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post Aug 10 2009, 01:45 PM, updated 16y ago

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Continuation from
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post Aug 10 2009, 02:02 PM

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Why there are 2 threads?

Anyway, congrats for V2 (should rename this thread by adding V2).
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post Aug 10 2009, 02:15 PM

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post Aug 10 2009, 02:21 PM

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post Aug 10 2009, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 10 2009, 02:02 PM)
Why there are 2 threads?

Anyway, congrats for V2 (should rename this thread by adding V2).
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sorry soree
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Added on August 10, 2009, 6:04 pm
QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 10 2009, 10:53 AM)
No wonder nobody answered when I asked about BD Live previously laugh.gif
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You know y, You Memang TERROR la

cos you 1st person to use ma,
no one using since then...... that's y no comment and answer lor, rclxms.gif

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post Aug 10 2009, 11:41 PM

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another day another low cost USD188 BD player.. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 11 2009, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 10 2009, 02:21 PM)
You know y, You Memang TERROR la
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u mean im SCARY or fear/horror/fright/dread/shock/panic/alarm? laugh.gif

QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 10 2009, 11:41 PM)
another day another low cost USD188 BD player..  thumbup.gif
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looks like BD is all the way to go now smile.gif
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post Aug 11 2009, 12:17 AM

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my company just ordered 10 units of bd-rom from hp.... looks like it is getting really cheap... at RM190 per unit whistling.gif
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QUOTE(xrossf1re @ Aug 11 2009, 12:17 AM)
my company just ordered 10 units of bd-rom from hp.... looks like it is getting really cheap... at RM190 per unit whistling.gif
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now can watch Bluray summore at the office brows.gif ... RM 190 dirt cheap...
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"Multimedia" for BD-Live is not accurate. The main thing that makes it different than other features is internet connection. So BD-Live is actually "Online Content".

Some BD-Live contents are worth checking out actually, for example if you have Transformers BD, you can download exclusive footage from the upcoming (at that time) sequel.

But yes, me myself never even tried BD-Live. Most extra features on the disc itself I never even watched yet.
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post Aug 11 2009, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 11 2009, 07:10 AM)
"Multimedia" for BD-Live is not accurate. The main thing that makes it different than other features is internet connection. So BD-Live is actually "Online Content".

Some BD-Live contents are worth checking out actually, for example if you have Transformers BD, you can download exclusive footage from the upcoming (at that time) sequel.

But yes, me myself never even tried BD-Live. Most extra features on the disc itself I never even watched yet.
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soree.... what i meant is BD players that's oso built in with multimedia.... the likes of Dune, Oppo 83 which can play mkv's as well
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 11 2009, 07:30 AM)
soree.... what i meant is BD players that's oso built in with multimedia.... the likes of Dune, Oppo 83 which can play mkv's as well
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Oh alright bro, misunderstood. It's the bracket made me think it's meant as BD-Live. smile.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 11 2009, 12:12 AM)
u mean im SCARY or fear/horror/fright/dread/shock/panic/alarm? laugh.gif
looks like BD is all the way to go now smile.gif
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Meaning Very "Geng" haha haha
you know what i meant la...... no need be ashame... haha haha


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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 11 2009, 07:37 AM)
Oh alright bro, misunderstood. It's the bracket made me think it's meant as BD-Live. smile.gif
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small matter la bro...
Sub heading no more space for extra wordings biggrin.gif
well... we learn from mistakes... how does it look now... biggrin.gif

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While I was delivering BD60s to my customers yesterday, I received a sms from taukeh mpyw. The content was 'Monster Inc. very keng'. Aiks.... time to save up and buy it.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 11 2009, 07:49 AM)
While I was delivering BD60s to my customers yesterday, I received a sms from taukeh mpyw. The content was 'Monster Inc. very keng'. Aiks.... time to save up and buy it.
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Those are plural bro, more and more people adapting to BD. rclxms.gif

And business is going stronger I see. Can't wait for your new project to launch. rclxm9.gif
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Yes, BD60 customers smile.gif

Shall let you guys know about it when it is completely done.
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 11 2009, 07:53 AM)
Those are plural bro, more and more people adapting to BD. rclxms.gif

And business is going stronger I see. Can't wait for your new project to launch. rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 11 2009, 08:05 AM)
Yes, BD60 customers  smile.gif

Shall let you guys know about it when it is completely done.
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what project.... ???
am i missing something here.... Thanks
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QUOTE(xrossf1re @ Aug 11 2009, 12:17 AM)
my company just ordered 10 units of bd-rom from hp.... looks like it is getting really cheap... at RM190 per unit whistling.gif
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Internal or External unit? What's the exact model number? Thanks.
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 11 2009, 08:48 AM)
Internal or External unit? What's the exact model number? Thanks.
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at that price should be internal unit meant for Desktop
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 11 2009, 08:48 AM)
Internal or External unit? What's the exact model number? Thanks.
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UJ100, it is internal for notebook one.... we carry notebooks only in office, no desktop.
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post Aug 11 2009, 10:51 AM

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UJ110 matsushita heard before.. UJ100 not sure..
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Those looking for a BD Player and live in close proximity to Spore can get the JVC XV-BP1 BD Player...Its pretty highly rated.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 11 2009, 07:12 PM)
Those looking for a BD Player and live in close proximity to Spore can get the JVC XV-BP1 BD Player...Its pretty highly rated.
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is this the 1k+model going to launch in Malaysia
(think its the one my dealer fren ask me to wait)

Not Bad eh...can playback Mpeg4 movies from USB biggrin.gif

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post Aug 12 2009, 02:53 AM

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Anybody knows what wifi adapter we can use with BDP RJ45 port?
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 12 2009, 02:53 AM)
Anybody knows what wifi adapter we can use with BDP RJ45 port?
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I think, I read somewhere.
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I think, I read somewhere.
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Pls share if you find it later. Every time I wanna connect to net I have to bring down my wifi router and broadband router from upstairs. Then connect the BDP to one of the LAN port of wifi router. Leceh betul sweat.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 12 2009, 09:21 AM)
Pls share if you find it later. Every time I wanna connect to net I have to bring down my wifi router and broadband router from upstairs. Then connect the BDP to one of the LAN port of wifi router. Leceh betul sweat.gif
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no need ge ma..
just buy a 30m or 50m cable just temporarily hook it with the cables lying around oso can ma.

I'm thinking of doing the same, if i get hold of one BD-life equipped set
well i still can drill holes from my gnd flr room to kitchen then enroute to hall ( looks neat thou )
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 12 2009, 02:53 AM)
Anybody knows what wifi adapter we can use with BDP RJ45 port?
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easiest method would be by using 2 Apple Airport Express's....but if there is such a things as an adapter for the LAN port, I would also like to try that out
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Aztech homeplug will do just fine. Dirt cheap somemore.
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 09:36 AM)
no need ge ma..
just buy a 30m or 50m cable just temporarily hook it with the cables lying around oso can ma.

I'm thinking of doing the same, if i get hold of one BD-life equipped set
well i still can drill holes from my gnd flr room to kitchen then enroute to hall ( looks neat thou )
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c'mon dude....if i want to use cable then i wont be asking this question doh.gif


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QUOTE(kianwee @ Aug 12 2009, 10:21 AM)
Aztech homeplug will do just fine. Dirt cheap somemore.
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I was thinking of the Aztech Homeplug Wifi (RM260 per unit) but the question is will it work by itself (connecting via wifi to upstairs wifi router) or do I need a pair. Anyone has this?

