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post Mar 13 2010, 05:43 PM, updated 13y ago

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Here is the link to HTPC V1 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/263309

Remember to goto the old thread on the first page, do a topic search at the bottom of the page, chances are someone had already ask the same questions you had...and someone else had answered it.


Summary info :

A Home Theater PC (HTPC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_theater_PC or media PC is a convergence device that combines the functions of a personal computer(PC) and a digital video recorder(DVR). It is connected to a television or a television-sized computer display and is often used as a digital photo, music, and video player, TV receiver, and digital video recorder. Home theater PCs are also referred to as media center systems or media servers.

HTPC Articles :-
Ars Home Theater PC Guide http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/guides/2010...tpc-guide-1.ars
How To: AMD Guide for the Assembly of an HTPC http://blogs.amd.com/home/2009/10/20/how-t...bly-of-an-htpc/
Watching 1080P x.264 / MKV videos completely decoded by your graphics card http://www.guru3d.com/article/accelerate-x...-the-gpu-guide/


Raspberry Pi running RaspBMC
Main site http://www.raspberrypi.org/
RaspBMC http://www.raspbmc.com/
Windows Installations http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/windows-installation/
OS X / Linux Installations http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/os-x-linux-installation/
LYN Discussions http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2247098



Pre-built Systems:-

Dell Inspiron Zino HD http://www1.ap.dell.com/my/en/home/desktop...cs=mydhs1&s=dhs
Apple Mac Mini HTPC Guide http://www.tuaw.com/2009/08/21/ultimate-ma...guide-hardware/
ASRock ION 330 http://www.asrock.com/nettop/spec/ion%20330.asp



HTPC Chassis :-

Moneual : http://www.iuworld.net/pages.php?p=moncaso-chassis.html
XQBOX : http://www.xqbox.com.cn/
Antec Fusion http://www.anandtech.com/show/2637/6
Silverstone http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/enc...re.php?area=usa


Motherboards :-

AMD / Asus M4A785 HTPC http://my.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=uypox45wza0j3kz6
AMD / Asus M4A785-M (Micro-ATX) http://my.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=ef0qgvMIwOUagAVl
AMD / Gigabyte 785G boards : http://www.giga-byte.com/FileList/WebPage/..._amd-models.htm
AMD / MSI 785G-E53 http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc...=1∏_no=1899

Intel Core i3/5/7 / ASUS P7H55D-M PRO http://my.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=qWmZUAdNKeozTOXb
Intel Core i3/5/7 / Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Mother...?ProductID=3309

** AMD 785G chipsets with ATI HD4200 GC is not HD Audio ( 7.1 channel ) ready.


Recorder Card / Video Input Card :-

WinTV PVR 150 Media Center Edition : http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvr150mc.html
A common card used by most people to record Astro channels via analog signal


HTPC Software / Codec / Media Centers :-

Windows :-
Media Player Classic Homecinema :- http://mpc-hc.sourceforge.net/
K-Lite Codec :- http://www.free-codecs.com/download/K_lite_codec_pack.htm
Audio / Video Players http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/303752
LYN Multimedia section have lots of other multimedia software http://forum.lowyat.net/Multimedia

Windows / Linux / Mac : XBMC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XBMC
Windows / Linux / Mac : Boxee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxee


HTPC Video Input/Output :-
Digital HDMI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
Analog VGA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_connector
Analog Component :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video
Analog S-Video http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-video
Analog RCA (Yellow = Video ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector


HTPC Audio Output :-
Digital Non-HD Audio to older AV Receiver :- S/PDIF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/PDIF
Digital HD Audio HDMI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
Analog Audio RCA ( Red=right White=left ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector

HD Audio Definition :- http://www.hometheatermag.com/advicefromtheexperts/508audio/

HQV Benchmark 2.0 Analysis – ATi, nVidia and Intel
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-...a-and-intel/43/

Graphic Card Tweak Guides :-
ATI CCC Tweak Guides :- http://www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_1.html
nVidia ForceWare Tweak Guides :- http://www.tweakguides.com/NVFORCE_1.html


*** I am unbiased towards any brands, intel vs amd, ati vs nvidia or asus vs gigabytes vs msi or others... if you find any useful links or HTPC products to share with others, PM me and I will add them into the list for the benefits of others.

This post has been edited by stan001: Dec 6 2012, 10:15 AM
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post Mar 13 2010, 06:32 PM

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@stan01,

If you have enough time, can you compile list of software usually use in HTPC? Example, Interface=Windows MCE, Codec Pack=K-Lite.
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i suggest also to compile list of the requirements to get HD Audio Bitstreams....
3 HDMI options via:
a. sound cards
b. ATi 5xxx series video card
c. Clarkdale & chipset solution



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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 13 2010, 06:32 PM)
@stan01,

If you have enough time, can you compile list of software usually use in HTPC? Example, Interface=Windows MCE, Codec Pack=K-Lite.
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Bro, i think your rig is quite sufficient as an example. You can list down your too.. brows.gif

Mine

Acer H233H FULL HD
Gigabyte GeForce 210 512MB w HDMI
WD 160GB
Monster1000HD
MS Wireless 5000 Set
Cooler Master PSU
Cooler Master Tower Casing
Realtek HD Audio ACL888
ATP3 w SW
Windows 7 x64


I've got loads of "ahem" softwares like Cyberlink PowerDVD 9.2520 (Latest), Cyberlink BD Advisor, Corel WinDVD Pro 2010 (Latest release), CCleaner,MS Security Essentials, etc..cant remember leh..

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Hey there, I am having trouble setting my tv I just acquire..
It's a samsung series 6 LED LCD..

While the screen suppose to work perfectly @ 1080p, 1920x1080..
Problem arise that there is a narrow black border around them the screen.. making it not full screen another.. Thus causing the screen pixel to be "squeezed" and all font appeared to be out of focus..

Watching movie isn't a problem but when you try to read some webpage or filename it become tedious..

I am currently using a ati 4650 low profile gc to connect via HDMI, any help please? Haven't heard of samsung unable to to pixel mapping on the net so far...
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post Mar 14 2010, 12:45 AM

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I think HTPC need to be as low power consumption as possible with enough processing power to play all kind of format. Currently, some HTPC fans are looking for HD-audio capable system although I think it still not a mainstream and will cost a lot.

With my pc spec, I can play all type of format without any hiccups but the same for most pc system. In term of power consumption, my spec is not good enough and actually cost a lot. So, now looking for cheap and good system for HTPC.

3-4 months ago, I planned to build AMD system around 785g chipset but have to hold because at the same time I heard about Intel i3. I'm so attracted to i3+H55 combo because it capable of output HD-Audio, better graphic compare to G45 and higher energy efficiency. Here is my expected spec:

Processor : Intel i3 530
Mobo : Asus P7H55D-M PRO or Gigabyte GA-H55M-U2DH
Memory : 2GB 1333 DDR3
HD : WD Green 1Tb
Audio : Integrated
Video : Integrated
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Mar 14 2010, 12:26 AM)
Hey there, I am having trouble setting my tv I just acquire..
It's a samsung series 6 LED LCD..

While the screen suppose to work perfectly @ 1080p, 1920x1080..
Problem arise that there is a narrow black border around them the screen.. making it not full screen another.. Thus causing the screen pixel to be "squeezed" and all font appeared to be out of focus..

Watching movie isn't a problem but when you try to read some webpage or filename it become tedious..

I am currently using a ati 4650 low profile gc to connect via HDMI, any help please? Haven't heard of samsung unable to to pixel mapping on the net so far...
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go to CCC and set your overscan to 0%
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 14 2010, 12:45 AM)
@sKyWiR3pT3lTd

I think HTPC need to be as low power consumption as possible with enough processing power to play all kind of format. Currently, some HTPC fans are looking for HD-audio capable system although I think it still not a mainstream and will cost a lot.

With my pc spec, I can play all type of format without any hiccups but the same for most pc system. In term of power consumption, my spec is not good enough and actually cost a lot. So, now looking for cheap and good system for HTPC.

3-4 months ago, I planned to build AMD system around 785g chipset but have to hold because at the same time I heard about Intel i3. I'm so attracted to i3+H55 combo because it capable of output HD-Audio, better graphic compare to G45 and higher energy efficiency. Here is my expected spec:

Processor : Intel i3 530
Mobo : Asus P7H55D-M PRO or Gigabyte GA-H55M-U2DH
Memory : 2GB 1333 DDR3
HD : WD Green 1Tb
Audio : Integrated
Video : Integrated
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You're right, but not many GC or SC has capable of HD-Audio streaming yet (DTS-HD MA, Lossless)..nice spec though..
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 14 2010, 12:45 AM)
Processor : Intel i3 530
Mobo : Asus P7H55D-M PRO or Gigabyte GA-H55M-U2DH
Memory : 2GB 1333 DDR3
HD : WD Green 1Tb
Audio : Integrated
Video : Integrated
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What is the cost for the whole rig? Will it be able to handle a 32" HDTV?
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wats the difference between normal audio, n hd audi?? is there a dierence?
can u differentiate it?
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wats the difference between normal audio, n hd audi?? is there a dierence?
can u differentiate it?
(1) (High Definition audio) The latest digital surround sound formats supported by Blu-ray, such as Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD (Dolby Digital and DTS). The term may occasionally refer to DVD-Audio and SACD, both of which are high-resolution audio formats that had little market penetration (DVD-Audio and SACD).

(2) (High Definition Audio) A specification from Intel for advanced audio circuits on a PC motherboard. Introduced in 2004 and superseding AC'97, HD Audio provides eight channels (7.1) of 32-bit, 192kHz audio to support Dolby Digital and DTS surround sound formats. It includes automatic jack retasking, which enables the same port to be used for a speaker or a microphone. HD Audio also enables multiple audio streams to be sent to different rooms in the house.

(3) Controller and Codec
Like AC'97, HD Audio is made up of a controller connected to analog/digital codecs by a 5-wire TDM interface called "HD Audio Link." The two subsystems separate the digital controller, which is built into the PC chipset, from the analog circuits, which can be in a chip on the motherboard, a riser card or cabled close to the I/O connectors. For international certification (homologation), modem codecs are often placed on riser cards, which can be easily interchanged. See AC'97 and riser card.

Sourc : PC Mag

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QUOTE(robotizer @ Mar 14 2010, 08:34 AM)
wats the difference between normal audio, n hd audi?? is there a dierence?
can u differentiate it?
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Below u can see a different between normal and HD audio. The highest bitrate will produce highest quality of sound.

Maximum bitrate for normal audio
1- MP3 128kbps
2- Dolby Digital 448kbps
3- DTS 2mbps

Maximum bitrate for HD audio
1- Dolby Digital Plus 6mbps (lossy)
2- DTS-HD High Resolution 6mbps (lossy)
3- Dolby TrueHD 18mbps (lossless)
4- DTS-HD Master Audio 24.5mbps (lossless)

Source: pioneer

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QUOTE(robotizer @ Mar 14 2010, 08:34 AM)
wats the difference between normal audio, n hd audi?? is there a dierence?
can u differentiate it?
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in order to enjoy the hd audio. you need to have all requirements.
the source, the hd audio enabled htpc, the good home theater system.

for some ppl, htpc are troublesome as there is many thing to consider when build the system. therefore there is some ppl just get a simple blu-ray player instead of htpc.
but in this thread, is for us to enjoy the process of the htpc building..... thumbup.gif


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I plan to set up slowly my full HT within this 2 years. Right now, I haven't experience TrueHD and even now, I still haven't try Blu-Ray. Actually, HD-Audio is not so important to me right now but because realizing that in the near future this audio format will be use as a norm like current DTS, I try to build a HTPC with HD-Audio capable.

QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Mar 14 2010, 07:46 AM)
You're right, but not many GC or SC has capable of HD-Audio streaming yet (DTS-HD MA, Lossless)..nice spec though..
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A few months back when AMD 785g is the only cheap yet powerful HTPC solution, I have no choice but to buy Asus HDAV 1.3. AMD 758g can play hd-video smoothly but lack of HD-Audio and only output 5.1 audio so adding a souncard is better option.

For intel set up, because I can get cheap mobo as low as RM150, I think ATI HD5000 series is better option. Asus HDAV 1.3, last time I checked cost more than RM500 and ATI HD5000 more than RM300. But luckily, now Intel came out with their product line capable of bitstreaming HD-Audio and I have the patient to wait.

QUOTE(DarkNite @ Mar 14 2010, 08:30 AM)
What is the cost for the whole rig? Will it be able to handle a 32" HDTV?
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I try to use as few part as possible inside my HTPC and as cheap as possible without sacrificing its processing power. (Actually can get lower end DUAL CORE G6950).

I haven't bought the items yet becoz need to sell my current spec first. But here my estimated price:

Processor : Intel i3 530 --> RM 400
Mobo : Asus P7H55D-M PRO or Gigabyte GA-H55M-U2DH -->RM400
Memory : 2GB 1333 DDR3 --> RM170
HD : WD Green 1Tb --> RM285
Audio : Integrated
Video : Integrated
Other part use my current spec.

So total around RM12++.

If include all part (psu+casing+dvd-rom) can reach RM16++.
*Still looking for 2nd hand part to reduce the price.

I think with this spec, I can use any HDTV for display.


BTW, to any audiophile, for HD-Audio, do I need AVR to produce the sound? Because from my reading, HD-Audio need HDMI output so unless there is speaker that accept input through HDMI, we need the AVR. Right?


Added on March 14, 2010, 3:21 pm
QUOTE(djlah @ Mar 14 2010, 03:03 PM)
in order to enjoy the hd audio. you need to have all requirements.
the source, the hd audio enabled htpc, the good home theater system.

for some ppl, htpc are troublesome as there is many thing to consider when build the system. therefore there is some ppl just get a simple blu-ray player instead of htpc.
but in this thread, is for us to enjoy the process of the htpc building.....  thumbup.gif
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Yup, when I read all around the net, sometimes I thought why do I need to go though all the hassle? Why not just buy a blu-ray player or ps3? But like you said, I love to enjoy the building process while try to get as cheap as possible setup.

The cheapest AVR capable of True-HD I believe already cost RM1.4k not include speaker setup. HT really an expensive hobby. Also not include the BluRay disc.

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I think AVR is just absolute unnecessary , desktop 5.1 speakers good enough plugged into SC..
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QUOTE(robotizer @ Mar 14 2010, 08:34 AM)
wats the difference between normal audio, n hd audi?? is there a dierence?
can u differentiate it?
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Short answer...

Normal audio for Home Theater is DD / DTS - 5.1 channel audio output ( most of today HT systems should support it including those Home Theater in a Box (HTiB) )

HD Audio - 7.1 uncompressed/lossless - HD DD / HD DTS, must use HDMI due to high bandwidth requirements

If you have a very good ( expensive) home theater setup, YES, you can / might tell the differences when the source of the sound/recording is good.

Like the example of mp3 compressed audio (128kbps/192kbps/320kbps) vs lossless audio ( tons of discussions on this topics ), the better the sound equipments (DAC/Amp/Speakers), you "can" hear the differences of mp3 vs audio lossless.

Unlike picture ( HD = higher screen resolutions ), sound is sometimes a bit difficult to "hear" biggrin.gif






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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:16 PM)
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Yup, when I read all around the net, sometimes I thought why do you I need to go though all the hassle? Why not just buy a blu-ray player or ps3? But like you said, I love to enjoy the building process while try to get as cheap as possible setup.

The cheapest AVR capable of True-HD I believe already cost RM1.4k not include speaker setup. HT really an expensive hobby. Also not include the BluRay disc.
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if budget really tight and no plan for upgrade, maybe can just consider normal pc speaker like Logitech 5.1 which is the model come with Digital Connection. sound great.
I guess majority of user now don't spent too much on purchased of blu-ray disc. there is many source we can get like .m2ts or .ts format that capable to gave us TrueHD 7.1 or DTS-HD MA, don't ask where to get as all internet user are smart enough now. ELSE we can get used or second hand blu-ray disc.


IMHO, I will suggest to start with entry level avr, a pair of bookshelf speaker with cheap cable fist. buy a center speaker if still ok.
Second, after funding then buy a floorstander for front then the old, bookshelf move for rear speaker.
Third, funding again then upgrade to get powerful sub-woofer.
Fourth, get the another pair of speaker if you want to have or complete 7.1 channel sound.
lastly, when you have extra money on next 5 or 10 years, no problem to upgrade the decent avr, right...

if the space really not allow, just get entry level avr, contact our forumer here ksp_tech . he sell onkyo 5 channel satellite speaker just RM100. hang it on top the wall. in future just buy a power sub-woofer to place at corner of room. sound great!!!
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I think AVR is just absolute unnecessary , desktop 5.1 speakers good enough plugged into SC..
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desktop 5.1 can't tune the time alignment, LFE attenuation, room equalization, channel calibration.
desktop 5.1 can't tune a lot of things like an avr could, which makes the surround experience much more surreal.
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 15 2010, 09:45 AM)
desktop 5.1 can't tune the time alignment, LFE attenuation, room equalization, channel calibration.
desktop 5.1 can't tune a lot of things like an avr could, which makes the surround experience much more surreal.
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Of course AVR can do wonders, we are talking about HTPC , not Home Theater for your living room bro.. icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Mar 15 2010, 03:18 PM)
Of course AVR can do wonders, we are talking about HTPC , not Home Theater for your living room bro.. icon_idea.gif
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about sound card, only Asus able to provided HD Audio Bitstream if you need to. but kind of expensive.
for creative, the max can provided is up to DDL 5.1 via digital connection.
IMHO, tested 7.1 analog output still not really met my expectation. some more 4 cable+video cable.
so I still go for HDMI 1 cable settled everything...

anyway, still depend on your combination, all are close related; not just HTPC in order to meet our ultimate goal = "HD World"
unless you don't want about HD but go for only SD time... then no comment.
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Mar 15 2010, 03:18 PM)
Of course AVR can do wonders, we are talking about HTPC , not Home Theater for your living room bro.. icon_idea.gif
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i believe HTPC is a computer built for home theater use, no? hence the Home Theather Personal Computer name.
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My take is slightly different. For me sound quality is of higher priority, so for me, an AVR is basic necessity. But this following configuration is more future proof :

1. Get HTPC with basic graphic configuration (enough to run HD video of course.)

2. Buy a soundcard that can decode HD audio and with analogue audio output that supply latest sound config such as lossless HD sound.. unfortunately there are not many in the market place. One good product is Auzentech Home Theater HD which cost about RM1K ! I am still waiting for other product with similar spec.

3. Get a used out of date AVR, with NO HD DTS, even with normal Dolby Digital will do, but must have analogue audio input, ideally with 7 audio input, ie. an AVR that can serve as a power amp. Coupled with a set of speakers which u can upgrade initially from 5.1 to 7.1 in future.

Then use the Audio PCI card to decode HD DTS or lossless audio, feed its audio output to an old and much cheaper AVR as power amp.

In future, should there be any new audio format, just change the PCI audio card will do. It maybe expensive, but its still cheaper than RM6K AVR with latest technology.

Thats my take. and my sincere advice.
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Mar 15 2010, 07:35 PM)
My take is slightly different.  For me sound quality is of higher priority, so for me, an AVR is basic necessity.  But this following configuration is more future proof :

1. Get HTPC with basic graphic configuration (enough to run HD video of course.)

2.  Buy a soundcard that can decode HD audio and with analogue audio output that supply latest sound config such as lossless HD sound.. unfortunately there are not many in the market place. One good product is Auzentech Home Theater HD which cost about RM1K !  I am still waiting for other product with similar spec.

3. Get a used out of date AVR, with NO HD DTS, even with normal Dolby Digital will do, but must have analogue audio input, ideally with 7 audio input, ie. an AVR that can serve as a power amp.  Coupled with a set of speakers which u can upgrade initially from 5.1 to 7.1 in future.

Then use the Audio PCI card to decode HD DTS or lossless audio, feed its audio output to an old and much cheaper AVR as power amp.

In future, should there be any new audio format, just change the PCI audio card will do.  It maybe expensive, but its still cheaper than RM6K AVR with latest technology.

Thats my take. and my sincere advice.
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latest AVR that can decode DTS-HDMA & true-HD could be had for around RM1.5k
pair it with a cheap graphics card (ATI 5670, RM300) that could bitstream HD-audio, you're off with a good combo costing under RM2k
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 15 2010, 07:57 PM)
latest AVR that can decode DTS-HDMA & true-HD could be had for around RM1.5k
pair it with a cheap graphics card (ATI 5670, RM300) that could bitstream HD-audio, you're off with a good combo costing under RM2k
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Already the HTPC cost us approx 1XXX , now additional 1.5k for DTS-HD MA?. I like peter32's suggestion, get an AVR old ones with no DTS, Dolby should fit the bill..

Not everyone has the sort of cash to spend bro..but obviously im not against your idea, its far cheaper than HOME THEATER SETUP.. notworthy.gif thumbup.gif
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Already the HTPC cost us approx 1XXX , now additional 1.5k for DTS-HD MA?. I like peter32's suggestion, get an AVR old ones with no DTS, Dolby should fit the bill..

Not everyone has the sort of cash to spend bro..but obviously im not against your idea, its far cheaper than HOME THEATER SETUP.. notworthy.gif  thumbup.gif
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THAT is a home theater setup bro haha
ain't cheap i know. i could've gotten some media player to go with my home theater, but i chose the htpc way because i don't need a NAS setup for media library as the htpc supports a few hdd itself. if i went the media player way, i'm sure i'm gonna have to buy a NAS station after a while.

ain't no way a single 2TB hdd gonna be enough for my movies
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I agree. Nowadays for a decent price we can get a good featured AVR.

But with RM1.5K, u can get a used THX rated good powered AVR with old specs ! That alone is future proof. You can upgrade speakers without thinking of underpowered AVR in future.


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QUOTE(peter32 @ Mar 15 2010, 08:46 PM)
I agree.   Nowadays for a decent price we can get a good featured AVR.

But with RM1.5K, u can get a used THX rated good powered AVR with old specs !  That alone is future proof.  You can upgrade speakers without thinking of underpowered AVR in future.
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I'll probably gonna get that AVR with THX one for my HTPC.

Gonna give it a go and see if any good..

Thanks for the ideas.. thumbup.gif

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Wait...

Before u do, remember its not easy to get an audio card that can decode lossless HD audio into analogue and provide a pre-out from the sound card.

But you can easily find any sound card that has digital output, which u can hook it into an AVR. But that way you will lost the HD lossless feature.

So although my plan is economic, its hard to get a soundcard that does the movie decoding for the time being. I am still waiting for that to come to our shore....
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Mar 15 2010, 08:57 PM)
Wait...

Before u do, remember its not easy to get an audio card that can decode lossless HD audio into analogue and provide a pre-out from the sound card.

But you can easily find any sound card that has digital output, which u can hook it into an AVR.  But that way you will lost the HD lossless feature.

So although my plan is economic, its hard to get a soundcard that does the movie decoding for the time being.  I am still waiting for that to come to our shore....
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I know..its just my plan..im gonna wait for one too..
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 15 2010, 07:57 PM)
latest AVR that can decode DTS-HDMA & true-HD could be had for around RM1.5k
pair it with a cheap graphics card (ATI 5670, RM300) that could bitstream HD-audio, you're off with a good combo costing under RM2k
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we're in same boat.....
currently sound card solution still expensive. asus or auzentech with lossless digital output, price still not attractive (maybe the licence from dts or dobly lab are expensive too..). I don't understand why creative still haven't come out to compete on that?

ok, obviously we have 2 options of course.....
either analog or digital. tied with your preferable or budget. you choose for it....

for video, i guess is not a difficult issue as most of IGP can handled well too.
motherboard for htpc famous choice is m-atx i believe.
processor, just get the model with enough power to handled the hd movie. overkill processor is not an ideal as power consumption, noise/heat are the consideration...
but some of user need better mainstream prc as they need to perform convert or rip the movie.
for me, i need a htpc with 24/7 on and some light gaming also... power consumption is important in this case. 400W true power are enough for me.

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go to CCC and set your overscan to 0%
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Yeah thanks, but my text is still out of sync.. erm out of focus in other words.. Any idea about it? reading text is kinda difficult..

Dillema about the sound now, currently only doing stereo via 3.5mm jack.. I am thinking to get the cheapest possible usb soundcard with optical output, but it's not really cheap either. Too bad that my receiver doesn't come with hdmi
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so, let say

if i had Denon 1910 AVR pair with a HTPC with ATI 5850...

with the HDMI going from 5850 --> Denon 1910 --> HD TV

am i able to output 1080P + lossless audio ? (without the need of sound card)
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QUOTE(rlyp @ Mar 16 2010, 05:00 AM)
so, let say

if i had Denon 1910 AVR pair with a HTPC with ATI 5850...

with the HDMI going from 5850 --> Denon 1910 --> HD TV

am i able to output 1080P + lossless audio ? (without the need of sound card)
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generally yes. u should able to get lossless audio without the sound card as the video card itself already contain of the audio chip.
you can always test it, see your denon have the dts-hd ma or truehd light is on or not.
do you have blu-ray disc? or you can test the sample hd audio here:

Original sample (100MB)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/txz7i7

Remuxed by TsMuxer (101MB)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/yx8agd

From film Wanted

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ive got 30 copies of BD disc , been playing BD movies with my PS3...wanted to go HTPC for cheaper solution in long run haha..(softcopy BDISO)
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A bit off topic but still related: If your AVR has HDMI and supports Multi channel PCM/LPCM then you don't need to change to the newer models. Let your player (bluray,HTPC,etc.) decode the lossless audio and output it as LPCM. You'll still be able to enjoy lossless audio. Bit-streaming is when your AVR supports DTS-MA/Dolby TrueHD decoding. icon_rolleyes.gif
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yea, like my FAT ps3 cant do bitstream (unlike slim ps3) but i still can enjoy lossless audio if i got a HDMI HD AVR.

PS3 - optical cable - AVR
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yea, like my FAT ps3 cant do bitstream (unlike slim ps3) but i still can enjoy lossless audio if i got a HDMI HD AVR.

PS3 - optical cable - AVR
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so you already make up ur mind? get trueHD/DTS-HD AVR with blu-ray player or get HTPC ?
icon_idea.gif share with us the specs once you get HTPC thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(rlyp @ Mar 16 2010, 07:50 AM)
yea, like my FAT ps3 cant do bitstream (unlike slim ps3) but i still can enjoy lossless audio if i got a HDMI HD AVR.

PS3 - optical cable - AVR
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Good day lads,

What AVR youre hooked up your PS3 with Optical? What optical cable you use?
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currently using entry lvl amp (not even a HDMI amp) pioneer vsx 518

gonna get Denon 1910 next week. after that only go for HTPC lol...

i'm gonna go for gaming spec as well so i7 + ATI 5850 is a must d haha..

i'm using audioquest optical cable, no problem playing DTS and DD with the pioneer, but not TrueHD or DTS MA (until i get denon 1910)
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 15 2010, 09:45 AM)
desktop 5.1 can't tune the time alignment, LFE attenuation, room equalization, channel calibration.
desktop 5.1 can't tune a lot of things like an avr could, which makes the surround experience much more surreal.
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I think it is more of a combination of both HTPC and AVR...

For initial setup with minimal budget, desktop 5.1 does the job as most built-in soundcard supports it..

Later down the road, the path is to upgrade to a HTiB (HT in a Box) then to a proper AVR with separate speakers & subwoofers.

All depends on how much $$$ to spend..

HTPC is just more versatile ( flexible ) and with services like High Speed Broadband (HSBB), hopefully, one day we can just stream all the content directly from the Internet to our living room and cut off paid subscriptions for tv contents.

Lots of ISP are bidding for contents like BPL (football) to kickstart this trend that is happening in the US.








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Anyone could suggest , i'm planning to upgrade my GPU from Geforce 210 to GTX275, GTX285, GTX295.

Also, any Speaker system that you guys would like to suggest. Im currently on Altec Lansing ATP3 2.1.

Thanks in advance..
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QUOTE(stan001 @ Mar 16 2010, 01:51 PM)
I think it is more of a combination of both HTPC and AVR...

For initial setup with minimal budget, desktop 5.1 does the job as most built-in soundcard supports it..

Later down the road, the path is to upgrade to a HTiB (HT in a Box) then to a proper AVR with separate speakers & subwoofers.

All depends on how much $$$ to spend..

HTPC is just more versatile ( flexible ) and with services like High Speed Broadband (HSBB), hopefully, one day we can just stream all the content directly from the Internet to our living room and cut off paid subscriptions for tv contents.

Lots of ISP are bidding for contents like BPL (football) to kickstart this trend that is happening in the US.
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HTPC is a cheap solution if you want have a universal Home Theatre. With HTPC, you can play VCD, DVD, Blu-Ray and can play all kind of format available on the planet. But still, decent HT setup is far more better than HTPC with the cost of money. If not, those AVR, speaker, amp and all those HT equipment maker will gulung tikar.

For me, HTPC is one part of the HT. Instead of buying multiple player (DVD, Blu-ray etc), we can have all-in-one player. The most important we built it ourselves part by part!

Currently, I have bought all the part I mention in 1st page. Now in the process of installing.

BTW, anyone here now any free software for remote key mapping? I bought a cheap remote with IR blaster and it can control navigation of MCE quite well. Some button need to be change like fast forward/backward.
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Anyone heard about Lenovo HTPC ? Please look at the specs. USD499

"Lenovo has introduced a new HTPC, the IdeaCentre Q700. The system is comfortably nestled between the size and specifications of a nettop and full-blown HTPC. It should fit in perfectly with your other home theater equipment, and its hardware ought to chew through basic HTPC-oriented tasks.

The IdeaCentre Q700 is equipped with an Intel Pentium E5200 2.5GHz CPU and X4500 integrated graphics, 4GB of RAM, and the choice between a 320GB, 500GB or 640GB HDD. Although it's not available with a Blu-ray drive at the moment, it does come with a DVD burner.


It also houses an HDMI and VGA-out, TV tuner, eight USB 2.0 ports (split between front and back), Firewire, an eSATA connector, a 4-in-1 card reader, 5.1 surround sound outputs, gigabit Ethernet and Wi-Fi connectivity. Models are available with a remote and USB receiver dongle, and all ship with Vista Home Premium 64-bit installed.

Granted, you won't be playing high-end games on max with smooth frame rates but the Q700 crams a lot into its 2.36" x 7.87" x 9.84" box. The offer only looks better when you consider its $499 asking price
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Mar 16 2010, 06:22 PM)
Anyone could suggest , i'm planning to upgrade my GPU from Geforce 210 to GTX275, GTX285, GTX295.

Also, any Speaker system that you guys would like to suggest. Im currently on Altec Lansing ATP3 2.1.

Thanks in advance..
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GTX295 for HTPC? Wahh.. I though is for hardcore gaming. biggrin.gif
I'm not sure about Nvidia. But ATI 5xxx series can bitstream HD audio. Maybe u should consider it.
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Anyone here successfully bitstream HD audio from ATI 5xxx series when playing Bluray disc movie using BD-ROM?

I want to upgrade my HTPC so it can play bluray disc. But i'm affraid BD-ROM not support HD audio.
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Any input system recommended?
was looking into
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboard...s/3616&cl=us,en

actually more into dinovo edge.. but the price is...
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QUOTE(minimize @ Mar 17 2010, 05:21 PM)
GTX295 for HTPC? Wahh.. I though is for hardcore gaming.  biggrin.gif
I'm not sure about Nvidia. But ATI 5xxx series can bitstream HD audio. Maybe u should consider it.
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GTX275, the least i want to go for, plus its HDMI output , so no coversion required from dvi to hdmi..
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HTPC is a cheap solution if you want have a universal Home Theatre. With HTPC, you can play VCD, DVD, Blu-Ray and can play all kind of format available on the planet. But still, decent HT setup is far more better than HTPC with the cost of money. If not, those AVR, speaker, amp and all those HT equipment maker will gulung tikar.

