for unit trust, we invest big amount of money or we put little by little better?
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Fundsupermart.com v2, Learn about DIY unit trust investing
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Mar 24 2013, 10:32 PM
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for unit trust, we invest big amount of money or we put little by little better?
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Mar 26 2013, 09:09 PM
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what is advantage invest through FSM compare to banks? lower sale charge?
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Mar 28 2013, 01:47 AM
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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 26 2013, 09:10 PM) QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 26 2013, 09:21 PM) Lower Sales Charges definitely as what David83 said. never tried the chat At first it might seems to be a challenge due to not having an agent/customer service officer But FSM has 2 very helpful services that I can confidently vouch for, their service quality and knowledge are miles better than what I used to get from bank-based people, whom I feel is more sales-focused than service-focused: (1) Live Help - you can chat with a FSM officer online during office hours to ask for help on practically anything other than investment ideas. (2) Client Investment Specialists - if you need investing ideas, they are the ones you can talk to. The usual means of communication with them is thru e-mail. Or you can leave your number with them, they will call you at a time convenient to you. After some time, you will learn more, and become a more independent and knowledgeable investor. And its not really that hard. the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee but since fsm sales charges lower, use fsm for osk funds, while clicks for cimb why no publicmutual fund in fsm? |
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Mar 28 2013, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 28 2013, 07:00 AM) er... sorry to butt in. U may want to note down the particulars of the bank's employees that stated "the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee" and ask to see their supervisor for misselling or at the very least, misinformation. IF FSM sells their bank's products, FSM just acts like a "Unit Trust Consultant", albeit a corporate version (pls Google CUTA for more details) rather than an individual/person, it is the bank / fund house that one buys from & holds unit trusts in. Is it safer to buy from an individual/person UTC or corporate UTC? Is there any difference in holding unit trusts sold by a bank via an individual/person UTC VS. via a corporate UTC? Bottom line: FSM is NOT the fund house that one buys unit trusts from. FSM represents several fund houses and sells for them, akin to individual/person UTC (unit trust cconsultant). Thus, how does "the bank ppl told their advantage is they are secure. fsm not secure/guarantee" come into play? Payment processing ar? no need to sorry...tq for sharing the info just the bank ppl in the bank QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 28 2013, 07:54 AM) Bank is an Institutional Unit Trust Adviser, FSM also same, i.e. they're both AGENTS distributing the funds as what wongmunkeong said. maybe fsm can get some PM funds. other fund house has no agency? like rhb, cimb?Unit trusts are not guaranteed in any way FYI, buy the wrong funds at the wrong timing, u can lose your pants even if u buy from bank, cos its an investment, not a deposit. Fund Houses are getting more and more supportive of FSM, as can be seen from their participation in FSM functions. Terminology: Fund House - the entity that manages unit trust funds, e.g. Hwang Investment Management, AmInvestment, Pheim Investment etc Public Mutual got their own agency force, if they were to allow FSM to sell their funds at 2%, their agents gonna be out of job QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 28 2013, 10:41 AM) hwang aiiman too static |
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Mar 28 2013, 09:27 PM
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Mar 30 2013, 01:07 PM
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my funds :
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust 22.37% OSK-UOB Growth And Income Focus Trust 16.66% OSK-UOB KidSave Trust 32.77% OSK-UOB Smart Balanced Fund 16.49% OSK-UOB Smart Income Fund 11.71% ok? plan to transfer Smart Balanced & Smart Income to Emerging Opportunity & KidSave |
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Mar 31 2013, 03:05 AM
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Mar 30 2013, 01:11 PM) have CIMB-PRINCIPAL AUSTRALIAN EQUITY FUND & CIMB-PRINCIPAL ASIA PACIFIC DYNAMIC INCOME FUND but in clicksQUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 30 2013, 01:19 PM) Too many mixed assets/balanced funds has CIMB-PRINCIPAL BOND FUND in clicksU are like, having 3 butcher knifes but no spoon and fork in your kitchen shouldnt mixed/balance moderate risk compare to equity? from fsm&clicks, overall mixed/balance 25%, bond 10%, the rest equity. not sure the best ratio diverst QUOTE(gark @ Mar 30 2013, 01:53 PM) All the same holdings, you need to diversify all your risk. You are having 5 eggs in one basket. You need to have 5 eggs in 5 basket... 2 fund houses This post has been edited by kangwoo: Mar 31 2013, 03:20 AM |
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Mar 31 2013, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Mar 31 2013, 09:21 AM) maybe u can put epf by ur own...get the dividendQUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 10:31 AM) IMHO, balanced funds are for "lazy" investors or investors with little capital and wants diversification. dont have enough modal If u can afford to invest in that many funds, u can create your own DIY "balanced"portfolio, e.g. have 50% in bond funds, 50% in equity funds, and perform quarterly re-balancing. Theoretically (and if done correctly), that should give u better returns from investing in balanced funds. overall equity 2/3, mixed-balance 1/4, rest bond my 4 best UT fund are cimb australia, cimb small cap, osk kidsave, osk emerging opp since i monthly put money into UT, can get personal rebate/relieve for amount of money i have put into UT? know dividend gets rebate |
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Mar 31 2013, 04:31 PM
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Mar 31 2013, 06:47 PM
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1k per fund ok? thought at least 5k per fund to see the profit
