select income?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 10:46 AM)
Hwang table...
FSM will be bring in Hwang Aiiman Select Income soon... do you guys thing it can match the award winning select income?
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I was facing that table whole nite, that table all men.

Got a handsome quite fair-looking guy who was there early, back against the wall, he's HwangIM people? unsure.gif

Actually I think we can quite easily replicate the performance of Select Income ourselves, just maintain a conservative portfolio of 70/30 yourself, on the equity portion overweighting dividend-focused funds.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 1 2013, 11:49 AM)
I was facing that table whole nite, that table all men.

Got a handsome quite fair-looking guy who was there early, back against the wall, he's HwangIM people? unsure.gif

Actually I think we can quite easily replicate the performance of Select Income ourselves, just maintain a conservative portfolio of 70/30 yourself, on the equity portion overweighting dividend-focused funds.
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Ya.. table all men. FSM GM was that table as well, he was quite talkative surprisingly and friendly. He mentioned, near future they will have promotions for China funds, so those who want to go into China, can use this opportunity. But dont know when will the promotion comes la.

The Lipper promotion he also mentioned during the dinner. He said then the Lipper results is out, they will have promotion. That is true enough, but the duration of promotion too short la..

No, that handsome guy not from Hwang, but the guy sitting next to him was from Hwang.

I know your table got a kid from AMB. Maybe I saw u, but I dont know which is you.


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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 10:57 AM)
Ya.. table all men. FSM GM was that table as well, he was quite talkative surprisingly and friendly. He mentioned, near future they will have promotions for China funds, so those who want to go into China, can use this opportunity. But dont know when will the promotion comes la.

The Lipper promotion he also mentioned during the dinner. He said then the Lipper results is out, they will have promotion. That is true enough, but the duration of promotion too short la..

No, that handsome guy not from Hwang, but the guy sitting next to him was from Hwang.

I know your table got a kid from AMB. Maybe I saw u, but I dont know which is you.
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Next to the little kid lo blush.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 1 2013, 12:04 PM)
Next to the little kid lo blush.gif
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Oh no!!! I cant remember your who is sitting next to the kid.. damx!! Maybe I too concentrate on eating and seeing leng luis... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 10:46 AM)
Hwang table...
FSM will be bring in Hwang Aiiman Select Income soon... do you guys thing it can match the award winning select income?
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new fund?
only can see Hwang Select Income from Morningstar but not the Aiiman series.
thanks.
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QUOTE(bios @ Mar 1 2013, 12:15 PM)
new fund?
only can see Hwang Select Income from Morningstar but not the Aiiman series.
thanks.
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Ya, new fund. I think will launch this month..
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3201

Wow... Just bought yesterday, today is CIS choice fund. I need to buy toto la today!
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Select Income thrives on dividend stocks. Most dividend play stocks are non-halal (think conventional banks, tobacco firms, breweries, gaming stocks), how they gonna get the dividend equities for the Aiiman equivalent? hmm.gif

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i wish they can bring some funds from Templeton fund house. I think so far they have launched 2 bond funds.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 11:21 AM)
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3201

Wow... Just bought yesterday, today is CIS choice fund. I need to buy toto la today!
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Who needs Hwang Select Income Fund when u have this fund? Just combo 30% CIMB APDIF and 70% Hwang Select Bond Fund, and you'll have your own DIY Select Income Fund thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 11:16 AM)
Ya, new fund. I think will launch this month..
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thanks..
just top up the apdf too...
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Damn ... missed CIMB APDIF!
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wow v2! go FSM!
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 1 2013, 01:22 PM)
Damn ... missed CIMB APDIF!
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"Missed" in what sense?

Fund Name | 1 MONTH Rank
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund 1
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund 2
OSK-UOB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund 3
Kenanga Growth Fund 4
AmAsia Pacific REITs 5

Investors are warming up to FSM's recommendation to go overweight Asia Ex-Japan, those days it's Kenanga Growth Fund at No. 1 all the time biggrin.gif

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Hi all, here's the worksheet shared by Pink Spider. I've attached it as winzip on behalf.
Enjoy and thanks Pink! rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(mlyuki @ Mar 1 2013, 02:24 PM)
Hi all, here's the worksheet shared by Pink Spider. I've attached it as winzip on behalf.
Enjoy and thanks Pink!   rclxms.gif
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Thanks! Hope no one will bombard my inbox anymore sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 1 2013, 02:35 PM)
"Missed" in what sense?

Fund Name | 1 MONTH Rank
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund  1
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund  2
OSK-UOB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund  3
Kenanga Growth Fund  4
AmAsia Pacific REITs  5

Investors are warming up to FSM's recommendation to go overweight Asia Ex-Japan, those days it's Kenanga Growth Fund at No. 1 all the time biggrin.gif
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Yesterday I top up and buy in 3 out of the 5 funds above;

HAQ
CIMB APAC DyNAMIC INCOME
AmAPAC REITs
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anyone got the new platinum status ?

Current Holdings/Investment Cost/Lump Sum Investment | Status | Further Discount On Normal Sales Charge
Below RM50,000 | FSM Investors | Normal Sales Charge
RM50,000 to <RM150,000 | Silver Status | 0.25% discount on Normal Sales Charge*
RM150,000 to <RM750,000 | Gold Status | 0.50% discount on Normal Sales Charge*
RM750,000 and above | Platinum Status | 0.75% discount on Normal Sales Charge*
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QUOTE(millenniummonkey @ Mar 1 2013, 04:30 PM)
anyone got the new platinum status ?

Current Holdings/Investment Cost/Lump Sum Investment | Status | Further Discount On Normal Sales Charge
Below RM50,000 | FSM Investors | Normal Sales Charge
RM50,000 to <RM150,000 | Silver Status | 0.25% discount on Normal Sales Charge*
RM150,000 to <RM750,000 | Gold Status | 0.50% discount on Normal Sales Charge*
RM750,000 and above | Platinum Status | 0.75% discount on Normal Sales Charge*
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That platinum status ar.. I think lou sang with 12 amois in 1 table.

I silver pun havent reach
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 1 2013, 06:49 PM)
That platinum status ar.. I think lou sang with 12 amois in 1 table.

I silver pun havent reach
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Use EPF or FD money put into CMF, then can easier get Silver status already
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finally my account was approved rclxms.gif

guys,


do the amount I need to pay to buy UT is:

unit x price per unit + 1% sales charge
e.g:
2000 unit x 0.26 + 1% = RM525.20 <<<< this correct?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 1 2013, 01:35 PM)
"Missed" in what sense?

Fund Name | 1 MONTH Rank
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund  1
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund  2
OSK-UOB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund  3
Kenanga Growth Fund  4
AmAsia Pacific REITs  5

Investors are warming up to FSM's recommendation to go overweight Asia Ex-Japan, those days it's Kenanga Growth Fund at No. 1 all the time biggrin.gif
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Hey, apdif still hot selling till now...thinking of selling instead... tongue.gif Purchased during initial launching.
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QUOTE(Nine9 @ Mar 1 2013, 07:41 PM)
finally my account was approved  rclxms.gif

guys,
do the amount I need to pay to buy UT is:

unit x price per unit + 1% sales charge
e.g:
2000 unit x 0.26 + 1% = RM525.20    <<<< this correct?
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Depends on your preference...

(a) pay a round sum
e.g. PAY RM100, hence RM100 / 1.01 / RM0.26 = 380.81 units bought

(b) invest a round sum
e.g. BUY RM100 WORTH, hence RM100 x 1.01 = RM101 to buy RM100 / RM0.26 = 384.62 units

For me I personally prefer (b), though sometimes I do (a) as well. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ctrl_alt_del @ Mar 1 2013, 08:17 PM)
Hey, apdif still hot selling till now...thinking of selling instead... tongue.gif Purchased during initial launching.
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What is your ROI and XIRR?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 1 2013, 08:21 PM)
Depends on your preference...

(a) pay a round sum
e.g. PAY RM100, hence RM100 / 1.01 / RM0.26 = 380.81 units bought

(b) invest a round sum
e.g. BUY RM100 WORTH, hence RM100 x 1.01 = RM101 to buy RM100 / RM0.26 = 384.62 units

For me I personally prefer (b), though sometimes I do (a) as well. tongue.gif
thank bro for the explanation icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 1 2013, 09:16 PM)
What is your ROI and XIRR?
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ROI 28.5% (bought at cimb branch from my RM so initial svc charge a bit expensive yeah, didn't average up / down much after that)
Still going strong I believe, its just that I would prefer to concentrate on local banking only.
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QUOTE(ctrl_alt_del @ Mar 1 2013, 10:27 PM)
ROI 28.5% (bought at cimb branch from my RM so initial svc charge a bit expensive yeah, didn't average up / down much after that)
Still going strong I believe, its just that I would prefer to concentrate on local banking only.
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U invest in UT through bank all? Nothing by FSM?
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 1 2013, 11:58 PM)
U invest in UT through bank all? Nothing by FSM?
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FSM only GEM bond. Not planning to buy any equity funds - would prefer to buy stock instead, not blaming the performance, but just consider a few limitations that fund managers might face when handling huge fund. So I'm getting rid of equity funds that i bought previously.

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QUOTE(ctrl_alt_del @ Mar 2 2013, 12:06 AM)
FSM only GEM bond. Not planning to buy any equity funds - would prefer to buy stock instead, not blaming the performance, but just consider a few limitations that fund managers might face when handling huge fund. So I'm getting rid of equity funds that i bought previously.
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Can share why u feel so?

Local equities we can buy ourselves easily, but how about foreign equities? It's quite difficult for retail investors to have a well-diversified portfolio of global equities.
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Sien.. FSM website under maintenance.
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 2 2013, 03:31 PM)
Sien.. FSM website under maintenance.
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It's Saturday, go get a life! laugh.gif

P.S. I'm watching old movies on Youtube blush.gif
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It's Saturday, go get a life! laugh.gif

P.S. I'm watching old movies on Youtube blush.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 2 2013, 12:45 AM)
Can share why u feel so?

Local equities we can buy ourselves easily, but how about foreign equities? It's quite difficult for retail investors to have a well-diversified portfolio of global equities.
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One example would be during downturn, when when too many ppl cash out equities UT, fund manager would have no choice but to sell fundamentally good stock to keep the cash sufficient, which might not be what we want as an investor.
My long term counter (PBBANK) cagr was ~ 24% the last time I keep track, 2001 - 2010 ( no longer keep track these days...just buy & keep whenever extra fund avail). Also holding small portion of MAYBANK, CAGR exceed 20% the last time I checked.


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QUOTE(ctrl_alt_del @ Mar 2 2013, 05:21 PM)
One example would be during downturn, when when too many ppl cash out equities UT, fund manager would have no choice but to sell fundamentally good stock to keep the cash sufficient, which might not be what we want as an investor.
My long term counter (PBBANK) cagr was ~ 24% the last time I keep track, 2001 - 2010 ( no longer keep track these days...just buy & keep whenever extra fund avail). Also holding small portion of MAYBANK, CAGR exceed 20% the last time I checked.
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Buy and hold all the way?

Seems like what my big boss taught me is true, just buy stocks of quality companies with decent dividend yield, buy and hold even when the price drops so long as its fundamentals and business prospects are intact. hmm.gif

But still, retail investors like most of us only have access to KLSE stocks, hard to gain exposure to overseas stocks like US and HK stocks. And bear in mind, Malaysian stocks have been fairly resilient in recent times, but how long can it continue to be so?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 2 2013, 05:55 PM)
Buy and hold all the way?

Seems like what my big boss taught me is true, just buy stocks of quality companies with decent dividend yield, buy and hold even when the price drops so long as its fundamentals and business prospects are intact. hmm.gif

But still, retail investors like most of us only have access to KLSE stocks, hard to gain exposure to overseas stocks like US and HK stocks. And bear in mind, Malaysian stocks have been fairly resilient in recent times, but how long can it continue to be so?
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bro, u still haven't answered my question doh.gif

So, u are comfortable having your equity investments only in Malaysian stocks?
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PBBANK is a good counter but in term of growth, personally I think that they have limited potential as compared to MBB, CIMB or even HLB.

PBBANK is a good defensive and dividend based counter and its price is mainly supported by PM as PM funds local counter will sure have PBBANK in as one of the pick.
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bro, u still haven't answered my question doh.gif

So, u are comfortable having your equity investments only in Malaysian stocks?
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Answer is yes, banks in malaysia are too big to fail. Ppl would lose jobs first before banks fail.
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I guess it's my accountancy education background, I'm just not comfortable to be too focused in one or two areas of investment. I guess that's why I won't make it big yet won't go bust laugh.gif
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Buy and hold all the way?

Seems like what my big boss taught me is true, just buy stocks of quality companies with decent dividend yield, buy and hold even when the price drops so long as its fundamentals and business prospects are intact. hmm.gif

But still, retail investors like most of us only have access to KLSE stocks, hard to gain exposure to overseas stocks like US and HK stocks. And bear in mind, Malaysian stocks have been fairly resilient in recent times, but how long can it continue to be so?
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Quality company in decent dividend yield...can be define such as...
Finance/banking: Maybank/ Public bank
Oil & Gas: Petronas, Petrol chem
Telco: Digi, Telekom and Maxis
Consumer: Nestle & Dutch Lady
Alchohol: GAB & Clasberg
Tobacco: BAT
Utility: TNB
Gambilng: Genting & B.toto..

What else ? Need some advise as in cash rich position to buy in some good in when GE discount..
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haha.. back online!
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Quality company in decent dividend yield...can be define such as...
Finance/banking: Maybank/ Public bank
Oil & Gas: Petronas, Petrol chem
Telco: Digi, Telekom and Maxis
Consumer: Nestle & Dutch Lady
Alchohol: GAB & Clasberg
Tobacco: BAT
Utility: TNB
Gambilng: Genting & B.toto..

What else ? Need some advise as in cash rich position to buy in some good in when GE discount..
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Share with u guys what I bought this week...

Hup Seng (maker of Ping Pong cream crackers) yielding 7%+
APM (maker of car suspension parts) yielding 4%+ with some growth prospects, on fire sale this week

Both are rather "mid-tier" stocks that many would overlook. Next I'm going for some big names like Dutch Lady, BAT and GAB/Carlsberg, but not at current valuations. Aiming for a 5-counter stock portfolio to start with, and gonna monitor from there see my UT portfolio perform better or my mini stock portfolio perform better over a 3-year timeframe. For the time being it's gonna be 25% stocks 75% UT.
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Share with u guys what I bought this week...

Hup Seng (maker of Ping Pong cream crackers) yielding 7%+
APM (maker of car suspension parts) yielding 4%+ with some growth prospects, on fire sale this week

Both are rather "mid-tier" stocks that many would overlook. Next I'm going for some big names like Dutch Lady, BAT and GAB/Carlsberg, but not at current valuations. Aiming for a 5-counter stock portfolio to start with, and gonna monitor from there see my UT portfolio perform better or my mini stock portfolio perform better over a 3-year timeframe. For the time being it's gonna be 25% stocks 75% UT.
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Nice nice..I saw current Kenanga growth, Eastpring Income, AMB Dividen trust, OSK Kid save, Hwang balance..those UT holding Banking (Maybank/HLG/PBB), Reit (Axis/IGB)/KLCCP + Maxis/Digi/Telekom + TNB...going to build up portfolio in this way...see it work or not hahaha


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Kaka, lepak ja kat sukuk kalau shaking.

Peace of mind.
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Kaka, lepak ja kat sukuk kalau shaking.

Peace of mind.
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U cant get everything at once.

Its an opportunity cost.

U have to choose. Lost a little or live in shaky life.

For me, i dont mind the SC. as long as peace of mind come along.

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Ya.. maybe lepak at Money Market also. But the switching cost will eat my profits due to my investment is still ikan bilis.
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Kaka u heavily exposed to Malaysian equities? For me, it's only 12% of the equity portion of my portfolio, so it's effectively 12% x 31% = 3.72% of my entire portfolio, so I won't bother to switch out laugh.gif
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Kaka u heavily exposed to Malaysian equities? For me, it's only 12% of the equity portion of my portfolio, so it's effectively 12% x 31% = 3.72% of my entire portfolio, so I won't bother to switch out laugh.gif
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Rest on MY and Asia ex-Japan - around 20+%. So I would say MY portion will be ~15%
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Untung la bole main kat foreign.
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Untung la bole main kat foreign.
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Hang Seng and Shanghai in deep red today, but hold your ammo, cos the fall is mainly in property-related stocks, which I believe Hwang AQ has limited exposure in.
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Hang Seng and Shanghai in deep red today, but hold your ammo, cos the fall is mainly in property-related stocks, which I believe Hwang AQ has limited exposure in.
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hopefully bro... if not I enter wrong time due to Fsm promotion thingy
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hopefully bro... if not I enter wrong time due to Fsm promotion thingy
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Kaka, when u sell your AmDynamic Bond, how they calculate the 1% redemption fee?

E.g. u sell 1,000 units, current NAV = RM1.00, gross proceed = RM1.00 x 1,000 units = RM1,000

Then u get RM1,000 / 1.01 = RM990.10

Correct?

Just redeemed some units to pay my dad's car overhaul bill cry.gif
Chose to redeem AmDynamic Bond rather than AmIncome Plus or even CMF, keeping those as my ammo for dividend stocks, also because my portfolio is too AmDynamic-heavy at 39% of overall.

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Kaka, when u sell your AmDynamic Bond, how they calculate the 1% redemption fee?

E.g. u sell 1,000 units, current NAV = RM1.00, gross proceed = RM1.00 x 1,000 units = RM1,000

Then u get RM1,000 / 1.01 = RM990.10

Correct?

Just redeemed some units to pay my dad's car overhaul bill cry.gif
Chose to redeem AmDynamic Bond rather than AmIncome Plus or even CMF, keeping those as my ammo for dividend stocks, also because my portfolio is too AmDynamic-heavy at 39% of overall.
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Kaka, when u sell your AmDynamic Bond, how they calculate the 1% redemption fee?

E.g. u sell 1,000 units, current NAV = RM1.00, gross proceed = RM1.00 x 1,000 units = RM1,000

Then u get RM1,000 / 1.01 = RM990.10

Correct?

Just redeemed some units to pay my dad's car overhaul bill cry.gif
Chose to redeem AmDynamic Bond rather than AmIncome Plus or even CMF, keeping those as my ammo for dividend stocks, also because my portfolio is too AmDynamic-heavy at 39% of overall.
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overhaul!!! seems long time no maintenance or service yea?
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overhaul!!! seems long time no maintenance or service yea?
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your dad got young blood!
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Overhaul bill RM4K++. Ask him to sell it off vmad.gif when I heard it, then he replied me,

"if sell it off and change a new car YOU had to pay car loan instalment every month..." blush.gif

Overhaul lo, apa boleh buat cry.gif
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Overhaul bill RM4K++. Ask him to sell it off vmad.gif when I heard it, then he replied me,

"if sell it off and change a new car YOU had to pay car loan instalment every month..." blush.gif

Overhaul lo, apa boleh buat cry.gif
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ya.. just maintain and service regularly la. If using in town is good enough...
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Kaka, that day u were sitting with the HwangIM representative, u got his contact?

HwangIM website since the makeover is displaying prior day NAV...i.e. when I click to view fund prices, the date displayed is 01-Mar-2013 but those NAV prices shown are actually 28-Feb-2013 prices (I confirmed against Bloomberg and FSM data) doh.gif

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Kaka, that day u were sitting with the HwangIM representative, u got his contact?

HwangIM website since the makeover is displaying prior day NAV...i.e. when I click to view fund prices, it shows 01-Mar-2013 NAV but those NAV prices shown are 28-Feb-2013 prices (I confirmed against Bloomberg and FSM data) doh.gif
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yalo.. hwangim change new website the price become slower than FSM liao lolz..
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Kaka, that day u were sitting with the HwangIM representative, u got his contact?

HwangIM website since the makeover is displaying prior day NAV...i.e. when I click to view fund prices, the date displayed is 01-Mar-2013 but those NAV prices shown are actually 28-Feb-2013 prices (I confirmed against Bloomberg and FSM data) doh.gif
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Ya, i got his card somewhere in my car. Let me go search for it and pm u
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Ya, i got his card somewhere in my car. Let me go search for it and pm u
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u PM me for what...u contact him let him know la doh.gif

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u PM me for what...u contact him let him know la doh.gif
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Too new to comment, the funds just started in February.

To get a rough picture of how they gonna fare, see the performance of Aberdeen funds in FSM Singapore. icon_idea.gif

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Bought my 1st share this week, and did my summary of investments as at 28-Feb last nite...IRR for my share investment, 1400%! laugh.gif

Today is the last day to use the FSM 0.88% angpow, who has utilised it? Uncle aronteh?