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 11 2009, 10:27 PM)
is this the 1k+model going to launch in Malaysia
(think its the one my dealer fren ask me to wait)

Not Bad eh...can playback Mpeg4 movies from USB biggrin.gif
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Pretty good review on that model. Do you have any idea when it will hit malaysia ?
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QUOTE(redrum77 @ Aug 12 2009, 11:41 AM)
Pretty good review on that model. Do you have any idea when it will hit malaysia ?
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but seems the oppo83 way much better,can support SACD,DVD-A,(think read somewhere support MKV oso,or is mixed up with other brand)
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 02:52 PM)
but seems the oppo83 way much better,can support SACD,DVD-A,(think read somewhere support MKV oso,or is mixed up with other brand)
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Oppo supports mkv.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 12 2009, 03:11 PM)
Oppo supports mkv.
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OR is it DUNE
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 02:52 PM)
but seems the oppo83 way much better,can support SACD,DVD-A,(think read somewhere support MKV oso,or is mixed up with other brand)
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Yeah oppo83 does support MKV, but i think that will cost alot. I am looking for an basic entry bd player. The jvc seems to fit the bill. Check out the review [AVS Forum] Post #590
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 03:28 PM)
OR is it DUNE
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Dune supports everything under the sun at the moment...It is really a universal media player. (except SACD, DVD-A but then again, I believe the number of wanting this is way less than all the other stuff)

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QUOTE(redrum77 @ Aug 12 2009, 04:56 PM)
Yeah oppo83 does support MKV, but i think that will cost alot. I am looking for an basic entry bd player. The jvc seems to fit the bill. Check out the review [AVS Forum] Post #590
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Wow!!! I'm sold. *Scraps BD60 off imaginary list*

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QUOTE(redrum77 @ Aug 12 2009, 04:56 PM)
Yeah oppo83 does support MKV, but i think that will cost alot. I am looking for an basic entry bd player. The jvc seems to fit the bill. Check out the review [AVS Forum] Post #590
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EXTRACT From http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....62#post16758462

Are there any problem discs?
Yes, 12 Rounds will not play on the JVC. The disc will also not play properly on a number of players including the Oppo and Pioneer 51.

Have there been any firmware updates? How would I download them?
There have been no updates since release. We are optimistic one will address the 12 Rounds bug. In all likelihood, you will need to burn the firmware to a cd or save on a usb drive to update; there is no update section within the menu to connect to the internet. If I had to guess, this update section might come with the firmware upgrade a la the LG BH200.
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What does 12 Rounds simply Means
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EXTRACT From http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....62#post16758462

Are there any problem discs?
Yes, 12 Rounds will not play on the JVC. The disc will also not play properly on a number of players including the Oppo and Pioneer 51.

Have there been any firmware updates? How would I download them?
There have been no updates since release. We are optimistic one will address the 12 Rounds bug. In all likelihood, you will need to burn the firmware to a cd or save on a usb drive to update; there is no update section within the menu to connect to the internet. If I had to guess, this update section might come with the firmware upgrade a la the LG BH200.
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What does 12 Rounds simply Means
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12 Rounds is a BD movie. go la check it out.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=5178
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 12 2009, 06:50 PM)
doh.gif
12 Rounds is a BD movie. go la check it out.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=5178
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Directed by Renny Harlin, director of Die Hard 2 and Cliffhanger.

Renny Harlin is not so hot these days, check out The Covenant. Haven't seen this 12 Rounds, but the trailer looks OK.
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 12 2009, 07:00 PM)
Directed by Renny Harlin, director of Die Hard 2 and Cliffhanger.

Renny Harlin is not so hot these days, check out The Covenant. Haven't seen this 12 Rounds, but the trailer looks OK.
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i only see mkv...because the BD is expensive that time. somemore is not very famous movie.
indeed is a nice movie. boom boom pow ...
action all the way till end.


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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 06:09 PM)
EXTRACT From http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....62#post16758462

Are there any problem discs?
Yes, 12 Rounds will not play on the JVC. The disc will also not play properly on a number of players including the Oppo and Pioneer 51.

Have there been any firmware updates? How would I download them?
There have been no updates since release. We are optimistic one will address the 12 Rounds bug. In all likelihood, you will need to burn the firmware to a cd or save on a usb drive to update; there is no update section within the menu to connect to the internet. If I had to guess, this update section might come with the firmware upgrade a la the LG BH200.
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What does 12 Rounds simply Means
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12 rounds is a movie. Check out the last post of avs forum, apparently beta firmware is out but in testing stage.
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 12 2009, 06:50 PM)
doh.gif
12 Rounds is a BD movie. go la check it out.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=5178
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Ala.... Stupid ME doh.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
You see Me no movie Fanatic biggrin.gif
QUOTE(redrum77 @ Aug 12 2009, 07:11 PM)
12 rounds is a movie. Check out the last post of avs forum, apparently beta firmware is out but in testing stage.
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wat's with this 12 rounds movie ?
Testing Compatibility, hmm.gif Reference Disc

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if not movie fanatic, then why need a BD player?


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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 12 2009, 08:30 PM)
if not movie fanatic, then why need a BD player?
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not movie fanatic means no need BD player? watch BD concerts also ok mah.. with good audio tracks quality.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 12 2009, 08:30 PM)
if not movie fanatic, then why need a BD player?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 12 2009, 08:56 PM)
not movie fanatic means no need BD player? watch BD concerts also ok mah.. with good audio tracks quality..  smile.gif
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I still HONOUR what has been said,
if you trace back my earlier Mails, i tend to be ambitious on BlockBuster Movies but....but....
then again not all.....
ala..... mentioning again, I dont even have Jurassic park, Starwars, Harry potter, Pearl Harbour, Golden Compass, LOTR(this given by fren) and i dont mean Original ones
Even those RM8 to RM15 ones oso dont have

Bro ar188 said it right, Concerts....concerts... my fren, those considered famous ones la to me, Not Iron Maiden those type of stuffs biggrin.gif

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yeah, but concert not alot yet.
mostly movie now.

well.. if you enjoy it then is ok. all is up to u
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 12 2009, 10:41 PM)
yeah, but concert not alot yet.
mostly movie now.

well.. if you enjoy it then is ok. all is up to u
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my concert collection more than Movies HEHE biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 11:05 PM)
my concert collection more than Movies HEHE  biggrin.gif
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you dowan to chellen engrund teacher to reach 100 BDs ar? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 12 2009, 11:10 PM)
you dowan to chellen engrund teacher to reach 100 BDs ar?  biggrin.gif
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No point chellen le as the saying goes in chinese

**" Yan Pei Yan... Pei Sei Yan"

i can buy, but dont see whats the point, furthermore there are lots of movie see once only then cold storage oledi

concerts can repeat, repeat, and repeat tak bosan one,
some movies also the same like Shaolin Soccer

seriously i dont really express interest in lets say Underworld and the likes (tak syok... color not nice
same to Terminator Salvation ( who cares even its Block Buster ) tongue.gif

well like i say go back to **
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 11:29 PM)
No point chellen le as the saying goes in chinese

