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post Jul 22 2005, 10:53 PM, updated 19y ago

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Windows Vista Homepage
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/

Windows Vista Activity Center
http://www.winsupersite.com/vista/

Windows Vista @ Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista

Launch Ceremony in Malayisa (3rd and 4th February 07)
http://www.microsoft.com/malaysia/events/vistalaunch/

Amazing Vista Walk Hunt (3rd February 07)
http://www.microsoft.com/malaysia/events/v...h/vista%5Fhunt/

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personally, i prefer the name longhorn. more sophisticated and professional. VISTA? dunno liao. wait for others to pour in some views.
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:14 PM

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sounds like a name for scooter motorcycle...
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:15 PM

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windows vista....sound's odd to me tongue.gif maybe already used to longhorn
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Jul 22 2005, 10:55 PM)
personally, i prefer the name longhorn. more sophisticated and professional. VISTA? dunno liao. wait for others to pour in some views.
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agree wit u.. longhorn sounds more professional.. vista sounds like some brand 4 dish soap..
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:48 PM

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Longhorn sounds Scandinavian while Vista sounds Latin.
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QUOTE(Dark Steno @ Jul 22 2005, 11:48 PM)
Longhorn sounds Scandinavian while Vista sounds Latin.
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:50 PM

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as always, darksteno's comment is deeply analytical and anime influenced thumbup.gif
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:55 PM

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mm vista? Sounds like a name of an Apartment know as " VISTA Commonwealth ". In Bukit Jalil .

LongHorn is actually VISTA ?
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post Jul 22 2005, 11:58 PM

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When XP's name is announced, everyone comments how weird that name is. But today, we are now used with that name. It will be the same for Vista, a couple of years or so after release.
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Yeah, name doesn't matter to me either, sooner or later we will get used to it

It is useless for a OS to have a wonderful name but costs you a bomb and yet fails to perform

I'd rather to see the next release to impress me in term of quality.
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post Jul 23 2005, 12:40 AM

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Longhorn reminds me of long and horny, and that's really not what I want of Windows, so I prefer Vista.
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post Jul 23 2005, 12:49 AM

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Longhorn i think i better la...

Vista the name like not so professional
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post Jul 23 2005, 12:52 AM

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VISTA = Very Inexpensive Software To Americans
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QUOTE(Dead__Man @ Jul 23 2005, 12:40 AM)
Longhorn reminds me of long and horny, and that's really not what I want of Windows, so I prefer Vista.
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QUOTE(Dead__Man @ Jul 23 2005, 12:40 AM)
Longhorn reminds me of long and horny, and that's really not what I want of Windows, so I prefer Vista.
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It is probably to compensate Bill Gates' weaknesses, which is Micro and soft laugh.gif
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i only know altaVISTA. xD

Vista...kinda longer than the normal one....

95,98,ME,NT,XP <- 2 characters
Vista <- 5 characters

cant wait for the beta!
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post Jul 23 2005, 01:37 AM

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Vista is official name or the beta name?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 23 2005, 01:37 AM)
Vista is official name or the beta name?
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Longhorn is the codename
Vista is the official name, regardless of whether it is beta or final
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post Jul 23 2005, 03:11 AM

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Vista Angkasa in Kerinchi.hehehe.I think Longhorn more professional smile.gif.
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Would you just stop talking about whether the name is professional or either way? Just think about XP. What was XP codename?
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QUOTE(Dark Steno @ Jul 23 2005, 04:18 AM)
Would you just stop talking about whether the name is professional or either way? Just think about XP. What was XP codename?
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i actually quite like the name Windows Vista...
way much better Windows XP (aka Ass Pee)
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everybody have their own opinion so take some time to accept it whistling.gif

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QUOTE(keyz @ Jul 23 2005, 10:15 AM)
Hmm..Codename 'Whistler' ?Not sure..Just ingat-ingat lupa or 'Memphis' ?  sweat.gif
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wah looks promising biggrin.gif
weird name though, longhorn was nice
will there be a 64 bit version ???
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QUOTE(Dark Steno @ Jul 23 2005, 04:18 AM)
Would you just stop talking about whether the name is professional or either way? Just think about XP. What was XP codename?
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QUOTE(keyz @ Jul 23 2005, 10:15 AM)
Hmm..Codename 'Whistler' ?Not sure..Just ingat-ingat lupa or 'Memphis' ?  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Dark Steno @ Jul 23 2005, 11:57 AM)
Memphis
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Wrong...it is Whistler
Memphis is the codename for win98

Refer here for all code names.
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx
Announcement!!!!
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QUOTE(reeyon @ Jul 23 2005, 12:07 PM)
The link is already in the first post smile.gif
Thanks anyway
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QUOTE(samuraiKidz @ Jul 23 2005, 12:03 PM)
Wrong...it is Whistler
Memphis is the codename for win98

Refer here for all code names.
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i kinda like longhorn better.. Windows Vista.. sound's like Windows Vespa.. bleah..
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Windows Vista sounds exactly like the Apartments in Bukit Jalil which is called as Vista condo. biggrin.gif . Again i prefer it to call as Longhorn because it sounds more professional.
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You know what? Rather than having name change from Longhorn to Vista or stay the name as longhorn, is prefer it become Windows XD. A succesor of Windows XP right?
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after windows vista is launched, we'll get amd athlon 64 vista, ati radeon vista etc...smile.gif
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post Jul 23 2005, 08:37 PM

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when longhorn was spread around, i thought the name was weird
now "vista",even weirder

it would be nice if they continue using eg, Windows 2000 or Windows 2005
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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Jul 23 2005, 08:37 PM)
when longhorn was spread around, i thought the name was weird
now "vista",even weirder

it would be nice if they continue using eg, Windows 2000 or Windows 2005
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but it doesn't really matter waht the name is,
we just want the quality......
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yeah, the old days microsoft uses years to represent the windows, now it has its name already.........
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It doesn't matter, even if they called it Windows Garbage, people would still buy it.
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QUOTE(acedriver @ Jul 24 2005, 01:39 AM)
It doesn't matter, even if they called it Windows Garbage, people would still buy it.
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what are the requirements for this windows vista? RAM how big? proc?
i hope i dun need to waste more money sweat.gif
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I don't like Vista. Should let longhorn, the codename as the offical name too.
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QUOTE(acedriver @ Jul 24 2005, 01:39 AM)
It doesn't matter, even if they called it Windows Garbage, people would still buy it.
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LOL but true biggrin.gif
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Never expected M$ to called their product as Vista...
Maybe Vista has a better ring and meaning to all users. Longhorn sounds a bit gothic... reminded me of the devil with longhorn aka M$ itself laugh.gif

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arrgghhhhh windows vista
cant they thought of a better name doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
Windows Longhorn sounds good enuf tongue.gif
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Vista sounds a bit weird.

should be call Windows NP (Windows No Pirated)
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QUOTE(username @ Jul 24 2005, 11:47 AM)
Vista sounds a bit weird.

should be call Windows NP (Windows No Pirated)
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Wrong! Windows NB

Sonic_CD should get it...whoever else will get a cookie tongue.gif
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Actually Vista means "The visual percept of a region", with these synonyms: aspect, panorama, prospect, scene and view. Translated from Spanish, Vista means: sight, vision, ability to see; look, glimpse; spectacle; viewfinder; range of view; point of view.

Windows Vista has been unofficially abbreviated to Windows VI, staying with the traditional 2 character motif, as in 95, 98, 2K, ME, NT, XP. VI is also the number 6 in Roman numerals, and Windows Vista will carry the version number 6.0.

So next time we should call it Windows VI instate of XP....
Quote from Wikipedia.

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QUOTE(HMMaster @ Jul 24 2005, 06:54 PM)
VISTA = Viruses, Infections, Spyware, Trojans, Adware

xD laugh.gif
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This is too early to say sweat.gif
We have to wait until it release at 2007( if release on time) to know the true meaning of VISTA.
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QUOTE(peelfresh @ Jul 24 2005, 06:47 AM)
what are the requirements for this windows vista? RAM how big? proc?
i hope i dun need to waste more money sweat.gif
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since win xp requirement is 256mb ram
so i tink windows vista is 512mb hope they maintain it at 256mb smile.gif
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Saw this Vista news on BBC yesterday... WAs shocked... Longhorn sounds so much coolerrrr...
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QUOTE(HMMaster @ Jul 24 2005, 06:54 PM)
VISTA = Viruses, Infections, Spyware, Trojans, Adware

xD laugh.gif
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habis............. name ruined b4 release to public shocking.gif doh.gif ohmy.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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when i saw the name Windows Vista for the first time, I thought was a joke, but after see over and over again, Iithink im starting to love the name wub.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HMMaster @ Jul 24 2005, 06:54 PM)
VISTA = Viruses, Infections, Spyware, Trojans, Adware

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i read this somewhere:

VISTA: Village Idiot's Solution To Apple laugh.gif

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QUOTE(nameless @ Jul 24 2005, 07:00 PM)
This is too early to say sweat.gif
We have to wait until it release at 2007( if release on time) to know the true meaning of VISTA.
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if im not mistaken, should be end of 2006...
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M$ VI? I thougt M$ hate open source?
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QUOTE(HMMaster @ Jul 24 2005, 06:54 PM)
VISTA = Viruses, Infections, Spyware, Trojans, Adware

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VISTA = Version Infinate, Surely Takes Ages

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windows VISTA = windows for VISTA Angkasa condo
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QUOTE(deus_ex_machina @ Jul 25 2005, 12:58 AM)
M$ VI? I thougt M$ hate open source?
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vista pun vista la...
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New Logo for Windows Vista biggrin.gif tongue.gif

http://www.hollismotors.co.uk/vw-logo.jpg
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At the end ppl need to update on the internet, but then the system crash due *illegal* operation system, freeze, -Hasta La Vista Baby tongue.gif
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yeah...at leat they change the name to something better..
Longhorn ...animal?race or what? the name simple sucks!

Vista...start with V means 5 for me...the 5th version of windows!
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QUOTE(HMMaster @ Jul 24 2005, 06:54 PM)
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Download the wallpaper you saw in the background when the new name for Windows Longhorn, from now on named Windows Vista, was introduced. Thanks to Bink for this tip.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stijnvogels/28049943/
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QUOTE(peelfresh @ Jul 24 2005, 06:47 AM)
what are the requirements for this windows vista? RAM how big? proc?
i hope i dun need to waste more money sweat.gif
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anybody can direct me to the link of the requirements? notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(kennyL1692 @ Jul 25 2005, 04:44 PM)
yeah...at leat they change the name to something better..
Longhorn ...animal?race or what? the name simple sucks!

Vista...start with V means 5 for me...the 5th version of windows!
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longhorn is a type of cow/bull in us with gigantic long horn
so they call it a longhorn
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QUOTE(kennyL1692 @ Jul 25 2005, 04:44 PM)
yeah...at leat they change the name to something better..
Longhorn ...animal?race or what? the name simple sucks!

Vista...start with V means 5 for me...the 5th version of windows!
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Window 2000 is the fifth version
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should be named VT , shortform for vista , biggrin.gif

lol Virus Infection Spam Trojan Adware
reminds me of Window ME , Mistake Edition


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Longhorn nice d mah..
wan putar putar sumur for wert?
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Back then XP still sounds a little hip and techy, Vista is just.... erkkhh.... Like it or not, with all else being *undebated*, I see Apple with better marketing ideas, at least on their names...

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QUOTE(Tm89 @ Jul 25 2005, 09:58 PM)
Longhorn nice d mah..
wan putar putar sumur for wert?
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Er...that's what this thread is all about, ask the thread starter then wink.gif
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yeah baby ... XP Pro gonna ban lo ... Vista is not a very good name lah ...
should called Windows JA (Jessica Alba) smile.gif
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btw is longhorn based on the windows 2000 core?
because xp is actually windows 5.1

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no it's not...it supposedly will be Windows 6.0(iirc)
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no it's not...it supposedly will be Windows 6.0(iirc)
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Highly anticipated next-generation OS "Longhorn" or - after the latest official announcements- "Vista", will feature sophisticated A/V output content protection mechanisms, if not lock down the PC as someone would say, in an effort to comply to entertainment industry demands.

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Vista? sounds like a car to me
is Microsoft going to venture into cars? shakehead.gif

-Microsoft may have to alter Vista
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2140286/...microsoft-vista

-Microsoft could face trademark challenge over 'Vista'
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id...486;fp;2;fpid;1

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QUOTE(aba9785 @ Jul 26 2005, 08:25 AM)
Vista? sounds like a car to me
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Win XP = d X refer too Win NT 5.0
now Win VISTA = d VI refer too Win NT 6.0 smile.gif
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I hope someone will do a bulk for this when it is released smile.gifsmile.gif
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But i still prefer the name Longhorn since its more "bergaya".
Btw is vista actually longhorn (they just change the name??) or its completly diferent from longhorn??
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But i still prefer the name Longhorn since its more "bergaya".
Btw is vista actually longhorn (they just change the name??) or its completly diferent from longhorn??
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just like XP - product name , Whistler - Codename
and after XP name was released , i think the name Whistler slowly forgotten, and it will be same for this , LongHorn will be forgotten sooner or later
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Longhorn is good as a codename, but not as a final name.. IMO
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apparently...........tomorrow is the date of release of Longhorn Beta 1 to testers
Source: http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?id=3365&catid=1

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so tomoro how 2 get??
DL from microsoft website ah??
or microsoft only appoint a few testers 2 test smile.gif
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just wanna ask gere,can be the longhorn(vista) use in normal pc?my rig is A64
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vista coming out?
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Beta of Windows Vista due Wednesday
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5804975.html?tag=nl.e589
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go download, be a beta tester thumbup.gif

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gonna wait till they release service pack1 or service pack2
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this time to change pc
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Gosh...some unintelligent use of transparency....
I seriously think Microsoft have some serious problem in their taste

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after some googling.. i found some nice info on windows vista..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista

check out the external link also.. many screenshot there..

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QUOTE(xinghuei @ Jul 27 2005, 01:49 PM)
hard to become beta tester anyway~~
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http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5805696.html?tag=nl.e589

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screenshot: http://www.jcxp.net/vista_beta1_shots/

woa!! BIG icons!!
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Sorry, im a bit late.. tongue.gif
Windows WHAT?!

More like:
Windows VISTA=
V - Virus
I - Infection
S - Spyware
T - Trojan
A - Ad-ware

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sound wierd....maybe Win VS wl be a nicer callin
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why make a fuss over the name? anything is cool as long if delivers quality performance..
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u can be a tester if u r MSDN developer
if u r not a MSDN developer, then u can only test drive it by buying pirated CD
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Instead of the name, why not we talk about all the little changes. There will be no "My Computer", "My Document" and "My Pictures" etc....

All will eventually be changed to "Documents", "Photos" etc, which 'makes life easier', according to microsoft biggrin.gif
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i prefer Windows Longhorn..VISTA just reminds me of where i used to stay..lolz
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MSDN subscription cost from USD$149 to USD$2000 damn

but apparently, the popular Winbeta.org has release the torrent of M$ Vista Beta1, though they claim no crack provided
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i dont like the start menu.. prefer the old one..


