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post Oct 1 2011, 11:16 PM, updated 15y ago

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~The Home Of Liverpool Supporters~


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Liverpool Football Club



Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
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League Champions -----> 18
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Division Two Winners -----> 4
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Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
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League Cup Winners -----> 7
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Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
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1986* ; 1988 ; 1989 ; 1990* ; 2001 ; 2006 ( * shared)

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Super Cup Winners -----> 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
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Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
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You'll never, ever walk alone.

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post Oct 1 2011, 11:17 PM

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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
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Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan
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SQUAD NUMBER FOR 2011/2012 SEASON

* 1. Jones
* 2. Johnson
* 3. Enrique
* 4. Meireles
* 5. Agger
* 6. Aurelio
* 7. Suarez
* 8. Gerrard
* 9. Carroll
* 10. J Cole(LOAN)
* 11. Maxi
* 12. Pacheco(LOAN)
* 14. Henderson
* 16. Coates
* 18. Kuyt
* 19. Downing
* 20. Spearing
* 21. Lucas
* 22. D Wilson
* 23. Carragher
* 25. Reina
* 26. Adam
* 30. Suso
* 31. Sterling
* 32. Darby
* 33. Shelvey
* 34. Kelly
* 35. Coady
* 37. Skrtel
* 38. Flanagan
* 39. Bellamy
* 41. Hansen
* 42. Gulacsi
* 44. Mendy
* 46. Amoo
* 47. Wisdom
* 49. Robinson
* - Kohlert
* - Roberts
* - Sokolik
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post Oct 1 2011, 11:19 PM

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Premier League Scorer


Suarez - 4
Henderson - 1
Skrtel- 1
Adam - 1
Carrol - 1

Carling Cup Scorer


Suarez - 1
Carrol - 1
Maxi - 1
Bellamy- 1
Kuyt - 1
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Summer Transfer


IN:

Jordan Henderson ---- £16m ---- Sunderland
Charlie Adam ---- £9m ---- Blackpool
Steward Downing ---- £20m ---- Aston Villa
Alexander Doni ---- FREE ---- Roma
Villyan Bijev-------Unknown------ Unknown
Jose Enrique -------- £5.5m ------- Newcastle
Craig Bellamy -------FREE------ Manchester City
Sebastián Coates ------Undisclosed------ Nacional

OUT:
Paul Konchesky---- £1.5m ---- Leicester City
Gerrardo Bruna ---- Undisclosed ---- Blackpool
Stephen Darby -------- loan ----------Rochdale
Chris Mavinga ---- £1m ---- Rennes
Peter Gulacsi -------- loan ----------Hull City
Tom Ince ------------- FREE ----------- Blackpool
Milan Jovanovic ------- FREE---------- Anderlecht
Daniel Ayala --------- £800,000--------- Norwich City
Nabil El Zhar ---------- RELEASED -----------------------
Villyan Bijev ------------ Loan ------------- Genk
Sotirios Kyrgiakos -------- undisclosed---------- Wolfsburg
Dani Pacheco --------------Loan----------------- A.Madrid
Alberto Aquilani ------------ Loan ---------------- AC Milan
Emiliano Insua-------------- Undisclosed --------- Sporting Lisbon
Joe Cole ------------ Loan ----------------Lille
Christian Poulsen ---------Undisclosed----------Evian
David N'Gog ---------------Undisclosed ---------- Bolton
Raul Meireles---------------£12m------------------Chelsea
Phillip Degen --------------- RELEASED---------------------------
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Derby won! Carrol scored. Too bad Kuyt missed the penalty.
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It doesn't matter who climbs up and who goes down. The most important thing is we need to keep our winning mentality going on and the form should be brought forward and push as much as possible on the 15th against you-know-who!
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Most important is the 3 point mang well done boys
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Shelvey scored against Bristol City. Wonder why he was loaned out..
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new thread di,yay!great tat we collect full 3 points away against Everton smile.gif
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QUOTE(kabuto rider kick @ Oct 2 2011, 12:04 AM)
new thread di,yay!great tat we collect full 3 points away against Everton smile.gif
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I'm impressed with all round performance today. Gerrard looks stronger than ever.
I hope Kuyt, Bellamy, Suarez , Gerrard starts against United on the 15th.
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 1 2011, 11:59 PM)
Shelvey scored against Bristol City. Wonder why he was loaned out..
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if he wasn't loaned out , I dont think he has the chance to score that goal. Gerrard is coming back and we still have spearing , it is only a short term loan and we can call him back anytime we want rite?
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wow!! the second half formation is more deadly than 1st first... we shuld experimenting them on the next game
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Oct 2 2011, 12:48 AM)
wow!! the second half formation is more deadly than 1st first... we shuld experimenting them on the next game
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please dont use next match for experiment , we should start with gerrard next match
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bring them on, we gonna be the first to beat them this season

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Capello was at the match.hope he doesnt call gerrard.I dont mind him calling carroll and johnson.
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 2 2011, 12:50 AM)
please dont use next match for experiment , we should start with gerrard next match
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i've seen bellamy on the left is more effective than downing due to ability to read the game situation.. downing always making mistake in making an effort in certain condition where he shuld cross but he shoot & where he shuld high cross but he low cross .. And after half of the game, he'll probably miss in action hmm.gif

i looking forward to start bellamy on next game but afraid wether he's still able to play full 90min with pace seem he's already 32 of ages doh.gif
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QUOTE(digilife @ Oct 2 2011, 12:57 AM)
bring them on, we gonna be the first to beat them this season

Welcome back Gerrard  thumbup.gif
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If i were Kenny, i'll go easy on Gerrard. Never get carried away with last night's win. We have lot more to improve. But we showed professionalism and composed performance last night , solid , deserved winner. I've watched United's game (2nd half). Credit must be given to never-give-up-attitude Norwich City. The defense were solid rock until the goal from Anderson. United were below par but yet a steady performance to beat Norwich 2-0. United looked exhausted and Norwich could have gone 2-0 up or more (i didn't watch the 1st half). All credit to Norwich again for a brilliant yet losing performance at OT.

Back to us, it's too early to put him on a difficult situation where he needs to gear up for United. I know this match matters most than any other, but one at a time. Gerrard is back stronger than ever he was, but putting a pressure on him to show his usual ability does weigh up his responsibilities and contribution to team. I hope Kenny knows the right time to put him into starting 11 and i really hope it comes soon. Sticking to Bellamy-Kuyt-Suarez combination would be ideal for now. Downing on the left and Bellamy on the right. We can see more goals coming from Carroll soon, too soon wouldn't be against United (who knows ;o) )

I'm planning to gather few friend of mine for the Oct 15th. We are unsure of the location. Will keep you guys updated, if anyone interested , do let me know ..here

P/S : Kindly stop the sort of messages next time (See below). Keep the section clean with comments and not race for the 1st to be in. Sorry if it was bitter.

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post Oct 2 2011, 01:58 AM

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Adam didn't impress in CM today. We need Gerrard in the next match but I agree with easing Gerrard back into the team.
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not a gud peformance by us...by far one of the slowest tempo we have played...so slow that its similar to our national team...wakakakaka..bellamy+gerrard changes everything...our pass was much quicker,much more movement etc...to win 2-0 in derby games despite all this is great...happy days!! rclxms.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(leftist @ Oct 2 2011, 02:09 AM)
not a gud peformance by us...by far one of the slowest tempo we have played...so slow that its similar to our national team...wakakakaka..bellamy+gerrard changes everything...our pass was much quicker,much more movement etc...to win 2-0 in derby games despite all this is great...happy days!! rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif
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The game may have slowed down after the red card incident, but it was a fast paced game last night , it's a derby. One of the oldest rivals. The tackles were flying, fouls after fouls, goal chances after one another, every fan would agree that we played better in the 2nd half, first half was close to 50-50..

Similar to our national team? Did you not watch the game last night? It was full of tense..i certainly had enjoyed the way we played. It wasn't convincing but it was better from the team..and the end win is a win, it doesn't matter how dirty the game could have been..3 points matters mate..
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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Oct 2 2011, 02:58 AM)
Adam didn't impress in CM today. We need Gerrard in the next match but I agree with easing Gerrard back into the team.
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If Adam score that belter..i am sure this wont happen!!

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We beat the bitters at Woodison, what more can you ask for? Anyway, the bitters would much prefer a controversial win over a good win. Gives them something to be bitter about. Haha. Wanks.
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not a gud peformance by us...by far one of the slowest tempo we have played...so slow that its similar to our national team...wakakakaka..bellamy+gerrard changes everything...our pass was much quicker,much more movement etc...to win 2-0 in derby games despite all this is great...happy days!! rclxms.gif  rclxm9.gif
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I think the reason why we play a slow tempo game is because we had an extra player and we are passing around to make the opponent running around like monkey to draw out there defender and to wear off our everton stamina.
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someone should be asking for this later , here the 20 minutes highlights including the analysis

http://www.lfc.vn/matchs/videos/w7-highlig...of-the-day.html

credit - taken from rawk
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If Adam score that belter..i am sure this wont happen!!
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Adam has good shooting skill, but defensive responsibility wise is really worry.
You cannot play against big or good team with totally ignoring the defensive duty side.

And yesterday performance especially the defence is really worrysome despite with clean sheet, a number of occasion, nobody closing down Everton player in front of penalty box, resulted Reina is screaming at the defenders.
You need clean sheet especially against big and good team to win those match, means defence must solid tight across, and not letting opponent has free run and free shooting opportunity like that.

If Lucas out of position due to tracking others to whatever reason, there is little people to close down opponent already.
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After watch the game yesterday. It doesn't look so derby game. Everton was down one man. We didnt push very hard either. I agree we were very slow, but surprisingly everton also not pushing hard. After gerrard and belamy in, i see some fast pace passing one to one. But I just can't find it why our team doesn't preform like last season. During end of the season, we are banging goals around, we are moving past pace.

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QUOTE(smwah @ Oct 2 2011, 10:45 AM)
After watch the game yesterday. It doesn't look so derby game. Everton was down one man. We didnt push very hard either. I agree we were very slow, but surprisingly everton also not pushing hard. After gerrard and belamy in, i see some fast pace passing one to one. But I just can't find it why our team doesn't preform like last season. During end of the season,  we are banging goals around, we are moving past pace.
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Our new team still need time to gel..hoepfully by mid season, our team chemistry is excellent.
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QUOTE(smwah @ Oct 2 2011, 10:45 AM)
After watch the game yesterday. It doesn't look so derby game. Everton was down one man. We didnt push very hard either. I agree we were very slow, but surprisingly everton also not pushing hard. After gerrard and belamy in, i see some fast pace passing one to one. But I just can't find it why our team doesn't preform like last season. During end of the season,  we are banging goals around, we are moving past pace.
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Didn't look like a derby game?? I find it completely opposite. Crunching tackles, high pressing, bitters complaining, shitty football, red card. Usual fare, isn't it?
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I think the reason why we play a slow tempo game is because we had an extra player and we are passing around to make the opponent running around like monkey to draw out there defender and to wear off our everton stamina.
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Only do this when your a goal up. Everton had their chances too.
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The reason why we cant play high tempo football is because our defensive line has been nothing short of disastrous for the last few games. Shaky and our centerbacks are blessed with pace either. That's the way I see it.
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enrique was really the best in last nite.. somehow our cheaper buy outperfomed the higher buy
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QUOTE(smwah @ Oct 2 2011, 10:45 AM)
After watch the game yesterday. It doesn't look so derby game. Everton was down one man. We didnt push very hard either. I agree we were very slow, but surprisingly everton also not pushing hard. After gerrard and belamy in, i see some fast pace passing one to one. But I just can't find it why our team doesn't preform like last season. During end of the season,  we are banging goals around, we are moving past pace.
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if im not mistaken..the statistic shows that everton Vs Liverpool for the past 15 game? atleast 13 red card? it show before the game by ESPN..

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enrique was really the best in last nite.. somehow our cheaper buy outperfomed the higher buy
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Age....Experience of playing first games count too.... Plus, the burden of expectation bearing the 35m mark isnt light either.

Anyway, like to see hw Reina celebrated the goal. See a future captain in him.Woohoo! laugh.gif
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Happy to see Dirk Kuyt start. It was a wise decision given the threat of Leighton Baines. Can't blame him for the penalty miss as it was a good save from Howard. Good also to see Martin Kelly back. He had a solid game and one reason why Tim Cahill's kangaroo impressions only earned him one clear opportunity off his nut. Less I'm mistaken, Kelly was marking him during corners. I'm a big fan of Kelly and I imagine he'll make the England senior team by the end of the season if he can stay healthy. Carra has a good game as well. He was strong in the air and with exception of the occasion where he and Skrtel backed off Saha to present the Frenchman with too much room, he marshaled the defence pretty well. Jose Enrique had another good game and once again, you have to ask why he hasn't earned an international cap yet? I mean even Arbeloa who is a right sided player gets picked ahead of him. Baffling. Another player worth a mention is non other than Luis Suarez. He's been a revelation since signing for us and was once again a live wire up front. Was gifted a goal in the end by Distin and finished with aplomb.

The Bad
Well may "bad" is too strong a word but here are players I don't think had a good game. Carroll offered little with the exception of his goal. I think he spent more time out wide than he did in the Everton box. Adam had a quiet game and until he thumped Tim Howard's goal post, I forgot he was on the pitch. Stuart Downing was surprisingly innefective as well. Linked up well with Enrique but his delivery was off the mark on a number of occasions. Stayed out wide was much of the match to my dismay.

The Ugly
Martin Atkinson has a reputation of being card happy which can sour derbies and it kinda did last night. The Merseyside derby has produced more red cards than any other Premiership fixture and you just knew that Mr. Atkinson was going to flash someone a red. In truth, it was a harsh decision and Suarez made the most of it but you know what? I could care less. It's about time we had the rub of the green after having had several decisions go against us in recent games. There are few sights I like more than the vision of Tim Cahill in misery.

Not always easy on the eye but it was a derby after all and it had all the ingredients of one - crunching tackles, flared tempers, Tim Cahill being a ****, and bitters throwing rubbish on their own pitch no less. Always thought that Woodison was a dump.
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Hope all the carroll doubter can see his glimpses of potential.I back him to score against man utd.
The last game he played well but failed to score,now he scored,i expect him to build on this and keep improving.

Just wanted to ask everyone here,will you start gerrard for the man utd game?

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What i like about Carroll so far is he looks like a good finisher. He's not blessed with talents for gorgeous moves, fancy flicks or dribbles...but his finishing looks convincing.....at this stage..i think the battle is in his mind....whether he wants to fully make use of his career at Liverpool and develop into a fearsome striker or will he end up as one of those wasted talents...


Admit i was racing to be on the first page last night....it was my first time seeing a thread getting updated so i couldn't resist the temptation.. tongue.gif ..

....but i do give my a fair share of comments here... icon_rolleyes.gif

hoping the spuds and gunners will battle out to an entertaining draw tonight...

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enrique was really the best in last nite.. somehow our cheaper buy outperfomed the higher buy
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 2 2011, 05:31 PM)
This reminds me something.
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It seems Newcastle is doing fairly well without these key players.  hmm.gif
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Well looking at it again and again, Rodwell did catch his ankle and anyone who is into sports can tell you that bending your ankle even at a slight ankle can hurt. Sprains can hurt more than breaks. Suarez milked it no doubt but that can hurt.
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looking at the replay again,I'm glad Suarez jumped.If not,we will miss him for weeks due to ankle problem.
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the acting after he fell on the ground is .....
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the acting after he fell on the ground is .....
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QUOTE(bitebug @ Oct 2 2011, 06:15 PM)
They have better formation and tactic than us at the moment, IMO. Dunno what happen with Liverpool. They are playing at a slower pace this season compared to last season. KD needs to rethink about how he's playing...
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I like to keep each incident separate. I think we'd all agree that Suarez does a little too much remonstrating and play acting. Thankfully, he's a very good player and we can therefore be a little more forgiving. Whilst Rodwell's challenge was not deserving of a red, there was obvious contact and I hope that those commenting on it not hurting have actually experienced ankle sprains before. It can hurt like a b**** and from that replay, you can clearly see that his ankle was bent if even for just a second.
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I think you guys din follow much of Suarez back in his time with Ajax. That time, the play acting was far worse than now. Not that I m encouraging any play acting in game but as far as I m concerned, he reduced the number significantly after he joined the premier league. Anyway, he is a fighter who want to win any game on any day regardless of who the opponent is. We have seen him keeping uruguay alive in world cup by being a part time goalie and that sent Ghana out. We all did know that he is controversial type of player, din we even b4 he join us. So, why keep harping on it and repeating it non stop for the last 12hrs or so?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Oct 2 2011, 05:31 PM)
This reminds me something.
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It seems Newcastle is doing fairly well without these key players.  hmm.gif
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Just look at the teams they have played so far.They wont be able to keep by christmas when they have played all the big teams.
The fixture list has been pretty kind to them.No chelsea,mc,manu,spurs,us and stoke at britannia.
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QUOTE(bitebug @ Oct 2 2011, 06:15 PM)
They have better formation and tactic than us at the moment, IMO. Dunno what happen with Liverpool. They are playing at a slower pace this season compared to last season. KD needs to rethink about how he's playing...
Also, epic acting skill  rclxms.gif

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you should listen what the commentator said during the halftime..its not suarez fault..there was contact..maybe the act was too much..but again,got contact..the one should be blame was martin atkinson..poor judgement throughout the match..eg. fellaini fault on lucas and hibbert fault on adam..definitely a card..
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 2 2011, 08:26 PM)
I think you guys din follow much of Suarez back in his time with Ajax. That time, the play acting was far worse than now. Not that I m encouraging any play acting in game but as far as I m concerned, he reduced the number significantly after he joined the premier league. Anyway, he is a fighter who want to win any game on any day regardless of who the opponent is. We have seen him keeping uruguay alive in world cup by being a part time goalie and that sent Ghana out. We all did know that he is controversial type of player, din we even b4 he join us. So, why keep harping on it and repeating it non stop for the last 12hrs or so?
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 2 2011, 08:35 PM)
Just look at the teams they have played so far.They wont be able to keep by christmas when they have played all the big teams.
The fixture list has been pretty kind to them.No chelsea,mc,manu,spurs,us and stoke at britannia.
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Yups..correct..their early fixtures have been relatively easy..only facing arsenal in their first game..
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QUOTE(SquaLL_JB @ Oct 2 2011, 09:12 PM)
Yups..correct..their early fixtures have been relatively easy..only facing arsenal in their first game..
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But this doesnt mean they will be in a relegation fight.Their fixture list will ease up after this and they will climb up.

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QUOTE(NicholasNick @ Oct 3 2011, 12:33 AM)
Suarez better than Torres the 50mil machine smile.gif
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Seeing how Chelsea played their last 3 games, I'm sure Torres will start banging goals with those services.
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nah, Suarez's reaction are pretty normal. whether he fake it or not, im not sure.. but obviously there's strong contact.. its reasonable either way..

Rodwell tackle are 'perfect' for me.. take out opponent most influential player and do it legally..

the ref f***ed up big time.. he need to be suspend /demote to lower league next game.. i switched off to Selangor's game after the sending off..

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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Oct 3 2011, 08:09 AM)
nah, Suarez's reaction are pretty normal. whether he fake it or not, im not sure.. but obviously there's strong contact.. its reasonable either way..

Rodwell tackle are 'perfect' for me.. take out opponent most influential player and do it legally..

the ref f***ed up big time.. he need to be suspend /demote to lower league next game.. i switched off to Selangor's game after the sending off..
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the ref f***ed up big time.. he need to be suspend /demote to lower league next game.. i switched off to Selangor's game after the sending off..
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Not an impressive win though. Did not display the performance from the 2nd half of the season.
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The Good
Happy to see Dirk Kuyt start. It was a wise decision given the threat of Leighton Baines. Can't blame him for the penalty miss as it was a good save from Howard. Good also to see Martin Kelly back. He had a solid game and one reason why Tim Cahill's kangaroo impressions only earned him one clear opportunity off his nut. Less I'm mistaken, Kelly was marking him during corners. I'm a big fan of Kelly and I imagine he'll make the England senior team by the end of the season if he can stay healthy. Carra has a good game as well. He was strong in the air and with exception of the occasion where he and Skrtel backed off Saha to present the Frenchman with too much room, he marshaled the defence pretty well. Jose Enrique had another good game and once again, you have to ask why he hasn't earned an international cap yet? I mean even Arbeloa who is a right sided player gets picked ahead of him. Baffling. Another player worth a mention is non other than Luis Suarez. He's been a revelation since signing for us and was once again a live wire up front. Was gifted a goal in the end by Distin and finished with aplomb.

The Bad
Well may "bad" is too strong a word but here are players I don't think had a good game. Carroll offered little with the exception of his goal. I think he spent more time out wide than he did in the Everton box. Adam had a quiet game and until he thumped Tim Howard's goal post, I forgot he was on the pitch. Stuart Downing was surprisingly innefective as well. Linked up well with Enrique but his delivery was off the mark on a number of occasions. Stayed out wide was much of the match to my dismay.

The Ugly
Martin Atkinson has a reputation of being card happy which can sour derbies and it kinda did last night. The Merseyside derby has produced more red cards than any other Premiership fixture and you just knew that Mr. Atkinson was going to flash someone a red. In truth, it was a harsh decision and Suarez made the most of it but you know what? I could care less. It's about time we had the rub of the green after having had several decisions go against us in recent games. There are few sights I like more than the vision of Tim Cahill in misery.

Not always easy on the eye but it was a derby after all and it had all the ingredients of one - crunching tackles, flared tempers, Tim Cahill being a ****, and bitters throwing rubbish on their own pitch no less. Always thought that Woodison was a dump.
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About Suarez and Torres; you can't compare them. I still think that had Torres was a little more patient we'll probably see Suarez+Torres, which would have been full of potentials and possibilities.

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Oct 3 2011, 01:25 PM)
About Suarez and Torres; you can't compare them. I still think that had Torres was a little more patient we'll probably see Suarez+Torres, which would have been full of potentials and possibilities.
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I agree that players can be different even if they play in the same position but at some point, one has to be able to make a comparison. I think managers say it best when they say they want to sign the "right" players and not necessarily the "best" players. In the end, we're looking for someone who is a better fit for our team. If you ask me who fits us best, I'd have to say Luis Suarez but this isn't because Torres left. I still think Torres is a quality striker and his first season with us was arguably his best. He really hit the ground running and defenders struggled to match his pace and strength. The problem was that he is more individualistic and whenever he was out with injury or was being rested, we struggled to score goals. Luis Suarez may not as prolific but he can create opportunities for for his teammates. His pass to Dirk Kuyt who finished from centimeters out against the Mancs after a mazy run is a prime example.

Would have been nice to see them both up front of course but alas, it wasn't meant to be. I really think Torres would have flourished playing next to someone like Suarez who can create space and goalscoring chances for him.


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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Oct 3 2011, 01:25 PM)
About Suarez and Torres; you can't compare them. I still think that had Torres was a little more patient we'll probably see Suarez+Torres, which would have been full of potentials and possibilities.
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I agree that players can be different even if they play in the same position but at some point, one has to be able to make a comparison. I think managers say it best when they say they want to sign the "right" players and not necessarily the "best" players. In the end, we're looking for someone who is a better fit for our team. If you ask me who fits us best, I'd have to say Luis Suarez but this isn't because Torres left. I still think Torres is a quality striker and his first season with us was arguably his best. He really hit the ground running and defenders struggled to match his pace and strength. The problem was that he is more individualistic and whenever he was out with injury or was being rested, we struggled to score goals. Luis Suarez may not as prolific but he can create opportunities for for his teammates. His pass to Dirk Kuyt who finished from centimeters out against the Mancs after a mazy run is a prime example.

Would have been nice to see them both up front of course but alas, it wasn't meant to be. I really think Torres would have flourished playing next to someone like Suarez who can create space and goalscoring chances for him.

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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Oct 3 2011, 08:09 AM)
nah, Suarez's reaction are pretty normal. whether he fake it or not, im not sure.. but obviously there's strong contact.. its reasonable either way..

Rodwell tackle are 'perfect' for me.. take out opponent most influential player and do it legally..

the ref f***ed up big time.. he need to be suspend /demote to lower league next game.. i switched off to Selangor's game after the sending off..
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last time when torres still in anfield

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BTW, was Meireiles involved in Chelsea's win last night? didn't watch the game....was he good?

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Happy to see Dirk Kuyt start. It was a wise decision given the threat of Leighton Baines. Can't blame him for the penalty miss as it was a good save from Howard. Good also to see Martin Kelly back. He had a solid game and one reason why Tim Cahill's kangaroo impressions only earned him one clear opportunity off his nut. Less I'm mistaken, Kelly was marking him during corners. I'm a big fan of Kelly and I imagine he'll make the England senior team by the end of the season if he can stay healthy. Carra has a good game as well. He was strong in the air and with exception of the occasion where he and Skrtel backed off Saha to present the Frenchman with too much room, he marshaled the defence pretty well. Jose Enrique had another good game and once again, you have to ask why he hasn't earned an international cap yet? I mean even Arbeloa who is a right sided player gets picked ahead of him. Baffling. Another player worth a mention is non other than Luis Suarez. He's been a revelation since signing for us and was once again a live wire up front. Was gifted a goal in the end by Distin and finished with aplomb.


Mr Enrique for me is the New player of the season thus far

a) Composed on the ball
b) Hard to steal the ball from
c) Tons of energy
d) Good crosser
e) At 6mil....wow!

Watch the cross for Carrol's goal from the byline again....even John Barnes would have been proud of that! rclxms.gif
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BTW, was Meireiles involved in Chelsea's win last night? didn't watch the game....was he good?
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Easy goals. No complicated passing or tactic by Chelsea. He was kinda quiet the whole match....
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That's because he was playing the holding role. smile.gif
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Lulz. Once you taste the feel of being in the PL, you can't go back. Just look at Rafa. Desperate to come back to Liverpool. But it is a very intriguing idea though. Imagining Liverpool under CA. Or Jose Mourinho tongue.gif

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...ol-jobs?cc=4716

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i know this might ruffle some feathers but i said it before here...Jose should come to Liverpool after Madrid...

He's gone to big clubs... flushed with money and achieved success....
If he can do the same thing with a sleeping giant like Liverpool...he'll be one of the greatest..hahaha..


this is not to suggest that KD is not doing a good job....

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mourino would be ok here but won't be any greater.

Tactically I still think he is a shade behind even rafa/kd. No doubt his famous hallmark 'man management' may be miles better but I always suspect he puts more emphasis on mind games to deflect the team/flaws etc
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 3 2011, 11:44 PM)
i know this might ruffle some feathers but i said it before here...Jose should come to Liverpool after Madrid...

He's gone to big clubs... flushed with money and achieved success....
If he can do the same thing with a sleeping giant like Liverpool...he'll be one of the greatest..hahaha..
this is not to suggest that KD is not doing a good job....
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BLASPHEMY!! BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!!! tongue.gif

Anyway I doubt anyone will be taking over for at least another 5 years. And besides I thought another red team has called dibs on Mour.

He is a much better fit there I think, raging at referees, mind games and deflecting flaws is much suited for him there anyway blush.gif
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Yes, agree with RedShaun...as much as I like mourinho and his man management and antics at times (lol at pinching Tito Vilanova's eyes), I think he admitted that he wouldn't come to Liverpool for some reason. Same like how he will never coach Barca.

Let's us all enjoy the 2nd coming of King Kenny first. So far he has bring stability to the club, of course with some help from our nice new owners bringing in much needed $$$ and key staff like Damien Comolli and Steve Clarke.

Talk about our next game, I hope Gerrard is fit and available to kick some Manc butt! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 3 2011, 11:44 PM)
i know this might ruffle some feathers but i said it before here...Jose should come to Liverpool after Madrid...

He's gone to big clubs... flushed with money and achieved success....
If he can do the same thing with a sleeping giant like Liverpool...he'll be one of the greatest..hahaha..
this is not to suggest that KD is not doing a good job....
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He already did once with Porto.. Hell anyone expect Porto 2 win CL @ that time?
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Mori is a good manager, there's no doubt about that. But i don't think he would be interested in managing a team that requires rebuilding. He's always had the luxury to buy top players to complement existing top teams. He's a manager you'd want if you have a top team and need trophies. Not saying we're not good enough to win trophies but we have other more important issues to worry about. Matters like long term stability is essential to us, and Mori has a poor track record when it comes to long term stability. In any case, he won't come here - he has his eyes set on man united.
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Mourinho is bad for the club. He has always been a win now short term manager. He would spent all your money for 2-3 seasons of glory by buying players at their peak premium and leave right before the eventual fall from the peak. Plus he doesn't believe in pass and move. More choke and counter. RM won their recent CL match by counter attacking in the Bernabeu. And he is an arrogant little git. Plus Sheila said it was a goal.
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Darn it. Martin Kelly was so close to making the England squad but lost his place to who I think is Kyle Walker from Spurs. I could care less if England benefits from his inclusion and would rather he not feature and stay fit for us, but at the same time, I would like for him to get the recognition I feel he deserves. I still stand by my earlier claim that he will make the senior national squad by the end of the year. He's a solid young defender who has hardly put a foot wrong, and he's got good pace for a lad who is 6'3". I'm a fan.

I've not come across many youtube vids of him but that's understandable since he hasn't been around too long and isn't a flashy player. Here's one of him against the mancs though.


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Slowpoke but really? Kalou and Johnson?

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Darn it. Martin Kelly was so close to making the England squad but lost his place to who I think is Kyle Walker from Spurs. I could care less if England benefits from his inclusion and would rather he not feature and stay fit for us, but at the same time, I would like for him to get the recognition I feel he deserves. I still stand by my earlier claim that he will make the senior national squad by the end of the year. He's a solid young defender who has hardly put a foot wrong, and he's got good pace for a lad who is 6'3". I'm a fan.

I've not come across many youtube vids of him but that's understandable since he hasn't been around too long and isn't a flashy player. Here's one of him against the mancs though.

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He will be tested in the next match against MU (assuming he'll put in the starting lineups).

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Promising young player.
He will be tested in the next match against MU (assuming he'll put in the starting lineups).
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Slowpoke but really? Kalou and Johnson?

Kalou, Johnson
Also this site has many nice article about the Reds.

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If memory serves me, Rigobert Song appeared on 3 World Cups, captaining Cameroon in at least 2 of them and he also got himself sent off twice.

Kvarme had a decent start to his career here before leaving for France, and he did finish 2nd in La Liga once with Real Sociedad where he bumped into another former Red, Sander Westerveld.

I've no idea why we bought Krompkamp till this day.

Julian Dicks was useless and fat. Took up space, nothing more. Surprised that West Ham took him back.





