LTE 2013 Malaysia discussion v1 (true 4G)

Opening this thread for catering queries and discussion about LTE 4G technology in Malaysia soon.

Same as other countries in the world, Malaysia is going to embrace LTE true 4G next year 2013 onwards.
just 6 month to go from now, it will come very soon. so good to understand a bit now..





LTE - What about?
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LTE stands for (Long Term Evolution)
that going to replace 3G (WCDMA, HSDPA, HSPA+...) in due time.



LTE Speed:
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Technically LTE downloading speed can reaching 300Mbps max by using MIMO technology.
Malaysia initially should be running at 100Mbps ~ 150Mbps peak, this also if under ideal condition.
For practical result we can refers to other countries existing LTE users feedbacks, that will be more realistic.





LTE Frequency band:
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For Malaysia, LTE band will be running at:

a) 2600MHz (main band, confirmed)
+
b) 1800MHz (supplemantary band to be confirmed later time but this appeared in newspaper biz section)

note:
* Unlike 3G, LTE frequency band adoption is quite diversed by different country/region in the world.
There are 2600MHz, 2300MHz, 2100MHz, 1800MHz, 1700/2100MHz, 1700MHz, 1500MHz, 900MHz, 800MHz, 700MHz.

From Yahoo: Singapore Singtel & M1 also confirmed using 2600MHz + 1800MHz for their LTE (neighborhood countries mah, and telco here got partnership/share holding at there, Malaysia & Singapere always compatible, so this is strong indication of using both 2600MHz + 1800Mhz same here in Malaysia)





Malaysia LTE telco provider:
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MCMC already assigned spectrum of 2600MHz to 9 local telcos, ie next year there should be having 9 telco offering LTE plan (if no delayed like the wimax scenario)!

1) Maxis (getting 20MHz)
2) Celcom (getting 20MHz)
3) Digi (getting 20MHz)
4) U-mobile (getting 20MHz)
5) P1 (getting 20MHz)
6) YTL (getting 20MHz)
7) Redtone (getting 20MHz)
8) Asiaspace (getting 10MHz)
9) Puncak Semangat (new comer in mobile data field) (getting 30MHz)

P1 & YTL is going to run TDD-LTE, whilst the rest to run FDD-LTE.



Joint effort: telcos sharing base station or band spectrum
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9 telcos with fierce competition? That may not really happen.
It is known that some telcos 'tie up' already to share base station (RAN - radio access network) among them to reduce cost.

Maxis <> U-mobile
Celcom <> Digi

* The above 'alliance' quite the same line up as sharing 3G station now.
** Redtone, Asiaspace, and Puncak Semangat are expected to join either alliances.

updates:
(13/7/2012) Redtone announced joining Maxis for LTE infrastructure and spectrum sharing.



Which telcos will stand out in LTE war?
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This is unpredictable.
The above partnership apply to sharing infrastructure hardware among telcos to reduce operating cost, that having cost efficiency in pricing.
But when talk about performance (speed), if any alliance there also involve SHARING FREQUENCY SPECTRUM (bandwidth), that will be another story.
If merely based on technical data now, puncak semangat with 30MHz bandwidth should be the fastest LTE speed because got more bandwidth than 20MHz.



When getting started?
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Should be starting early next year after MCMC granting them the spectrum license.
Some telco already finished upgrading to LTE infrastructure station now, some are doing now like Digi. All is waiting green light by the authority.
E.g. Star Biz 5/6 just shown this:





Modem for LTE:
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Need to get new LTE modem. Existing 3G modem cannot be used for LTE.
However, LTE modem now usually come in 2 in 1 mode, ie they support LTE & 3G 42Mbps (backward compatibility)
On the contrary, pure 3G modem just support 3G no LTE.

** since LTE frequency band is diversed in different countries, so for frequent worldwide traveller one would need to bring at least 2 or 3 LTE modem. no more available universal modem like 3G modem.

*** LTE modem should also divided into FDD-LTE and TDD-LTE type.



Impact to 3G users
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New 3G plan subscription: if you are to sign up any 3G plan now that got binding contract period 1 year or more, need to think twice before acting.



Success of LTE Malaysia?
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same old question, always be the question of affordability.
and what volume quota for LTE plan since its so fast, a few gigabytes will be lapsed in a day.