For me, HTPC is one part of the HT. Instead of buying multiple player (DVD, Blu-ray etc), we can have all-in-one player. The most important we built it ourselves part by part!

Currently, I have bought all the part I mention in 1st page. Now in the process of installing.

BTW, anyone here now any free software for remote key mapping? I bought a cheap remote with IR blaster and it can control navigation of MCE quite well. Some button need to be change like fast forward/backward.
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no idea whether this fits your bill, but maybe you could give EventGhost a try. it supports a multitude of IR receivers

QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Mar 17 2010, 01:03 PM)
Anyone heard about Lenovo HTPC ? Please look at the specs. USD499

"Lenovo has introduced a new HTPC, the IdeaCentre Q700. The system is comfortably nestled between the size and specifications of a nettop and full-blown HTPC. It should fit in perfectly with your other home theater equipment, and its hardware ought to chew through basic HTPC-oriented tasks.

The IdeaCentre Q700 is equipped with an Intel Pentium E5200 2.5GHz CPU and X4500 integrated graphics, 4GB of RAM, and the choice between a 320GB, 500GB or 640GB HDD. Although it's not available with a Blu-ray drive at the moment, it does come with a DVD burner.
It also houses an HDMI and VGA-out, TV tuner, eight USB 2.0 ports (split between front and back), Firewire, an eSATA connector, a 4-in-1 card reader, 5.1 surround sound outputs, gigabit Ethernet and Wi-Fi connectivity. Models are available with a remote and USB receiver dongle, and all ship with Vista Home Premium 64-bit installed.

Granted, you won't be playing high-end games on max with smooth frame rates but the Q700 crams a lot into its 2.36" x 7.87" x 9.84" box. The offer only looks better when you consider its $499 asking price
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$499 X 3.4 = around RM1.7k
for that price, you could get much much better spec
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 17 2010, 06:15 PM)
no idea whether this fits your bill, but maybe you could give EventGhost a try. it supports a multitude of IR receivers
$499 X 3.4 = around RM1.7k
for that price, you could get much much better spec
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I know rm1.7k we could quote better spec. What im trying to say here is , DIY HTPC is far better and satisfying then getting a branded HTPC.

Acer too, offering such HTPC at higher cost , seen last was RM6999, which absolutely commercial branding price..

Better still DIY prices.. whistling.gif
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The fun in DIY HTPC in the process of doing the research for the different components, choosing the best specs you can afford, making sure they work nicely together and fixing any issues along the way ( like heat & cooling issues, software drivers and selecting wrong peripherals like cordless keyboard with very short range )...

It have been a very good and satisfied experience overall.. and still room for upgrades in the near future.. ( unlike commercial HTPC offerings )..


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Stan001, hope you dont mind im sharing the information for those users watching Blu-ray on HTPC

CyberLink Corp. today released CyberLink PowerDVD 10. Enabling Full HD and 3D Blu-ray playback, CyberLink PowerDVD 10 features TrueTheater 3D technology, upgrading the movie experience with 3D movie playback for DVD discs and video files. Meanwhile, the improved version of TrueTheater HD, optimized for the latest CPU/GPU acceleration technologies, enables the upscaling of both DVD movies and video files to HD. A "Mark II" update is scheduled for release this summer which will add Blu-ray 3D playback and 2D-to-3D video file conversion to their software.

With the initial release of PowerDVD 10, consumers will enjoy Blu-ray movies, plus the new features of CyberLink's advanced suite of TrueTheater technologies: TrueTheater 3D, TrueTheater HD, TrueTheater Noise Reduction, and TrueTheater Stabilizer.

Referring to PowerDVD 10 as a major milestone for CyberLink, Alice H. Chang, CyberLink CEO declared: "We're not just talking about an incremental shift in quality; PowerDVD 10 represents a new era of media entertainment, offering the best 3D and HD experience you can enjoy on the PC."

"We've upgraded playback quality for video files and music too, turning PowerDVD 10 into a unique universal player that enhances the visual and auditory experience for all kinds of media," said Alice H. Chang.

In addition to new playback features, PowerDVD 10 enables new online experiences, with more features for sharing movie reviews and live comments to social networks on Facebook, Twitter and MoovieLive.com.

CyberLink PowerDVD 10 offers the following features:

Blu-ray Movies in 3D:

* Blu-ray 3D, including comprehensive support for various 3D playback hardware, ensures exceptional playback quality for the soon-to-be-released Blu-ray 3D format. (A free "Mark II" upgrade will be made available to existing PowerDVD 10 Ultra users to enable Blu-ray 3D features.)
* Improved optimization for Intel Core Family Processors, NVIDIA CUDA and ATI Stream, delivers smooth playback for high-definition content by leveraging the power of the latest hardware acceleration technology.
* Lossless HD audio, including support for HDMI 1.3a, offers pure 8-channel Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD audio via a single cable.
* Fast Blu-ray loading enables consumers to access their Blu-ray movies on the PC up to four times faster.
* DVDs in 3D and HD
* Advanced Cyberlink TrueTheater 3D technology lets consumers transform their existing 2D DVD content into a 3D experience.
* HD upscaling for DVDs, using CyberLink TrueTheater HD technology, sharpens the image quality of standard definition content for playback on high-definition TVs and monitors.
* Enhanced Videos and Music
* Quality-enhancing TrueTheater Technology for videos improves the playback experience for video files, including real-time correction of home movies using TrueTheater Stabilizer and TrueTheater Noise Reduction. PowerDVD also includes TrueTheater HD, TrueTheater Motion, and TrueTheater Lighting for upscaling and enhancing video files too.
* TrueTheater Surround for music allows PowerDVD users to customize their playback experience according to their home theater hardware and personal taste, with a range of settings for optimizing audio playback.
* Extensive file format support enables playback of even more movie types, including QT, MOV, RM, RMVB, FLV, MKV, and 3GPP, and support for subtitle formats including smi, ass, ssa, psb, srt and sub.
* Refreshed universal player interface integrates access to movies, videos and music files, without compromising the traditional simplicity of the PowerDVD interface design.
* Playlist features allow consumers to easily create video and music playlists of their favorite media.

Movie Reviews and Live Comments

* MovieMarks offer a brand new way for PowerDVD users to bookmark, write and share movie reviews, by adding comments and descriptions to bookmarks of key movie scenes.
* Sharing MovieMarks on MoovieLive.com is a new feature allowing reviewers to upload their reviews to PowerDVD's online community MoovieLive.com. MovieMarks can be downloaded and shared.
* Short Comments allow users to post live updates to Facebook, Twitter and MoovieLive.com as they are watching their movie.
* PowerDVD Movie Page provides direct access to the latest content on MoovieLive.com, with links to recent movie reviews, trailers, and product tutorials, more in-depth movie information, and the ability to post live comments to Twitter and Facebook.

Support for Windows 7:

* Touch support allows users to navigate features by touch, including their Movie Collection via PowerDVD's FancyView interface.
* Ambient Light support offers compatibility with hardware featuring the power-saving feature of the latest notebooks.
* Support for Windows 7 music library features enables easy creation of music playlists and track management directly from within PowerDVD 10.

Product Availability

Cyberlink PowerDVD 10 is now available online, supporting the following languages: English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Chinese (Simplified and Traditional), Japanese, and Korean. Boxed versions will be available soon in retail stores worldwide. CyberLink also offers OEM versions to PC and peripheral manufacturing customers.

* CyberLink PowerDVD 10 Ultra 3D: $99.95
* CyberLink PowerDVD 10 Deluxe: $69.95
* CyberLink PowerDVD 10 (Standard): $49.95

Upgrade versions for previous PowerDVD versions are available starting at $29.95.

Note: Consumers who have purchased PowerDVD 10 Ultra 3D can upgrade their software for free to enable Blu-ray 3D playback and 3D video file playback. Available this summer.


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GTX275, the least i want to go for, plus its HDMI output , so no coversion required from dvi to hdmi..
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but still there's no support for HD audio bitstream.
a waste of money IMHO to buy a HDMI enable card, and still have to buy another card that supports HD audio streams in the future (when there is solutions to buy just one card)
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but still there's no support for HD audio bitstream.
a waste of money IMHO to buy a HDMI enable card, and still have to buy another card that supports HD audio streams in the future (when there is solutions to buy just one card)
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 18 2010, 05:33 AM)
but still there's no support for HD audio bitstream.
a waste of money IMHO to buy a HDMI enable card, and still have to buy another card that supports HD audio streams in the future (when there is solutions to buy just one card)
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At least to utilize the Picture quality for movie playback. Sound doesnt matter at the moment.. brows.gif whistling.gif
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Any input system recommended?
was looking into
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboard...s/3616&cl=us,en

actually more into dinovo edge.. but the price is...
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I'm using a Dinovo Mini.
It's great.
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QUOTE(wkw7889 @ Mar 18 2010, 02:00 PM)
I'm using a Dinovo Mini.
It's great.
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How much did that cost you?
Is it using a Blue tooth / Wireless to sync to your machine?
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 18 2010, 05:33 AM)
but still there's no support for HD audio bitstream.
a waste of money IMHO to buy a HDMI enable card, and still have to buy another card that supports HD audio streams in the future (when there is solutions to buy just one card)
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Bro Paskal, are u using BD-ROM in your HTPC?
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At least to utilize the Picture quality for movie playback. Sound doesnt matter at the moment.. brows.gif  whistling.gif
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no offence, but that is a failed logic.
you do know there's a graphics card that support both HDMI and HD bitstreaming. why you still wanna get something that lack one over the other?

and IMHO PQ for movie playback are not affected by which GC you have in the system. you could be running Intel GMA and still get the best PQ (if your CPU powerful enough to software decode the video)

QUOTE(minimize @ Mar 18 2010, 05:13 PM)
Bro Paskal, are u using BD-ROM in your HTPC?
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not currently. will be buying one in the near future.
why you ask?


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QFT.
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Shorthand for Quit F*(&ing Talking, QFT is slang used in chat and online forums to tell another user to stop talking.


if i'm spreading wrong info please correct me all knowledgeable one.
it would much appreciated if you could explain why i got a QFT from your holiness

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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 18 2010, 05:33 PM)
no offence, but that is a failed logic.
you do know there's a graphics card that support both HDMI and HD bitstreaming. why you still wanna get something that lack one over the other?
rclxub.gif You're right, its just needs a better software to decode.. whistling.gif

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Just curious , seriously you guys want DTS HD and HD audio out. Even the current 5.1 is good enough and yet some of us want full HD output for it. Anyway as long its digital and 5.1 and its HD , for me I'm okay with it.


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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 18 2010, 06:06 PM)
Just curious , seriously you guys want DTS HD and HD audio out. Even the current 5.1 is good enough and yet some of us want full HD output for it. Anyway as long its digital and 5.1 and its HD , for me I'm okay with it.
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some could hear the difference, some don't. like comparing mp3 to FLAC/APE.
most people can't hear the difference and are satisfied enough playing 192kbps mp3.
some on the other hand, hear a lot of difference between those two.
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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 18 2010, 06:06 PM)
Just curious , seriously you guys want DTS HD and HD audio out. Even the current 5.1 is good enough and yet some of us want full HD output for it. Anyway as long its digital and 5.1 and its HD , for me I'm okay with it.
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Turns out most people cant actually differentiate, but from a POV of a geeky person like most of us here (LYN), it appears that we always want the best in terms of hardware regardless the necessity..

It's sad I am running my HTPC at stereo..

I have a question, izzit possible to convert spdif into coaxial or optical?
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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Mar 18 2010, 07:10 PM)
Turns out most people cant actually differentiate, but from a POV of a geeky person like most of us here (LYN), it appears that we always want the best in terms of hardware regardless the necessity..

It's sad I am running my HTPC at stereo..

I have a question, izzit possible to convert spdif into coaxial or optical?
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IINM, SPDIF IS transmitted over coaxial. SPDIF is the codec used, and could be transmitted over coax or optical.
SPDIF is a stereo codec
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 18 2010, 07:19 PM)
IINM, SPDIF IS transmitted over coaxial. SPDIF is the codec used, and could be transmitted over coax or optical.
SPDIF is a stereo codec
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Guess a HDMI AVR is almost a must nowadays.. I have no complain regarding my current AVR except it only support coaxial and optical.. it's even difficult to find a slim profile soundcard..
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not currently. will be buying one in the near future.
why you ask?
Ok. I thought u already have it. So want ask ur experience using it. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 18 2010, 05:33 PM)

and IMHO PQ for movie playback are not affected by which GC you have in the system. you could be running Intel GMA and still get the best PQ (if your CPU powerful enough to software decode the video)
My experience says there is a difference. I was using Nvidia 7100 IGP then switched to discrete Nvidia GT210.... big difference in colour and everything else....
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QUOTE(prasys @ Mar 18 2010, 06:06 PM)
Just curious , seriously you guys want DTS HD and HD audio out. Even the current 5.1 is good enough and yet some of us want full HD output for it. Anyway as long its digital and 5.1 and its HD , for me I'm okay with it.
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Last time I also feel DD5.1 is good enough until I try to hear HD audio (TrueHD/DTS-HD). My ears can hear a different. Right now because I always hear HD audio then I know current/normal audio not very good enough. nod.gif


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My experience says there is a difference. I was using Nvidia 7100 IGP then switched to discrete Nvidia GT210.... big difference in colour and everything else....
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there is a difference in PQ when watching movie?
guess i gotta have to plug my PCI-e GC to test it out. i'm sure i left it in a drawer somewhere
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Just finish configure Shark007 Windows 7 codec + its x64 components on my freshly installed Windows 7 x64.

Actually, I don't know what is the problem with my current setup because the same codec I installed in my Acer 4740 (i5 430m laptop), it work just fine without any configuration. However, with my i3 530 system, WMP failed to play the video. It just show green screen with sound at the background. So after playing with a few setting, this is the best setting I have. I don't know if it use hardware acceleration or not but my cpu utilization barely reach 20%.

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At first, I just try to enable "Use FFDshow DXVA codec" and it play wonderfully with very low cpu utilization (hardly reach 10%) but if subtitle is enable, the picture behind the subtitle will be jagged.

BTW, if compare to my old e8400 system, current system is much colder than before. The CPU temp is only 35C for current if compare to 50C for e8400. Plus, it only running using stock HSF.

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Mar 18 2010, 09:51 PM)
Guess a HDMI AVR is almost a must nowadays.. I have no complain regarding my current AVR except it only support coaxial and optical.. it's even difficult to find a slim profile soundcard..
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same situation also. we cannot get slim profile hdmi sound card but now we can get entry level ATi 5xxx that have low profile available. bingo..
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Looking for cheapest mobo...my requirement..
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-play 1080p & BD
-cheaper solution compared to dual ATOM + ION...
I just dont know what mobo to use. Cracking my head already searching LYN for it..
Any mobo price approx at 200-300 (exc. processor) with chipset able to meet my requirement?
Thanks.
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my upcoming setup = 32' led tv, bluray player, htpc and a pioneer home theater look like this

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Until now, I have using mobo sound card and video chip from the 785 series, it works perfectly. I use the optical audio output from the mobo and decode with my AVR (NAD T763), other than some software tweak to make digital SPDIF output as standard in software side, I don't have any problem decoding the sound from the BD disc.

Except one problem. It can't decode Lossless HD sound. But it can play DTS HD sound from the BD disc, and played flawlessly.

Can I tell the difference between those DTS or HD DTS? I don't think so, but to be honest, we will need a blindfold test in order to know. Its not fair to comment without proper test environment.

Lossless HD audio can only be transmitted via HDMI cable to the AVR that has such connection. My AVR is old style DTS ES etc.. no hdmi.
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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 19 2010, 11:51 AM)
Looking for cheapest mobo...my requirement..
-mini-itx
-play 1080p & BD
-cheaper solution compared to dual ATOM + ION...
I just dont know what mobo to use. Cracking my head already searching LYN for it..
Any mobo price approx at 200-300 (exc. processor) with chipset able to meet my requirement?
Thanks.
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already check Zotac GeForce 9300-ITX WiFi Motherboard ?
you prefer intel or amd? for mini-itx, Zotac are quite popular brand.

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already check Zotac GeForce 9300-ITX WiFi Motherboard ?
you prefer intel or amd? for mini-itx, Zotac are quite popular brand.
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thanks for the reply.
I dont mind intel of AMD....most importantly is the cost... blush.gif
Zotac is quite on the high side (in term of price), right?
I was thinking MSI or anything equivalent, but not sure whether it is available or not....
so far if found nothing when searching here...
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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 19 2010, 02:24 PM)
Bro,
thanks for the reply.
I dont mind intel of AMD....most importantly is the cost... blush.gif
Zotac is quite on the high side (in term of price), right?
I was thinking MSI or anything equivalent, but not sure whether it is available or not....
so far if found nothing when searching here...
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maybe you can consider micro-ATX, more room for upgrading. In future you can add some video capture card for Astro or TV Recording. hmm.gif
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maybe you can consider micro-ATX, more room for upgrading. In future you can add some video capture card for Astro or TV Recording.  hmm.gif
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Mirco-ITX is a good idea. But considering the size....hahaha..so malas one lah... tongue.gif
Found this Intel DG41MJ at ~RM300....
i'm still researching on it..

Found this review...http://www.silentpcreview.com/article960-page7.html

Conclusion...
The Intel DG41MJ is very power efficient, and with the exception of an actual high bitrate H.264 encoded Blu-ray movie, plays most content with little difficulty. The chipsets run fairly cool, but the board's automated fan control system is a disappointment. It is too passive, letting the processor get too hot before kicking in, and once activated, it is not aggressive enough in the face of high CPU temperatures. It may be optimized for use with Intel's stock heatsink/fan, or another HSF that has higher native speed than the fans we tested with. It is probably best to disable it if you plan to stress the system on a regular basis.

The DG45FC is equally power efficient, but its video decoding ability is superior. In addition, it offers a bevy of features including HDMI, S/PDIF, RAID, eSATA, an extra SATA port, and a PCI-E 1x slot instead of PCI. Not everyone needs these extra features, but in particular, digital audio and video outputs are essential for the most common application of mini-ITX systems: Home theater PC. Between the two, we would choose the DG41MJ only if cost was a major issue because the DG45FC can be had for only $25~$30 more. (It should be noted that both Intel boards only support processors rated 65W or lower.)
This one tested with Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 processor - 2.53GHz, 45nm, 65W

total price still almost the same with board with dual atom ION... mad.gif

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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 19 2010, 02:47 PM)
Mirco-ITX is a good idea. But considering the size....hahaha..so malas one lah...  tongue.gif
Found this Intel DG41MJ at ~RM300....
i'm still researching on it..

Found this review...http://www.silentpcreview.com/article960-page7.html

Conclusion...
The Intel DG41MJ is very power efficient, and with the exception of an actual high bitrate H.264 encoded Blu-ray movie, plays most content with little difficulty. The chipsets run fairly cool, but the board's automated fan control system is a disappointment. It is too passive, letting the processor get too hot before kicking in, and once activated, it is not aggressive enough in the face of high CPU temperatures. It may be optimized for use with Intel's stock heatsink/fan, or another HSF that has higher native speed than the fans we tested with. It is probably best to disable it if you plan to stress the system on a regular basis.

The DG45FC is equally power efficient, but its video decoding ability is superior. In addition, it offers a bevy of features including HDMI, S/PDIF, RAID, eSATA, an extra SATA port, and a PCI-E 1x slot instead of PCI. Not everyone needs these extra features, but in particular, digital audio and video outputs are essential for the most common application of mini-ITX systems: Home theater PC. Between the two, we would choose the DG41MJ only if cost was a major issue because the DG45FC can be had for only $25~$30 more. (It should be noted that both Intel boards only support processors rated 65W or lower.)
This one tested with Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 processor - 2.53GHz, 45nm, 65W

total price still almost the same with board with dual atom ION... mad.gif
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Why not consider Intel core i3 + H55 Mobo, i3 have everything you want in HTPC. One chip for all. thumbup.gif

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3704&p=3
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i3 & H55? if i have those kind of budget, i will not be asking in the first place....hahahahaha..!!


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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 19 2010, 03:47 PM)
i3 & H55? if i have those kind of budget, i will not be asking in the first place....hahahahaha..!!
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IMHO the lowest budget HTPC right now should be from AMD chip.
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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 19 2010, 02:47 PM)
Mirco-ITX is a good idea. But considering the size....hahaha..so malas one lah...  tongue.gif
Found this Intel DG41MJ at ~RM300....
i'm still researching on it..

Found this review...http://www.silentpcreview.com/article960-page7.html

Conclusion...
The Intel DG41MJ is very power efficient, and with the exception of an actual high bitrate H.264 encoded Blu-ray movie, plays most content with little difficulty. The chipsets run fairly cool, but the board's automated fan control system is a disappointment. It is too passive, letting the processor get too hot before kicking in, and once activated, it is not aggressive enough in the face of high CPU temperatures. It may be optimized for use with Intel's stock heatsink/fan, or another HSF that has higher native speed than the fans we tested with. It is probably best to disable it if you plan to stress the system on a regular basis.

The DG45FC is equally power efficient, but its video decoding ability is superior. In addition, it offers a bevy of features including HDMI, S/PDIF, RAID, eSATA, an extra SATA port, and a PCI-E 1x slot instead of PCI. Not everyone needs these extra features, but in particular, digital audio and video outputs are essential for the most common application of mini-ITX systems: Home theater PC. Between the two, we would choose the DG41MJ only if cost was a major issue because the DG45FC can be had for only $25~$30 more. (It should be noted that both Intel boards only support processors rated 65W or lower.)
This one tested with Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 processor - 2.53GHz, 45nm, 65W

total price still almost the same with board with dual atom ION... mad.gif
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Intel DG41MJ is using intel G41 chipset, the same chipset use in current intel lower-end mobo. It utilize Intel GMA X4500. This intergrated graphic accelerator doesn' support HD video so most HD video will be process by the processor, not X4500. I own one before (G41M-ES2L).

If you plan to play HD video (h264,1080p files) and planning to use the integrated graphic, then go for DG45FC but the price much more expensive than H55 chipset mobo which is more superior (sadly, hard to find mini-itx version).

QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 19 2010, 03:47 PM)
i3 & H55? if i have those kind of budget, i will not be asking in the first place....hahahahaha..!!
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What your budget?
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mobo ~200, processor ~200. The lesser the better..tongue.gif
after browsing so far, realized impossible to get mini-itx with that kind of budget.
So have to settle for AMD micro-atx.....and based on my reading...i can even go for x2 (instead of x4) cpu if i get a 'sufficient' GPU to do the decoding....
Question now, what is the minimum GPU shud i go for..?

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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 20 2010, 02:12 AM)
mobo ~200, processor ~200. The lesser the better..tongue.gif
after browsing so far, realized impossible to get mini-itx with that kind of budget.
So have to settle for AMD micro-atx.....and based on my reading...i can even go for x2 (instead of x4) cpu if i get a 'sufficient' GPU to do the decoding....
Question now, what is the minimum GPU shud i go for..?
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the cheapest gpu that could do hd audio bitstreaming is the ati 5450. do check if it's available now in stores. last time i check it's not yet in the market, but already released overseas.
other choices is the ati 5670 or the ati 5770. cheapest should be RM300.

but if budget is really limited, then you might as well let the cpu decode and just run the internal graphics
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 20 2010, 06:38 AM)
the cheapest gpu that could do hd audio bitstreaming is the ati 5450. do check if it's available now in stores. last time i check it's not yet in the market, but already released overseas.
other choices is the ati 5670 or the ati 5770. cheapest should be RM300.

but if budget is really limited, then you might as well let the cpu decode and just run the internal graphics
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Hello mate,

Good morning.. woke up so early today eh? Going to work? Btw, IYHO , do you think ATI GPU are better than NVIDIA GPU's?.

I'm considering of migration to ATI instead of my current GeForce 210, to ATI GPU, but haven't got a clue which i should go for..

Please shed some light.. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 18 2010, 05:33 PM)
no offence, but that is a failed logic.
you do know there's a graphics card that support both HDMI and HD bitstreaming. why you still wanna get something that lack one over the other?

and IMHO PQ for movie playback are not affected by which GC you have in the system. you could be running Intel GMA and still get the best PQ (if your CPU powerful enough to software decode the video)
not currently. will be buying one in the near future.
why you ask?


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i never used QFT before and it turns out:
if i'm spreading wrong info please correct me all knowledgeable one.
it would much appreciated if you could explain why i got a QFT from your holiness
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QFT = Quoted for Truth la. doh.gif
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QFT = Quoted for Truth la. doh.gif
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Paskal, please use google next time.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Mar 20 2010, 09:23 AM)
QFT = Quoted for Truth la. doh.gif
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 20 2010, 09:34 AM)
Paskal, please use google next time.
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weh i did use google lah.
i put 'jargon qft' into the search field.
the quit fuking talking is the first result. doh.gif

haha. mana i know the abbreviation for other thing. tongue.gif
sorry sorry


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Hello mate,

Good morning.. woke up so early today eh? Going to work? Btw, IYHO , do you think ATI GPU are better than NVIDIA GPU's?.

I'm considering of migration to ATI instead of my current GeForce 210, to ATI GPU, but haven't got a clue which i should go for..

Please shed some light.. icon_question.gif
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i'm an early bird tongue.gif
today is weekend la, nobody works on weekend. no offence to you guys that's working. biggrin.gif

you wanna game or not?
if wanna game then get the highest that supports hd bitstreaming, ati 5770.
else get the 5670. if budget really short wait and get the 5450.
but don't trust me, as i have no idea whether the 5770 is any good for gaming. i don't game for many years. i just think the higher number translates to higher gaming performance biggrin.gif

i think i read somewhere that gaming for hdtv should only be left for console. and i do agree. get a ps3 slim and you could do gaming plus you get a blueray player with bitstreaming ability. i think just RM1k-something now.

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i have yet to do any searching...but what is hd bit streaming..?
if 300 is the cost for minimum graphic card for 1080p playback, might as well dump the money on the processor then...300-400 can get a quad proc already...
next i guess i have to do research on sub 200 mobo then...assuming that quad processor can do the decoding with onboard graphic..
thanks for the help guys...
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Bit-streaming is passing of lossless/uncompress audio (DTS-MA, Dolby TrueHD, LPCM) to be decoded by say your AVR if it supports it. Else let the player do it.
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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 20 2010, 02:12 AM)
mobo ~200, processor ~200. The lesser the better..tongue.gif
after browsing so far, realized impossible to get mini-itx with that kind of budget.
So have to settle for AMD micro-atx.....and based on my reading...i can even go for x2 (instead of x4) cpu if i get a 'sufficient' GPU to do the decoding....
Question now, what is the minimum GPU shud i go for..?
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Mini-itx will cost a lots more than micro-atx.

AMD is good choice if you want build cheap htpc specially with it 785G chipset. If you couple with AMD Athlon II X2 250, it already capable of playing 1080p movies. Processor you can find around RM200 or below but for mobo RM3++.

QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 20 2010, 06:49 PM)
i have yet to do any searching...but what is hd bit streaming..?
if 300 is the cost for minimum graphic card for 1080p playback, might as well dump the money on the processor then...300-400 can get a quad proc already...
next i guess i have to do research on sub 200 mobo then...assuming that quad processor can do the decoding with onboard graphic..
thanks for the help guys...
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Most probably you will not using hd bit streaming and you may forget about it. It need AVR to decode it, and an AVR cost almost the same as HTPC and usually higher.

Like above suggestion, AMD Athlon II X2 250 is good enough or you can get Phenom II x2 550 and unlock it core to get quad.
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Like above suggestion, AMD Athlon II X2 250 is good enough or you can get Phenom II x2 550 and unlock it core to get quad.
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this is the first time i've heard such thing. biggrin.gif
any tips on buying these unlock-able chips? any particular batches to look for?
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 20 2010, 10:45 PM)
this is the first time i've heard such thing. biggrin.gif
any tips on buying these unlock-able chips? any particular batches to look for?
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Like you, I planned to build cheap HTPC months ago and I stumbled on the unlocking idea from some forums. I still don't have any experience on the unlcoking part so don't know about the stability or the success rate, but as far as I know, with a good chipset like 785g, you can unlock several processor like AMD 140 and 550BE. Please google "Phenom 550 unlocking" and you'll find lots of articles.
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Like you, I planned to build cheap HTPC months ago and I stumbled on the unlocking idea from some forums. I still don't have any experience on the unlcoking part so don't know about the stability or the success rate, but as far as I know, with a good chipset like 785g, you can unlock several processor like AMD 140 and 550BE. Please google "Phenom 550 unlocking" and you'll find lots of articles.
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i've already got me a htpc as i've salvaged parts from my unused desktops and got me a free one. tongue.gif
and right now i'm contemplating to either buy a cheap ati 5450/5670 to get hd audio or get me an i3 and h55 because i have 4gb of ddr3 module lying around tongue.gif

my current htpc mobo only supports 4 sata drive and i'm gonna need at least 6 (more like 8 ports) for all my media library. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 20 2010, 11:29 PM)
i've already got me a htpc as i've salvaged parts from my unused desktops and got me a free one. tongue.gif
and right now i'm contemplating to either buy a cheap ati 5450/5670 to get hd audio or get me an i3 and h55 because i have 4gb of ddr3 module lying around tongue.gif

my current htpc mobo only supports 4 sata drive and i'm gonna need at least 6 (more like 8 ports) for all my media library. laugh.gif
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shocking.gif So many. Why not build a NAS?

Currently I'm using i3+h55 but still haven't test the HD audio because no avr to test. For 1080p video, it can play the video smoothly with my cpu utilization barely reach 20%.
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shocking.gif So many. Why not build a NAS?

Currently I'm using i3+h55 but still haven't test the HD audio because no avr to test. For 1080p video, it can play the video smoothly with my cpu utilization barely reach 20%.
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i've filled 3 of my 1.5tb in 3 month laugh.gif now on the 4th drive
NAS with 8 port is expensive. i reckon the same price (or higher) than a htpc.
then you'd need another media player to read from the NAS. and you'd also need a gigabit switch (just to be safe) for a judder free bd.iso playback.
and the last i checked, all (or nearly all) media player have at least some problem reading streamed bd.iso from the network.
the total procurement cost of 8 port NAS with all supporting hardware could be even higher than me upgrading to a new mobo and cpu.

so all in all, a htpc is the most logical choice.
gigabyte h55m-usb3 has 7 internal sata port and 1 external esata port. jayacom pricelist states RM395 for it
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 21 2010, 12:08 AM)
shocking.gif So many. Why not build a NAS?

Currently I'm using i3+h55 but still haven't test the HD audio because no avr to test. For 1080p video, it can play the video smoothly with my cpu utilization barely reach 20%.
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Are you using the i3+h55 to build a NAS? Can give tips on building a NAS with transfer rate more than 70 megabytes/sec over a gigabit LAN, for storing movies, music collections, photos and BlueRay rips?
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Are you using the i3+h55 to build a NAS? Can give tips on building a NAS with transfer rate more than 70 megabytes/sec over a gigabit LAN, for storing movies, music collections, photos and BlueRay rips?
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Of course not using i3+h33 as a NAS. It will be over powered. Atom is a good option but sadly most atom board only have 2 sata port.
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 20 2010, 09:26 PM)
Mini-itx will cost a lots more than micro-atx.

AMD is good choice if you want build cheap htpc specially with it 785G chipset. If you couple with AMD Athlon II X2 250, it already capable of playing 1080p movies. Processor you can find around RM200 or below but for mobo RM3++.
Most probably you will not using hd bit streaming and you may forget about it. It need AVR to decode it, and an AVR cost almost the same as HTPC and usually higher.