Interim Financial Statements (31-Dec-2012) for Hwang AQ is out:
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Anyone with experience investing EPF a/c 1 money with FSM? Can share how's the process like? I'm thinking to buy Hwang Select Opportunity with EPF money hmm.gif
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u confident HSO can perform better than EPF 6% ? haha..
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u confident HSO can perform better than EPF 6% ? haha..
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Yeah, 3-year, 5-year and 10-year historical data proved it. And I've got the time to let it catch up should equities underperform for 1 or 2 years. smile.gif
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What makes u chg your mind into investing UT via epf? thought u do not want to touch your epf money last time u mentioned before..
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Yeah, 3-year, 5-year and 10-year historical data proved it. And I've got the time to let it catch up should equities underperform for 1 or 2 years. smile.gif
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What makes u chg your mind into investing UT via epf? thought u do not want to touch your epf money last time u mentioned before..
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Don't wanna lend too much money to our rotten government laugh.gif

On a serious note, doubt I will need to purchase a house of my own since I'm the only child, marry also will live with my dad. Might as well take on a little more risk in search of more returns.
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Don't wanna lend too much money to our rotten government laugh.gif

On a serious note, doubt I will need to purchase a house of my own since I'm the only child, marry also will live with my dad. Might as well take on a little more risk in search of more returns.
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oh.. why is it related to buy house? can u use epf to buy house?
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oh.. why is it related to buy house? can u use epf to buy house?
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Hi ben3003,

I do simple model calc buying rm 400k, require 10% pay from EPF account 2.
The person work for 5 year equivalent salary permonth to save rm40k

Assumtion house above rm400k, then account 2 also atleast minimum rm40k


10% house down payment = rm40,000
5year EPF contribution with montly to Acc2 =rm 666.6666667
Acc 1 70% montly = rm1555.555556
Acc 2 30%monthly =rm 666.6666667
Montly Contribution to EPF=rm 2222.222222
Employee Salary using revese EPF contribute 11% + 12% = rm7911.111111


the person need to earn rm 8k per month for 5 year only can save rm40k to pay 10% down payment.
I remove the yearly EPF dividend, to made it simple clear cut for 5year flat saving.

notworthy.gif notworthy.gif Forgive me i do any wrong calc let me know, juz to share my view and my maths.

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Hi ben3003,

  I do simple model calc buying rm 400k, require 10% pay from EPF account 2.
The person work for 5 year equivalent salary permonth to save rm40k

Assumtion house above rm400k, then account 2 also atleast minimum rm40k
10% house down payment = rm40,000
5year EPF contribution with montly to Acc2 =rm 666.6666667
Acc 1 70% montly = rm1555.555556
Acc 2 30%monthly =rm 666.6666667
Montly Contribution to EPF=rm 2222.222222
Employee Salary using revese EPF contribute 11% + 12% = rm7911.111111
the person need to earn rm 8k per month for 5 year only can save rm40k to pay 10% down payment.
I remove the yearly EPF dividend, to made it simple clear cut for 5year flat saving.

notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif Forgive me i do any wrong calc let me know, juz to share my view and my maths.
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Oh ok, understood.. but this is only if u buy using EPF lo.. if u downpayment use cash then this not an issue right? i tot is a requirement..

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Oh ok, understood.. but this is only if u buy using EPF lo.. if u downpayment use cash then this not an issue right? i tot is a requirement..
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U mean

EPF > UT > EPF > house purchase

Right?

And your initial purchase of UT by EPF funds, u maxxed out your quota (20% in excess of basic savings) at 1 shot, or u divide into several purchases e.g. RM10,000 withdrawable, u divide into RM2,500 per quarter.

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U mean

EPF > UT > EPF > house purchase

Right?

And your initial purchase of UT by EPF funds, u maxxed out your quota (20% in excess of basic savings) at 1 shot, or u divide into several purchases e.g. RM10,000 withdrawable, u divide into RM2,500 per quarter.
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shakehead.gif shakehead.gif No No.

I used cash saving to UT, after few year take out to pay 10% downpayment
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Mar 5 2013, 02:29 PM)
shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  No No.

I used cash saving to UT, after few year take out to pay 10% downpayment
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Y U dun wan use EPF a/c 1 money to pay for downpayment? UT keep for long-term, should yield better than EPF hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 02:45 PM)
Y U dun wan use EPF a/c 1 money to pay for downpayment? UT keep for long-term, should yield better than EPF hmm.gif
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Shld be account 2. Pay 10% downpayment must hv cash to pay upfront within 3year from SnP can redem from account 2 EPF.

I used my EPF for UT investment in Public Mutual. long term becoz i dont want EPF used my money buy/sell stock by paying back vmad.gif less then UT.

By the way i open EPF-Public Regular Saving Fund during Aug/2008@0.5033 & Mei/2009@0.4582 Financial Tsunami.

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Mar 5 2013, 03:04 PM)
Shld be account 2. Pay 10% downpayment must hv cash to pay upfront within 3year from SnP can redem from account 2 EPF.

I used my EPF for UT investment in Public Mutual. long term becoz i dont want EPF used my money buy/sell stock by paying back vmad.gif  less then UT.

By the way i open EPF-Public Regular Saving Fund during Aug/2008@0.5033 & Mei/2009@0.4582 Financial Tsunami.
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hmm, so should be clever abit to switch to UT? biggrin.gif but need a more stable and less risky one, few percent higher than EPF then very happy liao haha.. so HSO is considered a good choice? any other selections?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 5 2013, 07:45 PM)
hmm, so should be clever abit to switch to UT? biggrin.gif but need a more stable and less risky one, few percent higher than EPF then very happy liao haha.. so HSO is considered a good choice? any other selections?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 07:50 PM)
HSO only if u are adventurous, OSK-UOB KidSave Trust highly recommended, its a very solid balanced fund.
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kk gonna take a look. Something weird, Hang Seng dropped quite alot yesterday, but HAQ NAV still managed to climb, abit abit lol.. i expect it to drop lol..
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kk gonna take a look. Something weird, Hang Seng dropped quite alot yesterday, but HAQ NAV still managed to climb, abit abit lol.. i expect it to drop lol..
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I already said, yesterday's crash was driven by property stocks which are mostly large cap stocks, Hwang AQ invests in smaller caps. Read the news la bro... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 07:56 PM)
I already said, yesterday's crash was driven by property stocks which are mostly large cap stocks, Hwang AQ invests in smaller caps. Read the news la bro... tongue.gif
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haha i see HAQ hold CCB in its top 10 holdings ma.. banking sector also drop..
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 5 2013, 07:45 PM)
hmm, so should be clever abit to switch to UT? biggrin.gif but need a more stable and less risky one, few percent higher than EPF then very happy liao haha.. so HSO is considered a good choice? any other selections?
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Juz luckily the time i only study UT didnt start study Stock.
I not sure HSO ? for me i looking for 0%service charge , so it look profitable

Except another Financial Tsunami again the fund price drop below the normal new fund price. tongue.gif

happy investing in UT.
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anyone invested in OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity UT? is it worth investing in this as compared to say, PSmallCap or PFSF?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 5 2013, 07:59 PM)
haha i see HAQ hold CCB in its top 10 holdings ma.. banking sector also drop..
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buy UT is the service charge low - then consider the yummy if the index go up.

Any fundsupermart fund recomend for PRS, then 0% service charge( sweat.gif my wet dream)? Want to reduce paying tax this year.
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anyone invested in OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity UT? is it worth investing in this as compared to say, PSmallCap or PFSF?
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Mar 5 2013, 08:29 PM)
buy UT is the service charge low - then consider the yummy if the index go up.

Any fundsupermart fund recomend for PRS, then 0% service charge( sweat.gif  my wet dream)?  Want to reduce paying tax this year.
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Currently FSM got Hwang PRS funds and RHB PRS funds.

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haha i see HAQ hold CCB in its top 10 holdings ma.. banking sector also drop..
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Yeah my Hwang Global Financial Institutions down 0.33% yesterday, as I said yesterday drop driven by property stocks in HK/China, and usually when property stocks selldown, banking stocks also kena cos the 2 sectors are closely related.
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Actually, i have HAQ alredi...and on the same time also have Psmallcap and PFSF....thinking of consolidating those MY smallcap funds to either one of the PM fund or Emerging Opportunity. not sure which direction to go yet.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 08:36 PM)
I prefer Hwang AQF to OUEOUT as OUEOUT is restricted to max of 30% in foreign investments, cos it's EPF-approved. U looking for EPF-approved fund?
Currently FSM got Hwang PRS funds and RHB PRS funds.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 5 2013, 08:39 PM)
Actually, i have HAQ alredi...and on the same time also have Psmallcap and PFSF....thinking of consolidating those MY smallcap funds to either one of the PM fund or Emerging Opportunity. not sure which direction to go yet.
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IMHO, factors to consider:
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 08:38 PM)
Yeah my Hwang Global Financial Institutions down 0.33% yesterday, as I said yesterday drop driven by property stocks in HK/China, and usually when property stocks selldown, banking stocks also kena cos the 2 sectors are closely related.
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I do have OSK-UOB fund in my portfolio, but personally i hate OSK-UOB because of the RM25 switching fees.

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IMHO, factors to consider:
- past performance vs benchmark
- other funds from the Fund House (to facilitate switching)
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I do have OSK-UOB fund in my portfolio, but personally i hate OSK-UOB because of the RM25 switching fees.
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+100

That's why I only buy OSK-UOB funds that I believe can hold for long-term.
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anyway, there's not many good performing local smallcap funds in FSM platform. so, the choice is limited.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 08:48 PM)
+100

That's why I only buy OSK-UOB funds that I believe can hold for long-term.
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+100

That's why I only buy OSK-UOB funds that I believe can hold for long-term.
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wat are the funds tat u believe in? biggrin.gif
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wat are the funds tat u believe in? biggrin.gif
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And of course, Cash Management Fund laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 08:55 PM)
With OSK-UOB I have Income Fund, Global Equity Yield and Emerging Markets Bond.

And of course, Cash Management Fund laugh.gif
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LOL CMF da best biggrin.gif now climb to 3%pa edi haha.. Suddenly saw ur avatar changed i tot wrong ppl replied my post with quote hahaha..
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 5 2013, 09:01 PM)
LOL CMF da best biggrin.gif now climb to 3%pa edi haha.. Suddenly saw ur avatar changed i tot wrong ppl replied my post with quote hahaha..
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 09:03 PM)
Changed back. Not comfortable putting real photo on LYN sweat.gif
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That is real photo? But u did put a love sign to cover ur face right. I thought this is a new member when reading the post just now.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 5 2013, 08:52 PM)
anyway, there's not many good performing local smallcap funds in FSM platform. so, the choice is limited.
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Well, Emerging Opportunity is decent smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 08:55 PM)
With OSK-UOB I have Income Fund, Global Equity Yield and Emerging Markets Bond.

And of course, Cash Management Fund laugh.gif
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I am also having OSK emerging market bond, of course plus cash management fund.
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What u bought using the 0.88%?
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Just topup my usual fund Hwang AQF, OSK-UOB Gold and General, OSK-UOB Kid Save Trust, OSK-UOB Big Cap China Enterprise Fund, AmAsia Pacific Reit and Eastspring Investments Global Emerging Markets Fund.
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Any sifu care to comments on leisure sector's UT?

FSM says AmAsia Pacific Leisure Dividend is available on their platform starting next month... Seems "sin"fully yummilicious based on its prospectus...

AmAsia Pacific Leisure Dividend Fund aims to provide regular income and capital appreciation over the medium to long term. The fund invests in leisure related sectors such as Brewery, Gaming, Leisure, Media and Tobacco across the Asia Pacific region.

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Yes, we will carry AmAsia Pacific Leisure Dividend fund on next month
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Please be informed that the fund has been launched on 25 February 2013 and currently is exclusive for Hong Leong Bank during IOP. We shall keep you informed once we have launched the fund on next month.

Do stay tuned for our upcoming fund.

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Sin industries will always prosper come rain or shine brows.gif
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QUOTE(millenniummonkey @ Mar 6 2013, 09:15 AM)
Any sifu care to comments on leisure sector's UT?

FSM says AmAsia Pacific Leisure Dividend is available on their platform starting next month... Seems "sin"fully yummilicious based on its prospectus...

AmAsia Pacific Leisure Dividend Fund aims to provide regular income and capital appreciation over the medium to long term.  The fund invests in leisure related sectors such as Brewery, Gaming, Leisure, Media and Tobacco across the Asia Pacific region.

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Yes, we will carry AmAsia Pacific Leisure Dividend fund on next month
(April).

Please be informed that the fund has been launched on 25 February 2013 and currently is exclusive for Hong Leong Bank during IOP. We shall keep you informed once we have launched the fund on next month.

Do stay tuned for our upcoming fund.

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where u got this?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 6 2013, 04:01 PM)
where u got this?
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i emailed FSM right after reading the launch from the newspaper ~
jz google AmAsia Pacific Leisure Dividend n it's all over the news ~
the last excerpt in my post is the email reply by jennifer@fsm ~
maybe u can email them to reconfirm if interested ~ drool.gif
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QUOTE(millenniummonkey @ Mar 6 2013, 05:49 PM)
i emailed FSM right after reading the launch from the newspaper ~
jz google AmAsia Pacific Leisure Dividend n it's all over the news ~
the last excerpt in my post is the email reply by jennifer@fsm ~
maybe u can email them to reconfirm if interested ~ drool.gif
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1.8% Management Fee hmm.gif
And it won't invest in Japanese equities, means no Nintendo, Sony etc doh.gif

Here's link to the prospectus:
http://www.ambankgroup.com/en/FundManageme...ureDividend.pdf
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 4 2013, 03:02 PM)
yup.. you are correct!
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U are wrong grumble.gif

Number of units sold : 1311.18
Confirmed Sale Price : RM0.6271
Redemption Fee : RM8.22
Gross Redemption : RM822.24
Net Amount After Redemption Fee(if any) : RM814.02

Redemption fee is calculated as % of the gross proceed, NOT gross proceed/1.01=net proceed

U made me "lost" 8 sen vmad.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 6 2013, 06:25 PM)
U are wrong grumble.gif

Number of units sold : 1311.18
Confirmed Sale Price : RM0.6271
Redemption Fee : RM8.22
Gross Redemption : RM822.24
Net Amount After Redemption Fee(if any) : RM814.02

Redemption fee is calculated as % of the gross proceed, NOT gross proceed/1.01=net proceed

U made me "lost" 8 sen vmad.gif

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Quick question. I noted recently that OSK-UOB GEM Bond Fund announced a dividend (ex-date 27th Feb, held them way before that). Till today I have yet to receive any crediting of additional units. Does it take a while for it to appear?
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Mar 6 2013, 07:41 PM)
Quick question. I noted recently that OSK-UOB GEM Bond Fund announced a dividend (ex-date 27th Feb, held them way before that). Till today I have yet to receive any crediting of additional units. Does it take a while for it to appear?
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It'll take up to 4 weeks if I'm not mistaken.

Pink Spider, please confirm.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 6 2013, 06:17 PM)
1.8% Management Fee hmm.gif
And it won't invest in Japanese equities, means no Nintendo, Sony etc doh.gif

Here's link to the prospectus:
http://www.ambankgroup.com/en/FundManageme...ureDividend.pdf
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But it could invest in US or HK listing right?

So you're not interested with this sinful fund?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 6 2013, 08:12 PM)
It'll take up to 4 weeks if I'm not mistaken.

Pink Spider, please confirm.
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That's correct, depending on how long the Fund House takes to credit FSM Nominee account.

QUOTE(gark @ Mar 6 2013, 06:50 PM)
Only sell 800 bucks? I thought you need 4k to overhaul your dad's car?  tongue.gif
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Sell 800 AmDynamic, 8K AmIncome Plus cry.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 6 2013, 08:14 PM)
But it could invest in US or HK listing right?

So you're not interested with this sinful fund?
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The japanese big firms are listed on Nikkei if I'm not mistaken. I'd rather reserve my ammo on local breweries and tobacco firms.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 6 2013, 08:19 PM)
That's correct, depending on how long the Fund House takes to credit FSM Nominee account.
Sell 800 AmDynamic, 8K AmIncome Plus cry.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Mar 6 2013, 10:52 PM)
Why would you sell AmDynamic, bro?
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buy my first UT few day ago, now it appear status "processing" with transaction date 5-march-2013, but no purchase price yet....

will the purchase price based on 5-march-2013 price?


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It will be on 5-Mar-13 price but you have to wait 2 working days later, i.e. 7-Mar-13 to know the actual price you will be buying in. The price you saw back then on 5-Mar-13 was actually 1-Mar-13's actual price (i.e. two working days ago).

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The price that you could see in the website is the so-called 'indicative price'. This is usually the price of the fund two working days ago. This indicative price is NOT the actual transaction price of the fund that you are buying or selling.

Generally, the fund manager requires approximately two business days to consolidate and derive a unit price for the funds. These prices are further valued independently by the fund's trustees. Therefore, the dealing price will be made known to the public two business days after the transaction date. Once we obtained the price, an email notification will be sent to you.


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o... it mean that the latest NAV price also is actually delay by 2 days?
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o... it mean that the latest NAV price also is actually delay by 2 days?
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The displayed NAV will have the date accompanied next to it.

0.xxxx (6 March 2013). The NAV for 6 March 2013.

If you have bought a fund yesterday, the price that you bought in will be based on this date.


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This question about processing time and NAV pricing has been repeated so many times doh.gif

Tonight I shall put a FAQ at Post #1 on this issue
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 09:27 AM)
The displayed NAV will have the date accompanied next to it.

0.xxxx (6 March 2013). The NAV for 6 March 2013.

If you have bought a fund yesterday, the price that you bought in will be based on this date.
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thank you biggrin.gif
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i wonder why is everyone so kan chiong about the NAV? you will be informed of the NAV you purchased once the units have been priced.

knowing NAV immediately doesnt mean that you can transact those units immediately. you can only do so once the units are credited into your account.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 7 2013, 12:08 PM)
i wonder why is everyone so kan chiong about the NAV? you will be informed of the NAV you purchased once the units have been priced.

knowing NAV immediately doesnt mean that you can transact those units immediately. you can only do so once the units are credited into your account.
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Because it could take up to 4 days in order to get it updated in the system.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 7 2013, 12:08 PM)
i wonder why is everyone so kan chiong about the NAV? you will be informed of the NAV you purchased once the units have been priced.

knowing NAV immediately doesnt mean that you can transact those units immediately. you can only do so once the units are credited into your account.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 01:08 PM)
Because it could take up to 4 days in order to get it updated in the system.
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If u buy thru bank, lagi teruk, u have to wait for them to send u the transaction advice by snail mail tongue.gif

Brazilian government 10-year bond yield at one-month low, 9.25%. Risk appetite is topping sweat.gif
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/GEBR10Y:IND

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Hi,
Wanna ask the expert around here, I had bought OSK-UOB Gold and General Fund, but recently seem like the price keep on dropping. Should i sell it to stop loss or should i hold it a little bit longer?
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Hi,
Wanna ask the expert around here, I had bought OSK-UOB Gold and General Fund, but recently seem like the price keep on dropping. Should i sell it to stop loss or should i hold it a little bit longer?
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How much is your loss now?
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QUOTE(aisoku @ Mar 7 2013, 02:56 PM)
Hi,
Wanna ask the expert around here, I had bought OSK-UOB Gold and General Fund, but recently seem like the price keep on dropping. Should i sell it to stop loss or should i hold it a little bit longer?
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In addition to David83's question...

(1) How much is your invested amount? Can u afford to top up to "average" down your cost per unit?
(2) How long can u remain invested?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 03:14 PM)
In addition to David83's question...

(1) How much is your invested amount? Can u afford to top up to "average" down your cost per unit?
(2) How long can u remain invested?
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currently my cost per unit is around 0.47
i had lost around 45K.

im not really in need of the money urgently, what i afraid it will be total lost.

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QUOTE(aisoku @ Mar 7 2013, 03:20 PM)
currently my cost per unit is around 0.47
i had lost around 45K.

im not really in need of the money urgently, what i afraid it will be total lost.
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Same question, can u afford to top up significantly to lower your cost per unit. And are u willing to wait for it to recover?

Current NAV 30 sen per unit...that's 36% gone. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(aisoku @ Mar 7 2013, 03:20 PM)
currently my cost per unit is around 0.47
i had lost around 45K.

im not really in need of the money urgently, what i afraid it will be total lost.
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Lost 45k, how much u buy? Never diversify to different funds!!!
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RM 0.3013 (March 6, 2013) is the latest NAV for OSK GGF

If your average unit cost is 0.47, your simple loss is 35.8%

OMG! That is a huge loss! If I were you, I may wait or top up for break even. This is almost similar to PCSF case.

