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 Working in Singapore v6, Where maids carry bags for boys

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post Apr 19 2011, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(stinky @ Apr 19 2011, 07:53 AM)
Hi all,
I have got a question as I was called by head hunter for a phone interview.
Since the position is based in Singapore, she asked me for my asking salary.
I have read in this forum that, the reference is minus 25% of your Malaysian salary but the get pay in Singaporean dollar? Right? So this is on top of the SGD1300 living expenses?

Please let me know if the calculation is correct.

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yeaps, gross estimate according to a experienced forumer here... what do you mean by on top of living expenses?

and living expenses is subjective..
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post Apr 19 2011, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(stinky @ Apr 19 2011, 07:53 AM)
I have got a question as I was called by head hunter for a phone interview. Since the position is based in Singapore, she asked me for my asking salary.

I have read in this forum that, the reference is minus 25% of your Malaysian salary but the get pay in Singaporean dollar?

Does the SG job have the same job description as your current job? If it's practically the same, and in the same type of company or industry - then I would ask for the same salary as your current (in S$) as a minimum. Why would you voluntarily factor in -25% when the fact is that they called you, not you call them.

If the job is significantly different, ask the recruiter what the salary range and average salary is for a job of that nature in SG. Do this BEFORE telling him what your current salary or expected salary is. Also ask around, ask your friends, colleagues and your network in the industry.

QUOTE(stinky)
Right? So this is on top of the SGD1300 living expenses? Please let me know if the calculation is correct.

Since when is your salary based on a "cost plus" formula? Don't even bring up living expenses with the recruiter or hiring manager unless it is in the context of ADDITIONAL relocation allowances ONLY. If you bring this up in a salary negotiation, then I know automatically you have no idea what you should be paid.

This post has been edited by seantang: Apr 19 2011, 08:41 AM
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post Apr 19 2011, 09:27 AM

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I am malaysian still hunting a job is sg, it there hardly to get a job for IT industry field now? What is the market salary for sg now? I am still strange some of recruitment from sg only can offer 1600 sgd maximum, It there can cover all the living expenses in sg. kindly advise please.
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QUOTE(yeahs4.1 @ Apr 19 2011, 01:04 AM)
This is very important for most of us here, also future applicants:
1. How long has you been staying/working in Singapore, since the first job?
2. What kinda pass are you holding?
3. Which sector/industry are you in?

your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Hi, it doesn't matter. You may have heard from different people with different qualification are getting their PR application approved or rejected. For those who got their's approved, they don't care and for those who got rejected, they wouldn't know why are them being rejected. You can call up and make an appointment to appeal, but the result still subject vary. The criteria of accepting you as PR is non-disclose, so i think it's important to submit your application, and APPEAL if got rejected and do not wait for a duration then start apply again. Try to appeal first and get more information from the officer while waiting for re-applied. People may tell you, they're not working long enough and salary range is on the lower group, yet some of them got their application approved sucessfully, so it's like gambling to me but it allow you APPEAL, which providing much info and you could win in the second try. Just my 2 cents.
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post Apr 19 2011, 09:35 AM

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I have a question.
I understand that there is a cooling period between application for PR which starts from the rejection date, right?
So IF we appeal and got rejected again, the cooling period starts from the application rejection date or appeal rejection date? :S
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quick check if anyone knows:

is the there a jack-up drilling rig, Rubicone in progress converted into MOPU in Jurong shipyard.

here only with up to 2010 track records.
http://www.jspl.com.sg/track-conver.htm

thanks. smile.gif
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post Apr 19 2011, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Apr 19 2011, 08:14 AM)
yeaps, gross estimate according to a experienced forumer here... what do you mean by on top of living expenses?

and living expenses is subjective..
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Meaning salary in SGD after -25% plus 1300SGD living expense

I checked that single room rental is about 700 + Transport 80 and meals about 400



QUOTE(seantang @ Apr 19 2011, 08:37 AM)
Does the SG job have the same job description as your current job? If it's practically the same, and in the same type of company or industry - then I would ask for the same salary as your current (in S$) as a minimum. Why would you voluntarily factor in -25% when the fact is that they called you, not you call them.

If the job is significantly different, ask the recruiter what the salary range and average salary is for a job of that nature in SG. Do this BEFORE telling him what your current salary or expected salary is. Also ask around, ask your friends, colleagues and your network in the industry.

