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 EMPIRE CITY @ Damansara Perdana/Mutiara Damansara, Mixed Development Project in Damasara KL

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post Jun 29 2015, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(chinaapek @ Jun 29 2015, 09:03 AM)
Looks like another Empire Damansara in the making or WORSE.

with the early VP with no CCC and all the charges, investors are going to burned badly. From the letter is around RM6K now

At least 6 months (very lucky) vacant with no tenant, burning cash every month? Or worse I heard a year with no tenant.

I heard 2 big sharks who bought in bulk is going to flood the market with cheap units. They got it very cheap as compared to retailer.

Good luck guys! Who can hold it for a year or 2 min will be the winner.
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Empire Dsara retails need a bit more to mature due to retails sold off and the owners only look for tenants upon VP. In fact for strata retails, the occupancy achieved in less than 2 years are quite commendable (in my book). of course some might argue that there are other retails are doing better but that is the separate arguement.
Empire City needs time to mature and unlike Emp Dsara, retails are retained by MEH in Empire City. From scattered news particularly from PTLM, MEH is already confirmed some anchor retailers while we chui sui here. That should accelerate the maturity of Empire City.
With all new development, it is always risk furthermore with MEH and mamomth project such as Empire City. It is always easy to be skeptical however the bold will reap the rewards (of course taking the risk as well).

However, once Empire City is mature, no other project in Klang VAlley will offer similar scale, concept, mixed development in single site as what Empire City will offer. A true work, play and live concept. And you are paying RM380K for a studio And compared to other intergrated development you may even need to pay RM500-600k minimum.
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post Jun 29 2015, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(QQCY @ Jun 29 2015, 05:25 PM)
I was told by a reliable resources "no LAD as it's within 42 months from the building plan approval"

Panicking!!!!
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You should read your SPA to your know your legal right.


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post Jul 1 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(yuktsair @ Jul 1 2015, 04:28 PM)
Vacant Possession
The developer must hand over Vacant Possession of the building with water and electricity ready for connection during the calendar period from the date of the SPA:
24 months (for land and buildings); and
36 months (for Stratified Building). 

Terms of vacant possession (VP)
Make sure the property is free from any encumbrances / charges.
Certificate from the developer's architect stating that:
The building is completed.
Water supply and electricity ready for connection.
The developer has applied for the issuance of CFO/CCC through Form E * and local authority has issued a letter stating that Form E has been checked and accepted by local authorities.

Buyer can occupy the house only when the CFO/CCC is issued :
While inspecting the building, any defect is recorded and submitted to the developer to be rectified.
Make sure you get copies of the complaint (For TTPR reference if necessary).
The renovation of the house is only allowed after obtaining the CFO and approval of plans by local authorities.
* Form E is an application from the developer's architect to the relevant authority for the issuance of the CFO/CCC.

Establishment of Management Corporation for Stratified Building
A Management Corporation shall be established by the purchasers once the strata title of each individual parcel is issued. 

The Management Corporation is responsible for insuring and maintaining the entire building and common property.

Payment of Damages

The developer shall pay to the buyer for damages:
If developer failed to deliver vacant possession of the building as specified in the Sale and Purchase Agreement
Calculated from day to day at the rate of 10% per annum of the purchase price

Defects Liability Period
24 months after the date of vacant possession.
The developer is required to rectify the defects within 30 days of receipt of the complaint.
After the expiry of 30 days, if the developer did not take any action the buyer must notify the developer of the cost required to rectify the defects.
Buyer must send written notice by registered post or through a solicitor.
After 14 days from the notification of the cost, if the developer did not take any action the Purchaser is entitled to recover the cost of repairing from the developer by deducting the 5% retention money charged as stated in the Third Schedule Clause 4 (1) in the SPA that is held by the developer’s solicitor.

Tribunal For Homebuyer’s Claims (TTPR)
TTPR provides an alternative to hear and adjudicate claims for homebuyers compensation or damages from housing developers in a more simple, cheaper and faster way.
Claims must be made ​​within 12 months after;
The date of Certificate of Fitness for Occupation (CFO)/ (CCC) issued or
End of Defects Liability Period (DLP) as specified within the SPA
Claims cannot be more than RM 50,000

Director
Enforcement Division
National Housing Department
Ministry of Housing and Local Government
Level 30, No.51, Persiaran Perdana
Presint 4, 
Pusat Pentadbiran Kerajaan Persekutuan
62100 Putrajaya, MALAYSIA

Tel : 603-8891 4410
Fax : 603- 8891 4045
E-mel : enforcement@kpkt.gov.my
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This is non Schedule H project therefore it is not fall under the MOH's guidelines.
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post Jul 1 2015, 05:00 PM

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Some owners do not mind to cash out with minimal profit. For Emp Dsara Studio Case, the price shoot up from RM240K upon VP to RM330k last year. Now asking dropped already.