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Lost 45k, how much u buy? Never diversify to different funds!!!
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That's the thing with those "thematic" funds, bankers and UT agents are very keen to hard-sell ppl esp inexperienced investors into those funds, usually without proper diversification and portfolio construction. See gold up, everyone buy gold and related investments. Then see IT boom, everyone jump into the bandwagon with all they had on IT stocks. Physical property also same, IMHO just a matter of time before it goes bust.

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Not really a loss until you sell up.

When equities are doing well there is normally less investment in gold which I guess relates to the poor performance of this fund in the past few years.

If you believe in Gold for the long term I'd just wait it out for the long term and top up whilst the price is low if you can afford to wait.

I hope you have other big holdings and diversified your portfolio - at 45K loss you must have invested a fair bit into this fund (lazy to do the calculation ..)
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Not really a loss until you sell up.

When equities are doing well there is normally less investment in gold which I guess relates to the poor performance of this fund in the past few years.

If you believe in Gold for the long term I'd just wait it out for the long term and top up whilst the price is low if you can afford to wait.

I hope you have other big holdings and diversified your portfolio - at 45K loss you must have invested a fair bit into this fund (lazy to do the calculation ..)
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smile.gif 125K is a fair amount - but I guess it's all relative to the total of his whole portfolio.

On the bright side - the top 2 holdings

GOLDCORP INC 8.86
BARRICK GOLD 7.50

Seem to have gained 4.1% and 3.65% respectively yesterday smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 03:32 PM)
Same question, can u afford to top up significantly to lower your cost per unit. And are u willing to wait for it to recover?

Current NAV 30 sen per unit...that's 36% gone. sweat.gif
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I can't afford to top up anymore. i can wait, but what i afraid is it will drop further cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 03:35 PM)
RM 0.3013 (March 6, 2013) is the latest NAV for OSK GGF

If your average unit cost is 0.47, your simple loss is 35.8%

OMG! That is a huge loss! If I were you, I may wait or top up for break even. This is almost similar to PCSF case.
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What is PCSF case?


I was a huge mistake to make such a big investment in this. cry.gif cry.gif

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That's the thing with those "thematic" funds, bankers and UT agents are very keen to hard-sell ppl esp inexperienced investors into those funds, usually without proper diversification and portfolio construction. See gold up, everyone buy gold and related investments. Then see IT boom, everyone jump into the bandwagon with all they had on IT stocks. Physical property also same, IMHO just a matter of time before it goes bust.
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i was in this case as the banker hard sell to me~ in fact i had been holding this fund since 2010 and that time the gold price really boom quite high...
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QUOTE(aisoku @ Mar 7 2013, 03:57 PM)
I can't afford to top up anymore. i can wait, but what i afraid is it will drop further  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
What is PCSF case?
I was a huge mistake to make such a big investment in this.  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Public China Select Fund.

Most of the fund holders trapped in this fund because the fund was launched when HSI is at very peak and until today, the fund hasn't reach its initial NAV.

Most of the reasons:

1. PM has no experience in managing China or Hong Kong stocks
2. Wrong timing of launch
3. Poor performance
4. Paranoid of exit by unitholders
5. Impatient unitholders

As of today,

6/3/2013 PUBLIC CHINA SELECT FUND 0.1617 0.0012 0.75%

PCSF still in lost of 35.32% from its initial NAV

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i was in this case as the banker hard sell to me~ in fact i had been holding this fund since 2010 and that time the gold price really boom quite high...
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Investment gurus say, when everyone (taxi drivers, hotel bellboys, aunties at pasar, apek at kopi shop etc) go excited about something, u should stay away. Because that is when market is overheated.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 04:02 PM)
Investment gurus say, when everyone (taxi drivers, hotel bellboys, aunties at pasar, apek at kopi shop etc) go excited about something, u should stay away. Because that is when market is overheated.
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lesson learned...

cry.gif cry.gif

So at the moment should i wait?
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QUOTE(aisoku @ Mar 7 2013, 04:08 PM)
lesson learned...

cry.gif  cry.gif

So at the moment should i wait?
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If I were u, I'd take it as a lesson and go elsewhere where growth potential is more visible. But seriously speaking everything (equities and bonds) look overbought now doh.gif

Start proper portfolio construction, with the RM80K+ u have left (RM125K-RM45K), u can construct a proper portfolio easily. With a well-constructed portfolio, u can just leave it on autopilot whilst enjoy returns that beats or at least matches EPF. smile.gif
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QUOTE(aisoku @ Mar 7 2013, 04:08 PM)
lesson learned...

cry.gif  cry.gif

So at the moment should i wait?
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As I said in the case of PCSF, you have 3 options:

1. Wait for miracle and breakeven
2. Top up to bring down the average unit cost
3. Switch to a better performing fund under same fund house
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 04:12 PM)
As I said in the case of PCSF, you have 3 options:

1. Wait for miracle and breakeven
2. Top up to bring down the average unit cost
3. Switch to a better performing fund under same fund house
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OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield
OSK-UOB Equity Trust
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust

OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond
OSK-UOB Income

There u have a well-diversified portfolio icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(aisoku @ Mar 7 2013, 04:08 PM)
lesson learned...

cry.gif  cry.gif

So at the moment should i wait?
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What % of your Portfolio is this fund?
When do you think you may need access to the money ?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 03:43 PM)
That's the thing with those "thematic" funds, bankers and UT agents are very keen to hard-sell ppl esp inexperienced investors into those funds, usually without proper diversification and portfolio construction. See gold up, everyone buy gold and related investments. Then see IT boom, everyone jump into the bandwagon with all they had on IT stocks. Physical property also same, IMHO just a matter of time before it goes bust.
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remind me Titanic.

You jump i jump....

When come to business all juz follow the person jump in and invite other to join.

The last one go in will fall frm the peak.

Like UT agent want to sell hardcode fund, the customer will ask did the agent hv the same fund to proof of the agent confident to the fund.

Trust me, even my frienz/relative will ask what stock i/banker/broker bought they want to jump in the same stock.


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60% of my portfolio.

Not really need to access the money at the moment.

What shall i do to construct a proper portfolio?

sorry for so many question smile.gif

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Hi Pink or any sifu here....I am going to buy some MY base equity fund..current sorted 4 of them...i wan to choose 2 out of 4, can anyone give ma an advise?

1)Kenanga Growth
2)AMB Dividend Trust
3)Eastspring Equity Income

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4)OSK UOB kidsave trust
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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Mar 7 2013, 04:52 PM)
Hi Pink or any sifu here....I am going to buy some MY base equity fund..current sorted 4 of them...i wan to choose 2 out of 4, can anyone give ma an advise?

1)Kenanga Growth
2)AMB Dividend Trust
3)Eastspring Equity Income

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4)OSK UOB kidsave trust
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I tot everyone were avoiding malaysia equity d as the GE is near
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I tot everyone were avoiding malaysia equity d as the GE is near
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Everyone seems to have forgotten about GE, the market had risen broadly recently, especially those dividend counters like breweries, tobacco and consumer products sweat.gif

Even my Ping Pong crackers counter also rose 5% in a week sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 05:08 PM)
Everyone seems to have forgotten about GE, the market had risen broadly recently, especially those dividend counters like breweries, tobacco and consumer products sweat.gif

Even my Ping Pong crackers counter also rose 5% in a week sweat.gif
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Nope..i m planning after April..or after GE then only go in. Any idea on this 4 fund?

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I tot everyone were avoiding malaysia equity d as the GE is near
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I knew..now into a cash rich situation. And not feeling like wan to buy in any stock after GE yet..that why sourcing for MY fund to buy after april.

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Nope..i m planning after April..or after GE then only go in. Any idea on this 4 fund?
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All 4 are good. if u lazy to do ur own monitoring and balancing, go for KidSave.

Note that AMB and KidSave can diversify up to 30% overseas, while EIEIF and Kenanga are pure MYR fund.
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I'm one of those who are skeptical about Malaysian equities.

I just sold off PSMALLCAP today.
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I'm one of those who are skeptical about Malaysian equities.

I just sold off PSMALLCAP today.
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That's just small caps, how about Malaysian large caps/blue chips/dividend stocks?
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That's just small caps, how about Malaysian large caps/blue chips/dividend stocks?
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None of them. I don't have a 100% local equity fund.

Even PSMALLCAP is not purely 100% local.
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None of them. I don't have a 100% local equity fund.

Even PSMALLCAP is not purely 100% local.
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U made me also feel wanna fully switch my EI Equity Income to EI Global Emerging Markets, esp seeing that KLCI had a strong run lately whereas GEMs underperformed.
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is XIRR % considered annualized return % as well?
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is XIRR % considered annualized return % as well?
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U made me also feel wanna fully switch my EI Equity Income to EI Global Emerging Markets, esp seeing that KLCI had a strong run lately whereas GEMs underperformed.
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Well, KLCI is underperformed compared to its peers lately.

When Asian market rally to nearly 1% or 2%, KLCI got stuck in RED. yawn.gif

That's why I'm pessimistic over KLCI or local equity especially when GE is nearing very soon.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 08:58 PM)
Well, KLCI is underperformed compared to its peers lately.

When Asian market rally to nearly 1% or 2%, KLCI got stuck in RED.  yawn.gif

That's why I'm pessimistic over KLCI or local equity especially when GE is nearing very soon.
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Well, maybe you have not been looking into the details. I have been closely looking at some stocks esp large cap blue chip consumer stocks in recent days, Target Price (TP) for some of these stocks have been breached, and some are steadily climbing toward the TP. It's as if everyone have forgotten about GE or investors are so hungry for dividends that yields are getting under heavy pressure.

Yes, when Hang Seng rallied, KLCI seem to be yawn.gif -ing, but when the rest of Asia got under selling pressure, KLCI ph34r.gif -ing and yawn.gif -ing climbed, and it's not just the blue chips.

My guess is that institutions are pumping up the market.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 09:06 PM)
Well, maybe you have not been looking into the details. I have been closely looking at some stocks esp large cap blue chip consumer stocks in recent days, Target Price (TP) for some of these stocks have been breached, and some are steadily climbing toward the TP. It's as if everyone have forgotten about GE or investors are so hungry for dividends that yields are getting under heavy pressure.

Yes, when Hang Seng rallied, KLCI seem to be yawn.gif -ing, but when the rest of Asia got under selling pressure, KLCI ph34r.gif -ing and yawn.gif -ing climbed, and it's not just the blue chips.

My guess is that institutions are pumping up the market.
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If I remembered correctly last week or this week, all markets over the world are in GREEN at least 1% min but KLCI closed in RED; lower by few points.

I'm not into local stocks as I have no plan in buying any of local shares at the mean time till after GE.

Foreign fund houses have been buying into our equity lately.

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Actually...US market now also quite scary when hitting all time high....we can not time the market folks....jus follow the flow and keep amour....need to turn down the monthly top up into GEM + world + China/asia fund as well.....have no direction wher market heading now...except japan
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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Mar 7 2013, 09:52 PM)
Actually...US market now also quite scary when hitting all time high....we can not time the market folks....jus follow the flow and keep amour....need to turn down the monthly top up into GEM + world + China/asia fund as well.....have no direction wher market heading now...except japan
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if like wat u said means go defensive? park all inside CMF fund? becos bond also very uncertain ma haha..
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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Mar 7 2013, 09:52 PM)
Actually...US market now also quite scary when hitting all time high....we can not time the market folks....jus follow the flow and keep amour....need to turn down the monthly top up into GEM + world + China/asia fund as well.....have no direction wher market heading now...except japan
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Japan equities market is more unpredictable.

When Asian market up this week in the range of 0.5% to 1%, Nikkei 225 closed in RED.

When Asian market in RED this week, Nikkei 225 closed at least 0.5% higher.


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Do Value Averaging on your portfolio as a whole, e.g. if u plan to "value up" RM500 a month, but your portfolio went up RM300 last month, just top up RM200 on your portfolio, top up on the laggards. That's what I do.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 10:10 PM)
Japan equities market is more unpredictable.

When Asian market up this week in the range of 0.5% to 1%, Nikkei 225 closed in RED.

When Asian market in RED this week, Nikkei 225 closed at least 0.5% higher.
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Nikkei is now liquidity and forex-driven (Yen weaken, Nikkei go up) as opposed to Hang Seng which is mainly China newsflow-driven.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 10:11 PM)
Do Value Averaging on your portfolio as a whole, e.g. if u plan to "value up" RM500 a month, but your portfolio went up RM300 last month, just top up RM200 on your portfolio, top up on the laggards. That's what I do.
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hmm, tis i cannot really understand, why need to do this? if rise then u top up the same amount not better? if not like the rise in ur invest is equal to nothing.. becos like u every month u got rm500 to invest in UT, but now u only invest rm300 to ur portfolio, then 200 u put where?

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 10:13 PM)
Nikkei is now liquidity and forex-driven (Yen weaken, Nikkei go up) as opposed to Hang Seng which is mainly China newsflow-driven.
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When I analyze Asian market, I'll not just concentrate to HSI and Nikkei 225.

I'll put STI and S&P/ASX 200.

Why I do this? Because most of the Asian ex Japan funds are investing heavily into HK or Greater China, Singapore or ASEAN and Australian (especially REIT).

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 7 2013, 10:21 PM)
hmm, tis i cannot really understand, why need to do this? if rise then u top up the same amount not better? if not like the rise in ur invest is equal to nothing.. becos like u every month u got rm500 to invest in UT, but now u only invest rm300 to ur portfolio, then 200 u put where?
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He's employing a technique called Value Cost Averaging.

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 7 2013, 10:21 PM)
hmm, tis i cannot really understand, why need to do this? if rise then u top up the same amount not better? if not like the rise in ur invest is equal to nothing.. becos like u every month u got rm500 to invest in UT, but now u only invest rm300 to ur portfolio, then 200 u put where?
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CMF lo doh.gif

*think reverse scenario*

If u top up RM500 come rain or shine, what about a month when your portfolio kaboom go -RM300? Still top up RM500? Then it's net +RM200 for the month...

I'm of the opinion that Value Averaging is superior to Dollar Cost Averaging. With DCA, u might end up deploying your cash even when the market is overheating. With VCA, u top up more when the market crash, top up less (or even stop topping up altogether) when the market rallied hard.
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Yeap...now under observing VCA method. I already stop d DCA unless US going stable
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VCA is more dynamic and superior compared to DCA but still there's an arguement on which one is better.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 10:24 PM)
When I analyze Asian market, I'll not just concentrate to HSI and Nikkei 225.

I'll put STI and S&P/ASX 200.

Why I do this? Because most of the Asian ex Japan are investing heavily into HK or Greater China, Singapore or ASEAN and Australian (especially REIT).
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During office hours when I wanna read some news I usually go MarketWatch.com, they display Nikkei, Hang Seng, Shanghai and STI on the main page, that's why I'm more familiar with the movements of these indices, South Korean Kospi and Australian S&P ASX I seldom see tongue.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 10:28 PM)
VCA is more dynamic and superior compared to DCA but still there's an arguement on which one is better.
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Well, improvise lo, don't die die follow strictly. Even when markets are flying, I made it a point to top up a minimal amount (RM100-RM200). smile.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 10:30 PM)
During office hours when I wanna read some news I usually go MarketWatch.com, they display Nikkei, Hang Seng, Shanghai and STI on the main page, that's why I'm more familiar with the movements of these indices, South Korean Kospi and Australian S&P ASX I seldom see tongue.gif
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Bloomberg and Yahoo! Finance are my feeder for indices figures and broader financial news title.

OT: Pink Spider, are you a CFP? Or you're just an accountant (perhaps senior post or even charted)?

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 7 2013, 10:32 PM)
Bloomberg and Yahoo! Finance are my feeder for indices figures and broader financial news title.

OT: Pink Spider, are you a CFP? Or you're just an accountant (perhaps senior post or even charted)?
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Not working in professional practice i.e. audit or tax, so the status of qualified or not doesn't really matter much.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 10:26 PM)
CMF lo doh.gif

*think reverse scenario*

If u top up RM500 come rain or shine, what about a month when your portfolio kaboom go -RM300? Still top up RM500? Then it's net +RM200 for the month...

I'm of the opinion that Value Averaging is superior to Dollar Cost Averaging. With DCA, u might end up deploying your cash even when the market is overheating. With VCA, u top up more when the market crash, top up less (or even stop topping up altogether) when the market rallied hard.
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oh ok, so with VCA, if tat particular portfolio dropped rm200 tis month, so u add rm700 next month? then if ur portfolio keep earning rm500 every month u also cannot top up if u stick with the VCA? haha..

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 7 2013, 10:51 PM)
oh ok, so with VCA, if tat particular portfolio dropped rm200 tis month, so u add rm700 next month? then if ur portfolio keep earning rm500 every month u also cannot top up if u stick with the VCA? haha..
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KLCI feel-good is still on, good time to switch out to avoid GE selldown. Feel wanna switch out my 100% Malaysian equity EI Equity Income, but where to? GEM or Asia Pacific Shariah Equity hmm.gif

GEM - no exposure to HK (non-China stocks) Singapore and Australia
APSE - no exposure to haram stocks esp banks

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i wanna take profit from my OSK-UOB Kidsave fund. should i switch to CMF or another bond fund in OSK-UOB which i dont have now (maybe OSK-UOB Income)?

what's the pros and cons?
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 8 2013, 10:02 AM)
i wanna take profit from my OSK-UOB Kidsave fund. should i switch to CMF or another bond fund in OSK-UOB which i dont have now (maybe OSK-UOB Income)?

what's the pros and cons?
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If u wanna switch into OSK-UOB Income, DON'T DO SWITCHING (RM25 switching fee, remember?). Sell KidSave, then buy into Income. Income is a 0% SC fund. It's no AmDynamic Bond where u can get 5-10% p.a., but u can safely get 3.5-4% p.a. from it.

KidSave is quite steady, I think u can keep it if its not at a significant % of ur portfolio. U may even top up should it drops.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 09:50 AM)
KLCI feel-good is still on, good time to switch out to avoid GE selldown. Feel wanna switch out my 100% Malaysian equity EI Equity Income, but where to? GEM or Asia Pacific Shariah Equity hmm.gif

GEM - no exposure to HK (non-China stocks) Singapore and Australia
APSE - no exposure to haram stocks esp banks

How cry.gif
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Go Asia ex. Japan... that's where I am heading now.... brows.gif sin stocks included...

Don't miss the hot countries is like Philippines which the share market has gone up 14% year to date (3months!!!) rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 10:07 AM)
Go Asia ex. Japan... that's where I am heading now.... brows.gif
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Eastspring Investments non-Shariah APexJ fund sucks doh.gif , but the Shariah variant performed great, consistently beat its benchmark (Dow Jones Islamic APexJ).

Thinking... hmm.gif

GEM covers most of APexJ except for domestic HK, Singapore and Australia

Australia has the biggest mining companies, Singapore has some good yielding Telcos hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 10:07 AM)
Don't miss the hot countries is like Philippines which the share market has gone up 14% year to date (3months!!!) rclxms.gif
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Both GEM and APexJ covers Philippines

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 10:10 AM)
Eastspring Investments non-Shariah APexJ fund sucks doh.gif , but the Shariah variant performed great, consistently beat its benchmark (Dow Jones Islamic APexJ).

Thinking... hmm.gif

GEM covers most of APexJ except for domestic HK, Singapore and Australia

Australia has the biggest mining companies, Singapore has some good yielding Telcos hmm.gif
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All those outdated story already.. now people go to Thailand, Philippines, Bangladesh, and re-emerging Vietnam for new growth story... tongue.gif

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All those outdated story already.. now people go to Thailand, Philippines, Bangladesh, and re-emerging Vietnam for new growth story... tongue.gif
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So, u reckon Emerging Asia has better potential than Developed Asia?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 10:11 AM)
Both GEM and APexJ covers Philippines
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Tried to top up on OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield Fund but not in the list anymore. Is this fund closed already?
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So, u reckon Emerging Asia has better potential than Developed Asia?
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I strike a balance, hence concentrating on Asia ex. Japan... not Asia Pacific ex Japan. The difference is coverage on mid Asia countries like India, Sri Lanka, and other emerging nations there...

Most funds have about 60% developed Asia (China, HK, SG, Korea, Aus) and 40% on emerging Asia (SEA, India).
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Tried to top up on OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield Fund but not in the list anymore. Is this fund closed already?
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It's my favourite global equity fund cry.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 10:15 AM)
I strike a balance, hence concentrating on Asia ex. Japan... not Asia Pacific ex Japan. The difference is coverage on mid Asia countries like India, Sri Lanka, and other emerging nations there...