**" Yan Pei Yan... Pei Sei Yan"

i can buy, but dont see whats the point, furthermore there are lots of movie see once only then cold storage oledi

concerts can repeat, repeat, and repeat tak bosan one,
some movies also the same like Shaolin Soccer

seriously i dont really express interest in lets say Underworld and the likes (tak syok... color not nice
same to Terminator Salvation ( who cares even its Block Buster ) tongue.gif 

well like i say go back to **
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I think you got ah beng taste la liddat.. shaolin soccer tak bosan.. terminator series already bosan.. biggrin.gif maybe you should support china's hi def discs.. got more titles suit you.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 11:29 PM)
No point chellen le as the saying goes in chinese

**" Yan Pei Yan... Pei Sei Yan"

i can buy, but dont see whats the point, furthermore there are lots of movie see once only then cold storage oledi

concerts can repeat, repeat, and repeat tak bosan one,
some movies also the same like Shaolin Soccer

seriously i dont really express interest in lets say Underworld and the likes (tak syok... color not nice
same to Terminator Salvation ( who cares even its Block Buster ) tongue.gif 

well like i say go back to **
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again another saying
'yao bei shin yao chun bou' mah laugh.gif

*cabut*
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 12 2009, 11:39 PM)
I think you got ah beng taste la liddat.. shaolin soccer tak bosan..  terminator series already bosan..  biggrin.gif  maybe you should support china's hi def discs.. got more titles suit you..  tongue.gif
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that Barger stephen chow is damn hilarious

Terminator Salvation..... I didnt say Bosan.....

elites own tens, twenty thousands of equipment/gadgets, dont you think its a waste to potray that at 1080p

colour also not nice (nuclear war zone..all greyish black) what nice hi-def pix are there to see,
for this i only agree on the DTS-HD/MA or True HD sounds only hehe

After all this saying i did keep Terminator 3 thou' rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 11:46 PM)
that Barger stephen chow is damn hilarious

Terminator Salvation..... I didnt say Bosan.....

elites own tens, twenty thousands of equipment/gadgets, dont you think its a waste to potray that at 1080p

colour also not nice (nuclear war zone..all greyish black) what nice hi-def pix are there to see,
for this i only agree on the DTS-HD/MA or True HD sounds only hehe
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OK la I watch kung fu hustle in hi def more than once. tongue.gif he's quite funny.. but didn't really dig cj7..maybe it's a kids show..

1080p can be found on 37inch TVs.. and USD199 BD players, not really a yardstick for elite equipment..
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 11:46 PM)
that Barger stephen chow is damn hilarious

Terminator Salvation..... I didnt say Bosan.....

elites own tens, twenty thousands of equipment/gadgets, dont you think its a waste to potray that at 1080p

colour also not nice (nuclear war zone..all greyish black) what nice hi-def pix are there to see,
for this i only agree on the DTS-HD/MA or True HD sounds only hehe

After all this saying i did keep Terminator 3 thou' rclxms.gif
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as i know..terminator salvation not yet have BD. how can you say greyish black?
what source did you see?
cinema? doh.gif as you know cinema not HD

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QUOTE(robinlim @ Aug 12 2009, 11:40 PM)
again another saying
'yao bei shin yao chun bou' mah  laugh.gif

*cabut*
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depends how u look at situation.....this scenario is term LUXURY
to many ppl...you buy...i buy i am really happy for them>>><<< to me you jump.....not necessary i will jump tongue.gif

other scenario.... everybody want to be like Bill Gates, the late unc Lim


Added on August 12, 2009, 11:58 pm
QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 12 2009, 11:52 PM)
as i know..terminator salvation not yet have BD. how can you say greyish black?
what source did you see?
cinema? doh.gif  as  you know cinema not HD
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to be frank i havent seen it at cinemas, but i have seen the Trailers, and noway i am going to keep that BD

Its in the nuclear era, what do you expect of the colors........ smile.gif

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terminator salvation will be good to workout ur sub. the lfe is crazy and a bit overdone i think.
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we will wait the BD release only can know.
agree the lfe will be good too
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 13 2009, 12:04 AM)
we will wait the BD release only can know.
agree the lfe will be good too
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i fully agree with the AQ and not the PQ on colours biggrin.gif

what you think of the Underworld colour. is it good

Its only the last part you feel relief when the sun rises


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its "underworld" dude....hence the color tongue.gif

good color does not always has to be colorful n bright. its how a movie represent the color thrown at them.
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 13 2009, 12:13 AM)
its "underworld" dude....hence the color tongue.gif

good color does not always has to be colorful n bright. its how a movie represent the color thrown at them.
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thanks...but not for me biggrin.gif

edited

same goes for Roy Orbison ( Black n White ) we are in an era of Colours suddenly comes this Roy on our LCD's...
it just doesn't seem fit.

Well maybe i can say for LCD Colour Calibration you need it, ( for LCD's that can potray a true Black and White picture, then you can say your LCD TV is tuned to True to Life Colours tongue.gif

My Avatar and Yours.... which is nicer

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My Avatar and Yours.... which is nicer
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urs is more adorable tongue.gif
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urs is more adorable tongue.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 13 2009, 12:14 AM)
thanks...but not for me biggrin.gif

edited

same goes for Roy Orbison ( Black n White ) we are in an era of Colours suddenly comes this Roy on our LCD's...
it just doesn't seem fit.

Well maybe i can say for LCD Colour Calibration you need it, ( for LCD's that can potray a true Black and White picture, then you can say your  LCD TV is tuned to True to Life Colours tongue.gif

My Avatar and Yours.... which is nicer
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bro, the hi def media is to enable our displays to get closer to what film and the director has to intended to show, . B&W , weird green tint (ala matrix, black hawk down) or color is not the issue la.. it's all about the movie..
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bro, the hi def media is to enable our displays to get closer to what film and the director has to intended to show, . B&W , weird green tint (ala matrix, black hawk down) or color is not the issue la.. it's all about the movie..
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i dont have matrix oso and bought black hawk down, cos heard malaysian army was involved,
seriously didnt watch oso, maybe will watch it this couple of weeks, ( that was one mistake i made >>they buy i buy<<< haha, that time all DVD's kena sapu so scared nothing to buy next time tongue.gif
seriouly i didnt say those movies no good, its a must that directors must produce it the way it was, to follow the story line, like terminator salvation, nuclear war was evolved, you cant see very green grass and stuffs like that right!!!

to me if colour not nice its not for me to safe keep, ( but i still watch if ... am, lend a BD..haha haha)
Chicago, black book i have but ...in Divico tongue.gif no need spending a penny

one of the reasons why people keep Pixar anmiations, cartoons,etc is.... cos they want to test out, how those brilliant colours sparkle on their 32" to some 120" screens. smile.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 12 2009, 11:55 PM)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

depends how u look at situation.....this scenario is term LUXURY
to many ppl...you buy...i buy i am really happy for them>>><<< to me you jump.....not necessary i will jump  tongue.gif

other scenario.... everybody want to be like Bill Gates, the late unc Lim
I don't want to be the late uncle lim
i want to be the Jr uncle lim biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 13 2009, 09:11 AM)
i dont have matrix oso and bought black hawk down, cos heard malaysian army was involved,
seriously didnt watch oso, maybe will watch it this couple of weeks, ( that was one mistake i made >>they buy i buy<<< haha, that time all DVD's kena sapu so scared nothing to buy next time  tongue.gif 
seriouly i didnt say those movies no good, its a must that directors must produce it the way it was, to follow the story line, like terminator salvation, nuclear war was evolved, you cant see very green grass and stuffs like that right!!!

