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kangwoo
post Mar 24 2013, 10:32 PM

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for unit trust, we invest big amount of money or we put little by little better?

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post Mar 26 2013, 09:09 PM

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what is advantage invest through FSM compare to banks? lower sale charge?
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post Mar 28 2013, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 26 2013, 09:10 PM)
That's for sure. 2% top vs 5.5-6.5%
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 26 2013, 09:21 PM)
Lower Sales Charges definitely as what David83 said.

At first it might seems to be a challenge due to not having an agent/customer service officer hard selling guiding you thru the process; with FSM, you yourself have to pick the fund(s), decide on how much to invest, when to invest etc.

But FSM has 2 very helpful services that I can confidently vouch for, their service quality and knowledge are miles better than what I used to get from bank-based people, whom I feel is more sales-focused than service-focused:
(1) Live Help - you can chat with a FSM officer online during office hours to ask for help on practically anything other than investment ideas.
(2) Client Investment Specialists - if you need investing ideas, they are the ones you can talk to. The usual means of communication with them is thru e-mail. Or you can leave your number with them, they will call you at a time convenient to you.

After some time, you will learn more, and become a more independent and knowledgeable investor. And its not really that hard. nod.gif
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never tried the chat doh.gif and specialist doh.gif doh.gif
the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee

but since fsm sales charges lower, use fsm for osk funds, while clicks for cimb

why no publicmutual fund in fsm?
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post Mar 28 2013, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 28 2013, 07:00 AM)
er... sorry to butt in.
U may want to note down the particulars of the bank's employees that stated "the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee" and ask to see their supervisor for misselling or at the very least, misinformation.

IF FSM sells their bank's products,
FSM just acts like a "Unit Trust Consultant", albeit a corporate version (pls Google CUTA for more details) rather than an individual/person,
it is the bank / fund house that one buys from & holds unit trusts in.

Is it safer to buy from an individual/person UTC or corporate UTC?
Is there any difference in holding unit trusts sold by a bank via an individual/person UTC VS. via a corporate UTC?

Bottom line:
FSM is NOT the fund house that one buys unit trusts from.
FSM represents several fund houses and sells for them, akin to individual/person UTC (unit trust cconsultant).

Thus, how does "the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee" come into play?
Payment processing ar?
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no need to sorry...tq for sharing the info
just the bank ppl in the bank doh.gif claimed if fsm, goes burst the investor will lose all money. but since many ppl using fsm and lower sales rates, fsm is better choice for small fish like me

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 28 2013, 07:54 AM)
Bank is an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser, FSM also same, i.e. they're both AGENTS distributing the funds as what wongmunkeong said.

Unit trusts are not guaranteed in any way FYI, buy the wrong funds at the wrong timing, u can lose your pants even if u buy from bank, cos its an investment, not a deposit. tongue.gif

Fund Houses are getting more and more supportive of FSM, as can be seen from their participation in FSM functions.

Terminology:
Fund House - the entity that manages unit trust funds, e.g. Hwang Investment Management, AmInvestment, Pheim Investment etc

Public Mutual got their own agency force, if they were to allow FSM to sell their funds at 2%, their agents gonna be out of job
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maybe fsm can get some PM funds. other fund house has no agency? like rhb, cimb?

QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 28 2013, 10:41 AM)
It is Hwang Select Income OR Hwang Aiiman Select Income?
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hwang aiiman too static vmad.gif
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post Mar 28 2013, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 28 2013, 08:52 PM)
Website maintenance I think, it looked different.
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yes so different...
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QUOTE(howszat @ Mar 28 2013, 08:57 PM)
So you can view by Fund Name?