Most funds have about 60% developed Asia (China, HK, SG, Korea, Aus) and 40% on emerging Asia (SEA, India).
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Eastspring Investments' Asia Ex-Japan funds have exposure to central-mid Asia too.

The Shariah variant seem to focus on IT and materials as its got no exposure to financials.

My equity funds now:
AmAsia Pac REITs 14%
EI Equity Income 10%
EI GEM 30%
Hwang Asia Quantum 17%
Pacific Global Stars 9%
OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield 19%

Sifu, GEM or AexJ Shariah? notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 2 2013, 05:55 PM)
Buy and hold all the way?

Seems like what my big boss taught me is true, just buy stocks of quality companies with decent dividend yield, buy and hold even when the price drops so long as its fundamentals and business prospects are intact. hmm.gif

But still, retail investors like most of us only have access to KLSE stocks, hard to gain exposure to overseas stocks like US and HK stocks. And bear in mind, Malaysian stocks have been fairly resilient in recent times, but how long can it continue to be so?
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Trying to catch-up on v2. I found it easier to trade US equities than Malaysian. Lots of information available online and the trading platforms are really excellent. I'm using TDAmeritrade discount broker and ThinkOrSwim platform. US has the biggest market capitalization, several time bigger than HK that is 2nd world biggest. Liquidity is excellent. You should try it.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 8 2013, 10:35 AM)
Trying to catch-up on v2. I found it easier to trade US equities than Malaysian. Lots of information available online and the trading platforms are really excellent. I'm using TDAmeritrade discount broker and ThinkOrSwim platform. US has the biggest market capitalization, several time bigger than HK that is 2nd world biggest. Liquidity is excellent. You should try it.
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I don't intend to trade, I feel I don't have the mental strength to trade stocks blush.gif

Just wanna buy some dividend yielding stocks for keeps
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 10:21 AM)
Yea wor shocking.gif

It's my favourite global equity fund cry.gif

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Darn. I'm just at 8% and my target is 15%. Look like have to go with Pacific Global Stars hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 8 2013, 10:47 AM)
Darn. I'm just at 8% and my target is 15%. Look like have to go with Pacific Global Stars  hmm.gif
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Pacific Global Stars is currently overweight HK and Singapore, not a good choice if u want more US/Europe exposure. PGS rides on opportunities, it's actively managed against its composite benchmark.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 10:30 AM)
Eastspring Investments' Asia Ex-Japan funds have exposure to central-mid Asia too.

The Shariah variant seem to focus on IT and materials as its got no exposure to financials.

My equity funds now:
AmAsia Pac REITs 14%
EI Equity Income 10%
EI GEM 30%
Hwang Asia Quantum 17%
Pacific Global Stars 9%
OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield 19%

Sifu, GEM or AexJ Shariah? notworthy.gif

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looks like your GEM already a lot at 30%. Some GEM holdings also cross over with Asia ex Japan....
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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 11:32 AM)
looks like your GEM already a lot at 30%. Some GEM holdings also cross over with Asia ex Japan....
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Yea, as I said, GEM covers most of Asia ex Japan except for developed Asia like HK, Singapore and Australia.

My effective exposure to GEM except Asia ex Japan is about 9%+ of my equity allocation.

Done - switched all my 100% Malaysian EI Equity Income Fund to EI Asia Pacific Shariah Equity Fund. Should be a good timing, today KLCI in green, many dividend stocks climbing.

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FSM Recommended Portfolio adjustment for end-Feb 2013:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...FSM/B201302.pdf

They're adding CIMB-Principal Global Titans for global equity exposure. hmm.gif
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ROI: 18.35%, XIRR: 12.95%

The return still cannot cover PCSF loss.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 12:03 PM)
FSM Recommended Portfolio adjustment for end-Feb 2013:
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...FSM/B201302.pdf

They're adding CIMB-Principal Global Titans for global equity exposure. hmm.gif
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So far for world/US exposure I am buying ETF only, much more cost effective and most global/US funds have hard time beating the benchmark anyway... icon_idea.gif

For US - VOO - management fee 0.05% p.a.
For Global - VT - management fee 0.19% p.a.

Your global holdings all perform below benchmark.. still want to keep? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 12:44 PM)
So far for world/US exposure I am buying ETF only, much more cost effective and most global/US funds have hard time beating the benchmark anyway... icon_idea.gif

For US - VOO - management fee 0.05% p.a.
For Global - VT - management fee 0.19% p.a.

Your global holdings all perform below benchmark.. still want to keep?  tongue.gif
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My OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield matching/slightly beating MSCI AC World tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 01:26 PM)
My OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield matching/slightly beating MSCI AC World tongue.gif
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Ya meh.. I see overall losing to MSCI world oh....

YTD beat slightly...
1 year lose, 3 year lose, 5 year lose wor.... tongue.gif but pay 1.5% vs 0.19%.... brows.gif

Come change to ETF... rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 01:29 PM)
Ya meh.. I see overall losing to MSCI world oh....

YTD beat slightly...
1 year lose, 3 year lose, 5 year lose wor.... tongue.gif  but pay 1.5% vs 0.19%.... brows.gif

Come change to ETF... rclxms.gif
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How's the brokerage? Buy thru who? hmm.gif

My broker only got FTSE ASEAN and CIMB China ETF sad.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 01:34 PM)
How's the brokerage? Buy thru who? hmm.gif

My broker only got FTSE ASEAN and CIMB China ETF sad.gif
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Can buy through US broker or local broker, but local broker expensive lar.. US broker is USD 9.90/ transaction no matter how much you buy... You buy little little, then expensive lor tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 01:39 PM)
Can buy through US broker or local broker, but local broker expensive lar.. US broker is USD 9.90/ transaction no matter how much you buy... You buy little little, then expensive lor tongue.gif
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I'm only a little ant investor doh.gif

U see, overall it still beats benchmark marginally, 100 basis points laugh.gif
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYOSKGEY.pdf

One question about fund vs index...

Indices does not take into account dividend incomes, right? If that's the case, investing in ETF that tracks index would win? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 10:26 PM)
CMF lo doh.gif

*think reverse scenario*

If u top up RM500 come rain or shine, what about a month when your portfolio kaboom go -RM300? Still top up RM500? Then it's net +RM200 for the month...

I'm of the opinion that Value Averaging is superior to Dollar Cost Averaging. With DCA, u might end up deploying your cash even when the market is overheating. With VCA, u top up more when the market crash, top up less (or even stop topping up altogether) when the market rallied hard.
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Statistically VCA is also superior to DCA in real-market situations brows.gif
Anyhow, hm.. asset allocation doesn't seem to occur to some bros/sis here, rather than purely trying to time the market.

VCA to me is semi-compartmentalized Asset Allocation coz when high, dont use much $, thus $ left in $ market / FD / Bond funds, thus "mini asset allocation".

Just a thought notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 01:41 PM)
One question about fund vs index...

Indices does not take into account dividend incomes, right? If that's the case, investing in ETF that tracks index would win? hmm.gif
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There are two kind of index,

Most international index for example MSCI, FTSE, S&P etc already included dividend the calculation. This is the acceptable international standard.

Most MALAYSIAN index which local fund loves to compare against eg. KLCI/KLSE does not include dividend to make it easy to beat. whistling.gif

A good ETF will perform exactly like an Index with very small variance.

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 8 2013, 02:20 PM)
There are two kind of index,

Most international MSCI, FTSE, S&P, MS, index for example already included dividend the calculation. This is acceptable international standard.

Most MALAYSIAN index which local fund loves to compare against eg. KLCI/KLSE does not include dividend so it is easy to beat. whistling.gif

A good ETF will perform exactly like an Index with very small variance.
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Jaguh kampung indeed grumble.gif

wait, any proof of that? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 02:22 PM)
mad.gif  vmad.gif

Jaguh kampung indeed grumble.gif

wait, any proof of that? hmm.gif
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The Malaysian index with dividend calculation included is FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI (FBMKLCI)

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The FTSE Bursa Malaysia Index Series currently comprises the following 12 indicescovering the Main Market,, ACE Market and the companies from the universes of developed, advanced emerging and secondary emerging countries as classified by FTSE in the Asia Pacific region (ex Japan, Australia and New Zealand).

Tradable Indices
FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Mid 70 Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Top 100 Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Hijrah Shariah Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Asian Palm Oil Plantation Index - USD
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Asian Palm Oil Plantation Index – MYR

Benchmark Indices
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Small Cap Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia EMAS Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia Fledgling Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia EMAS Shariah Index
FTSE Bursa Malaysia ACE Index

All the indices have a price and total return end of day index calculation. The total return methodology is based on FTSE’s existing methodology. Total Return Indices (TRI) are indices which measure the total return on the under lying constituents, combining both capital performance and reinvested income.


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Indonesia: Growth To Accelerate In 2013


KEY POINTS:

1. Albeit slowing down from the 6.5% growth rate in 2011 and missing the government’s growth target of 6.3 - 6.5%, Indonesia’s economy remained solid in 2012, growing at a robust rate of 6.2%.
2. Indonesia’s economic growth in 2013 will be supported by the resilient private consumption and strong investment.
3. Debottlenecking of investment barriers should see government spending gradually picking up in this year and this should have spillover effects to investment.
4. With the external environment expected to get better in 2H 2013, exports is likely to grow stronger in this year to narrow the 13.7% shrinkage of net exports seen in 2012.
5. Based on Bank Indonesia’s projection, economic growth for this year is expected to be stronger than the 6.2% seen in 2012, ranging in between 6.3% and 6.8% .

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3231

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U know what? That day at the FSM "Lou Sang" dinner, the CEO of Amanah Mutual Berhad suggested that the better way to invest in foreign markets is to buy single-market funds. She reckoned that this way, u can manage your portfolio better. And she's quite positive on Indonesia.

I think she is right in a sense; this way, u can see more clearly which country is performing and which is not, and u can structure your portfolio in a more clear manner.

Problem is, as amateur investors ourselves, how do u decide how much % to allocate to the respective countries? Region allocation is already a headache, what more country allocation. sweat.gif rclxub.gif

What do u guys think?

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U are wrong grumble.gif

Number of units sold : 1311.18
Confirmed Sale Price : RM0.6271
Redemption Fee : RM8.22
Gross Redemption : RM822.24
Net Amount After Redemption Fee(if any) : RM814.02

Redemption fee is calculated as % of the gross proceed, NOT gross proceed/1.01=net proceed

U made me "lost" 8 sen vmad.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 12:14 AM)
U know what? That day at the FSM "Lou Sang" dinner, the CEO of Amanah Mutual Berhad suggested that the better way to invest in foreign markets is to buy single-market funds. She reckoned that this way, u can manage your portfolio better. And she's quite positive on Indonesia.

I think she is right in a sense; this way, u can see more clearly which country is performing and which is not, and u can structure your portfolio in a more clear manner.

Problem is, as amateur investors ourselves, how do u decide how much % to allocate to the respective countries? Region allocation is already a headache, what more country allocation. sweat.gif rclxub.gif

What do u guys think?
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You can allocate max 5% to single country if you want to boost certain country. Even if you have regional like Asia ex Japan for example.

So you can still keep the regional amount and boost countries you think will do well. IMHO for single countries best not to exceed total 20% of your portfolio. The other 80% is your 'core' portfolio, which will not change and maintain constant asset allocation. The 20% 'boost' portfolio is medium-term, but change as the situation/economies change...

Treat you core as elephant gun and boost as sniper rifle...

Example of equity 'core' & 'boost' portfolio....

30% Global equity
20% GEM
20% Asia ex. Japan
10% Frontier

5% Indonesia
5% China
5% Malaysia
5% Brazil

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 9 2013, 10:40 AM)
You can allocate max 5% to single country if you want to boost certain country. Even if you have regional like Asia ex Japan for example.

So you can still keep the regional amount and boost countries you think will do well. IMHO for single countries best not to exceed total 20% of your portfolio. The other 80% is your 'core' portfolio, which will not change and maintain constant asset allocation. The 20% 'boost' portfolio is medium-term, but change as the situation/economies change...

Treat you core as elephant gun and boost as sniper rifle...

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I wonder those who were burnt by PCSF got in how much? 100%? laugh.gif

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Talking of which, my "sniper" (Hwang Global Financial Institutions Fund) actually made up 1/4 of my equity portfolio. Back then dunno anything about portfolio investing. Luckily it did not tank like China funds, giving me a tiny return of 4% annualised since 2008 sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 11:01 AM)
Talking of which, my "sniper" (Hwang Global Financial Institutions Fund) actually made up 1/4 of my equity portfolio. Back then dunno anything about portfolio investing. Luckily it did not tank like China funds, giving me a tiny return of 4% annualised since 2008 sweat.gif
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My 'boost' portfolio is..

10% China
5% USA
5% Indonesia

So far so good....the china was the laggard for a while but has now improved. The core portfolio is doing quite well... The china & Indonesia is lumped into Asia ex. Pacific for me...

Looks like your portfolio needs some 'rebalancing'.. mine definitely does... so I am busy moving funds..

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My 'boost' portfolio is..

10% China
5% USA
5% Indonesia

So far so good....the china was the laggard for a while but has now improved. The core portfolio is doing quite well... The china & Indonesia is lumped into Asia ex. Pacific for me...
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Main drivers of my portfolio returns are EM bonds and Hwang Select Income Fund. Current portfolio IRR: 6%, these two consistently delivered above that. The rest +/- around 6%. The monster is Hwang Asia Quantum Fund with double-digit IRR. IF ONLY I had invested in it earlier. doh.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 11:26 AM)
Main drivers of my portfolio returns are EM bonds and Hwang Select Income Fund. Current portfolio IRR: 6%, these two consistently delivered above that. The rest +/- around 6%. The monster is Hwang Asia Quantum Fund with double-digit IRR. IF ONLY I had invested in it earlier. doh.gif
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Remember not to get too attached to good performance fund.. need to rebalance. Convert some of the outperformance to underperformance fund...

What goes up will.... (fill in yourself). tongue.gif

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Remember not to get too atatched to good performance fund.. need to rebalance.

What goes up will.... (fill in yourself).  tongue.gif
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...get shot down in flames? laugh.gif

I know lar, just as we need not get overly upset with a laggard for 1-2 years which might shoot up in the 3rd year, we must also not get too excited with a superstar which might turn out to be a supernova nod.gif
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hi im newbie here, im only got

kenanga growth &
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Now i got new $$, where to invest?
appetite: medium.
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hi im newbie here, im only got

kenanga growth &
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Now i got new $$, where to invest?
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Hi there,

Take a look at my portfolio
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3314350

That was last month's position, some changes were made since then but not really that significant. wink.gif

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Hi there,

Take a look at my portfolio
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3314350

That was last month's position, some changes were made since then but not really that significant. wink.gif
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wow so many fund biggrin.gif HAQ giving me 4% return for around 1week plus, doing quite well tis fund, not affected by HSI slump biggrin.gif i saw they switched their CCB holdings to other things.. great decision, banking is doing bad in HSI currently.
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What does CCB stand for?
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As for the indecent version...I don't wanna kena warn by mod laugh.gif
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My guess is China Construction Bank hmm.gif

As for the indecent version...I don't wanna kena warn by mod laugh.gif
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Yea, as I said, GEM covers most of Asia ex Japan except for developed Asia like HK, Singapore and Australia.

My effective exposure to GEM except Asia ex Japan is about 9%+ of my equity allocation.

Done - switched all my 100% Malaysian EI Equity Income Fund to EI Asia Pacific Shariah Equity Fund. Should be a good timing, today KLCI in green, many dividend stocks climbing.
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Pink Spider, regarding your recent switch to EI Asia Pacific Shariah Equity Fund, I was told by Morningstar that the fund's rating is dowgraded from 4 star to 3 star. Your comment on the potential of the said fund?


http://my.morningstar.com/ap/quicktake/ove...ceId=0P0000GEZX


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Yup, it's China Construction Bank, even when dealer talked to me CCB she also curi curi laughed abit biggrin.gif
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I only sell my profits.
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Pink Spider, regarding your recent switch to EI Asia Pacific Shariah Equity Fund, I was told by Morningstar that the fund's rating is dowgraded from 4 star to 3 star. Your comment on the potential of the said fund?
http://my.morningstar.com/ap/quicktake/ove...ceId=0P0000GEZX
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I prefer Lipper to Morningstar cos it's got 3 different ratings for Total Return, Consistent Return and Preservation. I usually don't bother much about Morningstar. smile.gif

Well, among the Asia Ex-Japan funds available on FSM, this is perhaps the best.

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I prefer Lipper to Morningstar cos it's got 3 different ratings for Total Return, Consistent Return and Preservation. I usually don't bother much about Morningstar. smile.gif

Well, among the Asia Ex-Japan funds available on FSM, this is perhaps the best.
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Shahriah compliant fund. What a surprise, I thought you don't like Shahriah fund because it generally posts lower return.
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Hi Sifus, I need your recommendation, at the moment I hold these funds in equal percentages i.e. 25% each of my portfolio i.e. 25 x4 = 100 %

Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah Equity Fund
Kenanga Syariah Growth Fund
Pheim Asia Ex-Japan Islamic
AmOasis Global Islamic Equity

I am also thinking to buy Hwang Aiiman Fund and then evenly distribute i.e. 20% x5 = 100 % .

Is it a good idea? Or do you recommend a better approach of putting more weight in some funds and less weight in some funds instead of going equally in all?
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Shahriah compliant fund. What a surprise, I thought you don't like Shahriah fund because it generally posts lower return.
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Portfolio investing, remember? tongue.gif

My EI GEM already got exposure to banks in Emerging Asia region,
Pacific Global Stars got exposure to Asian banks and also sin stocks (it have/used to have exposure in Genting Singapore, BAT etc),
OSK-UOB GEY also got exposure to sin stocks
Hwang AQ is more of a small cap fund

I find that my exposure to Australia is fairly low (Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton). Not keen on Australia-specific fund. EI AP Shariah has significant AUS allocation.

I never said Shariah funds generally post lower return, I just said no exposure to sin stocks which generally offer good dividend yields.

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Hi Sifus, I need your recommendation, at the moment I hold these funds in equal percentages i.e. 25% each of my portfolio  i.e. 25 x4 = 100 % 

Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah Equity Fund
Kenanga Syariah Growth Fund
Pheim Asia Ex-Japan Islamic
AmOasis Global Islamic Equity

I am also thinking to buy Hwang Aiiman Fund and then evenly distribute i.e. 20% x5 = 100 %   . 

Is it a good idea? Or do you recommend a better approach of putting more weight in some funds and less weight in some funds instead of going equally in all?
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That fund has been underperforming...why u did not pick the new Aberdeen Islamic World Equity? hmm.gif

Hwang Aiiman and Kenanga Syariah both also 100% Malaysian equity, why u wanna "buy 2 guns of the same type"? hmm.gif

As for weighting for different funds, maybe it's also a good idea to start with equal weighting, then as u gain more experience, u will know better on how to weigh them appropriately to construct a well-balanced portfolio. smile.gif

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That fund has been underperforming...why u did not pick the new Aberdeen Islamic World Equity? hmm.gif

Hwang Aiiman and Kenanga Syariah both also 100% Malaysian equity, why u wanna "buy 2 guns of the same type"? hmm.gif

As for weighting for different funds, maybe it's also a good idea to start with equal weighting, then as u gain more experience, u will know better on how to weigh them appropriately to construct a well-balanced portfolio. smile.gif
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I didn't pick Aberdeen global islamic since it was just launched last month, and I saw it's performance over a month which is degarding. Isn't it a better idea to wait for sometime to see how it goes? And there aren't any other much choices in global islamic equity funds on FSM

About having Hwang Aiiman, I saw it's performance has also been pretty good over the years, so that's why considered buying it, but you can recommend some other countrie's equity fund to me which is suitable ? The problem is that there aren't many choices in shariah compliant funds that's why feels hands are a bit tied down.
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I didn't pick Aberdeen global islamic since it was just launched last month, and I saw it's performance over a month which is degarding. Isn't it a better idea to wait for sometime to see how it goes?  And there aren't any other much choices in global islamic equity funds on FSM

About having Hwang Aiiman, I saw it's performance has also been pretty good over the years, so that's why considered buying it, but you can recommend some other countrie's equity fund to me which is suitable ?  The problem is that there aren't many choices in shariah compliant funds that's why feels hands are a bit tied down.
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1. U don't judge a fund over its 1-month performance doh.gif
2. Told you already, its managed by the same team managing Aberdeen Global Opportunities which is available on FSM Singapore, only difference being the Malaysian fund cannot invest in sin stocks and financials.
3. U don't need to have that many funds, UT investing is unlike stock investing where u need at least 10 stocks to diversify adequately.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 03:25 PM)
1. U don't judge a fund over its 1-month performance doh.gif
2. Told you already, its managed by the same team managing Aberdeen Global Opportunities which is available on FSM Singapore, only difference being the Malaysian fund cannot invest in sin stocks and financials.
3. U don't need to have that many funds, UT investing is unlike stock investing where u need at least 10 stocks to diversify adequately.
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Aberdeen Global Opportunities is a great fund... rclxms.gif

Don't know if the Malaysian version will have similar stocks... need to wait for the first factsheet..