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that is contact la.. can't you see that?
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there is contact..but rodwell got the ball first..and ref need to give out rodwell red card bacause suarez acting like a little c**t..btw rodwell will not serve any ban by FA..he even didnt deserve a yellow card.its a clean tackle..but actually its ref decision that its influence by suarez reaction..first time player is backed by the FA..

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http://www.football365.com/news/21554/7223...-Card-Rescinded

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QUOTE(Lifeis@mess @ Oct 5 2011, 11:37 AM)
there is contact..but rodwell got the ball first..and ref need to give out rodwell red card bacause suarez acting like a little c**t..btw rodwell will not serve any ban by FA..he even didnt deserve a yellow card.its a clean tackle..but actually its ref decision that its influence by suarez reaction..first time player is backed by the FA..
The ref didn't issue a red purely because of Suarez's reaction. He did so because he interpreted it as a studs up challenge. If a player is deemed to not be in control of his challenge, it is dangerous play and even if you don't make a whole lot of contact, it is a bookable offence.

Having said that I think the whole world agrees Martin Atkinson made a mistake, including me but don't place blame only where you choose to.

On the same score, I read an SMS message in the Star today from yet another ill-informed noob. Not sure which club he supports but he's accused Mike Riley and Martin Atkinson of being in league with Liverpool. REALLY??? On what basis? Prior to 2009, Mike Riley had awarded numerous penalties in favour of Man Utd so much so that when Everton met them in the 2009 FA Cup semifinals, David Moyes actually called for an investigation into Mike Riley when it was learnt he was selected to referee the match. Subsequently, Man Utd were denied a penalty in the match and Fergie then accused him of being influenced by Moyes' comments. Suddenly, Mike Riley's contributions over seasons past were forgotten and he was no longer the flavour of the month at Old Trafford. Here's a source. It's 7 yrs old but it gives you an idea of why Moyes made such a claim (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2004/nov/03/theknowledge.sport). So then, any proof that he's suddenly a Kopite?

Martin Atkinson a Kopite as well? Firstly, he had been known to be a little card happy, having issued 13 red cards last season. Secondly, his biggest controversies involved Man Utd. First, he allowed play to go on for 6 minutes into extra time, giving Man Utd a 4-3 win over City after the fourth official had signaled for only 4 minutes of injury time. Michael Owen scored in the 96th minute prompting the saying, " Fergie time". Next, he controversially blew the final whistle in a game between Man Utd and Everton as the scored were tied at 3-3, with Everton midway into an attack. Jagielka eventually fired straight into Van Der Sar's hands but the whistle had gone just before the shot came in.

So now, what is there to indicate that either of them are pro-Liverpool? I really wonder where some people get their facts from?
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So now, what is there to indicate that either of them are pro-Liverpool? I really wonder where some people get their facts from?
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I did read the message on Star this morning. It proves that he know nothing about football and he could be one of those "lalang" " I support City / United cos they look stronger (City) & win more titles (United)" kinda of fan..the arguments about the red card is completely non-sense cos its done and dusted. Lets talk about the biggest test for us this season, the game against the "Champions"..

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It will be no easy task for them at Anfield, that's for sure. I'm not saying I'm confident of getting 3 pts at home, but I can say that we won't keel over and die. We'll make them work for it and with both sides looking defensively suspect in recent games, who is to say we won't see a high scoring match? We usually do turn up for this game even when we lose so it's going to be a matter of how clinical we are in front of goal. They mancs have been putting their chances away and hence they are able to grind out results. Berbatov is out of favour and whoever they choose to start, they will have a pretty quick and mobile forward line with the likes of Hernandez, Rooney, Welbeck and even Owen in fine goal scoring form. I'm a little apprehensive with starting both Carra and Skrtel in the heart of defence but I reckon it's our safest option given that Agger is out injured and Coates is inexperienced and new to the Prem. If Glenn Johnson were back, it would be interesting to see Martin Kelly slot right into the heart of our defence given how quick he is. We're probably going to concede, I just hope we score.


Added on October 5, 2011, 3:43 pmInterested to hear your thoughts. It is a highly charged encounter and possibly the most watched match all over the world. I've heard mancs downplaying the importance of this game but if you are truly a fan of either club, it doesn't come bigger than this. If it does, well, maybe you were born yesterday. The rivalry runs deep, certainly deeper than even football itself. The atmosphere at Anfield will be akin to one of those famous European nights. The Kop will certainly be up for this. They proved this at White Heart Lane as we were hammered, and still "YNWA" from the away end was audible. Let's to our part again.

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Yes in recent times we rose to the occasion and beat them at Anfield multiple times for the past few seasons. Seems like our players perform at 110% when we face them at our homeground. smile.gif

Both of our backlines are kinda shaky too. Suarez and Bellamy/Downing will have a go at their defenders while I expect Rooney and Nani to do the same too. Will be a great match! It sure will be hostile, but I hope no coin tossing incident a.l.a Everton. If got coins please donate them to our LFC to fund our next transfer, don't throw them at Manc players. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 5 2011, 03:36 PM)
It will be no easy task for them at Anfield, that's for sure. I'm not saying I'm confident of getting 3 pts at home, but I can say that we won't keel over and die. We'll make them work for it and with both sides looking defensively suspect in recent games, who is to say we won't see a high scoring match? We usually do turn up for this game even when we lose so it's going to be a matter of how clinical we are in front of goal. They mancs have been putting their chances away and hence they are able to grind out results. Berbatov is out of favour and whoever they choose to start, they will have a pretty quick and mobile forward line with the likes of Hernandez, Rooney, Welbeck and even Owen in fine goal scoring form. I'm a little apprehensive with starting both Carra and Skrtel in the heart of defence but I reckon it's our safest option given that Agger is out injured and Coates is inexperienced and new to the Prem. If Glenn Johnson were back, it would be interesting to see Martin Kelly slot right into the heart of our defence given how quick he is. We're probably going to concede, I just hope we score.


Added on October 5, 2011, 3:43 pmInterested to hear your thoughts. It is a highly charged encounter and possibly the most watched match all over the world. I've heard mancs downplaying the importance of this game but if you are truly a fan of either club, it doesn't come bigger than this. If it does, well, maybe you were born yesterday. The rivalry runs deep, certainly deeper than even football itself. The atmosphere at Anfield will be akin to one of those famous European nights. The Kop will certainly be up for this. They proved this at White Heart Lane as we were hammered, and still "YNWA" from the away end was audible. Let's to our part again.
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Mancs have not beaten us at Anfield since December 2007, one fixture that Reds will be looking above the others. As Duke said, biggest of all others!. Benitez had the best head-to-head record against Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal in Liverpool's 08-09 title charge, but still ended up finishing second due to slipping up in smaller games. No one understands "the Liverpool way" like Dalglish does, he will have his plans ready for this encouter.

I've seen comments from Mancs fans on their "section", pretty confident they are with the high flying youngsters and the current form, but it is essential to remember that this match is one out of 38 over the course of the season and a run of results is always preferential over a big-game victory. We certainly need the morale-boosting win over the Mancs!.

Another Kuyt's hat-trick? We'll see about it.
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Mancs have not beaten us at Anfield since December 2007, one fixture that Reds will be looking above the others. As Duke said, biggest of all others!. Benitez had the best head-to-head record against Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal in Liverpool's 08-09 title charge, but still ended up finishing second due to slipping up in smaller games. No one understands "the Liverpool way" like Dalglish does, he will have his plans ready for this encouter.

I've seen comments from Mancs fans on their "section", pretty confident they are with the high flying youngsters and the current form, but it is essential to remember that this match is one out of 38 over the course of the season and a run of results is always preferential over a big-game victory. We certainly need the morale-boosting win over the Mancs!.

Another Kuyt's hat-trick? We'll see about it.
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I prefer Carroll to have his hat-trick to get his confidence back.

Or even Stewart Downing or Charlie Adam to get a goal each. Or even the returning Bellamy and Gerrard. Am I too greedy? tongue.gif
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Don't be fooled by SAF comments. He is on his usual "mind games" again. He wants to take the pressure off the MU team and focus it on the Liverpool...I hope the players just ignore it and play to their best ability....
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Suarez said Title out of reach....
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Suarez is being realistic there. Nothing wrong. Even our own owner said the realistic target is to get back into top four this season.Though I must question the need of saying it in public.Hmm.....

Anyway, I cant pretend i m stunned by the idea of starting Carrol in the match. First and foremost, he hit a goal last game bt that itself doesnt guarantee a starting berth in the team. Plus, his immobality and lack of willingness to work for the team makes it a liability to the team.... More like 10men on field than 11, just like most of us said in the last game. I would certainly prefer Bellamy to start the game. He has shown in previous few games that he managed to change our game to next level whenever he came on. His pace and experience will play a vital part for us in such an important match.Let's not forget, he got workrate as good as Suarez, if not better than Kuyt. So, I hope I can see lineup like this...

Reina

Kelly---Carra---Skrtel----Enrique

Kuyt---Lucas---Gerrard---Downing

-----------Bellamy----------------

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I hope KD doesnt make a bold decision by fielding Henderson in such an important game especially when the mancs are in great form. Henderson and Carrol can come off the bench but pls, stay away from starting lineup. Not that I m not being supportive here, it's just that I m being rational and realistic that there are better options upfront for us than these 2.
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I really hope Suarez is wrong about that.But yeah,getting back in the UCL is the most important here.
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It is totally out of mind to expect Liv to be title contender.

It is all about rebuilding and back to top 4 contention candidate.
Please be realistic.

Even from the 7 games played, we can see Liv still lack of cutting edge or potential champion candidate that can easily kill off opponent and win in convincing way.

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 5 2011, 07:36 PM)
Suarez is being realistic there. Nothing wrong. Even our own owner said the realistic target is to get back into top four this season.Though I must question the need of saying it in public.Hmm.....

Anyway, I cant pretend i m stunned by the idea of starting Carrol in the match. First and foremost, he hit a goal last game bt that itself doesnt guarantee a starting berth in the team. Plus, his immobality and lack of willingness to work for the team makes it a liability to the team.... More like 10men on field than 11, just like most of us said in the last game. I would certainly prefer Bellamy to start the game. He has shown in previous few games that he managed to change our game to next level whenever he came on. His pace and experience will play a vital part for us in such an important match.Let's not forget, he got workrate as good as Suarez, if not better than Kuyt. So, I hope I can see lineup like this...

Reina

Kelly---Carra---Skrtel----Enrique

Kuyt---Lucas---Gerrard---Downing

-----------Bellamy----------------

-----------Suarez----------------
I hope KD doesnt make a bold decision by fielding Henderson in such an important game especially when the mancs are in great form. Henderson and Carrol can come off the bench but pls, stay away from starting lineup. Not that I m not being supportive here, it's just that I m being rational and realistic that there are better options upfront for us than these 2.
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I', hoping that Gerrard will be given a starting berth. He may not be back to full match fitness but it's the international break and I'm sure he's going to be put through his paces on the training ground. At this point, a half fit Steven Gerrard is at least as good as Charlie Adam and definitely better than a Henderson. His mere presence should boost morale which is something not many players at the club can lay claim to doing. *Fingers crossed*.
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What time is the game between Liverpool and Man Utd next Saturday?
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i reckon stevie g will start given he's not selected for england and will be well rested for man u. he would defintely be a huge tactical & psycho boast to the team.
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my prediction for first XI - Reina, Kelly, Skrtel, Carra, Enqique, Downing, Lucas, Adam, Kuyt, Suarez, Carroll.
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My starting line-up vs. mancs:

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Why no Carroll..
And i think playing 3 midfield is wise..
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Don't be fooled by SAF comments. He is on his usual "mind games" again. He wants to take the pressure off the MU team and focus it on the Liverpool...I hope the players just ignore it and play to their best ability....
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QUOTE(nando @ Oct 3 2011, 11:44 PM)
i know this might ruffle some feathers but i said it before here...Jose should come to Liverpool after Madrid...

He's gone to big clubs... flushed with money and achieved success....
If he can do the same thing with a sleeping giant like Liverpool...he'll be one of the greatest..hahaha..
this is not to suggest that KD is not doing a good job....
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QUOTE(coolmast3r @ Oct 6 2011, 05:49 PM)
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--------------------Reina------------------------
--kelly/johson---carra--agger-------enrique--
--------------------lucas------------------------
-----------gerrard--------adam-----------------
--kuyt--------------------------------downing--
-------------------suarez------------------------

for this 4-5-1 sometimes we can change to 4-3-3 formation...we also can shift to 4-4-2 from this formation...it's sometimes can confuse the opponent
the reason we have be blown by tottenham that day, we have been destroy from the centre of midfield..
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We're playing at Anfield and I moot we go on the offensive for two reasons. a) our defense has looked fragile and by sitting back, we're inviting unwanted pressure, and b) their defence has looked shaky as well and by virtue of the fact that we're playing at home roared on by the Kop, we need to capitalise on this to take some pressure of ourselves.

I'm still torn who to partner Suarez up front though. I am split between playing him alone, flanked by Kuyt and Downing, supported closely behind by Gerrard, or pairing him with Andy Carroll. Bellamy is an option but we won't have any height during set pieces. We'll only have Kelly and Skrtel to aim for.
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Carra hinted he might retire in near future. I guess he did realize after all that his age is catching up with him and his recent performance is nothing close to satisfactory. Nervous defending from him of late, you can see him actually feeling relieved when Saha's shot went wide the other day. Carra of old time wont do so but to shout around order to strengthen the defensive line. Let's hope he will do well the coming game and go on playing for few more seasons.
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I guess Carroll will play up front and Bellamy subs Downing later on in the game. Though, I would prefer Bellamy start at LW and Kyut on RW. Imagine this two guys pestering from left and right.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 7 2011, 03:25 PM)
Carra hinted he might retire in near future. I guess he did realize after all that his age is catching up with him and his recent performance is nothing close to satisfactory. Nervous defending from him of late, you can see him actually feeling relieved when Saha's shot went wide the other day. Carra of old time wont do so but to shout around order to strengthen the defensive line. Let's hope he will do well the coming game and go on playing for few more seasons.
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Some of these comments in the Star are really embarrasing. This manc posted that the only reason we've beaten them 3 times is because of Mike Riley and Martin Atkinson. HUH? hmm.gif

Forget what I posted days ago about how Mike Riley has awarded numerous penalties in their favour, at Old Trafford no less and how Martin Atkinson helped develop the term "Fergie time", when did Riley and Atkinson hand us a win over them? I'd shoot myself if I were such an idiot. Stupid people like this should do us all a favour and kill themselves so as to not waste precious oxygen.
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Liverpool starlets could be offered psychological help to help them make the first team

Liverpool are considering appointing a club psychologist to work within their academy set-up.

With mental preparation becoming as increasingly important as physical training in modern day football, the Anfield club are looking into the prospect of introducing a specialist member of staff to help their promising talent get to grips with the pressures of senior football.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...gical-help.html
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post Oct 8 2011, 12:35 PM

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Luuk de jong for Liverpool? If this is true, then he'll be our next Kuyt

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Oct 8 2011, 11:34 AM)
Liverpool starlets could be offered psychological help to help them make the first team

Liverpool are considering appointing a club psychologist to work within their academy set-up.

With mental preparation becoming as increasingly important as physical training in modern day football, the Anfield club are looking into the prospect of introducing a specialist member of staff to help their promising talent get to grips with the pressures of senior football.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...gical-help.html
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finally! a step that will bring the team to a better position! we should have done this ages ago!
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QUOTE(ayam001 @ Oct 8 2011, 07:44 AM)
i saw someone from england strikers got red card.. brows.gif
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SAF trolled Capello.
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QUOTE(ayam001 @ Oct 8 2011, 07:44 AM)
i saw someone from england strikers got red card.. brows.gif
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lol.....but hes not injured

so SAF trolled us and Capello
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FORMATION VS MAN UTD next week

Suarez
Gerrard
Downing - Lucas - Bellamy
Enrique - Skrtel - Carra - Coates - Kelly

5 -3 - 1 - 1

Attack them quick and fast on the counter while having an extra man in defense will be solid enough to hold ROoN and Gang.
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^I sapport above.
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by putting a 5 man defence, it'll be like drawing them to attack
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QUOTE(wadup @ Oct 9 2011, 01:54 AM)
by putting a 5 man defence, it'll be like drawing them to attack
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Remember last season's result? We whacked them properly in Anfield (3-1) and it was down to playing 5 defenders.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 9 2011, 01:57 AM)
Remember last season's result? We whacked them properly in Anfield (3-1) and it was down to playing 5 defenders.
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We have whacked them using many formations so many times already. Even with Lucas and Spearing as our central pairing!
Key word here is discipline. You need that against these kind of teams.
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http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premie...ause-they-hadnt

reina almost left us...so sad...and the reason liverpool blocked his transfer was not bcoz he was too good a keeper but bcoz they need him as bargaining chip.. cry.gif
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^Damn. I don't think it was right to do that if he was willing. I think it had a huge effect on Reina. Sad, really. But let's just wait for the January transfer window to open. I'll support Reina whatever his decision may be. But atm, I really can't think of anyone to replace our Reina..

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^ Why does Reina wants to move now? Liverpool is currently under new owners and KD has highlighted his importance to the club. Plus Arsenal is in a more dire situation than Liverpool
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QUOTE(mercury8400 @ Oct 9 2011, 09:48 PM)
^ Why does Reina wants to move now? Liverpool is currently under new owners and KD has highlighted his importance to the club. Plus Arsenal is in a more dire situation than Liverpool
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Exactly. Boys. Read Reina's article properly. He said he was unsettled because of Tommy and Gigi (Hicks and Gillett). Now he's happy at Anfield working with King.

I pray that Tommy and Gigi will go bankrupt one day for continuously trying to sue Liverpool and others to gain benefit for themselves.
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What has been said cannot be unsaid, sometimes i wish players would have the wisdom to keep quiet.

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the media only take the quote from his latest biography, this few days was too quiet for the media to make some good reading materials ..so dont bother them
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kelly is tooooo injury proned player.. no way he can be anywhere near good if keep like this
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i really like how luis keeps updating his facebook

the picture of him studying english is class!
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this is epic..!!

Seba only alone..



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that article from Goal is misleading.

Read this one.

i quote this.

"If that happens in Spain, then the supporters are outraged. While the Liverpool fans were not happy - they would have been crazy if they were - they still supported us all the way and did not turn on us. There are times when things go wrong on the pitch that you are still able to take something positive from the game. This was one of those occasions. It showed me that if we gave everything for Liverpool then the supporters would always be with us. That is a special feeling and it convinced me even more that I had joined a special club."

-Pepe Reina-



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Liverpoolfc.tv brings you an exclusive chapter from Pepe Reina's new autobiography in which he explains how Rafael Benitez pestered him into joining the Reds and reveals that he was already a Liverpool player during Istanbul.



When Liverpool won the Champions League in Istanbul on May 25, 2005 there was one player missing from the celebrations - me. Not many people know this, but the £6 million deal that took me to Anfield was already done by then. It was not announced until July, but on the night that Liverpool won their fifth European Cup in the most incredible fashion imaginable I belonged to them. Villarreal had approved my sale and I had agreed terms, so on the greatest night in my new club's history I was at home, alone, watching the dramatic events unfold on my television with only some beer for company.

That game is one of the greatest examples of how beautiful football can be. It showed that nothing is impossible and that even the worst situations can be turned around.

I didn't see it that way at half-time, of course. With Liverpool 3-0 down and seemingly on their way to defeat I was absolutely gutted. Being a Liverpool player by then, my first instinct was that I was about to leave a club which had qualified for the Champions League for one who would not be in it. I called my agent and said to him: "We're ****** now. We are not even going to play in the Champions League."

The worrying thing about the whole situation was that going into the game Liverpool were not even sure that winning the Champions League would get them into the competition the following season because they had failed to finish in the top four in the Premier League. But the feeling was that if they won the trophy UEFA would have to give them the opportunity to defend it.

None of that mattered at half-time with Liverpool three goals behind. At that point UEFA being faced with a tricky situation didn't even look like a possibility. It was Liverpool who had all the problems and the question was whether they could even get a goal to make the scoreline more respectable. So I was really in a bad mood.

Then everything changed. After the three goals in six minutes I was back on the phone to my agent. "Manolo, Manolo, we are back," I shouted. Like everyone else I could not believe what I was seeing. Teams had come back from the dead before - but not like this. Not in European football's biggest and most important match - and certainly not against an AC Milan team which had played so well that the trophy could have been packed up and sent to Italy at half-time and no- one could have complained.

I was glued to the game as it went to extra-time and penalties. Everything turned crazy. I was so nervous that I kept on drinking and drinking. By the end of the final I was flat out on my bed after the 10 beers I drank. But I was happy. I had celebrated Liverpool's goals as if I was playing and when Stevie lifted the trophy I celebrated like the rest of his team-mates.

I might not have been out there, dancing around the pitch at the Ataturk Stadium and singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone', but in effect I was already one of his team-mates. The deal to take me to Anfield was actually signed at the beginning of May. But Barcelona had a sell-on clause put into my contract when I moved to Villarreal and they were entitled to up to 40 per cent of any future transfer fee. That clause expired in July so the transfer was not formally completed until then to allow Villarreal to keep all of the proceeds. I eventually went to Liverpool to finalise everything on July 4. It is a date that is etched on my mind, and will be forever.

I had been aware of Liverpool's interest in me for some time before then, with the first contact probably being made as early as February that year. I share the same agent as Rafa Benitez, Manolo Garcia Quilon, and I became aware that Rafa was having a few problems with his goalkeepers and was not totally satisfied with them during his first season at Liverpool.

I was having one of the best seasons of my career at Villarreal and Liverpool made an offer for me in the springtime. They met with my agent and Benitez, being the annoying - in a good way - manager that he is, rang me every single day to convince me to make the move. Every morning when I was on my way to training my phone would ring and before I even answered it I would know who it was.

"Pepe, it is Rafa," the daily conversation would begin. "Things are the same as yesterday. I do not want to bother you because I know you need to focus on qualifying for the Champions League with Villarreal, but I just need to tell you that we are really keen to sign you and we are working very hard to make it happen."

I even ended up playing a part in the negotiations for my own transfer because Rafa was asking me to ask Villarreal if they could lower their asking price! He also asked me if I could get my agent to reduce my wage demands! It was an unusual situation but I just had to laugh about it. I was really grateful to Rafa because he wanted to take me to Liverpool so much. He gave me that opportunity, the chance of a lifetime. If I had to put up with a few phone calls and being asked to negotiate lower wages for myself then so be it. That's just Rafa.

This wasn't the first time I had been aware of Rafa's interest in me. He first wanted to sign me when I was with Barcelona B. I was only 17 years old at the time and he was making a name for himself as manager of Tenerife. With a team that included Luis Garcia, they enjoyed a good season in 2000/01 and ended up finishing third in La Liga. We were playing in a friendly tournament in Gran Canaria and before one of our matches I saw him standing behind my goal, watching me warm up and go through my routine. This was before the game had even kicked off. It was clear that he was keeping an eye on me as he didn't focus on any of the other players.

That made me nervous because I already knew that he was looking to sign me, but I came through the game with no mistakes and it wasn't long after that he tried to recruit me on loan. I turned the move down because at that stage I just wanted to stay and fight for a place at Barcelona. I wasn't ready to leave. Even that didn't put him off as a few years later he tried to sign me again, this time when he was in charge of Valencia. That move didn't happen either.

But anyone who knows Rafa at all will tell you that he isn't the kind of person who just gives up. If he wants something he will keep on going until it either happens or it is impossible to happen. His persistence is unbelievable. In my case it was a good thing because he came back in for me after he became Liverpool manager and this time he got me. It was third time lucky. I will always be grateful to him for not giving up on me, even after I turned him down a couple of times. He gave me the opportunity to play in England for one of the greatest clubs in the world and I appreciate that so much.

Because I knew Liverpool wanted me early in the year I was able to take an interest in their run to Istanbul in the knowledge that they were going to become my club. I was already interested because there were so many Spanish people there, but their exploits in the Champions League meant I was getting more excited about the possibility of moving to Anfield with every passing round. The victories over Juventus and Chelsea in the quarter-finals and semi-finals stick in my mind, but as special as those occasions obviously were, they never made anything like the impact on me that the final against AC Milan did. I suppose that is the same for everyone in football. Whenever anyone mentions Istanbul it conjures up the most wonderful images.

I had spoken to Xabi Alonso about Liverpool beforehand because we were together in the Spain squad and I had a good friendship with him, but most of the conversations I had about the city were with Mikel Arteta. At the time, he was an Everton player through and through, but because of our friendship he was happy to help me and answer all of the questions that I had as I made my mind up about the transfer.

When it came down to it, it was definitely easier for me to make the decision to move to Liverpool because there were five Spanish players already there. The manager was Spanish, the goalkeeping coach was Spanish and so were a number of the staff. This wasn't crucial in my decision to join Liverpool, but it was definitely a factor because I knew it would be easier for me to settle in than it would have been if I'd gone to a very English club with a totally English mentality.

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The way I looked at it, Liverpool were a Spanish English club and that meant they were perfect for me. By signing for them straight after they won the European Cup it made me feel that I was joining something special and that the work that Benitez was doing at Liverpool would have to be respected because they had lifted one of the most important trophies. Rafa had become an important figure at Liverpool in just one year and he would have the respect of the supporters forever, so when he came for me I knew that the time was right to sign.

I arrived thinking that even if this only lasts for two or three years it could be really good, but something inside of me was making me feel that I would be there even longer than that.

I was only 22 when I made the move, an age which some people say is too young to go abroad to a new league, particularly for a goalkeeper. But as well as Liverpool being too good an opportunity to turn down, I also had personal reasons for wanting to go.

At the time my girlfriend, Yolanda, and my parents were not getting on too well so I thought it would be best for everyone if we went abroad together as a couple and put some space between my family and ourselves, just to allow everything to settle down. It wasn't as if there were major problems, but when you are a young couple, sometimes it is a good idea to find your own way in life. The way I saw it, this would be a chance for Yolanda and myself to start a family together in a new country. It was as much about establishing our own independence and our own way of doing things. Whatever the reason it worked because I am now happily married to Yolanda. We have three wonderful children, and our relationship with my parents is better than ever. Whoever said a change can do you good was spot on because moving to Liverpool was the making of us as a couple and as a family. We have never looked back.

When we first arrived in Liverpool we stayed at the Hope Street Hotel, which is a beautiful place in the city centre where the staff were really helpful to us as we tried to settle in.

Despite this, we found the first 15 days really hard. In fact, they were absolutely horrible. This was the middle of July and every single time I looked out of the window it was pouring down with rain. Not just short, sharp showers, these were full on downpours that meant we could do nothing much apart from sit in our hotel room and think of the roasting hot summer we had left behind in Spain.

I can remember saying to my wife: "What the hell is going on? Is it ever going to change or are we going to spend the rest of our lives carrying umbrellas and staying inside so as not to get soaked?"

It is something that you cannot prepare yourself for when you leave a country with a hot climate and go to one where it feels like it rains all the time. Credit to my wife, though, because when we had these moments of doubt about the move she made sure that I never even got close to the point where I questioned my decision to come to Liverpool. Now, we look back on that time and we laugh. It is quite funny to recall because the whole family is now totally settled and my wife has become a proper Scouse mum.

I didn't really care about the weather or the food. I had no qualms about moving to Liverpool, despite some people suggesting that Liverpool had some problems. If you look at any place, anywhere in the world, you can find reasons why it might be better to go somewhere else. If anything, the idea of going to Liverpool excited me. I knew it was a city of fighters with people who are willing to stand up for themselves, even when it seems that everyone is against them. I liked that idea. It is easy to live in the richest city where you have everything on your doorstep and the politicians are helping you all the time. Liverpool is not like that and that makes it a challenge for everyone who lives there. There was something about that which captured my imagination. Then, when I looked at what the football club had achieved throughout its history, it made moving to Liverpool a no-brainer. The city and the club attracted me and no amount of rain or freezing cold summer days were going to put me off. Well, not in theory anyway.

Driving wasn't the problem that I had perhaps expected it to be. I got used to driving in the left-hand lane fairly quickly and my only trouble is that I still use a car that is left-hand drive because that is what I prefer. Whenever I pull over to get a ticket to go and park I have to throw myself across to the window on the opposite side of the car to grab it. It surprised me how quickly I got used to driving on the opposite side of the road, so much so that there have been a couple of times when it has almost got me into trouble when I am back home in Spain.

On a couple of occasions I have been driving along the road minding my own business and then all of a sudden a car is travelling towards me in my lane. 'Where the hell is this lunatic going?' I think and then I realise that it's me who is in the wrong lane and I have to get across to the right-hand side of the road before I cause an accident. That shows how much I have got used to the English way of doing things.

Sometimes people don't realise that a foreign player has to take all these new ways of life into account when they move to a new team. They look at the fabled lifestyle of a footballer, the kind that they see in the newspapers and on TV, and it makes them think that it must be easy no matter who you are or where you are from. But it doesn't matter what your job is, when you move to a new country your life changes altogether and that can be tough. You have to pick up the language, adapt your culture, get used to a new way of driving and adjust to a different climate - and you do all this without the support network that you had at home. Ultimately none of that mattered to me. I knew that I was going to a fantastic league and to one of the greatest clubs in the world. For all of the natural concerns I had about going abroad at a young age it was an easy decision for me to go to Liverpool.

My first impression of Liverpool Football Club was that it was totally different to Villarreal. It was a massive club that had been crowned champions of Europe only weeks before my arrival and it was based in the north of a big city. Villarreal has a population of only 40,000 people and every single person at the club knows one another. After six years at Liverpool there are still people who work for the club, particularly in the offices, who I do not know because the organisation is so big. So it was the size of the club that struck me first, but then I began to realise and understand its history, appreciate the supporters and started to come to terms with the expectations of playing for one of the most successful clubs in the history of European football. At Barcelona it had been different because I had grown up at the club. That meant I knew almost everything about it by the time I broke into the first-team. At Liverpool it was all new and it did take getting used to.

The first challenge I had was to establish myself in the dressing room. This is not as it easy as it sounds. When I first walked in, I saw Stevie Gerrard, one of the best players in the world; Sami Hyypia, a Liverpool legend; Xabi Alonso, a great player who had scored in the Champions League final, and so on and so on. Everywhere I looked there was a European champion and I was stood there with hardly a winners' medal to my name.

I had confidence in myself but I also knew that I could be punching above my weight so all I could do at first was keep my head down, work hard and try to prove myself. There were a few characters at Anfield when I joined. Didi Hamann was a very funny guy and we hit it off straight away. Crouchy joined the club in the same summer as I did and he was also funny, so it was good to be a part of a dressing room where there were people who would have a laugh. But this shouldn't give the wrong impression because that dressing room was also more professional than any I had encountered in my career to that point.