QUOTE(stinky)
Right? So this is on top of the SGD1300 living expenses? Please let me know if the calculation is correct.

Since when is your salary based on a "cost plus" formula? Don't even bring up living expenses with the recruiter or hiring manager unless it is in the context of ADDITIONAL relocation allowances ONLY. If you bring this up in a salary negotiation, then I know automatically you have no idea what you should be paid.
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Ok thanks, If that is the case I will try to ask for dollar to dollar. I just read in forum that the reference is -25%.
Let's see how it goes.

Yes you are right again, i will nego a total package including allowances rather than itemizing.

Thanks yo


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post Apr 19 2011, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(ahmeng0 @ Apr 19 2011, 09:27 AM)
I am malaysian still hunting a job is sg, it there hardly to get a job for IT industry field now? What is the market salary for sg now? I am still strange some of recruitment from sg only can offer 1600 sgd maximum, It there can cover all the living expenses in sg. kindly advise please.
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It also depend on your experience as well as what you are earning in Malaysia. For instance, get a job with a salary gap that is so low, chances is that I will reject it and continue with my search. When I am searching, there are a lot of strange and amuzed offer from various headhunters. Some of the interesting ones are like the below:

1. They can get me the job but I will need to pay them my first month salary.
2. They offer me a fraction of my salary and when I turned them down, they persuade me further to take the job. I further declined and they scolded me for wasting their time.
3. I could not understand their English!

Well, it depends on where you are in your career. Do a budget and see how much you want to save as well as your expenditure too. In conclusion, have some fun with your job search.


Added on April 19, 2011, 1:17 pm
QUOTE(Nokia convert @ Apr 18 2011, 11:07 PM)
I still think it is feasible to stay in gelang patah/bukit indah area and ride a bike to sg every day. The toll rate for bike is still quite cheap for 2nd link.
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Yes, I believe it's feasible staying in JB and commute to SG daily. I am staying in JB but commute to SG daily. Doing this as I have family commitment. However, for those who just started out working in SG, I would recommend they stay in SG first. Maybe after 1 year, you can think of relocating to JB/GP/BI area. You can get use to the work life in SG (kind of different from MY), get use to the environment first.



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post Apr 19 2011, 01:41 PM

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yeah about using jobhunters.
ive heard a lot of lame/bad experience using recruitment agencies
even my gf(a sg citizen) said that most recruitment agencies
are not very professional

as for me, (as a graduate from japanese U)
i have options of using pasona and jac rec agency.
those agencies are more specialized in recruiting
japanese speakers.
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post Apr 19 2011, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(L7Awesome @ Apr 19 2011, 01:10 PM)
It also depend on your experience as well as what you are earning in Malaysia.  For instance,  get a job with a salary gap that is so low, chances is that I will reject it and continue with my search.  When I am searching, there are a lot of strange and amuzed offer from various headhunters. Some of the interesting ones are like the below:

1. They can get me the job but I will need to pay them my first month salary.
2. They offer me a fraction of my salary and when I turned them down, they persuade me further to take the job.  I further declined and they scolded me for wasting their time.
3. I could not understand their English!

Well, it depends on where you are in your career.  Do a budget and see how much you want to save as well as your expenditure too.  In conclusion, have some fun with your job search.


Added on April 19, 2011, 1:17 pm

Yes, I believe it's feasible staying in JB and commute to SG daily.  I am staying in JB but commute to SG daily.  Doing this as I have family commitment.  However, for those who just started out working in SG, I would recommend they stay in SG first.  Maybe after 1 year, you can think of relocating to JB/GP/BI area.  You can get use to the work life in SG (kind of different from MY), get use to the environment first.
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if there is a like button like FB, i will like this comment. This is what i did as well. After staying in SG 1 year. at least you can experience their life. And when people talking about taking MRT, bus etc etc, at least you will have some information to share. Now i am staying in JB, not that bad as well and I feel home when i am in JB because u can see the significant difference compare to Singapore even its just 1 bridge away.
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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Apr 19 2011, 09:35 AM)
I have a question.
I understand that there is a cooling period between application for PR which starts from the rejection date, right?
So IF we appeal and got rejected again, the cooling period starts from the application rejection date or appeal rejection date? :S
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i believe there is no absolute cooling period but i would suggest you to call up ICA and check with them if you want a firm answer. Just as what i said, ICA is responsible for giving you an accurate answer, 3rd party like us are just giving out "ADVICE" which may or may not be precise.
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QUOTE(totti 10 @ Apr 19 2011, 01:41 PM)
yeah about using jobhunters.
ive heard a lot of lame/bad experience using recruitment agencies
even my gf(a sg citizen) said that most  recruitment agencies
are not very professional

