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post Mar 5 2013, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 5 2013, 10:36 AM)
oh.. why is it related to buy house? can u use epf to buy house?
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Hi ben3003,

I do simple model calc buying rm 400k, require 10% pay from EPF account 2.
The person work for 5 year equivalent salary permonth to save rm40k

Assumtion house above rm400k, then account 2 also atleast minimum rm40k


10% house down payment = rm40,000
5year EPF contribution with montly to Acc2 =rm 666.6666667
Acc 1 70% montly = rm1555.555556
Acc 2 30%monthly =rm 666.6666667
Montly Contribution to EPF=rm 2222.222222
Employee Salary using revese EPF contribute 11% + 12% = rm7911.111111


the person need to earn rm 8k per month for 5 year only can save rm40k to pay 10% down payment.
I remove the yearly EPF dividend, to made it simple clear cut for 5year flat saving.

notworthy.gif notworthy.gif Forgive me i do any wrong calc let me know, juz to share my view and my maths.

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post Mar 5 2013, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 5 2013, 01:30 PM)
Oh ok, understood.. but this is only if u buy using EPF lo.. if u downpayment use cash then this not an issue right? i tot is a requirement..
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nod.gif nod.gif i bought my house also thru saving in UT for my downpayment. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 5 2013, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 02:02 PM)
U mean

EPF > UT > EPF > house purchase

Right?

And your initial purchase of UT by EPF funds, u maxxed out your quota (20% in excess of basic savings) at 1 shot, or u divide into several purchases e.g. RM10,000 withdrawable, u divide into RM2,500 per quarter.
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shakehead.gif shakehead.gif No No.

I used cash saving to UT, after few year take out to pay 10% downpayment
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post Mar 5 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 5 2013, 02:45 PM)
Y U dun wan use EPF a/c 1 money to pay for downpayment? UT keep for long-term, should yield better than EPF hmm.gif
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Shld be account 2. Pay 10% downpayment must hv cash to pay upfront within 3year from SnP can redem from account 2 EPF.

I used my EPF for UT investment in Public Mutual. long term becoz i dont want EPF used my money buy/sell stock by paying back vmad.gif less then UT.

By the way i open EPF-Public Regular Saving Fund during Aug/2008@0.5033 & Mei/2009@0.4582 Financial Tsunami.

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post Mar 5 2013, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 5 2013, 07:45 PM)
hmm, so should be clever abit to switch to UT? biggrin.gif but need a more stable and less risky one, few percent higher than EPF then very happy liao haha.. so HSO is considered a good choice? any other selections?
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Juz luckily the time i only study UT didnt start study Stock.
I not sure HSO ? for me i looking for 0%service charge , so it look profitable

Except another Financial Tsunami again the fund price drop below the normal new fund price. tongue.gif

happy investing in UT.
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 5 2013, 07:59 PM)
haha i see HAQ hold CCB in its top 10 holdings ma.. banking sector also drop..
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buy UT is the service charge low - then consider the yummy if the index go up.

Any fundsupermart fund recomend for PRS, then 0% service charge( sweat.gif my wet dream)? Want to reduce paying tax this year.
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post Mar 7 2013, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 7 2013, 03:43 PM)
That's the thing with those "thematic" funds, bankers and UT agents are very keen to hard-sell ppl esp inexperienced investors into those funds, usually without proper diversification and portfolio construction. See gold up, everyone buy gold and related investments. Then see IT boom, everyone jump into the bandwagon with all they had on IT stocks. Physical property also same, IMHO just a matter of time before it goes bust.
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remind me Titanic.

You jump i jump....

When come to business all juz follow the person jump in and invite other to join.

The last one go in will fall frm the peak.

Like UT agent want to sell hardcode fund, the customer will ask did the agent hv the same fund to proof of the agent confident to the fund.

Trust me, even my frienz/relative will ask what stock i/banker/broker bought they want to jump in the same stock.


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 10 2013, 04:48 PM)
Audit? blink.gif
What talk u? rclxub.gif
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pm your name and & IC to gark. He checking your networth. brows.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 10 2013, 05:12 PM)
He got jalan in Indenesia markets , mah.

Not matching lar , just a fair M & A Deal.