Every single player was more professional in the way they trained and the way they prepared for games than I was used to in Spain. That sent a message to me. I realised how serious football was taken in the Premier League and I knew that I had to reach that level. I had to look after myself and I had to give my all at every single moment because if I hadn't it would have been noticeable. The players didn't tend to socialise that much outside the dressing room - not because there was a problem or a bad atmosphere, it's just that we did not tend to go out for dinner or nights out together much. It was friendly but professional.

Like I say, there was a community of Spanish players there. Xabi, Luis Garcia, Fernando Morientes and Josemi were all at the club - and this undoubtedly made it easier for me to settle in. They were telling me everything that I had to do, all the rules I needed to follow and showing me where I needed to go. Thanks to them, the adaptation process was much easier than it might otherwise have been.

There was a massive interest in us in Spain. Liverpool had won the Champions League the previous year and because there were so many Spaniards in the team one newspaper even called us "El Benitels". Every single Liverpool game was shown on television in Spain and the people in my country were loving the club because they saw us as unofficial representatives of our homeland. That was really important for us because it showed that the project we were involved in mattered a lot. Had we been at a club that had no chance of success or that noone was interested in outside of their own supporters then we would have been a curiosity in Spain, but not much else.

There are some things that even my compatriots could not help with though and the English language, or rather the Scouse accent, did take some getting used to at first. I was looking around the city one time, seeing a few sights, and I thought I would go to see the cathedrals. I didn't know exactly where they were so I stopped someone in the street to ask for directions.

"Excuse me, can you tell me where the church is?" I asked in my very best English accent.

"The wha'?" came the reply.

"The church," I repeated, making a cross with my fingers to illustrate what I meant. Still all I got were more blank looks as if I was crazy.

"The church. You know, Jesus Christ and all that."

"If yer wanted to know where the cheerch was why didn't yer say?"

I'd stood there for five minutes repeating myself over and over again, doing hand signals and all kinds, but I still couldn't get across where I wanted to go because I couldn't say church like a Scouser says it.

Most of the staff at Melwood didn't speak English, they spoke Scouse. It was very difficult to understand because it is so fast and there is so much slang. Now, when I speak with English people when I am abroad, they ask me if I am a Scouser. It is one of the best compliments I can have because it means I am a part of Liverpool and one of the people. I wouldn't have it any other way. Now even my daughters sound Scouse when they talk. Not Scouse like Stevie or Carra, but you can definitely tell that they come from Liverpool and that makes me proud. But it was hard to get used to at first.

I only spoke a little bit of English when I arrived - only as much as I had learned at school. It was a handicap for me to have so many Spanish speaking players and staff with me at Melwood because it was easy to lapse into speaking in our native tongue. Rafa kept on going on at us, telling us that we had to speak English all the time. Sometimes it was annoying because you just want to get a message across quickly and the easiest way would have been just to talk in Spanish.

But the principle that Rafa was trying to enforce was right. We needed to show respect to our team-mates by speaking in English, even if it was hard sometimes. We were playing in England so it was only right that we should do that. Still, there were times when no-one was around that we would have a chat in Spanish. We would always make sure Rafa couldn't catch us first though!

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I was taken on a tour of Anfield and the museum at the stadium. When I saw the stadium without any people in it, it was still really impressive and it made a big impression on me. But it could not compare to my home debut which came against a team that I had never even heard of before I came to England.

Total Network Solutions, or TNS as they are better known, a team from the League of Wales, were my first opponents as a Liverpool FIVE STAR RED player after we were drawn to play against them in the qualifying rounds for the 2005/06 Champions League. Because we entered the competition at such an early stage after UEFA had only allowed us to defend the European Cup on the basis that we started in the qualifiers it meant our season, and my Liverpool career, kicked off in mid-July.

The game was always going to be memorable for me, particularly as Stevie made my debut even more special by scoring a hat-trick in a 3-0 win, but there was another player who will never forget that night. The TNS game was the first time I had played alongside John Arne Riise - and I ended up punching him! He was a really good team-mate and I didn't mean it, of course. A cross came into the box and I punched the ball away, but I caught Riise as well and knocked him down.

As he was getting up off the floor he started laughing and said to me: "f***ing hell, what have you just done to me?" I said: "Listen, I shouted 'keeper, keeper' and when you hear that you have to move otherwise I hit your head." It was an important moment because it showed the way I was intending to go about things.

The main difficulty for me settling in at Anfield was that I was replacing one of the heroes of Istanbul. A few months earlier I had been dumbstruck when Jerzy Dudek made that save from Andriy Shevchenko in the Champions League final, and I had celebrated when he stopped a penalty from the same player to win the European Cup for Liverpool. But here I was taking his place in the team. It was a pressure for me, there is no question about that.

However, everyone knew that I was not coming into the team because of anything he had done in that game. I was given the opportunity because Rafa had not been convinced by his goalkeepers over the course of the entire 2004/05 season. The goalkeeper's position had been filled in turn by Jerzy, Chris Kirkland and Scott Carson. The stability was not there. It was clear that Rafa wanted someone to be his number one in every game and I was the person that he thought was right for that role. I could not do anything about the situation with the other keepers and I could not afford to worry too much about them, not even Jerzy, because if I had done then I would have been distracted and would not have been able to do my best. But of course I was a little bit scared because I was following in the footsteps of someone who had played a crucial role in Liverpool winning their fifth European Cup. It wasn't as if I was replacing a player who the fans did not like. I managed to get my head around it by realising that if the manager had phoned me 25 times in two hours telling me to come to Liverpool it was because he wanted me and trusted me.

My decision to join Liverpool was vindicated because in the first few years we were fighting for every trophy apart from the Premier League. We won the FA Cup and we were one of the teams to beat in Europe.

That Liverpool team is the one that the fans want to watch again and it is where we need to be. We need to be one of the best eight teams in Europe every year, not failing even to qualify for the Champions League. If you are lucky enough to be at a club that has set the standards for everyone else then you have to do everything that you possibly can to live up to expectations. We have to be fighting for the league every year and fighting for the European Cup. This is not optional at Liverpool, it is the way it always has to be and if it were ever to stop being like this then the club would be changed forever. It was once said that Liverpool Football Club exists to win trophies, but it is even more than that, as far as I am concerned - it exists to win big trophies. We are like Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Juventus and Bayern Munich, giants of the game. When you are a member of the elite you have to act like one and this means competing for the biggest prizes.

I actually got my hands on a winners' medal just two months into my Liverpool career when we won the Super Cup against CSKA Moscow in the Stade Louis II Stadium in Monaco. It was another comeback in a European final. We went behind in the first half and took it to extra-time through substitute Djibril Cisse's equaliser late on. Another Cisse goal and one from Luis gave us victory without the need for any heroics from me in a penalty shoot-out.

The temptation may have been to think that this was what it would always be like, playing for a big club in a showpiece occasion and walking away with a trophy. But for me it was more about the past than it was about the future because I look upon the Super Cup, the Charity Shield and the World Club Championships as trophies for last year. What I mean by that is you only get to play in those matches because of what the team has achieved in the previous season. It is not like the FA Cup Final or the Champions League Final, which are your rewards for what you have done during that campaign. So while I was happy to pick up a medal in Monaco it did not satisfy my desire to win trophies in the slightest because I knew that the big competitions for that season - the ones that mattered most to the players, management and supporters - were still to come.

Even if I had thought that winning the Super Cup was a sign of things to come then I would have had my mind changed pretty dramatically just a month later when Chelsea beat us 4-1 at home in the Premier League. We had actually drawn 0-0 against them at Anfield in the Champions League just a few days earlier and there were no signs in that game that we were about to be on the receiving end of the kind of hiding that makes you realise how big the challenge is that you are facing. Chelsea were the English champions at the time and they were the most powerful team in the country thanks to the spending power of Roman Abramovich. It was a really bad day for us because Liverpool do not lose games 4-1 at Anfield, but after Stevie had equalised Frank Lampard's goal in the first half, Chelsea took control and we had no answers. It was a reality check for us and for me in particular because it showed how far we had to go.

Again though, the consolation was provided by our supporters because I did not see them being really angry with us, even though we had lost so heavily to one of our biggest rivals.

If that happens in Spain, then the supporters are outraged. While the Liverpool fans were not happy - they would have been crazy if they were - they still supported us all the way and did not turn on us. There are times when things go wrong on the pitch that you are still able to take something positive from the game. This was one of those occasions. It showed me that if we gave everything for Liverpool then the supporters would always be with us. That is a special feeling and it convinced me even more that I had joined a special club.

Sometimes it is the small things that help you realise that you have made the right decision. That was one of the reasons why I felt settled at Liverpool straight away. I had an instant sense of belonging and that was thanks to my team-mates, the manager, the staff and the supporters. I was more than one thousand miles away from my hometown of Cordoba, but I had never felt so at home.

I knew I had come to the right place



Added on October 11, 2011, 1:22 amAdd On:

Goal.Com post was done on 8th of October. Obviously the damage was done, so LFC.TV extracted this and posted on 10th of October, 2011.

Pay attention to EVERY word that Pepe Reina has to say. Especially the part where he talked about supporters. and the last line.


Added on October 11, 2011, 1:34 amhttp://uk.yahoo.eurosport.com/football/chat.shtml?chatid=c4885047bb

this webcast is full of win. Pepe Reina

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Reds vs United : 10 Ways for Reds To Secure Victory

Sir Alex Ferguson may have already succeeded at knocking Liverpool off their perch but there are few other games in the Premier League that equal the fire and brimstone of Manchester United taking on the Merseyside club. This season's first installment takes place October 15th at Anfield with United sitting pretty at the top of the league and Dalglish already dropping points at the Britannia and White Hart Lane.

United were fortunate that Norwich couldn't take advantage of their chances in their previous match while Liverpool enjoyed match official Martin Atkinson's favor during their 2-0 victory at Goodison Park. Three points are at stake but players and fans from both sides will treat this match as the Cup final that it always seems to be.

The last time these two teams met Dirk Kuyt scored a memorable hat trick at Anfield and Ferguson will be keen to consign that result to history.

Here are 10 steps Liverpool can take to secure three points on Saturday.

1. Smack Charlie Adam out of the Funk That He's In

At halftime against Everton, Chalie Adam should have been looking back on a sumptuous 20-plus-yard goal but he was denied by the woodwork. The Scottish passer has been unlucky this season not to add to his goal tally but it is his bread and butter that should concern Dalglish, not his shooting.

For the past few games the midfielder has been noticeably sub-par in Liverpool's engine room, looking for the Hollywood ball and missing passes in abundance. Furthermore, nobody would ever call Adam "quick" but his lack of any sort of pace is a serious concern against the fast, fluid nature of United's offence.

Adam was never going to be the player he was with Blackpool; he plays much deeper and more defensively than he ever did last season where Ian Holloway's team was moulded around him. The Scotsman clearly has the ability but contesting a midfield battle against a rejuvenated Anderson, as well as whoever Fergie decides to dress for battle, will be his biggest test yet.

Dalglish needs to galvanize his summer recruit and get him playing the kind of football we know he's capable of.

2. Shackle the Influence of Ashley Young

Looking back at the summer transfer market, you had to feel sorry for Aston Villa, who were stripped of arguably their two most valuable assets in Stewart Downing (£20 million to Liverpool) and Ashley Young (£15 million to United). Taking the start of this season into account you'd think Liverpool massively overpaid but Young was in the last year of his contract and therefore was available for a relative bargain.

Downing has amassed a disappointing zero goals/assists on Merseyside in 585 minutes of football while Young has two goals and six assists in only 479 minutes. Furthermore, the current incumbent on England's left wing has slotted seamlessly into Sir Alex Ferguson's side and his interplay with Wayne Rooney, Danny Welbeck and the rest of the United team has been outstanding.

In order to put a halt on the Red Devils' firepower, Dalglish will need to find a way to contain Young. Taking into account Martin Skrtel's torrid experience against Gareth Bale at White Hart Lane, surely Martin Kelly (if fit) will play right-back and be up against the United winger. Young's ability to drift anywhere along the forward line will require constant communication between Kelly and Lucas Leiva, who will already have his hands full.

If Liverpool can stop Young or limit his crossing it will serve to starve Rooney and his strike partner of possession and limit the considerable damage they would otherwise inflict.

3. Don't Attempt To Unsettle de Gea with Useless Long Balls

It hasn't worked and it simply isn't a viable strategy. David de Gea has saved more shots than any other goalkeeper in the Premier League and attempting to expose this perceived "weakness" in his game is ridiculous. Let me make this a little more clear: Jamie mate, keep it on the deck!

You have to feel for Andy Carroll who simply by being on the pitch encourages route-one football; this isn't a strategy that is going to work against Manchester United. Looking at this ploy in a different light, however, there is an argument for early balls into the box, with a view to try and catch out Phil Jones or pit Rio Ferdinand's dodgy back against Andy Carroll.

If Carroll does start on Saturday, he needs to get nasty and he needs to throw his considerable bulk around a little more. Vidic would relish the physical battle against the Englishman but Ferdinand and Jones may be more susceptible to a little bullying, provided the service from the flanks is of sufficient quality. Luis Suarez will certainly be there or thereabouts to pick up the scraps.

4. Retain Dirk Kuyt Ahead of Jordan Henderson on the Right Flank

We'll forgo the further inquisition into Jordan Henderson's career and focus on why Dirk Kuyt should retain his place in the first team. The Dutchman's awareness was in the spotlight against Everton when he ducked under Luis Enrique's cutback to allow Andy Carroll to lash in his first goal of the 2011/2012 season. He has been disappointed at a lack of starts this season but should start at Anfield on Saturday.

Aside from his inexhaustible supply of energy, Kuyt will be integral in helping out his defenders deal with Ashley Young. Liverpool's No. 18 was probably Rafa Benitez's first name on the team sheet because of what he offered defensively on the team's right flank. Limiting Young's influence and checking the forward forays of Patrice Evra will be the priority for Kuyt.

On the other hand, last season's mauling of United saw Kuyt notch his first Premier League hat trick. His dogged persistence capped a world-class display from Luis Suarez, and showed Dalglish that his striker's instincts haven been dulled despite life at Anfield on the right wing.

5. Restrict Nani's Shooting Opportunities to the Bare Minimum

After a hugely impressive 2010/2011 season it seems Nani has picked up where he left off and refused to let Ashley Young hog the limelight. The pre-op Michael Jackson look-alike has been irresistible this season, keeping Antonio Valencia out of the first team and scoring some outrageous goals.

Nani has been most effective when running at defenders with the ball at his feet, twisting and turning until he is presented with a clear goal-scoring opportunity. The threat posed by the Portuguese winger is of a different nature from Young and will likewise require an alternative means of defensive organization. Getting bodies between Nani and Pepe Reina is paramount to ensuring he can't rifle in another long-range goal.

Jose Enrique will likely be able to match him for pace, but it will be up to Stewart Downing to assert himself and force Nani to track back and help out his defenders. When the winger doesn't have the ball he is pretty useless and Dalglish won't be able to stress this enough to his players.

6. Aggravate and Antagonize Wayne Rooney

With each successive season it seems that we're seeing a more mature and developed Wayne Rooney but as England vs. Montenegro showed us on Friday, the same animal exists just under the surface. Regardless of whether his stamp deserved a red card or how long his suspension is, the simple fact is he was frustrated and he lashed out, to the detriment of his team.

Playing the game on a psychological level is often frowned upon, as there is really nothing as low as actively attempting to get another player sent off through play-acting or diving. But the Reds are playing United and therefore the rulebook goes out the window (get those hands limbered up Suarez!). While we don't have the likes of Javier Mascherano to instigate opponents anymore, anything Liverpool can do to unsettle Rooney will help the cause.

It's been a rough October, and the prospect of missing matches at the European Championships next summer as well as his father's recent trouble with the law may have "the boy" on edge already. A few kicks here, some pokes there and we may provoke the red mist and remove him from the contest entirely.

The problem with Rooney is he may simply ignore it all and go on to score a hat trick...

7. Expose Phil Jones When He Atetmpts To Make Runs Forward

It remains to be seen what sort of back four Ferguson fields on Saturday but it's highly likely that Phil Jones will feature in some capacity. The young Englishman has been the talk of the town for his rampaging enthusiasm and will to transition play from defense to attack like Gerard Pique does for Barcelona. Fergie has used him at right-back so far, but due to a hefty injury list he'll likely start alongside Rio Ferdinand in the center.

Jones has been commended in the media for his technical ability and pace going forward, however this double-edged sword should be front and center in Luis Suarez's mind come the weekend. Against Basel in the Champions League Jones was culpable for overplaying when defending his own 18-yard box which led to the concession of a penalty.

When Jones looks to gallop up the pitch on a United attack, it may just serve to provide enough of an opening to hit them on the break.

8. Don't Bloody Conceed a Stupid Early Goal!

In March 2009, Liverpool went down 1-0 to United when Jose Reina brought down Park Ji Sung and Cristiano Ronaldo converted the subsequent penalty at Old Trafford. It looked like it was going to be one of those days until Fernando Torres subjected Nemanja Vidic to a hurricane of humiliation that continues to wake the Serbian in the middle of the night. At 4-1 on 90 minutes, the stadium was nearly empty but this is an extremely rare example of United getting a foothold in a match then losing it.

On Saturday at Anfield, Liverpool's top priority should be finishing the first half without conceding. No team has been able to keep out this United side for the full match but as Norwich showed us they can be stifled. Keeping Wayne Rooney off the score sheet will require a monumental level of concentration from Jamie Carragher and Company but it is the only way to give the team a chance at victory.

With the defensive problems United currently have, it would be tempting to pile on as much pressure as possible from kickoff but caution should rule the opening exchanges. Chelsea shipped a few goals against United early on and even though they bossed the remainder of the game, it was too little too late. Liverpool need to realise this and keep it tight at the back.

9. Don't Rush Steven Gerrard Back into the First Team

The large red elephant in the room is how exactly Dalglish is going to go about reintroducing Steven Gerrard into this team. Liverpool's talisman has been restricted to two substitute appearances since his six-month layoff and has likely been in his manager's office all week badgering him for a starting spot against the Reds' bitter rivals.

The like-for-like change would be the Scouser coming in for Adam beside Lucas in midfield, but he could also be deployed further forward to play behind Suarez. The second option would likely raise concerns about damaging Andy Carroll's fragile confidence by dropping him after his goal against Everton, but the team comes first and there's no room for egos and hurt feelings.

So should Gerrard start? The gut feeling is no, simply because he hasn't played enough minutes to be sharp enough. On the other hand this is Liverpool vs. United at Anfield and nobody is going to be more fired up Saturday than Gerrard. Which may in theory be the problem as an overly enthusiastic No. 8 could lead to an early booking or gaps in our defensive line.

You'd be hard-pressed to imagine a time when Liverpool had someone of Gerrard's calibre to summon as a late-game substitute, and in the interest of starting the match well, Dalglish will surely keep him on the bench.

10. Kenny Dalglish Needs To Give the Mother of All Pep Talks

It's early in the season, yes, but the Manchester clubs have set the bar and so far nobody has come close to matching it. Win on Saturday and Liverpool move back into the top four and pierce the invincible aura that United have erected this season. Beat them and the resulting euphoria and momentum may well carry us into December.

Lose against United and well, it honestly won't make much difference in the long run save for the immediate bragging rights and arrogance we'll have to deal with from United supporters. They've manhandled almost everyone and will continue to dish out humblings as the season progresses.

Liverpool really have nothing to lose at this point, although being beaten at Anfield by Fergie will rankle supporters and pile on the pressure for the Old Trafford return leg. The Merseyside derby was decided thanks to a dodgy refereeing decision, and we missed out on the typical blood and thunder these games have produced in the past.

There's certainly no love lost between Manchester United and Liverpool, and all eyes will be on one of football's fiercest rivalries come Sunday. The players shouldn't need it but a rousing Fergie-esque hair-dryer treatment from Dalglish will go some way towards getting his soldiers in the mood.



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Brilliant! Love it. biggrin.gif

"Most of the staff at Melwood didn't speak English, they spoke Scouse. It was very difficult to understand because it is so fast and there is so much slang. Now, when I speak with English people when I am abroad, they ask me if I am a Scouser. It is one of the best compliments I can have because it means I am a part of Liverpool and one of the people. I wouldn't have it any other way. Now even my daughters sound Scouse when they talk. Not Scouse like Stevie or Carra, but you can definitely tell that they come from Liverpool and that makes me proud"
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Lose against United and well, it honestly won't make much difference in the long run save for the immediate bragging rights and arrogance we'll have to deal with from United supporters.

my nujum pak belalang exaclty told me this! tongue.gif

juz play exactly what KD plan, and we will win
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QUOTE(kiLLua the babap @ Oct 11 2011, 12:56 PM)
Lose against United and well, it honestly won't make much difference in the long run save for the immediate bragging rights and arrogance we'll have to deal with from United supporters.

my nujum pak belalang exaclty told me this!  tongue.gif

juz play exactly what KD plan, and we will win
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It's a game above all the others. It will be an epic if we could nick the 3 points. Morale boost for the UCL spot chase. No matter what happens at the top standing, we need to keep the pace on UCL spot.
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nujum nujum ni tak boleh percaya.

i just hope we can nick 3 points.
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 11 2011, 11:48 AM)
Reds vs United : 10 Ways for Reds To Secure Victory

Don't Attempt To Unsettle de Gea with Useless Long Balls. Let me make this a little more clear: Jamie mate, keep it on the deck!


this is priceless rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 11 2011, 11:50 AM)
Brilliant! Love it. biggrin.gif

"Most of the staff at Melwood didn't speak English, they spoke Scouse. It was very difficult to understand because it is so fast and there is so much slang. Now, when I speak with English people when I am abroad, they ask me if I am a Scouser. It is one of the best compliments I can have because it means I am a part of Liverpool and one of the people. I wouldn't have it any other way. Now even my daughters sound Scouse when they talk. Not Scouse like Stevie or Carra, but you can definitely tell that they come from Liverpool and that makes me proud"
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how to learn to talk in scouse way ?
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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Oct 11 2011, 04:02 PM)
how to learn to talk in scouse way ?
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Youse will find it difficult to learn scouse language, cause youse not from Liverpool neighborhood.
LOL. How the hell I know? I'm Malaysian. drool.gif
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Youse will find it difficult to learn scouse language, cause youse not from Liverpool neighborhood.
LOL. How the hell I know? I'm Malaysian.  drool.gif
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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Oct 11 2011, 04:02 PM)
how to learn to talk in scouse way ?
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It's pretty complicated to explain how to learn, but if you stick around with the right scousers, you'll learn it quickly.
If you want to know how scousers sounds like, watch Hollyoaks In The City , guess it was 2006 / 2007. Or even better listen to Carra & Gerrard brows.gif
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@hyperyouth_firepower
thanks for the great read!!!

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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Oct 11 2011, 04:18 PM)
Luckily Mancunians don't support Man Utd... i don't have to learn to speak Mancunian English.. tongue.gif
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@80stoyshop, @ Duke Red: smile.gif


Discussion about Pepe is rife, especially about the media trying to unsettle Reina, Gerrard and Carragher. But I guess a short visit to history would suffice.

and no, that book wasn't an attack to Gerrard and Carra. Far from it.
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Sorry mate you lost me for a bit. Which book is this?

On a separate note, my admiration for Carra isn't exactly the best kept secret and amidst the criticism he's been receiving of late for being out of sorts, I've always maintained that he is the type of player who would step down if he felt he could no longer contribute. Just last week there was an article stating that he was contemplating retiring in the next 2 years. It speaks volumes of the kind of guy he is. He's willing to step aside if it's in the best interest of the team. It's like Carra always says, "the club comes first".

Here's what the fans have to say about him.



There is a reason his is the only player's name I have on my kits. I don't even have a "Gerrard" kit.

We all dream of a team of Carraghers...



Wanna learn to speak Scouse?



It'll be an honour for me to have seen him play his first and last game for us. If you have asked me back then what I thought of our Carra, I'd have said he didn't deserve a spot in the starting 11. How wrong he proved me to be. It is extremely rare these days to find players as loyal and dedicated to their clubs. He isn't the most gifted of footballers but he'd willingly put his body on the line for the club. He is the soul of LFC and he represents everything I like about the club. For that, he is a living legend. Let me try to articulate why I love him so.



23. Carra. Gold.
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The article in Soccernet about Pepe's row with Carra is like a feeble attempt to unsettle the team. What really wonders me is why write nonsense when you got nothing else to write? After reading the article, it was a mere argument that later was settled when they apologize. No doubt this is only the winning mentality in them and wanting whats best for the team. Goodluck PEPE! love'd your enthusiasm during the game against the bitters smile.gif
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WTH is suarez official facebook? Anyone?

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QUOTE(ahmar @ Oct 11 2011, 07:31 PM)
The article in Soccernet about Pepe's row with Carra is like a feeble attempt to unsettle the team. What really wonders me is why write nonsense when you got nothing else to write? After reading the article, it was a mere argument that later was settled when they apologize. No doubt this is only the winning mentality in them and wanting whats best for the team. Goodluck PEPE! love'd your enthusiasm during the game against the bitters smile.gif
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Not a damaging article in my opinion. It's common for teammates to be at odds with one another every now and then. It just shows you how important the game is to them. The bottom line is they made up after without having to swing golf clubs at one another. It was a mild incident in comparison the McManaman vs. Grobbelar one.


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i'm got a bad dream...we got beaten by manyu...btw, dream always inverse to real situation..that mean we will beaten them biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Oct 11 2011, 08:10 PM)
i'm got a bad dream...we got beaten by manyu...btw, dream always inverse to real situation..that mean we will beaten them  biggrin.gif
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if we are over confident we'll lose.. if we have faith then we'll win...

happened to me for almost any big match like :
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Che 0-1 Liv ( chelski too confident think torres 1st app can beat us biggrin.gif )
Liv 0-2 Tot (last season for 5th spot)
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good time to relax before the next important match . Enjoy guys !
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 11 2011, 07:40 PM)
Not a damaging article in my opinion. It's common for teammates to be at odds with one another every now and then. It just shows you how important the game is to them. The bottom line is they made up after without having to swing golf clubs at one another. It was a mild incident in comparison the McManaman vs. Grobbelar one.


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Indeed it isn't damaging, but more like a cheap shot or a feeble attempt. This arguments are fueled by passion and determination which hardly a bad criteria to have. In fact the team should take that as an example (just like how p***ed Suarez gets when he misses a goal).

Hope we defend our fortress this weekend with the same passion like Pepe and Carra. I foresee our Capt. playing a big role this weekend as well. flex.gif
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if im not mistaken...

we failed to score from penalties so far this season right?
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if im not mistaken...

we failed to score from penalties so far this season right?
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only 2 penalties right?

I preferred Gerrard to take the penalty, more confident on him.

btw, any news on Kelly, G. Johnson? hope KD going to choose the right RB,
to put pressure on Young..
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Oct 11 2011, 09:28 PM)
if we are over confident we'll lose.. if we have faith then we'll win...

happened to me for almost any big match like :
Man U 1-4 Liv
Che 0-1 Liv ( chelski too confident think torres 1st app can beat us  biggrin.gif )
Liv 0-2 Tot (last season for 5th spot)
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I got a feeling that we will grab the 3 points in style.
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 12 2011, 09:14 AM)
I got a feeling that we will grab the 3 points in style.
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but,i've been having nightmares about this match cry.gif
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Liverpool threaten TV breakaway

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...eakaway?cc=4716



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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Oct 12 2011, 09:29 AM)
yeahh  flex.gif

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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 12 2011, 09:53 AM)
Ian did mentioned about Kuala Lumpur. Liverpool fans in Malaysia really did a great impact and are recognized after their visit to KL. nod.gif

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QUOTE(Luminous2 @ Oct 12 2011, 11:39 AM)
Ian did mentioned about Kuala Lumpur. Liverpool fans in Malaysia really did a great impact and are recognized after their visit to KL.  nod.gif
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Yeah.Even on facebook they posted a link to a story about how a malaysian became a liverpool fan.
If i am not mistaken it sounded like one of our kop talk forummer story. hmm.gif
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Yeah.Even on facebook they posted a link to a story about how a malaysian became a liverpool fan.
If i am not mistaken it sounded like one of our kop talk forummer story. hmm.gif
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so what is your opinion guys? distributed equally or else?
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 12 2011, 09:53 AM)
That would be quite unfair to the other clubs right? Look what it did to La Liga, it's dominated by Barca and Real every season.
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From a Liverpool perspective, I'd have to agree with Ian Ayre. Yes, people do watch Wolves play Norwich for example if nothing else is on but I'm sure they'd much rather see Liverpool play Bolton. I understand that there needs to be opportunity for smaller sides to grow but this has to happen in stages. As it is, we've just started talking about financial fairplay let's see how that works out first. If you make the battleground totally even, then what's in it for bigger sides? Shouldn't they be allowed to reap the rewards of their endevour?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 12 2011, 01:45 PM)
From a Liverpool perspective, I'd have to agree with Ian Ayre. Yes, people do watch Wolves play Norwich for example if nothing else is on but I'm sure they'd much rather see Liverpool play Bolton. I understand that there needs to be opportunity for smaller sides to grow but this has to happen in stages. As it is, we've just started talking about financial fairplay let's see how that works out first. If you make the battleground totally even, then what's in it for bigger sides? Shouldn't they be allowed to reap the rewards of their endevour?
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Financial fair play doesnt work with Manchester City. They just had stadium name sponsored by Etihad at 400 million just to balance the books if i am not mistaken. There are loopholes at the moment. Putting transfer cap and wage cap will destroy some part of excitement but the market will not be so inflated however it will not be in practiced because people dont like it.
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Aldo believes Luis Suarez can expose the defensive vulnerabilities of one of our fiercest rivals on Saturday.

The Reds take on Manchester United knowing victory would leave them just three points behind the league leaders. Last time the sides met at Anfield Dirk Kuyt fired a hat-trick - but Suarez was the catalyst for what was a memorable 3-1 win.

And Aldo has seen enough of the champions this season to believe the Uruguayan can give them a sense of deja vu."Make no mistake, Alex Ferguson will be very, very wary of Suarez this weekend," said the former Reds striker, who scored one goal in four games for Liverpool against the Mancunians.

"He knows his side have a lot of defensive flaws that can be exposed. They have been great going forward, fantastic to watch, but they are vulnerable. "Even the likes of Basle and Norwich have shown that recently. "If Suarez brings his top form, Liverpool will be in a great position. He ran United absolutely ragged when the sides last met back in March.

"He made all three goals, and gave the United defenders nightmares all afternoon. Dirk Kuyt got a hat-trick, but Suarez was the star man."

Reds vs Mancs - 15mins HL

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Aldo believes Luis Suarez can expose the defensive vulnerabilities of one of our fiercest rivals on Saturday.