Empire City wil add massive supply of studios in Dsara Perdana Area
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post Jul 27 2015, 11:26 AM

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For subsale hunters, Empire City might turn out to be happy hunting ground.
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post Jul 27 2015, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(kheekuan @ Jul 27 2015, 12:52 PM)
Haha, it really depends how one looks at it.. Based on projected rental, one is looking at approx 4% yield & mind you competitions can be pretty tough especially at Damansara Perdana area with high density units for the market to digest
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If owners look it from the view of glass is half empty, then they should let go to buyer who look at it as half full.
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post Jul 30 2015, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(chinaapek @ Jul 28 2015, 07:08 PM)
Just came back from Empire City. I have no idea how did they managed to VP the building.

Saw 1 unit, a low floor unit. 1 word: Horrible. They units are in bad shape. Alot of touch up need to be done.

Also, the lobby. OMG. Is like entering a construction site. I would say is 70% done. How on earth are u going to rent out the place? who would want to rent a place in a middle of a construction site?

Good luck existing buyers. I am still holding to my believe. There will be a sales for Empire City.
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this is MEH we are talking about . Empire Damansara that half the size is probably delivered in half under construction manner. Owners need to take initiative to get devleoper to furnish the place. However this is part of parcel of MEH project.

If current owners feel the place is no further upsiide potential and would like to cut the sell the place with some tidy profit, i am sure there are some investors who sniff opportunity that do not need the CCRIS to be tied for 4 years before unit is ready.
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post Aug 28 2015, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(windancer660 @ Aug 28 2015, 03:07 PM)
Odieboy, you are the first owner who I know that is "quite satisfied" with the condition of your unit. Besides this, what do you think about the condition of the common facilities and the fact that you will not receive your keys until all defects are rectified. Lastly, what do you think about having to pay your housing loan and maintenance charges considering you can't occupy or rent out your unit?
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I think the workmanship is acceptable since this is from MEH. Definitely can be better but workmanship is not MEH's strongest point la

For RM240-280k fully furnished, on top of one of the biggest malls in Malaysia, comes with DIBS and most likely all buyers are making money out of it, investment can be worse than that.
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post Aug 28 2015, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(windancer660 @ Aug 28 2015, 03:27 PM)
Some addition photos taken recently....
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If want good workmanship then need to buy from reputable developer like Sunrise, Tan&Tan, SPsetia, Gamuda, SDB etc.. even then, sometimes it is also hit and misses...

Then again, be prepare to pay super premium if you find them develop similar scale development in prime location.... nod.gif
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post Aug 30 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Aug 28 2015, 09:25 PM)
My latest factory bot at 470psf has beta workmanship. And I own the fh land.

How much is this cost in psf for the unit with pics shown above???

High rise owners don't own the land rite??? Are u suggesting one has to giv in to wateva quality as long the price is cheap??? Absolute cheap or cheap in psf??? Dun get me wrong. I just wanna listen to different comments fr different ppl. More so u r a reputable one.  notworthy.gif

Btw how to justify prime loc in ur statement above??? My fac is 10km away fr klcc and 8km away fr this ec. Which one has beta loc??? Mine is kl add fh. This is pj add lh. FYI I'm not comparing Apple to Apple. Just merely trying to get some advices for the loc identification.
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Every investor or homebuyer buy a property with certain expectation and their tick points. Some expect a perfect property but do not mind to pay premium, some looking for cheap, good and quality product and for some as long as delivered and can make money, they are happy with it. They need to know at first place why they buy into the property. Every developer has their own characteristics, culture etc including MEH.

You missed my point. I am trying to moderate the expectation of the buyers (existing and future) who are not aware of MEH culture. MEH is never famous for their workmanship. If you buy with expectation of getting moving in condition during VP, you will be severely disappointed. All the facts been mentioned in Empire Damansara thread and the buyers need to endure 6-9months before the property can become moving-in condition.

But for the price you paid, you are getting one property that potentially become hotspot in this area with numerous of famous retailers.