On Willing buyer and willing seller basis.
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Indonesia plantation billionaire daughter. Good investment;no need to plant & waiting the palm oil mature
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 10 2013, 05:20 PM)
Indon chinese high maintenance.  do not want sad.gif
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capital 50k ; reward is asset worth of billion - just need to said "Yes" & sign at Marriage Department.
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post Apr 10 2013, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 10 2013, 06:22 PM)
What you all talking about ah? Conspiracy againt me ah? doh.gif

So bad you all paint me in such bad light. rclxub.gif
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post Apr 12 2013, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(nothingz @ Apr 12 2013, 07:15 PM)
If N Korea really starts a war with US and S Korea, what will be the impact? Equities will go down, bonds will perform?
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Have to see what the impact of the missle. The missle hit direct to SEOUL, then alot fund company/investment/Insurance/Credit ..etc will calculate the loss incurr. Stock market trigger panic and Money will flowing outflow back.

Missle shoot more to few more big cities - totally is World Word 3 happen.
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notworthy.gif sky gor1809 notworthy.gif and notworthy.gif pink spider notworthy.gif ,

Both have your point & both you are sifu of sifu, basically i want to summarize is UT made attrative to uncle aunty and newbies know nuts of stock but trust those Fund manage to invest in their money in stock for return of investment gain.

1) No one point the gun to buy UT or Sifu can advice to buy which stock - Aunty Uncle and NewBies that dont know reading Financial Report so they rely on Fund Manage to the job . So Fund manager need salary for their duty the reason we hv service charge and annual fee.

2) UT come different fund theme and standard NAV which are affordable in term minimun investment compare stock.

3) UT is group of stock, the NAV wont Fluctuate so huge compare stock in single day, give peace of mind for aunty uncle & newbies sleep soundly every nite.

4) What UT fund manager do is pick the stock sync with theme either own country or mix of countries of thousand stock in the market.

5) UT distribution not same as dividend of the stock. Even some stock fly up before the ex date and drop later. Ppl juz want the dividend then dont want hold longer the stock. UT can disburse the dividend like stock, but UT hv financial closing and fixed date to declare the "Distribution" so call missunderstand "Dividend" , deduct from investment given away sure the total investment will drop then the NAV reflect will drop.

6) UT alwasy a long term investment. Left money pocket go in, right money go out.

forgive me... i said wrong and my infor give not the same thought. Im juz an IT wub.gif guy staying late at office answer both your vmad.gif argument.





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post Apr 13 2013, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 12 2013, 09:20 PM)
Kinda true like what u say UT is a very good tool for investments  , just that I do not agree with some people for giving misleading info about the performances of UT to impress others.

Frankly at  this point of time, I sold my UT and parked back to EPF account for capital protection with reasonable EPF dividend rates  of late. I am rather happy with EPF nowaday, and capital protection is my priority at the moment, which many UT cannot provide. Bonds come with the risks too these days.

1) I follow my own investment /asset allocation method to low yields with less risk like Cash, taking into the consideration of Malaysia and Overseas performances at the moment. It is  my own interpretation anyway.

2) As u may know I have invested in some other stocks too like Tambun and UEMland and so on. I would would continue to examine stocks with low PE come with a reasonable dividends yield with + - 5%. Eyeing on MBL and so on.

3) Even if reits fall to a attractive levels, I would pick up some along the way.

All in all, I think many markets could be peaking, with very fragile economy worldwide. I take the precautions and so on. Meanwhile waiting and reading more reports along the ways.

Well some people believe in "stay invested" no matter how, but I  go for asset allocations with some cash in hand /bonds/reits .

Well it is my plan. No problems if others want to buy more UT so long the old uncles and aunties are not misled.

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somtimes ppl said timing not good - but i would like said made own target price NAV or STOCK i want to enter, else my money park under bond or FD. Like wise during 2008/2009 financial crisis i got put my EPF investment to UT. Now gain 30% - 40% purchase @0.50NAV Public Mutual Regular Saving. I do invest other fund like OSKUOB AREF, this fund performance not so good for my case.

When come to opportunity is the person to take the risk to invest. Yes when i invest i do drop below the NAV i bought - slowly come up and above the NAV. Same to stock. Investor my evaluate is the TP or NAV of stock or UT is attractive level like sky 18909 mention.

What every go up can come down to NAV or Stock - all come to few below reason
1) Business failure - when come to crisis like renong 1997, AIG bailout ,alot business impacted when Too Big to Fall happen.
2) Investor play contra when one digging other stock hole to cover another hole. The not choice to sell their stock
3) Banking and Insurance & MNC are interlink to worldwide market, if one country hv flu their neighbour will get the same sickness.