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i dont like the start menu.. prefer the old one..
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http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews...vista_b1_06.jpg
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Unbiasely it does looks cool,

new skins & icons, new appeareances,...love to try it


but still in progress.. =_=! ...
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more>>
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow/0,1206,pg=0...a=156757,00.asp
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the folder icon is rather large in every place, do they think our monitor screen shud be like Apple Wide Screen that can fit it?

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Anyone about drivers?
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i think for the icons, u should be able to change it. since it is space-taking with that huge icon...sweat.gif
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QUOTE(rio @ Jul 22 2005, 11:14 PM)
sounds like a name for scooter motorcycle...
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vista sounds retarded.... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

now what was it about longhorn having 2 new big additions, file systems and another thing, but vista only having 1 of them....

then later on about 1-2 yrs later they gonna release another version of windows with that extra thing...

longhorn had both cant remember long time already never read....
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QUOTE(anarchist @ Jul 29 2005, 05:20 PM)
hahaha

vista sounds retarded.... laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

now what was it about longhorn having 2 new big additions, file systems and another thing, but vista only having 1 of them....

then later on about 1-2 yrs later they gonna release another version of windows with that extra thing...

longhorn had both cant remember long time already never read....
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Anyone about drivers?
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Nvidia will probably follow suit shortly.


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^yes they have
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1141
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i've download this windows vista but dunno how to install it.. anyone can teach me? i tried using bios to boot, but cant detect. and there is no product key. how to install??
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QUOTE(honkit @ Jul 31 2005, 05:56 PM)
i've download this windows vista but dunno how to install it.. anyone can teach me? i tried using bios to boot, but cant detect. and there is no product key. how to install??
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i've download this windows vista but dunno how to install it.. anyone can teach me? i tried using bios to boot, but cant detect. and there is no product key. how to install??
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QUOTE(kaffra @ Aug 1 2005, 08:36 AM)
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QUOTE(Dark Steno @ Aug 1 2005, 12:20 PM)
But he said, no product key happy.gif
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The product key should be in the e-mail Microsoft has sent to him (if Vista beta procedure is the same as Windows Server 2003 R2).
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Ohh.. so the beta is conducted there instead of BetaPlace.
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Betaplace ? Still alive. The WI 6.2 Beta is starting soon.
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BetaPlace is where Microsoft do another beta-test of their OS, which is Windows Server 2003 R2 (I am part of that one). Windows XP 64-bit is also conducted there (already got my free serial number, although not using it yet). I wonder why Microsoft does their OS beta-testing in 2 different websites (BetaPlace for Windows Server 2003 R2 + Windows XP 64-bit and Microsoft Connect for Vista).
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QUOTE(asellus @ Aug 1 2005, 09:30 PM)
BetaPlace is where Microsoft do another beta-test of their OS, which is Windows Server 2003 R2 (I am part of that one). Windows XP 64-bit is also conducted there (already got my free serial number, although not using it yet). I wonder why Microsoft does their OS beta-testing in 2 different websites (BetaPlace for Windows Server 2003 R2 + Windows XP 64-bit and Microsoft Connect for Vista).
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Everything's going to shift to Microsoft Connect or so that's what i read.
Betaplace ---> WindowsBeta ---->Microsoft Connect.

All WindowsBeta content has moved to MC, but BP is still alive and well. As i mentioned, the WI 6.2 Beta will begin there soon.

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i can't wait the new Windows Vista is comeing  and how is the "vista " things program like ..............isit like Windows XP all ways need to upgrad this upgrad that ? and some times Windows  XP Sux!!!!~
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i assume its updates, which is common in linux or mac
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How about drivers can use same WinXP Drivers?
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How about drivers can use same WinXP Drivers?
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Some of the devices installed by itself just like WinXP. I managed to install my 3Com NIC and Audigy 2 drivers. Using WinXP driver. But it seems taking longer for the installation process.

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heard that windows vista does not support our current monitor..
something that reduces the quality of video if we use non supported monitor..

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25124

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25094

that means we need a new monitor to use windows vista

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driver there are some little problem...
my windows can have a transperancy view coz my Graphics card 128mb ATI readon 9200se are not LDDM (Longhorn Display Driver Model) so i cant get the full aero feature...n my Audio Realtek AC'97 audio cant use wit Vista,once installed the audio driver, my vista will come out a blue screen once plays sound. a little bit lag, u may have at least P4 3GHZ,512mb to run it smooth...driver some are support by Vista but some not...so is depen on wich hardware r u using...n the Start menu, i prefer Old style coz the new start menu cant slide out, u need to choose program at the same place wit Recent Program, u can c my All Program screenshot tat i have post

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driver there are some little problem...
my windows can have a transperancy view coz my Graphics card 128mb ATI readon 9200se are not LDDM (Longhorn Display Driver Model) so i cant get the full aero feature...
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i set up a new user.. the administrator account has transparency aero theme, but the new user doesnt seems to work with transparency.. so weird.. or izzit need any configuration for the transparency stuff?
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Well.. it look pretty impressive compared to XP, but is that all it has to offer for the time given until 2006? Additionally, the fonts and icons maybe new to certain people but it's still an eye-sore, some looks as classic as it is...

Guess the comparison between Vista(end of '06) and (current)Mac OSX Tiger will not even be valid, based on the pictures itself...

No offense, just voicing up what i've seen...
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First Windows Vista viruses take advantage of a new command shell, code-named Monad, that's included in the Windows Vista beta code.

http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopic...,103682,00.html

Seems inevitable really, but Microsoft spokeswoman denied the news claiming that Monad' has not been installed on the system.

http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,...,1844190,00.asp

It's been eight days only biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Deadman.Inc. @ Aug 6 2005, 12:41 AM)
Well.. it look pretty impressive compared to XP, but is that all it has to offer for the time given until 2006? Additionally, the fonts and icons maybe new to certain people but it's still an eye-sore, some looks as classic as it is...

Guess the comparison between Vista(end of '06) and (current)Mac OSX Tiger will not even be valid, based on the pictures itself...

No offense, just voicing up what i've seen...
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Hmm, seriously I don't think the Icons need to be that big
Maybe Microsoft have their own reason behind

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QUOTE(kaffra @ Aug 6 2005, 09:22 AM)
beta2 is when the eye candy will be implemented.
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Yeah, can't wait for the "proper" Aero Glass (or so that's what i read in the newsgroups).

QUOTE(samuraiKidz @ Aug 6 2005, 09:28 AM)
Hmm, seriously I don't think the Icons need to be that big
Maybe Microsoft have their own reason behind
To make it look simpler maybe ? I dunno. But easily changeable. You can scale the size with a slider.

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wow seem to be pretty nice! can i use it too?
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[quote=samuraiKidz,Aug 6 2005, 09:28 AM]
Hmm, seriously I don't think the Icons need to be that big
Maybe Microsoft have their own reason behind

ya, the icon bcome so big is a reason from microsoft, coz they wan to let ppl can c there folder far away from monitor, u also know tat many ppl now r using 20inch++ monitor, so tis setting view is for them...wakakakaa...tis setting is one of the new features, u can set ur folder small size jus like windows xp
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Dunno it can support some old games or not??? biggrin.gif
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Er... when a person buys a big screen size monitor, I suppose the purpose of having bigger view area is more important than seeing it from far right? If you're a graphic designer you'd understand why... wink.gif
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what is the requirement for the win Vista?

can AMD Sempron 64bit 2500++ support it?

thanks..
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can install m/s office on it ?
i'm going to get the cd today

any free cd offer by microsoft m'sia ?
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hey guys,

what is the requirement for the win Vista?

can AMD Sempron 64bit 2500++ support it?

thanks..
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can install m/s office on it ?
i'm going to get the cd today

any free cd offer by microsoft m'sia ?
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yes...windows vista support Microsoft Office 2003
windows vista beta 1 is come with DVD version...coz the installation take 2.74GB...so only DVD can put it into... Microsoft does not free Widows Vista CD...xcep you are MSDN members or Microsoft beta operating system member
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then i will wait for beta 2
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er... don care la... as long as its good then can liao lo..
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can my rig support this Vista....
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Apparently there's no NDA for Beta 1 so chat away folks.
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Wah lau, M$ is going to rebrand RSS: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/76104/microsof...rebranding.html
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http://www.betanews.com/article/Scoble_MS_..._RSS/1124387204
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In an interview with IDG, Microsoft technical evangelist Robert Scoble said that Microsoft has never had plans to rebrand RSS, and was trying to work with the community to build some consensus on how RSS should be referred to within Windows Vista and Internet Explorer 7.

The spat over RSS began following the release of IE7 Beta 1, in which Microsoft dubbed the technology: "Web feeds." The move sparked an outcry from a number of technology enthusiasts, including RSS co-creator Dave Winer.

But is the fight over the naming of RSS within Windows Vista much ado about nothing? RSS is referred to as "live bookmarks" in Mozilla's Firefox browser, Bloglines and Newsgator call them "feeds," and most blogging software refer to the technology as "syndication," Mike Torres, Lead Program Manager for MSN Space, noted in his Web log.

It has different names on different browser, I don't see any problem with MS using a different name for it. Average users that wants dumbed down and gimmicky words... whilst you and I might understand RSS feeds I'm sure the thousands of aunts and uncles out there would much rather have a name like "Web Feeds" or "Live Bookmarks" than more techno-babble acronyms.
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guys, are there any drivers for creative SB live?

more detail: i tried dl-ing the drivers, but it can't detect my card now >< do i need to cabut d card and use my onboard? but how? i mean it wont suddenly magically detect rite?

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guys, are there any drivers for creative SB live?

more detail: i tried dl-ing the drivers, but it can't detect my card now >< do i need to cabut d card and use my onboard? but how? i mean it wont suddenly magically detect rite?
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yeah. i did exactly that and the thing works fine now. wonder y it cant detect my card..
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It's not only you. All the other SB Live users are facing the same thing. There are workarounds (not 100% perfect though). Didn't read the workarounds since not using one. I can find out for you though (and for the other shy testers in LY.net with SB Live) laugh.gif
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wahh..not bad...vista komanwel in bukit jalil release new windows vista???cool.....or did microsoft cetak rompak vista from vista komanwel??i wonder??

but personally...the name sux.....windows longhorn is nicer....
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QUOTE(vickyrao @ Aug 26 2005, 06:34 PM)
wahh..not bad...vista komanwel in bukit jalil release new windows vista???cool.....or did microsoft cetak rompak vista from vista komanwel??i wonder??

but personally...the name sux.....windows longhorn is nicer....
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Stop commenting about the name la sweat.gif
Longhorn is the codename and Vista is the official name, it's the fact already

The name itself doesn't imply in any way how the system performs, or looks like
Would people refrain from using Windows Vista just because its name sucks? I doubt
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where can i get a preview for the beta version
er...mayb the original beta test version
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QUOTE(kelvin9986 @ Sep 3 2005, 11:51 AM)
where can i get a preview for the beta version
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QUOTE(asellus @ Sep 3 2005, 02:18 PM)
Well, try applying at http://beta.microsoft.com and cross your fingers.
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thx...
hope can get...
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yawn.gif it isnt stable enough... always crash coz of little fault..

anyway... any vista tester here mind to share what's ur soundcard?
my xwave4000 is down.. gonna replace new soundcard n bigger ram..

n ... nero.. supported?
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Probably it will be easier to be part of the Vista beta in Beta 2 (or you can go for the CPP (customer preview program).

Vista is working fine for me, and my sound card was a Creative SoundBlaster (I just changed PC, so I'm selling this sound card...) which worked on Vista.

Yes, Nero is supported on Vista.

If possible, direct all your Vista issues to the official NG (if you got it from MSDN, post your issues in the public NG at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=42486
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QUOTE(ckhoong @ Sep 3 2005, 09:43 PM)
yawn.gif it isnt stable enough... always crash coz of little fault..

anyway... any vista tester here mind to share what's ur soundcard?
my xwave4000 is down.. gonna replace new soundcard n bigger ram..

n ... nero.. supported?
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my fren using both xp n vista on his notebook
it looks greaty....
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MS Vista ig going to sell its OS for a low [price.

http://www.vistaknowledge.com/news/article...ly_less_than_xp
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QUOTE(deus_ex_machina @ Sep 5 2005, 09:57 AM)
MS Vista ig going to sell its OS for a low [price.

http://www.vistaknowledge.com/news/article...ly_less_than_xp
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if it is true, i think more user will buy the original version biggrin.gif (OEM for USD60-70?!?!)
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QUOTE(deus_ex_machina @ Sep 6 2005, 11:34 AM)
Vista hardware requirements clarified: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry360.html
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Source: http://news.com.com/Microsofts+leaner+appr...l?tag=nefd.lede

Microsoft is talking up support for hardware-based security in Windows Vista, though only a sliver of the company's original plan will make it into the operating system.

Three years ago Microsoft unveiled Palladium, renamed Next-Generation Secure Computing Base after the original name became tainted with controversy over privacy and fair-use issues and because another company claimed rights to the Palladium name. The technology was to be part of the next Windows release.

NGSCB promised to boost PC security by using hardware and software that would allow parts of a computer to be isolated from malicious code such as viruses and worms. It also would foil attacks that use logging devices by encrypting data as it moves between a PC's hardware components. NGSCB required significant changes to hardware and software.

In May 2004, following criticism from software makers, Microsoft said it was retooling NGSCB so some of the benefits would be available without the need to recode applications. The company has been silent on the plan since, though it insists NGSCB is not dead. Instead, its delivery is still to be determined, according to Microsoft's Web site.

Now Microsoft is busy telling hardware and software makers about Secure Startup in Windows Vista, which it says is the "first delivery" on its hardware-based security plan. Vista, previously known by its code name, Longhorn, is the next client release of Windows due on store shelves in time for the next year's holiday shopping season.

Secure Startup is primarily designed to prevent laptop thieves and other unauthorized users with physical access to a computer from getting access to the data on the system. Nearly half of all enterprises had laptops stolen, causing $4.1 million in damage, according to a January survey by the Computer Security Institute and the FBI.

"The number one goal is to prevent attackers from using software tools to get at information that is at rest on the hard drive," Stephen Heil, a technical evangelist at Microsoft said in a presentation at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco last week.

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Yet another summary of Nigel Page's discussion on Vista hardware reqs. I think this version is clearer because the summary categorises the hardware.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/

I understand that this is not official and probably only a speculation, but isn't the hardware reqs a bit over the top for something that will be released around xmas this year?

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my windows can have a transperancy view coz my Graphics card 128mb ATI readon 9200se are not LDDM (Longhorn Display Driver Model) so i cant get the full aero feature
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It still chugs with Aero on my 3.2Ghz 1GB X800 pro system. Haven't installed the soundmax drivers yet, most probably tonight. Did you access the newsgroups yet kevin ? I post mostly there, a bit lazy to use the Beta Client.
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If an X800 runs modestly, how badly does it perfom to Kevin's 9200?

