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post Oct 1 2011, 11:19 PM

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hehehe..am i first?
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post Oct 2 2011, 04:35 PM

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What i like about Carroll so far is he looks like a good finisher. He's not blessed with talents for gorgeous moves, fancy flicks or dribbles...but his finishing looks convincing.....at this stage..i think the battle is in his mind....whether he wants to fully make use of his career at Liverpool and develop into a fearsome striker or will he end up as one of those wasted talents...


Admit i was racing to be on the first page last night....it was my first time seeing a thread getting updated so i couldn't resist the temptation.. tongue.gif ..

....but i do give my a fair share of comments here... icon_rolleyes.gif

hoping the spuds and gunners will battle out to an entertaining draw tonight...

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post Oct 3 2011, 02:50 PM

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BTW, was Meireiles involved in Chelsea's win last night? didn't watch the game....was he good?

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post Oct 3 2011, 11:44 PM

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i know this might ruffle some feathers but i said it before here...Jose should come to Liverpool after Madrid...

He's gone to big clubs... flushed with money and achieved success....
If he can do the same thing with a sleeping giant like Liverpool...he'll be one of the greatest..hahaha..


this is not to suggest that KD is not doing a good job....

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post Oct 15 2011, 09:56 PM

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always disappointed not to get 3 points when you're leading them Mancs...

but am very happy and delighted with Downing.......

if he does more of that, then Carrol will contribute more goals.....

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post Oct 24 2011, 01:12 AM

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i am not very impressed by our new signings either but getting rid of them in January is a bit too premature..
i thought we created enough chances to win the game against Norwich...
it was the finishing that couldn't deliver..
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post Oct 25 2011, 09:24 AM

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Added on October 25, 2011, 9:28 am
QUOTE(ianlee @ Oct 25 2011, 12:25 AM)
Norwich have been playing good football of late, the loss with united and chelsea does not do them justice.

Liverpool have created a host of chances against Norwich (also playing good footy) but fail to finish, we are the most wasteful team in europe! Unless our attacking outlets buck up their finishing, we can say bye bye to UCL placing.
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If you talk about previous few games, we need a finisher. No frills, no fancy stuffs...just put them in the net......
among all the strikers we have, strangely, the only one with such background are the 2 fellas who did it in the Dutch league before---Kuyt and Suarez...
We need Suarez to create and run, so maybe a solution is to ask Kuyt to reduce work rate and just stay in box and concentrate on finishing...

but that might disrupt the balance in terms of getting ball into final 3rd..


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post Oct 25 2011, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Oct 25 2011, 09:37 AM)
It is beyond me how the positives seem to escape the attention of some. Whine about creating and not scoring if you want but the fact that we mustered over 40 shots on goal against Stoke and Norwich (games we should have won) is a marked improvement over deserving to lose against them, something we were accustomed to not so long ago. Anyone remember being outplayed at home against the likes of Reading and Wolves? Like I said, all we can do is to keep creating opportunities and the goals will come. Does everyone who comments on games actually watch the game?


Added on October 25, 2011, 9:42 amI've been patiently waiting for the outcome of the Evra - Suarez row. What has become of it? Evra had accused Suarez of being racially abusive and that he had uttered a racist word 10 times and that the ref, Andre Marriner knows what Suarez said. If this is so, why hasn't Mr. Marriner come forth? Why did he not send Suarez off? Where is the video evidence? He said it 10 times and I'm sure a camera would have picked up on it. Action needs to be taken against someone, so who is in the wrong here?
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i think Evra has more things to worry about...like why he didnt turn up last Sunday. If its true Fergie gave the whole team a roasting, i think he is one of them prime meat ..
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post Nov 6 2011, 01:19 AM

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goodness, some of the posts here are just baffling. ...
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post Nov 6 2011, 01:27 AM

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its really funny to read some of the comments here.....i mean i can understand if people start questioning if KD is the man to rebuild Liverpool or maybe some are even doubting if he is capable of leading us to 4th...

