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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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Onemorething
post Mar 8 2011, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Feb 22 2011, 02:36 PM)
1st QUARTER 2011 PROPERTY BAROMETER
Posted Date: Feb 18, 2011
By: iProperty.com 

NEW YORK

New York City’s housing market nished 2010 with a 10% increase in sales prices over the last 3 months of the year. According to the Real Estate Board of New York, Manhattan saw the highest prices and the biggest surges, with average prices increasing 13% during Q4 2010 to US$1.45 million. Nouriel Roubini and John R. Taylor, known as the "Dr. Dooms" of nance, and John Paulson, the hedge fund manager who made hugely successful bets on when the housing bubble would burst, are some of the Wall Street heavyweights who have recently purchased New York residential property. This is perhaps the most positive sign for the Manhattan property market since the nancial crisis and we expect prices will continue to increase during 2011.

KUALA LUMPUR

Malaysia had a very strong year during 2010. The implementation of two economic stimulus packages, allied with the encouraging performance of the manufacturing and services sectors, which both expanded by 7.5% and 5.4% respectively during Q3 2010, led to an estimated GDP growth of 6.5% during 2010. The Malaysian Ringgit, the best Asian emerging market currency in 2010, is expected to continue its strong performance in 2011 with a 4.7% gain, after its 12% appreciation last year. We expect the Kuala Lumpur property market to remain stable during 2011 and estimate growth levels of 5% on the back of increasing transaction volumes during 2010 and an ambitious economic transformation program. According to the World Economic Forum, Malaysia was the only emerging market to enter the top 20 list of countries in the world’s financial development index.

LONDON

The London property market is expected to continue a similar pattern to 2010. Supply of new housing is expected to remain limited as funding for construction remains tight and mortgage lenders continue to favour the equity-rich. London’s lack of real estate stock, along with local buyers’ diculty securing nancing, is expected to continue to spur London’s rental markets. Rents performed well in 2010, rising by 16% and this trend is expected to continue in 2011. What has been key to the UK market is the low interest rates; the UK base rate remained at 0.50% after the Bank of England’s January meeting; however economists expect it to rise to 1% later in the year. Even with this increase, interest rates would still be at a historic low; interest rates averaged 5.18% from 1997 to 2007. IP Global does not see a particularly steep recovery, but with low interest rates and high rental yields the UK will still oer strong value over the next 12 to 18 months.

CHINA

China's Economic Forecasting Institute has estimated that during 2011 the country’s GDP will expand by 9.8% with ination forecast to average 3.7% for the year. Ination is expected to reach its highest level in Q1 2010 as a result of rising commodity prices and salaries. China’s central bank has raised interest rates twice since October 2010 to curb the country’s rampant growth and has also recently announced property purchase limitations for second and third-tier cities as a result of property prices still increasing by 0.3% during December to end 6.4% higher y-o-y. The level of restrictions now faced by property investors and the likelihood of more during 2011 gives IP Global the view that investment elsewhere in a less speculative market will oer investors more security.

DUBAI

Recent data has highlighted that Dubai house prices are almost 60% below their peak levels. According to Reuters, this is set to drop further by 5% during 2011, as new units are released onto the market, therefore increasing supply. With rents in the city decreasing, interest rates still high and service charges inated, many buyers are expected to wait and review the Dubai market later in 2011.

GREECE

The outlook for Greece continues to look bleak. The Euro currency continues to struggle and Greece’s debt levels remain high at 140% of their GDP. Desperate to raise funds, Greece oered 6000 of their Islands for sale in 2010, which were previously o-limits to citizens and foreigners. Greece only just avoided the danger of default by securing a multi-billion Euro rescue package from the EU and International Monetary Fund (IMF) over a three-year period, agreeing to painful austerity measures and reforms. Greece’s economy is expected to contract by 3% this year and whilst their economy continues to deate, IP Global does not suggest investment in this market.
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oh come on Pai, what else is Iproperty going to print for MY! Their whole existence depends on an active RE market for these regions! Agents, Developers, Banks & Speculators included fueled by government aggressiveness. I'm sure your RE analyst sources list these guys at the bottom of the reality chart! There's a long line of these guys with still enough hot air to get this bubble fueled for another 6 months. wink.gif

What they didnt print in comparison is the unaffordability factor listing MY close to global worst along with debt to income ratios around 145% in the top 3 in the world. Oh but wait a minute, those are just true measurables! MY is different! Mongolia is the new Dubai!
Onemorething
post Mar 10 2011, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 8 2011, 09:55 PM)
Only for price between Rm100K to RM220k
Little on overall, except properties below Rm220k may be snapped up by speculators.  tongue.gif

For prime area, or any prime adjacent, I can't see any property with RM250K below.
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Government enabling the everyone the in the pool scenario! You know what this means do you?

Consolidation Bubble Forming! Freddie Fanny stuff. The bank always wins!
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post Apr 18 2011, 09:55 AM

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Moody's Investors Service downgraded its outlook on the mainland property sector to "negative" from "stable" on what it says are gloomy fundamentals for developers over the next 12 to 18 months.

Under a tough operating environment driven by tightening regulatory measures, rising interest rates, reduced bank lending and increasing supply, mainland developers will inevitably encounter slowing sales, shrinking profit margins and liquidity pressure, according to the rating agency.

It also anticipates that the proceeds from contracted sales of residential homes will decline by an average 25 to 30 percent in first and second-tier cities this year.



According to a Moody's liquidity stress test on 38 mainland developers, 10 of them - all of which are listed in Hong Kong including Shimao Property Holdings Ltd and Central China Real Estate Ltd - will become "vulnerable" in terms of balance sheet liquidity if their contracted sales decline 25 percent this year compared with 2010.

Du Jinsong, head of China property research at Credit Suisse, told China Daily he agrees the finding of Moody's, adding that Credit Suisse has been underweight mainland property since October 2010.

The investment bank expects mainland home prices to slide 5 to 10 percent this year with trading volume to drop 10 to 15 percent.


Personally, the cracks are now opened in a big way. In my experience when Moody's says 5-10% it's hedging on recent developments only, expect so much worse as the Mainland tries to deal with over 17.5 Trillion Yuan in governement spending 2009-2010, which is about 70% of GDP, which has never been seen before and was the ONLY reason property prices increased. Expect a US style demise with initial losses of more like 15-20% and a long drawn out downward cycle which could last years!

I would expect HK, SING and our bubbles to follow very close behind. I also see a US recession before year end, AUS props which are now dropping gain speed on China news and Canada to finally POP!

This post has been edited by Onemorething: Apr 18 2011, 10:05 AM
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post May 30 2011, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(pohang @ May 30 2011, 02:04 PM)
Singapore’s Property Market Headed Towards a Perfect Storm?
"Will the boom never end"

http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/Singapore...703083.html?x=0

Did this sound familiar to Malaysia property market olso???    sad.gif
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Typcially PONZI mentality for the SHEEPLE!

AUS and CAN props on the verge along with CHINA so you make the call! HK-SING-MALAY listings have grown quickly. Transactions few. The signals are there.

Sell in May and go away! US re-entry to recession to show signs in July and full swing in Dec.

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post Jun 3 2011, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Jun 3 2011, 08:45 PM)
We have talked over 100 pages, but properties still surge as high as it could... sad.gif
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Yes until the Greater Fools run out, there another sucker to be had!

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