Like above suggestion, AMD Athlon II X2 250 is good enough or you can get Phenom II x2 550 and unlock it core to get quad.
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785g mobo does come with a built in graphic?
Actually, getting an AVR is part of the whole so-called masterplan....coz will need it for my other input..i.e. ps3, byond, 360...
So, will that actually affect the htpc mobo that i need to select? i thought audio output, coaxial/optical/equiv is standard?
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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 22 2010, 09:07 AM)
785g mobo does come with a built in graphic?
Actually, getting an AVR is part of the whole so-called masterplan....coz will need it for my other input..i.e. ps3, byond, 360...
So, will that actually affect the htpc mobo that i need to select? i thought audio output, coaxial/optical/equiv is standard?
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785G come with Integrated Graphic Processor optimized for HD video. However, it is unable to pass uncompressed multi-channel (8 channel) LPCM audio over hdmi and also can't pass TrueHD or DTS-HD audio over its HDMI output, either. So, if 5.1 audio channel is enough for you, I believe this is a good AMD mobo chipset.

You also include an AVR in your masterplan so I assume you want to take advantage most of Blu-ray technologies. In that case, either you buy cheap mobo and buy ATI 5000 series or go all the way to i3+h55/h57. Both combo can provide you with good support for HD video and also HD audio bitstreaming.

AFAIK, coax and optical can't carry the high def audio on plain dts and dolby digital.

This I quote from AVForums.com
"Due to bandwidth issue, both can only support stereo pcm. Normal DD/DTS is fine over optical/coax but the HD audio tracks such as uncompressed 5.1 pcm/dolby TrueHD can only be carried over HDMI or (5.1/6.1) analogue output. "
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i was going for785g route already. I thought once you have the built in optical/coaxial output, you are OK already.
if that is the case, can i just get an external sound card and have that whatever TrueHD/DTS-HD capability.
5.1 is ok by me....TrueHD/DTS-HD is not 5.1?
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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 22 2010, 01:32 PM)
i was going for785g route already. I thought once you have the built in optical/coaxial output, you are OK already.
if that is the case, can i just get an external sound card and have that whatever TrueHD/DTS-HD capability.
5.1 is ok by me....TrueHD/DTS-HD is not 5.1?
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Asus have one model Asus HDAV 1.3 which cost around RM500. But this card, if I'm not mistaken also can't decode HD audio instead like Ati 5000 series and i3+H55, it just passes the signals through to your A/V receiver.

I'm sorry that I give you wrong explanation before. I mean 5.1 is via audio analogue connection not through hdmi cable. 785g only support 2-channel LPCM.

For HD audio details, better you ask in Audiophile because lots of sifu there.
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Asus HDAV 1.3 doesn't decode HD audio? Sure or not? hmm.gif

QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 22 2010, 02:12 PM)
Asus have one model Asus HDAV 1.3 which cost around RM500. But this card, if I'm not mistaken also can't decode HD audio instead like Ati 5000 series and i3+H55, it just passes the signals through to your A/V receiver.

I'm sorry that I give you wrong explanation before. I mean 5.1 is via audio analogue connection not through hdmi cable. 785g only support 2-channel LPCM.

For HD audio details, better you ask in Audiophile because lots of sifu there.
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Asus HDAV 1.3 doesn't decode HD audio? Sure or not?  hmm.gif
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i think it's done on the software side, by a decoder like the ffdshow audio decoder.
go into ffdshow audio decoder config, check the codes page.
by default ffdshow uses libavcodec to decode trueHD stream.

i might be wrong though, since i've never played any truehd stuffs on mine.yet.
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 22 2010, 06:06 PM)
i think it's done on the software side, by a decoder like the ffdshow audio decoder.
go into ffdshow audio decoder config, check the codes page.
by default ffdshow uses libavcodec to decode trueHD stream.

i might be wrong though, since i've never played any truehd stuffs on mine.yet.
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How much did that cost you?
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There are some alternatives product from china for keyboard + mouse.

http://www.tomtop.com/mini-wireless-pc-key...91b_p10961.html
http://usb.brando.com/lenovo-mini-wireless...58c034d015.html
http://www.tomtop.com/2-4G-Wireless-Mini-K...09B_p10332.html

I bought this model but the trackball is not good. Have lots of problems wit it.
http://usb.brando.com/usb-2-4ghz-rf-wirele...78c034d015.html

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Asus HDAV 1.3 doesn't decode HD audio? Sure or not?  hmm.gif
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I'm not certain. May be I got confuse with the slim version. rclxub.gif

QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 22 2010, 06:06 PM)
i think it's done on the software side, by a decoder like the ffdshow audio decoder.
go into ffdshow audio decoder config, check the codes page.
by default ffdshow uses libavcodec to decode trueHD stream.

i might be wrong though, since i've never played any truehd stuffs on mine.yet.
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So, Asus HDAV 1.3 doesn't do hardware decode of HD audio?
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So, Asus HDAV 1.3 doesn't do hardware decode of HD audio?
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HD audio decoding are done on the software level. it's not done by the pc hardware, but by the pc software playing the video stream.
and most of the time audio-aware people don't like this to happen. they want the AVR to do all the decoding using the avr's high performance DAC and DSP.

i think you still don't understand all this jargon laugh.gif
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 22 2010, 08:51 PM)
HD audio decoding are done on the software level. it's not done by the pc hardware, but by the pc software playing the video stream.
and most of the time audio-aware people don't like this to happen. they want the AVR to do all the decoding using the avr's high performance DAC and DSP.

i think you still don't understand all this jargon laugh.gif
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That's why I said Asus HDAV 1.3 doesn't decode the HD audio instead it passthrough the audio and let the AVR do the decoding.

Yup, I'm not those audio-ware poeple biggrin.gif because my pocket is not big enough cry.gif .
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 22 2010, 09:06 PM)
That's why I said Asus HDAV 1.3 doesn't decode the HD audio instead it passthrough the audio and let the AVR do the decoding.

Yup, I'm not those audio-ware poeple  biggrin.gif because my pocket is not big enough  cry.gif .
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that's right. the card did not anything complicated job but most important is the hardware enabled to passthrough. this is most valuable of card as Asus need pay dobly/dts.
why other onboard HDMI unable to do so because of the PAP. this is what we want and always discuss HD Audio Bitstream. and we need HDMI HD AVR.
we don't want the software decode but let the AVR do the job which are better. If you're not planning to have the HD AVR then no point you have passthrough card.

ffdshow+mpc-hc just a software to enable you to read the HD video and HD Audio, other commercial software will be TMT that bundled by Asus.
Asus Slim version card are exactly same with normal Asus PCIe card. Slim just only using PCI and remove all analog feature. cheaper of course.

let's forgot about Asus, dude...... now ATI 5xxx series already can handled, PDVD also can support together. personally still prefer ffdshow+mpc-hc.


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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 22 2010, 01:32 PM)
i was going for785g route already. I thought once you have the built in optical/coaxial output, you are OK already.
if that is the case, can i just get an external sound card and have that whatever TrueHD/DTS-HD capability.
5.1 is ok by me....TrueHD/DTS-HD is not 5.1?
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if you're fine with 5.1 and no plan to upgrade 7.1 or TrueHD/DTS-HD. no need to get external sound card.
for example onboard ATI 4xxx motherboad or NVIDIA nForce 730i / GeForce 9300 Chipset. there are able to do 5.1 already.
if you want low budget, no need to add-on card for that....

TrueHD/DTS-HD MA have both 5.1 and 7.1 standard. it's depend on the movie studio producer.

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The HDAV 1.3 features Protected Audio Playback Systems (PAPS) and is full Advanced Access Content System (AACS) certified. Combined with Asus version of Arcsoft's TMT (currently TMT3), the HDAV 1.3 will decode DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD. Without those standards your Blu-Ray audio will be downsampled to 48khz/16bit audio aka DVD quality and lose the bit-for-bit lossless quality.

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Added on March 22, 2010, 10:22 pm
if you're fine with 5.1 and no plan to upgrade 7.1 or TrueHD/DTS-HD. no need to get external sound card.
for example onboard ATI 4xxx motherboad or NVIDIA  nForce 730i / GeForce 9300 Chipset. there are able to do 5.1 already.
if you want low budget, no need to add-on card for that....

TrueHD/DTS-HD MA have both 5.1 and 7.1 standard. it's depend on the movie studio producer.
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If as said the ati 5XXX can do TrueHD/DTS-HD bitstream.....it will be done thru HDMI right? any card that can offer thru optical/coaxial? This upgrade can always be done later right?
And it means, you will need TrueHD/DTS-HD capable AVR?


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If as said the ati 5XXX can do TrueHD/DTS-HD bitstream.....it will be done thru HDMI right? any card that can offer thru optical/coaxial? This upgrade can always be done later right?
And it means, you will need TrueHD/DTS-HD capable AVR?
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yes, you're right. just forgot about optical/coaxial.....if you're interested on TrueHD/DTS-HD MA.
you can add the ATi 5xxx series later when you have TrueHD/DTS-HD capable AVR.
what AVR are you using now?
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QUOTE(djlah @ Mar 24 2010, 07:48 AM)
yes, you're right. just forgot about optical/coaxial.....if you're interested on TrueHD/DTS-HD MA.
you can add the ATi 5xxx series later when you have TrueHD/DTS-HD capable AVR.
what AVR are you using now?
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QUOTE(xsi @ Mar 24 2010, 08:02 AM)
Now is a quite old denon, no DI. Planning to get ones with DI. Guess i have to re-think of the plan lah. Might as well get those with that capability...but later lah...
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in this case, just build your htpc with onboard coxial/optical first motherboard to connect your old denon. buy 1 coxial/optical cable. if still expensive for you then downgrade to audio jack-rca. strictly stereo only.

to save cost also, temp. using onboard video. then select your preferred htpc chasis and psu. select the right processor & ram.
hdd and odd easy to take decision. settle!

use this 1st. later add on your ATi 5xxx series card & buy new AVR and also get ready hdmi cable thumbup.gif
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Hi guys.. i have about 5TB of .mkv movies that are spread over four SATA Hard drives. Is there any method of storing these hard drives (plus a few more in the future probably) in a way that my PC can access them all at once? Something that can swap in/out hard drives often would be ideal...doesn't have to be hotswap...coldswap will be fine.

Currently i am using a cheapo hard drive dock that allows me to hookup only one drive at a time.

Storing these drives internally is not an option as these drives are occasionally shared with my dvico player in the other room so opening cases often would be a hassle. tq
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guys,

i'm having scaling issues with my old 9600gt card. connecting via dvi to hdmi converter.

seems like the lower portion is over stretched. and i have to set my tv to fit the output nicely. but if i do that certain feature in my tv will be disabled.

any idea?

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So in short minimum we need,

1. HTPC (i3 + h33, ram & HDD & etc of coz)
2. decent Display card like ATI 5XXX (with HDMI)
3. Blue Ray drive
4. AVR capable to do TrueHD/DTS-HD
5. Software (MPC-HC and FFdshow with appropriate codec)
6. 5.1 or 7.1 speaker set depends on budget (or re-use existing old spk if got)
7. Full HD TV (or HD ready then 720p only)

Then we will enjoy, lossless sound + FullHD movie? Kindly advice. TQ.


Added on March 24, 2010, 3:49 pmwith BD buying from Amazon.

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QUOTE(Able.O.S @ Mar 24 2010, 03:48 PM)
So in short minimum we need,

1. HTPC (i3 + h33, ram & HDD & etc of coz)
2. decent Display card like ATI 5XXX (with HDMI)
3. Blue Ray drive
4. AVR capable to do TrueHD/DTS-HD
5. Software (MPC-HC and FFdshow with appropriate codec)
6. 5.1 or 7.1 speaker set depends on budget  (or re-use existing old spk if got)
7. Full HD TV (or HD ready then 720p only)

Then we will enjoy, lossless sound + FullHD movie? Kindly advice. TQ.


Added on March 24, 2010, 3:49 pmwith BD buying from Amazon.
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1. should be H55 or H57 instead H33.
2. Depends on your expectation of the graphic capability, actually i3 have integrated graphic processor and it pretty good for the HD movie decoding.
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QUOTE(Able.O.S @ Mar 24 2010, 03:48 PM)
So in short minimum we need,

1. HTPC (i3 + h33, ram & HDD & etc of coz)
2. decent Display card like ATI 5XXX (with HDMI)
3. Blue Ray drive
4. AVR capable to do TrueHD/DTS-HD
5. Software (MPC-HC and FFdshow with appropriate codec)
6. 5.1 or 7.1 speaker set depends on budget  (or re-use existing old spk if got)
7. Full HD TV (or HD ready then 720p only)

Then we will enjoy, lossless sound + FullHD movie? Kindly advice. TQ.


Added on March 24, 2010, 3:49 pmwith BD buying from Amazon.
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If you are not into game, i3+h55 is enough. No need to buy ATI 5xxx.
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 24 2010, 04:52 PM)
If you are not into game, i3+h55 is enough. No need to buy ATI 5xxx.
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Noob question here. Can the codec in the motherboard decode lossless audio and we just play it with the desktop 5.1 or 7.1 speaker?
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 24 2010, 05:52 PM)
If you are not into game, i3+h55 is enough. No need to buy ATI 5xxx.
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So just use the onboard HDMI to pass thru the audio & let the AVR do the rest?

HTPC --> AVR --> TV (all, both the vidoe & audio via HDMI) will do?

Another noob Question, the BD ROM for PC all region free? TQ.
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Noob question here. Can the codec in the motherboard decode lossless audio and we just play it with the desktop 5.1 or 7.1 speaker?
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Please refer to previous page. You can use software decode to get output from your pc speaker.

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Hi! Just need some advice from the sifus of HTPC here.

I just built myself a HTPC with both Sapphire HD5670 and a HDAV 1.3. Seeing that I've read in this thread that the 5670 can bit stream HD Audio out to an AVR (I have the Pioneer LX72 AVR), to let the AVR do the decoding, did I just waste my money in getting the HDAV 1.3 sound card? AIYAAAAAA cry.gif doh.gif

Would it be better to have the HDAV in the chain? or no difference - the HD5670 can do the job as well with no degradation in quality.?

Right now it's like this

HD5670 --> HDMI --> HDAV 1.3 --> HDMI --> LX72 --> TV + Sound System.

Thanks and appreciate any help/advice!
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QUOTE(shuto1 @ Mar 26 2010, 01:21 PM)
Hi! Just need some advice from the sifus of HTPC here.

I just built myself a HTPC with both Sapphire HD5670 and a HDAV 1.3. Seeing that I've read in this thread that the 5670 can bit stream HD Audio out to an AVR (I have the Pioneer LX72 AVR), to let the AVR do the decoding, did I just waste my money in getting the HDAV 1.3 sound card? AIYAAAAAA  cry.gif  doh.gif

Would it be better to have the HDAV in the chain? or no difference - the HD5670 can do the job as well with no degradation in quality.?

Right now it's like this

HD5670 --> HDMI --> HDAV 1.3 --> HDMI --> LX72 --> TV + Sound System.

Thanks and appreciate any help/advice!
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5670->Asus HDAV1.3 is the correct way to go...
pass video and sound to the receiver via a single hdmi cable...
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5670->Asus HDAV1.3 is the correct way to go...
pass video and sound to the receiver via a single hdmi cable...
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so you're saying he should put the output from the 5670 to the Asus HDAV1.3?
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pass video and sound to the receiver via a single hdmi cable...
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Any video/audio improvement if connect like that hmm.gif ?
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Mar 26 2010, 03:47 PM)
Any video/audio improvement if connect like that  hmm.gif ?
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if your objective is to pass though and let your avr to handle, totally no improvement if connect this way....
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QUOTE(shuto1 @ Mar 26 2010, 01:21 PM)
Hi! Just need some advice from the sifus of HTPC here.

I just built myself a HTPC with both Sapphire HD5670 and a HDAV 1.3. Seeing that I've read in this thread that the 5670 can bit stream HD Audio out to an AVR (I have the Pioneer LX72 AVR), to let the AVR do the decoding, did I just waste my money in getting the HDAV 1.3 sound card? AIYAAAAAA  cry.gif  doh.gif

Would it be better to have the HDAV in the chain? or no difference - the HD5670 can do the job as well with no degradation in quality.?

Right now it's like this

HD5670 --> HDMI --> HDAV 1.3 --> HDMI --> LX72 --> TV + Sound System.

Thanks and appreciate any help/advice!
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no waste..can play games and bitstream thumbup.gif
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no waste..can play games and bitstream  thumbup.gif
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bitstream could be done using only the 5670. no need HDAV.
could game using the 5670. could bitstream using the 5670.
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QUOTE(paskal @ Mar 26 2010, 03:04 PM)
so you're saying he should put the output from the 5670 to the Asus HDAV1.3?
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yes..that is one of the standout features of the HDAV 1.3 able to get video from the gfx card..then output TOGETHER with the sound via hdmi *thumbs up*
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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Mar 26 2010, 10:52 PM)
yes..that is one of the standout features of the HDAV 1.3 able to get video from the gfx card..then output TOGETHER with the sound via hdmi *thumbs up*
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I think, HDAV 1.3 most suitable for built in graphic because it also can enhance video and combine video and audio into one single hdmi cable. But if a graphic card already capable of combining both and support hd audio bitstreaming, so it will be redundant.
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hi to all sifu..Noob question here

i plan to buit HTPC and NAS for movie storage.. planning stream the movie files from nas to HTPC thru wired and watch from tv.
question:
1)what network cable recomend? cat5e ot cat 6?
2)can i cabling the cat5e/cat 6 with my ceiling lighting point in paraller?or sharing casing? if not? what is the range to seperate them??

thanks
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QUOTE(shuto1 @ Mar 26 2010, 01:21 PM)
Hi! Just need some advice from the sifus of HTPC here.

I just built myself a HTPC with both Sapphire HD5670 and a HDAV 1.3. Seeing that I've read in this thread that the 5670 can bit stream HD Audio out to an AVR (I have the Pioneer LX72 AVR), to let the AVR do the decoding, did I just waste my money in getting the HDAV 1.3 sound card? AIYAAAAAA  cry.gif  doh.gif

Would it be better to have the HDAV in the chain? or no difference - the HD5670 can do the job as well with no degradation in quality.?

Right now it's like this

HD5670 --> HDMI --> HDAV 1.3 --> HDMI --> LX72 --> TV + Sound System.

Thanks and appreciate any help/advice!
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Correct way:
HD5670 --> HDMI --> LX72 --> TV + Sound System. thumbup.gif

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Thanks guys for all the responses and advice! Appreciate it. I might just go exchange the sound card, top up some $$ and do a 4 HDD Raid 5 config in exchange.

QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 27 2010, 08:48 AM)
Correct way:
HD5670 --> HDMI --> LX72 --> TV + Sound System. thumbup.gif
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Right now I'm just trying to get the bit streaming to work (wanna see that sweet sweet DTS-MA/TrueHD word on my AVR). I've got TMT3 with 170 patch working. Tried playing a movie file with DTS-MA on it but can only get PCM.

Anyone knows what's wrong? Been pressing every button on the AVR and tried every option/settings in TMT/Win7 but still can't seem to get it right shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(shuto1 @ Mar 27 2010, 09:23 AM)
Thanks guys for all the responses and advice! Appreciate it. I might just go exchange the sound card, top up some $$ and do a 4 HDD Raid 5 config in exchange.
Right now I'm just trying to get the bit streaming to work (wanna see that sweet sweet DTS-MA/TrueHD word on my AVR). I've got TMT3 with 170 patch working. Tried playing a movie file with DTS-MA on it but can only get PCM.

Anyone knows what's wrong? Been pressing every button on the AVR and tried every option/settings in TMT/Win7 but still can't seem to get it right  shakehead.gif
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Choose original mixing in the sound output of TMT.
If it does not work, you need to do a clean install of ATI CC 10.3.

1) Uninstall all previous AIT driver by clicking current ATI CC driver update.
2) Restart pc
3) Reinstall 10.3 CC.
4) Restart pc
DTS MA should work fine then. If TrueHD does not work, you would need EDID override from Tulli in AVS.
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Choose original mixing in the sound output of TMT.
If it does not work, you need to do a clean install of ATI CC 10.3.

1) Uninstall all previous AIT driver by clicking current ATI CC driver update.
2) Restart pc
3) Reinstall 10.3 CC.
4) Restart pc
DTS MA should work fine then. If TrueHD does not work, you would need EDID override from Tulli in AVS.
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Thanks a lot Ronaldjoe notworthy.gif , will try it out and see how it goes smile.gif hopefully, I'll get to enjoy HD Audio this weekend rclxm9.gif


Added on March 27, 2010, 3:46 pmAiya, looks like the driver updates didn't work. I'll have to go the EDID Override route. Haihhh.. spent like 10 hours trying to figure this thing out icon_question.gif

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My fren HTPC paired with TOSHIBA regza 32'' LCD shows colour over saturated.

The black text with red, blue, or green at the side..

any solution?

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My fren HTPC paired with TOSHIBA regza 32'' LCD shows colour over saturated.

The black text with red, blue, or green at the side..

any solution?
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Change resolution to native resolution (should be 1366x768 assuming the 32" is only hd ready and not fullhd)

Then set the picture mode to "PC" instead of movie, game etc.
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QUOTE(hilk @ Mar 27 2010, 01:18 AM)
hi to all sifu..Noob question here

i plan to buit HTPC and NAS for movie storage.. planning stream the movie files from nas to HTPC thru wired and watch from tv.
question:
1)what network cable recomend? cat5e ot cat 6?
2)can i cabling the cat5e/cat 6 with my ceiling lighting point in paraller?or sharing casing? if not? what is the range to seperate them??

thanks
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look like no one wanna to help!!.. thanks
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QUOTE(Bart-man @ Mar 27 2010, 11:16 PM)
Change resolution to native resolution (should be 1366x768 assuming the 32" is only hd ready and not fullhd)

Then set the picture mode to "PC" instead of movie, game etc.
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All done. stil cant fix it

my fren even brought to toshiba service center, tested with all the LCD, all with the same problem..

but the HTPC is working fine with sony and samsung
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Just wanna share some photos of the HTPC I built for my hometown at KL, connecting to my dad's 42LG53FR and our old-but-faithful Sony Mini Hi-fi blush.gif

Our hall have no space for 5.1/7.1 setup so it's stereo all the way for us sweat.gif

Specs:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
Asus P5G43T-M PRO HDMI
2x2GB ADATA XPG DDR3-1333 CL8
3x500GB Samsung HD501LJ HDD
Asus DRW-201451T DVD Writer
K-World TV878 PCI TV Tuner
Vantec ION2+ 450W ATX PSU
Cooler Master Aquagate Mini R80 (self-contained water cooling kit)
XQbox X-Cube HTPC Case

Water cooling + silent fan + silent PSU = silent HTPC cool.gif

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AV connection is on-board G43 => HDMI => LG TV => RCA audio => Sony Hi-fi

Other connections:
Astro decoder (RCA video) => LG TV
Astro decoder (S-video) => TV Tuner
Astro decoder (RCA audio) => splitter => LG TV + on-board sound line-in
Wii => YPbPr component video + RCA audio => LG TV


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QUOTE(hilk @ Mar 27 2010, 11:29 PM)
look like no one wanna to help!!.. thanks
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Not no one wanna help, more like nobody know how to help!! (maybe you also posted in the wrong section) tongue.gif

As far as I know only genuine AMP-brand Cat5e cable can run gigabit reliably, or go for other brand Cat6 brows.gif

I dunno how to answer your question about the idea of putting network cable and power line together, perhaps it's okay? Dun blame me if it doesn't work blush.gif

Since this is network related question, try asking it in the appropriate section of the forum wink.gif


Added on March 28, 2010, 12:22 am
QUOTE(CSin @ Mar 27 2010, 11:31 PM)
All done. stil cant fix it

my fren even brought to toshiba service center, tested with all the LCD, all with the same problem..

but the HTPC is working fine with sony and samsung
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What connection are you using? VGA? DVI? HDMI? icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(hilk @ Mar 27 2010, 01:18 AM)
hi to all sifu..Noob question here

i plan to buit HTPC and NAS for movie storage.. planning stream the movie files from nas to HTPC thru wired and watch from tv.
question:
1)what network cable recomend? cat5e ot cat 6?
2)can i cabling the cat5e/cat 6 with my ceiling lighting point in paraller?or sharing casing? if not? what is the range to seperate them??

thanks
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Don't really understand your question...

Cat 5E or Cat6 is for Gigabit Ethernet.. read the details here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable


I hv similar setup as I store all my content in a DNS-323 NAS...

To prevent from doing ugly wiring, I use a pair HomePlug Powerline Adapter ( 85Mbps or higher ) and connect to the NAS via mounted network drive..

With minimal power adaptors in between the two power points, I can get somewhere like 15Mbps pure speed, enuf to stream the HD movies content from the NAS to my HTPC.. no need speed until Gigabit Ethernet...

Just google for HomePlug.. I think there are newer models with 200Mbps or options with wireless...

I am using the Aztech brand.. my model 85Mbps is selling for like RM110 per unit in a lelong.com.my posting.


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QUOTE(Bart-man @ Mar 28 2010, 12:06 AM)
Other connections:
Astro decoder (RCA video) => LG TV
Astro decoder (S-video) => TV Tuner
Astro decoder (RCA audio) => splitter => LG TV + on-board sound line-in
Wii => YPbPr component video + RCA audio => LG TV
Nice pics and HTPC setup!!!

I tried both Astro RCA Video and S-video to TV and TV Tuner card..

I find the picture quality is much better for S-video goes to the TV and RCA Video to the PCI card TV Tuner ..

Picture quality, especially the text on the TV is much sharper using S-Video cable to the TV.


Added on March 28, 2010, 1:46 am
QUOTE(DarkNite @ Mar 21 2010, 09:54 AM)
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Are you using the i3+h55 to build a NAS? Can give tips on building a NAS with transfer rate more than 70 megabytes/sec over a gigabit LAN, for storing movies, music collections, photos and BlueRay rips?
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Hi, on my Dlink DNS-323 NAS, to achieve transfer of like 150-200Mbps , set both the NAS and the PC network card to use Jumbo frames ( 9000MTU ).

It will force yr PC or NAS to use 9000 MTU instead of the default of 1500 MTU when doing tranfer...

Read more about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo_frame






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Added on March 28, 2010, 1:38 am

Nice pics and HTPC setup!!!

I tried both Astro RCA Video and S-video to TV and TV Tuner card..

I find the picture quality is much better for S-video goes to the TV and RCA Video to the PCI card TV Tuner ..

Picture quality, especially the text on the TV is much sharper using S-Video cable to the TV.
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Thanks! smile.gif

Yes, S-video is better quality than RCA video. That is why I connect it to TV Tuner coz I prefer to record in higher quality laugh.gif
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Awesome HTPC setup. This must have cost you fortune. thumbup.gif
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Homeplug might not have enough bandwidth for Blu-ray movie. Note that 200Mbps is theoretical speed and depends on noise in your power line and if it is in the same gang. You would be lucky to get consistent 30Mbps out from Homeplug and remember it is share network. If you are doing from ground up, best go for Cat5e (up to 30m) and Cat 6 (100m) for gigabit network. I do a copy from network for large file and the speed is almost as fast as eSATA HDD local copy. Also get a gigabit switch instead of hub.

Regarding power line and network cable, normal recommendation is to cross the cable instead of running parallel. Normally UTP cable is quite good at noise rejection due to twisted pair. If you are paranoid, go for STP (shielded twisted pair).

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Cat 5E or Cat6 is for Gigabit Ethernet.. read the details here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable
I hv similar setup as I store all my content in a DNS-323 NAS...

To prevent from doing ugly wiring, I use a pair HomePlug Powerline Adapter ( 85Mbps or higher ) and connect to the NAS via mounted network drive..

With minimal power adaptors in between the two power points, I can get somewhere like 15Mbps pure speed, enuf to stream the HD movies content from the NAS to my HTPC.. no need speed until Gigabit Ethernet...

Just google for HomePlug.. I think there are newer models with 200Mbps or options with wireless...

I am using the Aztech brand.. my model 85Mbps is selling for like RM110 per unit in a lelong.com.my posting.


thanks... that help! icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 28 2010, 07:21 PM)
Homeplug might not have enough bandwidth for Blu-ray movie. Note that 200Mbps is theoretical speed and depends on noise in your power line and if it is in the same gang. You would be lucky to get consistent 30Mbps out from Homeplug and remember it is share network. If you are doing from ground up, best go for Cat5e (up to 30m) and Cat 6 (100m) for gigabit network. I do a copy from network for large file and the speed is almost as fast as eSATA HDD local copy. Also get a gigabit switch instead of hub.

Regarding power line and network cable, normal recommendation is to cross the cable instead of running parallel. Normally UTP cable is quite good at noise rejection due to twisted pair. If you are paranoid, go for STP (shielded twisted pair).
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thanks.. you are helping me alot!!!.. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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Thanks a lot Ronaldjoe  notworthy.gif , will try it out and see how it goes smile.gif hopefully, I'll get to enjoy HD Audio this weekend  rclxm9.gif


Added on March 27, 2010, 3:46 pmAiya, looks like the driver updates didn't work. I'll have to go the EDID Override route. Haihhh.. spent like 10 hours trying to figure this thing out  icon_question.gif
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Shuto, use driver sweeper to clean up all the ex-ati driver + realtek driver (if any)
Restart pc. Then reinstall 10.3 CC. Bitstream should work fine with TMT3 (with 0.170 patch update). nod.gif

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 28 2010, 08:02 PM)
Shuto, use driver sweeper to clean up all the ex-ati driver + realtek driver (if any)
Restart pc. Then reinstall 10.3 CC. Bitstream should work fine with TMT3 (with 0.170 patch update).  nod.gif
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Thanks for the advice, will run that Driver Sweeper. Never heard of it. Sounds like a great idea. After about 15 hours of wrestling with my HTPC, I've finally sorted out my HD Audio. GOODNESS! So much work but I'm glad it's all settled.

Best program for me in getting HD bit streamed is PowerDVD 10 Ultra. I use TMT3 for BDMV. MPC for mkv for movies that require subtitles and misc files.

Now my final HTPC spec is WITHOUT the Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 (Thanks guys, you saved me some money smile.gif
And is as follows:-

Intel Core I5 750
Gigabyte GA-P55-UD6
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5670 1GB
5x Samsung 1.5TB 5400rpm SATA HDD
Win 7 Home Premium
Sony DRU-870S DVDRW
TP-Link TL-WN951N Wireless
Xigmatek PSU 650watts NRP-MC651
Silverstone ATX LC20B-M

Time to enjoy the movies/music icon_rolleyes.gif thumbup.gif rclxm9.gif rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(shuto1 @ Mar 29 2010, 12:50 AM)
Thanks for the advice, will run that Driver Sweeper. Never heard of it. Sounds like a great idea. After about 15 hours of wrestling with my HTPC, I've finally sorted out my HD Audio. GOODNESS! So much work but I'm glad it's all settled.

Best program for me in getting HD bit streamed is PowerDVD 10 Ultra. I use TMT3 for BDMV. MPC for mkv for movies that require subtitles and misc files.

Now my final HTPC spec is WITHOUT the Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 (Thanks guys, you saved me some money smile.gif
And is as follows:-

Intel Core I5 750
Gigabyte GA-P55-UD6
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5670 1GB
5x Samsung 1.5TB 5400rpm SATA HDD
Win 7 Home Premium
Sony DRU-870S DVDRW
TP-Link TL-WN951N Wireless
Xigmatek PSU 650watts NRP-MC651
Silverstone ATX LC20B-M

Time to enjoy the movies/music  icon_rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxms.gif
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Taukeh, good specs you have drool.gif
How do you install all hdds in a htpc?
I can only have my hdds lying external and mount them on external dock.

Personally I prefer TMT3 over PDVD. nod.gif

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What is TMT3 and PDVD?
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QUOTE(shuto1 @ Mar 29 2010, 12:50 AM)
Thanks for the advice, will run that Driver Sweeper. Never heard of it. Sounds like a great idea. After about 15 hours of wrestling with my HTPC, I've finally sorted out my HD Audio. GOODNESS! So much work but I'm glad it's all settled.

Best program for me in getting HD bit streamed is PowerDVD 10 Ultra. I use TMT3 for BDMV. MPC for mkv for movies that require subtitles and misc files.

