for those who wants to take a peak like i do. here you go,

http://propwall.my/damansara_perdana/photo...r_type=Property

Every investor or homebuyer buy a property with certain expectation and their tick points. Some expect a perfect property but do not mind to pay premium, some looking for cheap, good and quality product and for some as long as delivered and can make money, they are happy with it. They need to know at first place why they buy into the property. Every developer has their own characteristics, culture etc including MEH.

You missed my point. I am trying to moderate the expectation of the buyers (existing and future) who are not aware of MEH culture. MEH is never famous for their workmanship. If you buy with expectation of getting moving in condition during VP, you will be severely disappointed. All the facts been mentioned in Empire Damansara thread and the buyers need to endure 6-9months before the property can become moving-in condition.

But for the price you paid, you are getting one property that potentially become hotspot in this area with numerous of famous retailers.

Ultimately the money is yours and you can choose not to buy from MEH in future or take your money off the table now and let your subsale purchasers take all the hassle from dealing with defect rectification.

Prime loc issue is out of the topic with Empire city la... Your prime may not be inline with what I thought.. also depends on property class.... We might even debate what is definition of cheap, quality etc etc....

cheers!

Beancounter, the existing buyers can submit defect rectification, chase the developer to rectify the defects. When JMB is formed, they can volunteer to be part of the committee and work to solve the issue with developer. There are many avenues for them to participate.

A gd try to avoid answering directly to my Q. I'm not swaying away with the quality of tenants in tis mall but merely asking u the price vs quality regardless it's fr meh onot.

Isit difficult to answer tat???

Again. R u trying to say with ur definition of lower price point despite of the psf or absolute price one has to accept the poor quality with compensation of the quality of retail tenants meh is bringing in???

No obligation. I just need a simple yes or no.

Thanks

The main contention is that what is expected, based on industry standard handover is not met - no keys/access card to unit, no water connection, no electricity connection, no sewerage connection, no fire alarm/sprinkler system in place - in essence buyers are not even receiving physical handover of their unit! Most buyers are aware it will take time to rent out, touch up etc but not like the current state lah....

big tenants wont go in simply.. even LV took years before they went in gardens while burberry was d ori kid there... empire subang jus check most fashion tenants doing well or empire city wont be able to even get half their tenants.. But agree 100% with yr sustainability question

this soxo product moving forward, memang best time to enter is after all the dirt has been cleaned.. somehow i feel better to buy a subpar workmanship product (which has been/can be corrected) above a future highly successful mall rather than a nice product above/beside a future failed mall (damansara many).

my2c

This post has been edited by Babizz: Aug 31 2015, 04:37 PM

A sub par building tends to fall apart. Tiles will pop out, leaky pipes, leaking air con, water seepage from unit upstairs, water seeping from windows, faulty lift etc etc. Do you really want to come back to a home like that?

Developers are being rewarded for sub par delivery. So they just keep doing what they have been doing just because some buyers think they're making money. This mentality among Malaysians has got to stop. Poor products deserve punishment. This is the reason developers are selling cheap mickey mouse units at high prices while telling you 'land is no more' (which is bs considering their buyers are mainly investors who have no need nor intention of living there). You must remember KL is no London or New York where global buyers constantly trade.

totally agree...

some will think that aiyoh as long as make money ok lah ..the flippers will flip the sub standard property to another water fish and round and round it goes..

Yup in the end, the property market becomes a rubbish dump where there is no sustained value. When there are too much of this in the market guess what happens....

all I know is that those investors/flippers that I knew personally never bought another empire properties....after empire damansara....

You'll be surprised my friend. My neighbours, at least 8 of them who hv bought ED, 100% of them bought EC. Not only they bought EC, this time they bought 2-3 units and I together with a few other neighbours were recommended by them to buy. Yes, they complained like hell after ED's VP but all of them managed to sell at, at least 40-50% profit. Empire is a bit like Monoland. If anyone know Monoland, their Titiwangsa Sentral, Vipod, Soho and Oval Damansada, their quality during VP were equally bad if not worse but still each time when Monoland launched their projects, they don't even need to market. They allocate to their loyal followers and some literally have to beg to get a unit because their selling price is really attractive. Next is Vortex.

ED buyers made more than 50pc gross profit. Monoland quality is much better than Empire....i wont say Monoland is good but surely not as pariah as Empire la.

This post has been edited by propertybbb: Aug 31 2015, 10:37 PM

I could be wrong here, SUNDAY has been VPed, means that water and electricity also got already? my god.... The whole development still got a hell lot of work to complete still can give keys to the buyers!

Why don't u refer to Vipod thread? I only got my 2 units of Vipod's defects rectified after 2 months, that also not to my fullest satisfaction. They just don't care less. They also quickly VP to avoid LAD. I still remembered my sink was not even installed, kitchen table top was full of dust and my ceiling was not even painted. And mind you Vipod is a high end condo where as EC is middle tier. I got to give under table to the contractor to expedite the rectification work as I need to rent out fast. Trust me, they are as bad. But because the profit after handover is so good, even though we complained, we are also happy with the profit. Talk cock nia and Monoland projects, still thick skin beg them to give me one.....Sky Suites KLCC is the next to launch. Few thousand waiting list, I was told. Hee....hee... For EC, somehow I hv a feeling it is going to do well especially once the mall is done. Maybe Paris Hilton becomes my neighbor. As for know, suffer a bit loh. No rental income but need to service loan. Luckily capital outlay not too much.

Monoland is well known edi for poor quality.

But buyers still want to buy.

Mammoth is well known for poor quality.

But buyers still want to buy.

SP setia is well known for average quality.

But buyers still wanna buy.

Malaysians know that wearing a certain color with certain word + no.4 is illegal.

But still want to wear and go walk in hot sun.

Looks like Malaysian buyers are "shallow" and "unpatriotic"

Could it be that these so called defects are just cosmetic defects and after a few round of changing owners/renovation AND as long as there is no structural defect, there should not be any difference in the long run because a building is a building is a building? Maybe, just maybe, all these are just overblown and at the end of the day life goes on and investors make money and renters/own stayers continue to stay there. After all, which building has collapsed in Malaysia due to poor quality? As long as MEH make sure the structural got no defects, they do not care much about those less important defects and that is how they operate low cost I think. Anyway, this is just my speculation. I do not condone these irresponsible developers. Ideally, everything should be done as per promised and even better than promised. otherwise, how is our nation going to improve?

there is no where buyers of ED can make judgment call on BUY EC bcos EC was launhed before ED was vped.

the rule of thumb is

make sure your project do well in subsales if you want to give sheet quality.........

luckily all empire, monoland and setia projects did well........as of now...

ED was not first project by mammoth.

ES was oso evidence of poor quality.

ED/EC has been plagued with issue of late delivery before launch of other projects by mammoth.

EC itself still has launch at this time.