Mine shows nothing but the header for that page.
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same here icon_question.gif
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post Mar 30 2013, 01:07 PM

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my funds :

OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust 22.37%
OSK-UOB Growth And Income Focus Trust 16.66%
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust 32.77%
OSK-UOB Smart Balanced Fund 16.49%
OSK-UOB Smart Income Fund 11.71%

ok? icon_question.gif
plan to transfer Smart Balanced & Smart Income to Emerging Opportunity & KidSave
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post Mar 31 2013, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 30 2013, 01:11 PM)
Wow.. ur OSK supporter yeah!! Mostly alll Malaysia focus.. need regional exposure
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have CIMB-PRINCIPAL AUSTRALIAN EQUITY FUND & CIMB-PRINCIPAL ASIA PACIFIC DYNAMIC INCOME FUND but in clicks


QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 30 2013, 01:19 PM)
Too many mixed assets/balanced funds shakehead.gif

U are like, having 3 butcher knifes but no spoon and fork in your kitchen laugh.gif
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has CIMB-PRINCIPAL BOND FUND in clicks

shouldnt mixed/balance moderate risk compare to equity? from fsm&clicks, overall mixed/balance 25%, bond 10%, the rest equity.
not sure the best ratio diverst


QUOTE(gark @ Mar 30 2013, 01:53 PM)
All the same holdings, you need to diversify all your risk. You are having 5 eggs in one basket. You need to have 5 eggs in 5 basket... tongue.gif
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2 fund houses doh.gif cimb and osk

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post Mar 31 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 31 2013, 09:21 AM)
Icic.. I dont have tax liability in Malaysia, I have 0 KWSP contribution  cry.gif
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maybe u can put epf by ur own...get the dividend

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 10:31 AM)
IMHO, balanced funds are for "lazy" investors or investors with little capital and wants diversification.

If u can afford to invest in that many funds, u can create your own DIY "balanced"portfolio, e.g. have 50% in bond funds, 50% in equity funds, and perform quarterly re-balancing. Theoretically (and if done correctly), that should give u better returns from investing in balanced funds.
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dont have enough modal sad.gif total UT just belasan ribu cry.gif
overall equity 2/3, mixed-balance 1/4, rest bond
my 4 best UT fund are cimb australia, cimb small cap, osk kidsave, osk emerging opp



since i monthly put money into UT, can get personal rebate/relieve for amount of money i have put into UT? know dividend gets rebate
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post Mar 31 2013, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 04:15 PM)
Belasan ribu dah cukup la...
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small2 kid level only

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post Mar 31 2013, 06:47 PM

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1k per fund ok? thought at least 5k per fund to see the profit
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post Mar 31 2013, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 07:08 PM)
Profitability is only meaningful on a relative basis.

U invest 5K in a fund and made 10% i.e. RM500
U invest 1K in five different funds, some made money, some lose money, total net return is 10% i.e. RM500

Ada beza?
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QUOTE(wwl86 @ Mar 31 2013, 07:19 PM)
As @pinkspider mentioned, have a mixed of fund sometimes is better than 5k in just one fund
Who know that particular give low profit while others are giving comparatively better returns.
And due to limited resources ($$), we just opted for one fund. Opportunity cost...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 07:35 PM)
Yes. That's why I always review my investment performance on a portfolio basis, i.e. I won't worry if 1-2 funds are making losses, if the portfolio as a whole is delivering the returns. Who knows when the other funds drop, the 1-2 will be there to stabilise the portfolio returns? nod.gif
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for fsm funds, i started with rm200 each (minimum req)..5 funds..so rm1000...then when fund started make better return, i topup that particular funds...kidsave and emerging opp...kidsave and emerging more than 1k...the rest below 1k

for clicks, started with minimum req 1k each...same case with fsm funds..topup which give better return...australia now 3k, small cap almost 2k...the rest still yet to be topup doh.gif

currently australia growth 15%, small cap growth 9%, while osk funds just gave dividend so the growth still unsure sad.gif
most of time +return...if -return, still keeping but no topup doh.gif
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post Apr 2 2013, 11:14 AM

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wasnt silver member gets more discount
dun think i will be able archieve silver

hw much min for hwang q?