Now my final HTPC spec is WITHOUT the Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 (Thanks guys, you saved me some money smile.gif
And is as follows:-

Intel Core I5 750
Gigabyte GA-P55-UD6
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5670 1GB
5x Samsung 1.5TB 5400rpm SATA HDD
Win 7 Home Premium
Sony DRU-870S DVDRW
TP-Link TL-WN951N Wireless
Xigmatek PSU 650watts NRP-MC651
Silverstone ATX LC20B-M

Time to enjoy the movies/music  icon_rolleyes.gif  thumbup.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxms.gif
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Wah ! only the casing "Silverstone ATX LC20B-M" itself oledi cost >rm700.

Can show some picture here? Really interested to see how you fit 5 Hdd into this casing.

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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Mar 30 2010, 02:54 PM)
What is TMT3 and PDVD?
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Boss,
TMT3 is total media theatre 3 from Arcsoft
PDVD is Power DVD Ultra from Cyberlink

Both are media player (software) for BD playback.
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Hahaha, got it. Thansk for the explaination. I tot there were the HW part, silly me.
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Silverstone ATX LC20B-M is overkill....

Silverstone KL01 or KL02 allows for 5 hard drive bays and is about RM400+ nia...

hot swap is elite! *thumbs up*

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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Mar 30 2010, 04:16 PM)
Silverstone ATX LC20B-M is overkill....

Silverstone KL01 or KL02 allows for 5 hard drive bays and is about RM400+ nia...

hot swap is elite! *thumbs up*

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Nice, if it has eSATA connection then I will go for it...
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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Mar 30 2010, 04:16 PM)
Silverstone ATX LC20B-M is overkill....

Silverstone KL01 or KL02 allows for 5 hard drive bays and is about RM400+ nia...

hot swap is elite! *thumbs up*

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IMHO, KL series is tower case... I wouldn't want that for my HTPC. I will always go for the sleekness of LC series and it's in desktop form.

I'm still trying to look for this sad.gif

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QUOTE(kianwee @ Mar 30 2010, 04:44 PM)
IMHO, KL series is tower case... I wouldn't want that for my HTPC. I will always go for the sleekness of LC series and it's in desktop form.

I'm still trying to look for this sad.gif

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[URL= http://global.aopen.com/products_detail.aspx?Auno=2926]Link to the Official Website[/URL]

I looking for this HTPC casing, it look great... thumbup.gif But I can't find it in Malaysia.... blink.gif
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thank TS for the great information....
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very nice HTPC. most of HTPC are desktop.
will you guys like also tower as HTPC?

like this:
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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Mar 30 2010, 09:18 AM)
Taukeh, good specs you have  drool.gif
How do you install all hdds in a htpc?
I can only have my hdds lying external and mount them on external dock.
Personally I prefer TMT3 over PDVD. nod.gif
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Wah ! only the casing "Silverstone ATX LC20B-M" itself oledi cost >rm700.
Can show some picture here? Really interested to see how you fit 5 Hdd into this casing.
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Ya it's a great casing. I've attached a picture showing how the 5 HDDs are fit in. I still have space for 2 more HDDs.
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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Mar 30 2010, 04:16 PM)
Silverstone ATX LC20B-M is overkill....
Silverstone KL01 or KL02 allows for 5 hard drive bays and is about RM400+ nia...
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IMHO, KL series is tower case... I wouldn't want that for my HTPC. I will always go for the sleekness of LC series and it's in desktop form.
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Kianwee is a genius mind reader. My thoughts exactly.

Yonggoh: The LCM20B-M may be over kill to you, but I wouldn't want to see a tower case in my setup. Also I need something that looks good enough to sit next to my Pioneer AVR.

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helo all htpc sifu.need some guidance here.pls help.i'm building htpc/gaming rig.i'm using ma785gt mobo and hd5770 gc.i'm gonna connect the hdmi from the mobo to an lg42pq30 while the gc hdmi to my lcd monitor.i'm confused right now on how to set up the speaker.i notice there's an output behind the mobo.can ijust plug the satellite speaker directly to the speaker output or i need to buy amplifier card?
mobo>rca>speaker or mobo>rca>avr>speaker?
thanks in advance.
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very nice HTPC. most of HTPC are desktop.
will you guys like also tower as HTPC?

like this:
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This tower casing is great but for me it still look like PC. Not HTPC. icon_rolleyes.gif
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that is one sexy case!
never knew an ATX case could be no bigger than an AVR.
all ATX system that i've ever came across are big big tower that looks awfully too big next to the tv
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My car got Dynaudio speakers. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(shuto1 @ Mar 30 2010, 07:42 PM)
Ya it's a great casing. I've attached a picture showing how the 5 HDDs are fit in. I still have space for 2 more HDDs.
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Kianwee is a genius mind reader. My thoughts exactly.

Yonggoh: The LCM20B-M may be over kill to you, but I wouldn't want to see a tower case in my setup. Also I need something that looks good enough to sit next to my Pioneer AVR.
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Taukeh, how much is the case? Where did you get it?
I could be building another htpc sometime next month.
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Thinking of building one too with my newly acquired and unopened icy dock. How muchie for the budget? shuto1's HTPC looks good. Sleek would be good.
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QUOTE(sean_gtech @ Mar 30 2010, 08:58 PM)
helo all htpc sifu.need some guidance here.pls help.i'm building htpc/gaming rig.i'm using ma785gt mobo and hd5770 gc.i'm gonna connect the hdmi from the mobo to an lg42pq30 while the gc hdmi to my lcd monitor.i'm confused right now on how to set up the speaker.i notice there's an output behind the mobo.can ijust plug the satellite speaker directly to the speaker output or i need to buy amplifier card?
mobo>rca>speaker or mobo>rca>avr>speaker?
thanks in advance.
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mobo <HDMI> AVR <HDMI> LCD TV

what is the speakers & AVR you're using now?

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very nice HTPC. most of HTPC are desktop.
will you guys like also tower as HTPC?

like this:
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The HTPC case design goes opposite to the geek's CPU ideal design. HTPC tends to be low key, where simplicity is the luxury, unlike the gamer CPU that comes with LED lights, fans, overall intimidating look.

The best analogy is the design of minicompo with 1000Watt wording splashed across the speakers, and an audiophile Hifi that comes with only 2 huge dials, with only one LED light to indicate that its 'on'. Its quite a different set of ball game.

Furthermore, just like in a cinema, any light that blinks below the screen is a distraction, so is the fan noise. Thats why HTPC is so low key in design.

Btw, the distraction can be a pain. My htpc blu ray drive blinks when I ran it. Still thinking of using a black tape to cover it.
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for htpc users, what method you use to back-up your media files?

i was thinking to use freenas on an old P3? any views on this.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Mar 30 2010, 11:13 PM)
Thinking of building one too with my newly acquired and unopened icy dock. How muchie for the budget? shuto1's HTPC looks good. Sleek would be good.
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hey bro! where did u get the icy dock and how much?

which model?

i need storage solutions also!
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QUOTE(djlah @ Mar 31 2010, 08:31 AM)
mobo <HDMI> AVR <HDMI> LCD TV

what is the speakers &  AVR you're using now?
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thanks for the info djlah.i haven't bought the speaker yet.i thought of eliminating the avr n go direct from
mobo to speaker.is it possible?if i were force to buy avr,i will opted for lg htib for example HT964PZ-AM.
i'm kind of on tight budget.don't want to spent to much on av system but i like to watch movie a lot.
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QUOTE(sean_gtech @ Apr 3 2010, 03:50 PM)
thanks for the info djlah.i haven't bought the speaker yet.i thought of eliminating the avr n go direct from
mobo to speaker.is it possible?if i were force to buy avr,i will opted for lg htib for example HT964PZ-AM.
i'm kind of on tight budget.don't want to spent to much on av system but i like to watch movie a lot.
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it's impossible to connect speaker direct to mobo because no amp to power it. unless you buy computer pc speakers.
if you're in tight budget, no need to buy a avr. go as you opted, get a HTiB system.
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If you are going for HTiB, and you want to hook your PC or HTPC to it, then make sure the HTiB has the input for it. For an example, not all GPU can push audio through HDMI, and if you are using such GPU, then you will need another audio input on the receiver. smile.gif
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thanks for the advice guys.well,i've already check the lg HT964PZ-AM.
at the back of the receiver,there's 3 hdmi.1 is input,1 output and another 1 is just hdmi.(i refer at the website).
djlah,i saw in utube where this guy from amd teach u how to built htpc.
i saw him installing a amplifier card to the mobo.i try looking for it at garage
sale but nobody carried it.that's mean it possible right?i just need to find that
amplifier card right?thanks in advance guys.really appreciate it.
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I maybe been living in a cave for too long, I have never heard of a PCI amplifier card before...pardon me. blush.gif However, I do know that there are active speakers (with build-in amp) on the market, half the size of most of the floorstander. You can connect it straight to your sound card. It's just like an oversized PC speakers. My dad is using it in his bedroom, and it sounds good too. I mean if you compare with normal PC speakers. smile.gif
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QUOTE(sean_gtech @ Apr 3 2010, 09:25 PM)
i saw in utube where this guy from amd teach u how to built htpc.
i saw him installing a amplifier card to the mobo.i try looking for it at garage
sale but nobody carried it.that's mean it possible right?i just need to find that
amplifier card right?thanks in advance guys.really appreciate it.
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I maybe been living in a cave for too long, I have never heard of a PCI amplifier card before.
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http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc...34&prod_no=1654
you must be looking at the MSI Media Live DIVA
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# 5.1 Channel x 100W Card(MS-4140)
# 100W Peak, Channel Drive, 8Ω
# THD+N: <0.1%, 1kHz, 1W
# SNR: >105 dB
# Frequency Response: ±0.5 dB (20Hz to 20kHz)
# 93% Efficient Power Amplifier

even the mobo itself has RCA audio out as well as YPbPr component out for those users without HDMI-capable tv.

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QUOTE(sean_gtech @ Apr 3 2010, 09:25 PM)
thanks for the advice guys.well,i've already check the lg HT964PZ-AM.
at the back of the receiver,there's 3 hdmi.1 is input,1 output and another 1 is just hdmi.(i refer at the website).
djlah,i saw in utube where this guy from amd teach u how to built htpc.
i saw him installing a amplifier card to the mobo.i try looking for it at garage
sale but nobody carried it.that's mean it possible right?i just need to find that
amplifier card right?thanks in advance guys.really appreciate it.
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ok, let's assume you manage to get from world wide or local. what speaker you going to get?
if you plan to get lg HT964PZ-AM, I can see the duplicate here....
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# 5.1 Channel x 100W Card(MS-4140)
# 100W Peak, Channel Drive, 8Ω
# THD+N: <0.1%, 1kHz, 1W
# SNR: >105 dB
# Frequency Response: ±0.5 dB (20Hz to 20kHz)
# 93% Efficient Power Amplifier

even the mobo itself has RCA audio out as well as YPbPr component out for those users without HDMI-capable tv.
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i LoLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL-ed
that puny thing?

5.1 X 100W?
at 8Ohm?
from 12V PSU power?
at 0.1% THD+N?

er wait,
100W peak?
0.1% THD at 1W?
what about continuous driven?
what about at say, something like 50W driven? with 5 channels simultaneously?

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overblown specs?
as expected from a manufacturer
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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Apr 1 2010, 11:36 AM)
hey bro! where did u get the icy dock and how much?

which model?

i need storage solutions also!
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Here :

Similar to this : http://www.amazon.com/Icy-Dock-MB453SPF-B-...70321370&sr=8-5

I think more than RM420 for it. Taukeh mpyw helped me to get it in. I might sell it off as lazy to build a HTPC.
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QUOTE(djlah @ Apr 3 2010, 10:12 PM)
ok, let's assume you manage to get from world wide or local. what speaker you going to get?
if you plan to get lg HT964PZ-AM, I can see the duplicate here....
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hmmm.....i don't understand what u mean by duplicate but if i mange to get my hand
on the card,i just buy those onkyo speaker at garage sale.rm100 for 5.smile.gif.by the way,
that's the card that i saw in utube.the 1 with the long heat sink.
which route do u think is better for me?go for htib or look for that amplifier card?thanks.
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hmmm.....i don't understand what u mean by duplicate but if i mange to get my hand
on the card,i just buy those onkyo speaker at garage sale.rm100 for 5.smile.gif.by the way,
that's the card that i saw in utube.the 1 with the long heat sink.
which route do u think is better for me?go for htib or look for that amplifier card?thanks.
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with not much budget to start, i won't go either way.
if i were you, i'd get myself some decent 5.1 speakers with a sub and use that instead for my movies. those shouldn't cost too much

but hey maybe that's just me.


Added on April 4, 2010, 10:06 pmand owh forgot to add..
even if you manage to find the amplifier card for the mobo, you still have no sub.

a sub, IMHO is quite important for that umph in movies

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QUOTE(sean_gtech @ Apr 4 2010, 09:39 PM)
hmmm.....i don't understand what u mean by duplicate but if i mange to get my hand
on the card,i just buy those onkyo speaker at garage sale.rm100 for 5.smile.gif.by the way,
that's the card that i saw in utube.the 1 with the long heat sink.
which route do u think is better for me?go for htib or look for that amplifier card?thanks.
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I guess majority of user here will still recommended you just get a htib for very tight budget and no plan for upgrade.
if you have plan to upgrade, may get the amp card (if really dirt cheap with mb) and onkyo 5 satellite speakers. in future, buy a avr to replace the amp card.

as paskal said, no output connection for sub.
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second question. confused on your setup. you said you're using ma785gt mobo and hd5770 gc. I don't think u gonna make any change rite...
can you confirm and share with wat the amp card you targeting? any picture or spec?

the only amp card from here that everyone can see, need to be bundled with the motherboard as the expansion slot are different. are you confirm ur motherboard can support? doh.gif

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guys need some help pls. i have some problem with my system whre when play 1080p movie the sound and movie are not sync. and wat i did today is install latest ver of KLite. now i have a problem whre my 5.1speakers are not working i can hear sound only from left and right speaker only. sumore all my hd movies dont have sound got music but vocal sound dont have. normal SD movies are workin fine. pls help whre i went wrong
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QUOTE(djlah @ Apr 4 2010, 11:09 PM)
I guess majority of user here will still recommended you just get a htib for very tight budget and no plan for upgrade.
if you have plan to upgrade, may get the amp card (if really dirt cheap with mb) and onkyo 5 satellite speakers. in future, buy a avr to replace the amp card.

as paskal said, no output connection for sub.
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second question. confused on your setup. you said you're using ma785gt mobo and hd5770 gc. I don't think u gonna make any change rite...
can you confirm and share with wat the amp card you targeting? any picture or spec?

the only amp card from here that everyone can see, need to be bundled with the motherboard as the expansion slot are different. are you confirm ur motherboard can support?  doh.gif

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i forgot about the brand but i sawe in utube where this amd tech guru install the amp card to the mobo.i thought the card is
universal type.thanks for the advice djlah,i think i stick with htib.save the headache.will post my pic once i've done with my
ht room.


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QUOTE(paskal @ Apr 4 2010, 10:04 PM)
with not much budget to start, i won't go either way.
if i were you, i'd get myself some decent 5.1 speakers with a sub and use that instead for my movies. those shouldn't cost too much

but hey maybe that's just me.


Added on April 4, 2010, 10:06 pmand owh forgot to add..
even if you manage to find the amplifier card for the mobo, you still have no sub.

a sub, IMHO is quite important for that umph in movies
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yup,agreed with the sub thingy.


Added on April 5, 2010, 4:02 pm1 more thing guys,is it advisable if i wrap all the room with carpet to minimize sound bouncing off the wall?

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QUOTE(sean_gtech @ Mar 30 2010, 08:58 PM)
helo all htpc sifu.need some guidance here.pls help.i'm building htpc/gaming rig.i'm using ma785gt mobo and hd5770 gc.i'm gonna connect the hdmi from the mobo to an lg42pq30 while the gc hdmi to my lcd monitor.i'm confused right now on how to set up the speaker.i notice there's an output behind the mobo.can ijust plug the satellite speaker directly to the speaker output or i need to buy amplifier card?
mobo>rca>speaker or mobo>rca>avr>speaker?
thanks in advance.
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I had a similar setup before I plug out my GC to another mobo...

When you plug in the HD5770, it will automatically disabled the on-board GC.. so all the hdmi/vga on the mobo are totally disabled..

There are settings on the BIOS on which graphic cards to select during boot time... usually PCI-E, PCI, IGP...

You can use still the HD5770 to connect to BOTH LG tv and LCD monitor with HDMI to LG tv and DVI to the LCD monitor....

The M4A785 ( Asus right ) can support 5 channels... 2 L/R, 2 RL/RR and centre and subwoofer from the audio out connectors...
Refer to the manual or d/l a copy of the user manual for details setup..




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hi all sifu,

noob here..
is there in the local market,, hdmi input video capture card?


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QUOTE(stan001 @ Apr 5 2010, 04:28 PM)
I had a similar setup before I plug out my GC to another mobo...

When you plug in the HD5770, it will automatically disabled the on-board GC.. so all the hdmi/vga on the mobo are totally disabled..

There are settings on the BIOS on which graphic cards to select during boot time... usually PCI-E, PCI, IGP...

You can use still the HD5770 to connect to BOTH LG tv and LCD monitor with HDMI to LG tv and DVI to the LCD monitor....

The M4A785 ( Asus right ) can support 5 channels... 2 L/R, 2 RL/RR and centre and subwoofer from the audio out connectors...
Refer to the manual or d/l a copy of the user manual for details setup..
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is this true bro???i haven't install my pc yet cos waiting for my room to complete.my mobo is gigabyte bro.is there a bios that
can enable me to utilized both hdmi port?1 from mobo n 1 from gc.

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is this true bro???i haven't install my pc yet cos waiting for my room to complete.my mobo is gigabyte bro.is there a bios that
can enable me to utilized both hdmi port?1 from mobo n 1 from gc.
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why u need 2 HDMI ?
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Hi , im thinking of getting a LCD TV and a HTPC but i have a little confusion about the setup of my future HTPC with my current audio setup.

I have 5 home theater speakers and a subwoofer with a yamaha HT receiver at home, but i have no idea how to complete the audio setup with my future HTPC so can any sifu help me on this?

Below is my desired proc , mobo and gc
Proc- AMD x6 proc
Mobo- latest AMD mobo for gaming
GC- ati 5850 (maybe)

My current idea is connect the TV to the graphic card with a hdmi cable for video and audio?
Then connect the HT receiver (with all the speakers and subwoofer plugged) to the TV by using another HDMI cable for audio.

I dont know whether it'll work or not so i need ur help thanks.

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QUOTE(sean_gtech @ Apr 5 2010, 09:05 PM)
is this true bro???i haven't install my pc yet cos waiting for my room to complete.my mobo is gigabyte bro.is there a bios that
can enable me to utilized both hdmi port?1 from mobo n 1 from gc.
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I think the O/S will goes bonkers managing two active graphic card... besides, why would you need 2 HDMI output ??

Those marketing hype about ATI Hybrid Crossfire is a bunch of marketing BS, only works if you have Vista or higher O/S and use those low end graphic card like HD 3000 series...

Anything faster than HD 3000 series, you should just go with the discreet GC, HD 5770 for everything... cos u hv like 2 DVI and 1 HDMI port..

The on-board ATI HD 4200 is no match for the HD 5770 , even tho the model is like 4200 series, the performance and spec is kinda like HD 3000 series.. ( another marketing hype )

Managing audio is also another challenge... cos u hv an on-board soundcard for 5 channels analog sound & digital audio via TOSLINK and another HD Audio soundcard inside the ATI GC that send sound output via the HDMI ( together with the video signal )...

If u select HDMI sound output and turn on yr LCD Monitor, the sound will come out of yr LG TV ( kinda silly ) instead of yr 5 channels analog sound..

It is pretty confusing at first....


Added on April 6, 2010, 12:02 am
QUOTE(ycs @ Apr 1 2010, 09:25 AM)
for htpc users, what method you use to back-up your media files?

i was thinking to use freenas on an old P3? any views on this.
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I use a dedicated NAS, DNS-323 from Dlink, a 2 bays drive... does not use a lot of power and can act as an bit torrent client without leaving my PC on all the time..

This model hv lots of add-on s/w and mods... lots of support from the Internet community...

http://wiki.dns323.info/


Added on April 6, 2010, 12:11 am
QUOTE(Riggo @ Apr 5 2010, 11:44 PM)
Hi , im thinking of getting a LCD TV and a HTPC but i have a little confusion about the setup of my future HTPC with my current audio setup.

I have 5 home theater speakers and a subwoofer with a yamaha HT receiver at home, but i have no idea how to complete the audio setup with my future HTPC so can any sifu help me on this?

Below is my desired proc , mobo and gc
Proc- AMD x6 proc
Mobo- latest AMD mobo for gaming
GC- ati 5850 (maybe)

My current idea is connect the TV to the graphic card with a hdmi cable for video and audio?
Then connect the HT receiver (with all the speakers and subwoofer plugged) to the TV by using another HDMI cable for audio.

I dont know whether it'll work or not so i need ur help thanks.
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The connection should be :-

HTPC --- <HDMI> ---- AV Receiver ---- <HDMI> ----> TV

*** Assume yr AVR supports HDMI in & out ports.



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QUOTE(stan001 @ Apr 5 2010, 11:48 PM)
The connection should be :-

HTPC --- <HDMI> ---- AV Receiver ---- <HDMI> ----> TV

*** Assume yr AVR supports HDMI in & out ports.
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Okay thanks...my yamaha AVR model is RX-V1800

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I think remote control is a big issue man .... any remote recommendation out there that just works with xmbc live?
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Remote control is most likely generic. One will have to configure the software, eg. eventghost, to make it works for the XBMC.

Most remotes works partially at least for the Window Media Centre though. I used one that sold thru lowyat forum HERE , very cheap, but works very well for the window 7 Media Centre software. But it does not work for the XBMC.

Because of that I now use only the Media Centre that comes with the win 7 home ultimate.

I have no time as yet to really sort through the Eventghost to config for the XMBC though. Any sifu here did it may want to share with the clueless like me smile.gif


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why u need 2 HDMI ?
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1 for lg and 1 for my monitor.
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Apr 6 2010, 09:21 AM)
Remote control is most likely generic.  One will have to configure the software, eg. eventghost, to make it works for the XBMC. 

Most remotes works partially at least for the Window Media Centre though.  I used one that sold thru lowyat forum HERE , very cheap, but works very well for the window 7 Media Centre software.  But it does not work for the XBMC.

Because of that I now use only the Media Centre that comes with the win 7 home ultimate. 

I have no time as yet to really sort through the Eventghost to config for the XMBC though.  Any sifu here did it may want to share with the clueless like me  smile.gif
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I also bought that remote and it works pretty well with Win 7 MCE. The most important part is the receiver because currently I use my universal remote to learn some of the usually command button and it works! But still need to find a good and free software to map for other command button in normal environment (not in MCE).
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1 for lg and 1 for my monitor.
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suggest you use DVI for monitor, use hdmi for lg.
don't think u need audio for monitor. therefore dvi video will do.
so your 1 ATI graphic card are enough. 1 dvi 1 hdmi.
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QUOTE(djlah @ Apr 7 2010, 10:12 AM)
suggest you use DVI for monitor, use hdmi for lg.
don't think u need audio for monitor. therefore dvi video will do.
so your 1 ATI graphic card are enough. 1 dvi 1 hdmi.
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I found a tutorial page that may benefit most of us that want to tweak our remote controller for XBMC.

XBMC remote controller Configuration tutorials

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And there's this PDF file that show how to make XBMC sensitive to remote control too:
Click here



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Hi guys,

Just a question on XBMC,

is there any site like IMDB.com to scrape info off for Chinese/Korean movies as IMDB.com is only for English Movies cry.gif

Almost half of my collection is Chinese Korean Japanese Movies/TV Drama/Anime and i cant get it to list into Movies/Tv Shows in XBMC

Now iam only playing them thru Videos section.

Iam using my lappy on Windows Vista Home Premium 32bit to run XBMC.
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i want to ask :

i use Sapphre HD4650 HDMI, i installed driver and HDMI audio driver, but why it didnt appear in Sound and Audio Device Properties? only my current soundcard detected, but when i saw in device manager, its already instlled.

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Im confused in choosing between a htpc or a standalone bluray player.
Could anyone give me some comments?

Are there any advantages of a standalone bluray player over a htpc?
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If you are not pc savvy, get a blu-ray player. HTPC had an advantage to be a universal player. Any format also can play + you can play PC game on your big screen.
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What about picture quality? will there be any difference? lets say the comparison between a pioneer BHD-320 with 48 bit deep colour vs a high end htpc with good media player softwares like powerdvd 10 and classic home cinema with also the latest graphic card like 5770/5850.
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I watched on PS3 vs HTPC and feel that HTPC had a slight advantage in PQ.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 25 2010, 03:30 PM)
I watched on PS3 vs HTPC and feel that HTPC had a slight advantage in PQ.
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Yes. Previously PS3 is outputting 720p to my 720p projector and it's a bit soft compare to HTPC outputing 720p. I think scaling is better with HTPC.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 25 2010, 03:55 PM)
Yes. Previously PS3 is outputting 720p to my 720p projector and it's a bit soft compare to HTPC outputing 720p. I think scaling is better with HTPC.
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QUOTE(ck_mon @ Apr 21 2010, 05:17 PM)
i want to ask :

i use Sapphre HD4650 HDMI, i installed driver and HDMI audio driver, but why it didnt appear in Sound and Audio Device Properties? only my current soundcard detected, but when i saw in device manager, its already instlled.

Note:
im using windows xp home sp3
ATI driver 10.3
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Did you install the HD Audio driver for the ATI card ? It usually does not comes with the CCC package...

Hi, need more details on yr problems.

Mine have VIA HD Audio & ATI HD Audio in Device Manager..

In Control Panel, I can choose between HD Audio rear output ( analog or digital ) or ATI HD Audio for HDMI sound output together with video to the TV..




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QUOTE(stan001 @ Apr 25 2010, 09:55 PM)
Did you install the HD Audio driver for the ATI card ? It usually does not comes with the CCC package...

Hi, need more details on yr problems.

Mine have VIA HD Audio & ATI HD Audio in Device Manager..

In Control Panel, I can choose between HD Audio rear output ( analog or digital ) or ATI HD Audio for HDMI sound output together with video to the TV..
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installed already.. in device manager it detect as ATI HD Audio, hardware detect run properly, but when come to audio control panel there is no ATI HD audio output
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QUOTE(ck_mon @ Apr 26 2010, 12:08 AM)
installed already.. in device manager it detect as ATI HD Audio, hardware detect run properly, but when come to audio control panel there is no ATI HD audio output
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Is yr audio/video on HDMI or normal DVI / VGA ?

I hv my 2nd PC with an ATI card that connect directly to LCD Monitor via DVI, I could not find the ATI HD Audio cos the system did not detect a HDMI connection to HDMI Receiver or TV..

That could be the reason Sound in Control Panel did not allow you to choose ATI HD Audio ( HDMI sound output ONLY )

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Upgrade to Win7. WinXP is a b**** to work with on HDMI. Problem with WinXP is it doesn't support PAP. You need Win7.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 26 2010, 08:12 AM)
Upgrade to Win7. WinXP is a b**** to work with on HDMI. Problem with WinXP is it doesn't support PAP. You need Win7.
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QUOTE(stan001 @ Apr 26 2010, 12:43 AM)
Is yr audio/video on HDMI or normal DVI / VGA ?

I hv my 2nd PC with an ATI card that connect directly to LCD Monitor via DVI, I could not find the ATI HD Audio cos the system did not detect a HDMI connection to HDMI Receiver or TV..

That could be the reason Sound in Control Panel did not allow you to choose ATI HD Audio ( HDMI sound output ONLY )
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so, should connect first to AV receiver, then will detect automatically in control panel?



QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 26 2010, 08:12 AM)
Upgrade to Win7. WinXP is a b**** to work with on HDMI. Problem with WinXP is it doesn't support PAP. You need Win7.
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lazy to install/setup everthing again tongue.gif

btw what is PAP? hmm.gif
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PAP = Protected Audio Path = Needed for HD Audio.
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Is it necessary to have gigabit network to stream 1080p BDMV? Appreciate any inputs.
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Is it necessary to have gigabit network to stream 1080p BDMV? Appreciate any inputs.
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for 1080p i think yes, because i've tried to stream over 100mbps network got lagging, but for 720p, running fine

CMIIW
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for 1080p i think yes, because i've tried to stream over 100mbps network got lagging, but for 720p, running fine

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Well i think it depends on your current setup more, i.e is the cables running fine? are they close to some power cord/source? are they tangle up?

LAN cables are very sensitive to those as they can pickup unwanted noise/disruptions from neighboring cables/equipment.

I have my LAN cables separated from the rest of my cables (power, vga, hdmi, and all the rest) and are able to stream 90% problem free (except for the jiterring/stutter when something runs at the background)

But different people may have different situation all together,

My advice is try and free those LAN cable from the cluster and use them as straight as possible, and also to keep them from going too near other power sources (i.e anything that has electricity running thru them), you might be able to see some improvement.

Another forum has a discussion on it --> http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index....3C/t-29136.html

Good Cable Mamangement is your freind ^^

Qoute from Matt Simmons
"Keep power cables as far from ethernet cables as possible Power cables, especially clumps of power cables, cause ElectroMagnetic Interference (EMI aka radio frequency interference (or RFI)) on any surrounding cables, including CAT-* cables (unless they're shielded, but if you're using STP cables in your rack, you're probably doing it wrong). Run your power cables away from the CAT5/6. And if you must bring them close, try to do it at right angles."

Taken from --> http://serverfault.com/questions/26462/how...s-in-your-racks

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Guys, i am planning to build a htpc, would you guys look at my list.

Video:
32" LCD HDTV

Audio:
Maybe Pioneer Home Theater System (Is it possible to connect the wires to HTPC??? )

HTPC:
Processor = AMD Athlon II X2 250 3.0Ghz
Mobo = Gigabye A785GMT (Integrated HDMI)
Ram = Corsair DDR3 Ram 2GbB
HDD = 1TB Western Digital
DVD-Rom

Casing = ?? Please advise and where to get
S/card = ?? Do i need one
Graphic Card = ?? Do i need one since the Mobo already have.

I hope to connect the audio to those HOME THEATER from pioneer my existing. Is it possible with my setup?

THanks for all the help!
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QUOTE(kopking10 @ Apr 29 2010, 08:56 AM)
Guys, i am planning to build a htpc, would you guys look at my list.

Video:
32" LCD HDTV

Audio:
Maybe Pioneer Home Theater System (Is it possible to connect the wires to HTPC??? )

HTPC:
Processor = AMD Athlon II X2 250 3.0Ghz
Mobo = Gigabye A785GMT (Integrated HDMI)
Ram = Corsair DDR3 Ram 2GbB
HDD = 1TB Western Digital
DVD-Rom

Casing = ?? Please advise and where to get
S/card = ?? Do i need one
Graphic Card = ?? Do i need one since the Mobo already have.

I hope to connect the audio to those HOME THEATER from pioneer my existing. Is it possible with my setup?

THanks for all the help!
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1. Whats your pioneer HT model, need to know what inputs you have to pass audio to it.

2. From the spec of the HTPC i can say the specs is enough to handle most HD content but iam not sure about BDMV and BD iso as those are more CPU intensive rather than GPU.

3. For casings i think you have to either browse from the net or go to low yat plaza yourself cause aesthetics is really a personal thing. What i like maybe not up to your taste.

4. For soundcard i think your spec already are capable for passing 5.1 DD/DTS to a receiver thru HDMI/SPDIF but if you want to pass 7.1 lossless DTS-MA/DD TrueHD thru HDMI i think you need something like a Asus Sonar HDA 1.3 ( http://www.dvhardware.net/article27745.html ) which is around RM700 ( Needs TMT Player to passthru thou ).

