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MetalZone
post Nov 10 2005, 10:10 PM

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Fellow frens...

For my project, the most suitable options for me to consider are the following as well as their issues:

1. Black Ice Extreme I. the problem is the fan i'm planning to use is only 77 CFM. but the Black Ice Pro I issint favourable either.

2. Black Ice Micro II. the 2X 80mm fans that will be used is running at 33 CFM each. This also might be a little low CFM to drive the air thru the rad.

Which of the above would give better performance and what do u advice?

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post Nov 11 2005, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 10 2005, 10:10 PM)
Fellow frens...

For my project, the most suitable options for me to consider are the following as well as their issues:

1. Black Ice Extreme I. the problem is the fan i'm planning to use is only 77 CFM. but the Black Ice Pro I issint favourable either.

2. Black Ice Micro II. the 2X 80mm fans that will be used is running at 33 CFM each. This also might be a little low CFM to drive the air thru the rad.

Which of the above would give better performance and what do u advice?
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ok i've finally decided to go with Black Ice Pro II after spending so much time thinking, measuring, and calculating. phew.
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post Nov 12 2005, 03:46 AM

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hey guys...
is the Alphacool AP1500/AP900 (made by OASE) EMI shielded?
i'm wondering bout the EMI interference... if i decide to use this pump and it doesnt have EMI shielding then i guess i'll make my own shrowd.
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post Nov 13 2005, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 13 2005, 09:58 PM)
Mmm...good question. You guys punya tygons OD berapa?
Still deciding between thick or thin...utility or bling ... sad.gif
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my coming Tygon tubing is 1/2" ID 5/8" OD Laboratory R3603

utility or bling? meaning?

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post Nov 14 2005, 04:05 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 13 2005, 11:49 PM)
Sorry..should have elaborated.

Thicker less kinks mar = Utility.

Thinner more cantik mar.
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hmmm i never thought of that part before...
if u wanna take tighter bends without kinking, get the ultra soft type but it costs quite a lot more. the cheaper laboratory type will do in most cases. but if u take the thinner versions, in the end also maybe it'll kink quite easily.

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post Nov 17 2005, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(bmbk @ Nov 17 2005, 11:54 AM)
thanks for your reply sniper, at least i know that not many using aquagate, so maybe i will consider something else.

edit : just found out the aquagate price is RM720, Holy Crap, i dont afford that much.

anyway i thinking of getting the Evercool WC202
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how hot's ur prescott at full load OC'ed? as far as i know it gets pretty much damn hot at high OC's at full load. what heatsink are you using also?

i'm not sure how much the Evercool WC202 can reduce your temps, coz its not generally regarded as a high end kit aimed at dissipating such amounts of heat. its a good choice for AMD K8 and K7 overclockers, but i'm not sure if it can handle those ultra hot prescotts.
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post Nov 17 2005, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(bmbk @ Nov 17 2005, 02:08 PM)
metalzone, the prescott is very hot indeed.

i am getting 60 with Coolermaster hyper 6 + vantec tornado. oouch...

I was actually the WC-202 as i might replace the default fan for the external radiator and use my tornado.

so for me if the water cooler can reduce 5 degree is enough for me i will say. i am at the border line actually.

and the worst come worst i will just use the cooler for my display card.
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what's your budget like actually?
you might be able to afford a custom set...
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post Nov 17 2005, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(bmbk @ Nov 17 2005, 05:17 PM)
budget is RM400 - RM500.

I am trying if i can equip everything inside the case. i am interested with GPU water cooling as well. Do you think the cooler you have with some modification like bigger radioter can do a trick ?

and sniper, i have read the review of the mini, they are priced around RM250. But i doubt they can do better then WC-202.

about custom set, i worried about the leak. i will going to low yat this sunday, maybe i will go around and see if there is any custom set.
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Making any modification to the WC202 is quite hard to come by actually. coz the connections and stuff, and where are u gonna get a suitable radiator? i'm not trying to kill my own sales but i'm just being an honest trader.

actually with RM500 you can build quite a decent custom set already. albeit without the GPU Block. leaks are something you have to be aware of when u play with watercooling. thats why you have to always do a leak test for 24 hours before you put it in. just make sure everything has been fixed properly, proper barbs or clamps etc, or in the case of the WC202, screwed properly.