but to say that the team is a bad as last year under Roy and yet we're hypocrites not to criticize KD...i am just baffled...did you guys actually saw the football under Roy last year?
some people here really have short term memory ..

i have nothing against Roy but to say that our current football is as bad as last year is just pure nonsense...
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post Nov 6 2011, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Nov 6 2011, 01:29 AM)
other ppl will flame u if u comment like this
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which other people? trolls from other clubs (which i don't give a damn about) or so called Liverpool supporters who want to sack Kenny and half of our team after every draw?
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post Nov 6 2011, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Nov 6 2011, 01:34 AM)
Roy got bad results after spending 20million.Kenny is getting these type of results after having spent 60million plus.

Why dont you just reply straight to me instead of this indirect digs?
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Roy got bad results because the team played bad football...get recordings of last seasons matches....we deserved most of the draws, defeats because we played badly...

the team now is playing better football. Yes, i am also unhappy with the results. But at least I can see some positive football.

no need to feel bad or spicy because i didn't reply straight at you. There are other comments asking for KD to be sacked tomorrow morning. To me its as childish as asking why we can't win matches just because the boss spent millions more...

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QUOTE(imin @ Nov 6 2011, 01:41 AM)
people won't mind if kd has nothing to spend on players. but the problem is he spent millions. i really think that if rafa was given the same amount, liverpool would already be in top 4 by now
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of course. If Mourinho comes in we would have won the league 5x now. Of course, if Henry didn't splash any money we would have been campaigning to get Henry out now.
if KD didn't spend we will be all asking why not spend and rebuild the team. Everyone wanted a new winger, a new striker, a new Alonso, blah blah at beginning of season...its far too easy to question and moan...

KD went out and rebuilt the team. He tried to buy Phil Jones and Young but was unsuccessful. We still don't know if it was a wise decision to get rid of Raul or Aqui...We still can't say if Henderson or Carrol or Adam will justify the price tag...
but to call for a change of manager and sell off these players...and to compare our football now with Roy's style of football...just baffles me..

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post Nov 6 2011, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Nov 6 2011, 01:54 AM)
The fans never supported roy in the first place.Signings like konchesky and poulsen were booed by the crowd soon enough yet when downing,henderson and adam put out passion-less and poor performances consistently nothing is said of it.
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I agree that as compared to Roy, KD has added advantage. The crowd already loved him when he arrived. Roy just didn't had the advantage...

but lets be fair...it took roy about 10 games to show the supporters what he has in mind..in terms of how football is played...Seriously..you're happy with that football? the football that plunged us to near relegation zone and early knockouts by lesser teams ...?

And Konchesky....a defender is to protect...he made schoolboy mistakes in several matches and let in goals...So Roy bought Konchesky. Kenny bought Enrique. lets compare apples to apples then..


And Poulsen? serious, you didn't know why he was booed? you really think he is a better player than Adam? I agree Adam is no Alonso. But to demand the fans to turn on him because we also turned on Poulsen is rather strange, don't you think?

I do agree, Downing haven't been delivering goals nor flying down the wings....lets see if he'll improve.

Hendo? still young, not playing in his favorable position...give the boy some time..
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post Nov 6 2011, 02:11 AM

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sometimes we gotta be realistic....buying good players requires a combination of many things...$$, availability, players want to come, good judgement, etc, etc.
This is not a few click on the mouse and we got our player...

When we were the strongest during that rampaging season under Rafa, we all knew that a Villa or Silva would have elevated the team to greatness...but there was no $$$$ and sadly instead of getting what we want, we ended up losing Mascha, Alons and you know the rest...

KD wanted to buy Phil Jones and Ashely Young too...he probably got the $...but they were not keen to come

Suarez and Enrique were available and we got the $, and Kenny saw the sense in buying them....so, we did and they don't looked too bad...

We all know Carra won't last forever and a young defender from Uruguay was winning accolades and praises...and his club wanted to sell and we have the money and he wanted to come..so we got Seba...

