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 Fundsupermart.com v2, Learn about DIY unit trust investing

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SKY 1809
post Apr 13 2013, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 12:29 PM)
No lah ... want to learn earn a bit of KFC from sifu here mah... sweat.gif

Recently saw 1 UT...0.5% management fee, 2% purchase fee... 5 years gain = 332.76%... YTD (3 months) = 14.73%.

Seems like gooding?  sweat.gif Scared to buy... laugh.gif
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Private Investment Funds in US do pretty well too.


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post Apr 13 2013, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 13 2013, 02:22 PM)
Private Investment Funds in US do pretty well too.
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U mean hedge funds? Need to be accredited investor.. minimum 1 mil USD. Sinkapor also got... laugh.gif
SKY 1809
post Apr 13 2013, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 02:32 PM)
U mean hedge funds? Need to be accredited investor.. minimum 1 mil USD. Sinkapor also got... laugh.gif
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Well if they can really perform, then money is not an issue to you.
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post Apr 13 2013, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 13 2013, 02:34 PM)
Well if they can really perform, then money is not an issue to you.
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Madoff also run a hedge fund...
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post Apr 13 2013, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 02:37 PM)
Madoff also run a hedge fund...
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m'sia dont hv ..gark and sky gor can open fund company at m'sia.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 13 2013, 02:40 PM)
m'sia dont hv ..gark and sky gor can open fund company at m'sia.
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Well, I can perform up to Pasar Malam Level, whereas Gark is at International Standard.

There is a big diff to manage a small pool of fund vs a huge pool of money. notworthy.gif

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post Apr 13 2013, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 13 2013, 01:33 PM)
do hv the list which fund manger is good? or you follow fund supermart recomended fund?
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I do my own screening.
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post Apr 13 2013, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 13 2013, 02:43 PM)
Well, I can perform up to Pasar Malam Level, whereas Gark is at International Standard.

There is a big diff to manage a small pool of fund vs a huge pool of money. notworthy.gif
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sikit sikit lama lama jadi bukit. What th concern small and huge pool.

Even a rat can take down huge elephant.

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post Apr 13 2013, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 13 2013, 02:54 PM)
I do my own screening.
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what main info important?
Asset Class
General
Geographical Allocation
Historical Dividend,NAV



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QUOTE(kangwoo @ Apr 13 2013, 09:23 PM)
what main info important?
Asset Class
General
Geographical Allocation
Historical Dividend,NAV
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1) Decide on asset allocation - how much for bond? how much for equity?
2) Decide on region allocation
3) Review list of funds available for each class of fund

I look at:
- Sharpe ratio
- Lipper rating
- Historical performance compared against BENCHMARK and PEERS; absolute performance is meaningless IMHO, I want to see relative performance
(how it behaves in a rally? how well it hold up in a market freefall?)

Dividends distributions and NAV are irrelevant for reasons mentioned at Post #1 and I'm not gonna repeat here. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 13 2013, 10:41 PM

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Let's take OSK-UOB SMART BALANCED FUND VS AMBALANCED.

OUSBF has lower risk-adjusted return, (meaning can't hold up well in rally market?) and more volatile (larger NAV price swing) compared to AmBalanced.

Furthermore, OUSBF generates lesser returns by 1.2% compared to Ambalanced and it is not worth to invest in OUSBF due to higher volatilty. Conclusion, go for Ambalanced?


P.S Learning process, tutorial on saturday night about unit trust blush.gif


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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Apr 13 2013, 10:41 PM)
Let's take OSK-UOB SMART BALANCED FUND VS AMBALANCED.

OUSBF has lower risk-adjusted return, (meaning can't hold up well in rally market?)  and more volatile (larger NAV price swing) compared to AmBalanced.

Furthermore, OUSBF generates lesser returns by 1.2% compared to Ambalanced and it is not worth to invest in OUSBF due to higher volatilty. Conclusion, go for Ambalanced?
P.S Learning process, tutorial on saturday night about unit trust  blush.gif
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Risk-adjusted returns/Sharpe ratio basically tells u about whether the risks the fund took has been worthwhile. In layman terms, if u increase your risk by 10%, basically u should have additional potential gains of 10% of more. That's the theory behind it. If u wanna know the detailed formula and calculation, please Wiki or google it. tongue.gif

Actually its quite logical, OUSMF has significant exposure in small-mid cap, whereas AmBalanced is a conventional balanced fund.

Lower risk-adjusted return does not necessarily mean it can't hold up well in a rally...wait, u typo error ka? blink.gif
It can mean the fund in a rally goes up, but when the market falls it could not hold up, falls more than market.
It can also mean when market drops it can hold up, but when market rallies it lags behind.

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post Apr 13 2013, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Apr 13 2013, 10:41 PM)
P.S Learning process, tutorial on saturday night about unit trust  blush.gif
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No need to think so much. Buy money market fund, guaranteed satisfaction. laugh.gif
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post Apr 14 2013, 01:23 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 13 2013, 11:20 PM)
No need to think so much. Buy money market fund, guaranteed satisfaction. laugh.gif
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post Apr 14 2013, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(edwardSL @ Apr 13 2013, 08:49 AM)
Does anyone know what happen to ambond?? Suddenly a sharp drop -1.18%
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It maybe their pay distribution..

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post Apr 14 2013, 07:29 PM

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I am back.. Mia last week.. tongue.gif

Anybody going to top up or buy for the 5 star region promotion which will end comming Friday?
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post Apr 14 2013, 07:42 PM

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I topped up 1 day before their promotion. Need wait next month hehe.

P.s asia pac ex jap and emerging market still undervalue? Consider to focus both areas more


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I'm still considering Hwang AQF
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 14 2013, 07:29 PM)
I am back.. Mia last week.. tongue.gif

Anybody going to top up or buy for the 5 star region promotion which will end comming Friday?
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I'm topping up AmAsia Pac REITs, EI AP Shariah, EI GEM, Hwang AQ, OSK-UOB EM Bond, OSK-UOB Global Equity Yield and Pacific Global Stars next week...under Transfer-In programme brows.gif

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post Apr 14 2013, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Apr 14 2013, 08:42 PM)
I topped up 1 day before their promotion. Need wait next month hehe.

P.s asia pac ex jap and emerging market still undervalue? Consider to focus both areas more
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Ya.. Asia ex japan and global emerging market still consider cheap. They said china is more cheap..

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