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wongmunkeong
post Mar 8 2013, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 10:26 PM)
CMF lo doh.gif

*think reverse scenario*

If u top up RM500 come rain or shine, what about a month when your portfolio kaboom go -RM300? Still top up RM500? Then it's net +RM200 for the month...

I'm of the opinion that Value Averaging is superior to Dollar Cost Averaging. With DCA, u might end up deploying your cash even when the market is overheating. With VCA, u top up more when the market crash, top up less (or even stop topping up altogether) when the market rallied hard.
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Statistically VCA is also superior to DCA in real-market situations brows.gif
Anyhow, hm.. asset allocation doesn't seem to occur to some bros/sis here, rather than purely trying to time the market.

VCA to me is semi-compartmentalized Asset Allocation coz when high, dont use much $, thus $ left in $ market / FD / Bond funds, thus "mini asset allocation".

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post Mar 10 2013, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(greyPJ @ Mar 10 2013, 08:58 PM)
HWANG ASIA QUANTUM FUND

return v high, plan to throw all my money in.

all toufus pls advice
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throw (gambling)
all (sai lang / show hand)
$?

U do know what they say about over-confidence & pride right?
"Sure win" was the thing about US properties too until... brows.gif
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post Mar 12 2013, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 12 2013, 06:22 PM)
anyone have issue logging in fundsupermart?
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Let me guess - U loggin in from office? Where yr IT ppl has setup a load balancer?
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FSM's system can't handle it the last i tried - multiple IPs while "keeping the same password token".
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post Mar 12 2013, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 12 2013, 06:22 PM)
anyone have issue logging in fundsupermart?
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Let me guess - U loggin in from office? Where yr IT ppl has setup a load balancer?
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FSM's system can't handle it the last i tried - multiple IPs while "keeping the same password token".
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post Mar 17 2013, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 17 2013, 04:48 PM)
Calling wongmunkeong and other investors who have invested EPF money in UTs...

The 1st time u withdraw, do u withdraw 100%, or did u divide into portions?

E.g. excess savings in A/C 1 is RM50,000, thus amount that can be withdrawn is RM50,000 x 20% = RM10,000. Do you take out the whole RM10,000 and pump into UT at one go, or do u take out a certain portion only? unsure.gif

Let's say 1st withdrawal take RM10,000...
3 months later, can withdraw another (RM50,000 - RM10,000) x 20% = RM8,000 (assuming zero contribution just to make the illustration simple tongue.gif )
Then another 3 months later, can withdraw (RM50,000 - RM10,000 - RM8,000) x 20% = RM6,400

If 1st withdrawal take only half, can “smooth" the withdrawal amounts...

E.g. 1st take 5K,
Then 2nd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K) x 20% = RM9K but only take 5K again
3rd withdrawal can take (RM50K - RM5K - RM5K) x 20% = RM8K but only take 5K again

Too used to small top ups with my cash investments, now ask me take so much to invest at one shot I feel sweat.gif

But I've no problem clicking "buy" when I buy Ping Pong crackers share with close to RM3K laugh.gif doh.gif

Add: I see EPF already has holdings in most of the KLSE big counters...shall I go for small cap fund like OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust, or a non-restrictive fund like Hwang Select Opportunity Fund? hmm.gif
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Heheh - virgin EPF takeout eh Pink? tongue.gif

Good Q - planning ahead for a "consistency" & planned injection into Equities, especially if via VCA & DCA.
Ok here's how i do it:
1. Simulate in Excel, for the next 5 years, what is the total "take out". Throw into the cooking, your 11% + 12%, and remember A/C1 = 70% of those injections.
Then divide the years by quarters, let's assume $10K average/qtr

2. Execution = 2 steps process:
a. Use $10K for calculating your VCA or just do $10K DCA into yr equity fund(s).
b. IF more than $10K can be taken out (especially the first few initial times), then put the difference into a related fund's bond fund as dry powder.
When later, your takeout from EPF A/C1 is less than $10K, U can use this dry powder to top up

One of the many methods.
Just a thought notworthy.gif

Side note - U can do as per your thoughts.
However if U suddenly want to access the amount "U didnt take out", U can't due to the calculations based on % left in your (A/C1 minus x) * xx%.