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post Apr 2 2013, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 2 2013, 11:59 AM)
Hwang funds, minimum initial purchase: RM1,000

Silver only RM50,000...rajin sikit jimat n invest icon_idea.gif
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not bigmama can menabung dari kecil until beli berlian

QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 2 2013, 04:54 PM)
Silver is achievable for those who really pick UT as their investment... no prob, you will be there soon. Keep it up...
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maybe in 10years...no modal
usually topup RM203 barely above minimum

QUOTE(bios @ Apr 2 2013, 05:55 PM)
dear guys
bad news
CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund big drop!!!
Almost 5.4% !!!
sob sob sob....
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bought 2weeks ago and -ROI cry.gif

CIMB-PRINCIPAL SMALL CAP FUND 5.93
CIMB-PRINCIPAL AUSTRALIAN EQUITY FUND 13.13 thumbup.gif
CIMB-PRINCIPAL ASIA PACIFIC DYNAMIC INCOME FUND -1.62 cry.gif
CIMB-PRINCIPAL BOND FUND 2.43
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity 0.54
OSK-UOB Growth And Income Focus 3.25
OSK-UOB KidSave -5.27 cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
OSK-UOB Smart Balanced 1.81
OSK-UOB Smart Income -4.31 cry.gif

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post Apr 2 2013, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Apr 2 2013, 08:56 PM)
Those 3 -ve funds having distribution pay out...

like previously mention by sifu here, if got distribution better put on hold the tracking of daily NAV value till FSM have updated ur a/c with units reinvested back to ur fund...
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 2 2013, 09:28 PM)
...the non-sifu mentioned is damn Pinky blush.gif

Just freeze NAV at last day before distribution, i.e. the cum-date. Cum... doh.gif  laugh.gif
Let's just say freeze NAV at the day immediately before ex-date tongue.gif

This way, the fund having distribution won't mess up your portfolio IRR and ROI while waiting for distribution units to be credited.
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emerging opp
kidsave
smart income

yes, they just had their dividend but still not update in FSM
kidsave and smart income still -ROI while emerging opp already +ROI
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post Apr 3 2013, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 2 2013, 10:25 PM)
2 weeks ago u buy ur funds can drop/increase so many a?
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asia pacific dynamic bought 2 weeks ago...the rest 1 year ago

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post Apr 4 2013, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 4 2013, 10:11 PM)
For everyone's reference, here's the region breakdown of my equity funds.
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how make this pie chart according to geo allocation icon_question.gif

fsm only by asset allo and fund name
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post Apr 4 2013, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 4 2013, 11:20 PM)
Fact sheet of the funds got region breakdown ma...

E.g. I got 18% in Hwang AQ, it has 30% in Malaysia, so it'd be 30% x 18% = 5.4%. Sum up for all funds by region, link to a chart...BINGO! biggrin.gif
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where can find region breakdown? 'DIMyseld' pie chart? thought can get that in fsm doh.gif
my funds in fsm all mlysia cry.gif
need to buy new funds

while funds in clicks are asia ex japan, australia, malaysia



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post Apr 5 2013, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 4 2013, 11:42 PM)
Fund fact sheet will tell 2 breakdown information:

Country Allocation and Asset Allocation.

Next, it'll show you top 5/10 holdings.
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top 5/10 holdings? cant see

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 4 2013, 11:48 PM)

Create bene a/c lo, simple. If u open normal a/c, u RIP, ur wife has to go thru court process etc etc etc, more work. Similar to bank account too.
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dont see beneficiary account icon_question.gif
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post Apr 11 2013, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:21 PM)
Now dividend announcement page at FSM got display gross distribution and net distribution already, we can calculate the distribution ourselves rather than wait for the dividend e-mail rclxms.gif
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yes finally my funds +gain rclxm9.gif small2 capital

OSK-UOB Smart Income Fund RM 36.39 Dividend = 9%
OSK-UOB KidSave Trust RM 162.89 Dividend =13.5%
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust RM 85.86 Dividend =11%


how much to you target for your funds?

bond : 7%
balance : 9%
equity : 11%

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post Apr 11 2013, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:52 PM)
I don't really set individual target for different class of funds. For me, as long as my portfolio as a whole beats EPF, I'm happy.

OSK-UOB Income Fund kena quite a lot of tax (or maybe expenses?)...gross RM0.07, net RM0.06. That's RM180+ of income "lost" mad.gif
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how do we know the tax?


QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:58 PM)
Eh, Smart Income Fund is not really a bond fund...it can have up to 30% exposure in small-mid cap Malaysian equities, u aware of that? unsure.gif
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balance fund rite...only hav 1 bond...cimp principal bond rm65.... 5.5% ...less than epf




if bought fund a few days before expire date, entitle for dividend?

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