Adam, Downing , Hendo...these are not poor or unknown players...they are internationals. They were available. KD had the money. and he needed a winger, a midfielder, etc . So the deal was done. Now, after 4 months, people are demanding them to play like world class players...Well, realistically, they are not...
Of course i rather have Silva running down my midfield as compared to Hendo or see Alonso and Xavi feeding balls to Suarez as compared to Adams...but that's not going to happen right?

At risk of getting blasted here...i would say given the situation during the summer...Adams and Downing were the most realistic option for KD.....so lets hope they will improve with time......

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Nov 6 2011, 02:18 AM)
I am not denying the fact that they were crap.I am just amused by how the ''fans'' instantly put down konchesky and poulsen as flops very soon into the season yet now the british signings are doing poorly for about more than 10games already but nobody says anything.At least the critical fans are consistently critical about poor performances.

Who should take responsibility for playing him out of position since it isnt working?You seem to assume many things.I wasnt happy with roy's football like everyone else but why excuses are made when we still fail to get results like last time?

Also kenny personally drove adam to melwood sign for us.What message does this send to other players when you show favouritism?Adam seems undroppable at the moment despite his hot and cold form.
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I dont agree with booing or publicly humiliating players too. I don't like the nickname `Cun*cheskly too.... But even you admit they were crap. So good riddance.
The thing is i am puzzled what exactly is your point? you want us to boo Adams too? You want to see more postings such as `Downing is a waste of money'? I don't get you ....

KD driving Adam to Melwood also wrong? my goodness? So this kind of favoritism will bring disharmony? doh.gif doh.gif



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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Nov 6 2011, 02:38 AM)
I am just asking fans to be consistent and call a spade a spade.Downing,henderson(he will be a future star), adam all have been playing poorly yet when we point out that we get abused and told to be patient.As for downing is a waste of money,the longer he goes on like this the more accurate this statement becomes.
People travel spend their monies,time to watch the game and yet this is what they get.The players get paid high wages,no distraction of europa or cl football
and top training facilities at melwood and when the time comes to put in hard work,they fail to show up.

SAF and rooney was just an act staged for rooney to increase his wages.Cantona scenario is like kenny defending suarez.

Kenny favouring adam is a totally different issue.Lets just leave this and hope SG comes back as soon as possible.Truth is, we still arent good enough to win without him.
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Its true some of our purchases are not setting the EPL on fire at moment. its understandable that the fans are demanding quick success. It's frustrating to the Toons and Spuds ahead of us. I don't have problems with all these. I also do not have problems if people dissect the way Downing is playing, why his crosses are poor, etc, etc or if Adam and Lucas playing together kills the team's mobility. Go ahead and discuss these.


What irks me is when fans began to claim that KD is doing as badly as Roy (and its only November). I'm shocked to see people saying things like he spent more than Roy (true) and yet aren't doing any better (really?).

Funny.. you say you don't run the club and you don't know what's behind the scene but you can make claims that players will unhappy with KD's special treatment of Adam and that there are some Scottish favoritism going on.

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yesterday match
-Carrol hit the cross bar in first few minutes
-Agger's header did not hit the target despite the goal mouth at his mercy
-Enrique failed to put in a simple cross when all he needed was just to put in in Kuyt's path
-Kuyt was caught offside (rightly so) but its was inches and i've seen goals allowed in same situation
-The several outstanding saves by the keeper
-Even Downing came close with one effort

I mean....the problem last night was we couldn't score... not that we were sitting back or we can't find a way through a parked bus....

I didn't see the MU match but from what i heard, they found it difficult against Sunderland too....it takes an ex player to help them get the single goal...
I am not making excuse, its just frustrating to see the goal not arriving last night...but more frustrating to come here and see comments asking for manager to be sacked and half the team to be sold off....

