Thank you shah, this; I understand clearly. Thanks.

ohhh....you just give me some money making idea there . maybe i'll start this service soon. need to calculate the cost of the stuff needed first. i just use the stuff that i got laying around to build mine so no idea what the cost is.

We'll be awaiting for your preposition as I find it very convienient that my pump will be able to rest too when the comp's off (find unplugging the mains a tiresome affair). If can try to make it similiar to what you're using and a nicer looking bypass switch. Just my 2 cents

Behold everyone, in few days time i'll post my new Storm combo setup. Hehe.

after some calculation, roughly i estimated that the final product price will be in the range of RM25 ~ Rm30. do you think that is reasonable? (for the record, Criticool pump relay cost around RM100 ) oh and maybe i'll use the smallest box that i can fit the circuit into.

btw, what kinda switch that you have in mind...

This post has been edited by Shah81: Apr 25 2006, 01:35 AM

25 to 30 sounds ok to me as long you're not thinking on a mass production basis. More of a service to us that's all. The rocker switch I'm thinking off are these:







This post has been edited by almostthere: Apr 25 2006, 04:07 AM

shah81 .. well done man.. sargeant told me about this and I'm here to racun you sum more.

You see most of us watercoolers doesnt have the moolah to start off this watercooling hobby with a 12VDC pump... hell even when I start off, I'm just using a 240V, 8W, 300Lph, 0.8MQmax.. siamese pump...

Thus comes the needs/demand for a auto switching AC pump. The criticool's is waayyy above our heads..

Now you've came out with the schematics and wiring diagrams it really help us all (the rectifier thing is really cool, i've never thought of that).

But unfortunately not most of us can read those diagram.. so like sargeant said... "Do provide the service to this community".. and earn a bit while in the way

and by the way.. those from Mzone bulkers.. where's the results? espcially those "budget kit".

currently working on my new setup...

today DIY ing my Reservoir...

i'll post some pics up, when i get my camera back... hehe...

those lighted switch can be a little bit expensive....but the black ones are ok i guess......but if you want some bling bling i can add and LED. but it will serve as an indicator for the relay, not the pump.

i guess i'm going to build one "Engineering Sample" before i open up a thread in Garage Sales. expect to see one in 2 days. (this ES will have an unlocked multiplier up to 25X.....hehehehe....just kidding )

i will not mass produce this relay box. it will be base on order. but maybe i'll need 2 or 3 order to start working. this will cut the transportation cost.

thanks for the support man. when the relay box is out, you and almostthere should be my first customer.
yeah...i'm also interested to see the result of those "budget kit". really wanna buy those but got no moolah....stuck with my syscooling.

Hey shah81... keep up the good work. you want the budget kit i can sell without the pump for u LOL.

Great to see this thread up and going again...

DaBaD... results?? hehehe

This post has been edited by MetalZone: Apr 25 2006, 03:58 PM

DaBaD, give us the result with the T-Line setup and with DIY reservoir...
Theoritically, the use of reservoir will help to cool up slightly a little bit the waterflow. (this based on theories of water 'spin' in the reservoir) while the T-Line will make the waterflow constantly run without 'resting'...... THEORITICALLY....

fpr WC users...

Metalzone's Budget water cooling kit temp result...

Proc : Opteron 144
Mobo : DFi SLi-D

Comparison between
1. XP90C (with Delta 120mm Fan)
2. Budget water cooling kit (Nirox Pump)
3. Budget water cooling kit (Resun Pump)

Specs of Nirox pump
Head - 1.8m
Output - 1200 L/h
Power - 28W

Specs of Resun pump
Head - 2.5m
Output - 2800 L/h
Power - 40W

Results



Overclocking the opty was at 325fsb at 1.408volts, meaning it was at 2.93GHZ...for the XP90C the OC was not stable! Only by using the WC kit was the OC stable....

Also note that the Temps taken were the average temp as the temp's fluctuate, say at 45C...the temps fluctuate from 44-46, so i took the average.

The new pump (Resun Pump) had a 1-2C drop.... i was expecting more like 3-4C drop....any tips to make it better? Was thinking of making a thicker solution for the WC with the resun pump...any advise is welcomed

Was thinking about that theory tu...
If i add a second radiator will it cool down the water better?

Or is the Resun pump too hot making the heat transfered to the pump more?

I also posted this at metalzone's bulk...

This post has been edited by DaBaD: Apr 25 2006, 10:11 PM

can We know your setup please?

1. pump-->rad--->waterblock-->pump
or
2. pump-->waterblock-->rad--->pump?

(XP90C result is similar like TT BigWater lah... the diff I used Winnie 3200+ that use higher Vcore.)

It's Pump-Waterblock-radiadtor

Well using an opty the results were shocking

Using my XP90C on my venice at 1.65v only gave a max temp of 48C

But, using an opty at ONLY 1.4v gave a reading of 51-52C and the OC was not stable

Thats the reason i wanted a WC kit, now i want better temps hehehe

copied over from the post at my bulk:

No such thing as the water terlalu laju.
Whether slower or faster, the total amount of time spent in the radiator in a certain period of time equals the same.

DaBaD... ur results look ok to me. Although I suspect that its possible that you're not at its optimum performance.
Are you sure u bled the entire system of bubbles already? including the radiator... if you move the radiator, there shudnt be a sloshing sound.
Have you tightened the waterblock to the CPU enough? (but dont crush it though) there have been issues of high temps with the storm G4 due to a bad mount/not tight enough.


what do u mean by a thicker solution? the water+hydrx? thicker doesnt make it better trust me. ethylene glycol additives doesnt give any better performance but when u add too much it actually decreases performance.

Anyway about the resun pump... at 40W's of power consumption may dump in quite some heat into the loop as i mentioned to you earlier. But as the whitewater waterblock benefits significantly from a better Hmax pump, in this scenario, the temperature gains from the better flow still override the pump's extra heat dump.

btw, what fans and configuration are u using on the rad? I personally found it to a bit more airflow restrictive than I initially thought.

This post has been edited by MetalZone: Apr 26 2006, 12:37 AM

Ok...i know that a higher head will give better performance for the whitewater, so how can i improve the temps abit more.

So adding a second rad is not the answer and a thicker (water+hydrx) also ain't good

And yeah the system ain't finish bleeding yet hehe , coz i just got the pump this morning Maybe will try to oc again after a few more hours...

How about using Redline coolant? Hmmm....

The rad's fan config is push and pull,meaning there are 2fans for entry of air and exit of air...

This post has been edited by DaBaD: Apr 26 2006, 12:42 AM

..aiyaa.. tak payah susah2 lar bang.. sell both to almostthere... .. me oso electrical, electronic & mechanical background.. made one ledi a loooonggg time ago... i'm still complimenting the use of a rectifier/diode on the circuit.. (i'm old timer ledi "

DaBaD....UGPM.

DaBad, a wrd of advice. Try again to have a look at my guide. I believe that is the best advuce I can ever give to a WC'er. The block you use is a classic high Qmax based block which although will yield decent results with the P2800, but will have better results if using a higher specced QMax pump. Moderno's theory regarding the radiator has it's point. The longer the period of time the water remains in the rad, the better the temp reductions are gained. How long and restrictive the rad should be is a very complicated matter to resolve. Bill Adam's has a very good article which I've posted too.

As for the rest, read carefully the abovementioned guide and PM me if any problems or questions

Ok bro reading it now

Althought i have browse through it last time, will reading carefully and slowly now

Bad news guys.. My mobo just screwed. Anybody have spare Socket A mobo ?