The Reds take on Manchester United knowing victory would leave them just three points behind the league leaders. Last time the sides met at Anfield Dirk Kuyt fired a hat-trick - but Suarez was the catalyst for what was a memorable 3-1 win.

And Aldo has seen enough of the champions this season to believe the Uruguayan can give them a sense of deja vu."Make no mistake, Alex Ferguson will be very, very wary of Suarez this weekend," said the former Reds striker, who scored one goal in four games for Liverpool against the Mancunians.

"He knows his side have a lot of defensive flaws that can be exposed. They have been great going forward, fantastic to watch, but they are vulnerable. "Even the likes of Basle and Norwich have shown that recently. "If Suarez brings his top form, Liverpool will be in a great position. He ran United absolutely ragged when the sides last met back in March.

"He made all three goals, and gave the United defenders nightmares all afternoon. Dirk Kuyt got a hat-trick, but Suarez was the star man."

Reds vs Mancs - 15mins HL
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Just wanted to urge caution here.That time united were using their makeshift defence without rio and vidic so suarez run them ragged.I am pretty sure their defence will be much better this time with phil jones and ferdinand available.However i am hoping evans plays in the centre tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 12 2011, 05:24 PM)
Just wanted to urge caution here.That time united were using their makeshift defence without rio and vidic so suarez run them ragged.I am pretty sure their defence will be much better this time with phil jones and ferdinand available.However i am hoping evans plays in the centre tongue.gif
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SAF will be sticking to his young "guns" and pile them up to stop any movements from Suarez and the gang. What ever it is, hope we see good football from our end and possibly 3-happy-weekend-points-for-fans
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 12 2011, 05:24 PM)
Just wanted to urge caution here.That time united were using their makeshift defence without rio and vidic so suarez run them ragged.I am pretty sure their defence will be much better this time with phil jones and ferdinand available.However i am hoping evans plays in the centre tongue.gif
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I am more optimistic this time. Rooney will kick someone and gets send off again. Then Nani will rage at the referee and gets his 2nd booking.
Just take care of Ashley Young and we are good. Hehe rclxms.gif
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I am more optimistic this time. Rooney will kick someone and gets send off again. Then Nani will rage at the referee and gets his 2nd booking.
Just take care of Ashley Young and we are good. Hehe  rclxms.gif
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I was asked by .tv to write something about the one-year anniversary of FSG's takeover, so I thought I'd revisit my writing style from last year and hark back to something. Hope you enjoy.

I wrote this open letter to Stephen Hester, CEO of Royal Bank of Scotland, in August 2010.

Dear Mr. Hester,

Grobbelaar; Harkness, Hysen, Tanner, Burrows; McManaman, Molby, McMahon, Walters; Rush, Saunders

These names will mean nothing to you. In fact, these names, collectively, will probably mean nothing to most Liverpool supporters.

To me, it’s that biting October wind. It’s the moment the door is knocked upon and your granddad stands there. It’s a hat, cap, badge or a scarf as you walk down Walton Breck Road and catch sight of what will come to define you as both a football fan and a person.

Port Vale, Rumbelows Cup third round, 29 October 1991. My first match at Anfield. It wouldn’t be the last.

I studied Dickens and Shakespeare at great depth in university, but my memory can hardly differentiate between Macbeth and Magwitch. The midfield of McManaman, Molby and McMahon is a different story.

I remember seeing the ball hit the net from Rush’s header and hearing the sparse Kop roar. I will never forget the touch of my granddad’s hug as we scored as the smell of celebratory cigarettes filled the night air. My first taste of Liverpool Football Club.

Ask any Liverpool fan about their first experience and they’ll be similarly encyclopaedic, because that’s what supporting this football club is about. A mosaic of memories in your mind displayed every time you see your team play.

This football club has the most impressive mosaic of all. That famous Anfield roar on a European night originates from the voices of the thousands who have gone before us. Inter Milan, St. Etienne, Auxerre, Roma, Olympiakos, Juventus, Chelsea. Layer upon layer of the club's history being created by us, the fans.

Football is the purest form of escapism. For 90 minutes, it doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor, married or single. For 90 minutes, it doesn't matter if you're a lawyer, a librarian or a landscape architect. You get lost in the experience of innocence.

Part of you drifts back to that night against Port Vale, or that league match against Norwich; that time when all that mattered in the world was who started up front.

That innocence has been ruined by snakes who slithered into our garden and offered David Moores the fruit of his labours three-and-a-half years ago. Moores devoured, and now Liverpool supporters have to suffer for his sin.

Now, it feels like we have to be chartered accountants to understand the football club. We’re sending letters to your bank using words and terms it’s not our job to fully comprehend. When my grandfather took me to that Port Vale game in 1991, he was taking me to watch a football match, not a business venture.

All of our actions and efforts to remove Hicks & Gillett are necessary evils. Just because we do it doesn’t mean we enjoy it. It will make us stronger and it will bring the fans of this football club together once more, but I look forward to the day we can all stand united over our support for a new left-back, as opposed to disdain for leveraged buyouts.

I don’t know what to believe, but I know the fact that this sort of business is our business is the most lamentable part of it all – Shankly’s holy trinity of manager, players and supporters is not sacred anymore.

Perhaps there should be intentions from those in power to do something with Liverpool Football Club that hasn’t happened from the moment David Moores accepted Hicks and Gillett’s bid.

Act with the best interests of the club, and its supporters, in mind - give us our football club back.

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I wrote this letter to John W. Henry this evening as the one-year anniversary of Fenway Sports Group approaches.

Dear Mr. Henry,

Reina; Jose Enrique, Carragher, Skrtel, Kelly; Downing, Lucas, Adam, Kuyt; Suarez, Carroll

These names will mean everything to you. In fact, these names, collectively, will mean everything to most Liverpool supporters.

It was the team that disposed of Everton in the Merseyside derby so callously, so superbly.

It was the team that possessed and displayed every important attribute – mental and physical - ensuring the man advantage from Rodwell’s red card was fully appreciated.

It was a team that had proven quality on the bench in Craig Bellamy and Steven Gerrard, as well as exciting young prospects such as Sebastian Coates, John Flanagan and Jordan Henderson.

But most importantly, it was a team. It was Kenny’s team. It was our team.

When I wrote the letter to Mr. Hester, it was our lowest ebb. I didn’t write that as a journalist, nor necessarily as a Liverpool supporter. I wrote it as someone who watched something he loved slowly die. I wrote it as a desperate plea for a stay of execution; a final attempt to stop the plug from being pulled on a 119-year-old institution.

I know my words alone did nothing. I doubt you even read them. But you read our words. Thousands of letters, e-mails, phone calls; thousands of people trying their best to educate others about the state of our football club. The individual words may not have been processed, but the collective vitriol was. My letter was just a mere cinder flying from the raging fire heading towards Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? It does if there’s tens of thousands of them, all at once, falling together, screaming to save their club.

When you, Mr. Werner and the rest of Fenway Sports Group bought Liverpool last October, you saved that club.

Sometimes, it’s easy to forget that.

People, rightfully, will focus on your transfer activity.

You brought in Luis Suarez, a player whom we just can’t get enough of; a player who we just can’t believe how little we paid for us. You brought in Andy Carroll, a player who – hopefully – Suarez will partner for years to come.

You brought in Jose Enrique, Jordan Henderson, Sebastian Coates, Stewart Downing, Charlie Adam and Craig Bellamy. You respectfully relinquished those who no longer wished to play for the club and those who no longer possessed the talent to do so.

You allowed Kenny Dalglish to return to his rightful home; to have the chance to finish what he started over two decades ago.

But more important than any of this is, you ensured this happened at Liverpool Football Club. You ensured that there still was, and forever will be, a Liverpool Football Club.

You ensured I will forever be proud of a lot of our support.

I’ve always maintained that Liverpool Football Club will always exist as long as it has its supporters. During the final hours of Hicks and Gillett’s reign, this was proven true.

What started as 200 people in The Sandon pub on Walton Breck Road making a few grumbles of discontent turned into thousands acting with the club’s best interests at heart – all because those who were at the top of the hierarchy weren’t doing so.

The actions of Spirit of Shankly and other supporter groups – and to be a part of that while you were battling for the club – made me proud to be a Liverpool supporter again. It made me believe in those I stand next to on the Kop once more.

I remember touching down after the Champions League final defeat in Athens and feeling a five-minute vibrate in my pocket; those who were home had text me in the vague, misguided hope my phone would work beyond Dover.

Liverpool had lost a European Cup final 2-1, but more unsettling than that were the comments of Rafa Benitez after the full-time whistle. He was doing what was best for the club; it was at that point that the realisation set in – those above him weren’t doing so. I don’t think it’s been the same ever since.

Not until you emerged from that courtroom in London and assured us the club was in good hands once again. In just three years, 119 years of history could have been erased due to arrogance and greed. The only epic swindle was that they were allowed to do it for so long.

Thank you for being true to your word. You’ve been nothing but respectful to the culture of this football club, and consequently, the traditions of its supporters.

There's a vital link between the players and the fans, between the city and the football club. They work with each other and help each other.

The football club would not have 18 league titles or five European Cups if it wasn't for the city or the fans. The city wouldn't be what it is now if it wasn't for the football club.

In your first game, I left Goodison Park after watching personnel not good enough for Liverpool Football Club embarrass themselves and the football club. I knew you had a massive task ahead to rebuild the club from the debris of Tom Hicks, George Gillett and others.

Leaving this year, the personnel – and feeling – could not have been different. It shows that the club, even in 12 months, is heading in the right direction.

Thank you for Luis Suarez. Thank you for Kenny Dalglish. Thank you, Mr. Henry, for ensuring we will hear that famous Anfield roar on a European night yet again; thank you for allowing that mosaic in my mind to keep expanding.

Thank you for reminding me why we all wanted to support Liverpool Football Club to begin with; why those supporters who fought for the club would have made Shankly proud.

But most of all, thank you for giving us our football club back; for making sure remembering that game against Port Vale, my first taste of Liverpool Football Club, didn't forever taste of tears as I remembered a club that was no more.

Link: http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Dear-Mr-Henr...789/173471.html
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 12 2011, 12:53 PM)
so what is your opinion guys? distributed equally or else?
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 12 2011, 01:11 PM)
That would be quite unfair to the other clubs right? Look what it did to La Liga, it's dominated by Barca and Real every season.
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The latest news states that we need another 13 teams to back us for such proposal to be implied. Impossible if u ask me. The smaller team surely do not want it that way.
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any gathering from lyn this coming saturday ?
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any gathering from lyn this coming saturday ?
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yeah, do inform me ! nod.gif
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QUOTE(wts6819 @ Oct 13 2011, 08:53 AM)
yeah, do inform me !  nod.gif
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I'll be watching with at least 30-35 Reds fans at Pandan Jaya Kopitiam. Anyone staying closer to this place do pm me for location.
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I'll be watching with at least 30-35 Reds fans at Pandan Jaya Kopitiam. Anyone staying closer to this place do pm me for location.
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pandan jaya got kopitiam..?
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QUOTE(tiSSue_paPer @ Oct 13 2011, 10:35 AM)
pandan jaya got kopitiam..?
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Yes, and i think its better not to discuss here bro. Pm me if you want to know the location.
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 13 2011, 10:51 AM)
Yes, and i think its better not to discuss here bro. Pm me if you want to know the location.
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Why so secretive? Dont worry la. Kopites wont assassinate each other one la. Red is in our blood and blood is thicker than water. YNWA. hehe
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 13 2011, 11:21 AM)
Why so secretive? Dont worry la. Kopites wont assassinate each other one la. Red is in our blood and blood is thicker than water. YNWA. hehe
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Not being secretive, just don't want to discuss something out of box, cause there's much more better things we can discuss here. Anyway since its related, there's a gathering at Pandan Jaya Kopitiam. It's right behind the Pandan Jaya market. We are expecting Reds fans to gather there at 7pm latest.

Contact me if anyone needs direction. I hope you guys could join and make it more merrier.
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MyRAWK boys will be having a viewing party at The Bank @ Plaza Kelana Jaya. Like our facebook fan page and come join us if you're around that area.

http://www.facebook.com/MyRAWK
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Liverbird Malaysia (Central Region) will have a live viewing for this Saturday match at D'Stall Corner, Kelana Jaya. Everyone is invited to join.
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Just wanted to share a link to photo that was posted on LFC official facebook page and twitter.

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_On-top-of-th...233/173471.html

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Just wanted to share a link to photo that was posted on LFC official facebook page and twitter.

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_On-top-of-th...233/173471.html
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Nice. A fellow Sabahan featured on thekop. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(wts6819 @ Oct 13 2011, 08:53 AM)
yeah, do inform me !  nod.gif
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3 times watching together with MyRAWK at library , breakers and somewhr near hartamas . Good environment and got beers ! I think this year will go and join them as well .

QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 13 2011, 10:51 AM)
Yes, and i think its better not to discuss here bro. Pm me if you want to know the location.
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Got alcohol or not brows.gif brows.gif

QUOTE(flix @ Oct 13 2011, 02:32 PM)
MyRAWK boys will be having a viewing party at The Bank @ Plaza Kelana Jaya. Like our facebook fan page and come join us if you're around that area.

http://www.facebook.com/MyRAWK
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hi Ben , try my best to make it there with a group of rojak friends ( MU fans + LIV ). biggrin.gif
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I would like ask, anybody been to Miri here? I'm here for a project and interested to know where's the best place to watch footie?

I've been to Cheerie Berries for the Merseyside Derby unfortunately they play music over the match. Kinda potong stim if you ask me.
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QUOTE(flix @ Oct 13 2011, 02:32 PM)
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Liverbird Malaysia (Central Region) will have a live viewing for this Saturday match at D'Stall Corner, Kelana Jaya. Everyone is invited to join.
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Both at Kelana Jaya. Just merge for the spirit of this one game?
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guys is there any viewing party @ sunway giza by ESPN?
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i dont think i can come to Sunway giza or Kelana jaya..

btw is there any gaythering at kl area? cheras, ampang and nearby ?

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guys is there any viewing party @ sunway giza by ESPN?
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I'll be at Sunway Giza as usual. smile.gif

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QUOTE(tgmape @ Oct 14 2011, 06:29 AM)
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I read comments from Mancs fans , and i was disappointed with their ill-timed-sickening-disrespectful-attitude replies.. That's Rafa's opinion.
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based from my fren experience , the place sure will be crowded , unless u go early and book a nice table ..if not u need to bring ur binocular
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any idea whos the ref for tomorrow game? i hope it's not howard webb...
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any idea whos the ref for tomorrow game? i hope it's not howard webb...
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I'll be watching at my parents' house with my dad who is an avid fan of Man u brows.gif

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Oct 13 2011, 11:19 PM)
I would like ask, anybody been to Miri here? I'm here for a project and interested to know where's the best place to watch footie?

I've been to Cheerie Berries for the Merseyside Derby unfortunately they play music over the match. Kinda potong stim if you ask me.
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Saturday marks the first anniversary of Fenway Sports Group's purchase of the club after the dysfunctional reign of Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

A win and 3 points could show FSG LFC's appreciation on the investment thus far.
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Pre Match Interview.



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Read this & this
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8)What is your score prediction for the game?
2-0 win for United, the real Reds.


I could care less for match predictions unless it's backed up by a well written piece of journalism. The thing here is; "the real reds"?

Let's take a little walk down memory lane shall we?

Liverpool FC was officially formed in 1892 but adopted a red kit only in 1894. Although Newton Heath was formed in 1878, they wore a green & gold kit and only in 1902 were Manchester United officially formed and only then did they start wearing a red kit. So, what is the definition of a "real red"? It isn't conclusive who can lay claim to the title since I don't know what it means. All I know is we wore red first.

I think King Kenny handled himself really well, certainly much better than Roy Hodgson did. You got the feeling that the latter would piss in his pants each time Fergie looked his way. King Kenny played down the match and rightly so because there is no point in winning this "big" one and losing our other games as we have done in seasons before. From a result oriented standpoint, this game is worth a maximum of 3 points, same as the rest. From the perspective of fans however, the winner has bragging rights if only for a short while. However, that isn't Kenny's concern, it's ours. To him, it's just 3 points and 3 points against the mancs is worth just as much as 3 points against anyone else.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 14 2011, 06:48 PM)
This sticks out.
I could care less for match predictions unless it's backed up by a well written piece of journalism. The thing here is; "the real reds"?

Let's take a little walk down memory lane shall we?

Liverpool FC was officially formed in 1892 but adopted a red kit only in 1894. Although Newton Heath was formed in 1878, they wore a green & gold kit and only in 1902 were Manchester United officially formed and only then did they start wearing a red kit. So, what is the definition of a "real red"? It isn't conclusive who can lay claim to the title since I don't know what it means. All I know is we wore red first.

I think King Kenny handled himself really well, certainly much better than Roy Hodgson did. You got the feeling that the latter would piss in his pants each time Fergie looked his way. King Kenny played down the match and rightly so because there is no point in winning this "big" one and losing our other games as we have done in seasons before. From a result oriented standpoint, this game is worth a maximum of 3 points, same as the rest. From the perspective of fans however, the winner has bragging rights if only for a short while. However, that isn't Kenny's concern, it's ours. To him, it's just 3 points and 3 points against the mancs is worth just as much as 3 points against anyone else.
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QUOTE(ahmar @ Oct 14 2011, 03:27 PM)
hey man, i was at miri last year doing my internship.. usually i watch at chili pepers (if not istaken) its a 24-7 tempat makan with two screens.. or maybe can go to chique..its like a bar.. but the songs cover up the game as well..
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QUOTE(leftist @ Oct 14 2011, 09:56 PM)
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Suarez is like 5 feet 11 inches and lebron dwarfs coates who is about 6'5 ohmy.gif

Hopefully we win tomorrow.We never seem to win when FSG come to watch us play sad.gif

Everyone seems to predicting a draw and my gut feeling is also the same unsure.gif
Anyway,i will take a draw over a loss any day.

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Suarez is like 5 feet 11 inches and lebron dwarfs coates who is about 6'5 ohmy.gif

Hopefully we win tomorrow.We never seem to win when FSG come to watch us play sad.gif
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Read this: THE MANCUNIANS’ NIGHTMARE: MY TOP 3 FINEST MOMENTS OF LIVERPOOL VS MANCHESTER UNITED

YNWA!
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Come on! Dont focus in jinx. Let's relive the moment of victories instead.

Read this: THE MANCUNIANS’ NIGHTMARE: MY TOP 3 FINEST MOMENTS OF LIVERPOOL VS MANCHESTER UNITED

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It's match day and I'm stoked! The day can't pass quickly enough for me. Watching the game with a bunch of Liverpool fans but I've to meet my mates for a birthday party after and they're all mancs! All I ask is that the boys play well and give their all. If they do, the result should take care of itself.
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It may not be a stroll like the last match I think. This will be a tight one. They will be wary of Suarez. We need Bellamy on the right and Henderson on the bench!
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Reds chief hails genius of Ferguson

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Liverpool owner John W Henry has described Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson as a "genius", but claims he is happy that his gamble on Kenny Dalglish has paid off.

United face Liverpool at Anfield on Saturday in one of the biggest games of the season and it will pitch old rivals Daglish and Ferguson against each other. United are six points clear of the Reds after a fine start to the season, but Henry feels Liverpool are on the right path under Dalglish.

Henry's Fenway Sports Group took control of Liverpool 12 months ago and the "blueprint" was, following the departure of Roy Hodgson, to bring in a younger manager. But the American has admitted that while Dalglish was seen as a stop-gap appointment, it quickly became apparent that he was the right man for the job.

"Initially the blueprint was for a younger manager," Henry told the Daily Telegraph. "You want to have long-term stability in as much as the staff as possible.

"I had been talking with Kenny about philosophy and initially he was brought aboard just for the remainder of last season. But it became obvious that he was the right man to lead the club.

"I wasn't convinced when we arrived that Kenny should be back managing and I wanted things to work with the manager we inherited. But the fans knew much more than I did. It took me a while to get up to speed.

"Then Ian Ayre was a catalyst. Damien [Comolli] was a gamble. Kenny was a gamble. But they were both calculated gambles."

The clash at Anfield on Saturday lunchtime will be a gauge as to where Liverpool stand in the Premier League pecking order, but Henry feels they are still lagging behind United.

"We are still a long way behind them," Henry said. "They were well set up going into this year and then were able to insert great, young players. Mr Ferguson is a genius.

"By the time we made the purchase we were aware of a lot of bad contracts and the fact that it could take years to get the club back where it needed to be.

"Overall there has been progress. But there is still a lot of work to be done."


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...erguson?cc=4716
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Reina, Kelly, Enrique, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Adam, Gerrard, Downing, Kuyt, Suarez. Subs: Doni, Bellamy, Carroll, Henderson, Spearing, Robinson, Agger.
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only a 2 nil win is good already, Gerrard and Suarez to score
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suarez score and make it 2-0


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darn...... draw 1-1

but good game we should have score more...alot of chances
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what a 2nd half
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why de gea improved so much.....?
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Seriously felt that Skrtel sesat when Chicarito ran in a circle. Quite a few close ones from Henderson too, the one lob really stopped my breath there. Pity that De Gea did not miss it =d
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Thought Andy would have done well in the last 10 minutes.
Anyway pleased with the performance but the equaliser left a bitter taste in the mouth.

Skrtel WHY???
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we are the better team but sadly just a draw. However, the positive is henderson played much better compare to previous game
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always disappointed not to get 3 points when you're leading them Mancs...

but am very happy and delighted with Downing.......

if he does more of that, then Carrol will contribute more goals.....

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well an expected draw frm me,anyway hope we start to win more games,my wish is to hv us play in CL again YNWA
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Their goalkeeper had a very good game; that says a lot about our performance..
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United were lucky to play with such negative tactic. Kudos to Liverpool. The boys put their hearts in and deserve to win.
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so far this is the greatest liverpool football for me this season... but de gea so super godlike today...
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So many chances...damn it that de gea is BEYOND GODLIKE!
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well. just lucky not with us today..

anyway, good to see gerrard score again.

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Best play so far by Liverpool. Welcome back Stevie G. Adam and Henderson have shown some improvement, especially Adam. Henderson needs to step up his game if he wants to be part of the starting 11. Suarez and Kuyt didn't perform that well today. Props to De Gea though. Excellent saves.

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It's not De Gea's heroic. It's FSG! They came, they saw, they jinx and we draw. Hehe. John Henry and Tom Werner, please stay at your hotel and watch the game next time, Sir. Please Sir. You are costing us the points. hehehehe.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 15 2011, 10:44 PM)
It's not De Gea's heroic. It's FSG! They came, they saw, they jinx and we draw. Hehe. John Henry and Tom Werner, please stay at your hotel and watch the game next time, Sir. Please Sir. You are costing us the points. hehehehe.
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LOL.seems like the jinx didnt go away.The hypocritical fans on the other side are accusing us of diving when they have an academy which produces divers and cry babies. doh.gif

Good to know that man city are gonna be top of the table brows.gif
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i dont understand with some Manchester United fan keep trolling on my fb wall.. before the game start i posted "May a good side win" but now they keep posting liverpool loser la play diving la.

typical...
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LOL.seems like the jinx didnt go away.The hypocritical fans on the other side are accusing us of diving when they have an academy which produces divers and cry babies. doh.gif

Good to know that man city are gonna be top of the table  brows.gif
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It's normal. The sourgrape MU fans who instead should focus on their alarming negative tactic. They got away with the handball (Evans), they asked for a penalty when Nani raised his boot, they got away with a 2nd yellow card for Ferdinand, their captain Evra is the most unsporting footballer by moaning here and there and finally gotten himself a yellow card, that just sums up what United is all about. A team of cheaters. If Man City win the Premier League instead of us, I would be disappointed but I would still applause. If Chelsea win, i will still applause. If United win, I would spit to the very ground and feel disgusted.
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Man City is still strong without their key players. Money does wonders...

Top of the table for Man City. Congrats
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 15 2011, 11:32 PM)
It's normal. The sourgrape MU fans who instead should focus on their alarming negative tactic. They got away with the handball (Evans), they asked for a penalty when Nani raised his boot, they got away with a 2nd yellow card for Ferdinand, their captain Evra is the most unsporting footballer by moaning here and there and finally gotten himself a yellow card, that just sums up what United is all about. A team of cheaters. If Man City win the Premier League instead of us, I would be disappointed but I would still applause. If Chelsea win, i will still applause. If United win, I would spit to the very ground and feel disgusted.
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enrique oso got handball

lucas oso fouled ashley young once when on yellow

and as if luis suarez nvr complain here n there


i wonder u did not see that or u just choose to not see that

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Oct 15 2011, 11:38 PM)
enrique oso got handball

lucas oso fouled ashley young once when on yellow

and as if luis suarez nvr complain here n there
i wonder u did not see that or u just choose to not see that
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Dude, he did mention about Enrique's handball. It's when Nani raised his boot. Did you see that or just didn't understand the whole sentence. And what exactly is you point with Lucas? He fouled once and got a yellow. I don't see how that relates with Ferdinand getting away with the second yellow. And the difference between Evra and Suarez is that, Evra was the captain. Instead of complaining like Suarez does, he should've kept his head high and lead his teammates in the game.
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QUOTE(bitebug @ Oct 15 2011, 11:55 PM)
Dude, he did mention about Enrique's handball. It's when Nani raised his boot. Did you see that or just didn't understand the whole sentence. And what exactly is you point with Lucas? He fouled once and got a yellow. I don't see how that relates with Ferdinand getting away with the second yellow. And the difference between Evra and Suarez is that, Evra was the captain. Instead of complaining like Suarez does, he should've kept his head high and lead his teammates in the game.
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if it's enrique incident is nani's incident

he should have write it clearer

he sounds like nani trying to win a penalty that wasnt ( this should be write off as Evans escaped once as well)

1st half when Lucas fouled Young after got the 1st yellow... he got away with the second yellow as well ( so write off as Ferdinand escaped as well)

up to this point ... i should say both sides are lucky

and about Evra and Suarez

so u mean other than captain...the remaining 10 players can complain as they like?

I'm not here to flame

the reason why I came to post here is because of the enrique & evans + lucas and ferdinand incident


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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Oct 16 2011, 12:01 AM)
so u mean other than captain...the remaining 10 players can complain as they like?
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dude thats a cheap statement u got there. what he mean in a simple term is captain shud more behave.
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I think although looking at some flare up moments (last year's was funny, in retrospect) I think that we had an awesome game, considering that we had an almost entirely new squad (if you count Caroll and Suarez into the fray) and this kind of performance, though it still says how our defense is susceptible to 'poke-ins', it does show some silver linings.

I'm proud that we didn't lose on our soil. We'll see the next if we can nick a point or go for 3 points in Old Trafford!
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Oct 15 2011, 11:38 PM)
enrique oso got handball

lucas oso fouled ashley young once when on yellow

and as if luis suarez nvr complain here n there
i wonder u did not see that or u just choose to not see that
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Enrique's case - Did I not said that Nani raised his boot? That would have been a freekick for Liverpool and ref decided to go on with the game and that is credit to him

Lucas foul? What is your point here? Was Ashley Young getting a goalscoring chance there or was it a terrible tackle? Neither!! But Ferdinand denied a goalscoring chance for Charlie Adam and he even admitted it was a Soft touch but questioned it whether it justified a foul in the interview. Soft touch is still a touch. Typical united player, typical united fan. Denying and keep denying.

Suarez complain? You should look at your captain Evra, monkey around the ref and got himself a yellow card finally. Did Suarez go round the ref? Never. That's why he didnt get a yellow card. But then I am sure you will say the ref is unfair.

Nevermind. You are one of them. Typical Utd fans who cannot hold their hands up and said that Liverpool were the better team in this match and Utd got away with a point. It's like telling the whites to eat durians. It's that difficult.


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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Oct 16 2011, 12:01 AM)
if it's enrique incident is nani's incident

he should have write it clearer

he sounds like nani trying to win a penalty that wasnt ( this should be write off as Evans escaped once as well)

1st half when Lucas fouled Young after got the 1st yellow... he got away with the second yellow as well ( so write off as Ferdinand escaped as well)

up to this point ... i should say both sides are lucky

and about Evra and Suarez

so u mean other than captain...the remaining 10 players can complain as they like?

I'm not here to flame

the reason why I came to post here is because of the enrique & evans + lucas and ferdinand incident
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Why u even bother to look at our post?
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 16 2011, 12:07 AM)
Enrique's case - Did I not said that Nani raised his boot? That would have been a freekick for Liverpool and ref decided to go on with the game and that is credit to him

Lucas foul? What is your point here? Was Ashley Young getting a goalscoring chance there or was it a terrible tackle? Neither!! But Ferdinand denied a goalscoring chance for Charlie Adam and he even admitted it was a Soft touch but questioned it whether it justified a foul in the interview. Soft touch is still a touch. Typical united player, typical united fan. Denying and keep denying.

Suarez complain? You should look at your captain Evra, monkey around the ref and got himself a yellow card finally. Did Suarez go round the ref? Never. That's why he didnt get a yellow card. But then I am sure you will say the ref is unfair.

Nevermind. You are one of them. Typical Utd fans who cannot hold their hands up and said that Liverpool were the better team in this match and Utd got away with a point. It's like telling the whites to eat durians. It's that difficult.
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ignore him la dude , he so boring coz we didnt troll at their thread..champion play parking bus , better go drive bus la..everytime complaint ppl parking the bus when play against them..I can argue said that was a goal kick before chica scored that goal . I am happy we play well and give then pressure all the time .cant deny DDG was superb to him , he has a good future but unfortunately in our rival club
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I love how the forums become a war zone for angry people. Long gone are the days where forums used to have healthy discussions instead of flaming one another.
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Yeah, we are the better side tonight. It just that we are unlucky. Still, we've got much positive from tonight game.

Tackle's, diving, handball, yellow card, payers argument, etc. This is bread and butter in football.

Walk on.


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Apart from result. With Steven Gerard energize midfield very lively. Good game !
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 16 2011, 12:18 AM)
ignore him la dude , he so boring coz we didnt troll at their thread..champion play parking bus , better go drive bus la..everytime complaint ppl parking the bus when play against them..I can argue said that was a goal kick before chica scored that goal . I am happy we play well and give then pressure all the time .cant deny DDG was superb to him , he has a good future but unfortunately in our rival club
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I dislike people who cannot accept reality. LOL. This is not about the team. It's about reality. When Everton's Jack Rodwell got sent off last 2 weeks ago, even I as a Liverpool supporter disagree with the ref and thought that Everton were unlucky. I put my comments everywhere in football news site sympathizing with Everton although I hate them. Liverpool didnt play well and got away with a win in that match. It was lucky. That's accepting reality.