Side note 2:
If U can take out $8K or more initially - U may want to consider self-directed KLSE shares brows.gif
Can do CIMBC25, CIMBA40, etc. (foreign heavy)

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post Mar 18 2013, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 17 2013, 11:31 PM)
Their charges different from MY.

http://www.fundsupermart.com/main/research...?articleNo=3992

P.S Didnt know MY got platform fee also. Tehee.
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er.. MY has platform fees?
argh.. i gotta go poke Customer Service liao for clarifications
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post Mar 18 2013, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 18 2013, 01:38 PM)
That day at FSM Silver & Gold investors appreciation dinner, we did pop this question to AMB CEO:

"Aside from Sales Charges, what are the other (if any) income for FSM? Surely they cannot survive on Sales Charges alone, esp considering that there are also a lot of zero Sale Charge funds being sold..."

Answer: Fund Houses typically have arrangement with IUTAs (Institutional Unit Trust Adviser) like FSM whereby the IUTAs will take a share of the annual management fee being charged
How's your portfolio breakdown like? i.e. how much % in bonds and how much % in equities

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Tu normal lar, cam trailer fees / career benefits for PM's & other fund houses' agents - comes from the mgt fees already stated

However, IF ada platform fees charge to investors of FSM MY - that's additional cost directly impacting investors wor cry.gif
havent poked Cust.Service yet - firefighting
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post Mar 28 2013, 07:00 AM

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QUOTE(kangwoo @ Mar 28 2013, 01:47 AM)
never tried the chat  doh.gif  and specialist  doh.gif  doh.gif
the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee

but since fsm sales charges lower, use fsm for osk funds, while clicks for cimb

why no publicmutual fund in fsm?
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er... sorry to butt in.
U may want to note down the particulars of the bank's employees that stated "the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee" and ask to see their supervisor for misselling or at the very least, misinformation.

IF FSM sells their bank's products,
FSM just acts like a "Unit Trust Consultant", albeit a corporate version (pls Google CUTA for more details) rather than an individual/person,
it is the bank / fund house that one buys from & holds unit trusts in.

Is it safer to buy from an individual/person UTC or corporate UTC?
Is there any difference in holding unit trusts sold by a bank via an individual/person UTC VS. via a corporate UTC?

Bottom line:
FSM is NOT the fund house that one buys unit trusts from.
FSM represents several fund houses and sells for them, akin to individual/person UTC (unit trust cconsultant).

Thus, how does "the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee" come into play?
Payment processing ar?

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post Apr 7 2013, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 7 2013, 06:06 PM)
It helps me to monitor my investment exposure biggrin.gif

I read a research article on FSM magazine, they did a research (but based on US markets data) on portfolio allocation. Basically the finding is, a 50/50 balanced portfolio gives the best risk-adjusted returns. Applying the same here, I've studied the past returns and volatility of 3 HwangIM funds - Hwang Select Income Fund (max 30% equity exposure, global mandate), Hwang Select Balanced Fund (40-60% equity, 100% Malaysia) and Hwang Select Opportunity Fund (100% equity, up to 30% foreign exposure), and the result is also similar, the balanced fund gives the best risk-adjusted returns. smile.gif

There's also this well-known formula of substracting your age from 100, to determine your equity exposure. E.g. I'm 29, I should have 100 - 29 = 71% in equity. But being the conservative accountant I am, I went for the balanced route.

Calling wongmunkeong Seafood and pakcik gark,

My non-current assets made up of:
(1) FDs equivalent to 12 months expenses
(2) Bond UT fund to park my excess funds
(3) UT funds as long-term investment (got bond funds, got equity funds)
(4) Malaysian equities

If combine 3 & 4, the allocation is roughly 50% fixed income + 50% equities. But if we include 2 into the picture, it's gonna be quite fixed income-heavy. If include 1 also, it's a very lopsided allocation toward fixed income. doh.gif

But 1 being designated as cash buffer to cover for unforeseen contingencies, I'd prefer to take it out of the picture. Do u think I should take 2 into the portfolio allocation? unsure.gif

If yes, I should go 50/50 for my UT funds, and let 2 be the fixed income "balancer" against 4. hmm.gif

Guys, any comment? notworthy.gif
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Hm.. no expert here yar, just logical view:
a. One shd split "investment pile" (untouchable for >5yrs+, especially for new capital injected -think like biz)
VS for "use pile"
b. Emergency buffer funds aren't for investment but more for "use pile"
U've got (a) + (b) in your (1) VS (2)to(4)

Thus my Q would be:
c. Why are U not including your (2) into your investment pile's Asset Allocation?
Yes, U store your excess there BUT is it part of your investment pile OR "use pile"?