as for me, (as a graduate from japanese U)
i have options of using pasona and jac rec agency.
those agencies are more specialized in recruiting
japanese speakers.
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You should take your time to look for a job that you want. Give yourself a target and a timeframe to look for one. Yeah, a lot of those recruitment really cannot-make-it. They can promise you mountain but it may be different from the appointment letter as sometimes the $ nego is with the agency. Watch out for a trick that they like to use is that they encourage you to tender fast fast even before the company offer you the job. They will tell you that it's confirm.
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Anyone with any idea about Exxonmobil Singapore in Pulau Ayer Chawan? It is an integrated refinery and chemical plant in one complex? How is the working environment? Any information about this will be helpful. Thank you !
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QUOTE(alvin227 @ Apr 19 2011, 09:32 AM)
Hi, it doesn't matter. You may have heard from different people with different qualification are getting their PR application approved or rejected. For those who got their's approved, they don't care and for those who got rejected, they wouldn't know why are them being rejected. You can call up and make an appointment to appeal, but the result still subject vary. The criteria of accepting you as PR is non-disclose, so i think it's important to submit your application, and APPEAL if got rejected and do not wait for a duration then start apply again. Try to appeal first and get more information from the officer while waiting for re-applied. People may tell you, they're not working long enough and salary range is on the lower group, yet some of them got their application approved sucessfully, so it's like gambling to me but it allow you APPEAL, which providing much info and you could win in the second try. Just my 2 cents.
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I think the truth there is a reason why some get and some dont.

If u can compile all the people who got rejected and accepted u will see a pattern.

But I am sure they are trying to keep some people out.

I am sure those working in the ICA that process PR applicantions signed a non-disclosure contract.

What do you think?


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QUOTE(mea05key @ Apr 19 2011, 03:43 PM)
Anyone with any idea about Exxonmobil Singapore in Pulau Ayer Chawan? It is an integrated refinery and chemical plant in one complex? How is the working environment? Any information about this will be helpful. Thank you !
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Working in owner/end user company always easy compare to contracter and consultant, if EM hire me I'll definitely go regardless of the working location

This post has been edited by giorgene: Apr 19 2011, 05:39 PM
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Hi,

May I know which websites you guys use to search jobs in SG?

I only know of jobsdb and jobstreet.

Any other good recommended websites? thanks.
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post Apr 19 2011, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(alvin227 @ Apr 19 2011, 01:50 PM)
i believe there is no absolute cooling period but i would suggest you to call up ICA and check with them if you want a firm answer. Just as what i said, ICA is responsible for giving you an accurate answer, 3rd party like us are just giving out "ADVICE" which may or may not be precise.
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Haha...good point.
Lets hope when I apply, I do not need to worry about that.
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QUOTE(perkinsonline @ Apr 19 2011, 05:25 PM)
I think the truth there is a reason why some get and some dont.

If u can compile all the people who got rejected and accepted u will see a pattern.

But I am sure they are trying to keep some people out.

I am sure those working in the ICA that process PR applicantions signed a non-disclosure contract.

What do you think?
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im gonna guess malay ppl have lower chance getting PR?
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QUOTE(giorgene @ Apr 19 2011, 05:37 PM)
Working in owner/end user company always easy compare to contracter and consultant, if EM hire me I'll definitely go regardless of the working location
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Thats what I heard but will never believe in those until I get the feel of it myself especially when its in Singapore - the kiasuland with foreigners from all over the world like India. I don't know what their mentality is like. Tough.
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QUOTE(totti 10 @ Apr 19 2011, 06:00 PM)
im gonna guess malay ppl have lower chance getting PR?
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You might be right but, but I think if you have a PHD and youre Malay, I'm sure Singapore will be more than welcome to accept you.

I dare to say that Singapore definitely dont want unqualified lazy bums biggrin.gif

I feel that working in Singapore is no different than Japan.

The stress level is high!!


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