Anymore reviews or comments from anyone else using Vista?

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if we change windows XP to this new windows, i think we gonna trhow away our pc now and buy a new one. minimum requirement for RAM is 512.. oh man.. and the graphic is just breath taking.. and this new windows is gonna launch next year.. what should we do then? buy new pc?
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If an X800 runs modestly, how badly does it perfom to Kevin's 9200?
Anymore reviews or comments from anyone else using Vista?
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It's always like this. Software (with next-gen supporting features) will be released on current hardware that can run it "fine", but runs "best" on next-gen hardware. It drives the market.

Anyway. Beta 1 is not focused on performance/eye candy. That's what Beta 2 is for.

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I think i will wait till the tech(Sata2, DDR2, PCI-E) is stable enough, as well as the price... before changing into 1...
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QUOTE(Eoma @ Sep 10 2005, 02:24 PM)
It's always like this. Software (with next-gen supporting features) will be released on current hardware that can run it "fine", but runs "best" on next-gen hardware. It drives the market.

Anyway. Beta 1 is not focused on performance/eye candy. That's what Beta 2 is for.
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But the range between 9200 and X800 is a lot. And as an OS I'd expect them to design it to run best at current mid-range cards, like the X800...so when I saw that you said it was sluggish, I expected the 9200 to be able to run at plain graphics settings only...

But I guess if they are not testing for graphics for this beta version it would be too soon to get reliable reports on the performance of GPUs.

But I still can't get used to the idea of an OS needing such powerful hardware...it is only an OS after all...where the design is more important than eye-candy...
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recently M$ did a student tech ed in gold coast near my house, wah lau siap bagi free bus, meal, and night xbox party somemore!

there they talk about dystopia, the HL2 mod, and some marketing stuff, as well as vista. and this is what the dude said about vista's requirements:


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"In a 32 bit environment, half a gig of RAM is heaps. It's going to fly. For 64 bit you're going to want 2 gigs of DDR3 RAM.

"If you move from 32 to 64 bit, you basically need to at least double your memory. 2 gigs in 64 bit is the equivalent of a gig of RAM on a 32bit machine. That's because you're dealing with chunks that are twice the size... if you try to make do with what you've got you'll see less performance. But RAM is now so cheap, it's hardly an issue.


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"The GPU will need a plenty of room to operate in Vista. The more memory you put on a video card the better really. We want the least dumping back to main memory because that's slower than graphics. If you have 128MB that's good, if you have 256MB that's better, but I expect that video card memory will go up a lot when Longhorn is released.


remember that you can't really judge vista based on beta 1, since it's not really vista and there arent that many programs specifically for it.
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You guys are missing the point. Most of the system requirements that they suggested is needed if you are going to run the Aero Glass theme (you know, the transparancy theme?). For slower machines, just disable all the fancy fancy things that Windows gives, and your machine should be good to go.

But yes, the RAM needs to be 512MB, although I have seen 256MB machines run fine with Vista.
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I think they forgot the Super Windows Vista Ultimate Alpha EX 2 version
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can my rig support vista
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Vista thread come alive again, Windows Vista build 5219 is out... though it is not Beta2 but got some new feature, like sidebar is back

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This is an article I wrote about the upcoming Windows Vista.

The new Windows will be called Windows Vista. From now on the name Longhorn will not be used by Microsoft anymore, but it's possible that you'll encounter the name Longhorn in the two upcoming beta's.

This article contains information about how Windows Vista will handle 2D and 3D graphics and information about Vista's new features.

Vista uses the Windows Graphics Foundation, or WGF. WGF 1.0 will use DirectX 9.0c as its primary interface, but Vista will also have the Next-Gen 3D API build in. You can see it as DirectX 10, but it's officially called WGF 2.0.

One of the important features of WGF is the Longhorn Display Driver Model (LDDM). It is possible with LDDM to install a new graphics driver without even rebooting your system. LDDM will ship in two stages. The first, called basic, supports current generation graphics hardware: shader model 2.0 and 3.0 capable hardware. The second stage of LDDM, advanced, will support hardware features that ship at the same time or after Vista is released, but will work with the new features in WGF 2.0. Because of the competitive way of graphics hardware development, we'll probably see advanced LDDM capable hardware before Vista is released. The current Windows XP driver model is still supported, but will be frozen going forward.

Advantages of Vista above XP:
- run more than 15 graphical applications (applications that use both 2d and 3d graphics and use 100% of your CPU) at the same time instead of 2
- complete control manager to optimize system resources
- every window in Vista is a 3D surface (when opening My Computer you're actually watching an interactive 3D texture)
- applications can be bigger than graphic card memory currently allows (advanced VRAM simulation)
- split your monitor into four pieces and play games at the same time while listening to your favourite music with Winamp, watching a movie with Windows Media Player and posting spam on forums
- Vista uses DirectX (WGF) to draw the Windows Desktop
- you are able to rotate your windows in a 3D way, so you can push it to the background, put it upside down or squeeze it in a corner. This way you'll be able to have more windows on your screen at the same time
- Vista supports up to 160 open windows at the same time
- there are four different graphic modes for Vista (2GB/256MB/128MB/64MB textures)
- new motherboard BIOS'es will be integrated into Vista itself
- some of the BIOS settings can be changed within Windows and you won't even have to reboot to apply the new settings
- with XP, users got a lot of freedom to configure and tweak their system but Microsoft says that with Vista the 'more advanced' users will get the freedom to customize and tweak even more features of Windows that weren't possible in XP

Now some very important info about gaming on Vista:
- there will be NO graphical difference between an ATI or nVidia card anymore, the only difference will be overall performance
- WGF 2.0 allows GPU processing without CPU intervention
- The Xbox 360 uses some of the technology Vista will use to handle games on the PC

If you want to play a game, Vista will disable every component of your computer that isn't needed by the graphical interface and unloads the Windows Desktop (it's like running a game in MSDOS).

While it's true that the graphics technology for Vista is very advanced, it's also true that Microsoft is trying to have a wide array of hardware specifications. By the time Vista actually ships, almost every new PC should be able to support the user interface and Windows Graphics Foundation.

That doesn't mean users will need GeForce 6800 Ultras or comparable cards. As we've seen, the user interface will support four different qualities, the most basic should even run on most of today's hardware. If you want the full Vista experience, you'll want a heavy system and graphics hardware, and lots of memory.

Windows Vista will most probably be released in the second half of 2006.

Important:
- Don't think of buying a computer today and use it to run Vista next year on the highest settings
- Memory is the most important component for future computing (graphics and system memory)

Beta 1 minimum requirements:
400 MHz processor
64 MB memory
4 MB videomemory
5400 RPM harddisk

Beta 2 requirements for software developers and beta testers (speculation):
3.4 GHz processor
1.5 GB memory
1 GB videomemory with WGF 2.0 support
10000 RPM harddisk 8 MB cache

The Beta 2 requirements are ONLY for software and graphics developers that will test their software by using the beta's.

Update 1: VISTA CHANGES PC INTO GAME-CONSOLE
Dean Lester, the General Manager of Windows Graphics and Gaming says Microsoft is making the gaming-functionality of Windows Vista the same as a modern game-console, but wants to keep the advantages of PC gaming like high-end graphics and sound hardware, online communities, community support and downloadable content.

Update 2: COMPUTERS WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS
Microsoft is working together with nVidia, ATI, AMD and Intel to develop pre-configured computers with different levels, low, mid and high range hardware-configurations for different sales prices. PC's with a certain configuration of CPU, videocard and memory will be split in different levels. Because of this, choosing a PC for gaming gets a lot easier, because fast computers will get a higher level. The system requirements on game-packages will have a level requirement, so you can see if the level of your computer is high enough to handle a game.

Update 3: EASY TO USE
With Vista Microsoft wants to eliminate the long installation procedures that PC games have. Installing and playing a game should be as easy as with a console. They too are developing a special driver manager, so you won't have any problems with different drivers. This means no problems with flickering textures, stuttering and crashing anymore, because the drivers will be fully controled by the graphics interface and because of this system nVidia and ATI can develop and test their drivers for problems within a few seconds. Updating drivers and BIOS'es will get a lot easier because Windows Update will get a special feature that automatically checks if your hardware is up to date and automatically updates your drivers, BIOS'es, the Vista graphics interface and even updates for the most important feature of Vista, WGF 2.0.

Update 4: FUTURE GRAPHICS
Microsoft is going to implement Pixel and Vertex Shader 4.0 support into the new graphics interface, so in the near future after Vista is released there doesn't have to be another newer version of WGF to be released. Epic has announced that their Unreal 3 Engine will support future pixel and vertex shader versions that are going to be implemented when the Unreal 3 Engine is near completion.

Update 5: SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS AND RESOURCE USAGE
Vista uses a lot of memory, but it uses it for a good reason. Vista doesn't even have loading times when you're using Explorer, Internet Explorer or any other primary Windows component. The big amount of memory thats being used isn't just for the textures but it contains every important file thats needed by Explorer when running a primary Windows application. When you start a game, the Vista graphics interface immediately unloads everything out of the memory that isn't needed by your 'game hardware' (video, sound and physics card) such as the 3D Windows Desktop. Users are able to change the way Vista reacts when they boot up a game or 3D application. WGF is fully customizable to your own needs. For example, you can keep the Windows Desktop loaded and play a game at the same time, or if you have a fast system run both in split screen. To do all this fast loading and unloading you need to have fast memory and ofcourse a fast harddisk. But here's the problem. The harddisks we use today are far too slow (12000 RPM is not fast enough) and will be a huge bottleneck when loading huge amounts of files into the memory. That's why Microsoft and Samsung are working on a new Hybrid hard drive that will use 1 GB flash memory as a buffer. They want to take part of the load of the spinning drive and to lower loading times and boot times drastically. Vista will fully support this technology. Microsoft and Samsung are still working on a way to unload files very fast from the harddisks flash memory. Next year Microsoft will start a huge marketing campaign for new hardware they are developing and they will give an update on the development of the Hybrid harddisk. When using a Hybrid harddisk in a mid-range computer of today (2 GHz, 1 GB RAM) you will have boot-times of about 5-10 seconds. Imagine how fast a high-end PC in late 2006 will be.

Update 6: ICONS
In Vista icons will be completely changed. Documents don't have a icon anymore that shows the file-type, but it shows the first page of the document. Folder-icons will show you the inside files by using 3D technology. You'll see the files coming forward in a slideshow while you're watching the folder.

Update 7: STABILITY
Vista will be the most stable OS ever. Microsoft admitted that it had problems with stability with Windows ME and XP (without SP), but they really are making work of making Vista unbelievably stable. Microsoft even has made three special teams that researched Vista and future technologies for two years. After Vista is released, Microsoft doesn't even have to release any updates to make Vista stable, because Vista manages itself automatically and disables processes that can make your computer unstable and are unneeded by the applications you're running.

Update 8: SECURITY
Vista will have a better internet security. Instead of using very advanced ways to protect your computer, they're using somewhat primitive ways to keep users away from your harddisk. For example, Vista is able to completely halt every type of data transfer from your computer to any hardware component and is able to pause your internet connection when there is happening something suspicious. Microsoft is developing software together with Symantec (Norton Antivirus) to detect virusses the moment they reach your harddisk. Vista will be able to quarantine certain parts of the harddisk and make sure a virus gets automatically removed (using Norton Antivirus).

Update 9: HARDWARE FOR VISTA
Some hardware will be specially made for Vista. Before Vista will be released in 2006, Microsoft will start the biggest marketing campaign ever, not just for the most advanced piece of software ever developed by more than 80.000 people (not only Microsoft), but also for the hardware that will be developed especially for Vista. As you've read before, there will be special harddrives, but there will also be special videocards that will have to work constantly at 100%, extra fast memory and new dual-core processors to support the new multi-application technology Vista uses. For Vista Hyperthreading is a old technology. Vista will take full advantage of it, but compared to the new technologies of the processors that are being developed it doesn't really help at all. There also will be newer soundcards to support the high sound quality that is possible when Vista is released. All hardware manufacturers are doing their best to get their new hardware finished before Vista is released. Microsoft promised that the prices won't go trough the roof.

Update 10: MULTIPLE INTERNET CONNECTIONS
Vista supports a new technology that has been developed. With this technology you're able to use multiple internet connections (max 4) at the same time. For example: You have an DSL internet connection with a download speed of 100Kb/sec and a cable inter net connection of 80 Kb/sec. And you're downloading a file from a different user who has an upload speed of 140 Kb/sec. When you're using those two internet connections, the DSL connection starts to download 100KB/sec and the left 40 Kb/sec gets downloaded by the cable connection. This means you'll always be downloading at top speed, as long as you can afford multiple internet connections. Because of this you're able to play up to four different games at the same time online with just one internet connection.

Update 11: COPY PROTECTION
Microsoft has teamed up with Disney and a lot of different music labels to improve copy protection for movies, music and software using digital rights management functionality in Vista. Microsoft said they will use heavy copy protection schemes, so users won't be able to copy digital media. This may scare of a lot of consumers, but Microsoft doesn't worry about that, because eventually everyone will go Vista (their words).

Update 12: VISTA AND THE XBOX 360
Microsoft has announced that the Xbox 360 controller will work on Windows Vista too. They did this because they want the game mode of Vista to be an upgraded version of the Xbox 360. The Xbox 360 and Vista both will use a new technology that makes games run at the fastest speed possible. Because Microsoft is the 'leader' of the Xbox and Windows, they made it possible to connect your Xbox to your PC and download special content and updates for your games, without having to subscribe anything. The Xbox 360 uses the new multiple internet connections technology seen in Update 10. Downloading files can take some time, but thats not a problem anymore, because now you can play a game offline or online and download certain files at the same time. This is one of the advantages over the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Revolution. The XBox 360 has a lot more advantages, but the reason for all of that is the company that's behind the Xbox, Microsoft, the most powerful software company in the world. They made sure Sony and Nintendo couldn't make use of these new Windows technologies. So if you want compatibility between your console and your PC you'll have to buy a Xbox 360. It looks like Microsoft again has found a way to eliminate the competition.

Update 13: GAME ENGINE, API AND VIDEOCARD ARCHITECTURE
As you've read before, Vista will use its own API to handle 2D and 3D graphics. Microsoft knows that this will cause a lot of compatibility problems and thats why they are talking to the videocard manufacturers. The new videocards ofcourse need to support the new graphics system and the manufacturers have to adjust their videocards' architecture so it will take full advantage of Vista. Because of this the support for OpenGL won't be as good anymore, because all the new videocards will be specialized in WGF graphics. Because of the new WGF technology, game engines need to be adapted to Vista as well. This means, that engines that will be used in the near future, like the Doom 3, Source and Unreal 3 Engine, will have to be fully compatible with WGF and the new videocard architecture.