This is why Liverpool fans is a different class. We accept reality, we sing "You'll never walk alone" even when we are 4-0 down, we move on.

UTD Fans - moan moan moan.... not tired meh? Will grow old faster like that. LOL


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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 16 2011, 12:49 AM)
I dislike people who cannot accept reality. LOL. This is not about the team. It's about reality. When Everton's Jack Rodwell got sent off last 2 weeks ago, even I as a Liverpool supporter disagree with the ref and thought that Everton were unlucky. I put my comments everywhere in football news site sympathizing with Everton although I hate them. Liverpool didnt play well and got away with a win in that match. It was lucky. That's accepting reality.

This is why Liverpool fans is a different class. We accept reality, we sing "You'll never walk alone" even when we are 4-0 down, we move on.

UTD Fans - moan moan moan.... not tired meh? Will grow old faster like that. LOL
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let them be la ...for them we are the glory hunter because the last trophy we won is fa cup back in 2006 , for them we are the starfish and divers when the real cause was someone thought his ball > football

just replied back my mu fren who post suarez=monkey ,and guess what..their back 4 just get trolled by a 'monkey' whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 16 2011, 12:57 AM)
let them be la ...for them we are the glory hunter because the last trophy we won is fa cup back in 2006 , for them we are the starfish and divers when the real cause was someone thought his ball > football

just replied back my mu fren who post suarez=monkey ,and guess what..their back 4 just get trolled by a 'monkey'  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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This is another top class. Our manager, King Kenny in the post match interview.

Kenny Dalglish also saw things differently, praising Ferdinand's honesty:
"With regards to the freekick I think it is much better to say how honest Rio was, when he says that he did touch him. They got a bit of luck and maybe that is the reward for his honesty afterwards".

He ignored suggestion of a 2nd yellow card. If this is Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho or even the old Sir Alex, they would have called for the referee's head for not giving a 2nd yellow card.

As for calling Suarez monkey, this is one monkey they will regret not having. He's so entertaining. With him, it's not just about scoring. It's about entertaining the fans with his brilliant movements. With Gerrard back, Suarez and Caroll will benefit and score more goals.

Speaking of which, I was disappointed with Downing all the way until 70th minute. Prior to that, he wasnt contributing much, the crosses/passes were poor and wasnt sharp. But I think Carra, Kelly, Skrtel and Enrique did a brilliant job today. Even Henderson whom I rarely praise, did well. I had my fears when he came on for Lucas. He proved me wrong. Brilliant.

If the Reds play like this every week, we will be champion. No doubt. Why? Because we dont have Euro matches to bother us. Our rivals will be worn out by those travels. Hehe.
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fair result...average squad will produce average result... a draw is fine since the home side play blunder football while the away side play with unfamiliar formation 3/4 of the game


for godsake pls swap downing for bellamy !!
tat guy nowhere near 20m.. no skill to beat defender.. average speed.. failed diver.. hardly to read enrique overlap timing.. i see more threat if we put bellamy ahead
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poor finishing and opportunities not taken well, 2 things that i can sum up from the game. YNWA!!
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We were the better side by quite a margin.

If not for De Gea we would have scored 3 or 4 goals.

We maintained possession but finishing was poor.

Overall a good performance and dare I say a well deserved result for both side, if Man U were only a little luckier.


Added on October 16, 2011, 1:29 amAlso, no way in HELL did charlie adam dive. He did go down easy, i'll admit that. but Ferdinand's foot touched his, he went down (easily)... it was a foul, good free-kick, Giggs should have stood his ground.

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 16 2011, 01:23 AM)
We were the better side by quite a margin.

If not for De Gea we would have scored 3 or 4 goals.

We maintained possession but finishing was poor.

Overall a good performance and dare I say a well deserved result for both side, if Man U were only a little luckier.
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i guess we are a little luckier,,, 1st half dey play without mat rooney , nani , cicirito.. we probably get beaten if those come earlier or even on starting line-up..

we maintain possesion only half of on the field but when reaching the box the team look blur and nowhere to pass the ball as result their defender easily break the game... as example look at skrtel solo run... he dunno where to give the ball then just solo run for goal kick doh.gif

de gea not playing that great.. it just us who pass the ball toward him instead of shooting avoid him.. as example for suarez.. he create some great little skill beatin defender but sadly he pass the ball to de gea doh.gif


quite frustated on todays game since we didnt take full advantage against a team without main players
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Oct 16 2011, 01:21 AM)
fair result...average squad will produce average result... a draw is fine since the home side play blunder football while the away side play with unfamiliar formation 3/4 of the game


for godsake pls swap downing for bellamy !!
tat guy nowhere near 20m.. no skill to beat defender.. average speed.. failed diver.. hardly to read enrique overlap timing.. i see more threat if we put bellamy ahead
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a good player doesnt mean he need to score and assists goal everytime , downing offer us the balance and pace on left hand side...same things can be said about lucas , in fantasy he always get average 1-2 marks(2 for appearance and -1 for yellow card) but he simply is one of our best player, he definitely got the class but I think he need to gain his confidence asap

QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Oct 16 2011, 01:35 AM)
i guess we are a little luckier,,, 1st half dey play without mat rooney , nani , cicirito.. we probably get beaten if those come earlier or even on starting line-up..

we maintain possesion only half of on the field but when reaching the box the team look blur and nowhere to pass the ball as result their defender easily break the game... as example look at skrtel solo run... he dunno where to give the ball then just solo run for goal kick  doh.gif

de gea not playing that great.. it just us who pass the ball toward him instead of shooting avoid him.. as example for suarez.. he create some great little skill beatin defender but sadly he pass the ball to de gea  doh.gif
quite frustated on todays game since we didnt take full advantage against a team without main players
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we cannot stop them from playing roni , nani and chica . In fact we would have score early if they field Roni , nani and chica on this match.See how many time they blocked our shots from corners with their bus in front of the goal.
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 16 2011, 01:50 AM)
a good player doesnt mean he need to score and assists goal everytime , downing offer us the balance and pace on left hand side...same things can be said about lucas , in fantasy he always get average 1-2 marks(2 for appearance and -1 for yellow card) but he simply is one of our best player, he definitely got the class but I think he need to gain his confidence asap 
we cannot stop them from playing roni , nani and chica . In fact we would have score early if they field Roni , nani and chica on this match.See how many time they blocked our shots from corners with their bus in front of the goal.
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stoopit, which team doesnt defend as a whole when its corner?? shakehead.gif "their bus" konon.
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Oct 16 2011, 02:49 AM)
stoopit, which team doesnt defend as a whole when its corner?? shakehead.gif "their bus" konon.
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Anything wrong with the statement sir? blink.gif
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Anything wrong with the statement sir? blink.gif
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See how many time they blocked our shots from corners with their bus in front of the goal.
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Whole team defend during corner is "bus"? Ini ka best fan? doh.gif
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Oct 16 2011, 01:21 AM)
fair result...average squad will produce average result... a draw is fine since the home side play blunder football while the away side play with unfamiliar formation 3/4 of the game


for godsake pls swap downing for bellamy !!
tat guy nowhere near 20m.. no skill to beat defender.. average speed.. failed diver.. hardly to read enrique overlap timing.. i see more threat if we put bellamy ahead
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average?which teams?our teams?average means half table teams...you always talk nonsense dude doh.gif

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wow so many retards from the other thread coming in to add their comments to what happens in the LFC thread. If every other team went and added comments to the BS that is in their thread I wonder how full of additional BS would be in there.

take your pointless remarks and stick to your own thread if you feel like defending anything. not that we don't welcome retorts but please put something on your backside before coming in here feeling butthurt because it's showing pretty obviously.

Last night was a great game by the Reds.. obviously the REAL Reds ala LFC. We made them look mediocre, we had more chances, so in truth we were there to play football and they were there to look like Stoke City smile.gif

Don't like my comment above? too bad, like you guys - you're just keyboard warriors.. what are you gonna do about it in our own thread? now F off somewhere else and go cry in a corner tongue.gif
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impressed with liverpool performance last night. u guys dominate them, de gea should be their motm. im not a pool fans btw. biggrin.gif
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Downing seem to be inefficient so far, and bad understanding with Enrique. Henderson seem play not bad yesterday.
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QUOTE(REDShaun @ Oct 16 2011, 09:02 AM)
wow so many retards from the other thread coming in to add their comments to what happens in the LFC thread. If every other team went and added comments to the BS that is in their thread I wonder how full of additional BS would be in there.

take your pointless remarks and stick to your own thread if you feel like defending anything. not that we don't welcome retorts but please put something on your backside before coming in here feeling butthurt because it's showing pretty obviously.

Last night was a great game by the Reds.. obviously the REAL Reds ala LFC. We made them look mediocre, we had more chances, so in truth we were there to play football and they were there to look like Stoke City smile.gif

Don't like my comment above? too bad, like you guys - you're just keyboard warriors.. what are you gonna do about it in our own thread? now F off somewhere else and go cry in a corner tongue.gif
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I won't bother it. Let them stood up their opinion. We got ours too. Keep it and move on. Arguing to each other cause an ugly to other side.

I just want to enjoy the game and glad to see positive play by our team but getting 1 point is quite disappointing. Try to get 3 point for next game and then calculate all of it end of season. Good game to MU. smile.gif
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Haha... Liverpool fans and man united will always have their own opinion and will continue to argue for the decade to come...

Anyway .... GG to you guyz... Liverpool had played well as this is Anfield not OT...

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MOTM between Kelly,Gerrard or Adam...Kelly kept Young quiet all game rclxms.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif




congratz reds,u played well enough..m.u was lucky that suarez & co left their shooting boots at home..if our finishing a lil bit sharper,m.u will got nothing for the 4th season straight! laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wts6819 @ Oct 16 2011, 10:00 AM)
I won't bother it. Let them stood up their opinion. We got ours too. Keep it and move on. Arguing to each other cause an ugly to other side.

I just want to enjoy the game and glad to see positive play by our team but getting 1 point is quite disappointing. Try to get 3 point for next game and then calculate all of it end of season. Good game to MU.  smile.gif
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True. It's like they have to be all over the forums, including other threads everytime they feel butthurt over remarks (even if it's true) about their "beloved" club. Sad they have a bunch of hormonal adolescent peepsqueaks that just can't leave it alone. blush.gif

anyway, only thing they can do is troll, i'll just feed a few, just to pucker up the hurt a little then i'm a gonna go for my weekend massage later smile.gif
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i should have known that i will see some mancs got butthurt and troll when i go in here. they never fail to do that every time. bet it winning or losing.. typical.

we boss the 2nd half last night. they doesn't look that they gonna give reina a real threat except for hernandez goal. that chiwawa instinct infront of goal really good. as good as nistelroy..

we played with no DM for almost 1/3 of the game and still managed to contained them. lack of clinical finish and de gea save their asses last night. 2 points drop..
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Let's put things in perspective shall we? First off, we didn't claim to be the "real reds", it's you mancs that do. Like I pointed out in a post yesterday however, we first wore red in 1892 while you lot only did in 1902, duh!

Secondly, I agree with redshaun on the comment about there being many retards. Now, I'll gladly put my hand up if we had lost, I have always done so but last night we came out guns blazing in the 2nd half. There is no argument who played better but fairplay, you don't always win although you played the better game. Sometimes you need to grind out a result. If the situation were reversed, only a dumb f*** manc would agree that they didn't play better, and there are many out there unfortunately i.e. young punks supporting the flavour of the month, giving real fans a bad bad name.

It was a stonewall penalty in my opinion. How Andre Marriner failed to spot it is beyond my comprehension. My mates were arguing that it was ball to hand? Fooking hell, really? Evans was at least 5 yards away from Kuyt and he left his hand there. So if Pepe had launched a rocket from inside our on half and Evans left his hand there, it would still be ball to hand? That's retarded. Biased opinion. Am I complaining however? No, it happens. Sometimes you get the rub of the green and sometimes you don't. It just pisses me off that my mates won't admit it. I mean Downing dived, I admit to it so be a man and fess up. It was a penalty and it wasn't given but that's how games go and over 38 games, your luck evens out.
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Man U Fans - Hating Liverpool more than They love Their Club...
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Oct 16 2011, 11:23 AM)
i should have known that i will see some mancs got butthurt and troll when i go in here. they never fail to do that every time. bet it winning or losing.. typical.

we boss the 2nd half last night. they doesn't look that they gonna give reina a real threat except for hernandez goal. that chiwawa instinct infront of goal really good. as good as nistelroy..

we played with no DM for almost 1/3 of the game and still managed to contained them. lack of clinical finish and de gea save their asses last night. 2 points drop..
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Expected really. Even when we aren't playing them, you'll get some first rate morons dropping in to give us stick. Really classy eh? Funny how they seem to have watched a different game. Justify your claims then mancs, if you can.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 16 2011, 11:31 AM)
Expected really. Even when we aren't playing them, you'll get some first rate morons dropping in to give us stick. Really classy eh? Funny how they seem to have watched a different game. Justify your claims then mancs, if you can.
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typical really... they win/lose/draw/trash/trashed, they are gonna troll and give everyone stick, if not in Football Lounge then in Kopitiam. Its funny how they say Charlie Adam dived (despite getting touched) and when their players do the same, its justified.

But whats really funny is how they go out of their way to make photoshopped images and gifs about other teams. Just how low can they go?

I mean they are some senior fans who are 'proper' fans who are delightful to talk to about football, but most of them on this forum are bloody idiots who cant accept defeat even if we would have trashed them.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 16 2011, 12:49 AM)
I dislike people who cannot accept reality. LOL. This is not about the team. It's about reality. When Everton's Jack Rodwell got sent off last 2 weeks ago, even I as a Liverpool supporter disagree with the ref and thought that Everton were unlucky. I put my comments everywhere in football news site sympathizing with Everton although I hate them. Liverpool didnt play well and got away with a win in that match. It was lucky. That's accepting reality.

This is why Liverpool fans is a different class. We accept reality, we sing "You'll never walk alone" even when we are 4-0 down, we move on.

UTD Fans - moan moan moan.... not tired meh? Will grow old faster like that. LOL
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I don't usually like talking ourselves up but it's like you said, we call it as we see it. Downing dived, Rodwell as unlucky to have been sent off, blah blah but we outplayed the mancs in the second half. Anyone who doesn't see this obviously doesn't understand football. The manc thread should give you an indication of how well bad news sinks with them. Say something negative about their team even if you justify it with logic, and you're the devil incarnate. Ironic? It's usually young fans who don't have the aptitude to understand the game who dish out such less than insightful comments. I challenge any one of them to debate their case.


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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 16 2011, 11:39 AM)
typical really... they win/lose/draw/trash/trashed, they are gonna troll and give everyone stick, if not in Football Lounge then in Kopitiam. Its funny how they say Charlie Adam dived (despite getting touched) and when their players do the same, its justified.

But whats really funny is how they go out of their way to make photoshopped images and gifs about other teams. Just how low can they go?

I mean they are some senior fans who are 'proper' fans who are delightful to talk to about football, but most of them on this forum are bloody idiots who cant accept defeat even if we would have trashed them.
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Like I said earlier, there are a fair bunch of mancs who don't really understand football but bought into the brand. Therefore, their arguments are laughable at best. Now, who was the better team? In this instance, the stats don't lie.

Liverpool mancs
15(5) Shots (on Goal) 11(2)
10 Fouls 11
8 Corner Kicks 3
3 Offsides 1
56% Time of Possession 44%
1 Yellow Cards 3
0 Red Cards 0
1 Saves 4

Yes, Pepe had 1 save to make at is was straight at him.

Adams was touched and he played for the foul, no doubt but there was contact, like it or not. At least he didn't go down in tears ala Nani. Find me a statement from the rule book that says contact doesn't warrant a foul. Funny they should bring this up because Marriner obviously saw contact and if this was so, they are bloody lucky duck face didn't receive a second yellow. Yes, bring this up more please.



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QUOTE(leongtat @ Oct 16 2011, 10:47 AM)
Haha... Liverpool fans and man united will always have their own opinion and will continue to argue for the decade to come...

Anyway .... GG to you guyz... Liverpool had played well as this is Anfield not OT...
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Yes the ONLY reason we played well was because this was Anfield. Same as when we last trounced you lot 4-1. Oh wait a minute...
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 16 2011, 11:39 AM)
Adams was touched and he played for the foul, no doubt but there was contact, like it or not. At least he didn't go down in tears ala Nani. Find me a statement from the rule book that says contact doesn't warrant a foul. Funny they should bring this up because Marriner obviously saw contact and if this was so, they are bloody lucky duck face didn't receive a second yellow. Yes, bring this up more please.
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at least please make a proper comparison.. nani's case was a potential leg breaking tackle by carragher.. adam's one was.......a touch on the sock? wink.gif
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I'm not talking about the Nani-Carra incident, I'm talking about play acting in general. When I referred to Ronaldo with my mates, they said, "but he isnt with us anymore what". Ah yes, abandon a former player and throw him under the bus why don't ya? So now I refer to Nani in general. Does this mean Suarez doesn't play act? Of course he does as do many other players. Did Adam? Well I don't recall him rolling about the pitch, writhing in agony

The thing I don't get is this. Is it do hard to admit that we played better than you did in the second half? Is it so hard to admit that in most occasions, the ref would have awarded a penalty? Admitting it won't change the result so why is it so hard to do?

Love the coverage in the star btw. Totally neglected to mention anything about the fact we had a penalty denied and De Gea kept you in the game but that's THE STAR for you.


Added on October 16, 2011, 12:11 pmThe thing is this. We can choose to look at the smaller picture if we want. Someone eyeballed De Gea during a corner kick, a fan called Evra a wanker, a fly hit Ferdinand in the eye or we can focus on the bigger picture. We had a better second half. It was clear as daylight and I'm perplexed as to why Mancs can't accept it. Sure it was a draw in the end and I'm not complaining about the result. The lads played well and im sure we'll have decisions to our way in games to come but I find it frustrating that some people suffer from delusion. It leaves me wondering whether these people actually watched the game or read about it and thought it was enough to justify debating the game.

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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Oct 16 2011, 11:56 AM)
at least please make a proper comparison.. nani's case was a potential leg breaking tackle by carragher.. adam's one was.......a touch on the sock? wink.gif
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yea , it all started by mancs fans here. Even Rio himself being honest enough to admit there was a slightly contact on Adam and the mancs still calling him for diving? Rio is lucky enough for not getting the 2nd yellow.

Touch on the sock , yea yea..you can see Evra rolling on the floor after suarez ''touched'' his sock !
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 16 2011, 12:04 PM)
I'm not talking about the Nani-Carra incident, I'm talking about play acting in general. When I referred to Ronaldo with my mates, they said, "but he isnt with us anymore what". Ah yes, abandon a former player and throw him under the bus why don't ya? So now I refer to Nani in general. Does this mean Suarez doesn't play act? Of course he does as do many other players. Did Adam? Well I don't recall him rolling about the pitch, writhing in agony

The thing I don't get is this. Is it do hard to admit that we played better than you did in the second half? Is it so hard to admit that in most occasions, the ref would have awarded a penalty? Admitting it won't change the result so why is it so hard to do?

Love the coverage in the star btw. Totally neglected to mention anything about the fact we had a penalty denied and De Gea kept you in the game but that's THE STAR for you.


Added on October 16, 2011, 12:11 pmThe thing is this. We can choose to look at the smaller picture if we want. Someone eyeballed De Gea during a corner kick, a fan called Evra a wanker, a fly hit Ferdinand in the eye or we can focus on the bigger picture. We had a better second half. It was clear as daylight and I'm perplexed as to why Mancs can't accept it. Sure it was a draw in the end and I'm not complaining about the result. The lads played well and im sure we'll have decisions to our way in games to come  but I find it frustrating that some people suffer from delusion. It leaves me wondering whether these people actually watched the game or read about it and thought it was enough to justify debating the game.
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theres no point arguing with these kind of fans Duke, they'll ignore all your legit points and cry about something we've already admitted to (for example the Carra - nani incident).

When people bandwagon, they get delusional... the rare occasion of them not getting the result they wanted makes them self-destruct into an all-out-trolling spree... especially with the 8-2 against arsenal in the bag.

everytime i see a manc troll or rage, i just shrug it off because I know its typical of them and we too have our own fans who are as retarded as theirs.
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Same to Liverpool fans also hate united more then Supporting their club, else why call united scums ? Sports only, people kill ur family till you wanna call then scum ? Don't be hypocrite ... U all not deserve to be called best supporters ...
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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Oct 16 2011, 12:36 PM)
Same to Liverpool fans also hate united more then Supporting their club, else why call united scums ? Sports only, people kill ur family till you wanna call then scum ? Don't be hypocrite ... U all not deserve to be called best supporters ...
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Compare our threads and see who talks more about the other club. You aren't illiterate from what I can tell. Google also who has the more anti-who songs.
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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Oct 16 2011, 12:36 PM)
Same to Liverpool fans also hate united more then Supporting their club, else why call united scums ? Sports only, people kill ur family till you wanna call then scum ? Don't be hypocrite ... U all not deserve to be called best supporters ...
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Clearly you are misled, people in Liverpool itself are the best supporters, not those in Asia.
you want to see some of the best supporters, go to youtube and search for Besiktas or Red Star Belgrade.

the number of man u trolls in this thread versus the number of liverpool trolls in the man u thread speaks for itself, I need not
explain to you want the numbers tell.

The majority of people here talk of how we performed well and how De Gea was superb. yet in the man u thread, you lot
can only cry about how our players 'dived' and how Evra was 'racial' abused and make up photos - butthurt much? Some class you Mancunians have ei?
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Let me help you. http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/muf...-opposition.htm

Aimed at other clubs as well. Now find anti-Man Utd songs from Liverpool fans will ya?


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Clearly you are misled, people in Liverpool itself are the best supporters, not those in Asia.
you want to see some of the best supporters, go to youtube and search for Besiktas or Red Star Belgrade.

the number of man u trolls in this thread versus the number of liverpool trolls in the man u thread speaks for itself, I need not
explain to you want the numbers tell.

The majority of people here talk of how we performed well and how De Gea was superb. yet in the man u thread, you lot
can only cry about how our players 'dived' and how Evra was 'racial' abused and make up photos - butthurt much? Some class you Mancunians have ei?
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Well said. Their level of arrogance denies them the ability to admit they were anything but excellent.

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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Oct 16 2011, 12:36 PM)
Same to Liverpool fans also hate united more then Supporting their club, else why call united scums ? Sports only, people kill ur family till you wanna call then scum ? Don't be hypocrite ... U all not deserve to be called best supporters ...
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aiya , go read their thread and can you see a single liverpool fan post there ? compare with here and who come to troll first ? for last 2-3 pages , no gif here and at there , they even called us glory hunter fans...and it is you guys who keep referring to us as best supporters , check this thread and see which liverpool fans claim himself is the best supporter? hypocrite or jealously when most of mancs dont even know the history of munich and the previous manager before alex ferguson .
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I LOL'ed in real life everytime i see one of them reply.

Like how Duke and the rest is doing to the butthurted trolls, retorting them is child's play and makes me believe that some really bad fanboys are seriously in need of schooling in their own clubs culture smile.gif

Oh well, makes my weekend massage more enjoyable knowing there are that many pained and whining Mancurians out there today, LOL biggrin.gif
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For all i read in other forum the visiting fans sang the hillsborough song. c*nts!

Though i really love the FIVE hand sign by stevie. My mates that watch with me last night was fuming with rage. Gave me a frickin big smile.
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Nothing I like more than a good debate. The reason I don't bother visiting their thread anymore however is because the vast majority can't debate. Those that can come into our thread and for that, I respect them. The rest however think that argument winning arguments consist of, "we are better because we are Mancs", type statements. Kinda like how Shabery won his debate against Anwar a couple of years back. Syiok sendiri


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QUOTE(rushmode @ Oct 16 2011, 12:56 PM)
For all i read in other forum the visiting fans sang the hillsborough song. c*nts!

Though i really love the FIVE hand sign by stevie. My mates  that watch with me last night was fuming with rage. Gave me a frickin big smile.
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Says a lot that red nose had to tell their fans to show some respect prior to the game. Apparently they didn't heed his advice.

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hey..we we better on 2nd half, have several opportunity to score, like Kuyt and Henderson. But De Gea was superb at right time and right place..duhhh....!!
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 16 2011, 01:04 PM)
hey..we we better on 2nd half, have several opportunity to score, like Kuyt and Henderson. But De Gea was superb at right time and right place..duhhh....!!
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Thing is they prefer to focus on Evra whining the whole game instead of De Gea's stellar performance. I think we pay more compliment to De Gea than they do as a matter of fact and that says a lot about their focus.

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Lovely. This is what entertainment is all about. Exchanging of opinions, controversies, arguments and many more. This thread is now so lively. Thanks to both sides of supporters. LOL.

Just to take a final dig at Man Utd fans - We did better than you yeterday and Ryan Giggs did us a big favor. Send our gratitude to him.

LOL.
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Oct 16 2011, 08:18 AM)
average?which teams?our teams?average means half table teams...you always talk nonsense dude doh.gif
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not talking nonsense.. the team is solid but still dont have the factor to be the best.. we only control the game but cant kill the game early.. the width/pace/fluidity still not there yet.. all the player need to start strengthen now and find out their speciality or we'll be in trouble on away game like manc/villa/newcastle..

rite now i'll really happy with enrique.. quality player with pace,skill,pass at a cheap price.. wonder why spain still not rate him
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 16 2011, 11:28 AM)
Let's put things in perspective shall we? First off, we didn't claim to be the "real reds", it's you mancs that do. Like I pointed out in a post yesterday however, we first wore red in 1892 while you lot only did in 1902, duh!

Secondly, I agree with redshaun on the comment about there being many retards. Now, I'll gladly put my hand up if we had lost, I have always done so but last night we came out guns blazing in the 2nd half. There is no argument who played better but fairplay, you don't always win although you played the better game. Sometimes you need to grind out a result. If the situation were reversed, only a dumb f*** manc would agree that they didn't play better, and there are many out there unfortunately i.e. young punks supporting the flavour of the month, giving real fans a bad bad name.

It was a stonewall penalty in my opinion. How Andre Marriner failed to spot it is beyond my comprehension. My mates were arguing that it was ball to hand? Fooking hell, really? Evans was at least 5 yards away from Kuyt and he left his hand there. So if Pepe had launched a rocket from inside our on half and Evans left his hand there, it would still be ball to hand? That's retarded. Biased opinion. Am I complaining however? No, it happens. Sometimes you get the rub of the green and sometimes you don't. It just pisses me off that my mates won't admit it. I mean Downing dived, I admit to it so be a man and fess up. It was a penalty and it wasn't given but that's how games go and over 38 games, your luck evens out.
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Duke, do you reckon that United should get the pen when the ball hit Enrique's hand? Twice, arm and his hand. No call, Marriner's fault and inept?

First of all, none of us are MANCS, you need to get that facht right. We are ALL MALAYSIANS/SINGAPOREANS, be it you and me.

Secondly, I think I've read most of your and other Pool fans comments on diving and blablabla. What are your takes on Suarez, Downing and Adam? Well, I am not saying either Ronaldo and Nani didn't make a meal of challenges but last night, even for Pool's standard, was a disgrace. Especially on Adam's, he was like waiting for the chance to come and *bam* Ferdinand offered him. Marriner bought it.

That said, the game was more like 50-50 to me. Although at times, Pool looked like the more dangerous team. Yet, neither Downing or Enrique had the best of Smalling. He pawned both of them, IMO. How did Gerrard got the MOTM was beyond me.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 16 2011, 01:20 PM)
Duke, do you reckon that United should get the pen when the ball hit Enrique's hand? Twice, arm and his hand. No call, Marriner's fault and inept?

First of all, none of us are MANCS, you need to get that facht right. We are ALL MALAYSIANS/SINGAPOREANS, be it you and me.

Secondly, I think I've read most of your and other Pool fans comments on diving and blablabla. What are your takes on Suarez, Downing and Adam? Well, I am not saying either Ronaldo and Nani didn't make a meal of challenges but last night, even for Pool's standard, was a disgrace. Especially on Adam's, he was like waiting for the chance to come and *bam* Ferdinand offered him. Marriner bought it.

That said, the game was more like 50-50 to me. Although at times, Pool looked like the more dangerous team. Yet, neither Downing or Enrique had the best of Smalling. He pawned both of them, IMO. How did Gerrard got the MOTM was beyond me.
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1) If Man U had a penalty because of Enrique then we should have gotten a penalty as well - the ref set a precedent he should (and did) follow
2) Suarez and Downing did dive, no one disputed that. Suarez is known to be a bad boy. Adam did NOT dive, he made a meal of the challenge, but the very fact that there was a challenge indicates that it wasn't a dive, it was a clumsy and lazy challenge by Ferdinand.
3) You and everyone else know very well what we mean when we say 'mancs' - no need to point out the obvious
4) I agreed that Smalling did superbly well against Downing, Enrique however, gave smalling some trouble.
5) Liverpool did well is shutting off Young (who IMO has been Man U's best player apart from Rooney).

at the end of the day Im happy with the result and so should manu fans. Fergie got it wrong for not fielding the trio.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 16 2011, 01:20 PM)
Duke, do you reckon that United should get the pen when the ball hit Enrique's hand? Twice, arm and his hand. No call, Marriner's fault and inept?

First of all, none of us are MANCS, you need to get that facht right. We are ALL MALAYSIANS/SINGAPOREANS, be it you and me.

Secondly, I think I've read most of your and other Pool fans comments on diving and blablabla. What are your takes on Suarez, Downing and Adam? Well, I am not saying either Ronaldo and Nani didn't make a meal of challenges but last night, even for Pool's standard, was a disgrace. Especially on Adam's, he was like waiting for the chance to come and *bam* Ferdinand offered him. Marriner bought it.

That said, the game was more like 50-50 to me. Although at times, Pool looked like the more dangerous team. Yet, neither Downing or Enrique had the best of Smalling. He pawned both of them, IMO. How did Gerrard got the MOTM was beyond me.
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If you read my comments earlier you'd note that I said Downing dived and Suarez does play act. No arguments from me. Can't fathom why some of your kin can't admit to the same thing.

As for the handballs it is in my honest opinion that Enrique's was a case of ball to hand. Even your own players didn't protest which speaks volumes. You may say I'm biased but I've always called it like I see it. I've always fessed up if I thought we were lucky or if one of ours dived.

Mancs to me are fans of youse. Even if you google the definition, there isn't a conclusive one. Hence I'll use it as I see fit. If you do google it's definition you'll find some less than wonderful definitions and even I won't use them.

The first half was 50-50 but the fact that we give De Gea praise says we had the better chances in the second half. When did Pepe have to make a save. I don't think it's that hard to show a little humility.