5. If you want better performance from your HTPC, of course another better Graphic Card will help, plus if you get the higher range of card like ATI 58XX series you can skip using the Sound card as it is capable of doing a 5.1 or 7.1 passthru (but the cheapest one i could find atm is around RM900) or take a look at this http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1179134 which explain alot on how to pass audio thru ATI 5XXX series card.

Hope my explanation is good enough icon_idea.gif

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1. Whats your pioneer HT model, need to know what inputs you have to pass audio to it.

2. From the spec of the HTPC i can say the specs is enough to handle most HD content but iam not sure about BDMV and BD iso as those are more CPU intensive rather than GPU.

3. For casings i think you have to either browse from the net or go to low yat plaza yourself cause aesthetics is really a personal thing. What i like maybe not up to your taste.

4. For soundcard i think your spec already are capable for passing 5.1 DD/DTS to a receiver thru HDMI/SPDIF but if you want to pass 7.1 lossless DTS-MA/DD TrueHD thru HDMI i think you need something like a Asus Sonar HDA 1.3 ( http://www.dvhardware.net/article27745.html ) which is around RM700 ( Needs TMT Player to passthru thou ).

5. If you want better performance from your HTPC, of course another better Graphic Card will help, plus if you get the higher range of card like ATI 58XX series you can skip using the Sound card as it is capable of doing a 5.1 or 7.1 passthru (but the cheapest one i could find atm is around RM900) or take a look at this http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1179134 which explain alot on how to pass audio thru ATI 5XXX series card.

Hope my explanation is good enough  icon_idea.gif
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1. Havent really look into the models yet. What inputs should i look for?

2. In order to run BDMV and BD iso, what are the minimum CPU spec that u recommend?

3. I cant agree more.

4. For sound, im glad to maintain 5.1 at the moment.

5. Ill stay with the integrated graphic with the mobo then.

With much said, i really appreciate your answers, Netherlord. However, I am still open for more suggestions. THANK YOU!


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1. Havent really look into the models yet. What inputs should i look for?

2. In order to run BDMV and BD iso, what are the minimum CPU spec that u recommend?

3. I cant agree more.

4. For sound, im glad to maintain 5.1 at the moment.

5. Ill stay with the integrated graphic with the mobo then.

With much said, i really appreciate your answers, Netherlord. However, I am still open for more suggestions. THANK YOU!
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Have you bought the processor and mobo yet? If not, why not consider using Intel platform? It is lower power and lower cost and better performance than the AMD equivalent brows.gif

Compare this 3 combos (all 3 mobos have HDMI port):
1) Pentium DC E6500 2.93GHz + Asus P5G43T-M = ~RM460
2) Athlon II X2 250 3.0Ghz + Gigabyte A785GMT = ~RM540
3) Core i3 530 2.93GHz + Gigabyte H55M-S2H = ~RM720

If you do some research, combo 1 actually give you better performance and lower power than combo 2 despite being cheaper. The only catch here is that the processor socket (LGA775) slowly being replaced by the Core i3/i5/i7 socket (LGA1156), which is why some people recommend spending a little more for combo 3 nowadays. Core i3 is even lower power than the rest due to the 32nm fabrication process and performance is a lot higher too (i3 is similar to Core 2 Quad performance) drool.gif

To see the performance comparison check out http://www.anandtech.com/Bench/

Oh, as long as you look for a HT model with HDMI input and output, you can passthrough both audio+video through HDMI from your HTPC to the HDMI input of the HT. The HT will output the audio through its speakers and pass the video to the TV via its HDMI output laugh.gif


Added on April 29, 2010, 5:41 pmDo check out the spec and some photos of the HTPC I built for my hometown laugh.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1354755?author=Bart-man

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1. Havent really look into the models yet. What inputs should i look for?
ANS: Well depends whether you have an existing old Pioneer which accepts SPDIF / Coaxial connection or you planning to buy a new one with HDMI, all supports 5.1

2. In order to run BDMV and BD iso, what are the minimum CPU spec that u recommend?
Ans: Like what Bart-man suggested, a Core 2 Duo or Athlon II X2 should be sufficient but try and get i3 to future-proof your mb should you plan to later on upgrade to a better proc.

3. I cant agree more.
ANS: There are many nice cases for HTPC design but most of them are quite costly unless you go for those normal ATX. Price ranges from RM300 - RM700 for those really nice ones like Silverstone and Coolermaster

4. For sound, im glad to maintain 5.1 at the moment.
ANS: Then your MB SPDIF and HDMI should be sufficient to output DD / DTS to your chosen HT AVR

5. Ill stay with the integrated graphic with the mobo then.
ANS: Do note you need to do some tweaking to the On-Board ATI GPU in order to fully utilise it for HD playback, take note on the model and driver, and also get the latest codec to ensure smooth playback.

If you provide what the on-board GPU is i might be able to scrounge up some guide in how to set it up for HD playback. biggrin.gif

All the best to your HTPC build rclxms.gif
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how about atom n ION combo...
like acer revo....do u all recommend to buy it
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how about atom n ION combo...
like acer revo....do u all recommend to buy it
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Not to say not recommending it, but you need to have some technical knowledge/skill to make it into a proper HTPC, there are ppl using it for XBMC Media Center [LiveCD Version] and have done so successfully.

Link --> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=538...light=acer+revo

If you like a simple HTPC ( Just to play HD SD contents ) then Acer Revo might be an option but do take note of the hardware limitation hmm.gif .

HTPC with C2D/Athlon are more capable in handling BD iso, BDMV and also Blu-Ray disc playback, not mentioning games and other stuff. Depending on what you want or expect from your HTPC, Specs may vary like Day and Night drool.gif .

Deciding what you want from your HTPC will eventually decide on what component goes into your HTPC. Just remember the choice is in your hands and don't regret afterward blush.gif .
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just wanna ask if there's a way to use both cores in my C2D E8400 to play BDMV.

currently, it only max out 1 core using MPC and sometimes the sound stutters a bit.

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What are acer revo limitations
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i3 + h55 can bitstream HD audio.
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just wanna ask if there's a way to use both cores in my C2D E8400 to play BDMV.

currently, it only max out 1 core using MPC and sometimes the sound stutters a bit.
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1. Bring up Task Manager (CTRL + ALT + DEL and click Start Task Manager)
2. Browse to the PROCESSES Tab
3. Look for the MPC.exe file (mine is mpc-hc.exe), highlight and Right Click
4. Select SET AFFINITY
5. Make sure to tick BOTH CPU0 and CPU1 to make it run on both cores (or more if you have quad core or Intel i5,i7)
6. Click OK and restart MPC and start Step 1-5 to make sure the settings was applied.

If it still is running on 1 core i guess its either the software or settings that causing the problems. If that's the case, you can try the link below

Link --> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251947-3...1080p-8800ultra

QUOTE(kapultek @ Apr 30 2010, 03:00 PM)
What are acer revo limitations
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Well here are the specs :

Aspire Revo specs

* CPU: Intel Atom N230, at 1.6GHz
* RAM: from 2GB DDR2
* HDD: from 160GB, at 5400rpm
* Graphics: nVidia ION (Geforce 9400)
* Ports: 6 x USB 2.0, eSATA
* Memory card reader: SD/SDHC/MMC/XD/Memory Stick
* Output: HDMI, VGA
* Networking: Ethernet, WiFi
* Dimensions: 7,1″ x 7,1″ x 1,2″ (18cm x 18cm x 3cm)
* OS: Windows Vista
* Monitor mount: VESA 80 to 120 standard

Since processing BD.iso, BDMV and Blu-ray disc needs more CPU power rather than GPU for file processing (i.e loading the file and such into RAM) the bottleneck is already apparent on the CPU. Intel Atom cpu arent too famous for their processing power. Neither is Windows Vista that was installed on it.

Quoted form the website
"The only downside of the Aspire Revo the operating system. If you want to play a video on your TV, waiting two minutes and a half to boot your computer is a pain. Depending on your country, you may be able to request a refund on Windows Vista."

Link --> http://www.eeextra.com/nettops/acer-aspire-revo.html

While the GPU no doubt is capable of handling HD contents but with the CPU bottleneck i doubt it will be a very good BD.iso, BDMV or Blu-ray disc player.
This is what i can see from the specs alone but i maybe wrong cause i haven't got a chance to play with one of them.

Hope my explanations are good enough rclxms.gif
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thanks...how about gaming...can it play games like dirt2
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QUOTE(ck_mon @ Apr 26 2010, 05:54 PM)
for 1080p i think yes, because i've tried to stream over 100mbps network got lagging, but for 720p, running fine

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Dun think so... 100Mbps should be good enuf in the LAN for streaming with some buffering....

I stream a 1080p mkv from my NAS to my Mac.. max b/w recorded is only 12Mbps (buffering) over a 54Mbps wifi link... during playing time is only around 4-5Mbps...

I always have a Windows mini apps called NetPerSec running in the small icon to check the current b/w usage in bps.





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thanks...how about gaming...can it play games like dirt2
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Ermmm.... Atom CPU aren't graded for those kind of games. The only games i heard ppl run on Acer Revo are like emulator games (SNES, Megadrive, MAME)

Link --> http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=72656

To run the more newer games in the market (Dirt2, Need for speed, Starcraft II so on) i think a C2D/Athlon with nvidia 96xx serries/ ATI 47xx series is required for a smooth gameplay (albeit at lower resolution).

That's why in my previous post i said the Acer Revo has some limitations compared to a full fledged custom HTPC (which usually contain a better CPU/GPU combination).

Acer Revo is more suited for ppl who just wanna play HD mkv's streamed/stored on the HDD or Network.

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QUOTE(netherlord @ Apr 30 2010, 10:34 PM)
1. Bring up Task Manager (CTRL + ALT + DEL and click Start Task Manager)
2. Browse to the PROCESSES Tab
3. Look for the MPC.exe file (mine is mpc-hc.exe), highlight and Right Click
4. Select SET AFFINITY
5. Make sure to tick BOTH CPU0 and CPU1 to make it run on both cores (or more if you have quad core or Intel i5,i7)
6. Click OK and restart MPC and start Step 1-5 to make sure the settings was applied.

If it still is running on 1 core i guess its either the software or settings that causing the problems. If that's the case, you can try the link below

Link --> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/251947-3...1080p-8800ultra

Hope my explanations are good enough  rclxms.gif
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thanks for the tip. will try it out. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(stan001 @ May 1 2010, 01:43 AM)
Dun think so... 100Mbps should be good enuf in the LAN for streaming with some buffering....

I stream a 1080p mkv from my NAS to my Mac.. max b/w recorded is only 12Mbps (buffering) over a 54Mbps wifi link... during playing time is only around 4-5Mbps...

I always have a Windows mini apps called NetPerSec running in the small icon to check the current b/w usage in bps.
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Are you sure your 1080p mkv video portion is untouched? a bluray 1080p movie typically has 30Mbps to 40Mbps bit rate, if it is only 12Mbps, then I think your 1080p movie quality is not as good as those original bluray movie
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thanks for the info netherlord
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1. Havent really look into the models yet. What inputs should i look for?
ANS: Well depends whether you have an existing old Pioneer which accepts SPDIF / Coaxial connection or you planning to buy a new one with HDMI, all supports 5.1

2. In order to run BDMV and BD iso, what are the minimum CPU spec that u recommend?
Ans: Like what Bart-man suggested, a Core 2 Duo or Athlon II X2 should be sufficient but try and get i3 to future-proof your mb should you plan to later on upgrade to a better proc.

3. I cant agree more.
ANS: There are many nice cases for HTPC design but most of them are quite costly unless you go for those normal ATX. Price ranges from RM300 - RM700 for those really nice ones like Silverstone and Coolermaster

4. For sound, im glad to maintain 5.1 at the moment.
ANS: Then your MB SPDIF and HDMI should be sufficient to output DD / DTS to your chosen HT AVR

5. Ill stay with the integrated graphic with the mobo then.
ANS: Do note you need to do some tweaking to the On-Board ATI GPU in order to fully utilise it for HD playback, take note on the model and driver, and also get the latest codec to ensure smooth playback.

If you provide what the on-board GPU is i might be able to scrounge up some guide in how to set it up for HD playback.  biggrin.gif

All the best to your HTPC build  rclxms.gif
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thanks netherlord and many others, went Lowyat yest. got quoted for i3 and still within budget but the catch is the Audio. Sales guy from Desa HT Kepong on Ground floor recommended me to use YAMAHA AVR - rx-v365 combo with ns-p280 satelite w/ sub. With a budget of 1.5k for a decent sound system? Shoould i try luck on 2nd hand or any recommendation?
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thanks netherlord and many others, went Lowyat yest. got quoted for i3 and still within budget but the catch is the Audio. Sales guy from Desa HT Kepong on Ground floor recommended me to use YAMAHA AVR - rx-v365 combo with ns-p280 satelite w/ sub. With a budget of 1.5k for a decent sound system? Shoould i try luck on 2nd hand or any recommendation?
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you get a core i3 which can do hd audio.
doesn't look right if you get 365 which can't do hd audio. then after reading the forums for a while, reading how good and better hd audio to some ears, you're inclined to experience hd audio yourself in your setup.

then you're inclined to sell off the used 365 to move up the ladder.
by then you're gonna regret getting the 365 in the first place seeing that a used 365 won't fetch that much money. you're gonna have a hard time selling the avr which can't do hd audio.
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QUOTE(paskal @ May 2 2010, 10:04 AM)
you get a core i3 which can do hd audio.
doesn't look right if you get 365 which can't do hd audio. then after reading the forums for a while, reading how good and better hd audio to some ears, you're inclined to experience hd audio yourself in your setup.

then you're inclined to sell off the used 365 to move up the ladder.
by then you're gonna regret getting the 365 in the first place seeing that a used 365 won't fetch that much money. you're gonna have a hard time selling the avr which can't do hd audio.
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next generation avr: support 3D blu-ray. hdmi 1.4 drool.gif
but I won't touch on that..... 3D HT sweat.gif ....

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hi all sifu, need some help from u all here...does anyone facing any problem when using LG BD-ROM or writer to watch blu ray disc on power dvd ultra software? mine will always freeze 1 minutes after playing the disc...i update my driver to the latest firmware and the problem still occur...is it my pc problem? LG drive problem or the power dvd software problem?

really appreciate any helps here...thx a lot... smile.gif
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hi all sifu, need some help from u all here...does anyone facing any problem when using LG BD-ROM or writer to watch blu ray disc on power dvd ultra software? mine will always freeze 1 minutes after playing the disc...i update my driver to the latest firmware and the problem still occur...is it my pc problem? LG drive problem or the power dvd software problem?

really appreciate any helps here...thx a lot... smile.gif
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Iam using my Acer laptop to play blu-ray disc with its own player (Acer Arcade Deluxe) atm, but at first when i playback some disc, windows did prompt me to unblock the application for internet access (BD Live function i guess) but the player was full screen and was covering the pop up window and it would freeze the player and disc. I had to Alt+Tab to the pop-up and unblock it and it went smooth afterward. Maybe your having the same problem?


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QUOTE(kopking10 @ May 2 2010, 07:57 AM)
thanks netherlord and many others, went Lowyat yest. got quoted for i3 and still within budget but the catch is the Audio. Sales guy from Desa HT Kepong on Ground floor recommended me to use YAMAHA AVR - rx-v365 combo with ns-p280 satelite w/ sub. With a budget of 1.5k for a decent sound system? Shoould i try luck on 2nd hand or any recommendation?
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Why not go a step up and get Yamaha RX-V465 or similiar range product? (Pioneer VSX-819 or Onkyo SR507) cause they support 5.1 and also DTS/MA and DD TrueHD. Having those might be able to help you save on upgrades later (AVR are very costly to upgrade).

On the speakers side i think the Yamaha NS-P280 are sub standard speaker set. Its okay to use them for the moment (cash constrains maybe?) but you'll be looking for upgrades very soon. Maybe give the Onkyo SKF-330 a try? Pucca selling them for RM100 for 5 speaker set and so far no complain from the buyers.

On the subwoofer side i think you can get a pretty cheap nice one by searching the LYN forums, Mudah.my or Hifi4sale blog (will include the links later).

I think its best you go check out some other brands for comparison as there is alot of selection out there.

Pucca's Onkyo Speaker Thread --> http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1341807&hl=

Mudah.my --> http://www.mudah.my/

Hihi4sale --> http://hifi4salesmalaysia.blogspot.com/

Hope i did not complicate things for you but i think you should really find a set that you prefer and fully satisfy with, rather than go into impulse buying and regret later. Just my 2 cents biggrin.gif

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how much to build pc with i3 and mobo...wihout lcd surely


Added on May 3, 2010, 3:58 pmAMD Phenom FX5000 Quad Core 6MB L3 cache(3 year warranty)
GIGA MA74GM-S2 motherboard (3 year warranty)
Kingston 2GB 800 DDR2 ram (lifetime warranty) - can be upgrade to 4gb by adding RM130
WD 640GB HDD
Saphire 4670 1GB DDR3 128 bit GPU (till 26th Dec 2010)
Powerlogic Azzura 3000 Casing + PSU (1 year warranty)
if with al, these specs..is it good for hd movies


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QUOTE(kapultek @ May 3 2010, 01:11 PM)
how much to build pc with i3 and mobo...wihout lcd surely


Added on May 3, 2010, 3:58 pmAMD Phenom FX5000 Quad Core 6MB L3 cache(3 year warranty)
GIGA MA74GM-S2 motherboard (3 year warranty)
Kingston 2GB 800 DDR2 ram (lifetime warranty) - can be upgrade to 4gb by adding RM130
WD 640GB HDD
Saphire 4670 1GB DDR3 128 bit GPU (till 26th Dec 2010)
Powerlogic Azzura 3000 Casing + PSU (1 year warranty)
if with al, these specs..is it good for hd movies
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If Atom + Ion can do HD mkv, then surely your set mention above is overkill tongue.gif (Ignore the pun blush.gif ) but for BD iso, BDMV and also Blu-ray disc i suppose your gonna add in a blu-ray drive? then you should have no problem getting anything running on it (but be sure to get all the correct codecs).

Just take note that BD content (iso, BDMV) consumes alot of space (around 35-45GB per disc), your 640GB HDD might not last you a long time if you tend to collect movies alot (13 show max) maybe upgrade to a 1.5TB might be better in the long run.

A rough note on a i3 spec pc is around RM1.2K, was last quoted by me by a shop in LYP (sorry couldn't remember the parts blush.gif i3 Processor, mobo, 4GB ram, 1.5TB HDD, normal ATX, 400w Power supply, ATI 5850)
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currently using intel d510mo with coreavc i can just pull avatar 1080p with no frame drops. and i only have 1gb ram so i think you can pretty much do everything except bluray playback..
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Why not go a step up and get Yamaha RX-V465 or similiar range product? (Pioneer VSX-819 or Onkyo SR507) cause they support 5.1 and also DTS/MA and DD TrueHD. Having those might be able to help you save on upgrades later (AVR are very costly to upgrade).

On the speakers side i think the Yamaha NS-P280 are sub standard speaker set. Its okay to use them for the moment (cash constrains maybe?) but you'll be looking for upgrades very soon. Maybe give the Onkyo SKF-330 a try? Pucca selling them for RM100 for 5 speaker set and so far no complain from the buyers.

On the subwoofer side i think you can get a pretty cheap nice one by searching the LYN forums, Mudah.my or Hifi4sale blog (will include the links later).

I think its best you go check out some other brands for comparison as there is alot of selection out there.

Pucca's Onkyo Speaker Thread --> http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1341807&hl=

Mudah.my --> http://www.mudah.my/

Hihi4sale --> http://hifi4salesmalaysia.blogspot.com/

Hope i did not complicate things for you but i think you should really find a set that you prefer and fully satisfy with, rather than go into impulse buying and regret later. Just my 2 cents biggrin.gif
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thanks, really appreciate ur effort, i have also came across one of ur thread that u were setting up HT system as well. Mind telling me what AVR u chose in the end? TQVM. How much is the pioneer VSX-819, RX-V465, Onkyo SR507 or Marantz 5003 which i came across. For Marantz 5003 only cost around 1.3k i can still grab Puccas Sat speaker rm100 and still make myself within 2k budget.
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QUOTE(netherlord @ May 3 2010, 06:01 PM)
If Atom + Ion can do HD mkv, then surely your set mention above is overkill  tongue.gif  (Ignore the pun  blush.gif ) but for BD iso, BDMV and also Blu-ray disc i suppose your gonna add in a blu-ray drive? then you should have no problem getting anything running on it (but be sure to get all the correct codecs).

Just take note that BD content (iso, BDMV) consumes alot of space (around 35-45GB per disc), your 640GB HDD might not last you a long time if you tend to collect movies alot (13 show max) maybe upgrade to a 1.5TB might be better in the long run.

A rough note on a i3 spec pc is around RM1.2K, was last quoted by me by a shop in LYP (sorry couldn't remember the parts  blush.gif i3 Processor, mobo, 4GB ram, 1.5TB HDD, normal ATX, 400w Power supply, ATI 5850)
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thanks netherlord...
are u sure rm1200 with ATI5850..... which shop
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thanks, really appreciate ur effort, i have also came across one of ur thread that u were setting up HT system as well. Mind telling me what AVR u chose in the end? TQVM. How much is the pioneer VSX-819, RX-V465, Onkyo SR507 or Marantz 5003 which i came across. For Marantz 5003 only cost around 1.3k i can still grab Puccas Sat speaker rm100 and still make myself within 2k budget.



I'm using Pioneer VSX-919AH-K with Onkyo SKF-330 and Infinity Servo SSW-10 Subwoffer. All in all cost me RM2250 (RM1800 for AVR, RM100 for Speaker, RM350 for Sub)
All are 2nd hand except the speaker (might get another set to make it 7.1). Always remember to test 2nd hand units or ask for 5-7 days of personal warranty if the original warranty is over for testing period.

Last i asked, Yamaha RX-V465 was RM1.5K in Legend Jalan Klang Lama, i guess you should allocate RM1.5K to 1.8K for all the choices mention above. Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo are the more popular brands while Denon and Marantz are available at more specialized shops (Popular as in shop carrying them). Try to look around Harvey Norman to get an idea on how much those are, but they usually come bundle with speaker set so you have to dig abit deeper for the AVR price.

I been to Desa HT in Kepong and got quoted RM1.8K for Onkyo SR507 with an Onkyo Subwoofer (forgot the model).

To whichever model you chosen, i hope that your fully satisfied with your purchase. Never regret and make the best of what you got biggrin.gif .


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QUOTE(kapultek @ May 4 2010, 09:59 AM)
thanks netherlord...
are u sure rm1200 with ATI5850..... which shop
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Ops doh.gif . haha not ATI 5850 but ATI 4850 hehe sorry blush.gif for the mistake

I kinda forgot which shop was that. Was just running around like a headless chicken getting quotes for my freind. I guess all the pricing should be similar (except for the diff of RM10-30).

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QUOTE(kopking10 @ May 4 2010, 08:50 AM)
thanks, really appreciate ur effort, i have also came across one of ur thread that u were setting up HT system as well. Mind telling me what AVR u chose in the end? TQVM. How much is the pioneer VSX-819, RX-V465, Onkyo SR507 or Marantz 5003 which i came across. For Marantz 5003 only cost around 1.3k i can still grab Puccas Sat speaker rm100 and still make myself within 2k budget.
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I agree with netherlord. You should get at least RX-V465 or similiar range product because your board support HD-Audio and it will be a waste if you not fully utilize it. Last time I checked, V465 cost around RM1600.
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QUOTE(kopking10 @ May 4 2010, 08:50 AM)
thanks, really appreciate ur effort, i have also came across one of ur thread that u were setting up HT system as well. Mind telling me what AVR u chose in the end? TQVM. How much is the pioneer VSX-819, RX-V465, Onkyo SR507 or Marantz 5003 which i came across. For Marantz 5003 only cost around 1.3k i can still grab Puccas Sat speaker rm100 and still make myself within 2k budget.
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Marantz SR5003 at RM1.3k is a good buy. i though it's at RM1.8k like pioneer vsx-919
RM1.3k with DTS-HDMA/TrueHD decoding and 7.1 preout is thumbup.gif

QUOTE(qwerty79 @ May 4 2010, 10:16 AM)
I agree with netherlord. You should get at least RX-V465 or similiar range product because your board support HD-Audio and it will be a waste if you not fully utilize it. Last time I checked, V465 cost around RM1600.
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RX-V465 if you like yamaha sound signature.
Pioneer VXS-819 if you like pioneer sound signature.
Denon 1610 if you like denon sound signature.
Marantz SR5003 if you like marantz sound signature.
and then there's also onkyo and harman kardon. smile.gif

they all sound different from each other.
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hi sifu's i need some help. i have some video clips which is in N264 video codec .. i tried install many type of codec still canot play the file. error unable to locate codec. pls guide me
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hi sifu's  i need some help. i have some video clips which is in N264 video codec .. i tried install many type of codec still canot play the file. error unable to locate codec.  pls guide me
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it's not N264, but H264.
try and google klite mega codec. install either the full mega codec or the standard one. should be able to play most (if not all) of your media files.
or try and download vlc media player. it has built in codec in it.
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thanks, really appreciate ur effort, i have also came across one of ur thread that u were setting up HT system as well. Mind telling me what AVR u chose in the end? TQVM. How much is the pioneer VSX-819, RX-V465, Onkyo SR507 or Marantz 5003 which i came across. For Marantz 5003 only cost around 1.3k i can still grab Puccas Sat speaker rm100 and still make myself within 2k budget.
I'm using Pioneer VSX-919AH-K with Onkyo SKF-330 and Infinity Servo SSW-10 Subwoffer. All in all cost me RM2250 (RM1800 for AVR, RM100 for Speaker, RM350 for Sub)
All are 2nd hand except the speaker (might get another set to make it 7.1). Always remember to test 2nd hand units or ask for 5-7 days of personal warranty if the original warranty is over for testing period.

Last i asked, Yamaha RX-V465 was RM1.5K in Legend Jalan Klang Lama, i guess you should allocate RM1.5K to 1.8K for all the choices mention above. Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo are the more popular brands while Denon and Marantz are available at more specialized shops (Popular as in shop carrying them). Try to look around Harvey Norman to get an idea on how much those are, but they usually come bundle with speaker set so you have to dig abit deeper for the AVR price.

I been to Desa HT in Kepong and got quoted RM1.8K for Onkyo SR507 with an Onkyo Subwoofer (forgot the model).

To whichever model you chosen, i hope that your fully satisfied with your purchase. Never regret and make the best of what you got  biggrin.gif .


Added on May 4, 2010, 10:15 am

Ops  doh.gif . haha not ATI 5850 but ATI 4850 hehe sorry  blush.gif  for the mistake

I kinda forgot which shop was that. Was just running around like a headless chicken getting quotes for my freind. I guess all the pricing should be similar (except for the diff of RM10-30).
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the price full set with casing or not??

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the price full set with casing or not??
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cheap casing could be had for RM50 till a few thousand.
i just built 3 HTPC using
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for RM1.5k

core i3, the best gigabyte h55 board that i can find, 2gb ram and silverstone strider st400 power supply. didn't skimp on the power supply, mainboard and casing as it will be sitting in front of you.
the case costs me RM400 each.
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QUOTE(paskal @ May 4 2010, 11:24 AM)
it's not N264, but H264.
try and google klite mega codec. install either the full mega codec or the standard one. should be able to play most (if not all) of your media files.
or try and download vlc media player. it has built in codec in it.
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installed mega codec still same.. pls refer to the pic
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installed mega codec still same.. pls refer to the pic
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OMG it is N264!
i thought it's a typo. N264 codec is CCTV codec right? a search in google for N264 codec turns a few other question about playability. no answers though.. tough luck
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yeap...its cctv file, im out of luck on getting it work. but weirdly one of my office pc can play this file without problem. as i know every pc in my office i only install klite codec. but other pcs canot work. been a week im trying to settle this.
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QUOTE(paskal @ May 4 2010, 11:48 AM)
cheap casing could be had for RM50 till a few thousand.
i just built 3 HTPC using
user posted image
for RM1.5k

core i3, the best gigabyte h55 board that i can find, 2gb ram and silverstone strider st400 power supply. didn't skimp on the power supply, mainboard and casing as it will be sitting in front of you.
the case costs me RM400 each.
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What model is that?
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What model is that?
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I think the model is Silverstone LC 17, there one display on C-Zone Level 2 at LYP but i didn't see the price for it.


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QUOTE(Elanges @ May 4 2010, 02:08 PM)
yeap...its cctv file, im out of luck on getting it work.  but weirdly one of my office pc can play this file without problem. as i know every pc in my office  i only install klite codec.  but other pcs canot work.  been a week im trying to settle this.
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Whats the extension of the file? i know some cctv files can only be read if you installed their software or use their USB Key something. MY freind has one of those CCTV, very troublesome. In order to view the cctv footage from another pc, you have to purchase extra license or their USB thingy.


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QUOTE(kapultek @ May 4 2010, 11:33 AM)
the price full set with casing or not??
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The whole CPU excluding Monitor, Keynoard/Mouse. Casing is normal china RM80 casing i think lol.

Sorry for the late reply, missed that one doh.gif

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I think the model is Silverstone LC 17, there one display on C-Zone Level 2 at LYP but i didn't see the price for it.


Added on May 4, 2010, 10:08 pm

Whats the extension of the file? i know some cctv files can only be read if you installed their software or use their USB Key something. MY freind has one of those CCTV, very troublesome. In order to view the cctv footage from another pc, you have to purchase extra license or their USB thingy.


Added on May 4, 2010, 11:04 pm

The whole CPU excluding Monitor, Keynoard/Mouse. Casing is normal china RM80 casing i think lol.

Sorry for the late reply, missed that one  doh.gif
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it is silverstone lc17. would like to go for lc20, but the price difference is too big. better invest it in extra hdd.
czone is selling it for RM430+ so i got mine through a seller in garage sales selling it for RM400

look very nice. blends well with everything else in the cabinet.
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QUOTE(netherlord @ May 4 2010, 10:11 AM)
thanks, really appreciate ur effort, i have also came across one of ur thread that u were setting up HT system as well. Mind telling me what AVR u chose in the end? TQVM. How much is the pioneer VSX-819, RX-V465, Onkyo SR507 or Marantz 5003 which i came across. For Marantz 5003 only cost around 1.3k i can still grab Puccas Sat speaker rm100 and still make myself within 2k budget.
I'm using Pioneer VSX-919AH-K with Onkyo SKF-330 and Infinity Servo SSW-10 Subwoffer. All in all cost me RM2250 (RM1800 for AVR, RM100 for Speaker, RM350 for Sub)
All are 2nd hand except the speaker (might get another set to make it 7.1). Always remember to test 2nd hand units or ask for 5-7 days of personal warranty if the original warranty is over for testing period.

Last i asked, Yamaha RX-V465 was RM1.5K in Legend Jalan Klang Lama, i guess you should allocate RM1.5K to 1.8K for all the choices mention above. Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo are the more popular brands while Denon and Marantz are available at more specialized shops (Popular as in shop carrying them). Try to look around Harvey Norman to get an idea on how much those are, but they usually come bundle with speaker set so you have to dig abit deeper for the AVR price.

I been to Desa HT in Kepong and got quoted RM1.8K for Onkyo SR507 with an Onkyo Subwoofer (forgot the model).

To whichever model you chosen, i hope that your fully satisfied with your purchase. Never regret and make the best of what you got  biggrin.gif .

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Couldnt agree more, studied on some of the models. And yeah Pioneer 919AHK has 7.1 ch as well as Marantz SR5003 that narrows down compared to Yamaha RX-V465...thing is price is little steep for new models and will be looking for a 2nd for those who are upgrading. Speakers wise Pucca's speaker is one of the target and sub i think i cant go wrong with KEF.