Update 14: VISTA AND G70 VIDEOCARDS
The 7800 GTX and all other upcoming G70 videocards support the Vista 3D Desktop Engine. The G70 videocards also are fully optimized for WGF 1.0 and LDDM. Because the G70 cards support LDDM, VISTA will take control of the videocard's BIOS and driver. This means that Vista will automatically be able to change settings for optimal gaming performance. The LDDM feature is a part of WinSat (Update 15). The G70 videocards don't support WGF 2.0, but this technology won't be used in the near future. With a G70 videocard you don't have to worry about using Vista, because you'll only get advantages.

Update 15: OPTIMIZATIONS
As you've read before, Vista will have a game mode which will bring gaming on the PC to new levels. Gaming will be the same as on a gameconsole. No bugs, crashes, slow loading times or stutters anymore. This is possible because Vista will use a lot of new technologies that have been under development for years. WinSat (Windows System Assessment Tool) is one of those technologies. WinSat is a sort of benchmarking tool which analyzes your system's hardware and generates a score for every critical component in your computer. It gives your processor, memory, videocard and harddisk a score and with those scores Vista will find a balance between the different components and will make sure that no piece of hardware is a bottleneck. This means that if your videocard is too fast for the CPU, the left over power of the videocard (which is being bottlenecked) will be used for background services. You can choose between two optimization modes; general office applications and games. Vista has another useful feature which hasn't been named yet. When you boot up your computer this feature will detect if there is a hardware change. If there is a change it will rebuild the hardware configuration. With this feature it will be possible to replace a motherboard without any driver issues.

Almost none of these features are available in Vista Beta 1, but will be integrated into Beta 2.

Rembember: Microsoft said they are trying to get all of these features into the final version of Vista in 2006. They don't guarantee anything.


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the requirements scared me..although i;m using laptop, i;ll upgraded to 1gb of ram, but will not enough since my graphic card is low.. or, embedded in the mobo ...i donno..
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seen the preview today at Microsoft TechNet/MSDN Briefing at sunway conventional center.. its looks fantastic!!.. jz the requirement is really hard for ppl to jump to in short
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vista? just like a name of condominium or an apartment i guess....better be longhorn.. smile.gif
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3.4 GHz processor
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10000 RPM harddisk 8 MB cache

If this is true, then OMG....97% of the computers today will be obsolete very soon sweat.gif
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Update 7: STABILITY
Vista will be the most stable OS ever. Microsoft admitted that it had problems with stability with Windows ME and XP (without SP), but they really are making work of making Vista unbelievably stable. Microsoft even has made three special teams that researched Vista and future technologies for two years. After Vista is released, Microsoft doesn't even have to release any updates to make Vista stable, because Vista manages itself automatically and disables processes that can make your computer unstable and are unneeded by the applications you're running.
Ha-ha...

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Update 8: SECURITY
Vista will have a better internet security. Instead of using very advanced ways to protect your computer, they're using somewhat primitive ways to keep users away from your harddisk. For example, Vista is able to completely halt every type of data transfer from your computer to any hardware component and is able to pause your internet connection when there is happening something suspicious. Microsoft is developing software together with Symantec (Norton Antivirus) to detect virusses the moment they reach your harddisk. Vista will be able to quarantine certain parts of the harddisk and make sure a virus gets automatically removed (using Norton Antivirus).
HA-Ha-Ha...

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Update 10: MULTIPLE INTERNET CONNECTIONS
Vista supports a new technology that has been developed. With this technology you're able to use multiple internet connections (max 4) at the same time. For example: You have an DSL internet connection with a download speed of 100Kb/sec and a cable inter net connection of 80 Kb/sec. And you're downloading a file from a different user who has an upload speed of 140 Kb/sec. When you're using those two internet connections, the DSL connection starts to download 100KB/sec and the left 40 Kb/sec gets downloaded by the cable connection. This means you'll always be downloading at top speed, as long as you can afford multiple internet connections. Because of this you're able to play up to four different games at the same time online with just one internet connection.
Is that for long term!?! ROTFLOL...

Good effort though...

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Rembember: Microsoft said they are trying to get all of these features into the final version of Vista in 2006. They don't guarantee anything.

REMEMBER...

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just get the vista theme for xp enough d lar....at least u hv a good start tongue.gif
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i have jus installed Vista 5219 yesterday and the whole afternoon today im testing out the Vista 5219
New feature>Flip 3D - line up all ur open up windows by pressing Windows Key + Spacebar for once...
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now u jus move ur curser to the taskbar n the ballon will appear wat r the windows doing...
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This build i think u need a P4 3.4GHz and 1GB ram to run it smoothly

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Wow...From the looks of it Vista really is cool. Although the requirements might be scary now, but in near future it might be a norm.
I can't wait to try this out when it's released. thumbup.gif
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Are we being controlled by microsoft by paying software assurance?Pls refer to the link below for informations.
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopic...,104643,00.html
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Moved from RWI to Software.

-merged with MS Vista thread-

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is there any ppl have question with Vista? if have, try to post at here n i will try to reply u with answer...thx
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QUOTE(kevinchlee @ Sep 28 2005, 06:22 PM)
is there any ppl have question with Vista? if have, try to post at here n i will try to reply u with answer...thx
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What display card are you using?
I'm using FX5200 and it seems that the 75.03 LDDM driver that I downloaded from the nvidia website couldn't work

It said cannot find a compatible device for the driver.
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Can anyone tell me when is the Longhorn OS going to be available? And does it support AMD64 bit rig?
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QUOTE(jassonvolt88 @ Oct 5 2005, 03:58 PM)
Can anyone tell me when is the Longhorn OS going to be available? And does it support AMD64 bit rig?
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Vista will arrive sometime in Sep 2006. And yes 64-bit versions are planned.
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Can anyone tell me when is the Longhorn OS going to be available? And does it support AMD64 bit rig?
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yup...microsoft is going launch Windows Vista on 2006 and yes...it will be available in 64bit tooo...
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i had install in D drive, C is XP. How to remove Vista from my pc?
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QUOTE(feizaiII @ Oct 7 2005, 09:40 AM)
i had install in D drive, C is XP. How to remove Vista from my pc?
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Very briefly:

Delete/format Vista from D.
Boot using your WinXP CD.
Choose recovery console
Enter command : fixmbr

Please read up more on Google if you're unsure.
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QUOTE(feizaiII @ Oct 7 2005, 09:40 AM)
i had install in D drive, C is XP. How to remove Vista from my pc?
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Eoma tis way also can be use but a little bit MAFAN...coz sometime after recovery it, many program cant run...there is another way uses by mostly user..
1) Format D drive (vista)
2) restart ur pc n log in to xp
3) right-click on My Computer>properties> select Advanced> select Settings below Startup and Recovery...
4) on the Default Operating system choose back "Microsoft Windows XP......."
5) click on Edit button and paste this
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[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
6)close it n click save when windows ask
7)now click ok to close System properties n restart ur pc
it should work fine

QUOTE(samurai1337 @ Oct 1 2005, 11:40 PM)
What display card are you using?
I'm using FX5200 and it seems that the 75.03 LDDM driver that I downloaded from the nvidia website couldn't work

It said cannot find a compatible device for the driver.
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im using 128mb Readon 9200SE...my display card is not LDDM driver but i using old version of TweakVista to enable transperancy....FX5200 is LDDM driver, u try to download nVidia Display Drivers 75.03 LDDM from nvidia website again n install it...after install, restart ur pc, if after restart ur pc still cant get the effect, try to use TweakVista...
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QUOTE(kevinchlee @ Oct 7 2005, 02:09 PM)
im using 128mb Readon 9200SE...my display card is not LDDM driver but i using old version of TweakVista to enable transperancy....FX5200 is LDDM driver, u try to download nVidia Display Drivers 75.03 LDDM from nvidia website again n install it...after install, restart ur pc, if after restart ur pc still cant get the effect, try to use TweakVista...
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It doesn't even allow me to continue the installation, it said my card not compatible
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The fixmbr command just reinstalls the XP bootloader (a short 2-3 minute procedure), it doesn't touch the installation of Windows XP.
Essentially it achieves steps 2-6.

This post has been edited by Eoma: Oct 7 2005, 07:44 PM
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The news has been around, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer says the development process at Microsoft has to change after Windows Vista. The time between releases is just too long, and Microsoft has to show profit to keep shareholders happy. Some say the Redmond empire is due for a slow collapse, but I think there exists an amazing opportunity.

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QUOTE(sampride @ Oct 10 2005, 01:16 AM)
The news has been around, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer says the development process at Microsoft has to change after Windows Vista. The time between releases is just too long, and Microsoft has to show profit to keep shareholders happy. Some say the Redmond empire is due for a slow collapse, but I think there exists an amazing opportunity.

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you wont know
maybe m$ may change their mind to open source

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merged the "free vista" thread with longhorn thread. smile.gif
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wow.....
is that real??!!
free windows for the next coming latest version?!

if it is not free, hope the OS can be sell cheaper to asian people, heh heh!

overall, windows OS are more friendly and easy to manage for most user, like hardware tuning, install / uninstall programme.

i had hardtime while using suse linux. linux was a good programme, but the location for hardware and software management not so familiar..hehe!!
need to spend alots time to do more research on it!

Pc system are more economical than machintosh. advantage was PC system can use both Oses, window and linux hehe!!! dunno machintoch can or not!

also, most programme are widely design for windows, likes CADs, and others programme. of course need to purchase for those expansive software like autodesk product, very costly, wish they willr duce the price hehe... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(samurai1337 @ Oct 7 2005, 02:35 PM)
It doesn't even allow me to continue the installation, it said my card not compatible
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urs display card how many mb? u try to use TweakVista ver 23/7/2005 to enable it...it works the same...

new vista pre-beta2 build 5231 screenshots coming soon...i will test out the build n have some screenshot on here...
features: - Windows Media player 11, new System Properties, new Network UI, New Sidebar UI...

QUOTE(Eoma @ Oct 7 2005, 07:43 PM)
The fixmbr command just reinstalls the XP bootloader (a short 2-3 minute procedure), it doesn't touch the installation of Windows XP.
Essentially it achieves steps 2-6.
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sry...i think to u ask he/she to recovery...

screenshots of Windows Vista 5219...
http://s10.invisionfree.com/SMKAAForum/ind...hp?showtopic=88

screenshot of windows vista 5231 also will post it at my school forum...


Edit: 4 consecutive posts merged. Please learn to use the multiquote function and/or edit your post.

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the 5219 is more stable then previous version.. no crashed at the moment.. but no game supported... ati vista catalysis installation failed.. windows media player 11 lag during multitasking...


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ckhoong: are you sure it is build 5219 that you're talking about? in build 5219 it's still Windows Media Player 10 rather than 11

Or it was 5231 that you were trying to say?

Anyway, I've upgraded my card to ATI Radeon 9550 GT, hopefully it will run smoother...But will try it once I got 5231
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does the 5231 work on a 32 bit computer??

planning to install it....but i dont have a 64 bit computer....

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QUOTE(lokgotz @ Oct 14 2005, 12:27 AM)
does the 5231 work on a 32 bit computer??

planning to install it....but i dont have a 64 bit computer....

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QUOTE(lokgotz @ Oct 14 2005, 12:27 AM)
does the 5231 work on a 32 bit computer??

planning to install it....but i dont have a 64 bit computer....

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available in 2 version which is 32 and 64 bit
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how do i check which version i have?

i have the dvd now...but not yet install...
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if the DVD tat u currently have is from Microsoft MSDN...when u install...the setup will auto detect ur pc weter is 32 or 64 and it will install itself with 32 or 64 depend on ur pc...
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Just taken Windows Vista 5231's WMP 11 screenie
Version 11 even though the logo still hasn't changed yet
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okok...thanks.......

1 more question....if i install vista over my xp now.....can i restore it to xp if i am not happy with it??
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okok...thanks.......

1 more question....if i install vista over my xp now.....can i restore it to xp if i am not happy with it??
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You can configure dual boot.
Make an empty partition (10GB will do), and install your Vista into that partition.
Both OS can exist together
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QUOTE(lokgotz @ Oct 15 2005, 10:55 PM)
okok...thanks.......

1 more question....if i install vista over my xp now.....can i restore it to xp if i am not happy with it??
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u means u wan to upgrade from XP to Vista n restore from Vista to XP? i din try b4 but i don think so it can, altou can, mayb ur xp system not work fine to u
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QUOTE(samurai1337 @ Oct 13 2005, 11:27 PM)
ckhoong: are you sure it is build 5219 that you're talking about? in build 5219 it's still Windows Media Player 10 rather than 11

Or it was 5231 that you were trying to say?

Anyway, I've upgraded my card to ATI Radeon 9550 GT, hopefully it will run smoother...But will try it once I got 5231
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sorry.. my misunderstanding.. it is actuary ver10.. sweat.gif
anyway do u experence the player lagging when multitasking? the vista doesnt allow me to install any other vesion of wmp
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windows vista?? how about longhorn? I'm really blur liow. Izzit for 64 bit processor? can i get it now?
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windows vista?? how about longhorn? I'm really blur liow. Izzit for 64 bit processor? can i get it now?
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last week a microsoft ppl came 2 my school n demonstrate windows Vista and visual studio 2005 .net
they said both of the products will release on end of december

btw...here r some goodies dat i wanna share wif u guys...
click this link to try the visual studio 2005 .net, but LITE mode only lar n the features r limited.

happy coding thumbup.gif


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i've download this windows vista but dunno how to install it.. anyone can teach me? i tried using bios to boot, but cant detect. and there is no product key. how to install??
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last week a microsoft ppl came 2 my school n demonstrate windows Vista and visual studio 2005 .net
they said both of the products will release on end of december
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QUOTE(yingchai @ Oct 21 2005, 10:58 PM)
last week a microsoft ppl came 2 my school n demonstrate windows Vista and visual studio 2005 .net
they said both of the products will release on end of december
yeap.. i heard bout that too.. vs 2005 .net, but not sure bout vista, nway try surf this
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/07/vista_hardware_reqs/

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i've download this windows vista but dunno how to install it.. anyone can teach me? i tried using bios to boot, but cant detect. and there is no product key. how to install??
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ur file izit .iso? u need a tool named "Virtual CD control Tool for xp" n u mount ur .iso file with this program...n u will find out there is 1 virtual cd rom on ur My Computer...double click it to open the iso as cd rom...then install it...there is a Vista Public Product key...u can try to search it with google.

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hey guys. i had read review from other website about new windows vista, wonder when it will reach malaysia?
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IE 7 is indeed much better than its previous version (6 SP1) though I still much more prefer Mozilla Firefox.
QUOTE(unstoppable @ Oct 29 2005, 02:57 AM)
hey guys. i had read review from other website about new windows vista, wonder when it will reach malaysia?
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final Vista version will b on Q3 2006...if u guys wan to know more about vista? pls goto www.winsupersite.com
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I'm using Vista Pack 2(transform your windows xp to vista) made by Mr.Windows X,it's pretty nice.
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Jason7fd mind posting some screenie and share the exe?


Edit: My apologies. Misread and got mixed up with the post below..