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before those mancs come and accuse our player racist , lets have a look on what their captain done b4 in last few years

1st case

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I will not defend Suarez if he is guilty with the racist remark but lets not forget their captain have a record of being a cheater and accuser.

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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 16 2011, 01:31 PM)
before those mancs come and accuse our player racist , lets have a look on what their captain done b4 in last few years

1st case
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I will not defend Suarez if he is guilty with the racist remark but lets not forget their captain have a record of being a cheater and accuser.
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Good job. I wish more people indulged in fact finding exercises before posting drivel.

Lets wait for evidence this time round. If Suarez were really racist, Glen Johnson would have twatted him by now.

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 16 2011, 01:20 PM)
Duke, do you reckon that United should get the pen when the ball hit Enrique's hand? Twice, arm and his hand. No call, Marriner's fault and inept?

First of all, none of us are MANCS, you need to get that facht right. We are ALL MALAYSIANS/SINGAPOREANS, be it you and me.

Secondly, I think I've read most of your and other Pool fans comments on diving and blablabla. What are your takes on Suarez, Downing and Adam? Well, I am not saying either Ronaldo and Nani didn't make a meal of challenges but last night, even for Pool's standard, was a disgrace. Especially on Adam's, he was like waiting for the chance to come and *bam* Ferdinand offered him. Marriner bought it.

That said, the game was more like 50-50 to me. Although at times, Pool looked like the more dangerous team. Yet, neither Downing or Enrique had the best of Smalling. He pawned both of them, IMO. How did Gerrard got the MOTM was beyond me.
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hahahahhaa......u sure smalling pawned them??? u actually watch the match? he committed a schoolboy error one on one against suarez when sliding in and get nth in the end.

anyway. its good alone to see Gerrard bac and scoring.and undermine how important he is to our gameplay.and even more so when you know the supposedly best team in the country came into our field afraid of losing a match. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Let me be Michael Moores for a minute. Btw if any manc wants to comment, please google Michael Moores first to understand my post. Does anyone reckon that one reason Fergie rested his stars was because of what Rafa said? Mind games from our former gaffer perhaps? It's way out there but like I said, let me be Michael Moores for a second.
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enrique 'hand' ball was like ball to shoulder to hand. while evans is more clear ball to hand. though i personally think it didnt matter much when the ref not giving the penalty for both coz i think kinda soft penalty to give.

evra has been playing the 'race' card couple of times before. and all was ruled out. and i dont think suarez is a racist though.. he played in eradivise for quite a while to be a racist prick... banyak nigres sana. lol.
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If you want a Sunday laugh, go to their thread. Its hilarious.

Taking snipes at our team, the fans and even Duke on a personal level.

a bunch of sad souls who will be donning a different jersey when their team stops winning the league.

Maybe when Manu stop being in the summit these lot will be donning the colours of Manchester.... City.
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Oct 16 2011, 10:47 AM)
Haha... Liverpool fans and man united will always have their own opinion and will continue to argue for the decade to come...

Anyway .... GG to you guyz... Liverpool had played well as this is Anfield not OT...
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OH please leongtat, never heard of home advantage before? New to football? sweat.gif
Of course you dont rclxub.gif

QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Oct 16 2011, 11:56 AM)
at least please make a proper comparison.. nani's case was a potential leg breaking tackle by carragher.. adam's one was.......a touch on the sock? wink.gif
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Generally you should know what Nani will act on the ground nod.gif
Regardless of weather Adam's foul is soft or too soft, remember, R.Ferdinand did challenge for the ball, same goes to the challenge to Suarez.. I do not understand why he is fuming about the reff's call..
Its simple, you challenge, you didnt get the ball, its a foul..


Talk about Evra.. Guess we know what a player is he..
Look what have happened to his international career. A captain for ManU? Disgrace sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 16 2011, 01:29 PM)
1) If Man U had a penalty because of Enrique then we should have gotten a penalty as well - the ref set a precedent he should (and did) follow
2) Suarez and Downing did dive, no one disputed that. Suarez is known to be a bad boy. Adam did NOT dive, he made a meal of the challenge, but the very fact that there was a challenge indicates that it wasn't a dive, it was a clumsy and lazy challenge by Ferdinand.
3) You and everyone else know very well what we mean when we say 'mancs' - no need to point out the obvious
4) I agreed that Smalling did superbly well against Downing, Enrique however, gave smalling some trouble.
5) Liverpool did well is shutting off Young (who IMO has been Man U's best player apart from Rooney).

at the end of the day Im happy with the result and so should manu fans. Fergie got it wrong for not fielding the trio.
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I'm more than happy with the result. Don't get me wrong. But to say that Fergie got it wrong for not fielding Anderson, Nani and Rooney is a bit debatable. With the Euro qualifiers midweek, UCL midweek and City next weekend. He had to plan for the best.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 16 2011, 01:31 PM)
If you read my comments earlier you'd note that I said Downing dived and Suarez does play act. No arguments from me. Can't fathom why some of your kin can't admit to the same thing.

As for the handballs it is in my honest opinion that Enrique's was a case of ball to hand. Even your own players didn't protest which speaks volumes. You may say I'm biased but I've always called it like I see it. I've always fessed up if I thought we were lucky or if one of ours dived.

Mancs to me are fans of youse. Even if you google the definition, there isn't a conclusive one. Hence I'll use it as I see fit. If you do google it's definition you'll find some less than wonderful definitions and even I won't use them.

The first half was 50-50 but the fact that we give De Gea praise says we had the better chances in the second half. When did Pepe have to make a save. I don't think it's that hard to show a little humility.
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De Gea is a good GK despite all of those stupid remarks made by media early of the season. He's young and learning. To have him as our best player last night, says a lot about the team's ability in containing the ball and move forward. Which at times, very disappointing, especially for someone whom has played for loooonnnnggg time, Ryan Giggs.

QUOTE(chaukeng @ Oct 16 2011, 01:38 PM)
hahahahhaa......u sure smalling pawned them??? u actually watch the match? he committed a schoolboy error one on one against suarez when sliding in and get nth in the end.

anyway. its good alone to see Gerrard bac and scoring.and undermine how important he is to our gameplay.and even more so when you know the supposedly best team in the country came into our field afraid of losing a match. rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Dude, it's ok to be biased but it was very apparent that Smalling had them two in his pockets. I know of both of Downing and Enrique's qualities, they weren't shown much last night. Yes, there was a blip but Smalling kept both of them at bay. Same can be said about Young being contained by Kelly and Kuyt/Lucas. Credit is given where it is due. Simple.

QUOTE(rushmode @ Oct 16 2011, 01:40 PM)
enrique 'hand' ball was like ball to shoulder to hand. while evans is more clear ball to hand. though i personally think it didnt matter much when the ref not giving the penalty for both coz i think kinda soft penalty to give.

evra has been playing the 'race' card couple of times before. and all was ruled out. and i dont think suarez is a racist though.. he played in eradivise for quite a while to be a racist prick... banyak nigres sana. lol.
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True. I do agree with that.

Regarding the racist thing, lets just wait what would the FA have to say about this. He's(Suarez) innocent until proven guilty. That said, he has some bad boy rep, isn't he?

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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 16 2011, 01:45 PM)
If you want a Sunday laugh, go to their thread. Its hilarious.

Taking snipes at our team, the fans and even Duke on a personal level.

a bunch of sad souls who will be donning a different jersey when their team stops winning the league.

Maybe when Manu stop being in the summit these lot will be donning the colours of Manchester.... City.
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Oohhh someone insulted me on a personal level did he? Like to see him come out from behind the keyboard and do it face-to-face as any real man would. It's expected though. When you can't put up a decent argument, one usually resorts to insults out of desperation.
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I'm more than happy with the result. Don't get me wrong. But to say that Fergie got it wrong for not fielding Anderson, Nani and Rooney is a bit debatable.


at 1st when i saw the line up..i was shock also...more into try to snatch a goal before Sir Alex sub in Rooney and Hernandez....thats why i hope my team can score 1 or 2 goals before Sir Alex bring in the duo. Then i realize there will be and important game on the next midweek? (well im not aware of Man Utd fixture)

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De Gea is a good GK despite all of those stupid remarks made by media early of the season. He's young and learning. To have him as our best player last night, says a lot about the team's ability in containing the ball and move forward. Which at times, very disappointing, especially for someone whom has played for loooonnnnggg time, Ryan Giggs.


mad.gif mad.gif i still cant believe he save the ball from Kuyt and Henderson...

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Dude, it's ok to be biased but it was very apparent that Smalling had them two in their pockets.


i dont know the exactly 'had them in their pockets' if Smailing prevent Downing and Enrique to cross, then i can say our Kelly had Ashley Young in his pockets too.

All and all, did we agree yesterday Man Utd was below par, cause i think Man Utd benchmark is winning, So not winning is below the benchmark rite?
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Talk about Evra.. Guess we know what a player is he..
Look what have happened to his international career. A captain for ManU? Disgrace sweat.gif
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what do you expect , look at their ex-captain ...rio ferdinand and ryan giggs..one failed in drug test and one get caught for cheating his own brother ..yea yea , I am expecting someone to said our captain involved in bar punching someone but

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/ju...-verdict-affray

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 16 2011, 02:03 PM)
Oohhh someone insulted me on a personal level did he? Like to see him come out from behind the keyboard and do it face-to-face as any real man would. It's expected though. When you can't put up a decent argument, one usually resorts to insults out of desperation.
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yea , do it face to face here , dont be so hypocrite when you guys come and left 1-2 posts only ..scare of argument and discussion? I have no problem to apologise if someone pointed out I am wrong.


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what do you expect , look at their ex-captain ...rio ferdinand and ryan giggs..one failed in drug test and one get caught for cheating his own brother ..yea yea , I am expecting someone to said our captain involved in bar punching someone but

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/ju...-verdict-affray
yea , do it face to face here , dont be so hypocrite when you guys come and left 1-2 posts only ..scare of argument and discussion? I have no problem to apologise if someone pointed out I am wrong.
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Maybe I made a mistake by saying "as any real man would" because them are mostly kids who would tell their mom if I so much as looked their way. It wasn't a threat by the way, I just honestly believe that you only garner respect by doing certain things face-to-face like breaking up with a girlfriend, or in this case, insulting someone. Only pussies break up using SMS or insult someone from miles away. That being said, all I'm looking for is for someone who can put up a decent argument and not cry like a little girl when they can't. Look at boxsystem. We may or may not agree on certain issues but at least he can put up an argument which is why I often chastise those of us who criticise such posters from coming into our thread. Do post if you have points to make, not if all you want to do is demonstrate your lack of intellect.

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ROFLMAO. I'm gonna need more comments to update my blog. This is gonna be one hell of a post. LOL.

Continue...debating please.
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Oohhh someone insulted me on a personal level did he? Like to see him come out from behind the keyboard and do it face-to-face as any real man would. It's expected though. When you can't put up a decent argument, one usually resorts to insults out of desperation.
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Dont waste your energy going aftet these sort of fans Duke, they are but a flash in a pan - glory-hunters, as they are more commonly known.

I just dont get it why alot of Manu fans are so bitter about everything, they're the record holders for most league titles, second in the league as of now, arguably the strongest side this season (maybe man city is a little stronger - we'll know next week). I'm not being biased but I have seen very very little, if any hate post against manu in this thread. But when you go to theirs... wow... the amount of hate is uncalled for.

I appreciate manu fans like boxsystem, who can post with intellect (despite me knowing its rather hard to surpress the hate both sets of fans share for each other.

With regards to Suarez's racial abuse of Evra, I wouldnt be one bit surprised if it was to be proven true. Suarez has a bad boy rep and is known to be hot headed. And if proven guilty, I hope he is punished accordingly.
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It's like I said earlier. All anyone has to do is google, "anti-man Utd songs from Liverpool", and "anti-Liverpool songs from man Utd" and voila! The evidence miraculously appears. So if you want to accuse us of posting hate comments, please look to yourself first. In fact, almost all our posts are focused on ourselves and the only reason we are talking about the Mancs is because certain lame brained comments. When we beat Everton there were pages of comments on how we were lucky and the ref was biased. Am I wrong? They can insult me or anyone else here as much as they want but no one can argue with facts.
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It's like I said earlier. All anyone has to do is google, "anti-man Utd songs from Liverpool", and "anti-Liverpool songs from man Utd" and voila! The evidence miraculously appears. So if you want to accuse us of posting hate comments, please look to yourself first. In fact, almost all our posts are focused on ourselves and the only reason we are talking about the Mancs is because certain lame brained comments. When we beat Everton there were pages of comments on how we were lucky and the ref was biased. Am I wrong? They can insult me or anyone else here as much as they want but no one can argue with facts.
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How come this thread is being derailed? All I saw was our own liv fan forumer pointing out weaknesses of our own and some analitical comments which is non bias, with super DeGea saves which is to be praised. And it got derailed after MU fans trolling in this thread? For The Club's sake please stop trolling. You're just embarassed your own club and other few true MU fans out there which I've so much respected. Learn from them. Not troll. Jeez... You guys better off just supporting teams that just "wins".
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Were playing so much differently when Capt. Fantastic's on the pitch for the whole game. I mean take nothing away from Charlie Adam, he was played bloody well as well, so did Enrique. Overall we played like champions, now all we have to do is emulate this kind of performance consistently throughout the campaign.
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QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 16 2011, 02:15 PM)
at 1st when i saw the line up..i was shock also...more into try to snatch a goal before Sir Alex sub in Rooney and Hernandez....thats why i hope my team can score 1 or 2 goals before Sir Alex bring in the duo. Then i realize there will be and important game on the next midweek? (well im not aware of Man Utd fixture)
I was baffled to see the lineup as well. At times, that old man really gave us fans things to think about. But, I'm pretty much sure he knows what he's doing.

QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 16 2011, 02:15 PM)
mad.gif  mad.gif  i still cant believe he save the ball from Kuyt and Henderson...

De Gea was sensational. I thought Suarez would've scored on a couple of occasions.

QUOTE(normeck @ Oct 16 2011, 02:15 PM)
i dont know the exactly 'had them in their pockets' if Smailing prevent Downing and Enrique to cross, then i can say our Kelly had Ashley Young in his pockets too.

All and all, did we agree yesterday Man Utd was below par,  cause i think Man Utd benchmark is winning, So not winning is below the benchmark rite?
I can't really say whether winning is the benchmark. The old man seemed to be calm throughout and after the game.

Mind you lots, I do think it is more favorable to us than you because based on recent records, we are doomed whenever we play there. So, 1 point gained will do us good for challenging the title.

And our noisy neighbors are steamrolling almost every teams that they played. Except for us and that team that they drew with.
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I think Gerrard should relinquish some of his dead ball duties to Adam. It's one of his main assets and a big reason why we signed him. As it is we don't often score from corners and I'd much rather Gerrard be in the box as he's pretty good in the air, than at the corner flag.


Added on October 16, 2011, 5:04 pmSporting gesture from Carra yesterday as well. When what's his face lunged at him as he was making a clearance down the line, Carra immediately got up on his feet, shook his hand and indicated to the ref that is wasn't as bad a challenge as it looked. This will of course go unnoticed by those whose only memory of Carra was that bad challenge on Nani. Those that choose to define a man by using one example throughout his career, while ignoring the fact that he's one of the most professional footballers around, who shies away from living a lavish lifestyle and watches football videos in his spare time.

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Now that Duke, reminds me of SAF's comments that our Adam's corners are worth 10 Million quids.

Going on though, I believe that our heart of defense needs to be tougher. WE still haven't secured a spine that works, ALTHOUGH i suspect that with our 'viKing' Agger would be a good one to start with, bar his injuries and fitness.
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While they are insulting and talking bs about us,they dont seem to realise that citeh has overtaken them laugh.gif

Evra
In 2008 he accused steve finnan of a racial comment made towards him and lip readers were involved (good luck in finding teeth readers for Suarez)... Nothing came of it.

He then accused a member of the Chelsea staff of a racial comment... Nothing came of it.

He then claimed in 2010 he was racially abused by senegalese fans for choosing to play for France over them.

And the same Patrice Evra threatened to beat up cesc fabregas.

I dunno who is the cheater here. whistling.gif Anyway,this game is over.We played better but a draw was probably about a fair result.Some winnable games coming up next with norwich.

Next week hope to see agger and glen johnson back in starting line up.

I also fully agree with duke that charlie adam should be taking the set pieces and gerrard should be in the box.





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King James found the time to make a generous donation to charity whilst he was in Liverpool http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...es-lfc-donation


Added on October 16, 2011, 5:40 pmKing Kenny praises Ferdinand for his honesty in admitting he made contact with Adam. http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/10/he-sh...eferee-got.html. Classy act from both parties.

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Hey guys, the Scousers would have a chance to be with Rafa Benitez, there's an event which he'll talk about Liverpool F.C


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Ok. My post is ready. biggrin.gif

Something to enlighten you after the tension of last night's match.

LIV VS MU: POST MATCH REACTION FROM BOTH SIDE OF FANS AND THE TOP 5 ALLEGED DIVERS OF BPL
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QUOTE(ForsakenFaith @ Oct 16 2011, 04:37 PM)
Were playing so much differently when Capt. Fantastic's on the pitch for the whole game. I mean take nothing away from Charlie Adam, he was played bloody well as well, so did Enrique. Overall we played like champions, now all we have to do is emulate this kind of performance consistently throughout the campaign.
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based on last nite match,, gerrard overshadowed adam making the scottish unable to make some deadly pass becoz of respect/afraid to the captain.. sometime it's good to have player like gerrard/suarez but sometime it still cause trouble to have 'em like the player are prone to give the ball to 'em & do not try to play freedom with their skill..
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Did Suarez played as lone striker?Kinda hate it,he looked less operational.

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Suarez led the line but was well supported by the likes of Gerrard and Kuyt. He was in my opinion, the MOM, not Gerrard. I think seeing our captain back on his feet and scoring at the Kop end meant he was the sentimental pick for the award. Suarez was a constant menace and was easily our most threatening player. He tormented anyone who was marking him. He held up the ball really well even when it was played high to him. He is surprisingly strong and managed to hold off much bigger defenders whether the ball was played high or low to him.
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dun forget Enrique, he is one of the best in the LB position and played very well too.....
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The biggest win yesterday came before a single ball was kicked. The moment I saw the line up I knew this tie was ours to lose.

Mr. Ferguson plain old chickened out and gave Liverpool the respect of a champion with that line up. I wouldn't say he was terrified, but he certainly was afraid of being himself.

MU fans, feel free to weigh in here, knowing Mr. Ferguson, if given the chance to stick one into his most hated rival and give them a proper hiding, would he have done it? Be true to yourself here. We all know how much he hates Liverpool and given the chance, he would stick a knife into anything Liverpool. But he was too scared to do it. He wanted to play it safe. He would rather a draw and keep a bit of morale going into the CL and the derby. Cause if he fields a full team and gets slaughtered, his head would be on the line come City time.

He was scared. He gave us the respect of a champion. That gives me a genuine cause to be optimistic.
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Suarez led the line but was well supported by the likes of Gerrard and Kuyt. He was in my opinion, the MOM, not Gerrard. I think seeing our captain back on his feet and scoring at the Kop end meant he was the sentimental pick for the award. Suarez was a constant menace and was easily our most threatening player. He tormented anyone who was marking him. He held up the ball really well even when it was played high to him. He is surprisingly strong and managed to hold off much bigger defenders whether the ball was played high or low to him.
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Yes the ONLY reason we played well was because this was Anfield. Same as when we last trounced you lot 4-1. Oh wait a minute...
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Why are you guys so sensitive la? I'm giving you guyz complement... I'm saying the home advantage are one of the reason you guyz playing so well... based on the last 3 result where we have lost consecutively there.... that is normal if fergie goes for a more safety formation to neutralize the attack....

And yet everytime we mention something you have to link it back to the past.... Has liverpool not lost to man united at anfield? You are just being hyper sensitive with your extraodinary love for your team and extra-ordinary hate for Manchester united.

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downing should be off for bellamy. he was not very effective last night while bellamy could cause a lot of trouble for the defenders and giving a lil bit space for suarez.

i think the back four was good. hernandez goal was a let down but all and all, they was good. enrique is already looks like he's the best buy of the season. kelly solid, carra his usual self and skrtel has improved alot.

i hope kenny could rest suarez and give bellamy and carrol a start for norwich game. and bring on suarez when needed. the guy deserved some rest. heplayed his heart from the beginning of the season.

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Oct 16 2011, 09:33 PM)
downing should be off for bellamy. he was not very effective last night while bellamy could cause a lot of trouble for the defenders and giving a lil bit space for suarez.

i think the back four was good. hernandez goal was a let down but all and all, they was good. enrique is already looks like he's the best buy of the season. kelly solid, carra his usual self and skrtel has improved alot.

i hope kenny could rest suarez and give bellamy and carrol a start for norwich game. and bring on suarez when needed. the guy deserved some rest. heplayed his heart from the beginning of the season.
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I felt Enrique was really really good in the game. I was really impressed with his crosses, far better than Downing IMO.
And still IMO our best signing.
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Oct 16 2011, 09:31 PM)
Why are you guys so sensitive la? I'm giving you guyz complement... I'm saying the home advantage are one of the reason you guyz playing so well... based on the last 3 result where we have lost consecutively there.... that is normal if fergie goes for a more safety formation to neutralize the attack....

And yet everytime we mention something you have to link it back to the past.... Has liverpool not lost to man united at anfield? You are just being hyper sensitive with your extraodinary love for your team and extra-ordinary hate for Manchester united.
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I have to admit that the 4-1 victory overshadowed many of the recent meetings at OT.Liverpool's record at OT has been very poor recently and even before the 4-1 game.However there is nothing wrong with duke's extraordinary love for liverpool.If anything goes by,you guys at MUST should try emulate him.

You should realise that the damage to your club's image is done in MUST not in koptalks.


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I felt Enrique was really really good in the game. I was really impressed with his crosses, far better than Downing IMO.
And still IMO our best signing.
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Oct 16 2011, 09:31 PM)
Why are you guys so sensitive la? I'm giving you guyz complement... I'm saying the home advantage are one of the reason you guyz playing so well... based on the last 3 result where we have lost consecutively there.... that is normal if fergie goes for a more safety formation to neutralize the attack....

And yet everytime we mention something you have to link it back to the past.... Has liverpool not lost to man united at anfield? You are just being hyper sensitive with your extraodinary love for your team and extra-ordinary hate for Manchester united.
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lol, to be totally honest the extraordinary hate applies more to you guys. you hardly see us even going into your thread to trash talk or throw turds all over the area. the hypocrisy and the "love" shown in your thread are the epitome of jealousy and hatred over a club and you guys seems more obsess with Liverpool than you are of manchester united. but that is to be expected i suppose. so before you come in here accusing the fans here of extraordinary hatred, go look in the mirror. the image of that truth is more than most can handle i suppose blush.gif

and if we were hyper-sensitive like you claim, we would all be in your thread responding to the many lies or jibes that's in there, but i guess that is whats different between class and trolling whistling.gif
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Oct 16 2011, 09:31 PM)
Why are you guys so sensitive la? I'm giving you guyz complement... I'm saying the home advantage are one of the reason you guyz playing so well... based on the last 3 result where we have lost consecutively there.... that is normal if fergie goes for a more safety formation to neutralize the attack....

And yet everytime we mention something you have to link it back to the past.... Has liverpool not lost to man united at anfield? You are just being hyper sensitive with your extraodinary love for your team and extra-ordinary hate for Manchester united.
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Read your sentence again.

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Anyway .... GG to you guyz... Liverpool had played well as this is Anfield not OT...


Now I'm no English lecturer but this suggests to me that the reason we played well is because it was Anfield and we won't be able to do the same if we play at OT. You may not have meant any malice now that you've explained yourself but it doesn't change how I would have interpreted your statement.

Sensitive? My fault you didn't articulate yourself clearly then.
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I LOL's at this... really never learn.

and what are you? a hypocrite? blush.gif

and i absolutely love the fact that most of us here don't even bother to look into their thread and just keep to our thread for comments so whatever they have to say to us, they have to do it in our thread rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(REDShaun @ Oct 16 2011, 10:01 PM)
I LOL's at this... really never learn.

and what are you? a hypocrite?  blush.gif

and i absolutely love the fact that most of us here don't even bother to look into their thread and just keep to our thread for comments so whatever they have to say to us, they have to do it in our thread  rclxms.gif
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One of the clowns even quoted you in the thread.I stopped after one page.Anyway,

Before yesterday 1.Man utd 5. Liverpool
After yesterday 2.Man utd 5.Liverpool

I guess the game's outcome affected them more.
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QUOTE(leongtat @ Oct 16 2011, 09:31 PM)
Why are you guys so sensitive la? I'm giving you guyz complement... I'm saying the home advantage are one of the reason you guyz playing so well... based on the last 3 result where we have lost consecutively there.... that is normal if fergie goes for a more safety formation to neutralize the attack....

And yet everytime we mention something you have to link it back to the past.... Has liverpool not lost to man united at anfield? You are just being hyper sensitive with your extraodinary love for your team and extra-ordinary hate for Manchester united.
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who sensitive now ? if we are sensitive , you will see few of us replying in ur thread but instead you guys choose to come here and say "of coz play well la , anfield ma "


QUOTE(clsiluf @ Oct 16 2011, 09:56 PM)
So called elite member my ass ... Comment so bias
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butthurted is butthurted..at least give some proof and argument why you said his comment is bias ? lol , you look like a little child that go into someone house and accuse "you are ugly" ..haha , sakit buntut then dont come and read here ...take care of ur blood pressure dude
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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Oct 16 2011, 09:56 PM)
So called elite member my ass ... Comment so bias
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Come back when you're all grown up and know how to debate little boy.

Which fan isn't biased towards his own club? Even so, you can always put forth a counter argument unless it's beyond your means. Don't fault others for your own shortcomings.


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I LOL's at this... really never learn.

and what are you? a hypocrite?  blush.gif

and i absolutely love the fact that most of us here don't even bother to look into their thread and just keep to our thread for comments so whatever they have to say to us, they have to do it in our thread  rclxms.gif
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I get the feeling that this lot expect us to worship their side and they want us to a submit to them and admit they are superior.

Selective memory as well eh? Accusing me of being biased while conveniently ignoring the times we admitted to being outplayed e.g. against Sunderland and Spurs, that our player dived e.g. Downing, that an opposition player didn't deserve to be red carded e.g. Rodwell, that Suarez should be punished if he did
make racist remarks, etc. Biased reading more like it.

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I'm upset by the acusations of racism. I can only say that I have always respected and respect everybody. We are all the same. I go to the field with the maximum illusion of a little child who enjoys what he does, not to create conflicts

suarez posted this on his facebook page.i dun think he is one who lies though.no biased here.
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The biggest win yesterday came before a single ball was kicked. The moment I saw the line up I knew this tie was ours to lose.

Mr. Ferguson plain old chickened out and gave Liverpool the respect of a champion with that line up. I wouldn't say he was terrified, but he certainly was afraid of being himself.

MU fans, feel free to weigh in here, knowing Mr. Ferguson, if given the chance to stick one into his most hated rival and give them a proper hiding, would he have done it? Be true to yourself here. We all know how much he hates Liverpool and given the chance, he would stick a knife into anything Liverpool. But he was too scared to do it. He wanted to play it safe. He would rather a draw and keep a bit of morale going into the CL and the derby. Cause if he fields a full team and gets slaughtered, his head would be on the line come City time.

He was scared. He gave us the respect of a champion. That gives me a genuine cause to be optimistic.
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Before anyone gets too emotional, this is purely my opinion on his lineup choice yesterday.

First of all, most of our players went to play for their country. Hernandez for example, arrived late on Thursday which would make him tire easily if he was to be named at the start of the match.

Secondly, there are more important matches. I am very sorry to say but, I don't think that Liverpool will challenge for the title this season. Top of the table clash with City(which has reinforced their team with very very good players) and UCL qualifications to knockout stages. Lets be frank, most of you lots would love to see Liverpool to play in UCL right? The revenue generated by being in the competition is quite rewarding. Hence, the importance of these 2 matches are being thought of. Not that I'm undermining Liverpool but your team will still need a lot of work to challenge for the title. Anyone can quote me on this, please feel free to do so. You do know I am talking sense. And I would say your team priorities would be getting back into the CL.

Third, I do think that Fergie would like avoid unnecessary injuries to the team. Clearly, he would need the services of the trio(Hernandez, Rooney and Nani) throughout the season. Yes, we do have a BIG squad which can cope but individual qualities do count at times. Especially, some of them could produce magic out of nowhere, good example would be Hernandez with his goal yesterday.

In conclusion, to say that he was scared is not really appropriate. He didn't want to take risks with his best players. Yeah, sure you could argue, where was Berbatov? That, you need to ask the old man himself. I am only speculating and these are my views as a fan.

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 16 2011, 10:40 PM)
Before anyone gets too emotional, this is purely my opinion on his lineup choice yesterday.

First of all, most of our players went to play for their country. Hernandez for example, arrived late on Thursday which would make him tire easily if he was to be named at the start of the match.

Secondly, there are more important matches. I am very sorry to say but, I don't think that Liverpool will challenge for the title this season. Top of the table clash with City(which has reinforced their team with very very good players) and UCL qualifications to knockout stages. Lets be frank, most of you lots would love to see Liverpool to play in UCL right? The revenue generated by being in the competition is quite rewarding. Hence, the importance of these 2 matches are being thought of. Not that I'm undermining Liverpool but your team will still need a lot of work to challenge for the title. Anyone can quote me on this, please feel free to do so. You do know I am talking sense. And I would say your team priorities would be getting back into the CL.

Third, I do think that Fergie would like avoid unnecessary injuries to the team. Clearly, he would need the services of the trio(Hernandez, Rooney and Nani) throughout the season. Yes, we do have a BIG squad which can cope but individual qualities do count at times. Especially, some of them could produce magic out of nowhere, good example would be Hernandez with his goal yesterday.

In conclusion, to say that he was scared is not really appropriate. He didn't want to take risks with his best players. Yeah, sure you could argue, where was Berbatov? That, you need to ask the old man himself. I am only speculating and these are my views as a fan.
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Correct analysis. I will never say we are a far more superior team as we have alot to improve. I think Fergie's cautious tactic actually work well for the team in a fiery pitch like Anfield. There is a different between scare and cautious. We are no Barcelona but at home ground with the players all up for it and in the mood, we can pose a big threat.

When Chelsea visit MU, they play 4-3-3 and I immediately thought that was stupid even before the ball was kicked. If they put in 4-5-1, I would think it's acceptable and in some aspects, clever.

Kudos to you. 1st MU fans to show some manners here.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 16 2011, 10:40 PM)
Before anyone gets too emotional, this is purely my opinion on his lineup choice yesterday.

