too much of soya bean milk not good...LoL

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tietge7.htm

Is behind neck press potentially harmful to shoulder health?

potentially, yes. do it carefully and dont take too much weight until you're confident with the ROM. preferably have a spotter. i wont do this exercise unless i have a spotter (which is rare, lol)

I use it to hit the traps and rhomboids, not much of shoulders involved when I do it. Mind muscle connection ftw.

Define natural ? Is whey/creatine 'unnatural' ?

I was asking whether the person takes all nutrients through real food instead of supplements. The zero supplementation addition to the end of the sentence should have pointed as such.


This post has been edited by statikinetic: Nov 30 2010, 06:31 PM

yup, zero supplements bcos those shakes & bars really not suit my taste, taste horrible for me, used to have vitamin c but fresh fruits everyday 2 apples, 1 orange usually sometime eat grapes so stop the vitamin c also already stop for... 4+ few years

must be the exercise routine & recovery food imbalance... tats why sometimes feel great, sometimes feel like crap

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Added on November 30, 2010, 7:02 pmbut good for girls...

This post has been edited by debbierowe: Nov 30 2010, 07:02 PM

Going "Natural" in bodybuilding means free from steroids, not free from supplementation. Whey and creatine are natural. As pointed out many many times again and again.

Ridiculous. It has been argued time and time again that you'd have to take insane mega amounts of soy to get those adverse effects. I know a lot of people at my old gym in malacca who added that to their preworkout shakes and had insane musculature.

got to ask this, r u on the right thread? this is bodybuilding yo.

wrong

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This post has been edited by chicaman: Nov 30 2010, 08:28 PM

Hey you don't need to talk like that yo,what he meant was natural food,or like what someone said,free from steroids,learn how to read what people said properly,u dun have to think u are all that great u know..

so debbierowe doesn't take supplements and only eat natural food Cos she doesn't like the taste..understandable..just eat more eggs and milk and meat..

This post has been edited by bigbangformula: Nov 30 2010, 09:41 PM

I see some hopefuls in the crowd with their fingers crossed, hoping she says yes.

lol yes. i never have weight/fat problem, the problem is i never gain weight thru out my life, no matter how i eat like a horse... i.e. some guys has problem finishing fries of a Carls Jr large meal, but i dun but whatever i eat seemed like "evaporate" but check with doc he said just high metabolism not worms (like i suspect)

so up until last year i actually never bother to exercise cos tats supposedly just for fat girls but then suddenly just felt like getting lean & toned after watching Nike Women ad and stuff...think those girls look way better than Marie France bodyline or all those slimming center ads girls.

and so i start gym & with a PT.

but then, realising ... toning to look lean, is x999 harder than losing weight...

To be frank, hard gainer always say they eat a lot, but the fact is that they eat so little!!! A large meal from carls junior is so small~

you do it in the traditional way or ?
how you manage to hit the rhomboids

then they r not hard gainers in the 1st place

1. The way he phrased it, implied that whey was unnatural. That's how i read it.
2. Think before you type, i've seen plenty of your useless+uninformative+misleading replies in other threads.
3. Stop going crazy over anyone with a 'female' tag, you've never seen any before ?
4. Now, train hard.

marie france models or any slimming centre models for tat matter are generally girls with skin and bone. sports models are girls with muscles with very low bf%.

Lemme improvise on this. Too many people are too quick to label themselves as hardgainers. They don't eat enough, or if they eat enough, they go on the wrong program. Over the years of working out, imo, any so called bodybuilding oriented program which has planned calculated poundages is inherently flawed.

Our bodies all have mood swings, sometimes it's one of those dog days where you just don't have it in you to go super heavy. So what happens when they try to hit that targeted poundage? Injury, demoralization, demotivation, etc. Resetting poundages back 2 workouts or whatever they want to call it, it still boils down to the same principle. Listen to your body.

It's really that simple, it's not rocket science, period. I'm sure chicaman knows this, I definitely know this since we've both trained at Terry's gym regularly at some time or the other. And chicaman, your progress is phenomenal just listening to what Terry touts, again, listening to your body. Good job.


Btw, I met up with pedro for shisha just now, he gained size, not bad.