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 Proton PrevĂ© V16, I'm proven. Et vous?

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post Nov 17 2012, 08:08 PM

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Nice explanation mat79, thanks. Learnt alot from you.
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Nov 17 2012, 12:40 PM)
metaled and ben3003,

Please refer to this guide below.

Preve Engine Mounting Mod

Credit to Lim Eu Bian for preparing the slides.
This mount can be done to many cars, as long as you can slip the fuel inside in between the gap.  thumbup.gif
Do check Prevoc.Org and Prevoc Facebook Group for the latest updates.
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A lot like the "timing belt" trick on 4G15 mountings tongue.gif Nice one... just make sure you secure the fuel line properly or it might end up somewhere... err... "undesirable" unsure.gif
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post Nov 17 2012, 11:55 PM

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so does this ecu update is officially announced by proton edar? and can it be done at any proton edar service centre? im from melaka and has anyone hear update their ecu here?
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post Nov 18 2012, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 17 2012, 06:59 PM)

on tcu n ecu adaptive programme, it will learn through out ur driving to set the most balance between power n fc. Of course, it can change anytime when u change ur driving style, but that is depend on ur throttle input n etc. But the key word is the balance. All the adaptive pattern is save in the ecu n tcu rom. It wont reset if turn off the key coz it will save it. For ur daily driving alone, the ecu n tcu will recognize ur driving pattern n try to give u the best balance. But if somebody drive ur car n have diff driving pattern, it will be in free mode(without erasing previous data of course@reset),depend on input, load, condition n etc. Unless the other driver drive it for along time, then it will save another set of perimeter to suit the best. Thats why everybody wont get the same fc, even driving on the same route, n the response also diff to diff car n owner. If the owner is an agressive driver, it will suit itself to give the best efficient between power n fc.

Its hard to explain coz if driving manual, only ecu involve, shifting pattern is manual as the owner is the one slotting the gear. But this involve another set of ai which is tcu. While fix auto has fixed gear, not many alteration can be done through adaptive, but cvt is totally diff. Ratio is wide n stepless. It can jump@skip to any ratio depend on drivers need. Its a complex alogarithm.

Yup, u can talk to the malaysian pug technician, but u need to remeber, they only from the slide, they dont involve in the pwrtrain rnd. Not saying they are not good, but for any technician, they dont need some deep info@knowledge coz they r train to do service, repair n update as instructed, not doing the mechanical development or software elements.

There's diff between engineer n technician. Engineer may not capable to service ur car, but they know their specific related field such as software engineer. But tech can service ur car, but they dont know how to do programming.
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Thanks for your detailed explain, mat79, I learn a lot from you! This is exactly what I want to know. notworthy.gif
Nope, I'm not talking to Peugeot technician, even worse, it's a salesman that told me this.
If you said some technician / engineer don't know something not on their field, I believe a salesman even know the least. laugh.gif
It's just without knowledge in all these, I just find his story make more sense... until you told us all the detail, now I know it can actually work quite intelligently. rclxms.gif


QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 17 2012, 07:13 PM)

i think, the best way is to compare microsoft software engineer who develop wondows n those developer who creating another software@games based on windows programming n also those who called computer technician who repair the pc problems like reformatting n etc.
Any comp technician can repair pc problems, but they dont know to do programming. While developer, they do programming, based on windows code supply by original software developer that is microsoft. N the code is create by microsoft engineer.

Same as ecu n tcu. Original source@code is create by conti n punch. Prtn engineer is creating their own database based on conti n punch coding, n to integrate the database, they need to consult with the original provider. N technician, of course, only implementing that has been design.

Everybody has their own work to do. The diff between oem racing development such r3 n other street tuners is that some of the r3 members are engineers, some are technicians.

While the street tuners searching for most out right power coz for them bigger is better, but for oem tuners such r3, the key word is balance with precise calculation using engineering knowledge. The can build engine from scratch, but tuners, just used ready made parts n engine. Mix n match.