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Mar 31 2013, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 07:08 PM) Profitability is only meaningful on a relative basis. U invest 5K in a fund and made 10% i.e. RM500 U invest 1K in five different funds, some made money, some lose money, total net return is 10% i.e. RM500 Ada beza? QUOTE(wwl86 @ Mar 31 2013, 07:19 PM) As @pinkspider mentioned, have a mixed of fund sometimes is better than 5k in just one fund Who know that particular give low profit while others are giving comparatively better returns. And due to limited resources ($$), we just opted for one fund. Opportunity cost... QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 31 2013, 07:35 PM) Yes. That's why I always review my investment performance on a portfolio basis, i.e. I won't worry if 1-2 funds are making losses, if the portfolio as a whole is delivering the returns. Who knows when the other funds drop, the 1-2 will be there to stabilise the portfolio returns? for fsm funds, i started with rm200 each (minimum req)..5 funds..so rm1000...then when fund started make better return, i topup that particular funds...kidsave and emerging opp...kidsave and emerging more than 1k...the rest below 1kfor clicks, started with minimum req 1k each...same case with fsm funds..topup which give better return...australia now 3k, small cap almost 2k...the rest still yet to be topup currently australia growth 15%, small cap growth 9%, while osk funds just gave dividend so the growth still unsure most of time +return...if -return, still keeping but no topup |
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Apr 2 2013, 11:14 AM
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wasnt silver member gets more discount
dun think i will be able archieve silver hw much min for hwang q? This post has been edited by kangwoo: Apr 2 2013, 11:16 AM |
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Apr 2 2013, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 2 2013, 11:59 AM) not bigmama can menabung dari kecil until beli berlianQUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 2 2013, 04:54 PM) Silver is achievable for those who really pick UT as their investment... no prob, you will be there soon. Keep it up... maybe in 10years...no modalusually topup RM203 barely above minimum QUOTE(bios @ Apr 2 2013, 05:55 PM) dear guys bought 2weeks ago and -ROI bad news CIMB Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund big drop!!! Almost 5.4% !!! sob sob sob.... CIMB-PRINCIPAL SMALL CAP FUND 5.93 CIMB-PRINCIPAL AUSTRALIAN EQUITY FUND 13.13 CIMB-PRINCIPAL ASIA PACIFIC DYNAMIC INCOME FUND -1.62 CIMB-PRINCIPAL BOND FUND 2.43 OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity 0.54 OSK-UOB Growth And Income Focus 3.25 OSK-UOB KidSave -5.27 OSK-UOB Smart Balanced 1.81 OSK-UOB Smart Income -4.31 This post has been edited by kangwoo: Apr 2 2013, 08:34 PM |
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Apr 2 2013, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Apr 2 2013, 08:56 PM) Those 3 -ve funds having distribution pay out... like previously mention by sifu here, if got distribution better put on hold the tracking of daily NAV value till FSM have updated ur a/c with units reinvested back to ur fund... QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 2 2013, 09:28 PM) ...the non-sifu mentioned is damn Pinky emerging oppJust freeze NAV at last day before distribution, i.e. the cum-date. Cum... Let's just say freeze NAV at the day immediately before ex-date This way, the fund having distribution won't mess up your portfolio IRR and ROI while waiting for distribution units to be credited. kidsave smart income yes, they just had their dividend but still not update in FSM kidsave and smart income still -ROI while emerging opp already +ROI |
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Apr 3 2013, 01:12 AM
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Apr 4 2013, 11:01 PM
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Apr 4 2013, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 4 2013, 11:20 PM) Fact sheet of the funds got region breakdown ma... where can find region breakdown? 'DIMyseld' pie chart? thought can get that in fsm E.g. I got 18% in Hwang AQ, it has 30% in Malaysia, so it'd be 30% x 18% = 5.4%. Sum up for all funds by region, link to a chart...BINGO! my funds in fsm all mlysia need to buy new funds while funds in clicks are asia ex japan, australia, malaysia This post has been edited by kangwoo: Apr 4 2013, 11:40 PM |
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Apr 5 2013, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 4 2013, 11:42 PM) Fund fact sheet will tell 2 breakdown information: top 5/10 holdings? cant seeCountry Allocation and Asset Allocation. Next, it'll show you top 5/10 holdings. QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 4 2013, 11:48 PM) Create bene a/c lo, simple. If u open normal a/c, u RIP, ur wife has to go thru court process etc etc etc, more work. Similar to bank account too. |
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Apr 11 2013, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:21 PM) Now dividend announcement page at FSM got display gross distribution and net distribution already, we can calculate the distribution ourselves rather than wait for the dividend e-mail yes finally my funds +gain OSK-UOB Smart Income Fund RM 36.39 Dividend = 9% OSK-UOB KidSave Trust RM 162.89 Dividend =13.5% OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust RM 85.86 Dividend =11% how much to you target for your funds? bond : 7% balance : 9% equity : 11% This post has been edited by kangwoo: Apr 11 2013, 11:24 PM |
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Apr 11 2013, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:52 PM) I don't really set individual target for different class of funds. For me, as long as my portfolio as a whole beats EPF, I'm happy. how do we know the tax?OSK-UOB Income Fund kena quite a lot of tax (or maybe expenses?)...gross RM0.07, net RM0.06. That's RM180+ of income "lost" QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 11 2013, 10:58 PM) Eh, Smart Income Fund is not really a bond fund...it can have up to 30% exposure in small-mid cap Malaysian equities, u aware of that? balance fund rite...only hav 1 bond...cimp principal bond rm65.... 5.5% ...less than epfif bought fund a few days before expire date, entitle for dividend? This post has been edited by kangwoo: Apr 11 2013, 11:10 PM |
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