Next thread will compose some data of LTE plan & cost available in other countries so we can compare to ours later see worth or not.

This post has been edited by coolstore: May 17 2014, 11:39 AM

ok, as promised, here i present other country LTE info:

citing HK LTE, running already in 2012 now.




current currency conversion rate: 1 ringgit malaysia = roughly 2.4 HK dollar


1) Three HK (www.three.com.hk)
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* extracting those unlimited LTE data plan only (no additional charge after quota, but throttled speed after reaching quota)

a) Smartphone plan (bundled with subsidised 4G phone): HK$418, unlimited, quota 5GB, 128kbps after quota)
* add HK$30, quota upgrade to 10GB, add HK$60 quota upgrade to 15GB, add HK$90, quota 20GB.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot

b) Smartphone plan (sim card only): HK$228, HK$278, HK$358. quota 5GB, 128kbps after quota.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot

c) Tablet data plan: HK$198 3GB.
* add HK$30, quota upgrade to 10GB, add HK$60 quota upgrade to 15GB, add HK$90, quota 20GB.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot

d) Data plan (3g modem): HK$358, quota 5GB.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot



2) PCCW Mobile (http://www2.pccwmobile.com)
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* PCCW mobile seems not having unlimited plan. they are charging after exceeding quota allowed.
** Offering 6 mths free for MNP (changing telco).

a) Smartphone plan (bundled with subsidised 4G phone): HK$389 quota 5GB, HK$429 10GB.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot

b) Smartphone plan (sim card only): HK$174 5GB with contract, HK$199 5GB no contract, HK$190 10GB with contract, HK$238 no contract.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot

c) Tablet smart plan (no voice) (bundled with subsidised tablet): HK$359 5GB with contract, HK$399 10GB with contract.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot

d) Tablet smart plan (no voice): HK$169 5GB with contract; HK$166 10GB with contract; HK$208 10GB no contract.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot


3) CSL HK (not CSL phone malaysia ya)
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CSL HK having 2 brand that offering mobile service:

3.1) One2Free (http://www.one2free.com.hk/)
* extracting those unlimited LTE data plan only (no additional charge after quota, but throttled speed after reaching quota)

a) Smartphone plan (bundled with subsidised 4G phone): HK$419 quota 5GB.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot

b) Smartphone plan (sim card only): HK$267 5GB with 24 mth contract
* free unlimited wifi hotspot

c) Data plan only: HK$387, quota 5GB.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot


3.2) 1010 (http://1010.hkcsl.com)
* extracting those unlimited LTE data plan only (no additional charge after quota, but throttled speed after reaching quota)

a) Smartphone plan (bundled with subsidised 4G phone): HK$439 quota 5GB.

b) Smartphone plan (sim card only): HK$339 5GB.

c) Data plan only: HK$459, quota 5GB.
* free unlimited wifi hotspot


4) China Mobile (HK) (www.hk.chinamobile.com)
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* extracting those unlimited LTE data plan only (no additional charge after quota, but throttled speed after reaching quota)

Data plan only: HK$398, quota 5GB. (existing promotion price HK$218, if MNP, minus HK$30 more)
* free unlimited wifi hotspot



Example testing picture from HK own review:
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(left hand side is using 4G, right hand side is 3G)
speed: 72.72Mbps (4G) vs 2.61Mbps (3G)





OK. done.

wait, BEFORE U GOING TO SHOUT 'WOW HK SO EXPENSIVE...", read following first:

i) HK salary level: if not mistaken they also have been running mininum wage HK$28/hour since last year, so monthly should be getting around HK$6000. For clerical job, salary start HK$7000 ~ HK$15000 also available.
ii) HK living cost: superb high cost, a plate of fried rice around HK$30 (RM12.5 according current rate).

so the broadband fees seems 'too much' to us, but actually not to them. It is down to ratio proportion of salary level vs expenses lah.


ii) the second interesting part we can see lots of plan bundled with FREE UNLIMITED WIFI HOTSPOT service to subcripber

at present, lowyat member pointed out the lately hot Maxis Fibre RM118 plan contains a terms that Maxis reserve to right to turn residential modem into public wifi hotspot. So it could be Maxis tactic that pave way for their 4G LTE plan additional bonus. One stone kill 2 birds.