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post Nov 18 2005, 12:57 PM

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wah... again....
this time diamond pins...
interesting...
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post Nov 19 2005, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Nov 18 2005, 11:33 PM)
Oh shite. I did mine with the clear type which dries to crystal clear look. Looks very nice as compared to the white type. Oh well, I suppose I'll run it like that first n c how.
Haf u guys seen the new Swiftech kit? Very nice. Good solid kit n all ready made. Just buy n install. It comes with the Storm block, MCW655 pump, BIX2 rads n the new trend 7/16" hoses.
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the APEX kit eh? actually its not a BIX2 rad. neither is it a BIP2. coz the thickness is 34mm. BIP is 25mm thick while BIX is 45mm thick.
anybody got ideas on what rads those "quiet power" swiftech rads are?
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post Nov 19 2005, 01:38 AM

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UPDATE!!!
The Apogee page on Swiftech's website is back online.
http://www.swiftnets.com/products/APOGEE.asp

And looks like all their watercooling kits has been revised to use the Apogee waterblock. It succeeds the MCP6000 in the H20-80 and H20-120 kits, and replaces the Storm in the H20-220 kit as well.

something to note from swiftech's website...
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As a result the Apogee water-block may outperform our STORM model by a up to 1°C (at 100 Watts thermal load and 1.0 GPM), and further increase its lead in multiprocessor, multi-vga applications due to its low restriction characteristics as can be seen in our kit test results HERE.

another exerpt...
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A simple example illustrates this point quite clearly: using the same MCP350 pump, it will take three Apogee water-blocks in series to drop the flow rate to that of single Storm.

The Apogee sounds like a killer block here.
However, Cathar still believes the Storm G4 will outperform the Apogee block... albeit maybe in single block systems.
I personally think the Storm will perform better, at least in single blocks... although Swiftech's tests claim otherwise. marketing?
interesting... now we'll wait for real world performance.
I can't wait to review this as well.

finally, take note of the price...
the Storm's RRP is $84.95 while the Apogee's RRP is only $49.95. Thats quite a huge difference there considering their "possibly" small variation in performance.

from my observation one of the reasons for the reduced costs of the Apogee is that the Apogee's upper body is injection moulded from Acetal,
while on the Storm G4, both the upper(top cover) and lower(35 jets) Delrin Acetal bodies are CNC machined.

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post Nov 19 2005, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 19 2005, 09:07 PM)
anybody knows what's the size of the tubing for Vantec Stingray set ?

amok : the acrylic pipe is 80mm in diameter (outer) and 100mm long.
can custom design the end covers to suit u
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hey,
u know where to find 1/2" ID solid clear acrylic tube ar?
i've seen people use copper 90 degree angle tubes as well... do u know where to get those? what about acrylic or brass ones?

btw, the vantec stingray uses 3/8" tubing according to ray99mond.

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post Nov 20 2005, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Nov 19 2005, 11:36 PM)
It's not 3/8 IIRC. Coz I remember reading reviews about it saying that the only bad thing bout it is that they wished Vantec wud use bigger hoses such as 3/8 at least. I suspect they're using only 1/4 hoses like the Airbesar.
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btw, any idea about my question?
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 20 2005, 09:44 AM)
solid ones ???
i guess have to order in one whole tube around 2m, no spare quantity
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order whole 2m? UGPM
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QUOTE(pornstar @ Nov 20 2005, 11:54 PM)
guys..im confused about tubings measurements..does the outer diameter matters?my theory is the thinner the walls the more flexible it is but allows for easier kinking and otherwise..and for pumps i need to know whats the difference between the D5 and the DDC?my setup will be a BIP3 and a storm and i`ll be adding a gpu wb in the future..which pump should i go with?
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I would recommend a D5 instead of a DDC in this case. You will need that head pressure. The heat dump of the DDC is much less than a D5 but since u are gonna use a BIP3, it will be able to handle the heat. besides, you will be adding a GPU block which will also add more restriction to ur system.
The DDC wouldnt be sufficient to handle that unless you run two. Also note than the DDC is using 3/8" barbs while the D5 is using 1/2" barbs.
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post Nov 21 2005, 08:07 PM

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from procooling... one hell of a waterblock...
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post Nov 22 2005, 12:15 AM

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warh... unlucky day for watercooling gang ar...
dang... i'm running on one too. sweat.gif

fendi... my condolences to you... that looks bad...

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Nov 22 2005, 12:59 AM)
which OD size would you reccommend for an 1/2" ID? the 5/8" or the 11/16"? and my condolences to fendii..what a waste...
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actually i was also in a dilemma between those two haha. sweat.gif i took the 5/8" myself also.

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QUOTE(amok @ Nov 22 2005, 09:22 AM)
the thicker one are harder to kink.
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and harder to curve as well....
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wah ur second pic so dark wan?

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