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Aberdeen Global Opportunities is a great fund... rclxms.gif

Don't know if the Malaysian version will have similar stocks... need to wait for the first factsheet..
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Eh pakcik, aku ingat kau tak minat global equity funds? ETF mar... whistling.gif
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Wahlau call me pakcik.. i still young lor... doh.gif

Although have ETF also can see fund right? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 02:25 PM)
1. U don't judge a fund over its 1-month performance doh.gif
2. Told you already, its managed by the same team managing Aberdeen Global Opportunities which is available on FSM Singapore, only difference being the Malaysian fund cannot invest in sin stocks and financials.
3. U don't need to have that many funds, UT investing is unlike stock investing where u need at least 10 stocks to diversify adequately.
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So what do you suggest then? Just my 4 funds are enough and i keep increasing the weights equally on them instead of buying more funds? Should I try Aberdeen Islamic Global?
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So what do you suggest then? Just my 4 funds are enough and i keep increasing the weights equally on them instead of buying more funds?  Should I try Aberdeen Islamic Global?
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Since u have already bought and incurred the Sales Charges, might as well keep it and monitor how it performs.

IMHO, for the "core" u only need
1 Malaysian
1 Asia ex-Japan
1 Global

then if u wish u can supplement with
1 Asia ex-Japan small cap (and Pheim Asia ex-Japan u took smile.gif )
1 Global Emerging Markets like CIMB Islamic Global Emerging Markets

U don't go buy a Honda Accord when u already have a Toyota Camry. doh.gif
If u got extra cash, go buy an MPV, a sports Coupe or maybe even a Harley Davidson flex.gif

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if you have unit trusts and stocks in your portfolio, how do you do the asset allocation?

let's say your ideal asset allocation is 70% equity and 30% bond, for the equity portion, do you count the equity funds in UT + stocks = 70%?
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if you have unit trusts and stocks in your portfolio, how do you do the asset allocation?

let's say your ideal asset allocation is 70% equity and 30% bond, for the equity portion, do you count the equity funds in UT + stocks = 70%?
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Up to personal preference I'd say.

For me, yes I count both. Planning to have 25% of my investment assets in local stocks. My preference is 50/50, that's why the equity portion in my UT is only 33.3%+/-.

(33.3% x 75%) + 25% = 25% + 25% = 50%
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so your asset allocation is 50% equity and 50% bond/fixed income?

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 04:22 PM)
Up to personal preference I'd say.

For me, yes I count both. Planning to have 25% of my investment assets in local stocks. My preference is 50/50, that's why the equity portion in my UT is only 33.3%+/-.

(33.3% x 75%) + 25% = 25% + 25% = 50%
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so your asset allocation is 50% equity and 50% bond/fixed income?
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 02:04 PM)
I prefer Lipper to Morningstar cos it's got 3 different ratings for Total Return, Consistent Return and Preservation. I usually don't bother much about Morningstar. smile.gif

Well, among the Asia Ex-Japan funds available on FSM, this is perhaps the best.
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Anyone invested in Indonesian? Lately the performance is good.
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I am interested in thailand though for longer term...
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Pink, is Hwang Global Financial Institutions Fund available at FSM? Couldn't such that fund. Or is it only limited time subscription?
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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 10 2013, 11:10 AM)
Anyone invested in Indonesian? Lately the performance is good.
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Don't simply jump into the bandwagon because it's on the up course. laugh.gif

Well, the horse still got some fuel to move forward according to FSM article.

QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 10 2013, 11:56 AM)
I am interested in thailand though for longer term...
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If you bought an ASEAN fund, that will be covered but Thailand is not a star country and there's no Thailand single country fund.

I noticed there're Singapore and Indonesian single country fund.


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 12:08 PM)
Hi there,

Take a look at my portfolio
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3314350

That was last month's position, some changes were made since then but not really that significant. wink.gif
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aiya i too slow ledi, already bought goldenlife today fund. Wait i breakeven then follow your portfolio.

Amdynamic performance good meh? smile.gif
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aiya i too slow ledi, already bought goldenlife today fund. Wait i breakeven then follow your portfolio.

Amdynamic performance good meh? smile.gif
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AmDynamic Bond is the best local performing bond and it's closed.
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Pink, is Hwang Global Financial Institutions Fund available at FSM? Couldn't such that fund. Or is it only limited time subscription?
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I bought thru EON/HLB, it's one of my 1st UTs. Basically I started in UTs with HwangIM, my 1st love lol wub.gif

It's a 5-year close-ended fund, due to be closed coming August 2013. Back then in 2008 global financials kena selldown badly, it was an oppportune time to buy into financials.

QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 10 2013, 02:14 PM)
aiya i too slow ledi, already bought goldenlife today fund. Wait i breakeven then follow your portfolio.

Amdynamic performance good meh? smile.gif
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caveat emptor sweat.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 10 2013, 02:16 PM)
AmDynamic Bond is the best local performing bond and it's closed.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 10 2013, 02:19 PM)
I bought thru EON/HLB, it's one of my 1st UTs. Basically I started in UTs with HwangIM, my 1st love lol wub.gif

It's a 5-year close-ended fund, due to be closed coming August 2013. Back then in 2008 global financials kena selldown badly, it was an oppportune time to buy into financials.
caveat emptor sweat.gif
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PinkSpider bro...

what is caveat emptor ?

btw, i pick funds based on my educational knowledge, only practical (very bad). I'm astonished with geographical and selective exposures...like the one you showed.

I currently have

Kenanga growth (Malaysian equity) 25%
Emerging bond (donno what lai de, asia pacific bond?) 25%
Recently i got goldenlife (i think it's bond based as well, in malaysia) 50%

So......macam ini boleh on? icon_question.gif

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PinkSpider bro...

what is caveat emptor ?

btw, i pick funds based on my educational knowledge, only practical (very bad). I'm astonished with geographical and selective exposures...like the one you showed.

I currently have

Kenanga growth (Malaysian equity) 25%
Emerging bond (donno what lai de, asia pacific bond?) 25%
Recently i got goldenlife (i think it's bond based as well, in malaysia) 50%

So......macam ini boleh on? icon_question.gif
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U no study Economics at school? hmm.gif caveat emptor is Latin for "buyer beware", means I'm not responsible for any losses u might incur laugh.gif

I basically learn the Recommended Portfolios of FSM, then improvise a bit to suit my taste.

As for geographical allocation, I'm roughly mirrowing that of Alliance Global Equities Fund which feeds into Singapore-managed Fullerton Global Equities - 1/3 in G5 (US, UK, Germany, France, Japan) and 2/3 in Asia Ex-Japan. My target allocation is 30% in Developed Markets and 70% in Asia Ex-Japan + Emerging Markets.

Senang je, it's just like music, listen to the Masters, then create your own music. icon_idea.gif

Add: GoldenLife is a balanced fund...equities+bonds.

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Sifus, any ideas about HWANG PRS GROWTH FUND??
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Still too new to comment on it

Add: Ooh it feeds into Hwang Select Asia Ex-Japan Opportunity, Hwang Select Opportunity and Hwang Select Bond, at 0% SALES CHARGE! HIGHLY RECOMMENDED then thumbup.gif

But u must make sure that the money invested are for retirement, i.e. u won't need to premature withdraw. 8% tax penalty yo sweat.gif

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Sifus, any ideas about HWANG PRS GROWTH FUND??
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One of the Good performing PRS fund. Not bad at all.

The best so far I have seen is the CIMB Asia ex-Japan PRS.

Pls note that the above has not take into account the effect of sales charge.

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AmDynamic Bond is the best local performing bond and it's closed.
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...till recently where the bond market starts slow down. Lol.
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PRS fund allows withdrawal at 8% tax penalty each.
Normal fund provides flexibility than PRS due to the charges.. no?
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denon91 I edited my post smile.gif
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HWANG ASIA QUANTUM FUND

return v high, plan to throw all my money in.

all toufus pls advice
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HWANG ASIA QUANTUM FUND

return v high, plan to throw all my money in.

all toufus pls advice
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U do know what they say about over-confidence & pride right?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 10 2013, 09:15 PM)
throw (gambling)
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U do know what they say about over-confidence & pride right?
"Sure win" was the thing about US properties too until...  brows.gif
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anyone invest in this new fund HWANG SGD INCOME FUND (MYR) ?

their sector allocation seem good (more than 50% bond) and YTD2.4

plan to buy some next month =)
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 10 2013, 09:15 PM)
throw (gambling)
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$?

U do know what they say about over-confidence & pride right?
"Sure win" was the thing about US properties too until...  brows.gif
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about 100k
ahhhhhh im scared liao, but the return for 10 years is more than 100%, everyvyear also make money
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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Mar 10 2013, 10:38 PM)
about 100k
ahhhhhh im scared liao, but the return for 10 years is more than 100%, everyvyear also make money
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u see them every year make money is history already.. doesnt mean tis year they will perform same, better or worst. It is still a high risk fund. u wan sai lang we also cannot how haha.. but don put all eggs in 1 basket, so not so risky, return maybe lower but when loss, u dont lose everything biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Mar 10 2013, 11:38 PM)
about 100k
ahhhhhh im scared liao, but the return for 10 years is more than 100%, everyvyear also make money
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You sure Hwang AQ already more than 10yrs?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 10 2013, 10:41 PM)
u see them every year make money is history already.. doesnt mean tis year they will perform same, better or worst. It is still a high risk fund. u wan sai lang we also cannot how haha.. but don put all eggs in 1 basket, so not so risky, return maybe lower but when loss, u dont lose everything biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 10 2013, 10:42 PM)
You sure Hwang AQ already more than 10yrs?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 10 2013, 09:15 PM)
throw (gambling)
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$?

U do know what they say about over-confidence & pride right?
"Sure win" was the thing about US properties too until...  brows.gif
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+1

Got a feeling he just want to ride along the uptrend wave. But you never know when is it going to fall, bro.
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To Wong, Kaka, Pink,

I know you guys probably get to a lot, but just asking because normally when you all discuss fund all I hear are names sweat.gif

As you all already probably know, I'm bought in AQ end of last year and thinking of finding a equity fund to is expose to global equity (US, Europe etc) since AQ is already expose to Asia ex Japan.

What would you guys recommend? Thanks smile.gif
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Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
Alliance Global Equities
OSK UOB Global Equity Yield
Pacific Global Stars

All 4 are decent smile.gif
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Read the prospectus, see the fact sheets.
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Ahh, yes. Pacific Global Stars (PGS)

Had my eyes on PGS and OSK UOB Global Equity Yield, I favour more towards PGS due to his holdings in consumer product (including tobacco). Sadly I think they sold off their shares in some of the tobacco company I believe.

I noticed something which I can't seem to explain too. Back in 2011, AQ yields a 6% returns while PGS perfomance drops around 12%. Anyone know what's the story?
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PGS is an opportunist fund. Its composite benchmark is 65% S&P 500, 25% S&P Europe and 10% S&P Asia, but its currently overweight Asia. OUGEY pula has always been overweight US and Europe. Tell u what, even though small caps are generally viewed as "high risk", they often escape the radar of investors. Hence, in a sell-off scenario, blue chip large caps might experience large losses whereas small caps escape unscathed.

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Hi guys,need some inputs here.These are my current funds :
-Hwang Select Bond Fund
-OSK-UOB Asian Income Fund
-OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund
-Hwang Select Opportunity Fund
-OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust
Not yet balance my portfolio yet,as the last two funds still in the process.
And was thinking to add HWANG GLOBAL PROPERTY FUND in the future.
Sifu sifu ,I'm all ears...hehe blush.gif

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Hi guys,

Just purchased my first fund - CIMB-PRINCIPAL ASIA PACIFIC DYNAMIC INCOME FUND with minimum initial investment.

This actually serves as a learning session for me to understand it first hand. Hope I will not be losing too much. Will do more research to have a good portfolio. Do share more about creating a portfolio.

By the way, does FundSupermarket usually recommends the "correct" funds?
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Mar 11 2013, 04:35 PM)
Hi guys,

Just purchased my first fund - CIMB-PRINCIPAL ASIA PACIFIC DYNAMIC INCOME FUND with minimum initial investment.

This actually serves as a learning session for me to understand it first hand. Hope I will not be losing too much. Will do more research to have a good portfolio. Do share more about creating a portfolio.

By the way, does FundSupermarket usually recommends the "correct" funds?
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If FSM gets it right all the time, other distributors like Public Mutual, CIMB Wealth Advisors etc can all close shop already lo tongue.gif

Professionals usually give advice in good faith, but they cannot guarantee that you won't go wrong following their advice. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 11 2013, 04:55 PM)
If FSM gets it right all the time, other distributors like Public Mutual, CIMB Wealth Advisors etc can all close shop already lo tongue.gif

Professionals usually give advice in good faith, but they cannot guarantee that you won't go wrong following their advice. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha, true true.

Finger crossed. Am very new to this. Hopefully I will be able to learn it quickly.
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For those who are interested with Indonesian market:

Indonesia: Still Cheap To Buy?

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1. Despite the lingering worries on the weakening rupiah at this moment, foreign investors’ buying interest seems to be recovering as net inflow of foreign funds have surged since the beginning of this year.
2. Based on Bloomberg consensus estimates, earnings growth for Indonesian equity market is expected to grow stronger than last year, driven by better earnings in infrastructure, utilities, transportation, consumer goods sectors.
3. Earnings for basic industrial, chemical, mining and agriculture sectors should also see strong improvement in this year.
4. Examining the valuations of the JCI and its sub-sectors suggests that most of the sectors are now fairly priced or overvalued, except for the construction, property, real estate sector and agriculture sector.
5. Currently, the JCI trades at price-to-earnings (P/E) ratios of 15.7X and 13.7X based on 2013 and 2014 estimated earnings respectively, which are close to its fair P/E ratio of 15.0X.
6. We urge medium- to long-term investors of the Indonesian equity market to exercise caution as we believe that the downside risk for the Indonesian equity market has risen.
7. Profit taking activities are likely to take place when uncertainties over the developed markets subside and global recovery becomes more solid.
8. We believe that the possibility of higher-than-expected inflation and a weakening of the rupiah could still be threats
9. We maintain a rating of 2.5 stars “Neutral” for the Indonesian equity market.

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3236
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For the benefit of UT newbies and also those who are not very familiar with how UTs work, I've inserted 2 new "FAQ"s on Post #1 cheers.gif
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didnt receive subscription notif , then only i noticed everybody migrate to V2! so fast aldy 16 pages!
today spend few hours planning how the eggs going to different basket rclxub.gif

I still thinking of Hwang Asia Quantum, high risk..but quite stable for the past 10years!
@pinky, how long you hold HAQ, is it satisfactory UT-that u no regret bought it?

I want to keep 25-40% on Bond,
but not sure what is the best choice now, since Amdynamic close aldy..any suggestion?

I gotta utilize the 1% SC for first 30days opening account..so for now i guess i will purchase those UT that normally 2% SC.

btw FSM SG now have no SC at all-permanently drool.gif http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=7967 ...when msia becm like that oso...

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QUOTE(ilineZ @ Mar 12 2013, 01:26 AM)
didnt receive subscription notif , then only i noticed everybody migrate to V2! so fast aldy 16 pages!
today spend few hours planning how the eggs going to different basket  rclxub.gif

I still thinking of Hwang Asia Quantum, high risk..but quite stable for the past 10years!
@pinky, how  long you hold HAQ, is it satisfactory UT-that u no regret bought it?

I want to keep 25-40% on Bond,
but not sure what is the best choice now, since Amdynamic close aldy..any suggestion?

I gotta utilize the 1% SC for first 30days opening account..so for now i guess i will purchase those UT that normally 2% SC.

btw FSM SG now have no SC at all-permanently  drool.gif  http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=7967 ...when msia becm like that oso...
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0% SC is for RSP purchases only tongue.gif
but its a good start by FSM SG anyway rclxms.gif

Hwang AQ I bought just about 6 months ago, but I've been investing in HwangIM funds since 2008, I can vouch for them thumbup.gif

Go "Fund Selector", look for those with higher Sharpe ratio, u will see the likes of OSK-UOB Income, Kenanga Bond etc

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Not sure how long FSM repurchase proceed completes.

I think PM is pretty fast. About 3 working days.

Executed a Repurchase instruction on Thursday before 4pm. Cheque has been banked in to my MBB saving account today.
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I sold some AmDynamic Bond units on last Monday before 3PM. It's on T+4. Friday they bank in cheque/remit by GIRO, yesterday morning money in my bank.
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QUOTE(ilineZ @ Mar 12 2013, 01:26 AM)
didnt receive subscription notif , then only i noticed everybody migrate to V2! so fast aldy 16 pages!
today spend few hours planning how the eggs going to different basket  rclxub.gif

I still thinking of Hwang Asia Quantum, high risk..but quite stable for the past 10years!
@pinky, how  long you hold HAQ, is it satisfactory UT-that u no regret bought it?

I want to keep 25-40% on Bond,
but not sure what is the best choice now, since Amdynamic close aldy..any suggestion?

I gotta utilize the 1% SC for first 30days opening account..so for now i guess i will purchase those UT that normally 2% SC.

btw FSM SG now have no SC at all-permanently  drool.gif  http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=7967 ...when msia becm like that oso...
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I just bought into AQ 3 months ago. I'm satisfy with the performance so far.

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anyone have issue logging in fundsupermart?
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 12 2013, 06:22 PM)
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Let me guess - U loggin in from office? Where yr IT ppl has setup a load balancer?
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FSM's system can't handle it the last i tried - multiple IPs while "keeping the same password token".
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 12 2013, 06:22 PM)
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Let me guess - U loggin in from office? Where yr IT ppl has setup a load balancer?
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FSM's system can't handle it the last i tried - multiple IPs while "keeping the same password token".
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Hwang investments does not accept RSP? How come I see some hwang funds can start as low as RM100
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 12 2013, 11:29 PM)
Hwang investments does not accept RSP? How come I see some hwang funds can start as low as RM100
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http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/commu...pid=0078&page=1
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 12 2013, 06:45 PM)
Let me guess - U loggin in from office? Where yr IT ppl has setup a load balancer?
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FSM's system can't handle it the last i tried - multiple IPs while "keeping the same password token".
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oh kk.. i reload the page try again can edi.. very weird haha.. i access from home tho..
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Unexpectedly this thread is silent whole day today. lol.

What do you guys think about ? Are these funds a good investment? I am considering adding them to my portfolio

1, AMASEAN Equity
2, Aberdeen Islamic Malaysia Equity
3, Aberdeen Islamic Global
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QUOTE(s_kates81 @ Mar 13 2013, 06:10 PM)
Unexpectedly this thread is silent whole day today. lol.

What do you guys think about ? Are these funds a good investment? I am considering adding them to my portfolio

1, AMASEAN Equity
2, Aberdeen Islamic Malaysia Equity
3, Aberdeen Islamic Global
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btw since u said that cheaper NAV doesnt not determine the best time to enter market, what is the consideration to enter market? what r the variables before entering the market?

i really interested to go for aberdeen since the managmnt same like in fsm sg,but wince the risk also high 8 and 9
must just go to aberdeen in sg,proven track for yearss aldy..
QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 12 2013, 07:28 AM)
0% SC is for RSP purchases only tongue.gif
but its a good start by FSM SG anyway rclxms.gif 

Hwang AQ I bought just about 6 months ago, but I've been investing in HwangIM funds since 2008, I can vouch for them thumbup.gif

Go "Fund Selector", look for those with higher Sharpe ratio, u will see the likes of OSK-UOB Income, Kenanga Bond etc
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 13 2013, 05:39 PM)
All Shahriah are flavour?
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Yes. I only do Shariah funds.
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Yes. I only do Shariah funds.
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In term of geographical coverage, it has everything exclude not much coverage in Asia Pacific or Asia Pacific ex Japan but you have ASEAN.

The Aberdeen funds are still new and hard to give any comment on their performance.
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QUOTE(ilineZ @ Mar 13 2013, 07:44 PM)
btw since u said that cheaper NAV doesnt not determine the best time to enter market, what is the consideration to enter market? what r the variables before entering the market?

i really interested to go for aberdeen since the managmnt same like in fsm sg,but wince the risk also high 8 and 9
must just go to aberdeen in sg,proven track for yearss aldy..
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If u are looking at China fund, u buy when Shanghai index and Hang Seng China Enterprises index are low.