This post has been edited by coolstore: Jun 7 2012, 11:53 AM

Do you think that once the 4G plan launch, the current 3G plan rate will be reduced? Or will still remain and the 4G plan rate will be >+-30% more?

what is the difference between FDD-LTE with TDD-LTE?
can help to explain?
thx in advanced

Still expecting (fail) speed throttle at 64kb or 128kb for all telco's

I think better wait until LTE Frequency band:is conform.
WiMAx operator YES, redtone & P1 dont have 1800mhz band, they can use 2300mhz for LTE.
1700mhz currently used by izzy, dont know mcmc will open this band.
800MHz used by TM CDMA
700MHz plan for digital tv.

2600MHz is confirmed already, already pop up several times in news paper biz section.

1800MHz spectrum assignment also showned in newspaper not long ago.

* i do assume ppl here are more keen and interested sign up with existing 3g telco LTE rather than wimax telco bcoz more confident of their service (judging from past experience). and somemore p1,ytl are running TDD-LTE, if no dual mode LTE modem available from them, don't think much ppl wanna join this group. unless they are very cheap

singapore singtel & m1 also say they use 2600MHz + 1800MHz. (that's an indicator already, neighborhood roaming and those share holding/partnership thingy between telco here and singapore.





** btw, already updated hongkong LTE info in post #2 as promised while opening this thread - for reference.

this is great, more choices for consumers and will send prices tumbling!~ Wimax is a total failure!~

MALAYSIA style:
LTE 4G with 1GB data limit. After exceed, throttle to 56kbps.

Welcome to Boleh land

lol.. yeah... all this huha about fast wireless technology.. in the end what you get is around 3.6mbps at best...

wimax ? isn't it supposed to deliver 50 mbps or something i heard ?

no need LTE... improve current HSPA service stability.... that's more important.....

believe me.. next time you see P1 or any other operator offering LTE service, speed =1.2mbps... lol..

wow.. this sounds cool.. that means its time for the new ipad.. when is d estimated date and how bout d plan.. roughly? hmmm

the ipad LTE frequency band applicable within US usage only oh.... (the yahoo news already stressed this...)

or does ipad got asia band LTE variant?

Got quota? If yes, there is no difference with the capped speed. Malaysia telco like to set quota.

I'm not sure though. Not really know bout this.. Since its 4g lte why it's not applicable to the new iPad?

LTE radio frequency band by ipad is 700MHz sth like that, they are built in mind for US LTE users, not cater for asia. unless got other ipad LTE stock version.

ALL wireless technology use radio frequency band to transmit data.

just imagine radio, you tune to wrong frequency, u cannot get to the desired radio station .

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Added on June 9, 2012, 1:22 pmno quota? everyone everyday download 10G then...

This post has been edited by coolstore: Jun 9 2012, 01:22 PM

[quote=coolstore,Jun 9 2012, 01:18 PM]
LTE radio frequency band by ipad is 700MHz sth like that, they are built in mind for US LTE users, not cater for asia. unless got other ipad LTE stock version.

ALL wireless technology use radio frequency band to transmit data.

just imagine radio, you tune to wrong frequency, u cannot get to the desired radio station .

imported car from japan using different freq also.. but yet still can receive local station

So if malaysia has LTE, means the wireless speed we get is from 100 - 150 Mbps right? But i think 4G is good enough?(Yes 4G with 20 Mbps speed).

Can anyone tell me how wireless broadband works? the station and stuffs?

tq.

[quote=shawn87,Jun 9 2012, 06:03 PM]
[quote=coolstore,Jun 9 2012, 01:18 PM]
LTE radio frequency band by ipad is 700MHz sth like that, they are built in mind for US LTE users, not cater for asia. unless got other ipad LTE stock version.

