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kimyee73
post Mar 8 2013, 10:15 AM

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Tried to top up on OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield Fund but not in the list anymore. Is this fund closed already?
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post Mar 8 2013, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 2 2013, 05:55 PM)
Buy and hold all the way?

Seems like what my big boss taught me is true, just buy stocks of quality companies with decent dividend yield, buy and hold even when the price drops so long as its fundamentals and business prospects are intact. hmm.gif

But still, retail investors like most of us only have access to KLSE stocks, hard to gain exposure to overseas stocks like US and HK stocks. And bear in mind, Malaysian stocks have been fairly resilient in recent times, but how long can it continue to be so?
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Trying to catch-up on v2. I found it easier to trade US equities than Malaysian. Lots of information available online and the trading platforms are really excellent. I'm using TDAmeritrade discount broker and ThinkOrSwim platform. US has the biggest market capitalization, several time bigger than HK that is 2nd world biggest. Liquidity is excellent. You should try it.
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post Mar 8 2013, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 8 2013, 10:21 AM)
Yea wor shocking.gif

It's my favourite global equity fund cry.gif

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Darn. I'm just at 8% and my target is 15%. Look like have to go with Pacific Global Stars hmm.gif
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post Mar 18 2013, 01:32 PM

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What is the typical IRR for entire portfolio that one can get?

I just calculated my IRR using Pink's excel sheet and it is 9.7% after 9 years of investing with my EPF money. Sure beat EPF 5%-6% but could have been much higher if I did thing correctly instead of randomly switched funds here and there over the years.
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post Mar 19 2013, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 18 2013, 01:38 PM)
How's your portfolio breakdown like? i.e. how much % in bonds and how much % in equities

Mine is 6.3% currently, started investing in 2008. I'd say my IRR was dragged down by mistakes in 2010 (overly aggressive in equity funds and exited at/near the bottom), and I'm quite overweight bonds.
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I did not understand the concept of portfolio in the past and how you manage UT investement. I have 100% in equity. The only time I made lots of profit is in 2008/9 when I switched most of my money to MM and switch back to equity when market starts to go back up. They stays 100% in equity until today. Now understanding the portfolio thing, I'm starting to move some to fixed income fund but managed to move only 15% before market taking a dip recently.
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post Mar 19 2013, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 19 2013, 08:58 AM)
Wow...master market timer notworthy.gif

The thing about portfolio approach to UT investing is that u need not actively manage your investments, can just leave it on auto-pilot with periodic review and rebalancing. Of course, such approach will not likely beat the returns that u have achieved by timing equity markets.

Different cup of tea for different risk appetite. wink.gif
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That was purely luck. My original consultant did not service me, so I approach another consultant that is making monthly visit to our company. She told me my profit already went down by 20% and I should switch to fixed income immediately. I was shocked and quickly signed switching forms. I'm more into stock and did not really pay attention to my UT. Only recently after signed up with FSM and learning from this forum that I'm giving it more attention. Can I expect to increase my IRR in future? May be not since my new portfolio would be 30% in fixed income and limited choice of funds available for EPF investment. Maybe when there is another market crash.. hmm.gif
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post Mar 19 2013, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Mar 19 2013, 10:47 AM)
no need to wait market crash.

if u want to fix the loss, it would take some times and patience.

UT mah..
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Not quite understand what you meant?? I'm not losing anything. My IRR is about 9%.
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post Mar 20 2013, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2013, 07:40 AM)
4 days of gains wiped out in 18th March sweat.gif
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It's OK. It probably will recover in the next couple weeks but right now things are looking down and this is an opportunity to top up. I'm going to use my referral token to buy additional funds. I'm looking at Alliance Global Equity Fund and CIMB Global Titans Fund. Any comment about those funds?
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post Mar 20 2013, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2013, 08:13 AM)
Alliance GEF = very diversified, 64% Asia Ex-Japan, 36% G5 (US, UK, Germany, France, Japan)
CIMB Titans = Focused on US, Europe and Japan, virtually zero exposure to Asia Ex-Japan

My portfolio % on US and Europe is still short, but the ones got hit hard by the selldown were Asia Ex-Japan and GEMs, how to top up doh.gif  laugh.gif
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You top up whatever funds got hit, I'll buy those two since I don't have them yet biggrin.gif
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post Mar 20 2013, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2013, 01:50 PM)
FSM global funds:
Eastspring Investments Global Leaders
OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield
Pacific Global Stars
Alliance Global Equities
CIMB-Principal Global Titans

Aberdeen Islamic World Equity
AmOasis Global Islamic Equity

What makes u choose them? Let's discuss and share...
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I'm looking at the 3-yr Volatility and Sharpe ratio. They are about the same on volatility but sharpe ratio signifcantly higher. Not sure if the numbers are correct but here what I got from FSM

OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield - 10.99 - 0.17
Pacific Global Stars - 9.66 - 0.11
Alliance Global Equities - 10.87 - 0.47
CIMB-Principal Global Titans - 11.57 - 0.24


Also FSM has switched half of their global fund from PGS to Global Titans for their recommended balanced portfolio.