to me if colour not nice its not for me to safe keep, ( but i still watch if ... am, lend a BD..haha  haha)
Chicago, black book i have but ...in Divico tongue.gif no need spending a penny

one of the reasons why people keep Pixar anmiations, cartoons,etc is.... cos they want to test out, how those brilliant colours sparkle on their 32" to some 120" screens. smile.gif
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guess it boils down to personal taste la, i personally like to show off my dark knight and transformer BD when people come to visit
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QUOTE(wackojacko @ Aug 13 2009, 09:23 AM)
guess it boils down to personal taste la, i personally like to show off my dark knight and transformer BD when people come to visit
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dark knight is superb, the blacks are black what more can i say about the colours ( simply stunning) biggrin.gif
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Dark Knight too draggy cause me to fall asleep. Not in my BD list. Review also not that good and I tend to agree with them.
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 13 2009, 09:11 AM)
i dont have matrix oso and bought black hawk down, cos heard malaysian army was involved,
seriously didnt watch oso, maybe will watch it this couple of weeks, ( that was one mistake i made >>they buy i buy<<< haha, that time all DVD's kena sapu so scared nothing to buy next time  tongue.gif 
seriouly i didnt say those movies no good, its a must that directors must produce it the way it was, to follow the story line, like terminator salvation, nuclear war was evolved, you cant see very green grass and stuffs like that right!!!

to me if colour not nice its not for me to safe keep, ( but i still watch if ... am, lend a BD..haha  haha)
Chicago, black book i have but ...in Divico tongue.gif no need spending a penny

one of the reasons why people keep Pixar anmiations, cartoons,etc is.... cos they want to test out, how those brilliant colours sparkle on their 32" to some 120" screens. smile.gif
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want nice color?then go for animated. can test your TV and you BD player.
e.g. Monster inc, bug life and etc..

sure you will like it. or you would say the movie too childish? whistling.gif


Added on August 13, 2009, 10:49 am
QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 13 2009, 10:42 AM)
Dark Knight too draggy cause me to fall asleep. Not in my BD list. Review also not that good and I tend to agree with them.
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yeah, agreed. if they cut some of the scene. will be nice movie..
almost asleep in the cinema

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partly agree but most of the time action packed, anyway i havent got BD or DVD's for this yet ..hehe
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 13 2009, 10:42 AM)
Dark Knight too draggy cause me to fall asleep. Not in my BD list. Review also not that good and I tend to agree with them.
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It still goes back to personal preference
example some people like LOTR very much because of the depth of the story
some don't like because too much dialogues and draggy

for me, I find TDK very enjoying
better than Batman Begins
watched 3 times (1 time in cinema) and never fall asleep laugh.gif
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QUOTE(robinlim @ Aug 13 2009, 01:31 PM)
for me, I find TDK very enjoying
better than Batman Begins
watched 3 times (1 time in cinema) and never fall asleep laugh.gif
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u have a very good concentration laugh.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 13 2009, 12:14 AM)
My Avatar and Yours.... which is nicer
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 13 2009, 12:39 AM)
urs is more adorable tongue.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 13 2009, 12:40 AM)
thkq
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for a moment, I thought I was in the ladies thread .... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 13 2009, 01:29 AM)
bro, the hi def media is to enable our displays to get closer to what film and the director has to intended to show, . B&W , weird green tint (ala matrix, black hawk down) or color is not the issue la.. it's all about the movie..
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Yeah, BHD was really grainy, but then again, its artistically put there by Ridley intentionally ... So not much of a showcase for BD. I agree, go for animations/CGIs for sparkling clean videos! nod.gif


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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 13 2009, 10:42 AM)
Dark Knight too draggy cause me to fall asleep. Not in my BD list. Review also not that good and I tend to agree with them.
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You are One in a Million! rclxms.gif

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Ehhh...how come this has become a movie thread?? tongue.gif

For those Panny BDP users having trouble to connect internet upgrade their firmware like me , can also use CD-R to do so.
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Use net easy no need to do anything just wait until it's finished and pray no power outage during firmware upgrade sweat.gif
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Use net easy no need to do anything just wait until it's finished and pray no power outage during firmware upgrade sweat.gif
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actually use cd-r also not troublesome
download the file, burn as image, all within 30min
no need to worry using net to update suddenly dcn
bdp risked being bricked
u know streamyx lar, always got dcn issue
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 12 2009, 07:00 PM)
Directed by Renny Harlin, director of Die Hard 2 and Cliffhanger.

Renny Harlin is not so hot these days, check out The Covenant. Haven't seen this 12 Rounds, but the trailer looks OK.
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It's sort of a copy of 'Speed'. Very similar in many ways. But it has a smart twist at the end.

However John Cena still can't act. Better stick to wrestling biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(robinlim @ Aug 13 2009, 07:43 PM)
actually use cd-r also not troublesome
download the file, burn as image, all within 30min
no need to worry using net to update suddenly dcn
bdp risked being bricked
u know streamyx lar, always got dcn issue
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actually both way also risky if power out before firmware finish flashing.
what i meant by easy is no need to burn into cd-r only.
its ok if the line is slow coz the flashing only started after the whole firmware downloaded.
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Just use UPS. tongue.gif


Added on August 14, 2009, 7:43 am
QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 13 2009, 09:38 PM)
It's sort of a copy of 'Speed'. Very similar in many ways. But it has a smart twist at the end.

However John Cena still can't act. Better stick to wrestling  biggrin.gif
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Really? Interesting.

Don't know who John Cena, I only know The Rock. laugh.gif


Added on August 14, 2009, 8:01 amRumor: Slim PS3 Announcement Next Tuesday

PlayStation 3 British electronics site Pocket-Lint reports today that its "sources" have confirmed that the slim PS3 is a reality and that Sony will announce it next week. Specifically, it will be officially announced by SCEI chief Kaz Hirai during the press conference that will be held next Tuesday evening (Europe time) at the GamesCom gaming conference in Cologne, Germany.

The note contains no information on product details or pricing, but we previously reported that a French source had revealed the slim PS3 would be 100 euros cheaper than the current one (see here).