The most powerfull car dont win u a race, but the most balance car will.
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Yup! This is like, KFC outlet staffs know how to fried a chicken, but they may know nothing about chicken slaughter. laugh.gif






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QUOTE(sp3d2 @ Nov 17 2012, 11:55 PM)
so does this ecu update is officially announced by proton edar? and can it be done at any proton edar service centre? im from melaka and has anyone hear update their ecu here?
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Melaka

26. Melaka Service Centre (Proton Edar)

27. Edaran One Step (Proton Edar)

28. Dynamic Lure Service Centre (Proton Edar)

29. EON Melaka


Do google for the address and phone number, all the best bro in making an appointment for new ECU/TCU/Radio mapping
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post Nov 18 2012, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Nov 17 2012, 06:59 PM)
on tcu n ecu adaptive programme, it will learn through out ur driving to set the most balance between power n fc. Of course, it can change anytime when u change ur driving style, but that is depend on ur throttle input n etc. But the key word is the balance. All the adaptive pattern is save in the ecu n tcu rom. It wont reset if turn off the key coz it will save it. For ur daily driving alone, the ecu n tcu will recognize ur driving pattern n try to give u the best balance. But if somebody drive ur car n have diff driving pattern, it will be in free mode(without erasing previous data of course@reset),depend on input, load, condition n etc. Unless the other driver drive it for along time, then it will save another set of perimeter to suit the best. Thats why everybody wont get the same fc, even driving on the same route, n the response also diff to diff car n owner. If the owner is an agressive driver, it will suit itself to give the best efficient between power n fc.

Its hard to explain coz if driving manual, only ecu involve, shifting pattern is manual as the owner is the one slotting the gear. But this involve another set of ai which is tcu. While fix auto has fixed gear, not many alteration can be done through adaptive, but cvt is totally diff. Ratio is wide n stepless. It can jump@skip to any ratio depend on drivers need. Its a complex alogarithm.

Yup, u can talk to the malaysian pug technician, but u need to remeber, they only from the slide, they dont involve in the pwrtrain rnd. Not saying they are not good, but for any technician, they dont need some deep info@knowledge coz they r train to do service, repair n update as instructed, not doing the mechanical development or software elements.

There's diff between engineer n technician. Engineer may not capable to service ur car, but they know their specific related field such as software engineer. But tech can service ur car, but they dont know how to do programming.
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Does Proton engineer database have info on getting Preve going up Genting during bad jam conditions?
ANS: No Peve can go up to Genting under this condiotns?


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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Nov 18 2012, 09:08 AM)
Does Proton engineer database have info on getting Preve going up Genting during bad jam conditions?
ANS: No Peve can go up to Genting under this condiotns?
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Read the first post of this thread. It's possible to go up genting even under drastic condition.

Just have to know when to engage or not to engage any gears. Common for most cvt gearbox, not just preve
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post Nov 18 2012, 01:06 PM

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Just change my trye to Good Year Effecient Grip for RM950.00 including alignment n balancing n after trade, is it a good deal. initially dont think of changing but my tyre wobble after 110km speed, send for alignment but was told its the tyre problem n not alignment. Will give some review later.
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Just curious, any of you guys had flash Papago or Garmin into the CFE's lokatoo HU ? Looks doable.
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When is the face lift coming out and do we know what the face lift features are?
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QUOTE(pigduck @ Nov 18 2012, 05:18 PM)
When is the face lift coming out and do we know what the face lift features are?
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as of now there's no news of a facelift, in fact the preve life cycle hasn't even reach 1yr yet. your best bet of getting any news of a facelift could be 2yrs from now? usually after the car reach 2 or 3 yrs only they will get a mid life facelift.
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Can I learn more about bodykits?

I heard so far only Airmaster is the official brand.

What about the others? What's wrong with them?

Is it worth it to put it on?


Added on November 18, 2012, 7:07 pmBooked a Jazz Hybrid.
Re-test drove the Preve CFE and decided Preve is value for money and may get a Preve instead.
It is spacious inside. Interior looks classy (although quality is lacking). But comes full specs with sensors, gps, paddle shift, etc.
Driving still feels a little plastic and cabin a little noisy.
Jazz Hybrid of course, smoother, but RM20+k more.
I only drive in KL with the RARE occasion of driving out of state, I pump petrol once a month. Max twice a monh.
So say over 5 years * 12 months = 60 * RM120 (full tank) = RM7,200
Savings of RM12+k that can be used for service and fixing the car.
Sure Preve won't save the environment but Jazz Hybrid also won't save that much petrol.
So Preve is a value buy. My family, prejudiced at first, against the Preve 'cos it's Proton went to see the car with me today, and changed their perception and agreed the Preve was a good and value for money car.

My only thing was, with the test drive, although powerful and ECU updated, still didn't have a very smooth drive. Felt a little plastic. Plus, steering felt heavy compared to Jazz Hybrid.

So question - is there a big difference between Premium and Executive driving?

I tried the Saga FLX and it was horrible - no power steering. And engine didn't feel powerful. I heard same engine as Preve Executive.