US fund? When Dow and S&P 500 are low.

Emerging Markets? When MSCI EM index is low.

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I plan to buy OSK china big cap fund & a little bit of Hwang AQF...is it the right timing to go into it since Hang Seng Index and shang hai index drop quite alot...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 13 2013, 08:28 PM)
If u are looking at China fund, u buy when Shanghai index and Hang Seng China Enterprises index are low.

US fund? When Dow and S&P 500 are low.

Emerging Markets? When MSCI EM index is low.
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ShangHai 3 years low P/E 12.xx

Dow all time high P/E 14.xx laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 13 2013, 09:53 PM)
ShangHai 3 years low P/E 12.xx

Dow all time high P/E 14.xx laugh.gif
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Shanghai going down, Dow creeping higher, but when Dow falls, Shanghai also "follow sentiment" and falls tongue.gif
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yeah tomorrow can get RSP edi.. then i terminate it then i can top up those funds anytime haha.. only can top up at 15th is too long.. cannot tahan, money come in end of month, at 15th oledi use half liao lol..

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 14 2013, 08:52 AM)
Shanghai going down, Dow creeping higher, but when Dow falls, Shanghai also "follow sentiment" and falls tongue.gif
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Short term investor probably cannot stand the volatility of shanghai market. But over the next 3 or 5 years, should be able to perform. Otherwise, we will see shanghai labelled as 6-8years low. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 14 2013, 10:37 AM)
yeah tomorrow can get RSP edi.. then i terminate it then i can top up those funds anytime haha.. only can top up at 15th is too long.. cannot tahan, money come in end of month, at 15th oledi use half liao lol..
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Don't terminate too soon...later their Internal Audit/System spot it...terminate only after 1-2 weeks ph34r.gif

QUOTE(mois @ Mar 14 2013, 10:40 AM)
Short term investor probably cannot stand the volatility of shanghai market. But over the next 3 or 5 years, should be able to perform. Otherwise, we will see shanghai labelled as 6-8years low.  laugh.gif
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So long as its going sideways, good to slowly buy in bits by bits thumbup.gif

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Guys, an interesting observation of Shanghai index... icon_idea.gif

Imminent breakout? brows.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 14 2013, 12:11 PM)
Guys, an interesting observation of Shanghai index... icon_idea.gif

Imminent breakout? brows.gif
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Today xi jin ping officially announced as president.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 14 2013, 11:15 AM)
Don't terminate too soon...later their Internal Audit/System spot it...terminate only after 1-2 weeks ph34r.gif
ok ok biggrin.gif slowly terminate 1 by 1 haha.. i only terminate if i feel like i wan add extra money to that particular fund tho..

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QUOTE(mois @ Mar 14 2013, 12:48 PM)
Took me a while to google cup & handle definition. Hopefully it is time to fly.  flex.gif
Today xi jin ping officially announced as president.
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Hwang Select Bond Fund | RM 0.005 per unit | 26-Mar-2013
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Hwang AIIMAN Income Plus | RM 0.005 per unit | 26-Mar-201
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Wanna top up my global equities, OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield and Pacific Global Stars...but OUGEY still closed doh.gif

PGS underperformed for past 1-month and 3-months period against peers, its Sharpe ratio dropped below that of Eastspring Investments Global Leaders, maybe bcos PGS is cash-heavy and overweight Asia Ex-Japan compared to US-heavy EIGS hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 12 2013, 07:28 AM)
Hwang AQ I bought just about 6 months ago, but I've been investing in HwangIM funds since 2008, I can vouch for them thumbup.gif
hwang IM is which one ya?Hwang Select Income Fund/ Hwang Global Financial Institutions Fund?

mmm..
so means if i looking into Msia equity, then i should see KLCI index = must be low = now ?? isnt it low enough? sweat.gif
GE concern, i kinda believe it will not bring any harm to economy, shouldnt be over-worried..

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HwangIM = Hwang Investment Management company doh.gif

Today top up...

RM100 EI Global Emerging Markets
RM120 OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield
RM100 Pacific Global Stars

Now my portfolio cun-cun 33% equity funds rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 15 2013, 12:14 PM)
HwangIM = Hwang Investment Management company doh.gif

Today top up...

RM100 EI Global Emerging Markets
RM120 OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield
RM100 Pacific Global Stars

Now my portfolio cun-cun 33% equity funds rclxms.gif
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What else 67%??? Can not be all bond fund, right?
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What else 67%??? Can not be all bond fund, right?
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What else 67%??? Can not be all bond fund, right?
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He has a high weightage in bonds.
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25% Malaysian equities
Bond 50:50 Equity

In order to achieve 50:50, I need to overweight bonds in my UT portfolio, thus 66% in bonds (66% x 75% = 50%) wink.gif

But I've just deployed about half of my allocation for Malaysian equities, the other half wait for pre/post-GE kaboom flex.gif

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Hi all sifu here,

I'm planning to start my fund investment soon in fundsupermart and has been study which one to buy recently, I'm planning to buy the following

OSK-UOB emerging markets bond fund
OSK-UOB kidsave trust
Kenanga Growth fund
AMB Dividend trust fund
RHB islamic bond fund (plan to buy this since now cnt buy Amdynamic d)

Currently I try to invest in more conservative method first while study more about other funds... Pls give me any opinion on this ^^ Anything that I miss out??
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QUOTE(edwardSL @ Mar 16 2013, 07:58 AM)
Hi all sifu here,

I'm planning to start my fund investment soon in fundsupermart and has been study which one to buy recently, I'm planning to buy the following

OSK-UOB emerging markets bond fund
OSK-UOB kidsave trust
Kenanga Growth fund
AMB Dividend trust fund
RHB islamic bond fund (plan to buy this since now cnt buy Amdynamic d)

Currently I try to invest in more conservative method first while study more about other funds... Pls give me any opinion on this ^^ Anything that I miss out??
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Just my opinion la ha...

If u study FSM Malaysia and FSM Singapore Recommended Portfolio, did u not notice that there isn't a single mixed assets/balanced fund?

If u can afford to build a portfolio, u have no need for a balanced fund, because YOU yourself can do the "balancing" on your own, at cheaper cost.

Balanced fund fits those who cannot afford the time and/or capital to maintain a portfolio.

And the equity portion of your portfolio is quite Malaysia-heavy (KGF is 100% Malaysia, ADTF is 70% Malaysia), and u got 0% exposure to US and Europe.

Just my 1 sen worth of comment icon_rolleyes.gif

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Now is a good time for US and Europe market??

Maybe I will search for a good Asia Ex Japan fund to invest as I heard there is a good market for this region =)

I'm trying to make time to study how funds work, still not quite sure what to look at except for the funds rating, history, volatility and sharpe ratio... that's all i know for now ^^
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QUOTE(edwardSL @ Mar 16 2013, 12:18 PM)
Now is a good time for US and Europe market??

Maybe I will search for a good Asia Ex Japan fund to invest as I heard there is a good market for this region =)

I'm trying to make time to study how funds work, still not quite sure what to look at except for the funds rating, history, volatility and sharpe ratio... that's all i know for now ^^
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I'll recommend Asia Pacific ex Japan first and also ASEAN region.
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QUOTE(edwardSL @ Mar 16 2013, 12:18 PM)
Now is a good time for US and Europe market??

Maybe I will search for a good Asia Ex Japan fund to invest as I heard there is a good market for this region =)

I'm trying to make time to study how funds work, still not quite sure what to look at except for the funds rating, history, volatility and sharpe ratio... that's all i know for now ^^
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Those are all historical measures, backward-looking measures. You should also look at forward-looking data like growth potential of the various regions/markets.

US and Europe may look expensive relative to Asian and Emerging Markets, but u must not leave them out totally.

Malaysia is an Asian market, but Malaysians wear adidas shirts, drive Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen cars, buy Michelin tyres, Prada and Gucci, right? And those brands are listed in US/Europe. icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 16 2013, 12:20 PM)
I'll recommend Asia Pacific ex Japan first and also ASEAN region.
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If u don't wanna have a too complicated portfolio to start with, u can just pick a good global fund and let the Fund Manager do the asset/region allocation for you.

Pacific Global Stars is one u can consider.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 16 2013, 12:23 PM)
Those are all historical measures, backward-looking measures. You should also look at forward-looking data like growth potential of the various regions/markets.

US and Europe may look expensive relative to Asian and Emerging Markets, but u must not leave them out totally.

Malaysia is an Asian market, but Malaysians wear adidas shirts, drive Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen cars, buy Michelin tyres, Prada and Gucci, right? And those brands are listed in US/Europe. icon_idea.gif
nod.gif

If u don't wanna have a too complicated portfolio to start with, u can just pick a good global fund and let the Fund Manager do the asset/region allocation for you.

Pacific Global Stars is one u can consider.
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You have a point but personally, I think that global fund is too diverse.

Morevoer, Asia Pacific ex Japan is highly weighted as compared to other regions.

Europe needs more time to rebounce.

US hits all time high and I guess correction is on its way.
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Any good Asia EX japan recommend guys?? =)
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Hwang Asia Quantum? Eastspring Investment Asia Pacific MY fund ? biggrin.gif
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Hwang Asia Quantum? Eastspring Investment Asia Pacific MY fund ? biggrin.gif
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I see that Hwang Asia Quantum really perform well~ gonna try it ^^

I'm wondering is there any "good" timing for buying funds?? As the GE is coming...
So should I wait??

I'm not expert in this, but i think fund should be well diverse and won't differ much before/after GE???
Am I correct??
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I see that Hwang Asia Quantum really perform well~ gonna try it ^^

I'm wondering is there any "good" timing for buying funds?? As the GE is coming...
So should I wait??

I'm not expert in this, but i think fund should be well diverse and won't differ much before/after GE???
Am I correct??
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GE won't affect much offshore funds like Hwang AQF or EI AP.
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AQF holds nearly 30% MY equities, but perhaps they focus mid cap market so maybe GE no big effect. I believe mostly big GLC companies will get affected.
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Any opinion on OSKUOB Equity Trust?
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Calling wongmunkeong and other investors who have invested EPF money in UTs...

The 1st time u withdraw, do u withdraw 100%, or did u divide into portions?

E.g. excess savings in A/C 1 is RM50,000, thus amount that can be withdrawn is RM50,000 x 20% = RM10,000. Do you take out the whole RM10,000 and pump into UT at one go, or do u take out a certain portion only? unsure.gif

Let's say 1st withdrawal take RM10,000...
3 months later, can withdraw another (RM50,000 - RM10,000) x 20% = RM8,000 (assuming zero contribution just to make the illustration simple tongue.gif )
Then another 3 months later, can withdraw (RM50,000 - RM10,000 - RM8,000) x 20% = RM6,400

If 1st withdrawal take only half, can “smooth" the withdrawal amounts...

E.g. 1st take 5K,
Then 2nd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K) x 20% = RM9K but only take 5K again
3rd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K - RM5K) x 20% = RM8K but only take 5K again

Too used to small top ups with my cash investments, now ask me take so much to invest at one shot I feel sweat.gif

But I've no problem clicking "buy" when I buy Ping Pong crackers share with close to RM3K laugh.gif doh.gif

Add: I see EPF already has holdings in most of the KLSE big counters...shall I go for small cap fund like OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust, or a non-restrictive fund like Hwang Select Opportunity Fund? hmm.gif

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Any opinion on OSKUOB Equity Trust?
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Kaka u always like to ask such open-ended question...how u expect ppl to answer u? shakehead.gif

- Malaysia-focus
- Up to 50% in Asia Ex-Japan
- Won prizes before

What else can I say? doh.gif
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Kaka u always like to ask such open-ended question...how u expect ppl to answer u? shakehead.gif

- Malaysia-focus
- Up to 50% in Asia Ex-Japan
- Won prizes before

What else can I say? doh.gif
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haha... very sorry bro! suddenly i check this fund performance not bad wor, then just ask lo, mana tau got many people pegang it or not. Interested in a fund with holdings on Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia..
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 17 2013, 05:11 PM)
haha... very sorry bro! suddenly i check this fund performance not bad wor, then just ask lo, mana tau got many people pegang it or not. Interested in a fund with holdings on Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia..
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If u stayed away from Hwang SOF because of its 30% limit on foreign investments (EPF restriction lo), OUET might suit u cos its limit is higher, 50%. It might be a good combo with Hwang AQF, and its past performance and volatility quite similar to Hwang SOF's.
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Kaka u got EPF investments in UTs? Can comment on my question?
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Kaka u got EPF investments in UTs? Can comment on my question?
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Pink.. I have not tried EPF investment in FSM. But I got 2 EPF investment in PM, but I only took out 1 time for the initial investment. Didnt proceed to take out every 3 months. This is also due to that time i discovered FSM and didnt want to top up in PM already.

My withdrawal is the 2nd option that you mentioned. I didnt take out full (you know la, if u back calculate, my agent will know how much I have in my account 1). So I just gave him an amount to proceed, say RM5K or RM3K.

In future, when i go into EPF investment in EPF.. I guess I will not take out full as well. Maybe RM3K/withdrawal (so already got RM12K/yr for EPF investment).
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 17 2013, 05:36 PM)
Pink.. I have not tried EPF investment in FSM. But I got 2 EPF investment in PM, but I only took out 1 time for the initial investment. Didnt proceed to take out every 3 months. This is also due to that time i discovered FSM and didnt want to top up in PM already.

My withdrawal is the 2nd option that you mentioned. I didnt take out full (you know la, if u back calculate, my agent will know how much I have in my account 1). So I just gave him an amount to proceed, say RM5K or RM3K.

In future, when i go into EPF investment in EPF.. I guess I will not take out full as well. Maybe RM3K/withdrawal (so already got RM12K/yr for EPF investment).
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I laugh.gif -ed at that

I wonder if your PM agent is a hot chick will u do differently brows.gif

Ya la, 1 shot pump in, if timing tak cantik bought in at market top, sakit yo sweat.gif
Now pondering to withdraw 1/2 of eligible amount or even smaller, 1/3 every 3 months, dollar cost average the entry hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 17 2013, 04:48 PM)
Calling wongmunkeong and other investors who have invested EPF money in UTs...

The 1st time u withdraw, do u withdraw 100%, or did u divide into portions?

E.g. excess savings in A/C 1 is RM50,000, thus amount that can be withdrawn is RM50,000 x 20% = RM10,000. Do you take out the whole RM10,000 and pump into UT at one go, or do u take out a certain portion only? unsure.gif

Let's say 1st withdrawal take RM10,000...
3 months later, can withdraw another (RM50,000 - RM10,000) x 20% = RM8,000 (assuming zero contribution just to make the illustration simple tongue.gif )
Then another 3 months later, can withdraw (RM50,000 - RM10,000 - RM8,000) x 20% = RM6,400

If 1st withdrawal take only half, can “smooth" the withdrawal amounts...

E.g. 1st take 5K,
Then 2nd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K) x 20% = RM9K but only take 5K again
3rd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K - RM5K) x 20% = RM8K but only take 5K again

Too used to small top ups with my cash investments, now ask me take so much to invest at one shot I feel sweat.gif

But I've no problem clicking "buy" when I buy Ping Pong crackers share with close to RM3K laugh.gif doh.gif

Add: I see EPF already has holdings in most of the KLSE big counters...shall I go for small cap fund like OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust, or a non-restrictive fund like Hwang Select Opportunity Fund? hmm.gif
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Heheh - virgin EPF takeout eh Pink? tongue.gif

Good Q - planning ahead for a "consistency" & planned injection into Equities, especially if via VCA & DCA.
Ok here's how i do it:
1. Simulate in Excel, for the next 5 years, what is the total "take out". Throw into the cooking, your 11% + 12%, and remember A/C1 = 70% of those injections.
Then divide the years by quarters, let's assume $10K average/qtr

2. Execution = 2 steps process:
a. Use $10K for calculating your VCA or just do $10K DCA into yr equity fund(s).
b. IF more than $10K can be taken out (especially the first few initial times), then put the difference into a related fund's bond fund as dry powder.
When later, your takeout from EPF A/C1 is less than $10K, U can use this dry powder to top up

One of the many methods.
Just a thought notworthy.gif

Side note - U can do as per your thoughts.
However if U suddenly want to access the amount "U didnt take out", U can't due to the calculations based on % left in your (A/C1 minus x) * xx%.

Side note 2:
If U can take out $8K or more initially - U may want to consider self-directed KLSE shares brows.gif
Can do CIMBC25, CIMBA40, etc. (foreign heavy)

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 17 2013, 06:02 PM)
b. IF more than $10K can be taken out (especially the first few initial times), then put the difference into a related fund's bond fund as dry powder.
When later, your takeout from EPF A/C1 is less than $10K, U can use this dry powder to top up
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At FSM, currently only HwangIM and OSK-UOB got equity funds that can invest up to 30% in foreign assets. HwangIM and OSK-OUB got no EPF-approved bond fund to pakai your method doh.gif

I guess I'll just DCA every quarterly.

Now the next headache, go 100% into Hwang SOF (unrestricted mandate), 50% Hwang SOF + 50% OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust (small cap), or 100% OUEOUT bruce.gif brows.gif sweat.gif
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QUOTE(edwardSL @ Mar 16 2013, 03:32 PM)
Any good Asia EX japan recommend guys?? =)
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i want to ask same question sifuss here......
any recomended asia ex-japan?

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i want to ask same question sifuss here......
any recomended asia ex-japan?
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And my siggy got such a useful resource u dunno use grumble.gif

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My portfolio at FSM MY 7788 liao.. just top up by value+dollar averaging.

Going to open UT acc at SG for other funds blush.gif

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My portfolio at FSM MY 7788 liao.. just top up by value+dollar averaging.

Going to open UT acc at SG for other funds  blush.gif
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MYR 7788 represents what? Cost? Or valuation?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 17 2013, 10:27 PM)
My portfolio at FSM MY 7788 liao.. just top up by value+dollar averaging.

Going to open UT acc at SG for other funds  blush.gif
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you stay near jb? or work in sg? interesting to open fsm sg account though
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I stay at JB, commute daily to SG to work. doh.gif

FSM SG has additional platform fee charge every quarter though.
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I stay at JB, commute daily to SG to work.  doh.gif

FSM SG has additional platform fee charge every quarter though.
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I stay at JB, commute daily to SG to work.  doh.gif

FSM SG has additional platform fee charge every quarter though.
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so it means on top of the 2% charges we oso nd to pay aditional fees every quarter?
how much is that cost?
im thinking of open RSP, but hvnt do futher research bout it.


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Their charges different from MY.

http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=3992

P.S Didnt know MY got platform fee also. Tehee.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 17 2013, 04:48 PM)
Calling wongmunkeong and other investors who have invested EPF money in UTs...

The 1st time u withdraw, do u withdraw 100%, or did u divide into portions?

E.g. excess savings in A/C 1 is RM50,000, thus amount that can be withdrawn is RM50,000 x 20% = RM10,000. Do you take out the whole RM10,000 and pump into UT at one go, or do u take out a certain portion only? unsure.gif

Let's say 1st withdrawal take RM10,000...
3 months later, can withdraw another (RM50,000 - RM10,000) x 20% = RM8,000 (assuming zero contribution just to make the illustration simple tongue.gif )
Then another 3 months later, can withdraw (RM50,000 - RM10,000 - RM8,000) x 20% = RM6,400

If 1st withdrawal take only half, can “smooth" the withdrawal amounts...

E.g. 1st take 5K,
Then 2nd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K) x 20% = RM9K but only take 5K again
3rd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K - RM5K) x 20% = RM8K but only take 5K again

Too used to small top ups with my cash investments, now ask me take so much to invest at one shot I feel sweat.gif

But I've no problem clicking "buy" when I buy Ping Pong crackers share with close to RM3K laugh.gif doh.gif

Add: I see EPF already has holdings in most of the KLSE big counters...shall I go for small cap fund like OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust, or a non-restrictive fund like Hwang Select Opportunity Fund? hmm.gif
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Pinky, EPF withdrawal calculation methodis like this;

(ACCOUNT 1 - BASIC SAVINGS) x 20%

The basic savings amount is according to ur age. It is fixed and cant be changed. So, if u have 50K, and i assume u 28y.o ;

(50k - 14k) x 20%
36k x 20%
7.2k

Only 7.2k can be withdraw in this first cycle and use it to invest. Next cycle, same calculation but depends on ur account 1 balance and your age.

For investment strategy and method, i withdraw everytime that i can withhdraw. My main objective is to gain higher profit per year compared to EPF. as for long term and mindset that we cant touch the account 1, i set my target to 10%. It is u and urself only to think how to get that double digit. hehehe.

