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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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totila
post Mar 7 2011, 06:43 PM

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maybe now u can start buying libya property, who knows 20 years later they are develop like europe leh, all the develop country also start with tough time like europe old time.. (if 20 years later the world haven end yet la.)

sorry.. out of the topic.. haha~ tongue.gif

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post Mar 7 2011, 09:41 PM

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Jom libya!!!
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post Mar 7 2011, 10:40 PM

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If one could not afford to buy property when oil price were below $100 per barrel, I would say it would be very difficult to afford one when it reaches $250. By that time, looking for new job would become very difficult and yearly increment would be below average if there is any.
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post Mar 8 2011, 09:02 AM

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Interest rate will be maintained...

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...05&sec=business
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post Mar 8 2011, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(arsenal @ Mar 8 2011, 09:02 AM)
“We think it's too early to raise interest rates. However, Bank Negara may look at other administrative measures to maintain inflation, such as raising the SRR,” he told StarBiz yesterday. “There is a 50:50 chance of that going up, perhaps by 1% (to 2%).”

very good move by BNM if they raise the srr...this will avoid bank from giving bad loans which lead to subprime crisis in the US at the 1st place
for the people who really wish the property price to drop, pls think again what u wish for

seriously we dun wan subprime crisis to happen here, it wont affect properties price only
it will affect everything sweat.gif
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post Mar 8 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(arsenal @ Mar 8 2011, 09:02 AM)
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they believe that there is a 50:50 chance that there could be a 1% hike in the statutory reserve requirement (SRR)statutory reserve requirement.
what is SRR actually ? sorry very very noob here..
they say they believe only.. its not confirmed yet.. u sound like they are very sure that it will be maintained..

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post Mar 8 2011, 01:12 PM

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I would say in Japan the prices had reached a level much higher then the cost of construction... that is why it is at current levels in relation to cost...our current property prices are partly due to speculation...
Buyers/Investors should be smart and apply a bench mark and not just accept what the market offer... developers are all going highend bcos they can charge premium prices...and buyer are supporting such high prices...which are going to be like Japan in 1981.
Just my bench mark:-
in year 2000 price of land leasehold rm35 psf...now rm80-120psf.
it is reasonable if u factor in the landscape, roads, etc, provided by the housing scheme.
for building in 2000 , rm 80-150psf...now rm200-280psf...and material n labour cost only up 20-30%.
this indicate that the prices are at a high premium for developers..
and they are making a killing...

so when the buying stops the killing stops...

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post Mar 8 2011, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(CKHong @ Mar 8 2011, 10:29 AM)
what is SRR actually ?  sorry very very noob here..
they say they  believe only.. its not confirmed yet.. u sound like they are very sure that it will be maintained..
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SRR mean Statutory Researve Requirement - to control liquidity and credit in the market .. current SRR is 1% .. normal time is around 3-4 %... increase in SRR by 1% will reduce liquidity in the market by 7 to 8 Billion RM...

one of the tool of central bank to control inflation and other stuff...

Reference:

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...1&if_height=494

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post Mar 8 2011, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(chubbyken @ Mar 7 2011, 08:36 AM)
really?
i am aiming one very tempting subsale now...
oh my goodness
shud i wait?
but worry grab by other buyer... rclxub.gif
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use your judgement ..... if u can afford it and have saving
in event of downturn .

prices will always go up cos of inflation..but when u buy expensive
it will take longer for actual infaltion to catch-up..so property appreciation
will take longer.


Added on March 8, 2011, 1:27 pm1 Malaysia .....mah

U all "chap sang" lah...

who getting the alll the goodies....starting 5%

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post Mar 8 2011, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(jib3000 @ Mar 8 2011, 01:17 PM)
SRR mean Statutory Researve Requirement - to control liquidity and credit in the market .. current SRR is 1% .. normal time is around 3-4 %... increase in SRR by 1% will reduce liquidity in the market by 7 to 8 Billion RM...

one of the tool of central bank to control inflation and other stuff...

Reference:

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...1&if_height=494
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OOT. This will reduce the money supply. But will it really reduce inflation?

I mean, even if cash is hard to come by, and the mamak, uses the same excuse that sugar naik, and increase his prices, and every other sectors followed. Then it would appear that inflation isn't effected, instead the lack money in the system will cause bank negara to print more money or reduce the SRR again?

I donno. Just asking.
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post Mar 8 2011, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Feb 22 2011, 02:36 PM)
1st QUARTER 2011 PROPERTY BAROMETER
Posted Date: Feb 18, 2011
By: iProperty.com 

NEW YORK

New York City’s housing market nished 2010 with a 10% increase in sales prices over the last 3 months of the year. According to the Real Estate Board of New York, Manhattan saw the highest prices and the biggest surges, with average prices increasing 13% during Q4 2010 to US$1.45 million. Nouriel Roubini and John R. Taylor, known as the "Dr. Dooms" of nance, and John Paulson, the hedge fund manager who made hugely successful bets on when the housing bubble would burst, are some of the Wall Street heavyweights who have recently purchased New York residential property. This is perhaps the most positive sign for the Manhattan property market since the nancial crisis and we expect prices will continue to increase during 2011.

KUALA LUMPUR

Malaysia had a very strong year during 2010. The implementation of two economic stimulus packages, allied with the encouraging performance of the manufacturing and services sectors, which both expanded by 7.5% and 5.4% respectively during Q3 2010, led to an estimated GDP growth of 6.5% during 2010. The Malaysian Ringgit, the best Asian emerging market currency in 2010, is expected to continue its strong performance in 2011 with a 4.7% gain, after its 12% appreciation last year. We expect the Kuala Lumpur property market to remain stable during 2011 and estimate growth levels of 5% on the back of increasing transaction volumes during 2010 and an ambitious economic transformation program. According to the World Economic Forum, Malaysia was the only emerging market to enter the top 20 list of countries in the world’s financial development index.