Posted August 13, 2009 08:46 AM by Juan Calonge at Blu-ray.com

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 14 2009, 07:39 AM)
Just use UPS. tongue.gif

Don't know who John Cena, I only know The Rock. laugh.gif

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need to watch more TV lesser BDs.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 13 2009, 10:06 PM)
actually both way also risky if power out before firmware finish flashing.
what i meant by easy is no need to burn into cd-r only.
its ok if the line is slow coz the flashing only started after the whole firmware downloaded.
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the bdp got internal memory to store the downloaded firmware?
not directly updating from web? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(robinlim @ Aug 13 2009, 07:43 PM)
actually use cd-r also not troublesome
download the file, burn as image, all within 30min
no need to worry using net to update suddenly dcn
bdp risked being bricked
u know streamyx lar, always got dcn issue
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think many users is knows PC stuff that well
so someone can start side income (burning firmware and distribute) rclxms.gif

QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 13 2009, 10:06 PM)
actually both way also risky if power out before firmware finish flashing.
what i meant by easy is no need to burn into cd-r only.

its ok if the line is slow coz the flashing only started after the whole firmware downloaded.
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if really power failure it happens both ways whether using CD-R's internal BD player flashing oso.
well maybe can start investing in a moderate UPS for firmware upgrade purposes.

really have to check with Manufacturers, what happen if power failure during upgrade,
will it be dead (have to send back to service center) or can continue to upgrade back from last firmware version biggrin.gif
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power out during flashing will tell u only one thing....u really suey tongue.gif
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power out during flashing will tell u only one thing....u really suey tongue.gif
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haha.... who ever kena this incident really must go buy lottery
really one in a million rclxms.gif


Added on August 15, 2009, 1:14 amReally need a favour...
would anyone be kind enuf, happen to drop by, or know and to confirm whether anymore 51fd in desa or hi-way laser
maybe any left over else where oso,
thanks

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hi anybody saw magnavox usd 98 bd player at walmart? it does everything except no lan or wifi for bd live it has latest profile any one ordered it one question iy cant do dolby or dts audio so how will it be decoded or how to get the hd audio out of it?
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QUOTE(Riddhy @ Aug 16 2009, 01:59 AM)
hi anybody saw magnavox usd 98 bd player at walmart? it does everything except no lan or wifi for bd live it has latest profile any one ordered it one question iy cant do dolby or dts audio so how will it be decoded or how to get the hd audio out of it?
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The latest profile is BD-Live, so if it has the latest profile it must have LAN or wi-fi. This means that it only has profile 1.1 only.

No experience with this player, but it should at least supports bitstreaming, so if you have current HD AVR with HDMI you should be OK.
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haha.... who ever kena this incident really must go buy lottery
really one in a million  rclxms.gif


Added on August 15, 2009, 1:14 amReally need a favour...
would anyone be kind enuf, happen to drop by, or know and to confirm whether anymore 51fd in desa or hi-way laser
maybe any left over else where oso,
thanks
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I think I saw 51FD at Hiway laser. Demo set of course.
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I think I saw 51FD at Hiway laser. Demo set of course.
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thanks bro Ngto
how many branches are there, i call the tel no on their brochure and they told me Takda and somemore their shop close on Sunday

well actually i am also considering oppo 83 or maybe the cheaper JVC, but the warranty again worries me sweat.gif

i have called my cousin in JB to checkout for me, and
if i really confirmed, maybe ask my bro (actual bro) in Singapore, purchase it, unpack it and leave for dust gathering,then later take back malaysia as a used set

but then again if buy so expensive set lagi no local warranty, next year if BD player roll-out with the true 3-D feature, then really jialat lor

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For sure, there are many better BDP and of course cheaper too, flooding our shore next year.

Why 51FD and not latest BDP?
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 16 2009, 11:47 PM)
For sure, there are many better BDP and of course cheaper too, flooding our shore next year.

Why 51FD and not latest BDP?
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bro htkaki, you have better alternative/recomendations???
Pls advice... thanks (edited... so you think i should wait,,,, to be frank i can still tolerate, my3900 with the audica's on DVD is totally a new experience to me)

i'm all ears

i dont know, maybe i can tolerate the loading times,( it seems if upgrade the 256mb kingston ram) inside to a high speed 2gb SD can improve loading times...
it seems oso from specs wise, the 51Fd( wolfsons) betters the 320 and 52 (burrbrowns) DAC on both dedicated stereo,.. more over at the given price of RM1800 FOC 2BD's and HDMI cable, but base on fact finding might not better the OPPO 83

Furthermore the 51FD(RM1800) is identical to the LX71,(RM3400) only difference is 51FD use half (is inferior on Video DAC) but this function is true if you are using component input.

i am using a 50" 1080' LCD, so the deep colour of 48 versus the 36 and also the 1080/24p will not show any difference,

i budget 3k but still can go for the LX71( but defeats the purpose) so another thought is the OPPO 83 which has very good reviews against the 51FD, 320, and 52' ( well still mixed reviews but %tage wise majority still prefers the 83, maybe for its SACD and DVD-A, not to mention MKV)

also BD-live looks important and future proof, but seems no one give a damned oso.

so maybe later if i upgrade to projectors, yes the Oppo 83, might have better PQ then again technology changes and maybe that time we could have better players around.

This is just my personnel opinion for finalising on a BD player latest this month or next biggrin.gif

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thanks bro Ngto
how many branches are there, i call the tel no on their brochure and they told me Takda and somemore their shop close on Sunday

well actually i am also considering oppo 83 or maybe the cheaper JVC, but the warranty again worries me sweat.gif

i have called my cousin in JB to checkout for me, and
if i really confirmed, maybe ask my bro (actual bro) in Singapore, purchase it, unpack it and leave for dust gathering,then later take back malaysia as a used set

but then again if buy so expensive set lagi no local warranty, next year if BD player roll-out with the true 3-D feature, then really jialat lor
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Where are you located. I was referring to the PJ branch. Like I said, I saw a demo set, don't think they have new ones.
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Where are you located. I was referring to the PJ branch. Like I said, I saw a demo set, don't think they have new ones.
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thanks bro Ngto,
i am in Ipoh, have already called uo 03-7673-8325 and it seems that all 3 shops oso dont have
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Guys need yr help.

Currently I'm using the old Yamaha RX-V995 which do not have HDMI input/output. I wish not to upgrade the AVR since it can still be used.

Questions:

(1). Can I purchase a blu-ray player that has all the decoding done, then output the HD content (Audio) to my AVR?

(2). Which blu-ray player can do this? BD60, Oppo BD83?

(3). Any good suggestions are appreciated.
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(1) Yes. But optical only has enough bandwidth for PCM 2 channels or use core DTS or DD. can't enjoy Full HD audio.
(2) If your current AVR has 5.1 analog inputs, I think you can try DB80.
(3) change AVR

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QUOTE(Reix @ Aug 17 2009, 02:12 PM)
(1) Yes. But optical only has enough bandwidth for PCM 2 channels or use core DTS or DD. can't enjoy Full HD audio.
(2) If your current AVR has 5.1 analog inputs, I think you can try DB80.
(3) change AVR
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Thks for the reply.

I read the Oppo 83 manual. Saw got Analog outputs. Is this output FHD audio?

(2). If my current AVR has an analog input, can I enjoy the FHD audio?

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Thks for the reply.

I read the Oppo 83 manual. Saw got Analog outputs. Is this output FHD audio?

(2). If my current AVR has an analog input, can I enjoy the FHD audio?
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1. Yes. It is decoded in the Oppo and sent out thru the analog outs.

2. Yes.
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Hi guys,
I'll finally be getting a BDP soon. Considering one of the following
1) BD60
2) 51FD
3) Oppo 83

Can someone recommend me a store (and est. price if you know). Thanks a bunch.

Also, if my AV receiver does not support DTS HD (normal DTS) but has analog input, and i hook it up to the Oppo 83, will I get the same results as a system with DTS HD?

Thanks a bunch in advance guys.
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Hi guys,
I'll finally be getting a BDP soon. Considering one of the following
1) BD60
2) 51FD
3) Oppo 83

Can someone recommend me a store (and est. price if you know). Thanks a bunch.