With EPF money, it is easy to apply DCA. It works but not helping much. Changing formation always the best method.

As MK said, our investment miles may vary. wink.gif
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QUOTE(hafiez @ Mar 18 2013, 09:02 AM)
Pinky, EPF withdrawal calculation methodis like this;

(ACCOUNT 1 - BASIC SAVINGS) x 20%

The basic savings amount is according to ur age. It is fixed and cant be changed. So, if u have 50K, and i assume u 28y.o ;

(50k - 14k) x 20%
36k x 20%
7.2k

Only 7.2k can be withdraw in this first cycle and use it to invest. Next cycle, same calculation but depends on ur account 1 balance and your age.

For investment strategy and method, i withdraw everytime that i can withhdraw. My main objective is to gain higher profit per year compared to EPF. as for long term and mindset that we cant touch the account 1, i set my target to 10%. It is u and urself only to think how to get that double digit. hehehe.

With EPF money, it is easy to apply DCA. It works but not helping much. Changing formation always the best method.

As MK said, our investment miles may vary. wink.gif
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I know, u do constant switching in and out of equities tongue.gif

I plan to go all out on equities with my A/C 1 excess, not gonna go for bond/balanced, defeats the purpose of EPF withdrawal if getting returns of lesser than/matching EPF doh.gif
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 17 2013, 11:31 PM)
Their charges different from MY.

http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=3992

P.S Didnt know MY got platform fee also. Tehee.
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er.. MY has platform fees?
argh.. i gotta go poke Customer Service liao for clarifications
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What is the typical IRR for entire portfolio that one can get?

I just calculated my IRR using Pink's excel sheet and it is 9.7% after 9 years of investing with my EPF money. Sure beat EPF 5%-6% but could have been much higher if I did thing correctly instead of randomly switched funds here and there over the years.
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er.. MY has platform fees?
argh.. i gotta go poke Customer Service liao for clarifications
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That day at FSM Silver & Gold investors appreciation dinner, we did pop this question to AMB CEO:

"Aside from Sales Charges, what are the other (if any) income for FSM? Surely they cannot survive on Sales Charges alone, esp considering that there are also a lot of zero Sale Charge funds being sold..."

Answer: Fund Houses typically have arrangement with IUTAs (Institutional Unit Trust Adviser) like FSM whereby the IUTAs will take a share of the annual management fee being charged

QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 18 2013, 01:32 PM)
What is the typical IRR for entire portfolio that one can get?

I just calculated my IRR using Pink's excel sheet and it is 9.7% after 9 years of investing with my EPF money. Sure beat EPF 5%-6% but could have been much higher if I did thing correctly instead of randomly switched funds here and there over the years.
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How's your portfolio breakdown like? i.e. how much % in bonds and how much % in equities

Mine is 6.3% currently, started investing in 2008. I'd say my IRR was dragged down by mistakes in 2010 (overly aggressive in equity funds and exited at/near the bottom), and I'm quite overweight bonds.

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That day at FSM Silver & Gold investors appreciation dinner, we did pop this question to AMB CEO:

"Aside from Sales Charges, what are the other (if any) income for FSM? Surely they cannot survive on Sales Charges alone, esp considering that there are also a lot of zero Sale Charge funds being sold..."

Answer: Fund Houses typically have arrangement with IUTAs (Institutional Unit Trust Adviser) like FSM whereby the IUTAs will take a share of the annual management fee being charged
How's your portfolio breakdown like? i.e. how much % in bonds and how much % in equities

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Tu normal lar, cam trailer fees / career benefits for PM's & other fund houses' agents - comes from the mgt fees already stated

However, IF ada platform fees charge to investors of FSM MY - that's additional cost directly impacting investors wor  cry.gif
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No separate platform fee is chargeable to investors, I've been with FSM since 2010, confirm yilek/tarak/bo icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 18 2013, 04:41 PM)
No separate platform fee is chargeable to investors, I've been with FSM since 2010, confirm yilek/tarak/bo icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 18 2013, 01:38 PM)
How's your portfolio breakdown like? i.e. how much % in bonds and how much % in equities

Mine is 6.3% currently, started investing in 2008. I'd say my IRR was dragged down by mistakes in 2010 (overly aggressive in equity funds and exited at/near the bottom), and I'm quite overweight bonds.
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I did not understand the concept of portfolio in the past and how you manage UT investement. I have 100% in equity. The only time I made lots of profit is in 2008/9 when I switched most of my money to MM and switch back to equity when market starts to go back up. They stays 100% in equity until today. Now understanding the portfolio thing, I'm starting to move some to fixed income fund but managed to move only 15% before market taking a dip recently.
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I did not understand the concept of portfolio in the past and how you manage UT investement. I have 100% in equity. The only time I made lots of profit is in 2008/9 when I switched most of my money to MM and switch back to equity when market starts to go back up. They stays 100% in equity until today. Now understanding the portfolio thing, I'm starting to move some to fixed income fund but managed to move only 15% before market taking a dip recently.
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Wow...master market timer notworthy.gif

The thing about portfolio approach to UT investing is that u need not actively manage your investments, can just leave it on auto-pilot with periodic review and rebalancing. Of course, such approach will not likely beat the returns that u have achieved by timing equity markets.

Different cup of tea for different risk appetite. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 19 2013, 08:58 AM)
Wow...master market timer notworthy.gif

The thing about portfolio approach to UT investing is that u need not actively manage your investments, can just leave it on auto-pilot with periodic review and rebalancing. Of course, such approach will not likely beat the returns that u have achieved by timing equity markets.

Different cup of tea for different risk appetite. wink.gif
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That was purely luck. My original consultant did not service me, so I approach another consultant that is making monthly visit to our company. She told me my profit already went down by 20% and I should switch to fixed income immediately. I was shocked and quickly signed switching forms. I'm more into stock and did not really pay attention to my UT. Only recently after signed up with FSM and learning from this forum that I'm giving it more attention. Can I expect to increase my IRR in future? May be not since my new portfolio would be 30% in fixed income and limited choice of funds available for EPF investment. Maybe when there is another market crash.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 19 2013, 09:41 AM)
That was purely luck. My original consultant did not service me, so I approach another consultant that is making monthly visit to our company. She told me my profit already went down by 20% and I should switch to fixed income immediately. I was shocked and quickly signed switching forms. I'm more into stock and did not really pay attention to my UT. Only recently after signed up with FSM and learning from this forum that I'm giving it more attention. Can I expect to increase my IRR in future? May be not since my new portfolio would be 30% in fixed income and limited choice of funds available for EPF investment. Maybe when there is another market crash.. hmm.gif
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no need to wait market crash.

if u want to fix the loss, it would take some times and patience.

UT mah..
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QUOTE(hafiez @ Mar 19 2013, 10:47 AM)
no need to wait market crash.

if u want to fix the loss, it would take some times and patience.

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 19 2013, 09:41 AM)
That was purely luck. My original consultant did not service me, so I approach another consultant that is making monthly visit to our company. She told me my profit already went down by 20% and I should switch to fixed income immediately. I was shocked and quickly signed switching forms. I'm more into stock and did not really pay attention to my UT. Only recently after signed up with FSM and learning from this forum that I'm giving it more attention. Can I expect to increase my IRR in future? May be not since my new portfolio would be 30% in fixed income and limited choice of funds available for EPF investment. Maybe when there is another market crash.. hmm.gif
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Hehe.. so silent today.

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got a question on FSM.

if 1 day, FSM decides to close shop, will the users be affected? or will the UT stay tied to the user's name? thus can trade the UT at other institutions?

silly question right sweat.gif
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4 days of gains wiped out in 18th March sweat.gif
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It's OK. It probably will recover in the next couple weeks but right now things are looking down and this is an opportunity to top up. I'm going to use my referral token to buy additional funds. I'm looking at Alliance Global Equity Fund and CIMB Global Titans Fund. Any comment about those funds?
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 20 2013, 07:57 AM)
It's OK. It probably will recover in the next couple weeks but right now things are looking down and this is an opportunity to top up. I'm going to use my referral token to buy additional funds. I'm looking at Alliance Global Equity Fund and CIMB Global Titans Fund. Any comment about those funds?
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Alliance GEF = very diversified, 64% Asia Ex-Japan, 36% G5 (US, UK, Germany, France, Japan). The Target Fund (Fullerton Global Equities) remain invested at all times, thus little downside protection, but when the market rallies, the fund rallies
CIMB Titans = Focused on US, Europe and Japan, virtually zero exposure to Asia Ex-Japan

My portfolio % on US and Europe is still short, but the ones got hit hard by the selldown were Asia Ex-Japan and GEMs, how to top up doh.gif laugh.gif

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got a question on FSM.

if 1 day, FSM decides to close shop, will the users be affected? or will the UT stay tied to the user's name? thus can trade the UT at other institutions?

silly question right sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2013, 08:13 AM)
Alliance GEF = very diversified, 64% Asia Ex-Japan, 36% G5 (US, UK, Germany, France, Japan)
CIMB Titans = Focused on US, Europe and Japan, virtually zero exposure to Asia Ex-Japan

My portfolio % on US and Europe is still short, but the ones got hit hard by the selldown were Asia Ex-Japan and GEMs, how to top up doh.gif  laugh.gif
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You top up whatever funds got hit, I'll buy those two since I don't have them yet biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 20 2013, 08:18 AM)
You top up whatever funds got hit, I'll buy those two since I don't have them yet  biggrin.gif
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What makes u choose them? Let's discuss and share...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2013, 01:50 PM)
FSM global funds:
Eastspring Investments Global Leaders
OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield
Pacific Global Stars
Alliance Global Equities
CIMB-Principal Global Titans

Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
AmOasis Global Islamic Equity

What makes u choose them? Let's discuss and share...
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I'm looking at the 3-yr Volatility and Sharpe ratio. They are about the same on volatility but sharpe ratio signifcantly higher. Not sure if the numbers are correct but here what I got from FSM

OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield - 10.99 - 0.17
Pacific Global Stars - 9.66 - 0.11
Alliance Global Equities - 10.87 - 0.47
CIMB-Principal Global Titans - 11.57 - 0.24


Also FSM has switched half of their global fund from PGS to Global Titans for their recommended balanced portfolio.

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I'm looking at the 3-yr Volatility and Sharpe ratio. They are about the same on volatility but sharpe ratio signifcantly higher. Not sure if the numbers are correct but here what I got from FSM

OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield - 10.99 - 0.17
Pacific Global Stars - 9.66 - 0.11
Alliance Global Equities - 10.87 - 0.47
CIMB-Principal Global Titans - 11.57 - 0.24


Also FSM has switched half of their global fund from PGS to Global Titans for their recommended balanced portfolio.
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The numbers have changed significantly from the past few months due to the strong rally in US and Europe. Pacific GSF used to be 2nd highest after Alliance GEF, 3rd was OUGEY followed by CIMB-Principal GT.

When downturn, Alliance GE would be the one hit hardest due to its investing style which remain invested most of the times, it has the worst "Preservation" Lipper rating amongst the four.
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Asia Pacific ex Japan funds dropped considerably in last few days. Any specific reason for that?
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Asia Pacific ex Japan funds dropped considerably in last few days. Any specific reason for that?
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Cyprus problem.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2013, 05:01 PM)
I knew it tongue.gif

The numbers have changed significantly from the past few months due to the strong rally in US and Europe. Pacific GSF used to be 2nd highest after Alliance GEF, 3rd was OUGEY followed by CIMB-Principal GT.

When downturn, Alliance GE would be the one hit hardest due to its investing style which remain invested most of the times, it has the worst "Preservation" Lipper rating amongst the four.
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I have different opinion. I would look for how well a fund can recover after a downturn. If you look at 3 years chart, all the 4 funds tracked pretty closely with Alliance perfoming the best when it can withstand the selloff in Nov'12 while the rest of funds are recovering from it. This is post recession. If you look at 5-years chart, Pacific performed the best and recovered ahead of others, Alliance and CIMB about the same while OSK did not really recover from it. Base on this chart, I would avoid OSK-UOB and go with either Pacific, Alliance and/or CIMB. BTW, I have both Pacific and OSK and plan to keep only Pacific and buy into Alliance and CIMB. If you look at how their NAV moves for the past few years, it track the stock market pretty well. I would expect the NAV to drop significantly around May-July timeframe and rise again in couple of month. If you perform VCA well, you should be able to get pretty good IRR over 5-10 years period. I look back at my PM funds, I did get 16% IRR for PFSF and PISSF, 13% for PISEF and 12% for PIEF and PIDF and I did not really perform VCA but DCA quarterly as allowed by EPF. So IRR more than 10% is achievable, just how well you can take the risk. It might not be for everyone. I know many would freak out when they have just 10% drawdown.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 21 2013, 07:43 AM)
I have different opinion. I would look for how well a fund can recover after a downturn. If you look at 3 years chart, all the 4 funds tracked pretty closely with Alliance perfoming the best when it can withstand the selloff in Nov'12 while the rest of funds are recovering from it. This is post recession. If you look at 5-years chart, Pacific performed the best and recovered ahead of others, Alliance and CIMB about the same while OSK did not really recover from it. Base on this chart, I would avoid OSK-UOB and go with either Pacific, Alliance and/or CIMB. BTW, I have both Pacific and OSK and plan to keep only Pacific and buy into Alliance and CIMB. If you look at how their NAV moves for the past few years, it track the stock market pretty well. I would expect the NAV to drop significantly around May-July timeframe and rise again in couple of month. If you perform VCA well, you should be able to get pretty good IRR over 5-10 years period. I look back at my PM funds, I did get 16% IRR for PFSF and PISSF, 13% for PISEF and 12% for PIEF and PIDF and I did not really perform VCA but DCA quarterly as allowed by EPF. So IRR more than 10% is achievable, just how well you can take the risk. It might not be for everyone. I know many would freak out when they have just 10% drawdown.
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What is your acceptable % of downturn before withdrawal of fund. Understand that osk-uob gold n general fund still dropping and investors still keeping it, hoping for breakeven.
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What is your acceptable % of downturn before withdrawal of fund. Understand that osk-uob gold n general fund still dropping and investors still keeping it, hoping for breakeven.
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I'll personally make a stop loss at 20%
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Sharpe ratio and fund ranking can reverse in a matter of years. IMHO, just go for a fund with decent rating and whose investing style/mandate complements your portfolio.

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anybody ever exercise the 6 days cool off period?
how it works?
do they give you back the sales charge deducted?
since its 6days, how they count? is it from the first day when you place the order, or T+4 (once you see your fund shows up in ur account) then only start the 6 days from there
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anybody ever exercise the 6 days cool off period?
how it works?
do they give you back the sales charge deducted?
since its 6days, how they count? is it from the first day when you place the order, or T+4 (once you see your fund shows up in ur account) then only start the 6 days from there
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Cyprus problem.
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How come Cyprus problem results in Asia Pacific ex Japan funds to drop? Cyprus is in Europe, not in Asia Pacific I guess?
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How come Cyprus problem results in Asia Pacific ex Japan funds to drop?  Cyprus is in Europe, not in Asia Pacific I guess?
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Please, it's a globalization issue.

When Cyprus has problem, it'll threaten the Eurozone banking system and policy sending discomfort into Eurozone confidence.

Any news that threaten banking confidence will have ripple effect on other regional markets?

Do you think that Asia Pacific ex Japan region is isolated (by observing MSCI Asia indices) when US has bad news on their economy or banking system? The answer is no because every economy is inter-connected and inter-related.

When China said that they'll stop to buy US debts, do you think US market will be still continuing to rally? Or suddenly North Korea threaten to launch missiles to US or its ally? Even though these are geopolitical issues, it'll somehow create tremor to the world stock exchanges.

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so serious meh...

buy the rumour, sell the news.... the stock market is a gambling den full of punters reacting to any rumours/news... see people queuing at the ATMs in Cyrus on Sunday, sell on Monday... stock market going up, just waiting for a reason to take money off the table... stock market going down, just waiting for a reason to be jittery and sell.

The americans are laughing off their heads... $10 billion only, and euro can't print money. biggrin.gif

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21-Mar-2013 OSK-UOB KidSave Trust To be advised 28-Mar-2013
21-Mar-2013 OSK-UOB Dana Islam To be advised 28-Mar-2013
21-Mar-2013 OSK-UOB Malaysia Dividend Fund To be advised 28-Mar-2013
21-Mar-2013 OSK-UOB Smart Treasure Fund To be advised 28-Mar-2013
21-Mar-2013 OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust To be advised 28-Mar-2013
21-Mar-2013 OSK-UOB Smart Treasure Fund To be advised 28-Mar-2013
21-Mar-2013 OSK-UOB Income Fund To be advised 28-Mar-2013
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Cyprus shock not heavy enough...nothing to buy yawn.gif
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Cyprus shock not heavy enough...nothing to buy yawn.gif
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A little question about Annual Trustee fee, when it's charged? Is it one year after we purchase a fund or in January every year? What if we sell the fund before it reaching a year, say, in 11 months? Do we still have to pay this fee?
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A little question about Annual Trustee fee, when it's charged? Is it one year after we purchase a fund or in January every year?  What if we sell the fund before it reaching a year, say, in 11 months? Do we still have to pay this fee?
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it's already factored in the NAV, so you 'do not' see the charge
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QUOTE(s_kates81 @ Mar 22 2013, 03:02 PM)
A little question about Annual Trustee fee, when it's charged? Is it one year after we purchase a fund or in January every year?  What if we sell the fund before it reaching a year, say, in 11 months? Do we still have to pay this fee?
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Distribution statement for AmAsiaPacific REIT and AmDynamic Bond are out.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 22 2013, 10:24 PM)
Distribution statement for AmAsiaPacific REIT and AmDynamic Bond are out.
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s_kates81 read Post #1 icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 22 2013, 10:31 PM)
And I'm still waiting for OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond's...
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Yup, me too... I think can only see the statement around 1 month time, rite? Same case with my OSK-UOB Asian Income Fund's
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Yup, me too... I think can only see the statement around 1 month time, rite? Same case with my OSK-UOB Asian Income Fund's
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 22 2013, 10:31 PM)
And I'm still waiting for OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond's...
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Same here. AmAsia Pac Reits are my first UT dividends, so seeing the email was a cherry popping moment for me. Hehe.
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Same here. AmAsia Pac Reits are my first UT dividends, so seeing the email was a cherry popping moment for me. Hehe.
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Haha yea I read thru a few pages back on how dividends are actually a 'taking from our left hand and giving us on our right hand' situation. Nonetheless, its nice seeing the value of my investments spike up after the drop during ex-date.
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Haha yea I read thru a few pages back on how dividends are actually a 'taking from our left hand and giving us on our right hand' situation. Nonetheless, its nice seeing the value of my investments spike up after the drop during ex-date.
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That's why I usually stop recording the NAV movements of a fund that went ex, I just "freeze" it at last NAV price before ex-distribution, then update the movements again after the crediting of distribution so as not to mess up the IRR of my portfolio.

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 23 2013, 10:00 AM)
BIG DROP - rise - drop - rise - drop - BIG RISE

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That's why I usually stop recording the NAV movements of a fund that went ex, I just "freeze" it at last NAV price before ex-distribution, then update the movements again after the crediting of distribution so as not to mess up the IRR of my portfolio.
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Hey, thats a good idea. Just recomputed my XIRR. Even before receiving back my OSK OUB EM Bond Fund dividends, it stands ta 9.45%... What took me so long to jump on the UT bandwagon lol. I've been contented with subpar FD rates for so long.

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Hey, thats a good idea. Just recomputed my XIRR. Even before receiving back my OSK OUB EM Bond Fund dividends, it stands ta 9.45%... What took me so long to jump on the UT bandwagon lol. I've been contented with subpar FD rates for so long.
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Mar 23 2013, 10:13 AM)
Hey, thats a good idea. Just recomputed my XIRR. Even before receiving back my OSK OUB EM Bond Fund dividends, it stands ta 9.45%... What took me so long to jump on the UT bandwagon lol. I've been contented with subpar FD rates for so long.
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yes please share your portfolio.. i wish to learn more about UT in this few months, then when the FDs mature can invest in UT instead..
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yes please share your portfolio.. i wish to learn more about UT in this few months, then when the FDs mature can invest in UT instead..
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This palia portfolio delivered IRR of 6.2% as at end of Feb-2013 blush.gif
- Started in 2008
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- Major revamp and restarted investing at 2012

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yes please share your portfolio.. i wish to learn more about UT in this few months, then when the FDs mature can invest in UT instead..
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Haha, very humble investments la. most of them purchased during the FSM 0.5% promo, so the break even was much quicker.

AmBond ~18%
RHB Bond Fund ~11%
OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond ~17%
Hwang Select Balanced Fund ~10.5%
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity ~18%
AmAsia Pacific REITs ~14%
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund ~12%

approx at that range to date, based on current value. I do a monthly topup to whereever I see value and based on the recommendations of the sifus here.