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sorry...misread...btw u can search with google

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Wasn't areankim asking for the Vista Pack Desktop Mod ? That's not illegal is it ?
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=5113842
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So Windows Vista a good news for AMD 64 users since it is 64-bit operating system.. Wonder if the performance will be doubled (everything done in less half the time use to convert videos, mp3.. etc.. in Windows 32-bit)
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So Windows Vista a good news for AMD 64 users since it is 64-bit operating system.. Wonder if the performance will be doubled (everything done in less half the time use to convert videos, mp3.. etc.. in Windows 32-bit)
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hey..dont you know how to spell microsoft??hehe
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So Windows Vista a good news for AMD 64 users since it is 64-bit operating system.. Wonder if the performance will be doubled (everything done in less half the time use to convert videos, mp3.. etc.. in Windows 32-bit)


i thought vista is also available in 32bit flavour? anyway, the recommended spec to run vista 64bit is almost twice as much as the 32bit brother accordin to microsoft representative speech months ago at australia, especially the RAM.
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QUOTE(fahmi_revenge @ Dec 10 2005, 12:40 AM)
to brasilian
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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Dec 14 2005, 12:22 PM)
i thought vista is also available in 32bit flavour? anyway, the recommended spec to run vista 64bit is almost twice as much as the 32bit brother accordin to microsoft representative speech months ago at australia, especially the RAM.
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my lil screenshot on my test on vista.

user posted image
//large screenshot edited by samurai1337

on initial startup, without any 3rd party software installed, PF usage is already 600MB.

i cant play the 3D chess cuz no driver for my display card. nVidia didn't make it with Beta2 driver hence Beta1 driver isn't compatible with Beta2.

Fool around with Solitaire and Minesweeper. they takes up 100% of my CPU resources to play. Seems like everything even simple games need the LDDM to work properly, or else it'll drag your CPU till you die.

Windows Media Player 11 is cool. with now button is centered.

IE7 Beta in Vista is better than the Beta release for XP i got before.

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Windows Vista will improve search functionality on a PC by letting users tag files with metadata, but those tags could cause unwanted and embarrassing information disclosure, Gartner analysts have warned.

Search and organization capabilities are among the primary features of Windows Vista, the successor to Windows XP due out late in 2006. While building those features, Microsoft is not paying enough attention to managing the descriptive information, or metadata, that users can add to files to make it easier to find and organize data on a PC, according to Gartner.

"This opens up the possibility of the inadvertent disclosure of this metadata to other users inside and outside of your organization," Gartner analysts Michael Silver and Neil MacDonald wrote in a research note published on Thursday.

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=31871
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i will upload my latest Windows Vista Build 5270 ScreenShots on Tonigh... pls come back n check out tonigh this Threat
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samurai:

1) is your vista beta PF usage very high too? i open WMP, IE7, MSN 7.5 + background service and driver all running it reached 1.0+ GB

2) Direct 3D couldn't load correctly, and probably cuz of tat, some animation is lagging. nVidia 75.03 vista driver is not usable in Beta2.

3) how to make a thumbnail like the one u edited for me..LOL

another screenie after LDDM driver is loaded from Vista driver archive, now i can see transparent effect :

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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Dec 24 2005, 03:16 PM)
samurai:

1) is your vista beta PF usage very high too? i open WMP, IE7, MSN 7.5 + background service and driver all running it reached 1.0+ GB

2) Direct 3D couldn't load correctly, and probably cuz of tat, some animation is lagging. nVidia 75.03 vista driver is not usable in Beta2.

3) how to make a thumbnail like the one u edited for me..LOL

another screenie after LDDM driver is loaded from Vista driver archive, now i can see transparent effect :

user posted image
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1., 2., I deleted Vista from my machine, lol...so can't check it for you. But obviously my vista wasn't running that smooth...Probably my hardware spec isn't good enough sad.gif But it was better after I changed my graphic card to 9550GT tongue.gif

3. Use imageshack.us
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which build did u using? the latest 5270 build quite fas depen with prev ver of win vista...n i try to test out with my primary pc P42.8GHz n 256mb ddram running ok and a little bit only crash...
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build 5270 thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
Only problem is some driver not supported in vista.


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i'm using build 5231.

PF usage is seriously scary. in XP only playing high end games only page file will exceed 1GB. in vista normal app already 1GB ++ ... wondering will this improve on official release or not.

i managed to install the LDDM driver and now all the effect is running smoothly, unlike previously. just that the LDDM driver also cant provide proper Direct 3D function. Chess cant be played wif details.
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i'm using build 5231.

PF usage is seriously scary. in XP only playing high end games only page file will exceed 1GB. in vista normal app already 1GB ++ ... wondering will this improve on official release or not.

i managed to install the LDDM driver and now all the effect is running smoothly, unlike previously. just that the LDDM driver also cant provide proper Direct 3D function. Chess cant be played wif details.
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5231 take many memory when running...5270 is faster
im using p4 2.8GHz HT and 256mb ram to test vista 5270...jus a little bit slow when start up...other than tat all run faster than pre build...
then i test out with my another machine which is P4 2.8GHz HT and 1GB ram...is dam dam fast when start up n run other things else...kinda smooth enough...

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many ppl cant enable DWM in vista 5270 by registry key n TweakVista
i found a way to enable it:

old registry:
HKEY_local_machine/Software/Microsoft/DWM
-Animations (dword) (1)
-AnimationsShiftKey (dword) (1)
-Blur (dword) (1)
-Glass (dword) (1)
-UseAlternateButtons (dword) (1)
-CheckMachine (dword) (0)

New registry key:
HKEY_current_user/Software/Microsoft/DWM
-Animations (dword) (1)
-AnimationsShiftKey (dword) (1)
-Blur (dword) (1)
-Glass (dword) (1)
-UseAlternateButtons (dword) (1)
-UseMachineCheck (dword) (0)

after add in those key...jus restart n u will DWM...
pls take note tat CheckMachineTime changed to UseMachineCheck
pls take note tat HKEY_local_machine changed to HKEY_current_user

=================================================

WLM installation cant run in Vista 5270, so try tis:
install WLM beta with other version of OS...den copy MSN Messenger folder in Program Files n paste to Program Files folder in Win Vista
create a shortcut of WLM to Vista desktop n here u go...

//Thread merged

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will Althon 64 3000+ Venice E6 can run Vista smoothly for now version or even final version?
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will Althon 64 3000+ Venice E6 can run Vista smoothly for now version or even final version?
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how many ram did u have...Althon 64 3000+ n 1.5GB ram n not onboard graphics card...tis can run Vista Smooth enough...im not sure with the final version...but i heard tat final version minimum requirement is 4.5GHz/2GB ram/256mb selected graphics card to run final version of vista smooth...
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Vista 5270 ss:
WMP11:
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New Windows Update, windows update now no need go tru ie anymore:
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New Windows Mail, no more Outlook Express:
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Windows Defender, keep ur pc running in good performance:
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New System Properties, no more small fixed system windows:
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New start menu, the user account picture stay half on it:
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New Start Menu Icon, when mouse over a menu, the icon will change:
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New Sound schemes, a bigger n nice look of sound schemes windows:
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new ShutDown menu,the Orange button is let u to save all ur works into memory n shutdown n turn off within few second, when u switch on back, it jus take a few second also...if u wan totally shut it down...u need to click on the arrow bside Lock button n choose shutdown:
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New Remote Assistance, now it jus stand alone app...no need tru Help windows anymore, and u can send a file create by Remote Assistance to ur friend n ur friend jus need to open the file n the Remote Assistance will do the rest to connect to ur pc n take over control:
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New personalization center, let u to change ur personalization of ur desktop:
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New Network Connection Center, it shows up many image to let u know wat actually ur network doing:
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New Internet Explorer, with Tab feature n Multi Web Page View:
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New Help Center, now help center really help than previous version:
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New Desktop right click menu, let u to change the Desktop Icon Size n no more properties at d last menu:
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New Background properties, change ur desktop wallpaper with this new view:
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new control panel, let u easy to find wat really r u need:
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New Color Schemes, u can change the windows frame color by tis:
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new Audio Device, show u the audio connection:
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New Alt+Tab, let u switch to other windows o app easily:
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how many ram did u have...Althon 64 3000+ n 1.5GB ram n not onboard graphics card...tis can run Vista Smooth enough...im not sure with the final version...but i heard tat final version minimum requirement is 4.5GHz/2GB ram/256mb selected graphics card to run final version of vista smooth...
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how about if 1g of KVR ram and 6600GT?
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even my machine below cant run vista smooth. i feel like in slow motion land.
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QUOTE(jiant @ Dec 28 2005, 11:05 PM)
will Althon 64 3000+ Venice E6 can run Vista smoothly for now version or even final version?
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how about if 1g of KVR ram and 6600GT?
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venice E6 is ok for vista.
one thing i feel is that vista require more ram and graphic power + graphic ram to run it smoother. processor don differ much unless you using dual core proc.

1G is just barely enough for normal multi application.

just... "i feel"
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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Dec 29 2005, 10:45 AM)
venice E6 is ok for vista.
one thing i feel is that vista require more ram and graphic power + graphic ram to run it smoother. processor don differ much unless you using dual core proc.

1G is just barely enough for normal multi application.

just... "i feel"
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yup...u r right...i also feel tat too...vista processor not so important, but RAM n Graphics r important...
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are all new windows vista are all inDVD format type ? huh.gif
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I heard that VISTA will include directx 10 which means all those games that come out later will require directx 10 to play on full detail. Since no GPU right now support directx 10 even 7800GTX.....
Also heard those GPU only come out end 2006, guess i wont buy any right now.
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anyone can tell me where to download the windows vista beta version !!!!
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I heard that VISTA will include directx 10 which means all those games that come out later will require directx 10 to play on full detail. Since no GPU right now support directx 10 even 7800GTX.....
Also heard those GPU only come out end 2006, guess i wont buy any right now.
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The latest 5270 build comes with DX10.
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does any1 know wats d minimum n recommended requirement for d windows vista final version?? smile.gif
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does any1 know wats d minimum n recommended requirement for d windows vista final version?? smile.gif
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minimum around 3Ghz,512mb ram,directX graphics.(get tis info from Microsoft windows vista Presentation)
recommended requirement for Final Vista:
4.5GHz,2GB ram,256mb LDDM graphics card...

intel n amd will have new processor when vista final launch...

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QUOTE(woopypooky @ Dec 31 2005, 07:30 PM)
I heard that VISTA will include directx 10 which means all those games that come out later will require directx 10 to play on full detail. Since no GPU right now support directx 10 even 7800GTX.....
Also heard those GPU only come out end 2006, guess i wont buy any right now.
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yup...DirectX 10 come with vista 5270...but im not so sure wit GPU...
don buy any new desktop o laptop machine now coz next year will have a new generation pc...such as fast 64bit pro/cheap RAM price/256mb graphics will b popular...
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the DX10 is still half baked with part of the DX10 is still built from DX9, so there wont be too much difference.

guess they'll launch another version of DX10 later after everything is stable and GC that support DX10 is in mass production. so no need to worry much bout your GC compatibility wif DX10 for the moment.

juz noob. correct me if i'm wrong.
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QUOTE(kevinchlee @ Jan 1 2006, 03:37 PM)
minimum around 3Ghz,512mb ram,directX graphics.(get tis info from Microsoft windows vista Presentation)
recommended requirement for Final Vista:
4.5GHz,2GB ram,256mb LDDM graphics card...

intel n amd will have new processor when vista final launch...
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Wa, very heavy recomended requirement. Then what is the use of AMD64??

I'm using AMD64.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jan 3 2006, 06:41 PM)
Wa, very heavy recomended requirement. Then what is the use of AMD64??

I'm using AMD64.
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AMD definitely require much lower clock speed to achieve the similar performance
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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Jan 3 2006, 06:54 PM)
the PR mentioned is based on intel.
AMD definitely require much lower clock speed to achieve the similar performance
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I'm using AMD 64 Athlon 3200+ which is 2.0Ghz. So can it use windows longhorn when it is realeased?
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jan 3 2006, 07:00 PM)
I'm using AMD 64 Athlon 3200+ which is 2.0Ghz. So can it use windows longhorn when it is realeased?
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depen on ur signature...im very sure tat u r able to run Vista Beta...but im not sure about Final version
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I'm using AMD 64 Athlon 3200+ which is 2.0Ghz. So can it use windows longhorn when it is realeased?
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I heard need a 256 mb gpu to run aero glass function on vista and also min 1Gb ram. Also need a gpu that support at least directx9.0 such as the gefroce 6 series and above. Any amd64 will do.

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I'm using AMD 64 Athlon 3200+ which is 2.0Ghz. So can it use windows longhorn when it is realeased?
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QUOTE(woopypooky @ Jan 5 2006, 03:31 PM)
I heard need a 256 mb gpu to run aero glass function on vista and also min 1Gb ram. Also need a gpu that support at least directx9.0 such as the gefroce 6 series and above. Any amd64 will do.
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256MB is required to run in high resolution mode, eg : > 1600x1200
128MB with DX9 is fine with <1024x768
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MS launched its windows vista website:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx

edit: ohhh.. the 'Sleep' is in the performance feature list... doh.gif

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Wah, Just a GPU need 256MB, chocking.....and 1GB ram for the smoothness.
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MS launched its windows vista website:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx

edit: ohhh.. the 'Sleep' is in the performance feature list...  doh.gif
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ya...tis feature available in Build 5270...jus need to turn off n boot up ur pc for a few seconds only.if u wan to totally shut down it...there is another Option in Start Menu...c my 5270 screenshots then u will know
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Wah, Just a GPU need 256MB, chocking.....and 1GB ram for the smoothness.
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Just installed on my dell d800 ... spec: Centrino 1.3, Ram 640Mb, NVDIA GeForce 4000 32Mb ... Installation was quite long took me around 1 hr ... but after installation vista 5270 could find all my driver ... the performance also ok ... just the 13 more day to activate is my problem ... and walk aroud to fool that ? ....

Final Verdict : Good ...
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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Jan 8 2006, 03:32 PM)
Just installed on my dell d800 ... spec: Centrino 1.3, Ram 640Mb, NVDIA GeForce 4000 32Mb ... Installation was quite long took me around 1 hr ... but after installation vista 5270 could find all my driver ... the performance also ok ... just the 13 more day to activate is my problem ... and walk aroud to fool that ? ....

Final Verdict : Good ...
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a very interesting function of vista i read on the official page :
using USB Thumb Drive / USB Flash Memory to be secondary RAM.

not sure anyone posted here b4 or not cuz i didn't thoroughly read through the whole thread. so don't flame me for my noobness
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use tumbdrive as RAM??
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tumbdrive much cheaper than RAM!!! biggrin.gif
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External memory devices

Adding system memory (RAM) is often the best way to improve your PC's performance. More memory means more applications are ready to run without accessing the hard drive. However, upgrading memory is not always easy. You must learn what type of memory you need, purchase the memory, and open your computer to install the memory-which sometimes can invalidate your support agreement. Also, some machines have limited memory expansion capabilities, preventing you from adding RAM even if you are willing to do so.