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post Nov 6 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(bitebug @ Nov 6 2011, 01:58 PM)
Not that we couldn't score. Swansea outclassed us at Ainfield. They had better possession, passing, crosses, defending and goal keeping throughout the whole night. I don't have problems with people who take all the positives only from the game, but I have problems with people who won't admit something as simple as this. We sucked last night and that's it. If you want to talk about goal scoring opportunities, Swansea probably had the same many chances as us. If they had been longer in PL, we would get trashed last night. Yesterday's game was like the Tottenham game all over again.
Sorry to say this and to Johnson fans, but as of right now, he is not working. Kelly is better than him at the moment. His attacking doesn't work and his defense is questionable. Should I say, selfish? Far too many times he left us vulnerable when he goes forward. We already have someone who can go forward and doing much better job right now, Enrique. IMO, bench him for a few games and let Kelly come in as the starting XI.
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Swansea did not outclassed us. They played well, yes. They almost scored, yes. they didn't park a bus, yes. They looked dangerous yes. But outclass? getting thrashed 6-1 is being outclassed. It was a balanced game and both teams could have won. Yes, its a newly promoted small Swansea. But to claim they outclassed us is in your own words...a bit too simplistic isn't it?

If they have been longer in the PL, we would get thrashed last night you said.....Really? Thrashed?

How was the game like vs Spurs? I don't remember we creating that much chances against spurs. Yes, we were outclassed in that match. but not last night.

If we want to quality for CL, games like yesterday must be won. We didn't and it was painful I've seen us draw match at home because on the 70th minute, we replaced an attacking player with a defensive player. I've seen us getting into boring draws because both teams decided to wait and let the other team come at them. I've seen us struggling to create any chances when a bus is parked in front of goal. But i don't think yesterday's draw was these sorts. Hendo was replaced with Kuyt. Bellamy came in for AC. Agger almost scored with a header. Johnson almost scored too.

The real joke is after a match like this, we have comments about sacking the manager and selling away the new players. and then we have people saying how Roy also did not spent that much money but was ridiculed and its not fair.

I am not blindly supporting KD and he is not without flaws. I still question the sensibility of letting Aquilani goes, although I am not sure in the first place he was more attracted to Milan or us. Before the season start, i actually suggested 2 names...Scott Parker and Arteta. I felt these 2 players are suited for Liverpool- talented, experienced but looking for something big. Well, we missed out on them. And yes, i am fairly disappointed with Downing. Paul Tomkins did wrote an article about him, saying Downing is not your typical swashbuckling type of winger but his assists were vital to A. Villa. But so far, it has not been demonstrated. I have a feeling he just needs a goal or 2 to have that confidence of running down the wings and putting in a good cross.


I do admit AC looked like a panic buy. we could have kept the money and Suarez alone would have been enough at that time. But those were strange times. Our hotshot just left. We have a new owner and he was in the spotlight, to see if he's true to his words or he's another GH in hiding when it comes to spending. We have 50 mill. AC was available., So the transfer happened. Shocking price too. Lets hope better days are coming.


When KD was appointed last season, i did warned fans here that when we appoint KD, what are our expectations of him? What if under him, we finished between 5-7th places for few seasons and a few cup runs here and there. What do we do? Do we sticked with him and give him more $ and time to rebuild? Or if there's a better manager, we say thank you to him? It will be interesting if by February-May next year, a good manager is available and we're realistically not qualify for CL. John Henry will have a big decision to make maybe. But its only November.

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Nov 8 2011, 04:36 PM)
I agree with this. Now, the closes we have of a goal poacher is Kuyt. Though he's not clinical enough and he's playing wide and tracking back to help to defend most of the time.

Torres is not the same after the injury. He was a beast in his 1st season with us because nobody have any idea how he play. It was a delight and made us 'bounce'. His stats now is no better than Carrol I think so prolific is not very correct.
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i vouch for this. I have a feeling he is the right player to do the job for now. he isn't to getting younger and we can't forever expect him to chase every ball all over the field. He was a proven goal scorer in Dutch league before joining us, although its tougher here. But with the right support and ball into the penalty box, he might be able to get some crucial goals?


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