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Shah81
post Nov 26 2005, 07:31 PM

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Hi everybody...need some help here. Can somebody list down the shops or location where i can find these items in KL.

-fittings / barbs (1/2", 3/8")
-pumps (nirox2800 etc)

Thanks guys and i think this would benefit other foriumers too. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 28 2005, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(c9 @ Nov 27 2005, 07:48 PM)
I bought my late Nirox at Kosas, Ampang..
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Thanks for the answer c9. smile.gif
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post Feb 8 2006, 04:37 AM

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i'm also using the wc kit from ngbh bulk package 3 that includes cpu, chipset & gpu. here are my temps:

on a cold day:
idle:36
load:48

on a hot day:
idle:38
load:50

My system:
P4 2.4A @ 3.2GHz (1.42V)
MSI PT880
2x256mb Corsair VS 2-3-3-6
Gecube 9550GT 600/290 (voltmoded)

but to achive this temperature, i've mod the wc kit like so:

1. remove the chipset block from the loop
2. change the tubings with the one i bought from hardware store and was cut as short as possible.
3. change the Yate Loon fan to 83cfm NMB fan with a shroud made from a dead fan.

sorry but no screenies because i flush the loop yesterday when i noticed some weird noise from the pump. when everything is settled and ready to be put back together, i realised that my AS5 is out doh.gif . now using those white thermal paste and have a 3C increase in temp in idle and load shakehead.gif . but to not dissapoint everyone here's my setup while i was leak testing yesterday.

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edit: i'm going to lap my proc this weekend. i'll post the result when i'm done. hopefully the temp will drop even more. smile.gif

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post Feb 8 2006, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(amok @ Feb 8 2006, 09:17 AM)
Thanks for the info... and pic.  Well, i wuz kinda wondering if its possible  to snap a few close up pics of the radiator/heatxchanger.. seemed like its the main reason for the low temps, cause the pump~ nothing to brag about, waterblock ~ so and so oni.  And as for the tubing, is it 1/2" ID?  Oh btw, shah thanks alot for this thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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hahaha....yeah, the blocks and pump are so and so oni. for the rad pic, see Prokutiwuti post up there. the tubings is 1/4" ID btw. i've been saving money to buy a good wc kit but only manage to save enough to buy a maze 4 cpu block. but for the same amount of money i can buy this full set wc kit. laugh.gif

the performance of the wc kit is equal (or better in cold day) with my previous XP90+a high cfm fan. but with the wc kit, the is no more jet engine sound under my desk biggrin.gif and plus it cools my gpu too. thumbup.gif

edit: found this pic in my pc. this is the rad with the Yate Loon fan that it came with. hope this helps. smile.gif

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post Feb 9 2006, 09:49 PM

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COD a tube of AS5 today from ngeseng and spend the whole afternoon lapping my proc, cpu block and gpu. found out that both my proc & cpu block have a higher edges than their center. lap everything as flat as possible and for the first time applied AS5 according to the guide on AS web (seems like i've been wasting a lot of AS5 before smile.gif ). so here's the result thumbup.gif

idle:

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load (30min prime):

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wohooooooo!! my pressh0t is cool laugh.gif

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post Feb 12 2006, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(lichyetan @ Feb 12 2006, 06:56 AM)
noob question here, where is the best place to place the radiator? i mean outside the case or inside the case? i currently mount the radiator at inside the case at the rear fan area at centurion 5, could it decrease the cooling performance? unsure.gif
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i think the best place to mount your radiator depends on the size of your casing. if can fit, put inside. if cannot put outside. but for the best cooling performance, make sure the fan is sucking the cool air from outside your case.
in my setup, there is a 2C different during load between sucking air from outside and inside the casing. idle load make no difference. smile.gif

OT: @amok
i see that you got a 2.4A @ 3.4GHz. how much Vcore that you feed to the proc??

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post Feb 19 2006, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(amok @ Feb 13 2006, 12:35 PM)
biggrin.gif  not bad at all,  errr, seriously it's the first time u using AS5 accordingly?
back then i use to spread AS5 on to the processor like spreading butter on a bread. but after reading the guide, now i know that you just need a small dab at the center and press the blocks on top doh.gif .

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post Mar 15 2006, 11:43 AM

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submerging pump into the reservoir can increase the loop temp by a few degrees depending on the total heat dump by the pump. so i suggest you change it into inline setup if it is nirox p2800. smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2006, 10:33 PM

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@zahri
here's a collection of sub ~RM100 pump tested by amok. have a look, this might help.

==>Watercooling Budget Pump Shoot Out<== Click Me
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post Apr 23 2006, 01:41 AM

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Looks like this thread is kinda silent. so let me bump it up with a few screenies. i bought a nirox p2800 from MetalZone and it arrived yesterday. done some customization to the pump. so here's what i did to the pump.

first i build a relay box so that the pump will turn on when i turn on my pc. i also added a bypass switch so i dont need to turn on my pc during bleeding process. here's the pic

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Next i need a reservoir. i see some watercooling kit that come with Eheim pump have a reservoir that snaps to the pump itself. i like those so i make my own recycling the plastic barbs that came with the pump.......but its not that pretty though laugh.gif ( excuse me for using 1/4" barbs...hehehe blush.gif )

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thats it for now, hope this will spice up this thread a little bit. oh btw, someone already bought MetalZone Budget Kit.....cant wait to see some results. smile.gif

Edit:

someone asked me for the relay box circuit...so i'm posting it here so everybody can see.