Windows Vista introduces a new concept in adding memory to a system. USB flash drives can be used as External Memory Devices (EMDs) to extend system memory and improve performance without opening the box. Your computer is able to access memory from an EMD device much more quickly than it can access data on the hard drive, boosting system performance. When combined with SuperFetch technology, this can help drive impressive improvement in system responsiveness.

EMD technology is both reliable and secure. You can remove an EMD at any time without any loss of data or negative impact to the system; however, if you remove the EMD, your performance returns to the level you experienced without the device. Wear on the USB drive is not an issue when using it as an EMD. A unique algorithm optimizes wear patterns, so that a USB device can run as an EMD for many years, even when heavily used. Finally, data on the EMD is encrypted to help prevent inappropriate access to data when the device is removed.


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do u guys think opteron might be the minimum requirement to jalan windows vista?
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do u guys think opteron might be the minimum requirement to jalan windows vista?
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a very interesting function of vista i read on the official page :
using USB Thumb Drive / USB Flash Memory to be secondary RAM.

not sure anyone posted here b4 or not cuz i didn't thoroughly read through the whole thread. so don't flame me for my noobness
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u r right...i tried it b4...Muz use USB Thumb drive or USB Flash Memory to boot up pc RAM...then i tried to install Card Reader n use memory card to boot up my RAM...but cant...so tis means we muz use USB Thumb drive/USB Flash Memory to boot up RAM...
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wanna ask..how do you create a dual boot environment? wanna try out vista while i'm still using my windows XP pro
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u r right...i tried it b4...Muz use USB Thumb drive or USB Flash Memory to boot up pc RAM...then i tried to install Card Reader n use memory card to boot up my RAM...but cant...so tis means we muz use USB Thumb drive/USB Flash Memory to boot up RAM...


the 5231 version have this function already or not? if got then i wanna reinstall n check it out. last installation expired after 14days then cannot use already. can't get 5270 cuz beginning from next week go back home holiday no internet access pula.

QUOTE(sidewinderz @ Jan 11 2006, 12:24 PM)
wanna ask..how do you create a dual boot environment? wanna try out vista while i'm still using my windows XP pro
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since i see on your sig you have 4 HDD, you just empty one of them and install Vista on that HDD then boot from that HDD using bios.

another option is to create a new partition and install vista on it but i feel this is more hassle.

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hi there....
i hav a kinda noob question to ask.....
o yea... n tis question is for those who using ati GC to run vista.....
do i need to install d LDDM driver????
n afta installing it what do i hav 2 do...
n i m using d build 5270 vista....

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which driver is newer????
LDDM or WDDM...

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hi there....
i hav a kinda noob question to ask.....
o yea... n tis question is for those who using ati GC to run vista.....
do i need to install d LDDM driver????
n afta installing it what do i hav 2 do...
n i m using d build 5270 vista....
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That build already comes with the latest LDDM driver. No need to do anything. If your ATI GC is DX9 compatible, you will see Aero enabled right from the start.

QUOTE(Wackko @ Jan 13 2006, 10:15 AM)
which driver is newer????
LDDM or WDDM...
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LDDM = Longhorn Display Driver Model ; WDDM = Windows Display Driver Model

Read more about those here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvi...tahardware.mspx
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the 5231 version have this function already or not? if got then i wanna reinstall n check it out. last installation expired after 14days then cannot use already. can't get 5270 cuz beginning from next week go back home holiday no internet access pula.


5231 doesnt come with tis future...
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QUOTE(Eoma @ Jan 13 2006, 11:36 AM)
That build already comes with the latest LDDM driver. No need to do anything. If your ATI GC is DX9 compatible, you will see Aero enabled right from the start.
LDDM = Longhorn Display Driver Model ; WDDM = Windows Display Driver Model

Read more about those here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvi...tahardware.mspx
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Hi,I curious when it will be officially lunch....you guys have any idea?
Plan to buy laptop & desktop that already come with Windows Vista....
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Hi,I curious when it will be officially lunch....you guys have any idea?
Plan to buy laptop & desktop that already come with Windows Vista....
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Around September 2006 or so. That is the targeted release.
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wat bout beta 2??? is it out yet???
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Around September 2006 or so. That is the targeted release.
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btw, if u wan a fast performance pc/laptop...wait until 1Q 2007

pls check out intel pentium VIIV...is a brand new processor for windows vista n very fast performance processor...u can do many thing at the same time with tis processor...
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___Beta 2 changed to April 12 according to the latest news___

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how can i uninstall vista???
do i juz format the partition where vista is installed???
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how can i uninstall vista???
do i juz format the partition where vista is installed???
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jus format the partition tat u installed windows vista
then at windows xp open Command Prompt...
type "cd\" enter
type "cd boot" enter
then type "fixntfs -xp" enter
now goto My computer>C:\ n delete "Boot (hidden)" folder
now u r able to boot ur pc directly into xp
(usually to edit boot with windows vista 5270 is use BCDEDIT in Vista drive using winxp CMD, but BCDEDIT is quite hard to work with if u donno to use)
for information about BCDEDIT pls goto Microsoft BCDEDIT site


for previous version of Windows Vista 5270:
jus format the vista partition
then right click on My Computer n choose "properties"
at System Properties goto "Advanced"
under Startup and Recovery select "Settings"
at the "default operating system" select "Microsoft windows xp.........."
then select Edit
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timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
or delete the row after "multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect"

and close the notepad n save it...

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In the ever-changing release schedule for Windows Vista, nothing stays constant. But according to internal Microsoft documentation, the following dates are correct for the next several major milestones in the product. Currently, Microsoft plans to ship the feature-complete internal build on January 31, 2006, and then ship a near-feature-complete Community Technology Preview (CTP) build to testers on February 17. (To date, more than 50 product teams have submitted code for the feature-complete builds.) Windows Vista Beta 2 is due on April 12, followed by a release candidate (RC) build in July and release to manufacturing (RTM) in August. Assuming this last date is met, the general release of the product will occur in October.
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really hope it will come out fast.... , i already get new pc for him.
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i was wondering when will the official vista will be out to the public to use ??? estimated when ? any ideas guys ?

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currently it is rumored to be released by the end of this year or Q4 2006..
but u know.. Microsoft do loves rumors .. blink.gif
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hahahaha no rumours no marketing ma biggrin.gif making everyone talking bout it thats free marketing strat... well i guess we all have to be stuck on XP feeding it with streriods la
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i wonder will the windows vista come out with a stable windows..
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i cant install my gforce4 mx440 8x driver on vista.... blink.gif
and the desktop icon are so big.

dont ask me where 2 get it laugh.gif

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Latest build of 5270 has smaller icons.

Vista should have default drivers included for Geforce 4 mx 440. But you will not be able to have the transparancy efffect (no LDDM driver for Geforce 4)
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vista renamed as well isnt it? What was the new codename?
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vista renamed as well isnt it? What was the new codename?
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Windows Vista Build 5308 screenshot leaked:
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tis is the only 1 ss...
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that screenshot shows that there are still somebody love the classic theme..

i think windows vista shoudln't put classic theme for the final product..it just make me feel haunted (feels like using win98 now)...

btw looking forward for the final product..i wonder what Apple will come out next..
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By default, Vista will be using Aero theme. However some users will opt to continue using the classic theme as they wouldn't want to relearn the new interface (usually in corporate environment, where classic theme is used to minimize support calls).
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Neowin has a list of the upcoming Windows Vista versions...

Windows Starter 2007
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Basic N
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business
Windows Vista Business N
Windows Vista Ultimate
Windows Vista Enterprise

Source : http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=32347
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Windows Vista team is about to cause by offering up 8 different platters might be a little much. Here's the rundown for the rest of you:

Windows Starter 2007 - Vista without Aero, probably meant for developing nations.

Windows Vista Home Basic - Basic Windows Vista for your single PC fam, doesn't sound like much going on here. Analagous to XP Home.

Windows Vista Home Basic N - European version of the same, but without Media Player (because of antitrust rulings against MS in the EU).

Windows Vista Home Premium - This is the one we're all probably gonna own. It's got Media Center functionality, Cable Card support, the whole home-media shebang.

Windows Vista Business - Think of it as XP Pro, but Vista.

Windows Vista Business N - Think of it as XP Pro, but Vista, but Euro.

Windows Vista Enterprise - Business version of Vista with numerous enterprise features, like Virtual PC, volume encryption, etc.

Windows Vista Ultimate - Love that name. This one does all of the above (and more); what else do you need to know? It's ultimate Windows..

Source

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HAHAHA!!!

Writer wrote: "We went down to New York for the long weekend. Despite the 16-degree weather, we walked down to Times Square - all the bright lights lured us the ten blocks from our hotel. When we got there, we stood like, well, tourists, gaping at all the electronic billboards. And then, across the square, I saw it: the world's largest Windows error message - on a two-story high e-billboard (I guess everything really is bigger in New York). It was the only billboard in the entire square with absolutely no movement - since the PC running it had obviously frozen."

A clearer view of the message for you error-message geeks:
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Are these tradition will carry on in Win Vista =

Viruses
Intruders
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Trojans
Adware

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hah..very funny.........wonder why microsft products got many flaws in
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p/s: does vista perform better than xp with same hardwares?..
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hah..very funny.........wonder why microsft products got many flaws in
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p/s: does vista perform better than xp with same hardwares?..
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I hope VISTA won't come out so fast cos when it does...it will be equipped with directx 10 which means that those games that follows will be directx 10 and it will means i have to buy a new graphic card.
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QUOTE(woopypooky @ Feb 26 2006, 05:03 PM)
I hope VISTA won't come out so fast cos when it does...it will be equipped with directx 10 which means that those games that follows will be directx 10 and it will means i have to buy a new graphic card.
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Just a few question , if i want to install window vista what requirement i need for my hardware ? course i currently runing with low hardware requirement,xp already hang and slow dont say vista.
anyone knows about
-Minimun hardware requirement
-Recommanded hardware requirement
-Good performance hardware requirement


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Longhorn is the codename
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QUOTE(xeno @ Mar 4 2006, 01:49 AM)
Just a few question , if i want to install window vista what requirement i need for my hardware ? course i currently runing with low hardware requirement,xp already hang and slow dont say vista.
anyone knows about
-Minimun hardware requirement
-Recommanded hardware requirement
-Good performance hardware requirement
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ya.. i think the low requirement is pentium4 2.0GHz, 512 DDR, and VGA.. the important is DDR because vista got 'sidebar', it maybe be use much memory..
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Thanks for telling,besides i got another question,so if i install vista beta, can i still install xp program such as winamp ,firefox or bittorrent? Is it compatible with XP application ?

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QUOTE(xeno @ Mar 5 2006, 04:00 PM)
Thanks for telling,besides i got another question,so if i install vista beta, can i still install xp program such as winamp ,firefox or bittorrent? Is it compatible with XP application ?
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Some are (compatible) and some are not.
I can personally verify that winamp works though.
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Thanks for telling,besides i got another question,so if i install vista beta, can i still install xp program such as winamp ,firefox or bittorrent? Is it compatible with XP application ?
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sure u can and it suppose to be that way.. the theory is the vista beta just like "windows blind" to me, it change the theme, log on and boot screen, and some additional screen saver, also sidebar.
this beta is not like u reformat or reinstall the OS.
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sure u can and it suppose to be that way..  the theory is the vista beta just like "windows blind" to me, it change the theme, log on and boot screen, and some additional screen saver, also sidebar.
this beta is not like u reformat or reinstall the OS.
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You're obviously talking about something else here. We're not discussing Vista themes.
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vista is completely new windows..most 32 bit application work though..so dn worry bout compatibility..thus it might need superior hardware esp on visual coz its very visual relistic enviroment..so if u r using xp and its kinda lag..better stay on xp lane..when proggrammer writing os (thousands and billions lines of command)..they dun find flaws..when flaws come..the just patch (adding new line)..not deleted the flaws from command lines..so there will still be flaws even on as many service pack does..so don expect stable os from microsoft smile.gif :cheers:
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mod can move it to wher its fit...


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A CHAP who managed to sneak a peek at the Vole's internal beta version 2 of Windows 53xx informed us that, even while idling, Vista eats as much as 800Mb of system memory.
Yeah, we were shocked too, but you have to believe the screenshot below.

Memory manufacturers couldn't be happier about that, as it will make people to go out and buy more memory. Our source reported that Vista runs ok with 1024Mb of system memory but no-doubt 2048Mb would be much better.

Vista won't install on FAT32 partitions, it only likes NTFS partitions. We also know that the system performs quite well on an Athlon 4000+ and a Geforce 7800 GTX 512 works just fine in the mix. Aero glass looks good, we liked it when we first clapped eyes on Beta 1 version.

Vista occupies roughly three times more space than Windows XP. In fact, it'll require up to a whopping seven gigabytes of drive space.
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Source : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30128

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Can we believe the news from inquirer?

Any more vista beta testers here to verify this? 800MB is a lot!!!
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wah lao...

amd64 4000+ and a78gtx 512mb? man.. i need to get a new pc for that one

whopping 7gb? even at 10 gig, it wouldn't be a prob since most of use who do bt surely have at least 500gbs... wink.gif

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Did those memory / cpu / graphic card manufacturers lobbied Microsoft and Bill Gates to design new windows that eats lots of resources?
hark... my win xp is running fine as it is now. why the heck do i need a high end gaming rig just to run vista? doesn't make sense, isn't it?


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wah lao...

amd64 4000+ and a78gtx 512mb? man.. i need to get a new pc for that one

whopping 7gb? even at 10 gig, it wouldn't be a prob since most of use who do bt surely have at least 500gbs... wink.gif

however, this makes me think:
hark... my win xp is running fine as it is now. why the heck do i need a high end gaming rig just to run vista? doesn't make sense, isn't it?
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considering vista is coming out in DVD and not CD... so i assume it will take loads of hdd space... abt eating 800megs of ram.. i'm not sure of that.. perhaps vista alot a portion of the ram as some sort of disc cache??
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Yes the beta currently requires quite a bit of space to install.
It does take a huge chunk of memory (untweaked).

Haven't had much time toying with it lately. Lemme check the boards and see if it's alright for me to post some shots.


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Microsoft bombshell: no EFI support for Vista

Microsoft revealed today that it will not support EFI booting for Windows Vista on its launch. The news will be a shock for owners of Intel Macs who had hoped they would be able to dual-boot between Windows Vista and OS X. Intel Macs only support booting via EFI.

Speaking at Intel Developer Forum San Francisco, Microsoft development manager, Andrew Ritz, also revealed that there will never be any support for booting Windows via EFI on systems with 32-bit processors.

Although Microsoft has previously said EFI booting would be supported by Vista, Ritz admitted that EFI support won't be seen in any version of Windows until the release of Longhorn Server.

It will not be available in the release version of Windows Vista later this year - Microsoft says people will have to wait for an unspecified 'subsequent release of Windows client'. Ritz could not say whether that would be a service pack update to Vista or the next-generation of Windows.

Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) is the modern and flexible successor to the 20-year-old PC BIOS. It is responsible for initialising hardware in the PC, and importantly, device drivers are stored in the EFI flash memory rather than being loaded by the operating system. It is a major change for the PC industry and both PC makers and Microsoft have been slow to make the switch. Because the Apple Intel Mac platform is entirely new, it does not have any legacy support concerns. It was hoped that 2006 would be the year PC makers would make the switch. Microsoft's lack of Windows support is a huge blow to Intel's hopes, and removes most of the incentive for PC makers to implement it in the short term.

That's terrible news for Intel Mac users who have been hoping that they could dual-boot Windows and Mac OS X on their new Macs: not only are their processors not 64-bit (and thus will never be supported by Windows EFI booting) but Windows Vista won't boot on EFI anyway.

It said its decision to 'reprioritise' EFI development to the server version of Windows was based on a lack of available desktop PCs with EFI support on the market.

"A combination of factors changed our plans. The big one, in my opinion was platform availability. With this huge move to 64-bit based platforms and for us to support it, we needed to see a large heterogeneous sample of 64 bit implementations out there for us to feel comfortable in supporting it." said Ritz.

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Microsoft to "encourage" use of ECC memory for Vista.
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/02/06/ecc_for_vista/

Ms thinks we all very rich,need us to buy new hardware stuff.

QUOTE(Microsoft vista requirement)
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To take better advantage of Windows Vista functionality, you should have at least 512 MB of RAM, on your PC. This provides enough memory for both the operating system and a typical application workload. And while 512 MB is great for many scenarios, more advanced users will want 1 GB of memory or more. If your typical workload is heavy, you do a lot of image editing or development, or you run multiple applications all the time, then more memory is good. In general, an investment in additional memory is wise, and you should certainly make sure that the computer you buy has room to add additional memory later'
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvi...dware.mspx#EGAA

I don't really think 512mb can be support,and maybe only beta version only takes out 800mb ram.Reminds me of dos version 640 kb ram.... doh.gif

Anyway new comment,for who want to have or using window vista smoothly,get ready to save your $$ to buy a new pc around 3 to 4 k or maybe more.Sigh,for me just using vista for new pc ,not worth it.

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well its obvious newer games eats more resources.
so newer OS of coz will choke us alive smile.gif

but considering the requirement stated to run vista smoothly, i think its fair
because by the time vista is being launched, we would be enjoying cheaper 1gb ram
so we would enjoy the 1gb ram price like the price of 512mb ram now smile.gif

nothing to complain about
juz complain about the price of the original windows tongue.gif
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Original windows OS nothing is free ... even now Windows 98 SE original stil expensive .... Microsoft Vista... i think must be more than RM 500 since XP oledi cost tat much ... somore is juz OEM version !
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nah i dont think i'll change the PC for Vista
i'll just use XP as it works really fine for me now
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how do they measure the vista performance indicator?

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Y not?
DOS is very essential for windows...
many IT professionals cant live without DOS
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i dun think its classified as DOS,

i think its called command console
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How to share a file for others in the network in windows Vista? Ok, I used the classic sharing, then at File and Printer Sharing, I selected "Anyone who is on the same network in the same computer". I checked the permission level, it already set to Everyone.

No one seems able to open my shared file, include other Windows XP and Vista machine. There is no product key conflict with another Vista Machine, cause I already requested another new key from Microsoft Connect, both machine use different product key.

It there anyting I missed? If not, I think I'll report it as bug. Thanks

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How to share a file for others in the network in windows Vista? Ok, I used the classic sharing, then at File and Printer Sharing, I selected "Anyone who is on the same network in the same computer". I checked the permission level, it already set to Everyone.

No one seems able to open my shared file, include other Windows XP and Vista machine. There is no product key conflict with another Vista Machine, cause I already requested another new key from Microsoft Connect, both machine use different product key.

It there anyting I missed? If not, I think I'll report it as bug. Thanks
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Hmm, haven't tested file sharing in the latest 5308 build, but it worked (with another Windows XP machine) previously. You can try asking in the newsgroups to see if there's already an issue on this.
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did u enable guest account in users account?
control panels>users account>guest account>turn on guest account

To set password for people when they want to log in to your shared files or printers:-
control panel>performance and maintenance>administrative tools>computer managment>local users>user>right click on guest to set password
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Windows Vista delayed until 2007

Microsoft announced on Tuesday that they will once again delay Windows Vista, until early next year. The software giant said it will wrap up development of the new operating system this year and make it available to volume licensing customers in November. Microsoft's Windows chief Jim Allchin said the company is delaying the broad launch of the product until January 2007. Allchin also stated that the product will still launch in Microsoft's next fiscal year, which begins in July, meaning that Microsoft's overall business for next year shouldn't be affected. Allchin stated that some of the additional time was for ensuring security levels, and the company is also working on ironing out usability issues. "We're trying to crank up the security level higher than ever," Allchin said. "This came down to a few weeks. We're trying to do the responsible thing here."

Source: CNET News.com
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Another delay? o_O

A long, long wait for Microsoft fans
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That is expected. Last news they said they will launch it Jun this year. After I'm got the invitation, and install it. My first opinion is, they won't be able to make it this Jun, there is still a lot of bug. Futhermore, after debug they will still need to optimise the code. So, I'm not surprise to see the delay.
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Delay again? shakehead.gif Then it is good for us to upgrade our machine. Start saving & prepare for upgrading cool.gif
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i wonder how much faster will 64bit OSes compared to 32 bit ones
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Dowloading build 5342, anyone done? icon_rolleyes.gif It released in Connect site today morning. Yesterday, during IIS beta chat with the beta team, some crazy dude keep pressing refresh in their browser to got it in the first time. doh.gif

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hello ziyi

chatted with you the other day on the speech recognition chat
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Didn't see you in the IIS chat session?
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i just install windows vista beta version recently...the windows appearance very nice thumbup.gif ...but only can use 13days cry.gif
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Didn't see you in the IIS chat session?
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5342 runs pretty spiffy.

Do a test for me : Do a "Sort by Name" in the Classic Start Menu. Explorer crashed twice (each time I did it). Reloads back flawlessly though.

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If you able to reproduce it again and again, just write it in your bug report, why want us to help you test again?

BTW, when a program hang or not responding, a menu will poped up and give you option to wait the program to respond or restart the program. But sometimes that menu itself also not responding....lol....
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QUOTE(ZiYi @ Apr 2 2006, 07:12 PM)
If you able to reproduce it again and again, just write it in your bug report, why want us to help you test again?
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Aiyah, to see if others can also reproduce (the problem) lah. ehe.

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proc + mobo chipset + lan and all...

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i heard that intel is comin out with a new processor,much more powerful than dual core,late this year..
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I wanna ask a question:
Do u think u want 2 use vista when it released or not?
or still using xp?
i feel that vista need a great computer to run but my computer doesn't..
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QUOTE(kerossac @ Apr 20 2006, 09:00 PM)
I wanna ask a question:
Do u think u want 2 use vista when it released or not?
or still using xp?
i feel that vista need a great computer to run but my computer doesn't..
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of course we need a fast pc in order to run vista smoothly......by the way,when Vista will officail release?

besides,thinking to install Vista on my PC now.hand very itchy biggrin.gif .just wanna know window xp driver suit window vista or not?how about other xp software like office,firefox,yahoo,msn...etc compatible with vista or not?

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Windows Vista Build 5365 Screenshot Gallery

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvi..._gallery_01.asp
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Wow, this guy is fast. I just reveived the notification mail from microsoft connect today and yet to download it, but he already install it.
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^^ He's not fast. Your just slow wink.gif. If you read the newsgroups, you would have seen that Wendy (Über manager for the Longhorn/IE 7 Beta) said that they weren't sending the email out until Monday; it was out about 2 days prior to the email being sent -- for diligent people, lol.
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Hmm, the image is larger compared to v5342. Well getting it now. Will give my thoughts by this weekend.
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QUOTE(fisherman909 @ Apr 26 2006, 01:34 AM)
^^ He's not fast. Your just slow wink.gif. If you read the newsgroups, you would have seen that Wendy (Über manager for the Longhorn/IE 7 Beta) said that they weren't sending the email out until Monday; it was out about 2 days prior to the email being sent -- for diligent people, lol.
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LOL....haha...I'm slow. I haven't open newsgroup for a couple of days, nearly 1 week. Haiz... there are problems with streamyx in my area, the speed only running at 2x.xx Kbytes. I'm having problem to download it now.

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Do NOT ask where to download it. Read the first post.

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just wanna ask.. for this win vista, wat about the hardware driver..
nvidia and stuffs.. do they alrdy released the hardware driver?
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just wanna ask.. for this win vista, wat about the hardware driver..
nvidia and stuffs.. do they alrdy released the hardware driver?
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Nvidia has released their driver
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_75.03.html
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Latest LDDM driver on nvidia official
X86
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_87.45.html

X64
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_87.45.html

I have GF4 420Go on my toshiba, XP/2000 71.89 driver works fine.

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Hi guys, I encounter some problem with XP when I installed vista. Everything worked fine in both but when I boot into XP, the boot screen would flicker. After booting, it will be fine again. Any solutions?

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ May 14 2006, 03:09 PM)
Hi guys, I encounter some problem with XP when I installed vista. Everything worked fine in both but when I boot into XP, the boot screen would flicker. After booting, it will be fine again. Any solutions?

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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 14 2006, 05:56 PM)
Installing vista in a laptop???
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Yeah... I've been installing vista on the laptop all these while. I encounter the same flickering problem for the build 5365, 5381(I forgotten those older build numbers that I've tried). But I just remember, I always face the same problem.
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Ur laptop can support vista....thats good....

But vista requirement is very high.......
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 14 2006, 07:14 PM)
Ur laptop can support vista....thats good....

But vista requirement is very high.......
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Can, just that I can't use aero glass. No lag or whatever problems. But XP boot screen is flickering... Note, it's XP boot screen... WEird huh... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ May 14 2006, 09:17 PM)
Can, just that I can't use aero glass. No lag or whatever problems. But XP boot screen is flickering... Note, it's XP boot screen... WEird huh... laugh.gif
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Well, maybe it not your laptop problem. Better wait for an actual win vista. Now is beta2 version or what. It's in beta status, cos' sure got problem smile.gif
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Hope so. I don't wish to have flickering boot screen when the real vista is out. Maybe by time vista is officially launched, my laptop is not powerful enough. Btw, I heard that beta 2 is coming out on May 22. laugh.gif
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Hope so. I don't wish to have flickering boot screen when the real vista is out. Maybe by time vista is officially launched, my laptop is not powerful enough. Btw, I heard that beta 2 is coming out on May 22.  laugh.gif
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Hmm... the installation file need 6Gb? I heard it from my frie. He install vista. Well, it need a powerful machine for that latest os. It release in next year right?
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It's 8.5 GB after installing MSN Messenger and MS Office. However there's lots of unneeded files installled in these beta software. Hopefully it will not take up so much space when Vista goes RTM.
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QUOTE(tuckker @ May 15 2006, 02:56 AM)
It's 8.5 GB after installing MSN Messenger and MS Office. However there's lots of unneeded files installled in these beta software. Hopefully it will not take up so much space when Vista goes RTM.
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6GB? it's almost twice compared to XP. how long does it take to install.
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 14 2006, 07:14 PM)
Ur laptop can support vista....thats good....

But vista requirement is very high.......
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hmm....... what the min requirement for this win vista...?

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viiv is a platform for home entertinment multimedia centre
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for this viiv platform, the better match is win xp media centre.....

but actually no need to follow the hardware requirement, u can made ur own media center by ur own......
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is ur pc ready for vista?
http://windowsvista.com/getready
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is ur pc ready for vista?
http://windowsvista.com/getready
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But M$ is the market leader so even if we're customers we can do nothing but to upgrade our rigs or throw away obsolete rigs just to use their new product.
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I dont want to simply download and install junk into my computers so I cant use the Beta Advisor but for those of you who have already done it, can you tell me what's the min requirement for Vista? Thanks man.
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I dont want to simply download and install junk into my computers so I cant use the Beta Advisor but for those of you who have already done it, can you tell me what's the min requirement for Vista? Thanks man.
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You can read some clues here in these two sites
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/capable.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getr...quirements.mspx

I've run the test for Vista Ultimate on my IBM Thinkpad laptop, and it says "Congratulations! Your PC can run the core experiences of Windows Vista." tongue.gif

But for Aero Experience, "A WDDM driver is required. Your graphics card does not support this." rclxub.gif
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NVidia's nForce drivers and Forceware drivers
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PCMag's collection of screenshots
CNet has a senior editor playing around with Beta 2 in a short video
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It looks cool. But the requirement is too high formy laptop.
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no really, windows 98 took almost 700 plus mb to install, windows xp took around 2gigs or so but i dont understand, vista needs 15gigs of free space?


what the hell is wrong with msoft?
its either its too bloated up or something is really wrong
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QUOTE(cockerish @ May 24 2006, 12:49 PM)
no really, windows 98 took almost 700 plus mb to install, windows xp took around 2gigs or so but i dont understand, vista needs 15gigs of free space?
what the hell is wrong with msoft?
its either its too bloated up or something is really wrong
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No wrong. It need many space. Vista actually imitate many feature of MAC os. Mac os is quite huge compare to win xp or 98. Vista got lots of animated interface, maybe that why need so much space tongue.gif
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the 15gb requirement is crazy. thats not including other application like office, etc... doh.gif
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i think u guys make so mistake la! my frie install vista beta just 6Gb le! How come 15gb rclxub.gif

maybe the beta2 got adding some stuff. Kinda weird. 15GB shocking.gif

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QUOTE(cockerish @ May 24 2006, 11:49 AM)
no really, windows 98 took almost 700 plus mb to install, windows xp took around 2gigs or so but i dont understand, vista needs 15gigs of free space?
what the hell is wrong with msoft?
its either its too bloated up or something is really wrong
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I only required 8GB for 5381. unsure.gif
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I only required 8GB for 5381.  unsure.gif
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getr...quirements.mspx

See for yourself. YA! i know the beta is 6-8Gb. Kinda weird, why the requirement in that site is 15GB freespace shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(cockerish @ May 24 2006, 11:49 AM)
no really, windows 98 took almost 700 plus mb to install, windows xp took around 2gigs or so but i dont understand, vista needs 15gigs of free space?
what the hell is wrong with msoft?
its either its too bloated up or something is really wrong
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i think u guys make so mistake la! my frie install vista beta just 6Gb le! How come 15gb rclxub.gif

maybe the beta2 got adding some stuff. Kinda weird. 15GB  shocking.gif
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Well, a few points that i can think of

- They might not need 15GB anyway, it's a prudent prediction and it doesn't mean 15GB will be used after the installation, some are reserved for page file and other purposes.

- Storage is real cheap nowadays. 120GB HDD doesn't cost that much. And if you've 200GB of storage, 15GB doesn't even exceed 10% of it.