Previously i invest in UT - now i hv opt to switch to stock becoz the my wisdom gain from sifu about that give me confident when and what to invest in stock.

When NAV drop becoz of market momentum bad we cant blame Fund manager for those aunty uncle and newbies not realise the prospetus mention the market momemtum drive the UT NAV. UT is a collection of stock of mix countries market of theme invested by fund manager. I do loss money in UT especially PCSF dam really upset me becoz montly i hv do DCA to break even and take myself to be PM agent to cover the clawback the service charge as comission

Buying stock or UT dont rush - no point chasing hight when come down up to individual to accept the capital loss. Juz wait the ccomfortable price to enter - else play short buy low and sell high later cut loss.

My theory may not work or agree by other which hv their own theory investing. It juz my way and juz my money.
Noting right or best - but up my fate to brass the stormy financialy & economy.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 13 2013, 10:50 AM)
You are right that the investors themselves are to be blamed. But on the other hand, not all UT managers are equally good. If they are good, some in 1, 3 or 5 years, not across the board type. So efforts must be made to evaluate them to your own needs and so on.

Just to give an example, I was very hesitated when PM China funds were selling like hot cakes because at that moment of time, I thought Chinese  economy needed to cool down a lot ( through active forum discussions and so on ). So I went for PM  Consumer Theme fund which I thought should do well then ( Year 2009 or so ).

Nowaday, I try not to follow herd behaviors , but do things a bit here and there on my own.

And also some times I may think the markets should move up, but funds managers  decided to keep a big portion of the money collected in their cash accounts.  Again , I feel quite frustrated .

And the other thing , most funds would  like to stay put in the same stocks for a long time wise collecting good management fees without doing further researches.

They may sell me the concept of long term, but to me they are overpaid and under work ( just my thinking  only ). And again sometimes they prefer to keep about 40% cash then ?

Well, once u are graduating in the markets with your own mindsets, then u would not just " Listen, Listen and Listen " only.

Brother, I also want u to progress well in this manner too. Once you are doing well, you would not have to listen to all the callings to buy, you analyse facts and figures and economies and so on.

All the best.
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thats why must READ FORUM LOWYAT - FINANCE, BUSINESS & INVESTMENT.
made own judgment what to pick.
UT FUND MANAGER never guarantee return
never Trust Research IB TP calling buy or sell.

:nod:Boring reach office after lunch filling income tax. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 12:18 PM)
Oh sifu!  notworthy.gif

Teach me how to play UT.. I also newbie... blush.gif
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Im not sifu, juz luckily and stupid UT investor.

my concept different other like pxxk sxxxxr or wxxxxxxxxxxg. i top up after distribution 1-2 month.
Buy new fund or fund NAV below the launching NAV. Any above NAV launching not interest juz wait for crisis or put in BOND fund.
I didnt calculate which fund history result of XIRR or ROI.

I have few fund at Public Mutual , did the repeat cycle during 2007- 2011 for equity fund.
Now juz i move 60% to bond fund left 40% in equity. I didnt do any transaction to PM anymore.
Becoz i purchase a condo, that my PM as my emergency money reserve paying 1/4 loan.

I move UT to STOCK counter like reits & telco. 2011 is full time saving/investing in stock counter only.

What i interest is Fund Interim report show their purchase price of the stock.

My stock return is better than UT. becoz I know what the big fund holding price.





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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 12:35 PM)
No not ETF.. UT lor...

Ya lor I see so high performance.. i also scared.. buts seems legit.. cause morningstar give 5 star.  sweat.gif

Gains since Inception (1997) = 5,578.38%.... drool.gif
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UT for aunty uncle and newbies that dont read Financial Report or knowing any stock in the market.

Very long long term one.

I believe gark/sky gor skill at stock is outperform those UT fund manager. - knowing when to cut loss and which stock can go up.

The power of capital guarantee and capital gain with dividend by lowyat forum sifu stock.
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 12:41 PM)
Largest monthly gain = 54.91%
Largest monthly loss = -30.08%

Dare buy ah?  sweat.gif Super volatile...
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i trust.....you leh. 0% service charge and 0% annual fee.
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 01:01 PM)
Skeptical?  laugh.gif Read further...
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Nope, i know you more than those UT fund manager.
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 01:02 PM)
I think how good stock trading also cannot beat this UT 300% gain in 5 years...5000% gain in 16 years...average annualized gain is 26% p.a.  sweat.gif
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haha. never see my OSKUOB-aref bought since 2007 got any return. U believe ?

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