Your help is much appreciated.

This post has been edited by pigduck: Nov 18 2012, 07:07 PM
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Go for the Preve Premium

The Preve Exec is totally a strip down version of the CFE..they even remove the bonnet insulation for the Preve Exec, I can't believe that!

Even though I would Preve is a nice car to drive but I feel that the Exec version is a dumb decision I made....many minor things have been remove..

And most of the car dealers do not have the test drive unit for the Preve Exec, so many buyers do not know the exact condition of the Exec CVT model..

The noise level in the Preve Exec CVT is terrible, reading the Paul Tan review on the Preve is definitely the wrong choice, they were testing a CFE test unit, which might have been different from the actual mass production units..
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Thank you, Ryuken74 for your feedback. Is your Exec an Auto?

I saw some include a reverse camera - do they attach this to the GPS unit (in the Preve Premium) or is it a separate and new device altogether?
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QUOTE(Dickong @ Nov 18 2012, 01:06 PM)
Just change my trye to Good Year Effecient Grip for RM950.00 including alignment n balancing n after trade, is it a good deal. initially dont think of changing but my tyre wobble after 110km speed, send for alignment but was told its the tyre problem n not alignment. Will give some review later.
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Bro..can share which tyre shop ?
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QUOTE(pigduck @ Nov 18 2012, 11:20 PM)
Thank you, Ryuken74 for your feedback. Is your Exec an Auto?

I saw some include a reverse camera - do they attach this to the GPS unit (in the Preve Premium) or is it a separate and new device altogether?
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separate device, the HU has no camera integration as far as i know. The SA i went to was selling auto dimming rear mirror + reverse camera(in the rear view mirror) as an addon for RM650.

although im certain we can get it cheaper if we look into accessory shops.
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QUOTE(pigduck @ Nov 18 2012, 11:20 PM)
Thank you, Ryuken74 for your feedback. Is your Exec an Auto?

I saw some include a reverse camera - do they attach this to the GPS unit (in the Preve Premium) or is it a separate and new device altogether?
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u can install aftermarket reverse camera connect to the HU directly,no need extra device
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QUOTE(pigduck @ Nov 18 2012, 06:29 PM)
I tried the Saga FLX and it was horrible - no power steering. And engine didn't feel powerful. I heard same engine as Preve Executive.
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lol wad. What no power steering? lolz.

it has power steering and it is a bit to the heavy side.

What is your previous car/the car you're driving currently?
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Nov 19 2012, 12:32 AM)
lol wad. What no power steering? lolz.

it has power steering and it is a bit to the heavy side.

What is your previous car/the car you're driving currently?
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Steering for Saga I had to use so much energy - my arms were tired just making a turn around the block.

I drive a Kelisa currently. LOVE IT! rclxm9.gif Compared to the Saga, it is so light.

The steering on the Preve Premium is lighter (thank goodness) but not as light as say, the Almera. Almera steering is like silk.


Added on November 19, 2012, 1:06 am
QUOTE(maverickng @ Nov 19 2012, 12:10 AM)
u can install aftermarket reverse camera connect to the HU directly,no need extra device
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Cool - is it cheap to do so? Cheaper than buying a new unit at least - or having that cool rear view mirror thing.
The GPS unit on the Premium Preve is tiny - 4.5"? I like how the GPS when speaking directions has a local and neutral accent.


Added on November 19, 2012, 1:08 am
QUOTE(tineagle @ Nov 18 2012, 11:59 PM)
separate device, the HU has no camera integration as far as i know.  The SA i went to was selling auto dimming rear mirror + reverse camera(in the rear view mirror) as an addon for RM650.

although im certain we can get it cheaper if we look into accessory shops.
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This is kind of cool - I think I saw it on the Sportage. I wonder which is more of a hassle - this or just replacing the gps unit. By attaching the reverse camera to the backside, do they drill and does this cause leakages or cracks?


Added on November 19, 2012, 1:09 amI would also opt for leather if I could but 'cos the airbags are built-in to the seats - is this normal, btw? First time I've heard it, tbh.


Added on November 19, 2012, 1:13 amCan I watch DVD on the Premium Preve GPS unit?

This post has been edited by pigduck: Nov 19 2012, 01:13 AM
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Not trying to bad mouth almera here, but can you actually feel where your car is going/turning during on straight road and also during cornering? I feel so disconnected from the car when I am test driving the Almera.

almost all Proton cars has weighted steering for a reason; it offers better feedback and instill confidence during cornering, part of it is to compliment the "Proton Ride & Handling".

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