ALL wireless technology use radio frequency band to transmit data.

just imagine radio, you tune to wrong frequency, u cannot get to the desired radio station .

imported car from japan using different freq also.. but yet still can receive local station

[/quote]

radio is an example i use to illustrate the importance of frequency band to wireless techonology only.
not means the same exact practise to metropolitan wireless techonology like 3g, LTE, wimax all these.

the frequency band supported by hardware in wireless modem is FIXED, cannot be 'tuned' or 'changed' at will like in the case for radio station.

you can read this yahoo singapore warning news very clearly about this



This post has been edited by coolstore: Jun 11 2012, 11:22 AM

too bad then.. they shud make it standardize.. wondering why so many pattern comeout

lol maxis LTE peak download @ 104mbps in thier trial in 2010

http://www.maxis.com.my/mmc/index.asp?fuse....view&recID=460

during Trail yes, official launch time if can hit 42Mbps, consider bonus already , afraid those are only dream, as fast u can go, when quota finish, u get same capped 128Kbps or 64Kbps

This post has been edited by chuahcs79: Jun 12 2012, 06:01 AM

i wont think will be cap that low ...as long as it cap around 512kbps or 1mbps that still good

i am very sure the cap is same 128 or 64, u can refer to many LTE 4G country, many of them capped 128Kbps, ha ha,. dont dream too high

as none of malaysia ISP is that generous from what i recalled, even p1 capped at 400Kbps last time and change to 128Kbps without any notice at all,

This post has been edited by chuahcs79: Jun 13 2012, 06:16 PM

[quote=shawn87,Jun 9 2012, 06:03 PM]
[quote=coolstore,Jun 9 2012, 01:18 PM]
LTE radio frequency band by ipad is 700MHz sth like that, they are built in mind for US LTE users, not cater for asia. unless got other ipad LTE stock version.

ALL wireless technology use radio frequency band to transmit data.

just imagine radio, you tune to wrong frequency, u cannot get to the desired radio station .

imported car from japan using different freq also.. but yet still can receive local station

[/quote]

Car radio, e.g. FM Radio, is a quite standard range, 87.5 to 108.0 MHz
Japan FM is 76–90 MHz, unless the car-radio HU is designed for international market, which supports the full frequency range.

What LTE in US now is 700MHz. The most likely LTE in MY/SG is 2.6GHZ (2600MHz).
This is totally out-of-tune, chicken-and-duck talk, frequency is totally different, hence cannot communicate.

I think they will capped at higher speed if they afford to handle the volume of the traffic.

But i believe they don't afford to provide it.

128kbps is the highest possibility

just u-mobile please don't enforce 64kbps like in their 3G that is really sickening...

see later singapore signtel, starhub cap at how much

I rather stick with EDGE, lucky my social app/IM does not require highspeed. Most telco sell data by volume, not speed. Speed is just marketing gimmick. 32/8*3600*24=345.6MB per day

any celcom insider here who already grab the 'celcom LTE plan and pricing" ?

haiyaa.other countries also like that.just look at AT&t and Verizon wireless.@Gb for about RM80.kalau tak silap la




these 2 carriers in USA.country that has widest LTE coverage throughout the nation

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Added on June 19, 2012, 5:49 pmbtw,why not suggest to those telco,introduce plan with unlimited quota..for pricing ranging from rm300 to rm400 considered good enough alreday

This post has been edited by kernel123: Jun 19 2012, 05:49 PM

yesterday star paper biz section got latest news on LTE 2.6GHz matter, it said MCMC may not allocate 2.6GHz to all the 9 telcos that promised to last time...

go read it...

i guess the smaller telco may not get, need to lease from others.

in case Digi not allocated the band (as if the same happening to 3G license last time)... wau that will be ....

oh crap, there will be no tomorrow's network

DiGi will get it. Don't worry.

Korang lupa 1 lagi Jaring Broadband the FRIST Broadband Provider in MALAYSIA's!
they never lie because they are yg pertama wujud di malaysia...gotta's..

i got 1 question on LTE vs Wimax

rumors said that LTE will be weaker in Indoor as their frequency is much more higher than wimax.

True or False?

theoretically, yes.

LTE 2.6GHz, WiMax Malaysia 2.3GHz

higher frequency = weaker indoor penetration power.

but also higher frequency band = carry more data = faster speed.

no perfect thing in the world.

assuming LTE external antenna will be much needed by then seeing now 3G 2.1GHz also need to use external 3G antenna for better connection quality.

a vy nice article .... i can start learn the basic from here. thanks

I did try LTE in the office during our demo, well there is a test lab in the office that has all the LTE equipment. The engineers are still testing LTE in the office until today. Sometimes I pop into their meeting room and test out the goddess' speed.

During the demo, speed fetched more than 80Mbps, running smoothly when streamed HD video and played online game at the same time.