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Marantz SR5003 at RM1.3k is a good buy. i though it's at RM1.8k like pioneer vsx-919
RM1.3k with DTS-HDMA/TrueHD decoding and 7.1 preout is  thumbup.gif
RX-V465 if you like yamaha sound signature.
Pioneer VXS-819 if you like pioneer sound signature.
Denon 1610 if you like denon sound signature.
Marantz SR5003 if you like marantz sound signature.
and then there's also onkyo and harman kardon. smile.gif

they all sound different from each other.
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Couldnt agree more, studied on some of the models. And yeah Pioneer 919AHK has 7.1 ch as well as Marantz SR5003 that narrows down compared to Yamaha RX-V465...thing is price is little steep for new models and will be looking for a 2nd for those who are upgrading. Speakers wise Pucca's speaker is one of the target and sub i think i cant go wrong with KEF.
Marantz for RM1.3k is used and has already been sold!!! too late...anyways i am planning for August. THanks for all the comment s and opiionion will get back for an update!
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them cheap Onkyo can't be beaten for the price. but they also can't be improved with external amplification. i tried plugging them to my power amp and they sound more or less the same haha

even my old aiwa mini hifi speaker improves with amplification. guess for the price i bought them onkyos for, i can't complain much. laugh.gif
anyway they're now discarded delegated as test speakers for my amp. blown one on the first day of test. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kopking10 @ May 5 2010, 08:43 AM)
Couldnt agree more, studied on some of the models. And yeah Pioneer 919AHK has 7.1 ch as well as Marantz SR5003 that narrows down compared to Yamaha RX-V465...thing is price is little steep for new models and will be looking for a 2nd for those who are upgrading. Speakers wise Pucca's speaker is one of the target and sub i think i cant go wrong with KEF.
Marantz for RM1.3k is used and has already been sold!!! too late...anyways i am planning for August. THanks for all the comment s and opiionion will get back for an update!
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LOL August its way bit off since AVR upgrades are coming along like freak trains on steroids (From DD / DTS to DD TrueHD / DTS-MA to 3D). By August i think you can get a 2nd hand 3D AVR drool.gif .

QUOTE(paskal @ May 5 2010, 10:11 AM)
them cheap Onkyo can't be beaten for the price. but they also can't be improved with external amplification. i tried plugging them to my power amp and they sound more or less the same haha

even my old aiwa mini hifi speaker improves with amplification. guess for the price i bought them onkyos for, i can't complain much. laugh.gif
anyway they're now discarded delegated as test speakers for my amp. blown one on the first day of test. biggrin.gif
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True but if he were to plan so far ahead (getting AVR with pre-out and getting amps for his speakers) would blow him way out of his budget. Let him get his 1st AVR, then we can poison him kau kau rclxm9.gif


Added on May 7, 2010, 1:26 amBTW since this is HTPC thread, I have a question. blush.gif

Is anyone here using XBMC? if so have you tried running BD iso, BVMV on it?

I was only successful in running M2TS file (if the whole show is under 1 file). Running index file seem to cause problems.

If there is anyone who is successful in running the files, can you share your experience here and also steps on how to configure XBMC for it? icon_idea.gif

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I'm hunting for a decent HTPC casing, was looking at Silverstone LC20 at the moment but the 80mm fan really turns me off, 120mm is a must for me to achieve higher airflow and most importantly it is not audible. There were a couple of Silverstone models which has 120mm fan but the design is not my cup of tea.

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This baby cost me around RM800, which is around Silverstone LC20 price I believe, and I have to ship it from US to Malaysia, since the nearest distributor in Singapore doesn't have it. Looking forward to complete my HTPC with Core i5 & H55 chipset. Now I'm looking for a decent heatsink for my i5, I'm planning to run passive to minimise the fan sound.
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I'm hunting for a decent HTPC casing, was looking at Silverstone LC20 at the moment but the 80mm fan really turns me off, 120mm is a must for me to achieve higher airflow and most importantly it is not audible. There were a couple of Silverstone models which has 120mm fan but the design is not my cup of tea.

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This baby cost me around RM800, which is around Silverstone LC20 price I believe, and I have to ship it from US to Malaysia, since the nearest distributor in Singapore doesn't have it. Looking forward to complete my HTPC with Core i5 & H55 chipset. Now I'm looking for a decent heatsink for my i5, I'm planning to run passive to minimise the fan sound.
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LC20 and LC17 have 2X80mm fan at the back. and optional 2 at the front and 1 at the side. using LC17 at the moment, i do believe 80mm are enough. there's no audible noise from it and my case doesn't even heat up when in use. but i only turn it on to watch movies and turn it off after that.

and it has 6 HDD bay. i'm using all 6 bays with samsung 1.5TB drives. still it doesn't heat up.
2 of my recently built HTPC are also running LC17 with core i3 and H55. the pair doesn't produce much heat thanks to the 32mm die. and all 3 are running the stock heatsink and fan combo.

IMO you don't need 120mm fan, not even if you're thinking of running the HTPC 24/7. the LC17/LC20 have great internal arrangement and lots of ventilation space.
and the best thing is, it supports lots of HDD. with little mod, i could fit in 8 HDD in there. and will do so once all my 6 are full.
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LC20 and LC17 have 2X80mm fan at the back. and optional 2 at the front and 1 at the side. using LC17 at the moment, i do believe 80mm are enough. there's no audible noise from it and my case doesn't even heat up when in use. but i only turn it on to watch movies and turn it off after that.

and it has 6 HDD bay. i'm using all 6 bays with samsung 1.5TB drives. still it doesn't heat up.
2 of my recently built HTPC are also running LC17 with core i3 and H55. the pair doesn't produce much heat thanks to the 32mm die. and all 3 are running the stock heatsink and fan combo.

IMO you don't need 120mm fan, not even if you're thinking of running the HTPC 24/7. the LC17/LC20 have great internal arrangement and lots of ventilation space.
and the best thing is, it supports lots of HDD. with little mod, i could fit in 8 HDD in there. and will do so once all my 6 are full.
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I need 120mm fan because I'm running on passive heatsink, thus I need maximum air flow to keep the unit cool while maintaining the silence. I'm not going to use the stock Intel heatsink. Of course 80mm can do the job too, but the CFM will never be as good as 120mm. I'm still looking for some heatsink replacement from Thermalright but finding one would be a challenge because of the casing size. I'm used to passive cooling and I'm really really sensitive to fan sound. A tiny fan sound can annoy me. rclxub.gif And I'll only be running one 2TB WD green inside the case to keep the heat down, I'll be storing my media in a Synology 4xsata bay NAS.
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I need 120mm fan because I'm running on passive heatsink, thus I need maximum air flow to keep the unit cool while maintaining the silence. I'm not going to use the stock Intel heatsink. Of course 80mm can do the job too, but the CFM will never be as good as 120mm. I'm still looking for some heatsink replacement from Thermalright but finding one would be a challenge because of the casing size. I'm used to passive cooling and I'm really really sensitive to fan sound. A tiny fan sound can annoy me. rclxub.gif And I'll only be running one 2TB WD green inside the case to keep the heat down, I'll be storing my media in a Synology 4xsata bay NAS.
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the 80mm fan sound in an aluminium case, a few meters from your sitting position, next to the TV and speakers won't be audible IMO. unless you put the HTPC next to you.

even then, the 80mm sound will be overwhelmed by the aircond hehe
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kianwee,

i got that casing from singapore but without the remote as in ur picture. asked a friend to bring it over.

got it for 800rm+ after conversion. it's one hell of a casing smile.gif
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kianwee,

i got that casing from singapore but without the remote as in ur picture. asked a friend to bring it over.

got it for 800rm+ after conversion. it's one hell of a casing smile.gif
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at that price, it better be.. tongue.gif
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the innards are cheap .. i mean my htpc.
i'll post some pics of the inside once i get it out frm my phone. smile.gif
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QUOTE(paskal @ May 9 2010, 06:08 PM)
the 80mm fan sound in an aluminium case, a few meters from your sitting position, next to the TV and speakers won't be audible IMO. unless you put the HTPC next to you.

even then, the 80mm sound will be overwhelmed by the aircond hehe
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Sound is not that bigger problem for me since I'll be blasting movie anyway, most importantly I need the airflow which the 80mm will not deliver.
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Sound is not that bigger problem for me since I'll be blasting movie anyway, most importantly I need the airflow which the 80mm will not deliver.
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Finally I found a suitable heatsink replacement for the stock intel heatsink - Thermalright AXP-140 for HTPC.

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QUOTE(temppei @ May 9 2010, 06:58 PM)
kianwee,

i got that casing from singapore but without the remote as in ur picture. asked a friend to bring it over.

got it for 800rm+ after conversion. it's one hell of a casing smile.gif
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Wow..We are same gang.. laugh.gif
I'm having one as well... For the remote, u can use Microsoft MCE compatible remote..

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QUOTE(paskal @ May 9 2010, 06:08 PM)
the 80mm fan sound in an aluminium case, a few meters from your sitting position, next to the TV and speakers won't be audible IMO. unless you put the HTPC next to you.

even then, the 80mm sound will be overwhelmed by the aircond hehe
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Intel stock fan is not as noisy as I thought. In fact it run quieter than my previous CM hsf. From 5 ft, I can't here anything from my pc specially with all the movie sound.

QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 9 2010, 11:33 PM)
Wow..We are same gang.. laugh.gif
I'm having one as well... For the remote, u can use Microsoft MCE compatible remote..

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This is my dream casing. If only my pocket is big enough. cry.gif

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hey bro(accs_center), ur the one who got me poisoned and bought the casing. and i got the casing from the website u gave me smile.gif. haha

i wanted to buy the silver one but they hv stopped selling them. took the black one with lcd instead.

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want to ask, can gtx 400 series cards bitstream HD audio / 8ch LPCM?
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Nvidia series still cannot..
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QUOTE(kianwee @ May 9 2010, 11:00 PM)
Finally I found a suitable heatsink replacement for the stock intel heatsink - Thermalright AXP-140 for HTPC.
Do you know where to get 1156 btk for it? lurking for 1. you also can check out cogage mst140, cheaper as well
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what? at this time and age, nvidia.... lol...
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Intel stock fan is not as noisy as I thought. In fact it run quieter than my previous CM hsf. From 5 ft, I can't here anything from my pc specially with all the movie sound.
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precisely. i've grown out of aftermarket solutions for years now.
unless people are thinking of overclocking the CPU, the stock heatsink and fan are good enough. even closer than 5 ft, i can't hear anything from my HTPC.
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QUOTE(tolorati @ May 10 2010, 07:47 PM)
what? at this time and age, nvidia.... lol...
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Well think of it like Ferari and Lamboghini blush.gif , Its either the Agile Horse or the Angry Bull, Neither one would be a bad choice if the steering wheel is in your hands. rclxms.gif

Nivida has more supporters (Games and such) and ATI has more functionality (Bitstream). Neither would be a bad choice in a HTPC. Iam pretty happy with the 9600M GT in my laptop that iam using as a Part-Time HTPC. Although i wouldn't mind having a 58xx inside my Desktop for actual DD TrueHD / DTS-MA bitstreaming.

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QUOTE(netherlord @ May 10 2010, 11:15 PM)
Nivida has more supporters (Games and such) and ATI has more functionality (Bitstream). Neither would be a bad choice in a HTPC. Iam pretty happy with the 9600M GT in my laptop that iam using as a Part-Time HTPC. Although i wouldn't mind having a 58xx inside my Desktop for actual DD TrueHD / DTS-MA bitstreaming.

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My mobo in HTPC just got burnt.. Now Downgrading my spec to Core i5 + H55 Based Mobo. Sound and Graphic will be on its Intel HD Graphic and Bitstream to AVR..

Previous Spec is Xeon 3110 + Xonar HDAV 1.3 + Radeon 4650

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QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 11 2010, 02:43 PM)
My mobo in HTPC just got burnt.. Now Downgrading my spec to Core i5 + H55 Based Mobo. Sound and Graphic will be on its Intel HD Graphic and Bitstream to AVR..

Previous Spec is Xeon 3110 + Xonar HDAV 1.3 + Radeon 4650

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Atm iam running a C2D with Gigabyte MB + Nvidia 8800 GT so buying a new proc/mb isn't a good choice for me but upgrading my GC to ATI is rclxms.gif , so far i converted my rig into a NAS server for my laptop so i can bring it out to the living and back into my room easily. If i can get bitstream from 58xx then i'll set my laptop to my living room and use my desktop as a full time HTPC rig fpor my bedroom.
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QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 11 2010, 02:43 PM)
My mobo in HTPC just got burnt.. Now Downgrading my spec to Core i5 + H55 Based Mobo. Sound and Graphic will be on its Intel HD Graphic and Bitstream to AVR..

Previous Spec is Xeon 3110 + Xonar HDAV 1.3 + Radeon 4650

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Good choice rclxms.gif

Looks like we have almost the same setup.
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I think more and more people are using i3/i5+H55 combo now as they are the best choice so far.
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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ May 12 2010, 08:52 AM)
I think more and more people are using i3/i5+H55 combo now as they are the best choice so far.
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Ya..With these setup, we are able to reduce the heat and noise of PC components..Fan Noise is annoying when watching movie..
Using Stock Intel fan now is extremely silent.. thumbup.gif
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Hi guys,

The inside of my Antec Fusion Black casing. This is the only pic i can find in my phone.

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I have read reviews that say core i3/i5 has a bug in 24p playback. Any of U experience that?
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I have read reviews that say core i3/i5 has a bug in 24p playback. Any of U experience that?
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Seems to me that problem might be a software/codec problem don't vmad.gif me on that thought blink.gif

I found in anandtech forum the link in AVS for discussing the i3, i5 and i7 processor and H55 (HD + Bitstream), but too long for me to read thru now blush.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1172451

Anyone who need more info on Core i and H55 will get more than enough info from that link i think icon_idea.gif but beware, alot of technical jargon inside rclxub.gif

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I said problems with 24p playback, not HD audio bitstreaming. doh.gif
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I said problems with 24p playback, not HD audio bitstreaming. doh.gif
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Will tell u when/if i got 24p compatible LCD TV sweat.gif

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My mobo in HTPC just got burnt.. Now Downgrading my spec to Core i5 + H55 Based Mobo. Sound and Graphic will be on its Intel HD Graphic and Bitstream to AVR..


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bro, mind telling me wat H55 based mobo u are using?

coz i read the gigabyte H55 mobo, it cant bitstream 3rd generation audio thru HDMI
only DTS, AC3, and LPCM-2Ch cry.gif
another thing, it cant dual output DVI and HDMI simultaneously... cry.gif cry.gif

do u know which mobo can bitstream and dual output FULL HD via DVI and FULL HD+Bitstream 3rd gen audio thru HDMI simultaneously?

thank you

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QUOTE(cougar richard @ May 12 2010, 02:43 PM)
bro, mind telling me wat H55 based mobo u are using?

coz i read the gigabyte H55 mobo, it cant bitstream 3rd generation audio thru HDMI
only DTS, AC3, and LPCM-2Ch cry.gif
another thing, it cant dual output DVI and HDMI simultaneously... cry.gif  cry.gif

do u know which mobo can bitstream and dual output FULL HD via DVI and FULL HD+Bitstream 3rd gen audio thru HDMI simultaneously?

thank you
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As i know, it only cannot output both DVI n HDMI in BIOS setup.. No problem in windows..Anyway, let me try 1st only confirm
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As i know, it only cannot output both DVI n HDMI in BIOS setup.. No problem in windows..Anyway, let me try 1st only confirm
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thank you in advance

but which mobo brand and model u using?

is it all H55-based chipset can bitstream HD audio regardless of wat brand the mobo is?

i searched thru google, it says any H55-based mobo can bitstream

but when i go read the Gigabyte H55-based mobo user manual, it says only support DTS, AC3, and LPCM-2Ch
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QUOTE(cougar richard @ May 12 2010, 03:54 PM)
thank you in advance

but which mobo brand and model u using?

is it all H55-based chipset can bitstream HD audio regardless of wat brand the mobo is?

i searched thru google, it says any H55-based mobo can bitstream

but when i go read the Gigabyte H55-based mobo user manual, it says only support DTS, AC3, and LPCM-2Ch
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Yes.. H55 Based Mobo can do bitstream when use together with its built-in Intel HD Graphics.. AV receiver will do the decoding job on DTS-MA/True-HD

My Mobo is as followed..

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Yes.. H55 Based Mobo can do bitstream when use together with its built-in Intel HD Graphics.. AV receiver will do the decoding job on DTS-MA/True-HD

My Mobo is as followed..

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wow! SSD!!!

so can dual output DVI and HDMI simultaneously?

anyway, the dolby home theater useful?
if using optical or HDMI audio, i think no use rite?

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QUOTE(cougar richard @ May 12 2010, 04:34 PM)
wow! SSD!!!

so can dual output DVI and HDMI simultaneously?

anyway, the dolby home theater useful?
if using optical or HDMI audio, i think no use rite?
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Dolby HT not really useful since we bitstream to AVR but SYOK to see.. haha

DVI n HDMI works as dual display..


Just received these plaques as wall decoration for my Room Theater & HTPC.. blush.gif

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QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 12 2010, 04:50 PM)
Dolby HT not really useful since we bitstream to AVR but SYOK to see.. haha

DVI n HDMI works as dual display..
Just received these plaques as wall decoration for my Room Theater & HTPC..  blush.gif

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Nice plaques drool.gif Where you get them?

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QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 12 2010, 04:50 PM)
Dolby HT not really useful since we bitstream to AVR but SYOK to see.. haha

DVI n HDMI works as dual display..
Just received these plaques as wall decoration for my Room Theater & HTPC..  blush.gif

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tat plate i searching for long time already!
been thinking wanna custom made by local shop

how much u got them??
i mean deliver to door step


btw, mmu should be in exam season now rite?
or u hv graduated??
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QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 12 2010, 04:50 PM)
Dolby HT not really useful since we bitstream to AVR but SYOK to see.. haha

DVI n HDMI works as dual display..
Just received these plaques as wall decoration for my Room Theater & HTPC..  blush.gif

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Wahh nice ones, the only plague i have for my HT room is stuck to my teeth tongue.gif

Back to topic, have you notice any difference when using normal platter HDD with SSD? i.e Loading of movie files mkvs exceeding 25GB

I notice some different when i borrowed my freind SSD to play around for a day (Starting up the XBMC and loading of the movie) and was impress with the performance, but put off for the price. Might consider it later on for my new HTPC once my room have finish renovating.

My "Planned" build (Don't laugh pls tongue.gif )

Intel Core i5 650
Gigabyte H55M-S2H
4 GB RAM
CoolerMaster 500W Extreme Power
Carbon Black Chieftec Dragon (This has been lying unused for over a year already)
4 GB RAM
2 X 1.5TB Seagate (For My HTPC Media)
1 X 1TB W.D. Green (64MB) (For Other PC stuff)
1 X 500GB Samsung (For OS Win7 and Ubuntu XBMC) or 1 X Intel X25-V SSD 40GB (Ubuntu XBMC)

Hope to get this done in 1 month's time when i move into my newly re-designed room sweat.gif
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QUOTE(netherlord @ May 12 2010, 08:14 PM)
Wahh nice ones, the only plague i have for my HT room is stuck to my teeth  tongue.gif

Back to topic, have you notice any difference when using normal platter HDD with SSD? i.e Loading of movie files mkvs exceeding 25GB

I notice some different when i borrowed my freind SSD to play around for a day (Starting up the XBMC and loading of the movie) and was impress with the performance, but put off for the price. Might consider it later on for my new HTPC once my room have finish renovating.

My "Planned" build (Don't laugh pls  tongue.gif )

Intel Core i5 650
Gigabyte H55M-S2H
4 GB RAM
CoolerMaster 500W Extreme Power
Carbon Black Chieftec Dragon (This has been lying unused for over a year already)
4 GB RAM
2 X 1.5TB Seagate (For My HTPC Media)
1 X 1TB W.D. Green (64MB) (For Other PC stuff)
1 X 500GB Samsung (For OS Win7 and Ubuntu XBMC) or 1 X Intel X25-V SSD 40GB (Ubuntu XBMC)

Hope to get this done in 1 month's time when i move into my newly re-designed room  sweat.gif
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Why need to laugh, you have good setup there but my suggestion, get a better PSU.
Last time, I use the same PSU as yours with my old setup (E8400+HD4650) and my electric bill was so high for 24/7 torrent/htpc. At first I thought it is normal but after a few months, I bought CM 550w real power, somehow my bill decrease a lots. Like from RM80-90 to RM60-RM70.

Also planning to buy SSD but the price still too expensive. Waiting for 80Gb to drop below RM500.
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Initial Testing...
[Intel H55 + Core i5 = Intel HD Graphics]

Bitstream via TMT 3

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No issue to bitstream after selected default playback via Intel Display

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Dual Display via DVI & HDMI

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No issue to extend desktop or clone..
But Initial testing fail to bitstream when clone the 2 display even selected AVR as primary display [PC's HDMI > AVR > TV]

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QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 13 2010, 10:02 AM)
Initial Testing...

Bitstream via TMT 3

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No issue to bitstream after selected default playback via Intel Display

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Dual Display via DVI & HDMI

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No issue to extend desktop or clone..
But Initial testing fail to bitstream when clone the 2 display even selected AVR as primary display [PC's HDMI > AVR > TV]
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cool cool...

or perhaps can only bitstream when in extended desktop setting?


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QUOTE(qwerty79 @ May 13 2010, 09:43 AM)
Why need to laugh, you have good setup there but my suggestion, get a better PSU.
Last time, I use the same PSU as yours with my old setup (E8400+HD4650) and my electric bill was so high for 24/7 torrent/htpc. At first I thought it is normal but after a few months, I bought CM 550w real power, somehow my bill decrease a lots. Like from RM80-90 to RM60-RM70.

Also planning to buy SSD but the price still too expensive. Waiting for 80Gb to drop below RM500.
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Thanks for the suggestion, will look into CM 550W later. Yeah SSD still too expensive to get now, but if only used for Loading OS and Application then i think 40GB is enough but still abit expensive at RM400++ for 40GB. Will see how my budget go when i actually go get the items. For now i can only look and drool looking at accs_center pics drool.gif
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QUOTE(cougar richard @ May 12 2010, 07:12 PM)
how much u got them??
i mean deliver to door step
btw, mmu should be in exam season now rite?
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It is around RM350 per piece..
I oledi graduated quite some time.. sweat.gif


Added on May 13, 2010, 1:20 pm
QUOTE(netherlord @ May 12 2010, 08:14 PM)
Hope to get this done in 1 month's time when i move into my newly re-designed room  sweat.gif
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No sneak preview of your newly redesigned room 1st? drool.gif


Added on May 13, 2010, 1:22 pm
QUOTE(netherlord @ May 13 2010, 12:13 PM)
Thanks for the suggestion, will look into CM 550W later. Yeah SSD still too expensive to get now, but if only used for Loading OS and Application then i think 40GB is enough but still abit expensive at RM400++ for 40GB. Will see how my budget go when i actually go get the items. For now i can only look and drool looking at accs_center pics  drool.gif
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No need to drool..mine is not high end system anyway..

SSD is not a must if for HTPC purchase.. But i cant stop myself after use my 1st Intel X25 SSD..hehe

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QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 13 2010, 01:18 PM)
It is around RM350 per piece..
I oledi graduated quite some time.. sweat.gif


Added on May 13, 2010, 1:20 pm

No sneak preview of your newly redesigned room 1st?  drool.gif


Added on May 13, 2010, 1:22 pm

No need to drool..mine is not high end system anyway..

SSD is not a must if for HTPC purchase.. But i cant stop myself after use my 1st Intel X25 SSD..hehe
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Bro your plaques are not the LED one right? I saw the LED one was like USD199 per piece.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ May 13 2010, 01:28 PM)
Bro your plaques are not the LED one right? I saw the LED one was like USD199 per piece.
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Think to get LED one but once see the price..scare scare!
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Think to get LED one but once see the price..scare scare!
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Added on May 13, 2010, 2:03 pm
QUOTE(qwerty79 @ May 13 2010, 09:43 AM)
Why need to laugh, you have good setup there but my suggestion, get a better PSU.
Last time, I use the same PSU as yours with my old setup (E8400+HD4650) and my electric bill was so high for 24/7 torrent/htpc. At first I thought it is normal but after a few months, I bought CM 550w real power, somehow my bill decrease a lots. Like from RM80-90 to RM60-RM70.

Also planning to buy SSD but the price still too expensive. Waiting for 80Gb to drop below RM500.
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but itsn't the real power psu suppose to consume more power than non real power type?

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Real power PSU doesnt waste energy and use electricity efficiently..

Dont get mistaken a 500W PSU will consume 500W all the times.. it is the highest load the PSU can handle..
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Real power PSU doesnt waste energy and use electricity efficiently..

Dont get mistaken a 500W PSU will consume 500W all the times.. it is the highest load the PSU can handle..
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QUOTE(accs_centre @ May 13 2010, 01:18 PM)
It is around RM350 per piece..
I oledi graduated quite some time.. sweat.gif


Added on May 13, 2010, 1:20 pm

No sneak preview of your newly redesigned room 1st?  drool.gif


Added on May 13, 2010, 1:22 pm

No need to drool..mine is not high end system anyway..

SSD is not a must if for HTPC purchase.. But i cant stop myself after use my 1st Intel X25 SSD..hehe
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hi accs_centre, what movie software are you using? (in the screenshot) TotalTheater that comes with your soundcard? I know PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra plays both BD/HD DVD. but the info display looks different lah in your screenshot.

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hi accs_centre, what movie software are you using? (in the screenshot) TotalTheater that comes with your soundcard? I know PowerDVD 7.3 Ultra plays both BD/HD DVD. but the info display looks different lah in your screenshot.
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It's TotalMedia Theatre 3 by Arcsoft.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ May 14 2010, 10:23 PM)
It's TotalMedia Theatre 3 by Arcsoft.
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ops missing "Media" thankx. I believe it came free with the ASUS soundcard  flex.gif
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I bought it la..
But i do have the Asus bundle version..It can be installed only if Asus Xonar Soundcard is detected in ur PC
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Can the arcsoft TMT 3 played mkv files and flac audio files?
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Can the arcsoft TMT 3 played mkv files and flac audio files?
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Note: i. Divx AVIMKVMKV (with DivX codec installed)

Audio : MP2, WAV, Ogg, AAC, WMA

Btw, i prefer to use Cyberlink PowerDVD 10.1601 , works well on my Win 7 Ultimate ed. icon_rolleyes.gif

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hi guys i want to know does a very cheap htpc card like

8400 gs/g210/3450/4350/5450 really accelerates 1080p mkv files with avg bit rate of 15 to 25 mbps with h.264//vc-1//mpeg2 codecs??

i mean with latest drivers and support will the cpu usage be around 30% max? i have quad core Q9400 for mw and Ph II X4 945 in my parents pc i really want a very cheap card to enjoy the 1080p mkv in my vacation please suggest me some
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My suggestion go for ATI series 4 or 5 as they have UVD2 which accelerate both VC1 and h.264.. As i know, Nvidia PureVideo2 will still consume more CPU power when decoding VC1..

For now, take ATI series 5 is better as it support Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD bitstream to AV Receiver..

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hi guys i want to know does a very cheap htpc card like

8400 gs/g210/3450/4350/5450 really accelerates 1080p mkv files with avg bit rate of 15 to 25 mbps with h.264//vc-1//mpeg2 codecs??

i mean with latest drivers and support will the cpu usage be around 30% max? i have quad core Q9400  for mw and Ph II X4 945 in my parents pc i really want a very cheap card to enjoy the 1080p mkv in my  vacation please suggest me some
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you want a portable htpc to accompany you to your vacation?

LoL

better get something small like the wdtv live. costs just RM300-something.
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i dont have aa hdmi tv in my house

nvidia g210/g220/gt240 i heard that they are better decoders than 5000 series i might be wrong but they support vp4
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ May 17 2010, 02:31 PM)
i dont have aa hdmi tv in my house

nvidia g210/g220/gt240 i heard that they are better decoders than 5000 series i might be wrong but they support vp4
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eh wait, are you using the computer LCD to play your movies?
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Question.......

due to my super low budget, plan to get a very cheap mobo. Board got no back optical output. But, if the onboard/internal i/o has spdif output, how do i convert it to coaxial/optical?

been searching in the forum but could find the fact that i'm looking for.

I know there is a bracket, but where can i get it.

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QUOTE(xsi @ May 18 2010, 12:42 AM)
Question.......

due to my super low budget, plan to get a very cheap mobo. Board got no back optical output. But, if the  onboard/internal i/o has spdif output, how do i convert it to coaxial/optical?

been searching in the forum but could find the fact that i'm looking for.

I know there is a bracket, but where can i get it.
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spdif = optical toslink - check your board - should be the same.

http://www.topbits.com/spdif.html

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The physical connectors were switched from XLR (commercial and professional audio equipment) to either RCA jacks (with electrical coaxial cable) or TOSLINK (optical fiber; also known as EIAJ Optical).


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Hi forumers,

Can you recommend a noiseless PSU for SilverStone GD05? I'm looking at 300W or max 400W PSU to be installed for a HTPC. Thanks

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QUOTE(xsi @ May 18 2010, 12:42 AM)
Question.......

due to my super low budget, plan to get a very cheap mobo. Board got no back optical output. But, if the  onboard/internal i/o has spdif output, how do i convert it to coaxial/optical?

been searching in the forum but could find the fact that i'm looking for.

I know there is a bracket, but where can i get it.
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if you dont mind a bit of DIY, spdif headers on mobo's can be tapped out to either TOSLINK or Coax.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=997533

I have done this for both my motherboards, one is Intel D510Mo. Works perfectly.

Total cost is RM3, if you have leftover CD-rom audio cables / zif connectors lying around.
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guys,

which one better for 1080p playback through 40" full HD

1) i3 (rm390) + H55 (rm350) (using onboard graphic)
or
2) c2d (rm390) + chaplang mobo (rm100) + graphic card (rm300)
or
3) pentium 4 set + graphic card (rm600)
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I wonder where u can get RM100 mobo?

If u dun gaming, take 1

If u wanna play games, take 2
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yup...a lot of DIY guide for the spdif-optical thingy....but not planning to DIY....sucks at it...
been browsing lot yat for the bracket but cant find any..
help appreciated...

thanks..


Added on May 19, 2010, 12:29 amlooking at biostar am3 785g board (e.g. ta785ge)...this board can work with ddr2 pc2-6400 RAM?
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Internal memory - 1024MB
Internal memory type - DDR2-SDRAM
Form factor - 240 Pin DIMM
Bus clock rate - 800MHz
CAS latency - CL 5-6-6-15

Damn...i am that clueless...
thanks..

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From BioStar TA785GE-128 Memory Support Page you will see that the MB supports DDR2 800MHz RAM. Your RAM Mods should work fine.

Bear in mind though you will get better performance if you installed a pair or 2 pairs of the same DDR2 RAM Mods together. Check your MB manual for more details.

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thank mrbob..
btw...based on the spec, there are 4 RAM slots but 2 diff color convention..can i assume the slots are meant for the same type of RAM?

i have 4 identical 1GB RAM sticks (ddr2 800)...that i got at a very good price...so plan to use it all..
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QUOTE(firestater @ May 18 2010, 08:45 PM)
guys,

which one better for 1080p playback through 40" full HD

1) i3 (rm390) + H55 (rm350) (using onboard graphic)
or
2) c2d (rm390) + chaplang mobo (rm100) + graphic card (rm300)
or
3) pentium 4 set + graphic card (rm600)
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if choose 1 can play games rite...
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choose 1 can play full hd 1080p playback through 40" full HD but some of high 3d game cannot play lo.

another option
amd 250(rm210)+gigabyte 785(rm320)+graphic card gt250 or ati 4670(rm2xx)

can handle full hd playback & 3d gaming

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QUOTE(ithomesolution @ May 19 2010, 11:48 AM)
choose 1 can play full hd 1080p playback through 40" full HD but some of high 3d game cannot play lo.

another option
amd 250(rm210)+gigabyte 785(rm320)+graphic card gt250 or ati 4670(rm2xx)

can handle full hd playback & 3d gaming
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but doesn't do HD audio bitstreaming.
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QUOTE(paskal @ May 19 2010, 11:52 AM)
but doesn't do HD audio bitstreaming.
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I don't think he mention he need that in the first place, especially if he is using the TV sound.
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bro u r right, if u want HD audio bitstreaming than u have to use ati 5 series for HD audio bitstreaming & 3d gaming. price will higher.
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what games h55 mobo support....built in gc is comparable to what ati gc
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if i not wrong, giga h55 mobo don't have built in gc, only built in intel hd graphic in i3, i5 & i7. if u want to play like Crysis or Left for Dead2 3d games without graphic card. u have to take i7 for smooth play.