First of all, most of our players went to play for their country. Hernandez for example, arrived late on Thursday which would make him tire easily if he was to be named at the start of the match.

Secondly, there are more important matches. I am very sorry to say but, I don't think that Liverpool will challenge for the title this season. Top of the table clash with City(which has reinforced their team with very very good players) and UCL qualifications to knockout stages. Lets be frank, most of you lots would love to see Liverpool to play in UCL right? The revenue generated by being in the competition is quite rewarding. Hence, the importance of these 2 matches are being thought of. Not that I'm undermining Liverpool but your team will still need a lot of work to challenge for the title. Anyone can quote me on this, please feel free to do so. You do know I am talking sense. And I would say your team priorities would be getting back into the CL.

Third, I do think that Fergie would like avoid unnecessary injuries to the team. Clearly, he would need the services of the trio(Hernandez, Rooney and Nani) throughout the season. Yes, we do have a BIG squad which can cope but individual qualities do count at times. Especially, some of them could produce magic out of nowhere, good example would be Hernandez with his goal yesterday.

In conclusion, to say that he was scared is not really appropriate. He didn't want to take risks with his best players. Yeah, sure you could argue, where was Berbatov? That, you need to ask the old man himself. I am only speculating and these are my views as a fan.
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Fair enough. Basically he wasn't confident of a win with his full team so he went with a defensive line up to go for a draw and hopefully nick a win. We both could speculate all we want as we are not Ferguson so is understandable if we differ. No emo.
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QUOTE(Monstar @ Oct 16 2011, 10:59 PM)
Fair enough. Basically he wasn't confident of a win with his full team so he went with a defensive line up to go for a draw and hopefully nick a win. We both could speculate all we want as we are not Ferguson so is understandable if we differ. No emo.
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A win but full with injuries is not really a win, IMO.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice something for the greater good. That's what I think. Fergie might be applying that.

Seeing City pushing other teams around surely gets to his head. After all, local rivalry counts more. Furthermore, I don't think he would like to give any sort of chance to City to win the league.
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We fans, should have smiles on our faces despite the missed opportunities against Manchester United. The 1-1 draw yesterday at Anfield had summed up how we fare and we had dominated for nearly the entire game. We had three or four chances to end the game in the final couple minutes, but could not capitalize.

Either way you look at it, the match should be viewed as a success for us. Of course we wanted to come away with a victory, but the performance was the key fact to be taken into next game. We responded well though, we fought back and now i think we are serious contenders in the English Premier League for the UCL spot.

We outplayed Manchester United for nearly the entire match, and we, fans should be extremely happy with the team's performance as a whole. Everybody wants their team to win, but we have a lot to take away from this match, and most of it is positive..If United fans can't absorb the fact that we outplayed them, watch the entire match again , and start posting facts and be reality in every point you make. I could see silly arguments and rants and , to be honest i don't care about the kids pissed off with DukeRed's comments. I think his comments are top-core-with-facts and based on his observation from the matches.

I'm more happy to see the performance, the best ever i've seen thus far this season. Good posting from Dillon, Red Shaun, Duke Red and the rest. One good thing is that we respect the other club fans by not posting hatred messages and irrelative comments..Happy Weekend although a draw..good performance in overall

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I have a feeling that we could have score more if fergie put rooney and nani on the pitch from the beginning. although they play defensively but it is good for them to grab a point from Anfield.

I am happy with the team perfomance but not the result , but we still keep improving and I do admit , we still haven't reach the title challenger level. We should improve our chance conversion to goal ratio.
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 16 2011, 11:11 PM)
We fans, should have smiles on our faces despite the missed opportunities against Manchester United. The 1-1 draw yesterday at Anfield had summed up how we fare and we had dominated for nearly the entire game. We had three or four chances to end the game in the final couple minutes, but could not capitalize.

Either way you look at it, the match should be viewed as a success for us. Of course we wanted to come away with a victory, but the performance was the key fact to be taken into next game. We responded well though, we fought back and now i think we are serious contenders in the English Premier League for the UCL spot.

We outplayed Manchester United for nearly the entire match, and we, fans should be extremely happy with the team's performance as a whole. Everybody wants their team to win, but we have a lot to take away from this match, and most of it is positive..If United fans can't absorb the fact that we outplayed them, watch the entire match again , and start posting facts and be reality in every point you make. I could silly arguments and rants and , to be honest i don't care about the kids pissed off with DukeRed's comments. I think his comments are top-core-with-facts and based on his observation from the matches.

I'm more happy to see the performance, the best ever i've seen thus far this season. Good posting from Dillon, Red Shaun, Duke Red and the rest. One good thing is that we respect the other club fans by not posting hatred messages and irrelative comments..Happy Weekend although a draw..good performance in overall
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Oct 16 2011, 11:14 PM)
my thoughts exactly
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We have Norwich & WBA next up. With the sort of performances from yesterday's game, i'm more happy to see we keep the similar momentum and climb up steadily.
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2 points loss yesterday IMO but the good thing is we haven't lose at Anfield & perhaps showed other teams that United CAN be beaten. Was surprised how easy we neutralised Young despite his performance all season. IF we gonna put on a strong title charge we've got to be consistently winning at home, not losing silly points over teams that we should easily beaten.

Anyway I was back in KL for a week & had the opportunity to go to the Liverbird viewing party in Kelana Jaya last night. A simple 'mamak' style restaurant but the atmosphere was awesome with our lot conquering the place, sung songs, banners put up & they even renamed the the place the 'Kop Street'. Was proud of our supporters who showed a lot of commitment despite the result didn't go our way.

p/s: if there's anybody organizing a football/futsal match, I'd love to join up

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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 16 2011, 11:17 PM)
We have Norwich & WBA next up. With the sort of performances from yesterday's game, i'm more happy to see we keep the similar momentum and climb up steadily.
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That is exactly the kind of games I am afraid especially away from home. These boys will just sleep off during the match. Sometimes Liverpool are guilty of causing themselves plenty of problems. And I hope they can find the finishing touch this time because Norwich will park everyone infront of goalmouth.
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i'm just happy at the fact we are so much a different team than we were at the first half of last season. coming so far from that fall was like a gift that should not be squandered by complacency.

we should not just play well against our main rivals but must take into account that we must do the same when Liverpool are on away taking the game to the home crowds no matter who that may be.

with sustained performances, the realisation and achieving a spot in the champion's league is more than just a dream for a newly built team in 1 season playing together.

YNWA!

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Y U NOOO lose Newcastle vmad.gif

Next week they play wigan at home again.When are they gonna start fighting big teams hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 17 2011, 01:19 AM)
Y U NOOO lose Newcastle vmad.gif

Next week they play wigan at home again.When are they gonna start fighting big teams hmm.gif
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I'm happy with Newcastle draw. If Spurs won, they would be above us with a game in hand. Not good.
Plus, Newcastle deserves it. They were brilliant in the last 15 mins.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Oct 17 2011, 01:22 AM)
I'm happy with Newcastle draw. If Spurs won, they would be above us with a game in hand. Not good.
Plus, Newcastle deserves it. They were brilliant in the last 15 mins.
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yeah,rather newcastle than spurs.really hate spurs these days.

Following week newcastle gonna play stoke away brows.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 17 2011, 01:25 AM)
yeah,rather newcastle than spurs.really hate spurs these days.

Following week newcastle gonna play stoke away brows.gif
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I sincerely dont believe Newcastle will be consistent all the way. At some points they will be having droughts. My worry is Tottenham. They are much much more stable than us sometimes.

1/2/3 - MC or MU or Chelsea. 4th - Tottenham or Liverpool.

So I hope the Europa league will tired them out and Liverpool dont have euro should be much more fitter and consistent.
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ok finally able to post my tots on the match. was really hoping for a win as yday(sunday) was a special day for me. looking at the line-up was puzzled to see big andy on the bench after his goal in the derby and manu's line up was pretty defensive. understandable and hats off to SAF if u ask me. he came with a plan n got away win a point when for the past 3 seasons, he came away with zero. he has park(a defensive winger) instead of nani to counter enrique. fletcher and jones to frustrate our midfield and welbeck who is pretty quick against a defensive pairing not known for its pace(carra and skrtel).

hence the first half was pretty slow with both teams not creating much. if u realise, our defensive line were pretty deep, main due to the pace of welbeck and young. gerrard imo, apart from his goal, i think he isnt influencing the game much due to the lack of space, with adam around and lucas in the dm role.. we all know adam plays pretty deep due to his passing ability. i trust kenny will come to a solution soon. whether we will stick with a lone man up front or bring back andy, we shall know next week.

so for those who said SAF was scared/cautious, no. its all tactical. he brought on hernandez rooney and nani and went 4-4-2. yes they got their goal. but in 10 mins, we fashioned out 3 great chances (hendo 2, and kuyt 1) and de gea was brilliant (imo expected tho as i've watched him back in la liga and the u-21 euros), he has the quality to be a solid one tho i hope it wont happen tongue.gif of the 3 chances was really upset with the header by hendo, it was a free header, was so gutted, and the kuyt shot which would have gone in has it be another 10inches away from the keeper.

now. newcastle has really caught my eye. with spurs finally finding their feet and yet still able to draw 2-2. they have been on form. arsenal still yet to convince me, and tho i feel for them, i hope they dont find their rhythm as i really want us back in the top4 ! for now, it looks like spurs and us. with arsenal lingering and prolly newcastle the underdogs. hope we will nick it tho still a long way till next may.

up next norwich, we've known to pulling our socks up when playing against so called 'bigger' opponents like the big 4 or 6 now as they say. against 'lesser' teams like these, are what really matters when it comes to the title/ top4.

finally, was pretty upset with the goal. a lapse in concentration with both carra and skrtel losing their man.. to be honest, i really envy manu having hernandez. he was easily the buy of last season, and he's showing its no one season wonder. no wonder even jose wants him in madrid and he just got a new 5 year contract. reminds me of owen when i first started watching football albeit better in the air.
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QUOTE(daryl23 @ Oct 17 2011, 01:44 AM)
ok finally able to post my tots on the match. was really hoping for a win as yday(sunday) was a special day for me. looking at the line-up was puzzled to see big andy on the bench after his goal in the derby and manu's line up was pretty defensive. understandable and hats off to SAF if u ask me. he came with a plan n got away win a point when for the past 3 seasons, he came away with zero. he has park(a defensive winger) instead of nani to counter enrique. fletcher and jones to frustrate our midfield and welbeck who is pretty quick against a defensive pairing not known for its pace(carra and skrtel).

hence the first half was pretty slow with both teams not creating much. if u realise, our defensive line were pretty deep, main due to the pace of welbeck and young. gerrard imo, apart from his goal, i think he isnt influencing the game much due to the lack of space, with adam around and lucas in the dm role.. we all know adam plays pretty deep due to his passing ability. i trust kenny will come to a solution soon. whether we will stick with a lone man up front or bring back andy, we shall know next week.

so for those who said SAF was scared/cautious, no. its all tactical. he brought on hernandez rooney and nani and went 4-4-2. yes they got their goal. but in 10 mins, we fashioned out 3 great chances (hendo 2, and kuyt 1) and de gea was brilliant (imo expected tho as i've watched him back in la liga and the u-21 euros), he has the quality to be a solid one tho i hope it wont happen  tongue.gif of the 3 chances was really upset with the header by hendo, it was a free header, was so gutted, and the kuyt shot which would have gone in has it be another 10inches away from the keeper.

now. newcastle has really caught my eye. with spurs finally finding their feet and yet still able to draw 2-2. they have been on form. arsenal still yet to convince me, and tho i feel for them, i hope they dont find their rhythm as i really want us back in the top4 ! for now, it looks like spurs and us. with arsenal lingering and prolly newcastle the underdogs. hope we will nick it tho still a long way till next may.

up next norwich, we've known to pulling our socks up when playing against so called 'bigger' opponents like the big 4 or 6 now as they say. against 'lesser' teams like these, are what really matters when it comes to the title/ top4.

finally, was pretty upset with the goal. a lapse in concentration with both carra and skrtel losing their man.. to be honest, i really envy manu having hernandez. he was easily the buy of last season, and he's showing its no one season wonder. no wonder even jose wants him in madrid and he just got a new 5 year contract. reminds me of owen when i first started watching football albeit better in the air.
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Want to win Man Utd???

Not so easy!!!! tongue.gif
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So tempted to play grammar nazi...

But have decided to write an official 'show-cause' letter to KD instead. What on bloody earth was he thinking? A draw against United? Blah. Unacceptable!

Liverpool v Man Utd at Anfield was supposed to be our 'point-bank', guaranteed 3 points in the bag! What happened? Bleh! Unacceptable!!!

Sack KD!!!!! vmad.gif mad.gif vmad.gif mad.gif vmad.gif whistling.gif


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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 16 2011, 11:05 PM)
A win but full with injuries is not really a win, IMO.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice something for the greater good. That's what I think. Fergie might be applying that.

Seeing City pushing other teams around surely gets to his head. After all, local rivalry counts more. Furthermore, I don't think he would like to give any sort of chance to City to win the league.
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I must say I was surprised when I saw your starting lineup. I can understand the need to rest players every now and then and although I agree we aren't exactly contenders for the title, it is still rare for managers to rest players in derbies of this magnitude. Fergie himself mentioned how much importance this tie holds prior to the game. It's also the first time I can remember him selecting such a cautious lineup in your visits to Anfield.

I'm still sticking to my Michael Moores theory that it was partly due to mind games from Kenny and Rafa. The former saying it was just another 3 points and the latter claiming you keep winning because of money smile.gif I don't agree but if you're playing mind games, you don't always mean what you say.

Oh well. Que sera sera.
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I seriously cant comprehend the stupidity of fans of other teams who come here to troll/flame and cant give any constructive comments on ANYTHING.

MamulaMoon: you do know that for the past 3 seasons LFC have beaten MU at Anfield and need I remind you of the 4-1 trashing at OT?

and to those 'other' fans who's taking a snipe at Duke, use the freaking PM function or otherwise grow up and stop whining like a stupid effing illeterate child.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 17 2011, 08:47 AM)
I seriously cant comprehend the stupidity of fans of other teams who come here to troll/flame and cant give any constructive comments on ANYTHING.

MamulaMoon: you do know that for the past 3 seasons LFC have beaten MU at Anfield and need I remind you of the 4-1 trashing at OT?

and to those 'other' fans who's taking a snipe at Duke, use the freaking PM function or otherwise grow up and stop whining like a stupid effing illeterate child.
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Mamulamoon probably another fanboy of United hopped from another club. Doesn't seem to know the fact that United have not won at Anfield for the past 3 seasons, and of course the 1-4 at OT. I completely agree with you , with some retards posting for no reason and non-constructive-grown-up comments.. keyboard warriors bro..have to live with it..and they do..we don't

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chances we can create, but if we dont take them, it will come back to haunt us. again we have to ask after evaluating the season so far. how many match winners that we really do have. how many players that we can sub on and make the opposition worry.

unfortunately in a season without any european distractions, we look like challenging for top 4 rather than the title. as for now, we dont look like title contenders. just being realistic
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QUOTE(Petre @ Oct 17 2011, 09:31 AM)
chances we can create, but if we dont take them, it will come back to haunt us. again we have to ask after evaluating the season so far. how many match winners that we really do have. how many players that we can sub on and make the opposition worry.

unfortunately in a season without any european distractions, we look like challenging for top 4 rather than the title. as for now, we dont look like title contenders. just being realistic
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yeah. if i remember correctly john henry already stated that he does not expect any title this season but UCL spot is a priority. he is well aware that our squad is still rather thin to challenge the likes of both manc sides and chelsea for the league title.

i do agree our squad is still not completed. we already sorted out the left side. the middle is well taken care of for now. the rest of the area still not completed imho. a couple quality additions needed to really challenge for the top.

any reds expecting league title this season is expecting too much id say.. FA and mickey mouse cup on the other hand, is ours to lose.


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We played well but I don't see any firepower from the team other than the likes of Suarez and Gerrard. Henderson was a real attacking threat in the closing minutes. Really hoping Henderson would be the next Gerrard, I see potential in him.
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We have not been title contenders for a long long time. This season is no different... We are no where near the likes of the top 3, maybe even slightly weaker than Spurs.

Europe (or top 4 finish) is a real target and our main priority. we still need to work out our strike force. Suarez cant play alone. Carroll needs to realize his potential. Bellamy needs to readapt.
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I think Bellamy should be given a chance to play alongside Suarez, this two loves to link up plays. Plus, Bellamy is fast and he is what we need, a clinical finisher.
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With the big match has ended over the weekend, lets look forward for another performing match against the newcomers , Norwich City on Sunday morning (Saturday 17:30 GMT).

Need to improve? We need a lethargic start, sloppy passes has to be improved into accurate passes. Although we played confident game over the weekend, we need more energetic start. I understand the international games has caused the problem, but it should not be an excuses all the time.

Where's the free-flow-move passing gone?, we need to improve on the free-flow-pass-and-move back into the game. The lack of incisive movement played an equally important role in the lack of forward passes, there were no barnstorming runs from the center of the park, and no razor-sharp vision to find the diagonal balls to the wings. The key for Kenny Dalglish and his coaching team now is to help our side unlock a stifling midfield.

Defensive Errors? Yes, it was an overall solid defensive performance. Yes, our defenders and midfielders restricted United to just two shots on target all afternoon. Skrtel has failed to mark his man towards the run to the equalizer. We've only kept 2 clean sheet thus far, this needs addressing.

Chances created & converted? Game after game, the frustration isn't as much about the chances we create, but the lack of finishing ability to convert them. KD should have opted to bring in Bellamy as he has the finishing ability which would be able to kill off the United game. Unfortunately, we couldn't see the reason why KD has not brought him in even for 5 mins.

Reliance on Suarez is a biggest mistake, as we need to improve as a team play rather than a one-man-show. The frustration of unable to convert chances into goal could bring him lot more pressure and to raise his tempers , as we know how good he is at it. The positive thing here is , the Captain is back with a bang. That was a top notch free kick. His typical way of scoring freekick , where we could have seen all the thunder bolt shots in his young days, this is top CLASS ! and he is capable of scoring important goals.

Full backs performance was top notch on Saturday and we defended well for the entire game, until the 80th min. Kelly , Carra, Enrique in particular played their part. Well done!. Skrtel, you need more lesson from Carra / Kelly / Enrique. I hope Coates gets his games soon. Resurgence as a team was on the card, we have shown that we can beat anyone if we all the above improved.

Well done ! Looking forward for Norwich City's visit this weekend.

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On a lighter note, WILL has finally opened! Time to relive Istanbul again.

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On a lighter note, WILL has finally opened! Time to relive Istanbul again.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverp...00252-29606197/?
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I've searched local cinema listing, it has not been listed? Or its just me?
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I've searched local cinema listing, it has not been listed? Or its just me?
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Gonna catch Will if it shows. Would be great to see the aspiration of a kid living and seeing Istanbul for his father's last dream.

And I've also been following the Suarez - Evra ordeal.

So far according to the main medias like Skysport and the rest, there has been no conclusive or factual evidence of the racial slur/abuse from Suarez. Considering the serial-racist remark victim has accused Suarez of using the "N" word for around 10 times, it's hard to believe no camera caught it especially when most cameras are trained towards Suarez almost at every turn. So in short, it's either a Jim Carrey's Liar Liar or George Lucas's Revenge of the Phantom Menace at play here. LOL biggrin.gif
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Chances created & converted? Game after game, the frustration isn't as much about the chances we create, but the lack of finishing ability to convert them. KD should have opted to bring in Bellamy as he has the finishing ability which would be able to kill off the United game. Unfortunately, we couldn't see the reason why KD has not brought him in even for 5 mins.


I too would have liked to seen Bellamy come on but we had to be careful not to throw caution to the wind given that Fergie had brought on Rooney and Lil Pea, although the former was almost a defensive midfielder. The question would have been who to take off? Downing, Kuyt and Suarez were playing well and Kuyt almost scored from a pinpoint cross courtesy of Downing. Bellamy isn't as defensively sound as Kuyt which makes Suarez the obvious choice to be replaced but I think everyone would agree he had to stay on.

Thing is I feel we still had to give them mancs some respect knowing very well that they are more than capable of scoring late goals, hence the apprehension to bring on anymore attacking minded players.

QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 17 2011, 12:12 PM)
Reliance on Suarez is a biggest mistake, as we need to improve as a team play rather than a one-man-show. The frustration of unable to convert chances into goal could bring him lot more pressure and to raise his tempers , as we know how good he is at it. The positive thing here is , the Captain is back with a bang. That was a top notch free kick. His typical way of scoring freekick , where we could have seen all the thunder bolt shots in his young days, this is top CLASS ! and he is capable of scoring important goals.


It's a conundrum really. Prior to Suarez, we relied heavily on Stevie and Torres but it almost can't be helped. If you have your best players on the pitch, why wouldn't you give them the ball as often as possible? Stevie in particular almost demands for the ball each time he's free. I agree however that it's a matter of concern we look so different without Suarez on the pitch.


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Let's look beyond our next game for awhile. In fact let's look to our last 10 games of the season. With the exception of Chelsea and possibly Villa, we are up against mid to lower table sides. One can argue that relegation battlers in particular will be playing harder to stay in the Premiership but one could also argue that we'll be potentially fighting for a top four finish. If we can keep pace until March/April, we stand a decent chance. If we do get far in the FA Cup, it means we won't necessarily have to rest players with supposed, 'easier' games during the tail end of the season.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 17 2011, 01:58 PM)
I too would have liked to seen Bellamy come on but we had to be careful not to throw caution to the wind given that Fergie had brought on Rooney and Lil Pea, although the former was almost a defensive midfielder. The question would have been who to take off? Downing, Kuyt and Suarez were playing well and Kuyt almost scored from a pinpoint cross courtesy of Downing. Bellamy isn't as defensively sound as Kuyt which makes Suarez the obvious choice to be replaced but I think everyone would agree he had to stay on.

Thing is I feel we still had to give them mancs some respect knowing very well that they are more than capable of scoring late goals, hence the apprehension to bring on anymore attacking minded players.
It's a conundrum really. Prior to Suarez, we relied heavily on Stevie and Torres but it almost can't be helped. If you have your best players on the pitch, why wouldn't you give them the ball as often as possible? Stevie in particular almost demands for the ball each time he's free. I agree however that it's a matter of concern we look so different without Suarez on the pitch.
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Downing in particular had good game. If 3 points was the ultimate target, instead of Hendo, KD could have replaced Lucas with Bellamy, adding quicker movement from Suarez and Bellamy. Anyway, we don't know what KD had in mind but he got it right to play the right players at their own territorial position

Looking forward for "Will" and Norwich this weekend.
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Downing in particular had good game. If 3 points was the ultimate target, instead of Hendo, KD could have replaced Lucas with Bellamy, adding quicker movement from Suarez and Bellamy. Anyway, we don't know what KD had in mind but he got it right to play the right players at their own territorial position

Looking forward for "Will" and Norwich this weekend.
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Downing has looked like a decent buy so far. I mean he's hit the post, he's put some crosses in and he's gone off on penetrating runs. The stats however, tell a different story. I read somewhere (can't remember the source at the moment) that he has zero assists thus far.
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Downing has looked like a decent buy so far. I mean he's hit the post, he's put some crosses in and he's gone off on penetrating runs. The stats however, tell a different story. I read somewhere (can't remember the source at the moment) that he has zero assists thus far.
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He will get into the stats sooner. Not far away from getting his assists and goals. He was almost, against Bolton. He ballooned a shot against United, that sums up that he's not far away from registering his goals in BPL. I could still see neighbors still moaning on Suarez & Evra's row.
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He will get into the stats sooner. Not far away from getting his assists and goals. He was almost, against Bolton. He ballooned a shot against United, that sums up that he's not far away from registering his goals in BPL. I could still see neighbors still moaning on Suarez & Evra's row.
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It's probably because they've decided that Suarez is guilty.Don't know, don't visit anymore. It'll end if it's found he isn't. I think we should discuss every aspect of the club, negative and positive.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 17 2011, 03:48 PM)
It's probably because they've decided that Suarez is guilty.Don't know, don't visit anymore. It'll end if it's found he isn't. I think we should discuss every aspect of the club, negative and positive.
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Just had a glance, not bothered to read ill-timed-retards comments. Immature to be honest. That's aside.
Agree, we should only speak about what's our progress
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here's something from Liverpool Daily:

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JOHN HENRY admits he was won round by Kenny Dalglish after initially wanting to appoint a younger manager in the Liverpool FC hotseat.

Tomorrow will mark the anniversary of Fenway Sports Group’s protracted £300million LFC takeover that banished Tom Hicks and George Gillett from the club.



One of Henry’s first decisions as principal owner was to install Dalglish in place of deposed manager Roy Hodgson on a temporary basis in January until the end of last season.

Liverpool subsequently tracked a clutch of up-and-coming names in their search for a permanent successor, a shortlist which included current Chelsea manager Andre Villas-Boas.

But while having harboured reservations employing someone who hadn’t been in the hotseat for more than a decade, Henry admits Dalglish soon provided a compelling case for his appointment.


Asked if the blueprint was to install a younger manager, Henry said: “Initially it was. You want to have long-term stability in as much as the staff as possible.

“I had been talking with Kenny about philosophy and initially he was brought aboard just for the remainder of last season. But it became obvious that he was the right man to lead the club.

“Kenny is certainly charismatic and beloved by the fans. I wasn’t convinced when we arrived that Kenny should be back managing and I wanted things to work with the manager we inherited.

“But the fans knew much more than I did. It took me a while to get up to speed.”

Henry added: “Damien (Comolli) was a gamble. Kenny was a gamble. But they were both calculated gambles.

“We didn’t feel we had a lot of time to wait, and we hope things turned around.”


Having been handed more than £100m to spend on new players, Dalglish has helped transform Liverpool from relegation strugglers last October to launching a realistic challenge for Champions League qualification this season.

And asked if he was happy with the progress of the club during the past 12 months, Henry said: “Yes, overall. But there is still a lot of work to be done.

“By the time we made the purchase we were aware of a lot of bad contracts and the fact that it could take years to get the club back where it needed to be.”

While the recovery has been impressively swift, Henry accepts it will take time to overhaul bitter North West rivals Manchester United, who visit Anfield tomorrow.

“We are still a long way behind them,” he said. “They were well set-up going into this year and then were able to insert great, young players. Mr Ferguson is a genius.”


Central to closing the gap, at least financially, on the Old Trafford outfit is a new stadium.

But Henry, who insists there has not been a moment when FSG have regretted their decision to buy the club, believes that alone would not be enough.

“It is not the full solution,” he said. “Barcelona and Real Madrid are dominant clubs because they are able to maximise all aspects of the revenue generation.

“We have to try to do that as well. It’s certainly an important component.”

One of those avenues could be individual overseas television rights, a move Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre controversially suggested earlier this week.

Ayre also hinted there remained a possibility of refurbishing their current Anfield home by increasing capacity to up to 65,000.

However, Henry said: “More and more it appears that expanding Anfield is problematical.

“New stadiums are very expensive – particularly one large enough to cause you to tear down a 45,000 stadium. Our hope was to refurbish and expand Anfield. But that may not be possible.”

And Henry, who also confirmed the club’s debt has not grown as a result of Liverpool’s heavy transfer spending, was succinct when asked if he was concerned about the £1bn damages claim Hicks and Gillett continue to pursue.

“No,” said Liverpool’s principal owner.
If you ask me be daring, I'll dare say below "You'll Never Walk Alone" we ought to have the words "Keep the Faith" below the crest.


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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Oct 17 2011, 10:16 AM)
We played well but I don't see any firepower from the team other than the likes of Suarez and Gerrard. Henderson was a real attacking threat in the closing minutes. Really hoping Henderson would be the next Gerrard, I see potential in him.
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Indeed. IMO, we need more creative midfield-ers at the moment. Saw Benayoun played for Arsenal yesterday and I began to wonder why Liverpool let him go. A shame, really. Same with Aqualani. Please KD, take Aqualani back from Milan!

As for the rest of the squad, we really need Agger and Coates to be fit and ready to play before the January transfer starts. Skrtel can defend but he is most of the times, vulnerable.

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Jones said Adam dive, Evra accused Suarez being racist...Ferguson said Suarez dive all over the place... now, excuse after excuse...
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Sigh... lets kick racism out of football... mad.gif

Justice for Evra, Suarez should be handed 3 matches ban or so... mad.gif
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yea , and I can make a police report and say you rape someone daugther...police come and put you in jail for 30 years based on my report. Wait for the investigation and let the judge to decide , not us supporter .If suarez if proven guilty , I dont think anyone here will back him up , personally I think Fa and the club should fine and ban him for few matches. Till proven is guilty , Suarez has the fan backing and support him.
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Oct 17 2011, 07:42 PM)
Sigh... lets kick racism out of football... mad.gif

Justice for Evra, Suarez should be handed 3 matches ban or so... mad.gif
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hah! as much as I hate racism, i dare bet that Suarez isn't racist. My 2 cents? Evra's making up stories again.
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racist?i dun really think so

it just two players with different skin colour having a little fight.

but let fa judge it
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QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 17 2011, 06:49 PM)
yea , and I can make a police report and say you rape someone daugther...police come and put you in jail for 30 years based on my report. Wait for the investigation and let the judge to decide , not us supporter .If suarez if proven guilty , I dont think anyone here will back him up , personally I think Fa and the club should fine and ban him for few matches. Till proven is guilty , Suarez has the fan backing and support him.
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QUOTE(MamulaMoon @ Oct 17 2011, 06:42 PM)
Sigh... lets kick racism out of football... mad.gif

Justice for Evra, Suarez should be handed 3 matches ban or so... mad.gif
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or kick womaniser out of football u suggest???
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i dunno if anyone really surfs the lfc.tv site throughly...but any fan old or new has to go thru all these pages and learn the history.
there are alot of pages in there, someone should print them out and bind them biggrin.gif
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comeon lads cut the team some slack they played like champions.
anyway is astro showing the friendly against rangers? cant wait for Will's movie torrents. YNWA lads!!!

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Jones said Adam dive, Evra accused Suarez being racist...Ferguson said Suarez dive all over the place... now, excuse after excuse...
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wtf is jones opening his mouth?
ferdinand was the one who commited the foul on adams.

now should the FA find suarez innocent...i bet that a lawsuit by LFC against evra will happen.
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kinda tells you quite a bit when the whole club is quiet following the "victim's" allegation. if it was indeed that severe, wouldn't it have been brought to arms from the whole club?

not having the evidence is already bad enough and with the possibility of getting his "victimised butthole" sued, that's a bigger problem. in short innocent until proven beyond reasonable doubt because the allegations are akin to manslaughter to many in the BPL smile.gif
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I don't understand why United fans can't stop commenting whenever they play us !