Ultimately the money is yours and you can choose not to buy from MEH in future or take your money off the table now and let your subsale purchasers take all the hassle from dealing with defect rectification.

Prime loc issue is out of the topic with Empire city la... Your prime may not be inline with what I thought.. also depends on property class.... We might even debate what is definition of cheap, quality etc etc.... rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Aug 29 2015, 12:48 PM)
huh? bcos its MEH whom usually providing worse than normal standard, buyers are glad that they maintain their 'standard' and this round without given you 'golden pot'?

280k is not really cheap given that its a smaller than mickey mouse unit...the so called 'fully furnished' status is just a cosmetic cover up....

come on.....whether its investment worthiness is another story....you cant make the conclusion that because original owners make some money....the rest is ought to be forgiven..
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Beancounter, the existing buyers can submit defect rectification, chase the developer to rectify the defects. When JMB is formed, they can volunteer to be part of the committee and work to solve the issue with developer. There are many avenues for them to participate.


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QUOTE(ryan@chua @ Nov 29 2015, 09:10 PM)
Yup. I know many flippers (plenty of my friends ) in this project and not afford to pay monthly installments.  All pls be patience and wait for firesales  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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For investors, they always insist they have holding power.

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post Jan 4 2016, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 3 2016, 03:42 PM)
not for another 2 years min blush.gif

oversupply all over the world  yawn.gif

on the way to USD20/bbl
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If oil price is hitting USD20bbl, more excuses for ah jib kor to increase gst and impose tax on petrol.

ah jib kor will not reduce government expenditure nor increase transparency and efficiency.
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post Jan 4 2016, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(MonGJiHyo @ Jan 4 2016, 10:16 AM)
true.. in the end people like us suffers badly as cost of living increases, more job losses, pay cut, buying power decreases..etc..  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Just from Malaysia micro context, as Malaysians we will not enjoy the full savings of the low petrol price.

I strongly think we will not enjoy the RM1.10/liter the heyday. There will be more cons than pros for the low oil price.
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jan 4 2016, 10:40 AM)
according to some people. We actually are paying 'petrol tax' now.. The 'real' retail petrol price is much lower!
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It is possible. Assuming exchange rate USD4.3 and USD38/bbl plus the refinery cost about USD10/bbl, the price should be around RM1.30/liter. So plus transport, petrol station cost and profit etc... Retail price for RON95 is RM1.85/liter???
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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Jan 5 2016, 09:27 AM)
Taken last sat
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Still a lot of works.... Empire Damansara also handover in under construction condition and required 6months before moving condition.

This Empire City seems 5X magnitude than Empire Damansara
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QUOTE(Brandon323 @ Jan 5 2016, 12:15 PM)
If this project is first launched in 2010, does that mean first batch buyers entitled to heavy LAD now? Will MEH pay if the LAD claims are valid?
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I think it is 5 years project with date start from authority approval.

Good thing is... it is dibs project.
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QUOTE(Donald Trump @ Jan 5 2016, 02:09 PM)
dirty tricks from day 1...  this dev will not pay...and will not deliver completed unit
even the ER under HDA also they ignoring LAD which is coming to 1 1/2yrs if i m not mistaken
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Under Sch H, buyers can bring to tribunal to seek LAD. There are so many phases still uncompleted. MEH cannot afford to unwind the company yet.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 5 2016, 02:23 PM)
Q's:
1. which tribunal? consumer or housing?
2. if this is a commie, and hypothetical speaking, why can't MEH just unwind the company if they have already billed major portion of the billings. after all, each billing would have included their profit, no? from the pics, looks like the entire development already is 7788. and assuming 70% of the development is sold (assume 30% is retained by developer eg. the mall), they could potential have billed everybody 85% of the 70% sold products. more than a decent profit i might say.

but having said all that, don't think they will abandon lah. if they should abandon, they should have done it much earlier and not at this stage.
the mall should be a fat cashcow IF it's successful. but as in most development, so near yet so far. the final mile could very well be the hardest mile.
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Actually i am referring to Empire Residences.

I agree with you very unlikely MEH will abandon Empire City if you seen the progress billing structure of Empire City. If they have all the intention to abandon, they already abandon long time ago and not at this stage.
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QUOTE(HarpArtist @ Jan 5 2016, 11:10 PM)
dev like this really screw their customers. how are they allowed to keep in biz?
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Because they still have stream of buyers.

And their products are in good location with easy entry, low absolute price, furnished and with dibs

in nutshell, investors heaven.

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