Also, if my AV receiver does not support DTS HD (normal DTS) but has analog input, and i hook it up to the Oppo 83, will I get the same results as a system with DTS HD?

Thanks a bunch in advance guys.
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if BD 60 consider the JVC XVBP1 also does support mkv (temporarily limited to 4gb )
no local warranty same as oppo 83
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 17 2009, 04:26 PM)
if BD 60 consider the JVC XVBP1 also does support mkv (temporarily limited to 4gb )
no local warranty same as oppo 83
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Cool. Tnx for your reply. Will add to my list.
But any idea where is the best place I can check out all these models (side by side comparison)?
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=149

Oppo 83

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/view...achapter116.htm
http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=63192.15
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1136139
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1124287


Pioneer 51FD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1054927
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1142263
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-vis...d-527043/review
http://hometheatermag.com/discplayers/pion...blu-ray_player/
http://www.retrevo.com/search?q=Pioneer+BDP-51FD&rt=oa
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/blu-ray-pla...-benchmark.html
http://www.testseek.com/home_electronics/v...b359dc9742.html
http://www.trustedreviews.com/home-cinema/...u-ray-Player/p1
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/19/re...oneer_bdp_51fd/

JVC

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131998

BD-60

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131783
http://hometheatermag.com/discplayers/pana...yer/index1.html
http://reviews.cnet.com/blu-ray-players-re...?tag=txt%3bpage

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just get dune2.. biggrin.gif
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just get dune2..  biggrin.gif
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dont mind posting site with reviews, so we can really Look, C and compare
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not much reviews la bro,

dont mind posting site with reviews, so we can really Look, C and compare
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what display you using again, I think maybe display also need to be taken into consideration to see which will match together well.. BDP/display
maybe bro anfield can give insights in this..
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what display you using again, I think maybe display also need to be taken into consideration to see which will match together well.. BDP/display
maybe bro anfield can give insights in this..
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Sony 50" 1080i 3LCD Projection TV
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thanks bro Ngto,
i am in Ipoh, have already called uo 03-7673-8325 and it seems that all 3 shops oso dont have
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what display you using again, I think maybe display also need to be taken into consideration to see which will match together well.. BDP/display
maybe bro anfield can give insights in this..
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Mine is Sharp 42" 63M series. 60Hz era fellow.
I suppose it won't really be able to take full advantage of those higher end players? My two cents.

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Thanks for the replies guys.
Mine is Sharp 42" 63M series. 60Hz era fellow.
I suppose it won't really be able to take full advantage of those higher end players? My two cents.
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you get the idea where I was heading... thumbup.gif

I mean, new model players come out every year, why pay to get this years flagship player when display isn't up to par to take advantage..
especially with BD, we just treat the BDP as bare transport via HDMI.. everything pipe to the AVR and TV to decode (when playing BD materials)..
when upgrade the Display time say 2years later, those mid/entry priced BDP players also will surpass 2years ago flagship BDP already biggrin.gif
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Mine is Sharp 42" 63M series. 60Hz era fellow.
I suppose it won't really be able to take full advantage of those higher end players? My two cents.
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Does it accept a 24Hz signal? Else it would be important to get a proper BD player that can output at 1080p/60Hz to minimize post processing errors in ur set.

As ar188 says, the display is one of the most important aspects of the HT. Any deficiencies will show up there...
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bro, when coming to KL.. ?? should meet at mpyw's place can TKSS there..  laugh.gif
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Will let u know the next trip. Yeah, want to check out his new Marantz and Dune as well! Will let u know.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 17 2009, 10:40 PM)
you get the idea where I was heading...  thumbup.gif

I mean, new model players come out every year, why pay to get this years flagship player when display isn't up to par to take advantage..
especially with BD, we just treat the BDP as bare transport via HDMI.. everything pipe to the AVR and TV to decode (when playing BD materials)..
when upgrade the Display time say 2years later, those mid/entry priced BDP players also will surpass 2years ago flagship BDP already  biggrin.gif
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already have your thoughts in mind,

My preference is to have a good BD player, with good CD playback thru dedicated Analog outs, to replace my existing player, Mc'Cormack Prism II as i have already sold of all my Hi-fi separates.

If i were to get the OPPO 83 (its only the Warranty status and whether its worth the "RM" being spent or not, else will be the 51FD ) that supports SACD, MKV, then it make sense for me to sell off the Mc'Cormack Prism II, I know SACD maybe is near EOL

If i cant find one to substitute, then will downgrade and follow your way biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 17 2009, 10:44 PM)
Does it accept a 24Hz signal? Else it would be important to get a proper BD player that can output at 1080p/60Hz to minimize post processing errors in ur set.

As ar188 says, the display is one of the most important aspects of the HT. Any deficiencies will show up there...
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I agree, as i believe there are still many people ( maybe ratio 1:30 ) that have LCD's and projectors which do not support the 1080/24p signal as well as 36 and 48 deep colour

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 17 2009, 11:16 PM)
already have your thoughts in mind,

My preference is to have a good BD player, with good CD playback thru dedicated Analog outs, to replace my existing player, Mc'Cormack Prism II as i have already sold of all my Hi-fi separates.

If i were to get the OPPO 83 (its only the Warranty status and whether its worth the "RM" being spent or not, else will be the 51FD ) that supports SACD, MKV, then it make sense for me to sell off the Mc'Cormack Prism II, I know SACD maybe is near EOL

If i cant find one to substitute, then will downgrade and follow your way biggrin.gif


Added on August 17, 2009, 11:20 pm

I agree, as i believe there are still many people ( maybe ratio 1:30 ) that have LCD's and projectors which do not support the 1080/24p signal as well as 36 and 48 deep colour
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 17 2009, 10:44 PM)
Does it accept a 24Hz signal? Else it would be important to get a proper BD player that can output at 1080p/60Hz to minimize post processing errors in ur set.

As ar188 says, the display is one of the most important aspects of the HT. Any deficiencies will show up there...
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My TV does not support 24p. Bummer. <1yr old and already feeling the obsolete-ness.
Will look for a BDP that outputs at 60Hz.
Thanks anfieldude and ar188.
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my way is just the cost conscious method.. if you do feel otherwise, you are welcome to help the domestic economy..  tongue.gif
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cost conscious with reasonable facts that maximise usage, "Its beyond unreasonable doubt"

On the contary i heard some Sifu's mumbling b4, that if you can get a source that can say output to the max of 1080/24p at 48 deep colour its definitely better than standard BD Player that outputs at 1080p, so your LCD will have a better pix when it downscale back

anybody can support this theory??
thanks
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cost conscious with reasonable facts that maximise usage, "Its beyond unreasonable doubt"

On the contary i heard some Sifu's mumbling b4, that if you can get a source that can say output to the max of 1080/24p at 48 deep colour its definitely better than standard BD Player that outputs at 1080p, so your LCD will have a better pix when it downscale back

anybody can support this theory??
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have to wait for sifu anfield.. he seen /calibrated quite a number of tellys to notice them..
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have to wait for sifu anfield.. he seen /calibrated quite a number of tellys to notice them..
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bro chewkl.... thought was "HornyAngMoh"

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wooh .... thats good


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Bro Horny is using 50PY700.