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I must say I was surprised when I saw your starting lineup. I can understand the need to rest players every now and then and although I agree we aren't exactly contenders for the title, it is still rare for managers to rest players in derbies of this magnitude. Fergie himself mentioned how much importance this tie holds prior to the game. It's also the first time I can remember him selecting such a cautious lineup in your visits to Anfield.

I'm still sticking to my Michael Moores theory that it was partly due to mind games from Kenny and Rafa. The former saying it was just another 3 points and the latter claiming you keep winning because of money smile.gif I don't agree but if you're playing mind games, you don't always mean what you say.

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Mind games? Nope. Not at all. Seeing our record against your team in Anfield were pretty much poor, I do think Fergie rather have a point than no point at all. Thus, he went for the safest route he knows. Resting main players and rotated the squad.

QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Oct 17 2011, 12:12 PM)
With the big match has ended over the weekend, lets look forward for another performing match against the newcomers , Norwich City on Sunday morning (Saturday 17:30 GMT).

Need to improve? We need a lethargic start, sloppy passes has to be improved into accurate passes. Although we played confident game over the weekend, we need more energetic start. I understand the international games has caused the problem, but it should not be an excuses all the time.

Where's the free-flow-move passing gone?, we need to improve on the free-flow-pass-and-move back into the game. The lack of incisive movement played an equally important role in the lack of forward passes, there were no barnstorming runs from the center of the park, and no razor-sharp vision to find the diagonal balls to the wings. The key for Kenny Dalglish and his coaching team now is to help our side unlock a stifling midfield.

Defensive Errors? Yes, it was an overall solid defensive performance. Yes, our defenders and midfielders restricted United to just two shots on target all afternoon. Skrtel has failed to mark his man towards the run to the equalizer. We've only kept 2 clean sheet thus far, this needs addressing.

Chances created & converted? Game after game, the frustration isn't as much about the chances we create, but the lack of finishing ability to convert them. KD should have opted to bring in Bellamy as he has the finishing ability which would be able to kill off the United game. Unfortunately, we couldn't see the reason why KD has not brought him in even for 5 mins.

Reliance on Suarez is a biggest mistake, as we need to improve as a team play rather than a one-man-show. The frustration of unable to convert chances into goal could bring him lot more pressure and to raise his tempers , as we know how good he is at it. The positive thing here is , the Captain is back with a bang. That was a top notch free kick. His typical way of scoring freekick , where we could have seen all the thunder bolt shots in his young days, this is top CLASS ! and he is capable of scoring important goals.

Full backs performance was top notch on Saturday and we defended well for the entire game, until the 80th min. Kelly , Carra, Enrique in particular played their part. Well done!. Skrtel, you need more lesson from Carra / Kelly / Enrique. I hope Coates gets his games soon. Resurgence as a team was on the card, we have shown that we can beat anyone if we all the above improved.

Well done ! Looking forward for Norwich City's visit this weekend.

YNWA !
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I couldn't understand why people are blaming Skrtel for Hernandez's goal. For all we know, Hernandez is even troublesome to Mr. Captain, Leader & Legend John Terry. IMO, Vidic himself might be having problems with Hernandez.

Goodness, there are sour grapes whenever things doesn't go one's way. That's part and parcel of the game. And again, IMO, Benitez is more of a sour grape when he claimed that Fergie won the league by spending a lot.

Just to add a few 'notes'.

Regarding that Suarez-Evra incident, just let the FA investigate first. It is either one of them is wrong. Before anyone saying anything about Evra, Suarez himself is not really a saint. Please read don't retaliate because it's quite pointless and the debate will go on and on and on.

1. Even the linesman saw fit to disrespect Liverpool by disallowing an offside goal scored by Luis Suarez, who was carded himself for repeatedly calling the assistant a filthy Spanish word. With Liverpool down to nine it was time for cool heads, so Suarez was hauled off and on came that paragon of virtue Craig Bellamy.

2. Suarez also insisted he "respects everybody". Why don't we ask Otman Bakkal, or the entire nation of Ghana?

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Sigh... lets kick racism out of football..

Justice for Evra, Suarez should be handed 3 matches ban or so..
What's your problem you...err...Let the FA decide it whether to ban him or to call off the allegations.
If Suarez had made the racism remarks, as a fan i would like to see him getting punished.

If FA proves he's not guilty, can you stop making your sickening-immature-ill-timed-childish-retarded comments here and you can do anything you want on your Champions thread. Learn from others!

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"Some" people coming out with the stats of De Gea saved this and that shots, did he actually saved this from Captain Fantastic? Watch it !



Probably the man who was suppose to be blocking the shot was giving away to protect his ****!

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I couldn't understand why people are blaming Skrtel for Hernandez's goal. For all we know, Hernandez is even troublesome to Mr. Captain, Leader & Legend John Terry. IMO, Vidic himself might be having problems with Hernandez.


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Why cant we blame Skrtel for the goal if he lost his man?
No doubt Hernandez is fast and pacey (ala fox in the box), but Skrtel is also to blame for not keeping tabs on the person he was supposed to mark.

Chill, we're not taking credit away from your Golden Child, we're merely stating that Skrtel should have done better. Is that not correct? No one is a sour grape here. Facts are facts.

Time and time again Liverpool concede because of poor marking in the box (eg. Larsson's goal), especially during the days when we opted for Zonal instead of man-marking.
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I don't understand why United fans can't stop commenting whenever they play us !
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This is because most MU fan supported MU because they think MU always win. This type of fan don't understand football and will support any team which is strong and always win (if MU failed to win trophy for 5 years or more they will support other team which is winning the trophy). So when MU failed to win they can't accept the reality. They will start to complain this and that or accuse this and that to find excuse and to escape from the reality that MU failed to win.
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I don't understand why United fans can't stop commenting whenever they play us !
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It's because they cant live without us. We have love-hate relationship. Imagine if Liverpool pull out of Premier League, the fans that will miss us the most is Man Utd. Dont be surprise. They may even stop watching Premier League just because it's not fun anymore.
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"Some" people coming out with the stats of De Gea saved this and that shots, did he actually saved this from Captain Fantastic? Watch it !



Probably the man who was suppose to be blocking the shot was giving away to protect his ****!
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Why cant we blame Skrtel for the goal if he lost his man?
No doubt Hernandez is fast and pacey (ala fox in the box), but Skrtel is also to blame for not keeping tabs on the person he was supposed to mark.

Chill, we're not taking credit away from your Golden Child, we're merely stating that Skrtel should have done better. Is that not correct? No one is a sour grape here. Facts are facts.

Time and time again Liverpool concede because of poor marking in the box (eg. Larsson's goal), especially during the days when we opted for Zonal instead of man-marking.
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skrtel was solid throughout the game. hernandez goal was his only fault which destroy all his good work that afternoon. but then again carra should clear the ball first. its not easy to mark your man in that situation.

we've been shite in defending set pieces for a long time i hope it will change soon.


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The ability to keep a clean sheet is worrysome.
Since the season start, only 2 clean sheet achieved, and out of the 2 clean sheet, opponent was playing with 10 men.
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clean sheets? bah, the team needs to also start scoring more goals.
if u look at the defensive record, both home and away, its actually pretty ok.
but then looking at the goals scored, 11 goals...in 8 games...with the away scoring form being pretty pathetic.
looking at the other teams above us, and ignoring the fact that newcastle are also above us and who will probably dissapear down the table after xmas...say chelsea, who btw have only 1 clean sheet, yet have scored 20 goals...dont need to even talk about man city...
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Mind games? Nope. Not at all. Seeing our record against your team in Anfield were pretty much poor, I do think Fergie rather have a point than no point at all. Thus, he went for the safest route he knows. Resting main players and rotated the squad.
I couldn't understand why people are blaming Skrtel for Hernandez's goal. For all we know, Hernandez is even troublesome to Mr. Captain, Leader & Legend John Terry. IMO, Vidic himself might be having problems with Hernandez.

Goodness, there are sour grapes whenever things doesn't go one's way. That's part and parcel of the game. And again, IMO, Benitez is more of a sour grape when he claimed that Fergie won the league by spending a lot.

Just to add a few 'notes'.

Regarding that Suarez-Evra incident, just let the FA investigate first. It is either one of them is wrong. Before anyone saying anything about Evra, Suarez himself is not really a saint. Please read don't retaliate because it's quite pointless and the debate will go on and on and on.

1. Even the linesman saw fit to disrespect Liverpool by disallowing an offside goal scored by Luis Suarez, who was carded himself for repeatedly calling the assistant a filthy Spanish word. With Liverpool down to nine it was time for cool heads, so Suarez was hauled off and on came that paragon of virtue Craig Bellamy.

2. Suarez also insisted he "respects everybody". Why don't we ask Otman Bakkal, or the entire nation of Ghana?
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The same thing applies to your players, complaining after the match about us diving and saying the word n***er. If the referee actually knew about Suarez saying that word, wouldn't he be yellow carded? Correct me if I'm wrong

This incident isn't exactly new to Evra as well, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...dge-battle.html
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The same thing applies to your players, complaining after the match about us diving and saying the word n***er. If the referee actually knew about Suarez saying that word, wouldn't he be yellow carded? Correct me if I'm wrong

This incident isn't exactly new to Evra as well, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...dge-battle.html
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Football can do a lot of things. It can turn completely stable people into emotional wrecks, it can play with our emotions like nothing else, save perhaps a member of the opposite sex. In short, it’s a very powerful thing. One thing it should not do, however, is to change our perspective. Not footballing perspective, of course you should feel free to argue that your team is better than my team, your fans are louder than my fans, your grass is greener than our grass. But our general perspective, such as the ability to analyse a serious claim, should be unmoved by which football team we hope scores more goals than the other.

On Saturday, Patrice Evra of Manchester United accused Luis Suarez of Liverpool of making racist remarks towards him. Unfortunately, though the ‘of”s in the previous sentence should not be of importance, they have been made so. It has become about football. This is not an incident about football. It took place on a football pitch, between two men wearing football shirts, but it’s not about football. To bastardise a famous Bill Shankly quote, it’s much more important than that.

Immediately after the allegations were made, a lot of people reacted based on which team they supported. United fans were quick to label Suarez a racist, with certainty, whilst Liverpool fans accused Evra of lying, also with certainty.

The latter however, took a somewhat more sinister form. Liverpool fans, and employees, claimed Evra had a history of playing the ‘race card’. For those who don’t know, the race card refers to exploitation of racist attitudes to gain a personal advantage, typically by falsely accusing others of racism against oneself. In essence, they were saying Evra had in the past lied about being targeted by racial abuse. A very serious claim, I’m sure you’ll agree. It stands to reason that if it is a serious thing to claim racist abuse, it is also a serious thing to claim someone has lied about claiming racial abuse.

Liverpool’s official website columnist, Kristian Walsh, claimed on Twitter that “Patrice Evra has accused racism of three players before today. All three have been cleared.” This tweet was retweeted by hundreds of Liverpool fans, as were similar ones. The problem was, that it wasn’t remotely true, not one bit.

In fact, before Saturday, Evra had accused zero people of racism, not the three quoted by Mr. Walsh and dozens of other Liverpool fans, not two, nor even one. There have been two incidents involving Evra and accusations of racial insults, the only problem is that Evra did not claim in either that he was racially abused – the claims came from others.

In the 2006 case of claimed racial abuse by Steve Finnan, the accusation was levelled at Finnan by a deaf fan who claimed he lip-read the racial slur. Evra declined to complain. A rather odd thing to do for a man with a supposed inclination to play the race card, I’m sure you’ll agree.

In the case with involving Chelsea groundsman, Tony Bethell, it was Mike Phelan and Richard Hartis of Manchester United’s coaching staff who claimed they heard the abuse. As the FA report says “The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis.” It later goes on to say “Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day, it is notable that there were several other people far nearer to Mr Bethell at the critical point in time than were either Mr Phelan or Mr Hartis.”

So in reality, Evra accused neither Finnan nor Bethell of a racist remark. The claims were done by others. These are the cold, hard facts.

Liverpool is a club that has been hit hard by lies in the past, namely by the despicable Kelvin Mackenzie and the Sun. One might therefore assume that their fans would be careful to ensure that they themselves endeavor to have the full facts of any case emerge. Of course, accusations of racism against Luis Suarez and accusations of the actions of fans on a day where 96 people died are on different scales, however the principle should remain. If in one instance you abhor lies being told where an accusation is made, you should probably endeavor not do so yourself in another instance.

As I touched on earlier, Manchester United fans who have assumed Suarez’s guilt are also worthy of scorn. Just as a lot of Liverpool fans would have reacted differently if Glen Johnson had accused Nemanja Vidic of racist remarks, so too would a lot United fans. Perhaps even incidents involving Johnson and “playing the race card” would have been fabricated.

“Innocent until proven guilty” should not be a changeable stance. If that’s your belief, it’s your belief. It should not be changed because of which football team you prefer. Of course, just as important as “innocent until proven guilty” is that the lack of a guilty verdict does not necessarily mean innocence. In the 1998 adaption of the old play “12 Angry Men”, a juror slowly and painstakingly convinces his fellow jurors not to convict a seemingly guilty man. In the aftermath of the case, he is asked who he believed committed the murder. He replies, to the amazement of the queror, that he thinks it was probably the man he just convinced everyone to acquit.

If, which seems likely, there is found to be not enough evidence, or none, to prove Suarez made racist remarks, inevitably people will assume that Evra was lying. But surely if your initial requirement to the claims that Suarez was racist was “prove it”, the same logic should be applied to the claims that Evra was lying? A lack of proof does not mean an incident has not happened, it simply means it cannot be proven to have happened. As dangerous as it is to assume Suarez is guilty, it is equally as dangerous to conclude Evra is lying if it cannot be proven. It is for this reason that Liverpool as a club have been irresponsible if they have, as has been reported, called for a ban for Evra if the allegations can’t be proven.

The instant reaction of “he’s lying” to an accusation of racism is not only foolish, but dangerous. Chris Kamara has stated that he was frequently racially abused on the football pitch, but would not report it, as it would be impossible to prove and therefore he would not be believed. The 1999 Macpherson Report in Britain concluded that “There is a fear that when people do report incidents [of racism] they won’t be believed or it won’t be taken seriously”. It is therefore safe to assume that the reaction of people to a claim of racist abuse is quite important, and not merely footballing banter. We are talking about something that can have a severe knock-on effect for other people.

Football is a wonderful thing, but can also be a dangerous thing. When we as football fans are switching our moral views, assuming guilt or fabricating incidents based on the shirt a man is wearing, we have gone too far. We cannot and must not lose perspective because of it. As ridiculous as it is for a man who didn’t have another care in the world on Saturday at 12.45, it is only a game.


So, my suggestion is to keep our trap shut before the verdict is out. Like I've said, there's no point in arguing right left and centre.

And I did mention regarding sourgrapes earlier, didn't I? There are always sourgrapes after any outcome of any matches. So, why are you surprised? I thought you lots have been watching football far more longer than any other teams set of supporters? It's part and parcel of the process.

And I also pointed out, if you really want to take a look at the biggest sourgrape of all, take a look at Rafa Benitez(yeah, I know like he's a cult hero in here). But that doesn't hide the fact that he is.
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Yeah, but have any of you really like done your research(referring to Duke's method before posting)?
So, my suggestion is to keep our trap shut before the verdict is out. Like I've said, there's no point in arguing right left and centre.

And I did mention regarding sourgrapes earlier, didn't I? There are always sourgrapes after any outcome of any matches. So, why are you surprised? I thought you lots have been watching football far more longer than any other teams set of supporters? It's part and parcel of the process.

And I also pointed out, if you really want to take a look at the biggest sourgrape of all, take a look at Rafa Benitez(yeah, I know like he's a cult hero in here). But that doesn't hide the fact that he is.
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instead of writing essay here, i mean in Liverpool's thread, which is commonly sense - for Liverpool's fans, why dont u just post it in MU thread?or make a blog for it, wise man said dont put anymore gasoline in a fire, it will turn bigger LOL
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Well, I'm in for a good discussion. I simply provide my opinions with some homework. And here I thought, you lots will be more sensible group of people to discuss with as most of you claimed that United fans aren't mature enough?

Guess, I am wrong eh? Oh well.
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Well, I'm in for a good discussion. I simply provide my opinions with some homework. And here I thought, you lots will be more sensible group of people to discuss with as most of you claimed that United fans aren't mature enough?

Guess, I am wrong eh? Oh well.
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Bah, healthy discussions are a thing of the past now. There are few who can contribute a good read like this in forums. By all means, discuss away. Your point of view helps those willing to know more about football and it's history.
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sensible discussions and banter is welcome. any reasonable man would never say otherwise. carry on.

btw according to twitter, suarez mom is black. so if its then its a bit of stretch of him to be racist towards black people innit?

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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Oct 18 2011, 09:52 AM)
Bah, healthy discussions are a thing of the past now. There are few who can contribute a good read like this in forums. By all means, discuss away. Your point of view helps those willing to know more about football and it's history.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 18 2011, 06:28 AM)
Yeah, but have any of you really like done your research(referring to Duke's method before posting)?
So, my suggestion is to keep our trap shut before the verdict is out. Like I've said, there's no point in arguing right left and centre.

And I did mention regarding sourgrapes earlier, didn't I? There are always sourgrapes after any outcome of any matches. So, why are you surprised? I thought you lots have been watching football far more longer than any other teams set of supporters? It's part and parcel of the process.

And I also pointed out, if you really want to take a look at the biggest sourgrape of all, take a look at Rafa Benitez(yeah, I know like he's a cult hero in here). But that doesn't hide the fact that he is.
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not exactly surprised, it's just that you threw a jibe at us so I reckon why not throw one at you lots? P.S. I think, Fergie is a bigger sour grape tongue.gif An eye for an eye brother

As for the verdict, yeap. However, I would not be entirely surprised if Suarez were to be guilty at doing that. We all know how mean he can be whenever he's playing

oh yeah, that article, hard to find, but not exactly well published as well, believe me i have been looking all around just to find one which favours us, I guess you did that as well. But don't blame me, most articles state that Evra was the one who reported racial abuse.

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 18 2011, 08:12 AM)
Well, I'm in for a good discussion. I simply provide my opinions with some homework. And here I thought, you lots will be more sensible group of people to discuss with as most of you claimed that United fans aren't mature enough?

Guess, I am wrong eh? Oh well.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 18 2011, 06:28 AM)
Yeah, but have any of you really like done your research(referring to Duke's method before posting)?
So, my suggestion is to keep our trap shut before the verdict is out. Like I've said, there's no point in arguing right left and centre.

And I did mention regarding sourgrapes earlier, didn't I? There are always sourgrapes after any outcome of any matches. So, why are you surprised? I thought you lots have been watching football far more longer than any other teams set of supporters? It's part and parcel of the process.

And I also pointed out, if you really want to take a look at the biggest sourgrape of all, take a look at Rafa Benitez(yeah, I know like he's a cult hero in here). But that doesn't hide the fact that he is.
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Its not a 'good' discussion anymore when you make personal jibes at us (as per bolded parts), implying the negative.

So, until you can argue a good point without the need to include some sneaky jibes, you're comments aren't exactly 'healthy' discussion.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 17 2011, 08:42 PM)
Mind games? Nope. Not at all. Seeing our record against your team in Anfield were pretty much poor, I do think Fergie rather have a point than no point at all. Thus, he went for the safest route he knows. Resting main players and rotated the squad.


You do know that it was a tongue-in-cheek comment, no?

QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 17 2011, 08:42 PM)
I couldn't understand why people are blaming Skrtel for Hernandez's goal. For all we know, Hernandez is even troublesome to Mr. Captain, Leader & Legend John Terry. IMO, Vidic himself might be having problems with Hernandez.


Skrtel did lose Hernandez but that is what happens when you mark space, not players. When players move in between zones, they don't necessarily get picked up by a defender instantly. I think Skrtel was defending his zone. If he were marking a player, I doubt he would be pitted against one of the shortest on the pitch. I hate to say this but if anything Carra lost Welbeck and it was he who first glanced the ball on. It could have fallen anywhere after that.

Suarez is not saint. This isn't exactly the best kept secret in the world. However, neither is Evra but this isn't a court of precedence. We have to look at this incident in isolation and by all means, punish Suarez if the accusations are true. No player is bigger than the club. However, action should be taken against Evra if indeed the accusation are proven to be false. We can't let both of them off the hook. Someone is right and the other, wrong.

Guys, why do you even bother reading the other thread anymore if you know what's being said? I've stopped doing so a long time ago. I mean people can insult us, even me personally, but words mean nothing if no one reads them. We're all here to have a discussion, with people who know how to have a discussion, not those who throw insults around when they can't put up an argument. I only read and post in threads where we can do the former. Before the bias police arrests me, might I add that I've always advocated posting sense even in our own forum, and not resorting to one liner comments. It's a forum, not a chat room.
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Lol, read this comment on soccernet on the racism thingy:
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A mini history lesson: (because I suddenly had the urge to youtube Hillsborough and Heysel tragedies respectively)


The Heysel Tragedy


The Heysel Stadium disaster occurred on 29 May 1985 when escaping, fans were pressed against a wall in the Heysel Stadium in Brussels, Belgium, as a result of rioting before the start of the 1985 European Cup Final between Liverpool of England and Juventus of Italy. Thirty-nine Juventus fans died and 600 were injured.

Our very own tragedy:

Hillsborough



a reminder that we weren't always the good guys. And I use the term 'we' lightly because IMO we're all Liverpool Supporters, near or far.
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haiya, watch rugby more fun, no stress, wallabies kena whack, all support all blacks, hehehehehe
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haiya, watch rugby more fun, no stress, wallabies kena whack, all support all blacks, hehehehehe
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 18 2011, 01:52 PM)
A mini history lesson: (because I suddenly had the urge to youtube Hillsborough and Heysel tragedies respectively)
The Heysel Tragedy


The Heysel Stadium disaster occurred on 29 May 1985 when escaping, fans were pressed against a wall in the Heysel Stadium in Brussels, Belgium, as a result of rioting before the start of the 1985 European Cup Final between Liverpool of England and Juventus of Italy. Thirty-nine Juventus fans died and 600 were injured.

Our very own tragedy:

Hillsborough



a reminder that we weren't always the good guys. And I use the term 'we' lightly because IMO we're all Liverpool Supporters, near or far.
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We were at fault during Heysel, no doubt. Fans had been throwing projectiles at one another prior to the incident and this sparked of a violent retaliation from those in red. Nothing can justify what happened in the end as lives were lost. English teams were banned from Europe thereafter and Everton are still bitter because they would have qualified for Europe had the ban not been imposed. Not something we want to see happen again (Heysel or Everton qualifying for Europe). When we played Juventus in 2005 at Anfield, the Kop held up a mosaic that read Amicizia which means "friendship" in Italian. It was generally well received by the away fans but a small section turned their backs in protest.

As for Hillsborough, we were definitely not at fault. The police packed too many bodies into the Leppings Lane and it was a disaster waiting to happen. It's fantastic to hear that the Hillsborough documents will finally be revealed and hopefully the truth will be out and justice will be done. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...sclosed?cc=4716




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Good post by Paul Tomkins if you have the time. It's a little lengthy.

http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/10/rafa-sets-...omkins+Times%29
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 18 2011, 03:23 PM)

As for Hillsborough, we were definitely not at fault. The police packed too many bodies into the Leppings Lane and it was a disaster waiting to happen. It's fantastic to hear that the Hillsborough documents will finally be revealed and hopefully the truth will be out and justice will be done.
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i wasnt implying that we were at fault in Hillsborough, we definitely werent (reading back my post, I probably phrased by words wrongly) smile.gif
in Hillsborough the police were definitely at fault for not assuring the safety of the fans.
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post Oct 18 2011, 04:04 PM

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post Oct 18 2011, 04:11 PM

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The latest in the ongoing Suarez vs. Evra saga. http://www.cleansheetsallround.co.uk/2011/...united-defender?

Now before I go on, please don't bother to reply if you're just going to hurl insults at either player. I'm trying to look at this in more detail. The club has demanded that action be taken against Evra for defamation. Man Utd on the other hand have remained silent over the matter so far. I know Evra has spoken to Ferguson about pursuing the matter and I wonder if the club will get behind him soon. Whichever way this case goes, someone will be punished. This incident has received too much publicity and attention for it to just go away.

Character wise, you could build cases against both. Evra has been involved in similar controversies before (though only the Senegal one was a result of a direct accusation from him, and now the Suarez incident of course) but no action has been taken against any of the defendants. Suarez is no stranger to controversy either, with that controversial handball during the World Cup and having bitten an opponent before. This incident has to be taken in isolation however and all evidence should be taken into account. Past behaviour does somewhat indicate the likelyhood someone is to repeat an offence but it isn't conclusive. Just because you killed someone once, it doesn't mean you'll definitely do it again. How likely is it Suarez is racist? When he was at the 2010 World Cup, he became involved in charity work that supported solidarity. Suárez cares about social inequality and in his work he fights against religious, racial and social discrimination - wiki. Anyway the past doesn't define your future and all that's said about the two of them and what happened in the past if moot if there is clear evidence this time round.

At this point however, it seems that the only evidence is on video. Evra has said that Marriner knows what Suarez said but if this we so, he would have been sent off, and Marriner would have reported it, case closed. Not as simple it seems so perhaps Marriner didn't actually hear what was said. He heard what Evra told him. With the number of cameras covering the game, the incident would surely have been caught on video if what Evra says is accurate - that Suarez repeated the word 10 times.

Let's see what happens next.
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How sore can Ms Patricia Evra be? She's been totally 'played' by Suarez for the whole 90minutes and now her feeling is hurt. As a result, Ms Evra tries to make false accusation..
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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Oct 18 2011, 06:04 PM)
How sore can Ms Patricia Evra be? She's been totally 'played' by Suarez for the whole 90minutes and now her feeling is hurt. As a result, Ms Evra tries to make false accusation..
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Don't think it's as simple as that. From the video, it's clear Suarez said something but players do that all the time. It's a matter of whether or not it was racially motivated. Suarez is unique. He's like a colleague who you don't like but respect because he's good at his job. I don't like his on-field antics at times but then he displays a moment of brilliance and you can't help but be in awe.
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 18 2011, 12:01 PM)
Its not a 'good' discussion anymore when you make personal jibes at us (as per bolded parts), implying the negative.

So, until you can argue a good point without the need to include some sneaky jibes, you're comments aren't exactly 'healthy' discussion.
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why are you picking up points from those when seriously, the football discussion is what you should really be talking about? It's not like we go "suarez is a cheating *******" right? How does that "jibe" like u say, anyhow related to the discussion?
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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Oct 18 2011, 07:47 PM)
why are you picking up points from those when seriously, the football discussion is what you should really be talking about? It's not like we go "suarez is a cheating *******" right? How does that "jibe" like u say, anyhow related to the discussion?
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Try to read what I quoted from boxsystem again.

And try to read between the lines. What good is a discussion if it is accompanied by cheap jibes?

The comment by boxsystem could have easily been said without the need for the bolded parts.
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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Oct 18 2011, 07:47 PM)
why are you picking up points from those when seriously, the football discussion is what you should really be talking about? It's not like we go "suarez is a cheating *******" right? How does that "jibe" like u say, anyhow related to the discussion?
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learn to read , or you get used to read one liner only in your thread ? feel the sarcasm in those posts?

QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 18 2011, 06:28 AM)
Yeah, but have any of you really like done your research(referring to Duke's method before posting)?
So, my suggestion is to keep our trap shut before the verdict is out. Like I've said, there's no point in arguing right left and centre.

And I did mention regarding sourgrapes earlier, didn't I? There are always sourgrapes after any outcome of any matches. So, why are you surprised? I thought you lots have been watching football far more longer than any other teams set of supporters? It's part and parcel of the process.

And I also pointed out, if you really want to take a look at the biggest sourgrape of all, take a look at Rafa Benitez(yeah, I know like he's a cult hero in here). But that doesn't hide the fact that he is.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Oct 18 2011, 08:12 AM)
Well, I'm in for a good discussion. I simply provide my opinions with some homework. And here I thought, you lots will be more sensible group of people to discuss with as most of you claimed that United fans aren't mature enough?

Guess, I am wrong eh? Oh well.
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when there is only two liverpool fan replying in their thread , they end up 4-5 pages talking bout us ...LOL ..who is the big butthurt? whistling.gif I bet some of them not even know they have an important match tonight.

move on to LFC , hope to see Danny Wilson return to rangers on loan ,the club where he rewarded as Scottish FWA Young Player of the Year award and the Scottish PFA Young Player of the Year award.

I thought we have a closer relationship with celtic where King come from there and we share same YNWA anthem ?



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I wonder who is gonna play later hmm.gif

anyway,did anyone notice the espn presenter looks like downing biggrin.gif

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the friendly match is definitely something forward to look to. by the way, any updates on will the movie?
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post Oct 18 2011, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 18 2011, 10:16 PM)
I wonder who is gonna play later hmm.gif

anyway,did anyone notice the espn presenter looks like downing biggrin.gif
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i realized that too during the half time break of liverpool vs man utd. all of my fren agreed
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post Oct 18 2011, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Oct 18 2011, 10:16 PM)
I wonder who is gonna play later hmm.gif

anyway,did anyone notice the espn presenter looks like downing biggrin.gif
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I said the same darn thing to my friend on Saturday.
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post Oct 18 2011, 10:39 PM

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Anyway what's the official starting time for the friendly match against rangers?
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post Oct 18 2011, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 18 2011, 10:32 PM)
I said the same darn thing to my friend on Saturday.
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Haha..apparently me too!
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Oct 18 2011, 07:52 PM)
Try to read what I quoted from boxsystem again.

And try to read between the lines. What good is a discussion if it is accompanied by cheap jibes?

The comment by boxsystem could have easily been said without the need for the bolded parts.
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wow, and you can expect every single f***ing line of yours to be clean of "jibes".


Added on October 18, 2011, 11:46 pm
QUOTE(leaF @ Oct 18 2011, 08:30 PM)
learn to read , or you get used to read one liner only in your thread ?  feel the sarcasm in those posts?
when there is only two liverpool fan replying in their thread , they end up 4-5 pages talking bout us ...LOL ..who is the big butthurt?  whistling.gif I bet some of them not even know they have an important match tonight.

move on to LFC , hope to see Danny Wilson return to rangers on loan ,the club where he rewarded as Scottish FWA Young Player of the Year award and the Scottish PFA Young Player of the Year award.

I thought we have a closer relationship with celtic where King come from there and we share same YNWA anthem ?
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That discussion can be continued if you leave out that part where he sarcasticly talks about how loyal you guys are. But no, you guys chose to focus on that. Good job on becoming the best fans in the world.

feel the sarcasm in my post?

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