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 23 2013, 10:35 AM)
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3314350

This palia portfolio delivered IRR of 6.2% as at end of Feb-2013 blush.gif
- Started in 2008
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- Major revamp and restarted investing at 2012
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rclxms.gif thanks.

haih im only having 3.xx% from FD for the past 3 years.. last year moved some funds to REITs, getting 6.xx%. this year will move some funds to UT. i currently have UO asian income fund, and its only because the bank agent managed to persuade me thumbup.gif

UO AIF ex-date soon right? do u suggest i top up?
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Haha, very humble investments la. most of them purchased during the FSM 0.5% promo, so the break even was much quicker.

AmBond ~18%
RHB Bond Fund ~11%
OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond ~17%
Hwang Select Balanced Fund ~10.5%
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity ~18%
AmAsia Pacific REITs ~14%
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund ~12%

approx at that range to date, based on current value. I do a monthly topup to whereever I see value and based on the recommendations of the sifus here.
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i didnt know about FSM until few months back.. OCBC charge me 4% SC leh.. so now reading up on FSM and see what i can do sweat.gif

i see many ppl have Ambond and OSKUOB Emerging Markets bond, many i should look into it hmm.gif
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rclxms.gif thanks.

haih im only having 3.xx% from FD for the past 3 years.. last year moved some funds to REITs, getting 6.xx%. this year will move some funds to UT. i currently have UO asian income fund, and its only because the bank agent managed to persuade me  thumbup.gif

UO AIF ex-date soon right? do u suggest i top up?
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Mar 23 2013, 10:54 AM)
Haha, very humble investments la. most of them purchased during the FSM 0.5% promo, so the break even was much quicker.

AmBond ~18%
RHB Bond Fund ~11%
OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond ~17%
Hwang Select Balanced Fund ~10.5%
Aberdeen Islamic World Equity ~18%
AmAsia Pacific REITs ~14%
Hwang Asia Quantum Fund ~12%

approx at that range to date, based on current value. I do a monthly topup to whereever I see value and based on the recommendations of the sifus here.
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Your UT portfolio is like a "Greatest Hits" compilation thumbup.gif

That's effectively about 60% in equities, 40% in bonds...

Thanks to FSM, we can have most of the great funds under 1 distributor, convenient and cheap rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 23 2013, 10:59 AM)
Go to Post #1, read the FAQs  sleep.gif
Your UT portfolio is like a "Greatest Hits" compilation thumbup.gif

That's effectively about 60% in equities, 40% in bonds...

Thanks to FSM, we can have most of the great funds under 1 distributor, convenient and cheap rclxms.gif
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do you mean the part of : dividend is just "left hand go right hand"?

i understand this.. so at rm1.00 now, if after ex-date it goes to 0.90. and i bought it earlier at rm1.00, buying it again at .90 brings down my average to .95 right? is that how we do it in UT? bear with me please sweat.gif
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do you mean the part of : dividend is just "left hand go right hand"?

i understand this.. so at rm1.00 now, if after ex-date it goes to 0.90. and i bought it earlier at rm1.00, buying it again at .90 brings down my average to .95 right? is that how we do it in UT? bear with me please  sweat.gif
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Just a simple example to illustrate, but that's essentially how it works...

You hold 100 units at RM1.00 each. RM1.00 x 100 = RM100
Let's say you get 10 units extra from distribution. After distribution you hold 110 units at RM0.9091 each. RM0.9091 x 110 = RM100

Now, let's assume you top up RM10 after ex-date,
RM10 / RM0.9091 = 11 units bought

Your holdings now:
(110 + 11) x RM0.9091 = RM110

Initial value: RM100
Top up: RM10
Total: RM110

Yes, topping up after distribution ex-date brings your unit cost down. BUT AT THE SAME TIME the value per unit i.e. NAV price also comes down - IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE whether you top up before or after ex-date. Cost per unit in UT means little in isolation, the difference between cost per unit and NAV price multiplied by your units held is what matters.

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i see! thanks for the insight! learnt something new today ^^
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You're welcome. Just inserted your question as another FAQ on Post #1 smile.gif
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The standard is about 1 month from ex-date. Now my OSK-UOB Income Fund is next to go ex doh.gif
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EI Asia Pacific equity had drop below it's benchmark.. haihz.. =(
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EI Asia Pacific equity had drop below it's benchmark.. haihz.. =(
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hello sifus, im thinking to park some of my money into bonds, looking for low to moderate risk bonds. from FSM's webpage, one of the recommended bonds are

Bonds - Asia
United Asian Bond Fund Class SGD

Bonds - Global
LionGlobal Short Duration Bond Fund

Bonds - Money Market & Short Duration
Cash Fund

Bonds - Singapore-Centric
LionGlobal Spore Fixed Inc-A
United SGD Fund Cl A

any advise on any of these?

and how do i calculate past performance of UT? when i view 'fact sheet', i see some numbers, but cant figure how to count =/
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i sell some of my unit, i think it would take 24 hours with the current price, however, im wrong. which means its quite complicated to lock in profit.
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i sell some of my unit, i think it would take 24 hours with the current price, however, im wrong. which means its quite complicated to lock in profit.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 24 2013, 10:55 PM)
hello sifus, im thinking to park some of my money into bonds, looking for low to moderate risk bonds. from FSM's webpage, one of the recommended bonds are

Bonds - Asia
United Asian Bond Fund Class SGD

Bonds - Global
LionGlobal Short Duration Bond Fund

Bonds - Money Market & Short Duration
Cash Fund

Bonds - Singapore-Centric
LionGlobal Spore Fixed Inc-A
United SGD Fund Cl A

any advise on any of these?

and how do i calculate past performance of UT? when i view 'fact sheet', i see some numbers, but cant figure how to count =/
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Are u aware that u are looking at FSM Singapore website? hmm.gif
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Bro Pink, is it possible to put ur excel at the 1st thread? biggrin.gif i lost it becos now i outstation, hard to keep track of my UT.. becos FSM is using weighed average cost, it is not the price i bought.. i wanna see the price i bought vs the current price.
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Bro Pink, is it possible to put ur excel at the 1st thread? biggrin.gif i lost it becos now i outstation, hard to keep track of my UT.. becos FSM is using weighed average cost, it is not the price i bought.. i wanna see the price i bought vs the current price.
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Ok. Done already, u try see got problem or not?

Add: At 1st post of this thread

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Ok. Done already, u try see got problem or not?

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Click the FAQ link on Post #1
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hi pinky, i didnt noticed initially. sweat.gif but im interested to invest in Sg, china and indonesia... any recommended bonds?
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hi pinky, i didnt noticed initially.  sweat.gif  but im interested to invest in Sg, china and indonesia... any recommended bonds?
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For Southeast Asian markets, Hwang Asia Quantum is very good (small-mid cap Asia Ex-Japan equities, but quite heavy on SEA markets).

Look at these too:
OSK-UOB Equity Trust
Hwang Select Asia Ex-Japan Opportunity
Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic income

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 25 2013, 12:13 PM)
For Southeast Asian markets, Hwang Asia Quantum is very good (small-mid cap Asia Ex-Japan equities, but quite heavy on SEA markets).

Look at these too:
OSK-UOB Equity Trust
Hwang Select Asia Ex-Japan Opportunity
Eastspring Investments Asia Pacific Shariah
CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic income
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noted smile.gif thanks. will have a look~
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You can also add OSK-UOB ASEAN fund if you want purely ASEAN region. I analysed it before. Quite impressive the performance.
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Most of the funds taking a hit at the moment. Maybe due to Cyprus problems.
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Most of the funds taking a hit at the moment. Maybe due to Cyprus problems.
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Dividend for OSK-UOB EM Bond just updated to my FSM account...
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Dividend for OSK-UOB EM Bond just updated to my FSM account...
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You can also add OSK-UOB ASEAN fund if you want purely ASEAN region. I analysed it before. Quite impressive the performance.
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I see.. Hw about bonds? Any recommended ones?
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I see.. Hw about bonds? Any recommended ones?
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Not a bond player. Those famous bond fund are already in the list.
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Just updated my portfolio worksheet with the distribution. My holdings of OUEMBF actually took quite a bad hit during the past 1 month doh.gif
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Just updated my portfolio worksheet with the distribution. My holdings of OUEMBF actually took quite a bad hit during the past 1 month doh.gif
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Emerging market dun know do what....seriesly drop and bad performance...bond / equity also cham.. doh.gif doh.gif
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Emerging market dun know do what....seriesly drop and bad performance...bond / equity also cham..  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Yeah, my GEM equity even worse, from IRR of 6-7%, dropped to 2%+ in a matter of a week shocking.gif

Made some observation during the recent drop, Hwang Select Bond Fund is really a very good bond fund to include inside a portfolio; when (almost) all funds drop, it gains. Which means that it is negatively correlated to to equity performance. Whereas OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund though performed commendably, it does not really serve the function of a bond fund in a well-balanced portfolio well, which is to even out the impact of market fluctuations on a portfolio.
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PGSF keep dropping too. Haha.
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Not a bond player. Those famous bond fund are already in the list.
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i see biggrin.gif actually bonds are more conservative and have lower risks, thus their return wont be very high but will be better than FD or savings account right?
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i see  biggrin.gif actually bonds are more conservative and have lower risks, thus their return wont be very high but will be better than FD or savings account right?
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I'm aware of that but I prefer HYIP with medium risk tolerance.
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i see  biggrin.gif actually bonds are more conservative and have lower risks, thus their return wont be very high but will be better than FD or savings account right?
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In the long run, can safely answer "yes". But in a shorter timeframe of just a couple of years, bond fund can also deliver sub-par returns; a year's negative returns i.e. loss can drag down your annualised returns greatly.

E.g. Year 2010 -3%, Year 2011 +5%, Year 2012 +4%, that would give u a 3-year annualised returns of only 1.94% doh.gif

See u scared or not...still dare say bond have "lower risks"? brows.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2013, 09:54 PM)
I'm aware of that but I prefer HYIP with medium risk tolerance.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2013, 09:54 PM)
I'm aware of that but I prefer HYIP with medium risk tolerance.
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actually i was asking you whether that statement is correct biggrin.gif thanks for the confirmation~
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 25 2013, 09:55 PM)
In the long run, can safely answer "yes". But in a shorter timeframe of just a couple of years, bond fund can also deliver sub-par returns; a year's negative returns i.e. loss can drag down your annualised returns greatly.

E.g. Year 2010 -3%, Year 2011 +5%, Year 2012 +4%, that would give u a 3-year annualised returns of only 1.94% doh.gif

See u scared or not...still dare say bond have "lower risks"? brows.gif
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har.. then i might need rethink then.. coz i wont be moving my funds in UT alot.. might probably end up leaving it there for few years, so looking for some bonds or UT that less volatile ..
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@pisces88, Pink Spider has answered.

HYIP stands for high yield investment product; could be equity fund.

In near term, FD will have higher return and quicker liquidity.
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 25 2013, 09:57 PM)
har.. then i might need rethink then.. coz i wont be moving my funds in UT alot.. might probably end up leaving it there for few years, so looking for some bonds or UT that less volatile ..
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In my earlier example, 3 years is also considered "a few years" hmm.gif

My suggestion to u is, if u are quite certain that u would remain invested for quite some time, build a conservative portfolio of perhaps 66% to 75% bonds + 25% to 33% equities. The award-winning Hwang Select Income Fund which has consistently delivered above-EPF returns over the years is at 75/25 most of the times.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 25 2013, 10:03 PM)
In my earlier example, 3 years is also considered "a few years" hmm.gif

My suggestion to u is, if u are quite certain that u would remain invested for quite some time, build a conservative portfolio of perhaps 66% to 75% bonds + 25% to 33% equities. The award-winning Hwang Select Income Fund which has consistently delivered above-EPF returns over the years is at 75/25 most of the times.
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oh? then maybe the Hwang Select Income Fund is what im looking for smile.gif


you're right on the 66-75% bonds.. thats why im looking for recommendations for bonds from the sifus here biggrin.gif
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oh? then maybe the Hwang Select Income Fund is what im looking for smile.gif
you're right on the 66-75% bonds.. thats why im looking for recommendations for bonds from the sifus here  biggrin.gif
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Those are like dividend or income fund. They're committed to pay distribution mainly. Hence, the name of the fund carries the word "income" or "dividend".
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:10 PM)
oh? then maybe the Hwang Select Income Fund is what im looking for smile.gif
you're right on the 66-75% bonds.. thats why im looking for recommendations for bonds from the sifus here  biggrin.gif
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1. Hwang Select Income Fund is not available at FSM tongue.gif
2. Sales Charge if u buy thru banks or direct from HwangIM = 3%

But with IRR of 10.7% p.a. (that's what I'm getting, I'm invested since 2008 but have stopped topping up since 2010 when I started investing thru FSM), 3% is not really much, bagi dia lah! biggrin.gif

If you're really interested, this is where you should go:
http://hwangim.com/investment-solutions/download-forms

Can set up Direct Debit Instruction (that's another name for Regular Savings Plan for u), every month HwangIM debit your bank account so that u don't need to worry about when to invest, how much to invest etc; just invest every month, and leave the rest to the professionals. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2013, 10:15 PM)
Those are like dividend or income fund. They're committed to pay distribution mainly. Hence, the name of the fund carries the word "income" or "dividend".
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Dave, this statement of yours could start another round of misunderstanding on dividend/distribution tongue.gif

Allow me to elaborate on what does an "income fund" tag really mean...

Since we're talking about Hwang Select Income Fund, I'll just use it as a case study.
- the fund invests in high income-yielding instruments, and they are (1) high dividend yield equities, and (2) bonds
- (1) delivers the dividend income, whereas (2) delivers the interest income
- to an "income fund", income is of primary concern, capital gains are secondary

To an investor like me who elected to reinvest all distributions declared, all the incomes/gains of the fund whether
- dividends received,
- interest incomes,
- realised profit/(loss) on sale of investments, or
- paper gains/(loss) for investments held
are capital gains, for the value of my investment in the fund has grown, there is no cashflow involved.

To an investor who elected to receive distributions in cash, distributions declared are a form of income (cash inflow), gains in NAV price are capital gains. If u purchase Hwang Select Income Fund direct from HwangIM, you CAN elect for this. icon_idea.gif

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@Pink Spider, I understand the concept on distribution in unit trust.

What I quoted was from the marketing material. Don't flame me!

Personally, I prefer the fund not to declare it and has NAV appreciation.
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Aiyo cool it bro biggrin.gif

However, the "commitment to make distributions" is very relevant especially to retiree investors who wants a source of income. For this type of investors, basically what they can do is to dump one lump sum into an "income fund" and expect the regular CASH income distribution to sustain their lifestyle. smile.gif

E.g. upon retirement u have RM1mil, the fund u invested in made a gain of 10% and declares 8% as dividend, that's RM80,000 p.a. or RM6,667 per month! The 2% gains undistributed will be left with the fund for future growth. nod.gif

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I had chats with several financial planner and they seem to give me some ideas on technique of UT investment:
1. Certain planners would switch from their equity fund to bond fund once they have achieved certain amount of gain and when the price of equity funds drop, they will go in again.
2. Certain planners suggest me to top up regularly so that we can better return.
To all cikgus and sifus here, which one do you all think is much better in terms of return of investment?
thanks again for any ideas and teachings from you all.
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?

P.S saya budak baru belajar. Jangan overkill me.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 25 2013, 10:45 PM)
Aiyo cool it bro biggrin.gif

However, the "commitment to make distributions" is very relevant especially to retiree investors who wants a source of income. For this type of investors, basically what they can do is to dump one lump sum into an "income fund" and expect the regular CASH income distribution to sustain their lifestyle. smile.gif

E.g. upon retirement u have RM1mil, the fund u invested in made a gain of 10% and declares 8% as dividend, that's RM80,000 p.a. or RM6,667 per month! The 2% gains undistributed will be left with the fund for future growth. nod.gif
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That's why income based funds are not meant for investors like us.

QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 10:51 PM)
Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?

P.S saya budak baru belajar. Jangan overkill me.
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That's only true if you're in bull market. In a volatile market, it's hard to predict or time the market movement.
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QUOTE(bios @ Mar 25 2013, 10:47 PM)
I had chats with several financial planner and they seem to give me some ideas on technique of UT investment:
1. Certain planners would switch from their equity fund to bond fund once they have achieved certain amount of gain and when the price of equity funds drop, they will go in again.
2. Certain planners suggest me to top up regularly so that we can better return.
To all cikgus and sifus here, which one do you all think is much better in terms of return of investment?
thanks again for any ideas and teachings from you all.
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1. The purpose is to capture or lock the "gain" but you never know when the fund will drop back. Next, there's switching fee involved. Switching too frequent is not recommended.
2. This strategy is called DCA and the purpose is to average down the unit cost price. It is usually when the market is volatile and you have less time to manage your portfolio.
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 10:51 PM)
Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?

P.S saya budak baru belajar. Jangan overkill me.
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In such scenario, whether the fund makes distribution or not also u will gain!

To avoid confusion, DON'T THINK ABOUT NAV PRICE, think VALUE (no. of units held x NAV price).

E.g.

Got distribution
Before ex-date u hold RM1,000 (RM1.0000 x 1,000 units)
After ex-date AND distribution u also hold RM1,000 (RM0.9091 x 1,100 units), let's assume the distribution u get is 100 units
The fund's underlying investments gained 8% in the next 3 months
Your holdings now: (RM0.9091 + 8%) x 1,100 units = RM0.9818 x 1,100 units = RM1,080

No distribution
U hold RM1,000
The fund's underlying investments gained 8% in the next 3 months
Your holdings: RM1.080 x 1,000 units = RM1,080

Lu ada faham ar? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2013, 11:05 PM)
1. The purpose is to capture or lock the "gain" but you never know when the fund will drop back. Next, there's switching fee involved. Switching too frequent is not recommended.
2. This strategy is called DCA and the purpose is to average down the unit cost price. It is usually when the market is volatile and you have less time to manage your portfolio.
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Dear David
thanks for the explanation.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 25 2013, 11:09 PM)
In such scenario, whether the fund makes distribution or not also u will gain!

To avoid confusion, DON'T THINK ABOUT NAV PRICE, think VALUE (no. of units held x NAV price).

E.g.

Got distribution
Before ex-date u hold RM1,000 (RM1.0000 x 1,000 units)
After ex-date AND distribution u also hold RM1,000 (RM0.9091 x 1,100 units), let's assume the distribution u get is 100 units
The fund's underlying investments gained 8% in the next 3 months
Your holdings now: (RM0.9091 + 8%) x 1,100 units = RM0.9818 x 1,100 units = RM1,080

No distribution
U hold RM1,000
The fund's underlying investments gained 8% in the next 3 months
Your holdings: RM1.080 x 1,000 units = RM1,080

Lu ada faham ar? sweat.gif
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Should put this into the 1st page. Are you the TS?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2013, 11:15 PM)
Should put this into the 1st page. Are you the TS?
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Ha.. like that ar? Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 25 2013, 11:19 PM)
Ha.. like that ar? Then what's the point of dividend distribution since units and NAV price has negative correlation?
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Go back to my post no. 482 (last paragraph) and 484
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 25 2013, 11:28 PM)
Go back to my post no. 482 (last paragraph) and 484
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Maybe you want to add that to 1st post as well. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2013, 11:50 PM)
Maybe you want to add that to 1st post as well. laugh.gif
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Shall I change this thread's name to "Dispelling myths about unit trusts"? laugh.gif

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Shall I change this thread's name to "Dispelling myths about unit trusts"? laugh.gif
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No need to be that serious.

Just add it to the list of FAQ.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 26 2013, 10:02 AM)
No need to be that serious.

Just add it to the list of FAQ.
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Done last nite icon_rolleyes.gif

Portfolio IRR dropped from 6.3% to 5.8%...thinking to top up, but this month topped up a lot already doh.gif

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2013, 11:15 PM)
Should put this into the 1st page. Are you the TS?
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He should just publish a book ''Dummies on UT'' smile.gif
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Yeah, my GEM equity even worse, from IRR of 6-7%, dropped to 2%+ in a matter of a week shocking.gif

Made some observation during the recent drop, Hwang Select Bond Fund is really a very good bond fund to include inside a portfolio; when (almost) all funds drop, it gains. Which means that it is negatively correlated to to equity performance. Whereas OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond Fund though performed commendably, it does not really serve the function of a bond fund in a well-balanced portfolio well, which is to even out the impact of market fluctuations on a portfolio.
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Yeap.. Hwang Select Bond and OSK Income fund keep on going up while EM up down up down there.

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