By the way, nice new avatar. What's his problem? Or was he playing hdie and seek? laugh.gif
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Bro Horny is using 50PY700.

By the way, nice new avatar. What's his problem? Or was he playing hdie and seek? laugh.gif
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thanks...more or less like "no eye see" tongue.gif

bor chew oso using rear projection TV?? thays good biggrin.gif

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cost conscious with reasonable facts that maximise usage, "Its beyond unreasonable doubt"

On the contary i heard some Sifu's mumbling b4, that if you can get a source that can say output to the max of 1080/24p at 48 deep colour its definitely better than standard BD Player that outputs at 1080p, so your LCD will have a better pix when it downscale back

anybody can support this theory??
thanks
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BDs are encoded in YCbCr 4:2:0 with colour bits of 8bits per colour (24bits in all RGB). Deep Colour is essentially 30, 36, 48bits. The colour needs to be converted from 24bit to 30, 36 and 48bits. Deep Colour is supposed to reduced banding and increase colour depth and all. Most displays are 8bit displays. There are some that are 10 (30)bits, 12(36) bits and 16 (48bits). Some BD players have the ability to convert to 30bits, 36bits and 48bits. This is done via a chip or algorithms. PS3, Pioneer and Oppo can do this. Or the display can do this.

Now the interesting part, there are no BDs encoded with Deep Colour, so conversion is the only way to go. I have tested the 36bits, 30bits on my display that supposedly is 36bit capable and have seen nothing different. That said, my display does not have banding anyway, so maybe it has no effect on my display. Even on test signals I cannot see the benefit of this as yet. Maybe on some displays (Sammys are 30 bit, Sonys are 36bit, Pioneer 36bit) the colour conversion is already good enough that I cannot see the benefit. Some people have seen the benefit on test patterns, but I could not. Then again, I am an amateur, maybe I need to train my eyes more. Also will retest this on a bigger screen next month.

Also remember that your display will convert the signal (YCbCr) to RGB. This colour space conversion can also cause problems.

HDTVs do a lot of processing that people take for granted. My take is get a decent BD player (that does not mess up the signals to the display )but make sure that your display is very good. You will benefit more from that.

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 18 2009, 09:38 AM)
BDs are encoded in YCbCr 4:2:0 with colour bits of 8bits per colour (24bits in all RGB). Deep Colour is essentially 30, 36, 48bits. The colour needs to be converted from 24bit to 30, 36 and 48bits. Deep Colour is supposed to reduced banding and increase colour depth and all. Most displays are 8bit displays. There are some that are 10 (30)bits, 12(36) bits and 16 (48bits). Some BD players have the ability to convert to 30bits, 36bits and 48bits. This is done via a chip or algorithms. PS3, Pioneer and Oppo can do this. Or the display can do this.

Now the interesting part, there are no BDs encoded with Deep Colour, so conversion is the only way to go. I have tested the 36bits, 30bits on my display that supposedly is 36bit capable and have seen nothing different. That said, my display does not have banding anyway, so maybe it has no effect on my display. Even on test signals I cannot see the benefit of this as yet. Maybe on some displays (Sammys are 30 bit, Sonys are 36bit, Pioneer 36bit) the colour conversion is already good enough that I cannot see the benefit. Some people have seen the benefit on test patterns, but I could not. Then again, I am an amateur, maybe I need to train my eyes more. Also will retest this on a bigger screen next month.

Also remember that your display will convert the signal (YCbCr) to RGB. This colour space conversion can also cause problems.

HDTVs do a lot of processing that people take for granted. My take is get a decent BD player (that does not mess up the signals to the display )but make sure that your display is very good. You will benefit more from that.
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thanks bro anfiel for your technically brief detailed explanation...
congrats on your 36bit display ( 1:1000 ratio to have it biggrin.gif ) so you tested at the highest level you could lay hands on and thats the optimum you're getting.
in "layman" terms, you have any comments or done experimenting to normal LCD with 36bit player vs normal 1080p normal player, does the PQ makes any difference if we use a 36/48 bit BD Plyer....thanks

to me test patterns, are not important, ( test patterns might fail ) as we are too engrossed... living on theory, benchmarks, S/N ratio etc.

yes i do agree, when searching for your ultimate BD player amongst the bunch, we pause/freeze to look for hairline details, facial pimples, jaggies, you need that as reference, but at ones' day, we will be to engrossed in the movie not to mention the accompanying sound we still find thats the best we have in our HT or living room. biggrin.gif

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thanks bro anfiel for your technically brief detailed explanation...
congrats on your 36bit display ( 1:1000 ratio to have it biggrin.gif ) so you tested at the highest level you could lay hands on and  thats the optimum you're getting.
in "layman" terms, you have any comments or done experimenting to normal LCD with 36bit player vs normal 1080p normal player, does the PQ makes any difference if we use a 36/48 bit TV.
QUOTE:

I have tested the 36bits, 30bits on my display that supposedly is 36bit capable and have seen nothing different. That said, my display does not have banding anyway, so maybe it has no effect on my display.


cheers.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 18 2009, 10:48 AM)
QUOTE:

I have tested the 36bits, 30bits on my display that supposedly is 36bit capable and have seen nothing different. That said, my display does not have banding anyway, so maybe it has no effect on my display.


cheers..  biggrin.gif
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Thks for the reply.

I read the Oppo 83 manual. Saw got Analog outputs. Is this output FHD audio?

(2). If my current AVR has an analog input, can I enjoy the FHD audio?
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I've checked and too bad, my old AVR do not have Analog outs...aiyah..need to save to get a new AVR.
I'm looking at Denon AVR, which model good? Budget <rm3k.

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I've checked and too bad, my old AVR do not have Analog outs...aiyah..need to save to get a new AVR.
I'm looking at Denon AVR, which model good? Budget <rm3k.
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Why you need analogue outs on the AVR? What you need is analgue IN if your AVR doesn't have HDMI. It's the BD player that must have analogue outs.
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Why you need analogue outs on the AVR? What you need is analgue IN if your AVR doesn't have HDMI. It's the BD player that must have analogue outs.
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Maybe can get the Denon 1909, my friend bought it for RM2.1k if I van remember correctly.
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Oh OK, which model is that? hmm.gif 

Maybe can get the Denon 1909, my friend bought it for RM2.1k if I van remember correctly.
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The Oppo BD83 is a player capable of sending out 36bit and 30bit. I believe the Pioneers are the ones touting 48bit. I have tested the output of 30bit, 36bit on a 36bit capable display and have not seen any visible difference. I believe I need to look for animation titles that have been known to introduce banding (then again this is already in the source encoding, am not sure if the display can correct this) and check again.

The next time I have a chance to calibrate a display thru a Pioneer BD Player I will try to see if I can check....ronnt maybe will recheck in yours. The sammys are also supposed to be 10bit panels. (pls remember that a panel can be 10bit but it can have a colour processor that can output at 12bit)

My honest opinion, Deep Colour is way over rated. Don't pay too much attention for now.
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Oh OK, which model is that? hmm.gif 

Maybe can get the Denon 1909, my friend bought it for RM2.1k if I van remember correctly.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 18 2009, 11:53 AM)
The Oppo BD83 is a player capable of sending out 36bit and 30bit. I believe the Pioneers are the ones touting 48bit. I have tested the output of 30bit, 36bit on a 36bit capable display and have not seen any visible difference. I believe I need to look for animation titles that have been known to introduce banding (then again this is already in the source encoding, am not sure if the display can correct this) and check again.