LONDON

The London property market is expected to continue a similar pattern to 2010. Supply of new housing is expected to remain limited as funding for construction remains tight and mortgage lenders continue to favour the equity-rich. London’s lack of real estate stock, along with local buyers’ diculty securing nancing, is expected to continue to spur London’s rental markets. Rents performed well in 2010, rising by 16% and this trend is expected to continue in 2011. What has been key to the UK market is the low interest rates; the UK base rate remained at 0.50% after the Bank of England’s January meeting; however economists expect it to rise to 1% later in the year. Even with this increase, interest rates would still be at a historic low; interest rates averaged 5.18% from 1997 to 2007. IP Global does not see a particularly steep recovery, but with low interest rates and high rental yields the UK will still oer strong value over the next 12 to 18 months.

CHINA

China's Economic Forecasting Institute has estimated that during 2011 the country’s GDP will expand by 9.8% with ination forecast to average 3.7% for the year. Ination is expected to reach its highest level in Q1 2010 as a result of rising commodity prices and salaries. China’s central bank has raised interest rates twice since October 2010 to curb the country’s rampant growth and has also recently announced property purchase limitations for second and third-tier cities as a result of property prices still increasing by 0.3% during December to end 6.4% higher y-o-y. The level of restrictions now faced by property investors and the likelihood of more during 2011 gives IP Global the view that investment elsewhere in a less speculative market will oer investors more security.

DUBAI

Recent data has highlighted that Dubai house prices are almost 60% below their peak levels. According to Reuters, this is set to drop further by 5% during 2011, as new units are released onto the market, therefore increasing supply. With rents in the city decreasing, interest rates still high and service charges inated, many buyers are expected to wait and review the Dubai market later in 2011.

GREECE

The outlook for Greece continues to look bleak. The Euro currency continues to struggle and Greece’s debt levels remain high at 140% of their GDP. Desperate to raise funds, Greece oered 6000 of their Islands for sale in 2010, which were previously o-limits to citizens and foreigners. Greece only just avoided the danger of default by securing a multi-billion Euro rescue package from the EU and International Monetary Fund (IMF) over a three-year period, agreeing to painful austerity measures and reforms. Greece’s economy is expected to contract by 3% this year and whilst their economy continues to deate, IP Global does not suggest investment in this market.
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oh come on Pai, what else is Iproperty going to print for MY! Their whole existence depends on an active RE market for these regions! Agents, Developers, Banks & Speculators included fueled by government aggressiveness. I'm sure your RE analyst sources list these guys at the bottom of the reality chart! There's a long line of these guys with still enough hot air to get this bubble fueled for another 6 months. wink.gif

What they didnt print in comparison is the unaffordability factor listing MY close to global worst along with debt to income ratios around 145% in the top 3 in the world. Oh but wait a minute, those are just true measurables! MY is different! Mongolia is the new Dubai!
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post Mar 8 2011, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Mar 3 2011, 09:33 PM)
that why freehold have the advantage, not to mention the bank will loan you anytime with freehold title but not leasehold & the appreciation difference between them. There are also the type of owners living condition difference between freehold taman & leasehold taman.
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You mean like the difference between people livin in Kepong Baru (freehold) 30+ years old house with small congested roads & Lake Edge (leasehold) new classy place? rclxub.gif

Cannot simply say leasehold area worse off than freehold. Many other things to consider. Entire Sunway, Kota Damansara & Tropicana is also leasehold.
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http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v5/newsindex.php?id=569543

finally 100% loan has arrived
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post Mar 8 2011, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(epie @ Mar 8 2011, 07:53 PM)
anyone would like to share what effect would it bring to our property market?
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post Mar 8 2011, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(epie @ Mar 8 2011, 07:53 PM)
Only for price between Rm100K to RM220k

QUOTE(property101 @ Mar 8 2011, 08:36 PM)
anyone would like to share what effect would it bring to our property market?
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Little on overall, except properties below Rm220k may be snapped up by speculators. tongue.gif

For prime area, or any prime adjacent, I can't see any property with RM250K below.

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post Mar 8 2011, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 8 2011, 10:55 PM)
Only for price between Rm100K to RM220k
Little on overall, except properties below Rm220k may be snapped up by speculators.  tongue.gif

For prime area, or any prime adjacent, I can't see any property with RM250K below.
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the news is for those stay outside of KV, penang & JB. tongue.gif
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post Mar 8 2011, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 8 2011, 09:55 PM)
Only for price between Rm100K to RM220k
Little on overall, except properties below Rm220k may be snapped up by speculators.  tongue.gif

For prime area, or any prime adjacent, I can't see any property with RM250K below.
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There are a lot of house/apartment at many state still below 220k.....

This program is not 4 us who stay in KV or Penang or JB.
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post Mar 8 2011, 10:18 PM

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ah chehhh.. i tot they change the maximum limit
i tot the 100% for below 220k... already said last time liao ??
ohh.. now onli they start implement oh..
dam useless...
hardly can find 220k and below props...
but will good for those who live in kampung
maybe gomen trying to push kampung ppl to get more house ? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(sampool @ Mar 8 2011, 10:01 PM)
the news is for those stay outside of KV, penang & JB.  tongue.gif
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penang below 250k? sweat.gif
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post Mar 9 2011, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 8 2011, 09:55 PM)
Only for price between Rm100K to RM220k
Little on overall, except properties below Rm220k may be snapped up by speculators.   tongue.gif
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Just great. shocking.gif

Now even the "aim lower" houses are going up.

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