I'm from telco vendor and not provider, so not sure of the pricing.

If coverage and speed. I prefer better signal coverage thrn speed. For me,2-4mbps is good enough already for hp surf net...

80mbps is comparable to hk LTE speed already

celcom claim their got over 100Mbps instead

oh... thats lighting fast...

I prefer a better coverage than a fast speed ! Why need 80mbps on a mobile or tablet ?

i more concerned of local LTE plan pricing

I think 3G will be available for next 10 years. 3G service with 384kbps speed just start during mid 2008.

it will be co-exist between LTE & 3G. (actually newer standard beyond LTE also already in development progress)

one is pricing matter, 2nd will be infrastructure matter.

wow nice thread, double thumb UP!

I dont need faster speed...
What I really want are more data and reasonable capped speed

CONSISTENCY is the keyword, its useless to have highspeed one day and the next day its ding dong...........just provide consistent speed and affordable devices will do

yes, i don need highspeed also...highspeed just show off only... i want wider coverage.stable speed all the time.

correct, correct, correct

but this forum always got lobang for high speed and yet 'unlimited quota', hehe

anyway, LTE is the global network trend to go on. just hope malaysia telco learnt from the past 3G launching experience, don't repeat same unwelcome scenario

Malaysia Mentality: 1Mbps is enough...

no lah, i don need 42mbps...i only want 5mbps... 1mbps not enough for me. my digi line using 1mbps i feel slow..

100Mbps also if quota per month is 3GB no point

Puncak Semangat 30Hz?
Macam kroni punye company je.

yes, feel like rm1 asset base company .....hehe

After googling around, the owner of Puncak Semangat is Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary.
No wonder.

then is not RM1 asset liao.... haahahah....haiya...as long as they can provide a good service without spending ppl money ...don care so much

I think tuan syed just a proxy. Real company canot have unrelated business together. Take maxis, Maxis just focus to telecommunications only.

TRI a tajudin ramli industry company gone because too greedy. He got celullar, satelite, helicopter, aeroplane license.

It comfortable when speed 7Mbps and cap at either 512kbps or 384kbps.... Today website, you need at least 256kbps to load webpage properly even already stored in browser cache.

it will be great if capped at 512kbps

but dont you think 4G will be available to 3G subscriber as they use LTE compatible device?
example, if that place dont have 3G, it use 2G instead.

hahaha, if cap at 512.... then i will subscribe the most cheapest package ... these speed enough for me to check email,whatsapp,surf net already...i don need any video streaming ...

maybe it works this way:

if u are 3G plan only subscriber: only able to connect 3G network even in LTE area

if u are LTE plan subscriber: if got LTE, then use LTE. no LTE, switch to 3G automatically. this is the way overseas doing.

otherwise who wanna sign up LTE plan? just grab a LTE modem can use LTE speed with 3G plan. telco no stupid.

Omg , different frequency band from other country ... Means the 4G LTE device in market now kenot be use in malaysia??? Or we nid firmware upgrade for the 4G LTE device to support frequency band in malaysia?? (Newbie question)

why LTE canot have same freq globally ?

new ipad not supported

LTE is sth not 'universal' like 3G

the frequency band adopted by each country/region is different.

for asia, the japan one should be one with very unique band (i forgot their band)

LTE device made for US is not applicable to here bcoz we are not same LTE band.

and it is hardware matter, not firmware solution.

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Added on July 6, 2012, 12:05 pmyes, existing version cannot, maybe in future their new ipad with LTE support got regional version. so don't buy water set.

This post has been edited by coolstore: Jul 6 2012, 12:05 PM

icic, thx for clarify

Your Thread help my assignment alot
Thankz !!!!

hmm.
which mean all current seller selling like huawei e372 or sierra 303u cannot support malaysia LTE as they use different frenquency.

more like BIG white ELephant which is good for dual channel 3.5G speed nia.

those are 3G modem, of course cannot be used for LTE, not frequency band matter.

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Added on July 12, 2012, 9:07 pmno treat me mcdonald or kfc ar?

This post has been edited by coolstore: Jul 12 2012, 09:07 PM

if that the case...when lte role out, mah means a lot of upgrade need to be reinvest for user side?

http://www.malaysianwireless.com/2012/07/m...vice-next-year/

oh, so now got a clear alliance:

u-mobile<>maxis<>redtone (to operate in east malaysia only or also in west this time?)