Added on May 19, 2010, 3:27 pmif u want to watch movie only
i3 + h55 mobo (can do HD audio bitstreaming)
or low butget
amd 250 + 785 mobo


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ok thanks
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QUOTE(ithomesolution @ May 19 2010, 11:48 AM)
choose 1 can play full hd 1080p playback through 40" full HD but some of high 3d game cannot play lo.

another option
amd 250(rm210)+gigabyte 785(rm320)+graphic card gt250 or ati 4670(rm2xx)

can handle full hd playback & 3d gaming
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.AMD Athlon II X2 AM3 Processor 250 (rm225)+ Ati HD 5450 (rm250) <---this the 5 series is it? can HD audio bitstreaming) + mobo GA-MA785GMT-US2H (rm310) = total rm 885

regarding this setup , how do you thing about the sound from the fan/box. how loud it is?
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power color ati 5450 can get below 200......anybody actually tried that card? hehehehe..
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.AMD Athlon II X2 AM3 Processor 250  (rm225)+ Ati HD 5450 (rm250) <---this the 5 series is it? can HD audio bitstreaming) + mobo GA-MA785GMT-US2H (rm310) = total rm 885

regarding this setup , how do you thing about the sound from the fan/box. how loud it is?
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i've build some core i3 with gigabyte h55m-usb3 also costed RM800+
the mainboard supports 8 SATA drives, i think 12 USB port and USB 3.0

5450 is an entry level card. i doubt you could game on that card. and AMD usually runs hotter than intel chips. esp compared to the newer i3.
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i lost 15s of my hair and counting sitting in front of my lappie deciding this particular htpc setup.
And now back to my initial intention a setup that can play 1080p ( downloaded not Bluray Disk) and silent.
Not a gamer at all the last game i played and enjoy CSZ. and i assumed all integrated GPU can support that.

A )(70%) AMD Athlon II X2 AM3 250 (rm225) + 880GM-UD2H (rm345) = RM 570
B) (30%) i3 (rm390) + H55-S2H (rm340) = RM730


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HD audio bitstreaming is output dtshd, truehd sound to ur av receiver that can support dtshd sound like yamaha, pinoeer, Denon. if u connect direct to ur lcd tv, than u dont have dtshd sound.
(sound from the fan/box. how loud it is?) if u want quiet sound u have to change another cooler, cause original amd fan a bit noisy when over 50'C
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QUOTE(ithomesolution @ May 19 2010, 04:52 PM)
HD audio bitstreaming is output dtshd, truehd sound to ur av receiver that can support dtshd sound like yamaha, pinoeer, Denon. if u connect direct to ur lcd tv, than u dont have dtshd sound.
(sound from the fan/box. how loud it is?) if u want quiet sound u have to change another cooler, cause original amd fan a bit noisy when over 50'C
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on my samsung ht-zt225 come with ---> External Digital Optical Input Jack
and on this 880GM-UD2H ---- > HD audio (Realtek ALC892 with Dolby Home Theater)

so i just hook up both S/PDIF it will do the jobs is it....
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thank mrbob..
btw...based on the spec, there are 4 RAM slots but 2 diff color convention..can i assume the slots are meant for the same type of RAM?

i have 4 identical 1GB RAM sticks (ddr2 800)...that i got at a very good price...so plan to use it all..
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QUOTE(xsi @ May 19 2010, 08:37 AM)
thank mrbob..
btw...based on the spec, there are 4 RAM slots but 2 diff color convention..can i assume the slots are meant for the same type of RAM?

i have 4 identical 1GB RAM sticks (ddr2 800)...that i got at a very good price...so plan to use it all..
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Use 2 same identical RAM in same color slot so that ur PC will run in Dual Channel Memory.. Since u hv 4 pcs identocal RAm, just plug in all..
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now i have enough budget to buy htpc...please do recommend which i should buy.. amd or intel i3..
still undecided...
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QUOTE(firestater @ May 19 2010, 05:36 PM)
on my samsung ht-zt225 come with ---> External Digital Optical Input Jack
and on this  880GM-UD2H ---- > HD audio (Realtek ALC892 with Dolby Home Theater)

so i just hook up both S/PDIF it will do the jobs is it....
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if not mistake, ur specs can only can get dts & dolby digtal sound not dts hd sound.
if u want dts hd sound u need

option 1 - asus xonar 1.3 sound card
option 2 - ati 5 series graphic card

using hdmi to get the dts hd sound.
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His HTiB cant decode DTS-HD via HDMI input so no need to consider your option..
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His HTiB cant decode DTS-HD via HDMI input so no need to consider your option..
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hi gurus and sifus, need recommendation on building a htpc. my budget is rm1500-2000.

my htpc is for playing MKV, youtube, surfing and PPS, that's all. =)
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hi gurus and sifus, need recommendation on building a htpc. my budget is rm1500-2000.

my htpc is for playing MKV, youtube, surfing and PPS, that's all. =)
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No pun intended but its like walking into shop and asking a salesman what he have for sale blink.gif

In order to build a htpc, there are various factors to take into consideration. What sound system your running now? HiTB or AVR? What output do you need? HDMI or Composite? Optical or Bitstream? What future upgrades you looking at? You need to do a little research then ask the correct questions.

BTW all your requirements are already answered in all the previous post. Take some time to browse thru the past post then ask again with the proper questions. As for your question, anything spec will suffice in doing that. Thats all rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(netherlord @ May 21 2010, 03:27 AM)
No pun intended but its like walking into shop and asking a salesman what he have for sale  blink.gif

In order to build a htpc, there are various factors to take into consideration. What sound system your running now? HiTB or AVR? What output do you need? HDMI or Composite? Optical or Bitstream? What future upgrades you looking at? You need to do a little research then ask the correct questions.

BTW all your requirements are already answered in all the previous post. Take some time to browse thru the past post then ask again with the proper questions. As for your question, anything spec will suffice in doing that. Thats all  rclxms.gif
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forgot to mention, my video output will be hdmi and for sound will be spdif via toslink.
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Guys - any good speaker cables and cost per feet? I'm going to do wiring for my 10 feet x 15 feet tv room. The cheaper the better... smile.gif
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forgot to mention, my video output will be hdmi and for sound will be spdif via toslink.
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Core i5 530 + Gigabyte H55M-UD2H + 2GB RAM + 1.5TB HDD + China ATX Casing + 400W PS + DVD Burner = RM17++

Outputs will be HDMI(Video), Optical(Sound).

Future Upgrade = DD TrueHD / DTS MA Bitstream capable AVR (thru HDMI), Bluray drive for BD playback.

Core spec will be able to handle most of your req there and future upgrade to support DD TrueHD and DTS MA is in place if you wanna upgrade your HT set. Hope this fits your budget rclxms.gif
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Core i5 530 + Gigabyte H55M-UD2H + 2GB RAM + 1.5TB HDD + China ATX Casing + 400W PS + DVD Burner = RM17++

Outputs will be HDMI(Video), Optical(Sound).

Future Upgrade = DD TrueHD / DTS MA Bitstream capable AVR (thru HDMI), Bluray drive for BD playback.

Core spec will be able to handle most of your req there and future upgrade to support DD TrueHD and DTS MA is in place if you wanna upgrade your HT set. Hope this fits your budget  rclxms.gif
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any particular reason in selecting core i5 when core i3 is enough?
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My final decision (already back to intel) will purchase it within next week

INTEL CORE I3 530 (390) + Asus P7H55-M (300) (using the iGPU) + 2gb x 1 (170)

and the casing should be either one
4-a) E-SuperCase Series Micro-ATX
4-b) Cooler Master Elite 360

future update if needed ATI 5 series (HD audio bit streaming)
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QUOTE(nocar @ May 21 2010, 03:22 PM)
Guys - any good speaker cables and cost per feet? I'm going to do wiring for my 10 feet x 15 feet tv room. The cheaper the better... smile.gif
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jalan pasar got plenty of pink color speaker cable tongue.gif veli cheap tongue.gif
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any particular reason in selecting core i5 when core i3 is enough?
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Based on your budget, dont you wanna get the best hardware possible?
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My final decision (already back to intel) will purchase it within next week

INTEL CORE I3 530 (390) + Asus P7H55-M (300) (using the iGPU) + 2gb x 1 (170)

and the casing should be either one
4-a) E-SuperCase Series Micro-ATX
4-b) Cooler Master Elite 360

future update if needed ATI 5 series (HD audio bit streaming)
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the core i3 paired with h55 is able to do hd audio bitstream. you don't need the ATI 5 series GC.

QUOTE(netherlord @ May 22 2010, 07:07 AM)
Based on your budget, dont you wanna get the best hardware possible?
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nope.
i'm gonna choose the lower end of the core series which could do bitstream (core i3-530) since the extra clockspeed won't improve the decoding performance (if software decoding is used) and won't affect anything if hardware decoding is used.
the lower clockspeed reduces the heat output, thus reducing the fan speed and noise.

the saved budget will be used to get the most important part in (any) HTPC (media library):
STORAGE.
RM300 saved is another 1.5TB of storage. i already have 6 and fully filled 5 of it.


then again, my requirement might not be the same as everyone. smile.gif
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QUOTE(g5sim @ May 22 2010, 01:35 AM)
jalan pasar got plenty of pink color speaker cable tongue.gif veli cheap tongue.gif
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so far away to get pinky wires. I'm going to window-shop at hardware store or the Car Hifi shops to get some quotes. Think of getting the white-colored cable pair. Luckily my wireman could not come today to rewire my tv room.
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the core i3 paired with h55 is able to do hd audio bitstream. you don't need the ATI 5 series GC.
nope.
i'm gonna choose the lower end of the core series which could do bitstream (core i3-530) since the extra clockspeed won't improve the decoding performance (if software decoding is used) and won't affect anything if hardware decoding is used.
the lower clockspeed reduces the heat output, thus reducing the fan speed and noise.

the saved budget will be used to get the most important part in (any) HTPC (media library):
STORAGE.
RM300 saved is another 1.5TB of storage. i already have 6 and fully filled 5 of it.
then again, my requirement might not be the same as everyone. smile.gif
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True that most ppl have different requirement from their HTPC. As per yikyeou request, i just provide a spec to match his budget. How he wants to change it is totally up to him.

For me, Processor play a bigger role than Storage cause occasionally i do some video/sound editing/authoring so the extra speed comes in handy. My HTPC is more like a transformer biggrin.gif , when hooked up to my Monitor i use it to do general work, when hooked up to my AVR it transforms into a Media HTPC. rclxms.gif

P.S Iam using Acer 6935G notebook as my workhorse and HTPC. Windows Vista for general work and XBMC for Media HTPC purpose.

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where can i get biostar am3 ddr2 785g board?
very hard to find lah..
need am3 ddr2 x 4 slots...785g...if anybody can recommend anything below 300..
tq...
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so far away to get pinky wires. I'm going to window-shop at hardware store or the Car Hifi shops to get some quotes. Think of getting the white-colored cable pair. Luckily my wireman could not come today to rewire my tv room.
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Some info on cheap speaker cables:
1. The kinda thick cable pair with transparent plastic cover cost around RM45 for 40m per roll at Hardware shop. That will be around RM1.13 per metre.
2. One of the cables at specialist hifi shop that look the same as cable at hardware shop in #1 cost you RM5 per metre. But they provide you good buying experience lah .... aie-conditioned shops, can demo, give you reverse osmosis water etc. hehehe...
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QUOTE(nocar @ May 24 2010, 12:25 PM)
Some info on cheap speaker cables:
1. The kinda thick cable pair with transparent plastic cover cost around RM45 for 40m per roll at Hardware shop. That will be around RM1.13 per metre.
2. One of the cables at specialist hifi shop that look the same as cable at hardware shop in #1 cost you RM5 per metre. But they provide you good buying experience lah .... aie-conditioned shops, can demo, give you reverse osmosis water etc. hehehe...
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make sure that the core conductor is of heavy gauge. most cheap cables look big, but actually it's the insulation that's thick but with small core.
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Yesterday, i managed to complete my HTPC setup.
p7h55m-i3-stock hsf(not bad)-2gb ram-1tb ram-powerlogic allegra 500. So evrything working fine, the only thing is. How can i disable the sound from HDMI, just let it go through spdif home theater set.
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QUOTE(firestater @ May 26 2010, 06:14 AM)
Yesterday, i managed to complete my HTPC setup.
p7h55m-i3-stock hsf(not bad)-2gb ram-1tb ram-powerlogic allegra 500. So evrything working fine, the only thing is. How can i disable the sound from HDMI, just let it go through spdif home theater set.
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QUOTE(firestater @ May 26 2010, 06:14 AM)
Yesterday, i managed to complete my HTPC setup.
p7h55m-i3-stock hsf(not bad)-2gb ram-1tb ram-powerlogic allegra 500. So evrything working fine, the only thing is. How can i disable the sound from HDMI, just let it go through spdif home theater set.
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What kind of casing? And how much did you spend on your HTPC? If possible, a breakdown on the parts please. Thanks.
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QUOTE(firestater @ May 26 2010, 06:14 AM)
Yesterday, i managed to complete my HTPC setup.
p7h55m-i3-stock hsf(not bad)-2gb ram-1tb ram-powerlogic allegra 500. So evrything working fine, the only thing is. How can i disable the sound from HDMI, just let it go through spdif home theater set.
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set the default playback device to whatever that you want.
if you're on windows 7, right click on the speaker icon on that taskbar -> playback devices -> set the default device playback to something else.
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QUOTE(paskal @ May 26 2010, 05:31 PM)
set the default playback device to whatever that you want.
if you're on windows 7, right click on the speaker icon on that taskbar -> playback devices -> set the default device playback to something else.
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yaaa already put the default to Digital output (spdif) . Will Update the Picture tonight.

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What kind of casing? And how much did you spend on your HTPC? If possible, a breakdown on the parts please. Thanks.
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Just another chaplang casing, powerlogic Allegre 500,
Casing = 125
cpu i3 530 = 400
sbo p7h55-m = 310
ram 2gb x 1 = 180
hdd 1 tb = 260
that all inside my htpc

the accessories
spdif optical cable =40
wireless desktop mk250 =100
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Can the setup above or, h55 IGP be able to bitstream HD codec or 8ch LPCM?
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My humble entry level setup
p7h55m-i3-stock hsf(not bad)-2gb ram-1tb ram-powerlogic allegra 500
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Samsung 40"
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Samsung HT (optical)
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XBMC ( abit headache to personalize) & Boxee (nice online stuff)

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bro, you dare to put your sub so close to your HTPC ar?.. not scared your HDD die fast? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(firestater @ May 28 2010, 11:15 AM)
My humble entry level setup
p7h55m-i3-stock hsf(not bad)-2gb ram-1tb ram-powerlogic allegra 500
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Samsung 40"
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Samsung HT (optical)
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XBMC ( abit headache to personalize) & Boxee (nice online stuff)

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Bro,

where did you get your casing, very nice.

Can share?
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bro, you dare to put your sub so close to your HTPC ar?.. not scared your HDD die fast? tongue.gif
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^ what he said

strongly not adviced to put the HDD that close to the sub.
HDD + strong magnet = not good.
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HDD die fast can replace with new one mar.... it's damn cheap nowadays.... no problem right?? heheh..... tongue.gif
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Bro,

where did you get your casing, very nice.

Can share?
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Wa LAo Weiiiii didn't realize about that.....
how to check the magnetic field ? is it that strong?
no other place to put the cpu to make it tidy.

QUOTE(twtang @ May 28 2010, 02:13 PM)
Bro,

where did you get your casing, very nice.

Can share?
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dude it's just a chaplang casing,Powerlogic Allegra 500 , bought it at PC Depot. After so hard trying to get this CM360 Elite, so i end up with this Allegra.


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QUOTE(valtai30 @ May 28 2010, 02:52 PM)
HDD die fast can replace with new one mar.... it's damn cheap nowadays.... no problem right?? heheh..... tongue.gif
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hdd sure no prob, RMA or get a new one... the data inside ..... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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hdd sure no prob, RMA or get a new one... the data inside .....  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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precisely.
got one of my 1.5TB stopped working on me.
HDD is cheap, but the content in it will take months to fill back.

thankfully the SMART monitoring warned me about possible failure a few days before the HDD stopped working completely. managed to copy all but 1 movie to another hdd. smile.gif
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good.. i need 6 of them in 1.5TB sizes.
should cost a few hundred k's biggrin.gif
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good.. i need 6 of them in 1.5TB sizes.
should cost a few hundred k's biggrin.gif
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still affordable wat?? but why use SSD for data storage?? SSD won't spoilt meh? tongue.gif
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i alredi got htpc but want upgrade sound...hd5850 with 32" LCD

if budget 1,500 buy htib better or separate avr + speaker...what is good within my budget >.<

so if i get htib like sony can just connect htpc --(hdmi)--> tv ---(hdmi)--->htib? just easy like that arr??
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hi ppl how do i get HD sounds from my htpc to my speakers?

which soundcards ? and what are the wires/connection i use to my speakers, to get hd sounds?

and may i know what is a avr? do i need a avr to achieve HD sound?
my speakers are razer macko

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got newb question, which is better? to copy my dvd movie to iso file in hdd (used software to mount when seeing movie) or shud i rip it to avi or mpgs?
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Hi Guys,

just bought the 4 bay hotway casing. Having prob getting all hdds detected via esata. using gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H. running on win7.

any ideas? manual says support port multiplier. but wonder why cant detect the hdds in the hotway casing. USB is fine.

Updated ahci drivers etc. doesnt seem to work still.


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QUOTE(firestater @ May 28 2010, 11:15 AM)
My humble entry level setup
p7h55m-i3-stock hsf(not bad)-2gb ram-1tb ram-powerlogic allegra 500
+
Samsung 40"
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Samsung HT (optical)
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XBMC ( abit headache to personalize) & Boxee (nice online stuff)

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Nice !! thumbup.gif

How about putting your surround speaker behind the sofa? If not, wasted the surround system ler
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ May 29 2010, 06:58 PM)
got newb question, which is better? to copy my dvd movie to iso file in hdd (used software to mount when seeing movie) or shud i rip it to avi or mpgs?
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Eng Tat, so far, the easiest is to rib into good quality Iso file, but space consuming.

Alternatively you can convert it into Mkv file, with proper softwares, you can exclude foreign audio tracks and foreign subtitles. You may also change the audio into lossless Flac file and incorporated into mkv file too. But expect the Mkv file to also be space consuming.

I tried myself by using recommended technique etc.. but failed to convert it into lossless flac.

To make life easy, just go to www.makemkv.com, download the beta, and try the fast and easy one click conversion, but you cannot deselect the unwanted audio tracks and subtitles.


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QUOTE(temppei @ Jun 3 2010, 01:49 PM)
Hi Guys,

just bought the 4 bay hotway casing. Having prob getting all hdds detected via esata. using gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H. running on win7.

any ideas? manual says support port multiplier. but wonder why cant detect the hdds in the hotway casing. USB is fine.

Updated ahci drivers etc. doesnt seem to work still.
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Temppei, I am looking at the casing too. Keen to find out how you solve the problem with this Mobo. My Mobo is the same as yours, and currently also running into drive space problem.

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hi peter,

it's a nice casing, good built, very functional, lots of notification, etc. fan is quiet at low speed.
i'm hunting high and low for a solution. still cant find one. Esata speed with this unit is fast. i can get constant around 90 - 100m. looks nice and it's not big. rather heavy for a case, coz of the alluminium case.


good buy smile.gif .. if can get the esata to work with multiple hdds.
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Hi Guys,

just bought the 4 bay hotway casing. Having prob getting all hdds detected via esata. using gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H. running on win7.

any ideas? manual says support port multiplier. but wonder why cant detect the hdds in the hotway casing. USB is fine.

Updated ahci drivers etc. doesnt seem to work still.
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how much did you bought the hotway 4 bay casing for?
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temppei,

From some search, it seems tht you may want to enable AHCI in Window 7 in order for the cpu to auto-detect the eSata drive:

It was mentioned in this forum i just found: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616292

And here's how to enable it in Win 7: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/61869...ista.html?ltr=A

Tell us how it works after you tried. smile.gif


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Nice !!  thumbup.gif

How about putting your surround speaker behind the sofa? If not, wasted the surround system ler
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Hi Paskal,

got it from one of the big seller in lyn, delivered to my office. good service smile.gif.

hi Peter,

thanks for the link. I've tried, AHCI is enabled. and even from the bootup before windows it's detecting one hdd only. so i'd say it's not a prob in windows. Updated to the latest bios F11. seems to be the same. Initially i had probs detecting one hdd as well, but after updating the ahci driver frm AMD website, it worked. but only 1 hdd. the rest just stucks there.

probably the mobo doesnt support port multiplier.
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My humble entry level setup
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Wah...so nice set up for a small place and tidy to:clap:. Will be my reference for my home setup.


Added on June 5, 2010, 10:30 amSorry to ask, what is the total damage for the wood panel on you wall? Look neat.

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Wah...so nice set up for a small place and tidy to:clap:. Will be my reference for my home setup.


Added on June 5, 2010, 10:30 amSorry to ask, what is the total damage for the wood panel on you wall? Look neat.
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temppei, after reading through some stuff, have you contemplate getting a separate eSata outlet PCIe card that can recognise port multiplier replacing the default Mobo eSata? I have read that such PCI card does not cost that much, probably less than 50?
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Hi Guys,

just bought the 4 bay hotway casing. Having prob getting all hdds detected via esata. using gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H. running on win7.

any ideas? manual says support port multiplier. but wonder why cant detect the hdds in the hotway casing. USB is fine.

Updated ahci drivers etc. doesnt seem to work still.
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nothing wrong with yr mobo, u need a esata host card that supports multiplier ports, i saw a forumer is selling it (sunix brand)


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QUOTE(peter32 @ Jun 6 2010, 12:10 PM)
temppei, after reading through some stuff, have you contemplate getting a separate eSata outlet PCIe card that can recognise port multiplier replacing the default Mobo eSata?  I have read that such PCI card does not cost that much, probably less than 50?
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rm50? what brand? should be around rm150 if not mistaken

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nothing wrong with yr mobo, u need a esata host card that supports multiplier ports, i saw a forumer is selling it (sunix brand)


Added on June 6, 2010, 2:05 pm
rm50? what brand? should be around rm150 if not mistaken
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hoho.. this is the reason i prefer to go with integrated sata in the mobo.
RM350 for the case
then another RM150 for the sata card? sweat.gif

the gigabyte h55m-usb3 costs RM400 and it has 8 sata ports, 12 usb port, usb 3.0 and it does bitstreaming too
but even if you guys still wanna go with a sata card, you might wanna try it at the shop. i've seen a lot of adapters don't work with some particular mainboard.
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hoho.. this is the reason i prefer to go with integrated sata in the mobo.
RM350 for the case
then another RM150 for the sata card? sweat.gif

the gigabyte h55m-usb3 costs RM400 and it has 8 sata ports, 12 usb port, usb 3.0 and it does bitstreaming too
but even if you guys still wanna go with a sata card, you might wanna try it at the shop. i've seen a lot of adapters don't work with some particular mainboard.
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what mobo & model do u use? does it able to connect multiple external sata hdd with 1-esata port?
he is talking about to link 4-external sata hdd (frm enclosure) via 1-esata port at PC
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guys, im totally noob on this audio setup. The problem is when im watching movie, the voices are to soft, when i increase it, the sound effect become more louder . So a bit hassle to me everytime the chit chat2 part i need to increase the volume then when it go boom boom boom i need to lower it down back..
My Q is there any way to balance it.
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QUOTE(Heihachi777 @ Jun 6 2010, 04:49 PM)
what mobo & model do u use? does it able to connect multiple external sata hdd with 1-esata port?
he is talking about to link 4-external sata hdd (frm enclosure) via 1-esata port at PC
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i'm running an old core2 duo gigabyte board with 4 sata port. with an RM25 3 port sata card.
6 hdd all internal and 1 of those sata port converted to esata.

never bought an external casing so no testing could be done. at RM350 a piece, i'd rather get another 1.5TB HDD biggrin.gif
i'm just saying it's not a cost effective solution to go with the 4 port bay if you have to get another RM150 sata card to go with it..

just an opinion though


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QUOTE(firestater @ Jun 6 2010, 07:13 PM)
guys, im totally noob on this audio setup. The problem is when im watching movie, the voices are to soft, when i increase it, the sound effect become more louder . So a bit hassle to me everytime the chit chat2 part i need to increase the volume then when it go boom boom boom i need to lower it down back..
My Q is there any way to balance it.
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lower just the centre channel volume (if you're running analog output from the soundcard to the speakers)
or if you're running a 2.1 speaker (or 2.0), tweak the centre level using klite audio decoder under the volume section

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hi heihachi,
thinking of getting one of those esata off the shelf, saw one in web for rm60 tht supports port multiplier, but heck wont know if it works or not as well.

my fren got it working with his gigabyte board running on xp. he said he tried for hours and finally it worked, different board but still on amd chipset but prolly the esata controller is different. just trying my luck smile.gif heh..

hi paskal,
i get ur drift smile.gif.. but i'm running my system in my living, off a htpc casing, so i have limited space and i do not want a toasty system with fans spinning at high rpms. Need to be quiet and efficient in power as well. i bought that coz it saves space, it's small and it runs on one power adapter for 4 hdds! imagine if i were to add and add externals ... will eventually have 4 power adapters.

i have plenty of sata ports and usb ports as well. but so far tested all doesnt work with my hdd casing. doesnt detect more than 1 hdd chained together.


Added on June 6, 2010, 11:31 pmpeter,
i saw it for rm68 in lelong.com. i think the seller sells it here as well. problem is i cant confirm if it works or not. no experience .. haha

i dont mind getting one, been getting eye bags over this, wasting my time testing all sorts of drivers etc.

really man, if u need space saving casing, which hav good built quality, i think this is the best buy for now.

it's so neat on my tv rack now just next to my center speaker, about the same height as well.

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I am thinking of getting some solution too, but more inclined to get a dedicated NAS for home server type of thing. I am just about to move to a new place, which comes with in-wall network cables installed. So a gigabyte switch is probably an option.

One advantage is to reduce fan noise in front of the TV. Its just too annoying.

But to cut cost perhaps the hotway maybe a good idea too, likely to be with raid control.
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Hi folks,

I have been reading a lot about HTPC here and at avsforum. I am in need of a desktop PC mainly for HTPC, occasional Lightroom & CS3, odd gaming (not hardcore). I am a photography enthusiast, just bought me a Canon 7D, and my 2 yr old Macbook just don't cut it anymore due to the large 18MP! file size (my wife won't lend me her Vaio). Currently using PS3 as media player with USB external drives connected to Airport Extreme and my Macbook as the server (wired gigabit). Due to my photography requirement, I have selected the following build spec for the HTPC:
Intel i5 750 - RM655
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Kingston DDR3-1333 3x2GB - RM504
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1TB Samsung HDD - RM250
CM 500W Silent Pro - RM329
Hyper 212 Plus - RM109
CM USP 100 Casing - RM179
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Total: RM3301 (my budget excluding monitor is RM3000 but not a problem). I will buy a monitor separately.
I went over to DELL website and customise its Studio XPS 8100 to match the above spec (only difference is PSU and casing) it came out RM3200. Should I skip all the headache and just buy the XPS? I'm worried about noise from the xps. In the end the HTPC will be connected to my 40" LCD TV AND a LCD monitor. I will do photo editing using the LCD monitor instead of the TV. I'm not interested too much in audio as I don't have a home theater system. Thanks for your input.
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Hi Peter,
The casing is quiet at low fan speed. the only irk i hav with the casing is the front door, keeps coming out. It is really fast connected to esata on the gigabyte board, getting 90 - 120 on average.
tried on an asus board wasnt as fast smile.gif


Added on June 7, 2010, 11:12 amHi Hairycrab,

most of the pcs in my offices is Dell. and they are pretty silent. but is it going to match ur interior in ur living?

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@temppei , do let us know if the card works on hotway 4-bays , all the best
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Hi to all the sifus here.

just a quick question. I have a old pc running on dual core with Geforce 8600 graphic card. It had the DVI-I dual output. Can i just buy a DVI->HDMI adapter and connect to a new 40inch LCD TV with HDMI cable? Will it perform 1080 format perfectly like those HDMI output PC?

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hi guys can give me suggestion
i already bought this item long time ago but not use it
right now thinking to build it again.
here my setup.

CPU - AMD BE dual core
MOBO - ASUS mAtx old model not remeber got hdmi output
RAM - 2gb
HDD - ES Seagate 1tb
S/C - Auzentech prelude
DTS - Creative DDTS 100
Speaker - Creative s750 (maybe wanna by other) Pioneer set

My concern is wanna to get the wireless set Pioneer if bdgt enough
if not mistaken Pioneer already get theh decoder.
so should i still use the DDTS100.

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question...
with pentium D, not sure which model, can i just get a pcie graphic card that can enable me to play 1080p mkv?
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QUOTE(xsi @ Jun 10 2010, 09:20 PM)
question...
with pentium D, not sure which model, can i just get a pcie graphic card that can enable me to play 1080p mkv?
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Pls refer to the Article below :-

http://www.guru3d.com/article/accelerate-x...-the-gpu-guide/

It will offload all the processing to a GPU...


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QUOTE(stan001 @ Jun 10 2010, 11:52 PM)
Pls refer to the Article below :-

http://www.guru3d.com/article/accelerate-x...-the-gpu-guide/

It will offload all the processing to a GPU...
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But will definitely read it...
Thanks for the link bro... rclxms.gif
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sure it can,my pentium d also with nvidia gtx240 1080p sure no prob

for best result,get nvidia with pure video hd vp4 coz it for lower cpu

gtx210,gtx220,gtx240,gtx470 and gtx480 only have it.
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thanks for the reply...
what about ATI cards, will the 5000 series works?
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Today finally managed to finish my HTPC setup on core i5.. laugh.gif


Overall ...
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Today finally managed to finish my HTPC setup on icore5..  laugh.gif
Overall ...
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nice touch screen set up, cheaper solution than a dedicated media server system rclxms.gif

btw, if the plaque can put a small spot light focus on it would be better
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ooo.. I dig the dual screen, one next to you on the sofa setup... how long is the cable (RGB or DVI?) that you use?
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QUOTE(azxel @ Jun 12 2010, 02:51 PM)
ooo.. I dig the dual screen, one next to you on the sofa setup... how long is the cable (RGB or DVI?) that you use?
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Im using RGB/VGA cable for the seconday 21.5" Dell LCD.. Having issue when using DVI Cable and HDMI output to clone both screen 1080P..
5 metres cable i used but still not long enough ...
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QUOTE(accs_centre @ Jun 12 2010, 08:04 PM)
Im using RGB/VGA cable for the seconday 21.5" Dell LCD.. Having issue when using DVI Cable and HDMI output to clone both screen 1080P..
5 metres cable i used but still not long enough ...
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wat's the prob with dvi and hdmi dual screen?
cannot run both 1080p at the same time?


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wat's the prob with dvi and hdmi dual screen?
cannot run both 1080p at the same time?
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System become crash when playing blu-ray if clone with dvi and HDMi..
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System become crash when playing blu-ray if clone with dvi and HDMi..
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Win 7 right?
Patched?