The next Q would be - may i understand your reasoning on using (2) to "balance" (4)?
Personally, i take a holistic approach - ie. i dont care whether foreign or local, i tag them as Asset Class first
THEN only i sub-tag each as Foreign or Domestic
Logic = if it's Stocks - whether Foreign or Domestic, when BIG kaka hits the fan, ALL Stocks fall hard (perhaps except REITs due to their nature).
Think 2008 US CDOs-caused credit crunch & more recently 2011 Europe scare dip Jul-Oct

d. IMHO:
Asset Allocation isn't just about risk management but to me, it is more of optimizing returns for risk, based on one's risk appetite, time for managing investments & skills.
Risk management to me is the diversification within asset classes.

eg.
I choose to own 3 types of vehicles for 3 types of usage/goals:
e. Sports cars - for fun & high speed + long distance driving, to reach destination faster
f. 4x4 All terrain vehicle - for reliabilty & usage when the roads flood + off road
g. Scooters - for easy in/out, cheap & affordable usage for nearby solo usage & easy parking
The above is my choice of Asset Allocation - each class/type of vehicle for a specific reason

My risk management is then:
i buy 2-3 sports cars (one local, the rest foreign),
2 or 3 4x4 (one local, the rest foreign),
and 2 or 3 scooters (one local, the rest foreign),
all from the top manufacturers.

Just a thought notworthy.gif

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post Apr 7 2013, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 7 2013, 08:04 PM)
(2) is excess funds which I do not foresee needed within 1 year, but should a NEED arises, I will draw on that first before touching my FDs. I see the FDs as my "last resort", bond funds as "cash reserves". U could say that (2) is a "multi-purpose" asset. icon_rolleyes.gif

In addition to (2), I have cash equivalent to my 2 months expenses in very liquid form.
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neh - U have 2 piles of reserves?
i'd think yr 12 mths shd be enuf neh?
If so, perhaps:
Perhaps a split of 4 mths cash
+ 4mths in MM funds
+ 4mths bond funds (no.. not that Emerging Market thinggy - something simple like AmBond)

Note - having all yr emergency funds locked in FD isn't too flexible leh, especially for emergencies... unless U stagger / ladder them biggrin.gif

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post Apr 7 2013, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 7 2013, 08:48 PM)
Worry not my Seafood, my EM bonds are classified under (3) UT funds as long-term investment biggrin.gif

Currently majority of my (2) is in OSK-UOB Income Fund, its risk profile is similar to AmBond's. My current plan is, should I have a major cash NEED, I will draw on this. Similarly, should I see an opportunity to buy some good stocks with decent dividend yield, my ammo will come from here.

My FDs (4 of them) are all 12-months FDs, each maturing 3 months after the other.

So, the conclusion is? Should I go 50/50 for my UT funds as long-term investment, and let my "cash reserves" balance off against my equity investments? unsure.gif
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50/50 if U mean:
50% in fixed income
50% in equities
OK gua

BUT if U meant
50% UT (equities & fixed income)
50% in cash reserves
er.. a bit out of whack

other than the 2 above, unsure any other combos / whatcha mean heheh
ie. your 50/50 AND your "cash reserves" balance off against.. = 2 Qs or 1 Q notworthy.gif
Caffeine in my blood stream dying off for today tongue.gif
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post Apr 7 2013, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 7 2013, 09:31 PM)
Come find me I belanja u good ol' kopitiam Kopi O ice wub.gif

By 50/50 I meant 50% fixed income/bond + 50% equities:
- maintain 50/50 allocation for my UT funds as long term investment
- maintain matching amount in bond fund - "cash reserves" against my Malaysian equities, e.g. RM15K in equities, RM15K in bond

Of course, the "cash reserves" being a "multi-purpose asset" (bullets for equities and reserve for unexpected needs), it will fluctuate. Maybe set a upper and lower limit, like max. 75% bond + 25% equities, min. 50% bond + 50% equties? hmm.gif
Let me guess...Hwang Asia Quantum? tongue.gif
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bwhaha so des neh
watshiwa wakarimas (i understand) i think...

Your planned Asset Allocation = 50/50
However, U want to allow your ACTUAL HELD to run a bit yar, perhaps up to 75/25 BEFORE forced rebalancing
Did i get your idea right?