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post Mar 21 2013, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 20 2013, 05:01 PM)
I knew it tongue.gif

The numbers have changed significantly from the past few months due to the strong rally in US and Europe. Pacific GSF used to be 2nd highest after Alliance GEF, 3rd was OUGEY followed by CIMB-Principal GT.

When downturn, Alliance GE would be the one hit hardest due to its investing style which remain invested most of the times, it has the worst "Preservation" Lipper rating amongst the four.
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I have different opinion. I would look for how well a fund can recover after a downturn. If you look at 3 years chart, all the 4 funds tracked pretty closely with Alliance perfoming the best when it can withstand the selloff in Nov'12 while the rest of funds are recovering from it. This is post recession. If you look at 5-years chart, Pacific performed the best and recovered ahead of others, Alliance and CIMB about the same while OSK did not really recover from it. Base on this chart, I would avoid OSK-UOB and go with either Pacific, Alliance and/or CIMB. BTW, I have both Pacific and OSK and plan to keep only Pacific and buy into Alliance and CIMB. If you look at how their NAV moves for the past few years, it track the stock market pretty well. I would expect the NAV to drop significantly around May-July timeframe and rise again in couple of month. If you perform VCA well, you should be able to get pretty good IRR over 5-10 years period. I look back at my PM funds, I did get 16% IRR for PFSF and PISSF, 13% for PISEF and 12% for PIEF and PIDF and I did not really perform VCA but DCA quarterly as allowed by EPF. So IRR more than 10% is achievable, just how well you can take the risk. It might not be for everyone. I know many would freak out when they have just 10% drawdown.
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post Mar 26 2013, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 25 2013, 11:05 PM)
1. The purpose is to capture or lock the "gain" but you never know when the fund will drop back. Next, there's switching fee involved. Switching too frequent is not recommended.
2. This strategy is called DCA and the purpose is to average down the unit cost price. It is usually when the market is volatile and you have less time to manage your portfolio.
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If you invested heavily, locking the gain can easily offset switching fees. I'm not sure if the switching fee is a percentage of amount switched or a fix cost, I believe it is the later. You can do this when you're retired and not topping up anymore and want to lock the gain instead of letting the value to fluctuate. Switching between equity and fixed income is the right thing to do in such situation. For those still working, practicing both method is good to take advantage of capital gain while at the same time cost/value averaging.
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post Apr 1 2013, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 30 2013, 03:28 PM)
For now, only Hwang Select Opportunity. Maybe later will also buy OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust as a smaller %, e.g. 2/3 in SOF, 1/3 in EOUT. For EPF-funded investments, no bond fund for me, it'd be pointless to withdraw from EPF which yields 5-6% and invest in a non-guaranteed bond fund that returns similar or even lower. doh.gif
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You can always use bond fund to lock-in profit or as buffer for unexpected opportunity. Just need to maintain small percentage there like 10-20%.
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post Apr 1 2013, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(marketstore @ Mar 30 2013, 10:55 PM)
i am doing it for tax exemption....my tax bracket is high
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ya, me too whistling.gif
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post Apr 2 2013, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 1 2013, 10:01 PM)
Why none in Penang cry.gif ?
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post Apr 2 2013, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 1 2013, 10:18 PM)
Haha.. I hoping to get discounts la if go. Previously I went, I get 0.5% discount
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I got 0.5% discount for OSK-UOB from FSM recent seminar in Penang. I top up rm100 and work out to be only 50sen saving. Not going to bother. You need to invest a lot for the 0.5% saving to cover for petrol and parking, and still have balance.
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QUOTE(marketstore @ Apr 7 2013, 11:12 PM)
i am waiting for my fsm account approval.....was planning over the weekend....tot i ll jump in after PRU13...hoping buy low post election if it happens....what do u all think of these funds....since i am 32 yrs old...i tot of 60% equity and 40% bond...tot of investing in
1)Hwang AQ Fund
2)OSK OUB oppurtunity UT
3) AM Asia Pacific REITS
4) osk oub em bond funds
5) osk oub kidsave trust
6)am dynamic bonds...

any sifu comments...
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32 yo only going with 60:40 equity:bond. Can be more agressive like 70:30 or 80:20 as u still young. I'm 48 yo and still going with 60:40 rclxm9.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 8 2013, 10:12 PM)
aiyo all koyak.. i also worry to go in now.. but i got new member benefit from fsm, counting down 30 days sweat.gif advice? go for bonds?
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Most bond funds have 0% sales charge. No use buying bond for new member benefit. Why not use RSP to average the cost over 6 months with 1% sales charge instead?
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QUOTE(ZH888 @ Apr 10 2013, 01:16 PM)
Mostly all funds go red... except Malaysia... shakehead.gif  rclxub.gif
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This is good opportunity. Continue with monthly VCA would get you good return when market is back to normal.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 14 2013, 07:46 PM)
I'm still considering Hwang AQF
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Don't consider, just invest. It is one of the best performing fund available on fsm.

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