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note:

pay extra attention to the value of relay and switch. for my nirox pump, it will draw around 0.2A from the mains so the value that i'm using there is already more than enough.

the diode is there to protect your psu and the rest of the ciruit in your rig. since the relay is basicly a coil of wire with magnets, it can conduct some electric current with reverse polarity during switch-off. the diode will short-circuit the current before it reach your psu.

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post Apr 24 2006, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(batousai @ Apr 24 2006, 01:24 AM)
Shah, the bypass switch work when we switch off the PC and turn it on without turning on the PC right?
yes

QUOTE(batousai @ Apr 24 2006, 01:24 AM)
How about the relay, 5 pins or 8 pins? The Normally Open (NO) connected to the diode, soldered to the other NO pin? Is that right....? Do you have the more specific schematic sheet for the relay box circuit?
i think the schematic is specific enough. you can clearly see its a 5-pin relay. incase you cannot read schematics i have draw one with photoshop smile.gif this is how the relay looks like when you flip it up-side down to view its pins. for the value of the components, refer to my previous post.

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post Apr 24 2006, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Apr 24 2006, 08:14 PM)
Shah, maybe you should offer this as a service for watercooler's out there not all of us are well learnt about circuitry diagrams and have access to the necessary tools. I'd pay for a unit you plan to produce a few. No need to complete it all just build the relay box and attach the necessary molexes which we can fit up later upon receipt
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ohhh....you just give me some money making idea there icon_idea.gif . maybe i'll start this service soon. need to calculate the cost of the stuff needed first. i just use the stuff that i got laying around to build mine so no idea what the cost is. smile.gif
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post Apr 25 2006, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Apr 25 2006, 12:21 AM)
We'll be awaiting for your preposition as I find it very convienient that my pump will be able to rest too when the comp's off (find unplugging the mains a tiresome affair). If can try to make it similiar to what you're using and a nicer looking bypass switch. Just my 2 cents
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after some calculation, roughly i estimated that the final product price will be in the range of RM25 ~ Rm30. do you think that is reasonable? (for the record, Criticool pump relay cost around RM100 sweat.gif ) oh and maybe i'll use the smallest box that i can fit the circuit into.

btw, what kinda switch that you have in mind... smile.gif

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post Apr 25 2006, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Apr 25 2006, 04:04 AM)
25 to 30 sounds ok to me as long you're not thinking on a mass production basis. More of a service to us that's all. The rocker switch I'm thinking off are these:
those lighted switch can be a little bit expensive....but the black ones are ok i guess......but if you want some bling bling i can add and LED. but it will serve as an indicator for the relay, not the pump.

i guess i'm going to build one "Engineering Sample" before i open up a thread in Garage Sales. expect to see one in 2 days. (this ES will have an unlocked multiplier up to 25X.....hehehehe....just kidding laugh.gif )

i will not mass produce this relay box. it will be base on order. but maybe i'll need 2 or 3 order to start working. this will cut the transportation cost.

QUOTE(amok @ Apr 25 2006, 08:31 AM)
shah81 rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif .. well done man.. sargeant told me about this and I'm here to racun you sum more.

You see most of us watercoolers doesnt have the moolah to start off this watercooling hobby with a 12VDC pump... hell even when I start off, I'm just using a 240V, 8W, 300Lph, 0.8MQmax.. siamese pump...

Thus comes the needs/demand for a auto switching AC pump.  The criticool's is waayyy above our heads..

Now you've came out with the schematics and wiring diagrams it really help us all (the rectifier thing is really cool, i've never thought of that).

But unfortunately not most of us can read those diagram.. so like sargeant said... "Do provide the service to this community".. and earn a bit while in the way brows.gif

and by the way.. those from Mzone bulkers.. where's the results?  espcially those "budget kit".
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thanks for the support man. icon_rolleyes.gif when the relay box is out, you and almostthere should be my first customer. icon_idea.gif
yeah...i'm also interested to see the result of those "budget kit". really wanna buy those but got no moolah....stuck with my syscooling.
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post Apr 26 2006, 05:00 PM

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yeah man...i think a powerful fan will help. that radiator looks really fat laugh.gif
oh btw, it might help if you put a fan close to the pump to cool it down. it will reduce the heat dump into your loop by the pump .

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post Apr 26 2006, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(zahri @ Apr 26 2006, 05:48 PM)
U mean, it wud be good to have a fan cooling down the pump ??

what about the pump we put near the intake fan of the system....

Wud it be ok, ?
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this is a quote from almostthere tips & trick thread:

QUOTE(Tips and tricks for watercooling users)
Lastly, give the pump proper ventilation so that heat is properly dissipated from it. It'll help extend it's lifespan.
i guess that would be ok as long you got some ventilation going on.
hope this helps smile.gif

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post Apr 27 2006, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(uzairi @ Apr 26 2006, 10:35 PM)
I chipped the transistor.  cry.gif  cry.gif
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bro, what kind of mobo u use...maybe the transistor can be replace
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post Apr 27 2006, 06:25 PM

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ok guys...i've already open up a thread in garage sales for the Relay Box. go there if you thing you need one. laugh.gif CLICK ME

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post Apr 27 2006, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Apr 27 2006, 06:29 PM)
Already there and done my support
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woot....that was fast.....superfast thumbup.gif
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post Apr 29 2006, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(lactose_operon @ Apr 28 2006, 04:35 PM)
im planning to get Tt radiator to build my new wc system... how do u guys tink bout its perfomance? btw can i change the barb size ( which is 1/4") to 1/2" size?
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i thought you already bought ngbh's syscooling package, even can see in your sig there......like MetalZone said, that kit have better radiator than TT radiator. you can mod the syscooling radiator to 1/2" and it will look like a BIX clone icon_idea.gif

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