Well if i got your idea right, 25%/50% = 50% variation run before U force a rebalance wor.
IMHO, may be too high a variance before "forcing a rebalance"
Most books & articles say 20%
Personally, i use 25% variance (up/down) before "forcing a rebalance" and i tend to think mine's already a wee bit high.

Note - like U too, i've programmatic investments running every month/quarter, based on a perfect planned Asset Allocation
eg. say i KNOW i'll save and allocate $100K pa for programmatic investing
thus, i pre-allocate $33K /yr or $8.25K/qtr for Equities,
another $33K /yr or $8.25K/qtr for REITs/properties.
The remaining $33K /yr or $8.25K/qtr i leave it in my flexi mortgage/bonds.

With the combination of an over-arching control structure of Asset Allocation (which forces a re-balance if need be)
AND a programmatic no fear/greed pre-planned investing
U've a plan A + plan B backup liao thumbup.gif
Once U've got that down pat, U may want to look into plan C (opportunistic) - a % of your yearly savings or perhaps just windfalls, for opportunistic sniping, BEWARE of fear/greed here though tongue.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 7 2013, 11:50 PM)
AmDynamite Bond is closed for purchases
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bwhaahah - DYNAMITE? Kool tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 8 2013, 07:42 AM)
Typo error while I was at kopitiam when the hot indon mop the floor next to me probably brows.gif  laugh.gif
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Goodness... eh, let unker Wong take U go massage massage lar, or Spa with mirrors and stuff, then U build-up resistance tongue.gif
Sorry mods.. off topic notworthy.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 8 2013, 03:18 PM)
North Korea like going to war soon with SK +US.. i afraid if really become true then sure stock drop like flies biggrin.gif
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Then there'll be oversexed investors like Pinky, Gark & David buying into the lelong (assuming we dont all die due to nuclear warfare lar tongue.gif).
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post Apr 10 2013, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(ZH888 @ Apr 10 2013, 01:16 PM)
Mostly all funds go red... except Malaysia... shakehead.gif  rclxub.gif
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it's good don't U think?
IF U are in the "assets accumulating" phase, down markets are better than sky high markets right?
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post Apr 16 2013, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 16 2013, 01:59 PM)
Try telling that to the gold bugs... they will give you 1001 reasons gold is not a piece of rock... laugh.gif
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Technically... Metal lar, not rock tongue.gif
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post Apr 20 2013, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 20 2013, 09:38 AM)
REITs are good for dividend yield, but limited capital upside and growth unsure.gif
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It depends.. when one bought gua
Would U fall off yr chair if i said my SG REITs is hitting between XIRR 27%+pa to 56%+/-pa since last year? tongue.gif
Bought in several times, from early 2012 to late 2012.
VS
AmAsia Pac REITs exJP XIRR 29.60% - just switched in end 2012 from PubMut's Public Far East Properties & Resorts Fund + bought another time Jan 2013 for my quarterly DCA+VCA program.

Personally, the only reasons why i'm doing mutual funds for REITs is i'm too donkey lazy / dont have easy direct access to so many markets smile.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 21 2013, 04:03 PM)
Where got one, we have a number of them.

It's all too familiar...

Mr A go to bank to place FD
Customer Relationship Officer promote unit trust
Mr A got hooked
Mr A no read prospectus and/or did not do any research on his own
Money originally meant for FD got plonked into an investment that he also dunno about what
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When one invest or trade with a plan, steady.
The danger when not = dunno when to cut-loss OR take-profit or average-up/down.
Like going into battle without plans or a new location without a map/GPS system - very scary (personally to me lar) sweat.gif

Personally, on gold, i'm value-averaging to hit up to a small % of my total investment assets.
FALL BABY FALL! heheh sorry - can't help it <drool> drool.gif

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post Apr 25 2013, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 25 2013, 07:34 AM)
I sent a trigger in FSM.

And my AmAsia Pacific REIT has reached my target ceiling price for 15% ROI.

ROI: 15.05%, XIRR: 21.12%

Should I keep it? hmm.gif
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IMHO:
Keep your winners
or take only some profit (eg. rebalance if too lopsided), let the winners run on

Me - i'm keeping it + Hwang's Global Properties, and adding every quarter (DCA+VCA) tongue.gif
Properties / REITs (real & usable long term) related items seem to be a good ride when every Obama, Merkel & Abe keeps one-upping each other on QEs sweat.gif

Just opining notworthy.gif

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