Graphic driver problem perhaps?

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Not too sure..
But i also tested it on my desktop pc on clone screen..Same issue.. I think most probably is HDCP issue cannot clone screen on blu-ray playing.. Extended display is alright.. Anyway, still satisfied with RGB cable connection and the secondary clone screen im not always on it also..
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Not too sure..
But i also tested it on my desktop pc on clone screen..Same issue.. I think most probably is HDCP issue cannot clone screen on blu-ray playing.. Extended display is alright.. Anyway, still satisfied with RGB cable connection and the secondary clone screen im not always on it also..
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if you set your Dell Touch screen monitor as secondary, touch function still work?
izzizt the requirement as primary display is not necessary? in order to get the touch screen work?
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QUOTE(accs_centre @ Jun 12 2010, 12:37 AM)
Today finally managed to finish my HTPC setup on core i5..  laugh.gif
Overall ...

Intel Core i5 650
Gigabyte H55M-USB3 MoBo
4GB Kingston DDR3 1333 RAM
Intel X25-V 40GB SSD for OS
WD Caviar Green 640GB HDD
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Hauppauge 150 MCE TV Tuner card
Antec Fusion HTPC Case
Samsung 46" LCD TV C530
Dell SX2210T LCD Monitor
Microsoft Arc Mouse
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Hi bro, where did you buy the Antec Fusion casing? Which PSU are you using?
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QUOTE(djlah @ Jun 14 2010, 10:09 AM)
if you set your Dell Touch screen monitor as secondary, touch function still work?
izzizt the requirement as primary display is not necessary? in order to get the touch screen work?
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It is working.. Dont worry smile.gif

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Hi bro, where did you buy the Antec Fusion casing? Which PSU are you using?
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From Singapore.. The PSU is bundle one.. Antec as well
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Hmm... got any smaller Touch Screens ah?
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How on earth did u get the DTS picture thing on your wall..

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Today finally managed to finish my HTPC setup on core i5..  laugh.gif
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From Singapore.. The PSU is bundle one.. Antec as well
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Hmm... got any smaller Touch Screens ah?
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There are.. But i cant use smaller screen as i believe Clone screen needs both same resolution display..

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How on earth did u get the DTS picture thing on your wall..
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http://www.designbybond.se
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I see, thanks.Sigh.. why all the good stuffs always in SG first.
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I notice that ATI HD 5000 series now support 3D stereoscopic display/glasses.
But don't know what type of 3D glasses can be used.
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new Mac Mini now with HDMI ports...!! biggrin.gif

just canceled my Dell Zino HD order...

dang Dell... my order was on the 1st June, Estimated Delivery was suppose to be 14th June... then on the 14th, they changed it to the 23rd June... taking 23 days to assemble a PC is kinda extreme, eh?

Won't see my buying a Dell from now on, that's for sure.
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QUOTE(azxel @ Jun 15 2010, 06:24 PM)
new Mac Mini now with HDMI ports...!! biggrin.gif

just canceled my Dell Zino HD order...

dang Dell... my order was on the 1st June, Estimated Delivery was suppose to be 14th June... then on the 14th, they changed it to the 23rd June... taking 23 days to assemble a PC is kinda extreme, eh?

Won't see my buying a Dell from now on, that's for sure.
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How muchie? I want to replace my old Mac Mini. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(azxel @ Jun 15 2010, 06:24 PM)
new Mac Mini now with HDMI ports...!! biggrin.gif

just canceled my Dell Zino HD order...

dang Dell... my order was on the 1st June, Estimated Delivery was suppose to be 14th June... then on the 14th, they changed it to the 23rd June... taking 23 days to assemble a PC is kinda extreme, eh?

Won't see my buying a Dell from now on, that's for sure.
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Dell always postpone it date. I buy printer also quiet late. Not sure are they assemble that printer also. doh.gif
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Dell always postpone it date. I buy printer also quiet late. Not sure are they assemble that printer also.  doh.gif
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If you are a return buyer you can ask for special discount. If they screw up delivery like this, just say you want more discount, if not just cancel order.
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How muchie? I want to replace my old Mac Mini. thumbup.gif
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It looks slimmer as well.. pity no i cores yet... think possibly, next upgrade should be an i core...

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Dell always postpone it date. I buy printer also quiet late. Not sure are they assemble that printer also.  doh.gif
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wonder how they do sales...
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guys im having a problem with playing a 1080 movies on my htpc, where the movie like lag. runing 720p movies are fine

my system spec
AMD 5200 AM2
2GB DDR2 ram
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mobo: Asrock A780GM-LE build in gc and audio (Integrated AMD Radeon HD 3200 n 5.1 CH Windows® Vista™ Premium Level HD Audio )

does my system is good enough to play 1080 files?
im curently runing movies using MediaPOrtal


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QUOTE(Elanges @ Jun 16 2010, 01:00 PM)
guys im having a problem with playing a 1080 movies on my htpc, where the movie like lag. runing 720p movies are fine

my system spec
AMD 5200 AM2
2GB DDR2 ram
1TB hdd
mobo: Asrock A780GM-LE build in gc and audio (Integrated AMD Radeon HD 3200 n 5.1 CH Windows® Vista™ Premium Level HD Audio )

does my system is good enough to play 1080 files? 
im curently runing movies using MediaPOrtal
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AFAIK, the HD3200 could do some hardware accelerataion. try and search around on how to enable it.
for the time being, try and use media player classic paired with corecodec coreavc decoder. that should be the fastest software decoder. try and use that and see if it still lags
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HD 3200 should do DVXA , it should able to offload and process 1080p without any problems. MediaPortal uses the CPU to do progressing and it has a crappy decoder. Try with MPC Home Cinema !
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QUOTE(Elanges @ Jun 16 2010, 01:00 PM)
guys im having a problem with playing a 1080 movies on my htpc, where the movie like lag. runing 720p movies are fine

my system spec
AMD 5200 AM2
2GB DDR2 ram
1TB hdd
mobo: Asrock A780GM-LE build in gc and audio (Integrated AMD Radeon HD 3200 n 5.1 CH Windows® Vista™ Premium Level HD Audio )

does my system is good enough to play 1080 files? 
im curently runing movies using MediaPOrtal
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Maybe u should consider to get discreet graphic card that more powerful to process 1080p.
ATI 5000 series or Nvidia GT2 (with PureVideo HD) are great for 1080p movies.
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how much can cost? isit lowprofile ? cos i use mini case
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how much can cost?  isit lowprofile ? cos i use mini case
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I buy ATI HD 5570 Low Profile at RM300. This radeon can bitstream HD audio and low power consumption.
But GT2 is more cheaper than that.
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I buy ATI HD 5570 Low Profile at RM300. This radeon can bitstream HD audio and low power consumption.
But GT2 is more cheaper than that.
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i'd rather exhaust all my options before jumping for an upgrade.
try the media player classic home cinema (mpc-hc) either with or without coreavc to see whether the problem is from the mediaportal or from hardware speed.
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amd 5200 with a bit of OC juice can run compressed 1080 AVC / MP4 no problem.


but if you're talking about uncompressed MPEG or AVC (BD ISO) then I remember on AVS forums they recommended AMD 6000+ (again, with OC you should reach 3.0Ghz).

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QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 16 2010, 06:01 PM)
i'd rather exhaust all my options before jumping for an upgrade.
try the media player classic home cinema (mpc-hc) either with or without coreavc to see whether the problem is from the mediaportal or from hardware speed.
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Hi, am running 5200+ with 780g mobo (onboard HD3200 gpu); I've no problem with MPC-HC with DXVA enabled for 1080p material, just fyi. You can have the DXVA acceleration in MPC-HC easily.

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Hi, am running 5200+ with 780g mobo (onboard HD3200 gpu); I've no problem with MPC-HC with DXVA enabled for 1080p material, just fyi. You can have the DXVA acceleration in MPC-HC easily.

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i guess you're quoting the wrong person.
ain't me running the AMD platform biggrin.gif
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THANKS guys, guess i will try use MPC first and see , previously i use coreavc and have this lag problem, and some1 advice me to uninstall it but still have the same issue. this DXVA isit suported by MPC-HC only? the reason why im sticking with mediaportal is because of the interface, easy me to watch movie/series/anime or music.
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is it advisable to use Mac Mini as htpc + dinovo keybd
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is it advisable to use Mac Mini as htpc + dinovo keybd
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I've seen some do it and planning on having a similar setup... which I think would make my Mede8er kinda obsolete unless I get another TV...
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Hi,

I am new to HTPC too. Just have my HTPC done.

Mobo: MA4785TD-V-EVO
CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 555 BE
RAM: 2GB Kingston
Hdd: Western D Green 1TB
Software to playback: XBMC

Recently when I play back the rmvb movie, very laggy.

Any advise?
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Hi all, just want to ask... media classic HC and KMPlayer, by looking into the VIDEO and Audio, which one better?

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QUOTE(Elanges @ Jun 17 2010, 12:39 PM)
THANKS guys, guess i will try use MPC first and see , previously i use coreavc and have this lag problem, and some1 advice me to uninstall it but still have the same issue. this DXVA isit  suported by MPC-HC only?  the reason why im sticking with mediaportal is because of the interface, easy me to watch movie/series/anime or music.
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See this article below...

How to enable DXVA on MPC-HC..

http://www.guru3d.com/article/accelerate-x...-the-gpu-guide/

A lot of HTPC users also using the AMD 785G mobo and hv no issues watching 1080p with DXVA enabled..

or request the mediaportal developers to support DXVA ( DirectX Video Acceleration ) on their s/w...


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QUOTE(twtang @ Jun 25 2010, 02:25 PM)
Hi,

I am new to HTPC too. Just have my HTPC done.

Mobo: MA4785TD-V-EVO
CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 555 BE
RAM: 2GB Kingston
Hdd: Western D Green 1TB
Software to playback: XBMC

Recently when I play back the rmvb movie, very laggy.

Any advise?
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another question. Which combination is better? I got 2 procs now and thinking to sell it one. But want to know which one is better for htpc.

1) AMD x2 6000+ with ecs a780gm-a and ATI HD 4830
2) AMD x3 8650 with ecs a780gm-a and ATI HD 4830
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another question. Which combination is better? I got 2 procs now and thinking to sell it one. But want to know which one is better for htpc.

1) AMD x2 6000+ with ecs a780gm-a and ATI HD 4830
2) AMD x3 8650  with ecs a780gm-a and ATI HD 4830
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Yoh ... i think remote is a big issue man ... does anyone know where to get a compatable xmbc remote control?
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Yoh ... i think remote is a big issue man ... does anyone know where to get a compatable xmbc remote control?
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Try this:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=896317&hl=
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bump up this... hope someone can provide me the better answers...
Which combo is better performance for decode Full HD movie??

1) AMD x2 6000+ with ecs a780gm-a and ATI HD 4830
2) AMD x3 8650 with ecs a780gm-a and ATI HD 4830

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What do you all think with these hardware can play 1080P smoothly ?? Cos, I plan going to buy HIS HD 3850 512MB (256bit) GDDR3 AGP for my old P4. It's worth for me to do like this ?? thz


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QUOTE(little_orc @ Jun 28 2010, 08:03 PM)
bump up this... hope someone can provide me the better answers...
Which combo is better performance for decode Full HD movie??

1) AMD x2 6000+ with ecs a780gm-a and ATI HD 4830
2) AMD x3 8650 with ecs a780gm-a and ATI HD 4830
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No.2 since u r asking which one is better rather than which one is capable..
IMHO, buying HTPC is different than buying a gaming rig, jus buy those spec which is capable rather than going very highend ones.

QUOTE(lwk523 @ Jun 28 2010, 11:45 PM)
P4 3.0, 2GB, AGP 3850
What do you all think with these hardware can play 1080P smoothly ?? Cos, I plan going to buy HIS HD 3850 512MB (256bit) GDDR3 AGP for my old P4. It's worth for me to do like this ?? thz
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yeap, it can play 1080p smoothly by adding the GC..
but how reliable is it? i mean the P4 and its MOBO.. it is very hard (expensive) to find replacement in the future if somehting goes wrong..
rather than spending a lot on this GC (i assume AGP is more expensive), y not u get sum c2d 2nd hand proc and mobo which is sumhow prove to be more viable in a long run?
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No.2 since u r asking which one is better rather than which one is capable..
IMHO, buying HTPC is different than buying a gaming rig, jus buy those spec which is capable rather than going very highend ones.
yeap, it can play 1080p smoothly by adding the GC..
but how reliable is it? i mean the P4 and its MOBO.. it is very hard (expensive) to find replacement in the future if somehting goes wrong..
rather than spending a lot on this GC (i assume AGP is more expensive), y not u get sum c2d 2nd hand proc and mobo which is sumhow prove to be more viable in a long run?
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Ya, you are right .. I also think if something goes wrong .. it's really waste my money to buy that display card .. if I just upgrade just cost me around RM400 But, I going to buy a used c2d CPU need around RM1k lolx doh.gif ...For sure c2d have last longer than old p4.... Dunno what to do now ... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(lwk523 @ Jun 29 2010, 11:02 PM)
Ya, you are right .. I also think if something goes wrong .. it's really waste my money to buy that display card .. if I just upgrade just cost me around RM400  But, I going to buy a used c2d CPU need around RM1k lolx doh.gif  ...For sure c2d have last longer than old p4.... Dunno what to do now ... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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get h55 mobo+core i3 problem solve thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(lwk523 @ Jun 29 2010, 11:02 PM)
Ya, you are right .. I also think if something goes wrong .. it's really waste my money to buy that display card .. if I just upgrade just cost me around RM400  But, I going to buy a used c2d CPU need around RM1k lolx doh.gif  ...For sure c2d have last longer than old p4.... Dunno what to do now ... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Depend on how much you budget and how much u use the HTPC, of coz a new graphic card + P4 is cheaper but not viable in the long run cause P4 parts are quite rare and those 2nd hand shop gonna samurai you unless you buy from lyn members doh.gif .

C2D is gonna phase out soon also. So if your planning to spend 1k might as well go for i3 + H55 MB which already proven to be able to support all format playback. Exact how much i don't really know but i think you can check how much is it easily. But i think if your buying i3 + H55 MB i think you have to get the RAM also so budget might go overboard rclxub.gif .


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QUOTE(lwk523 @ Jun 29 2010, 11:02 PM)
Ya, you are right .. I also think if something goes wrong .. it's really waste my money to buy that display card .. if I just upgrade just cost me around RM400  But, I going to buy a used c2d CPU need around RM1k lolx doh.gif  ...For sure c2d have last longer than old p4.... Dunno what to do now ... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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i sugguest u to go for socket am2+ CPU.. value for money...
scout around for 2nd hand.. cpu + mobo i think can get below 400.. 780chipset is ok d.. better still get 785...
and sell ur old p4 and mobo.. if u r lucky enuf.. u can upgrade by topping up a bit
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get h55 mobo+core i3 problem solve  thumbup.gif
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h55 mobo isn't without its' weaknesses.
for one, max on the market only has 7 SATA ports (gigabyte h55m-usb3)

some of the older c2d mobo have 10 SATA ports. lots of ports are necessary important for HTPC cum media server.
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h55 mobo isn't without its' weaknesses.
for one, max on the market only has 7 SATA ports (gigabyte h55m-usb3)

some of the older c2d mobo have 10 SATA ports. lots of ports are necessary important for HTPC cum media server.
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Depend on personal preferences. I think, HTPC only need 1-2 only HDD and the rest connected with NAS or another pc for storage.
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Depend on personal preferences. I think, HTPC only need 1-2 only HDD and the rest connected with NAS or another pc for storage.
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I only have one 320GB HDD (on my newly purchased Mac Mini!).. the rest are Externals connected via USB, Firewire and NAS.
Think I wanna look into one of those Routers with USB ports at the back for storage devices then get one of those casing that can store up to 5 HDDs...
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QUOTE(azxel @ Jun 30 2010, 10:05 AM)
I only have one 320GB HDD (on my newly purchased Mac Mini!).. the rest are Externals connected via USB, Firewire and NAS.
Think I wanna look into one of those Routers with USB ports at the back for storage devices then get one of those casing that can store up to 5 HDDs...
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hi azxel,
Would you mind to share ur Mac Mini setup? I've few questions as belows and appreciate if you can enlighten:

- The HDMI can't carry lossless, but can it carry the lossy Dolby & DTS? What about LPCM?
- What front end you runs? XBMC, Mediaportal? Does the hardware acceleration works properly?
- Would it be ok if it's leave running 24/7 as a torrent server as far as the heat concerns?

Cheers
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Depend on personal preferences. I think, HTPC only need 1-2 only HDD and the rest connected with NAS or another pc for storage.
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then the cost will rapidly rise taking into consideration the price for another pc for storage or another set of NAS for storage.
NAS/storage server ain't cheap. i'd rather go with one solution that caters for both media and storage. cheaper in the long run.

i'm using a silverstone htpc case that fits 6 hdd (8 hdd after a simple mod) and another 3 on the dual 5.25" bay. so a total of 11 hdd could be stacked in there. currently using an extra mini itx board with 4 sata port and a 2 port sata pci card.

now in the process of upgrading the mainboard to another model with 10 sata port for a cost of RM250.
2 port pci sata card is only RM25.
4 port pci sata card is only RM85.

whereas a 4 hdd external case is RM355.
4 port NAS i think is close to RM1k more than RM500
2 HDD could only fit in about 150 1080p movies. not enough for someone with a large collection biggrin.gif
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So far I found cheapest 2 bay nas is less than rm400. What are the cheapest 4 bay nas u guys can find? IMHO, nas is the way to go if u have more than 1 pc.
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So far I found cheapest 2 bay nas is less than rm400. What are the cheapest 4 bay nas u guys can find? IMHO, nas is the way to go if u have more than 1 pc.
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I think the cheapest should be DIY NAS. I found a quite informative place where ppl DIY their own NAS.

Pro: You get to customise your own NAS icon_idea.gif
Bring ur old pc system back to life flex.gif

Cons: Computer knowledge must be adequate and willing to get ur hands dirty whistling.gif
Might overbudget when going on a buying spree rclxub.gif

Link: http://www.diynas.com/category/hardware/complete-systems/
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QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 30 2010, 10:53 AM)
then the cost will rapidly rise taking into consideration the price for another pc for storage or another set of NAS for storage.
NAS/storage server ain't cheap. i'd rather go with one solution that caters for both media and storage. cheaper in the long run.

i'm using a silverstone htpc case that fits 6 hdd (8 hdd after a simple mod) and another 3 on the dual 5.25" bay. so a total of 11 hdd could be stacked in there. currently using an extra mini itx board with 4 sata port and a 2 port sata pci card.

now in the process of upgrading the mainboard to another model with 10 sata port for a cost of RM250.
2 port pci sata card is only RM25.
4 port pci sata card is only RM85.

whereas a 4 hdd external case is RM355.
4 port NAS i think is close to RM1k more than RM500
2 HDD could only fit in about 150 1080p movies. not enough for someone with a large collection  biggrin.gif
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8 hdd? shocking.gif You really have a large collection.

In your case, your solution is more cost efficient. If you buy NAS, it can easily reach thousands.

But if you have more than 2 pcs and have smaller collection, NAS or dedicated media server is much better. I prefer to build up low power pc as a media server than buying a NAS. PC can be easily and cheaper solution for future upgrade.

Currently, I still use only 2 HDD, so one HTPC is enough.
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QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 30 2010, 10:53 AM)
then the cost will rapidly rise taking into consideration the price for another pc for storage or another set of NAS for storage.
NAS/storage server ain't cheap. i'd rather go with one solution that caters for both media and storage. cheaper in the long run.

i'm using a silverstone htpc case that fits 6 hdd (8 hdd after a simple mod) and another 3 on the dual 5.25" bay. so a total of 11 hdd could be stacked in there. currently using an extra mini itx board with 4 sata port and a 2 port sata pci card.

now in the process of upgrading the mainboard to another model with 10 sata port for a cost of RM250.
2 port pci sata card is only RM25.
4 port pci sata card is only RM85.

whereas a 4 hdd external case is RM355.
4 port NAS i think is close to RM1k more than RM500
2 HDD could only fit in about 150 1080p movies. not enough for someone with a large collection  biggrin.gif
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I was also contemplating this option like you. But one thing we should consider is the heat generated when you turn on the computer. I did not know how hot it was until one day I hold the active hardisk in my hand after just a half an hour job, it was HOT.

As you can imagine, if you put 4-6 hardisk drives together actively, it will easily push the temperature limit of the full HTPC. That will translate into cooling problem if you leave the unit on for a long time, PLUS doing all the necessary processing at the same time.

If you install too many fan, it will be very noisy too.

Thats the problem.
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I was also contemplating this option like you. But one thing we should consider is the heat generated when you turn on the computer.  I did not know how hot it was until one day I hold the active hardisk in my hand after just a half an hour job, it was HOT.

As you can imagine, if you put 4-6 hardisk drives together actively, it will easily push the temperature limit of the full HTPC.  That will translate into cooling problem if you leave the unit on for a long time, PLUS doing all the necessary processing at the same time. 

If you install too many fan, it will be very noisy too.

Thats the problem.
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not necessarily. i run windows 7 on my htpc. well on all my desktops and laptops, and by default, it turns off any unused hdd after 20 minutes.
and judging from memory, it works better than the same settings on windows xp. xp have a habit of not turning off unused drive even when you tell it to. xp randomly access hdd for god knows why.

unused drive will take around 5 second to spin back to life after being turned off. happens a lot after i finish watching a movie and searching for the next to watch.
off-ed drive is only a tad warm to the touch. and that's without any fan blowing to the hdd.

for htpc use, i really suggest not going the 7200rpm route as those blazing drive generates lots of heat. all my drive are the slow, 5400rpm ones. generates considerably less heat than 7200rpm drives.
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QUOTE(creed @ Jun 30 2010, 10:39 AM)
hi azxel,
Would you mind to share ur Mac Mini setup? I've few questions as belows and appreciate if you can enlighten:

- The HDMI can't carry lossless, but can it carry the lossy Dolby & DTS? What about LPCM?
- What front end you runs? XBMC, Mediaportal? Does the hardware acceleration works properly?
- Would it be ok if it's leave running 24/7 as a torrent server as far as the heat concerns?

Cheers
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Hey bro...

here's what it looks like at my place.. or rather room.. hehe (attachment below)

- HDMI Lossless or DTS or Dolby Digital. I can't test it out yet 'cos I haven't bought my Yamaha AVR yet sad.gif
a. DTS or Dolby Digital also can't test out via the audio out port because I can't find the cable here in Penang (yet).
b. Currently only getting Stereo as the HDMI --> LCD TV --> RCA (red and white) to the current Pioneer HTIB system.
c. I share one Optical between the PS3 and Mede8er to the Pioneer HTIB.

- Sorta using Plex currently.. have yet to test out the 2 you mentioned and Boxee.. but in reality I actually use VLC laugh.gif (making my bloody remote kinda useless)
a. I'm still kinda using my Mede8er to watch movies because everything is in it. TV series is in a external HDD but I still use the Mede8er.
b. Just started fiddling around with Plex and I think it looks ok.. yet to try out the NAS capabilities and performance yet though.
c. Hardware acceleration works or not? Not sure what you mean but using Plex and VLC to play SD quality TV series, they look much crispier compared to my Mede8er... weird... 720p (I only got Spartacus so I tested it out) seems more crispier as well. On the Mede8er it looks a bit softer... on the Mac Mini it looks sharper.

- So far that's what I've been doing.. but it has only been a few days.
a. First few days, I had a fan blow it. OK.. not hot..
b. After that I tried out with the fan blowing the room (more towards my Belkin Wifi Router Modem) instead of the Mac Mini. A bit hot...
c. Then I tried out no fan, just leave the windows and door open for ventilation. Temp seems ok (I forgot how much) but the unit doesn't feel hot, just slightly warm.

My thoughts for New Mac Mini as a HTPC cum Torrent Server.
- Trying out different Torrent apps down to Vuze and uTorrent but will stop Vuze soon because it uses more processing power, compared to uTorrent. (Tried out Transmission but the bar is not moving)
- Wanna see how much electricity I save because previously I use my Windows 7 Desktop PC to torrent and it's never turned off and the bill is killing me...
- WiFi via Airport seems buggy... Dunno whether is the Belkin or Airport... Internet connection keeps on disconnecting so I went back to using ethernet but will try Airport again next week


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QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 30 2010, 10:53 AM)
then the cost will rapidly rise taking into consideration the price for another pc for storage or another set of NAS for storage.
NAS/storage server ain't cheap. i'd rather go with one solution that caters for both media and storage. cheaper in the long run.

i'm using a silverstone htpc case that fits 6 hdd (8 hdd after a simple mod) and another 3 on the dual 5.25" bay. so a total of 11 hdd could be stacked in there. currently using an extra mini itx board with 4 sata port and a 2 port sata pci card.

now in the process of upgrading the mainboard to another model with 10 sata port for a cost of RM250.
2 port pci sata card is only RM25.
4 port pci sata card is only RM85.

whereas a 4 hdd external case is RM355.
4 port NAS i think is close to RM1k more than RM500
2 HDD could only fit in about 150 1080p movies. not enough for someone with a large collection  biggrin.gif
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1 question.. does it suck electricity like mad? sweat.gif

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Azxel, I am surprise that your htpc consumes lots of electricity ! Are you sure its entirely due to the pc itself ?

Paskal, thanks for sharing. I did not know that Win 7 can turn off any unused hardisk. I do know that some NAS does have the feature to save power cost and to cool it down.
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Jun 30 2010, 04:59 PM)
Azxel, I am surprise that your htpc consumes lots of electricity !  Are you sure its entirely due to the pc itself ?

Paskal, thanks for sharing.  I did not know that Win 7 can turn off any unused hardisk.  I do know that some NAS does have the feature to save power cost and to cool it down.
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Hi Pete... Frankly speaking.. I'm not quite certain...

PC (not really HTPC) with AMD Athlon with ATi 4850, 2 internal HDDs and 550Watts Power Supply left on 24/7 got my bill up to RM1XX per month..!! sweat.gif Compared to not turned on that for that long (evenings when I'm back home only) is about RM50 per month, sometimes less. This was before I had the aircon...

So, I suspect that it's the PC... not sure what else is causing the big jump in electric bill...

Currently, with the aircon, it is turned on for about less than 12 hours daily with the temp set at 26degrees...
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No joke. I didn't realise the pc can be that consumptive.
Anyway, that may prompt me to pursue more on NAS with atom chipset with another PC that can do occasional processing.

Ps: my office has 2 pc on from 8am to 9.30pm, along with 2 aircon, one 1hp & 1.5hp, set at around 20-22 degree, my bill comes to about RM300+ a month only. Not the mention about 34 fluorescent lights on in the evening !!

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QUOTE(azxel @ Jun 30 2010, 05:06 PM)
Hi Pete... Frankly speaking.. I'm not quite certain...

PC (not really HTPC) with AMD Athlon with ATi 4850, 2 internal HDDs and 550Watts Power Supply left on 24/7 got my bill up to RM1XX per month..!! sweat.gif Compared to not turned on that for that long (evenings when I'm back home only) is about RM50 per month, sometimes less. This was before I had the aircon...

So, I suspect that it's the PC... not sure what else is causing the big jump in electric bill...

Currently, with the aircon, it is turned on for about less than 12 hours daily with the temp set at 26degrees...
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i'd blame it on the aircond, not on the htpc.
my bill is only about RM25-26 per month before this. couple of month goes below RM20 and paid by the gov.
now it's RM250 after airconditioning. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 30 2010, 10:20 PM)
i'd blame it on the aircond, not on the htpc.
my bill is only about RM25-26 per month before this. couple of month goes below RM20 and paid by the gov.
now it's RM250 after airconditioning. biggrin.gif
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If HTPC on 24/7, it will cost a lot based on your our setup. My electrical bill usually cost RM40-50 without air-cond and pc (with washing machine, water heater, fridge etc). But after installing air-cond, my bill jump to RM70-RM80 with 8h-12h daily usage. With my current setup and setting up my windows 7 to sleep most of the time, my bill is slightly increase around RM80 only (with air-cond). This month, I try to on almost 24/7 and now still waiting for electrical bill to see the diff.

Previously, when I on my pc 24/7 for torrent, my bill can easily reach RM80 with my old E8400+HD4650 setup (without air-cond).

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If HTPC on 24/7, it will cost a lot based on your our setup. My electrical bill usually cost RM40-50 without air-cond and pc (with washing machine, water heater, fridge etc). But after installing air-cond, my bill jump to RM70-RM80 with 8h-12h daily usage. With my current setup and setting up my windows 7 to sleep most of the time, my bill is slightly increase around RM80 only (with air-cond). This month, I try to on almost 24/7 and now still waiting for electrical bill to see the diff.

Previously, when I on my pc 24/7 for torrent, my bill can easily reach RM80 with my old E8400+HD4650 setup (without air-cond).
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walauweh only increase 2 times. very good ekon you have biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(paskal @ Jul 1 2010, 12:39 AM)
walauweh only increase 2 times. very good ekon you have biggrin.gif
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May be because I only set not lower than 25. Usually 26.
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Is this remote compatable with XMBC??
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apart from a few not important buttons, everything works out of the box.

but make sure you tick 'remote sends keyboard keypress' (i think) option in the xbmc configuration page
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QUOTE(paskal @ Jul 1 2010, 12:39 AM)
walauweh only increase 2 times. very good ekon you have biggrin.gif
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Dont make conclusion too early.. Wait another bill to see 1st.. As i know, now TNB not every month go to see your metre one.. one month they are doing estimation only if not mistaken..
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Jun 30 2010, 07:22 PM)
No joke.  I didn't realise the pc can be that consumptive. 
Anyway, that may prompt me to pursue more on NAS with atom chipset with another PC that can do occasional processing.

Ps: my office has 2 pc on from 8am to 9.30pm, along with 2 aircon, one 1hp & 1.5hp, set at around 20-22 degree, my bill comes to about RM300+ a month only.  Not the mention about 34 fluorescent lights on in the evening !!
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waaa.. something not right.. your meter.. erm.. *Ahem* isit? brows.gif

QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 30 2010, 10:20 PM)
i'd blame it on the aircond, not on the htpc.
my bill is only about RM25-26 per month before this. couple of month goes below RM20 and paid by the gov.
now it's RM250 after airconditioning. biggrin.gif
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but it was already spiking to RM100 even before the aircon was installed sad.gif

making it a habit from now to turn off every unused plug...
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Hallo brothers. I am new for HTPC. I am thinking to build 1 which is my budget only 1k. Can any1 help to give me the spec?
The htpc using for HD Movie and online. Another question i face is where i can get the HD movie source or i can buy from somewhere.

Thank you
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QUOTE(azxel @ Jul 1 2010, 09:53 AM)
waaa.. something not right.. your meter.. erm.. *Ahem* isit? brows.gif
but it was already spiking to RM100 even before the aircon was installed sad.gif

making it a habit from now to turn off every unused plug...
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Hehehe... no, not yet *ahem*ed. Its a real world rate under business category somemore.
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Hi guys.. care to advise whether Sapphire HD4350 can bitstream HD audio? Saw it for sale at RM 120. Thought of buying it to test out on htpc.
I've checked from the website and it mentioned that it supports Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master. How true is this?
Link to website: http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/p...=000101&pid=210
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Hi guys.. care to advise whether Sapphire HD4350 can bitstream HD audio? Saw it for sale at RM 120. Thought of buying it to test out on htpc.
I've checked from the website and it mentioned that it supports Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master. How true is this?
Link to website: http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/p...=000101&pid=210
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nope. you need a 5 series ATI card. i'm using ATI 5450, the cheapest in the ATI line that could bitstream.
tested and confirmed it can do HD audio bitstreaming to my AVR.

costs RM165 from PCZone (or issit CZone) lowyat. no other shop have them.

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