- You can't compare legacy OS with new OS. Windows XP took 2GB, Windows 98 took 700MB, Windows 1.0 took one floppy disk. But what can you do now with Win 1.0? It has to grow.
Of course, if you think you can do whatever you want with your Win98/XP now, then you can go ahead with it. But one day your OS will be obsolete (as you can see now WLM and WMP11 don't support Win2000) and you can't avoid that.

- Consuming more storage space won't really make the system bloated or slowing down the performance. It's the number of processes and the consumption of RAM that matters
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Vista use lot of memory..need more than 512mb ..

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Vista use lot of memory..need more than 512mb ..
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so far anyone tried the new beta 2 yet? wonder how many weeks we need to wait till they make it downloadable to the normal public..

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I got a friend who has that...Later I would ask him , hows the new BETA 2 ...

BTW , as for me...VISTA is just a bloatware OS , that needs huge amount of HDD , huge amount of memory and SLi Graphics card. Without it , your computer would be like 300Mhz Pentium II , with 128MB RAM , 4MB VRAM with Windows XP...Dont get me wrong...Its soo much bloated..I would wait for SP1 to come out , and then later I would think about moving to VISTA. So far , XP does a great job. I am not getting this VISTA thingy , as who knows..It might contain Blaster Virus as well...Suddenly , bam restart

I would rather use Tiger...it only needs 256MB of RAM to run...Bah , it even runs fine on a 1999 PowerMac G3 with 512MB of RAM and on a 500Mhz G3 Processor....I would wait [and save $$$$$]
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QUOTE(prasys @ May 26 2006, 10:52 AM)
I got a friend who has that...Later I would ask him , hows the new BETA 2 ...

BTW , as for me...VISTA is just a bloatware OS , that needs huge amount of HDD , huge amount of memory and SLi Graphics card. Without it , your computer would be like 300Mhz Pentium II , with 128MB RAM , 4MB VRAM with Windows XP...Dont get me wrong...Its soo much bloated..I would wait for SP1 to come out , and then later I would think about moving to VISTA. So far , XP does a great job. I am not getting this VISTA thingy , as who knows..It might contain Blaster Virus as well...Suddenly , bam restart

I would rather use Tiger...it only needs 256MB of RAM to run...Bah , it even runs fine on a 1999 PowerMac G3 with 512MB of RAM and on a 500Mhz G3 Processor....I would wait [and save $$$$$]
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Sorry for OT, i heard that winxp got SP3 soon. I think after vista release or what. Duno whether is rumour or not smile.gif
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I woke up early today morning, so i could play around with the Beta 2 build, and here are my thoughts:

Installation on my slow Maxtor 15GB disk took roughly 1 hour 15mins from booting up the installer to finish. Faster than previous builds. They cleaned up the interface and looks pretty good. Total space (default@Vista Ultimate Edition) = 6.67GB + 2.3GB for the page file = ~ 10GB. You can change the pagefile size later on though, like I did to 1GB.

Boot times are impressive; pretty much like my primary Win XP installation. Performance has further improved (from the last build 5365 that I had). No sluggish menus, loads, , hdd thrashing, etc. Bear in mind, that this is on my slower Maxtor 15Gb. If I install on the primary WD80GB, there shoud be further (though slight) loading benefits.

RAM usage = Heavy. Windows Classic theme @desktop with only the sidebar running (and other default services left on, untweaked) took up about 502MB of RAM. Changing to Windows Aero saw the usage go up to 680MB. Taskbar shows(with IE7 and 6 tabs open) RAM usage at roughly around 740MB. 2Gigs definately!

I don't like the default Start Menu options, though it is easily tweaked.
I'm gonna have to get used to the new default Explorer setup. Classic menus and folders is still available for those wondering.

For the ATI users, the Catalyst for Longhorn Beta 2 installs fine. Current driver revision adds Adaptive AA in the CCC options. Drivers (as before) show a GDI version of 9ex.

Might try some D3D and OGL demos on it later after lunch. biggrin.gif
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That's normal i think. If u play high-end game, it also need at least 512Mb. smile.gif cheer
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best performance = 2gb

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QUOTE(Eoma @ May 27 2006, 01:17 PM)
I woke up early today morning, so i could play around with the Beta 2 build, and here are my thoughts:

Installation on my slow Maxtor 15GB disk took roughly 1 hour 15mins from booting up the installer to finish. Faster than previous builds. They cleaned up the interface and looks pretty good. Total space (default@Vista Ultimate Edition) = 6.67GB + 2.3GB for the page file = ~ 10GB. You can change the pagefile size later on though, like I did to 1GB.

Boot times are impressive; pretty much like my primary Win XP installation. Performance has further improved (from the last build 5365 that I had). No sluggish menus, loads, , hdd thrashing, etc.  Bear in mind, that this is on my slower Maxtor 15Gb. If I install on the primary WD80GB, there shoud be further (though slight) loading benefits.

RAM usage = Heavy. Windows Classic theme @desktop with only the sidebar running (and other default services left on, untweaked) took up about 502MB of RAM. Changing to Windows Aero saw the usage go up to 680MB. Taskbar shows(with IE7 and 6 tabs open) RAM usage at roughly around 740MB. 2Gigs definately!

I don't like the default Start Menu options, though it is easily tweaked.
I'm gonna have to get used to the new default Explorer setup. Classic menus and folders is still available for those wondering.

For the ATI users, the Catalyst for Longhorn Beta 2 installs fine. Current driver revision adds Adaptive AA in the CCC options. Drivers (as before) show a GDI version of 9ex.

Might try some D3D and OGL demos on it later after lunch.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(johnnycp @ May 27 2006, 03:17 PM)
normal minima memory requirements for high end games = 1GB

best performance = 2gb

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QUOTE(cockerish @ May 24 2006, 12:49 PM)
no really, windows 98 took almost 700 plus mb to install, windows xp took around 2gigs or so but i dont understand, vista needs 15gigs of free space?
what the hell is wrong with msoft?
its either its too bloated up or something is really wrong
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Those previous versions were all different code, and Vista is too.
15GB= Expected HD space for OS+ Casual Apps like Office 2007.
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if i got only DVD-ROm issit ok ? since dvd rom also can support cd rite ?
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issit a MUST to have CD-ROM ? if i got only DVD-ROm issit ok ? since dvd rom also can support cd rite ?
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i think he is trying to make a joke

anyway, who am i to advise but imho, wait for sp1 to come out before jumping on the bandwagon for good.

every msoft os at start is crap and full of loopholes no matter what msoft tries to overhype any new security tool they have embedded into the OS.
its just the same everytime.

but if the os cant run properly with 512mb, i guess msoft just sold a huge chunk of the pie to Linux.
as it is linux is gaining ground, the more msoft push buyers to get new hardware, the more they would jump on the bandwagon.

some organization have also created thier own flavour of linux which imho is a good move so they would save cost and msoft would know where the ground lies and where the sky lies and where they are exactly
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QUOTE(cockerish @ Jun 2 2006, 04:31 AM)
i think he is trying to make a joke

anyway, who am i to advise but imho, wait for sp1 to come out before jumping on the bandwagon for good.

every msoft os at start is crap and full of loopholes no matter what msoft tries to overhype any new security tool they have embedded into the OS.
its just the same everytime.

but if the os cant run properly with 512mb, i guess msoft just sold a huge chunk of the pie to Linux.
as it is linux is gaining ground, the more msoft push buyers to get new hardware, the more they would jump on the bandwagon.

some organization have also created thier own flavour of linux which imho is a good move so they would save cost and msoft would know where the ground lies and where the sky lies and where they are exactly
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When you get all the BEST professional applications and games on Linux (not considering Cedega; it's awful), maybe people might try it.
TBH noone will see any benefits using Linux compared to the current Windows XP; and with Microsoft streamlining everything plus today's powerful PCs, I'm having a hard time imagining the mainstream consumer NOT having a copy of Windows, XP or Vista.

(And for the bugs/ SP1, you probably forgot how Vista testing and CTP launches were so different from previous Windows-es. It launches a year after the first beta with a completely rewritten kernel, doesn't seem to be as exploit-heavy as everyone thinks.)
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I heard some rumors say, Vista used more memory comparing with Windows XP. And more, Vista drains laptop batteries. Here the story ::: ZDNet::Viata Drains Laptop Batteries.
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Is M$ announce the requirement for Vista? I saw some HP Dual CORE laptop come with a sticker Vista capable. But some HP dual core doent come with tat sticker. Wonder y!
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Vista Beta 2 will be available for download soon.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=298569
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Problem on my PC so far, after using Vista.

1. Half-Life2 can't run

2. SB X-FI detect only 2 speaker config (i'm using 5.1, can't change it)

Anyone experiance it.

Thx.
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anybody can post some desktop print screen here?
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Wow that great ! Vista can run XP games.............
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those *ehem* de games can run or not le?
i dun mind to buy a OEM original Window Vista Premium do gain advantage of directx10 and Aero but if cant play games..uhuh..i will think twice again.

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Problem on my PC so far, after using Vista.

1. Half-Life2 can't run

2. SB X-FI detect only 2 speaker config (i'm using 5.1, can't change it)

Anyone experiance it.

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HL2 cant run mer? my oblivion can run....
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eh, those win vista beta u guys download, got directx 10 in it?
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eh, those win vista beta u guys download, got directx 10 in it?
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how to online using vista as the driver is not compatible with vista? i'm using aztech DSL 600E modem.
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how to online using vista as the driver is not compatible with vista? i'm using aztech DSL 600E modem.
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eh, need to reformat ka? can install inside winxp or not?
can use Microsoft Word in it? got Aeroglass function?
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QUOTE(rpg @ Jun 12 2006, 06:55 PM)
eh, need to reformat ka? can install inside winxp or not?
can use Microsoft Word in it? got Aeroglass function?
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you cannot install 'inside' winxp. you can make a dual boot if you want.
http://www.lifehacker.com/software/top/win...ista-179906.php

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Problem on my PC so far, after using Vista.

1. Half-Life2 can't run

2. SB X-FI detect only 2 speaker config (i'm using 5.1, can't change it)

Anyone experiance it.

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how to online using vista as the driver is not compatible with vista? i'm using aztech DSL 600E modem.
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anyone experience connection to internet problem.

im using kasda modem configure as router, in vista sometime disconnect me saying no connectivity, but in XP no problem at all.
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download new x-fi driver for your vista.

I have one prob with one of my pc which use nf2ultra, Abit AN7 spefically. Since it has non native sata, vista can't recognise my 2 westernd sata2 drive which force me to install into old crappy maxtor 80 GB PATA drive which 4 years old already. I check Abit and SiliconImage website, both dont release driver for it yet...hmmm... it almost imposible ler...

I wonder how an average pc user want to migrate from XP to Vista if they use non native sata driver or card later on XD
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hi...this thread too long...lz read...

my question is ... for amd 64 proc... should i use the x64 or x86?
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QUOTE(minde @ Jun 13 2006, 05:11 PM)
hi...this thread too long...lz read...

my question is ... for amd 64 proc... should i use the x64 or x86?
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any1 >.<  blink.gif  win32 is x86 izit?
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Get x86 since there are more driver available for it.
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post Jun 14 2006, 02:49 PM

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Anyone try the speech recognition?
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post Jun 14 2006, 03:38 PM

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Hello guys. I've just installed Windows Vista Beta 2. I noticed that I don't get the aero glass effect even after installing the latest graphic card driver from NVIDIA. By the way, I'm using Geforce FX5200. Besides that, the sound scheme I got is the same as Windows XP. Has anyone come across this? Your help is much appreciated. Thanks. smile.gif
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post Jun 14 2006, 05:59 PM

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I already installed Vista Beta 2. The speech recognition is awesome! I can even move the cursor using my voice! Amazing! thumbup.gif But I'm experiencing this problem, the microphone setting. Sometimes the mic setting I have to enable it manually in order to use it (the Exclusive Mode).

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QUOTE(tps18489 @ Jun 14 2006, 03:38 PM)
Hello guys. I've just installed Windows Vista Beta 2. I noticed that I don't get the aero glass effect even after installing the latest graphic card driver from NVIDIA. By the way, I'm using Geforce FX5200. Besides that, the sound scheme I got is the same as Windows XP. Has anyone come across this? Your help is much appreciated. Thanks. smile.gif
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I can only reply you regarding the sound scheme. Current vista builds have the same sound scheme as XP. laugh.gif
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Just want to share: Microsoft Windows Vista Beta 2 Software Compatibility List
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Ok, another problem, anyone face this? All information in Adaptor Information is unavailable. I already install radeon driver for vista beta 2. Thanks notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(rad @ Jun 14 2006, 10:40 PM)
Ok, another problem, anyone face this? All information in Adaptor Information is unavailable. I already install radeon driver for vista beta 2. Thanks  notworthy.gif

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i think is normal la cause mine is the same

btw your driver is no using the WDDM rite?
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QUOTE(williamngwl @ Jun 14 2006, 10:57 PM)
i think is normal la cause mine is the same

btw your driver is no using the WDDM rite?
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Anyone here can tell me the actaul size of the Wista 32bits version?I download from microsoft website,the file is finish transfer at 2.0GB while the website said the file is at 3.0GB.Can anyone clarify for me?
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win vista beta can use autocad or not?
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QUOTE(raymond5105 @ Jun 15 2006, 09:30 AM)
Anyone here can tell me the actaul size of the Wista 32bits version?I download from microsoft website,the file is finish transfer at 2.0GB while the website said the file is at 3.0GB.Can anyone clarify for me?
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The x86 (32bit) version should be around 3gb. 64bit version is bigger.
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QUOTE(ZipD @ Jun 15 2006, 11:25 AM)
The x86 (32bit) version should be around 3gb. 64bit version is bigger.
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By right should be 3GB but my file only can download at 2GB then it will stops.Don't know why. sad.gif
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wahh guys jus now i saw the In.tech saying that VISTA has a DOCK on the right hand side.. whooppii...btw u guys noe wher can i see the system requirement?
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QUOTE(milky @ Jun 15 2006, 01:07 PM)
btw u guys noe wher can i see the system requirement?
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So far my drive c: have reach 12GB. The Windows folder size itself is +-7GB. Others include:

Installed softwares:
- Microsoft Office 2007 Plus Beta
- iTunes & Quicktime player
- VLC media player
- YM
- ATI CCC

Upcoming softwares:

- Adobe product
- Macromedia product
- Anti-virus software

I bet it will reach almost 20GB sweat.gif

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I tried the new IE7. But sometime it seems the screen is flickering/blinking...maybe about my graphic card driver? anyone face this? unsure.gif
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i just installed them last nite while watching england game .. so far all the software works for me except

1) counter strike 1.6 ---> i cant use opengl. only can use d3d but everytime i set resolution to widescreen got error only can use in software mode to it reset back to original.. so have to use standard ratio @ d3d.. look weird!

2) pro evolution soccer 5 ---> no sound.. damn dissapointing.

any fix for that? thx
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So, in the end, is Vista worth to use? Does it still have the normal problem, hang and crash?

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