I believe its East and West Malaysia as by Sept Umobile and Maxis will start the RAN sharing in West Malaysia on DC HSPA+

glad to hear that they all join partner to minimise the investment and that also hopefully a lower entry cost for subscription

today i read carefully - the statement mentioned they 'share spectrum' as well !!! not just share hardware infrastructure.

so next time we pick who offer cheapest plan among them (if confident to join this alliance).



This post has been edited by coolstore: Jul 17 2012, 08:58 PM

biz analyst lauded on the move redtone join maxis

now all eye on puncak semangat...

Singtel LTE 4G
Enjoy typical speed range: 3.4Mbps – 12Mbps) when you surf on 4G
Where got 100mbps ?

http://info.singtel.com/4G

Maximum speed 100mbps since if they give you true 100mbps then each LTE tower need have at least 1gbps connection standby. Then your price will me RMxxx

wondering digi join with any telco or not for LTE.... recently facing a lot of drop call .

humble saying maybe... or in initial introduction phase, if such the speed forever, then no need run LTE in singapore, lol, hk far better with around 70mbps by LTE phone testing. 3g already can achieve 12mbps typical now...

or not all their LTE base station backed by fiber network?

This post has been edited by coolstore: Jul 23 2012, 11:40 PM

digi upgrading infrastructure throughout this year for LTE, so got problems. i also switch to umobile becoz of this reason, even phone call is degrading.

this one from india, LTE no better than 3G HSPA+
Airtel Rolls Out 4G In Bengaluru
Airtel’s 4G-LTE launch in Kolkata
When someone pointed out that the data caps would hamper content consumption and that watching a few high quality videos might gobble up tremendous amount of data, Kapoor came up with a rebuttal that world wide, wireless technologies are not used for heavy data consumption, and that if customers wanted to consume 100 GB of data, they should switch to fixed line.
- Airtel CEO, Sanjay Kapoor

As the CEO his perspective is leaned towards the corporate side which matters profits over anything else.

Technically speaking, when it comes to speed, we refer to data rate transfers and NOT data volume.

When you speak of water flow in a pipe do you refer to how broad the diameter of the pipe hose or how many clogged up untangled points the pipe has?

Imagine how can you blame the top 2% hogs most of the line when they themselves don't even have 2% of the total pipe capacity?
Meaning if the total gateway raw pipe is 1Tbps to USA, and this 2% have say have a 10gbps line at home downloading most of the time, you can say they hog up 2% of the whole overall capacity?

A 20-50mbps line hogging the line? Why don't he just admit he's not overselling his line enough to buy a new castle in England?

Businessmen are actually over greedy.

Who doesn't know that with say a 100mbps LTE line, how can they still push silly out of date volume packages such as 1GB, 3GB or 5GB anymore?

It'll just burn out within hours or minutes.

Just like a Ferrari and you only give it a 1 litre gas tank?

Stupid greedy businessmen making themselves really look stupid.

If you speed up your service 10X then consider multiplying your old volume packages to 10 folds la.

Meaning 1GB = 10GB, 3GB = 30GB or 5GB becomes 50GB

anytime they will charge 10X also as their speed 10X faster.

with malaysian trend...i guess this plan likely to be offered by our telco:
LTE speed with 1GB data...once cap, throttled to 64kbps.

If Malaysians are smart consumers don't buy them! It's very stupid of you to buy a 1GB plan for say RM50 only to be used up in less than 1 hour by a 50mbps LTE network.

Telcos will keep playing the dumb game until you put up your acts against them. If no one complains, they'll act as if people are fools to accept their sale of such ideas.

Start deleting/turning off your APNs and mobile data settings inside your phones. If possible avoid.

Start using WiFi Hotspots when possible or your own wireless access points you have at homes.

not malaysian telco only.worldwide telco also doing the same thing maa.

AT&T,one of US telco that recently launced their LTE network is offering 5GB data with price tag of rm150.what the hell is this ? really greedy company.same like maxis



http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/data-plan...bid=Qudm-6mGbo_

This post has been edited by kernel123: Jul 28 2012, 04:57 PM

Eh I tot YES 4G long time ago what
YES 4G lanxiau