The next time I have a chance to calibrate a display thru a Pioneer BD Player I will try to see if I can check....ronnt maybe will recheck in yours. The sammys are also supposed to be 10bit panels. (pls remember that a panel can be 10bit but it can have a colour processor that can output at 12bit)

My honest opinion, Deep Colour is way over rated. Don't pay too much attention for now.
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thanks for your valuable time... gracious

your experties again,
so far in yr opinion which is BD player you have tested producing the best PQ, and also the BD models you have lay hands on... thanks

PS: and also best as CD audio AQ
terima kasih

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Desa Kepong RM1900
thanks for your valuable time... gracious

your experties again,
so far in yr opinion which is BD player you have tested producing the best PQ, and also the BD models you have lay hands on... thanks

PS: and also best as CD audio AQ
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Honestly, I have not played around with too many BD players to pass judgement.

I do know this though, the Oppo BD83 if not compared to anything, has good 2 channel stereo for CD as well. However, when compared to my standalone Holfi modified Xara CD player, the Xara sounds more musical and less digital.

I will probably have to borron ron's pioneer to test out side by side to see if I can judge the sound for 2 channel stereo.

PQ, I believe most people will not be able to see the difference between the BD60, Pioneer, PS3 or Oppo for Blu Ray. It is not too different, unless you have a big screen (>50in, more apparent in >80in, still very little) and you really really really look for them.

For SD upconversion, yeah you will see differences. I believe the Pioneer BD LX52 and Oppo are pretty good (better than PS3 and Pioneer DV600 DVD player)

I have played around on the BD60, Marantz (1.1), Oppo BD83, PS3, briefly the Pioneer 51FD and the older BD35. Also ron's LX52 very briefly.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 18 2009, 01:32 PM)
Honestly, I have not played around with too many BD players to pass judgement.

I do know this though, the Oppo BD83 if not compared to anything, has good 2 channel stereo for CD as well. However, when compared to my standalone Holfi modified Xara CD player, the Xara sounds more musical and less digital.

That should be the case, it shouldnt better a dedicated CD, however i still can buy the idea if its "close proximity" base on Oppo 83's est. 3K against some dedicated CD of similar pricing !!

I will probably have to borron ron's pioneer to test out side by side to see if I can judge the sound for 2 channel stereo.

PQ, I believe most people will not be able to see the difference between the BD60, Pioneer, PS3 or Oppo for Blu Ray. It is not too different, unless you have a big screen (>50in, more apparent in >80in, still very little) and you really really really look for them.

For SD upconversion, yeah you will see differences. I believe the Pioneer BD LX52 and Oppo are pretty good (better than PS3 and Pioneer DV600 DVD player)

I have played around on the BD60, Marantz (1.1), Oppo BD83, PS3, briefly the Pioneer 51FD and the older BD35. Also ron's LX52 very briefly.
Any idea on Pana's big brother BD-80
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Finally we are getting in to something that should enlighten potential BD buyers
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moomos, when u come over to penang, let me know, u can judge for yourself and make a decision if the Oppo is good enuf for your 2 channel stereo pleasure.

Also I have not seen or meddled with the BD80, I am not even sure u can get it in Malaysia.

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moomos, when u come over to penang, let me know, u can judge for yourself and make a decision if the Oppo is good enuf for your 2 channel stereo pleasure.

Also I have not seen or meddled with the BD80, I am not even sure u can get it in Malaysia.
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thank you for your utmost valuable time, advise and thanks for your invitation too....
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bro anfield, r you a dealer

ps : can you get the Oppo if i confirmed the pick??
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bro anfield, r you a dealer

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I'm afraid I cannot help get the Oppo for you but I can point you in the right direction (Spore).

I got mine in the early adoption plan after the beta testing was completed. It was sent to a US address and used there by a friend before sending over to Malaysia.

Also I am not a dealer for anything. Its a more of a hobby...
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I'm afraid I cannot help get the Oppo for you but I can point you in the right direction (Spore).

I got mine in the early adoption plan after the beta testing was completed. It was sent to a US address and used there by a friend before sending over to Malaysia.

Also I am not a dealer for anything. Its a more of a hobby...
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so to bother...
you have the singapore dealer contact and roughly the estimated price FOB or is it CIF malaysia
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so to bother...
you have the singapore dealer contact and roughly the estimated price FOB or is  it CIF malaysia
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I posted this in the earlier thread. Anyway, sent u a PM on the contact. SLT Technologies in Spore.
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I posted this in the earlier thread. Anyway, sent u a PM on the contact. SLT Technologies in Spore.
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Slim PS3 might not just be a rumor. Expect an announcement by Sony tonight. smile.gif
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Slim PS3 might not just be a rumor. Expect an announcement by Sony tonight. smile.gif
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Most important is they slim down the price ...  whistling.gif
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The slim PS3 will be released on August 24 for $299.99. It comes with a 120GB HDD. More to come. Stay tuned!
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$299.99 will still pass the rm1k mark hmm.gif
i'll only buy when it's below rm1k biggrin.gif
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The slim PS3 will be released on August 24 for $299.99. It comes with a 120GB HDD. More to come. Stay tuned!
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one problem facing 'slim' devices has always been heat dissipation. wonder whether this is gonna be an issue? hmm.gif
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The slim PS3 will be released on August 24 for $299.99. It comes with a 120GB HDD. More to come. Stay tuned!
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i heard old fat ps3 will be usd 299 not the slim slim one hasnt announced yet

also guys plz tell me what are the latest model bd player i can get in MSIA??

whats the price of bd60 here? and oppo one??

in USA its usd 194 and lg bd270 is usd 180
if i import a bd player from amazon do i have to pay taxes here??
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Slim PS3 Officially Announced

To quote Chazz Palminteri on 'The Usual Suspects': "a rumor's not a rumor that doesn't die." Today at the gamescom conference in Cologne, Germany, SCEI chief Kaz Hirai officially announced the Slim PS3, available in stores from the first week of September. Price will be $299 in the US, €299 in Europe, £249 in the UK and ¥29,980 in Japan.

The US version can be Pre-ordered Now From Amazon.com.
The UK version can be Pre-ordered Now From Amazon.co.uk.

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The "classic" PS3 and the slim PS3, side by side.

Features and connections are the same as on existing models. It'll include a 120GB hard drive (upgradeable).

According to SCE, the internal design architecture of the new PS3 system, from the main semiconductors and power supply unit to the cooling mechanism, has been completely redesigned.

Size, weight and energy requirements are cut by a third. Dimensions are 290×65×290 mm (11.4×2.6×11.4 in). Weight is 3.2 kg (7.0 lbs). Power consumption is approximately 250W. Noise is also reduced, although no specific figure was given.

As regards the outside look, the form factor of the new PS3 system features a new design with textured surface finish (in charcoal black vs the piano black finish on previous models), giving "an all new impression and a casual look," which the company hopes "will appeal to a wider audience."

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Kaz Hirai showing the slim PS3 (photo PerezStart)

With the introduction of the new PS3 system, SCE will also reduce the price of the current PS3 with 80GB HDD to an RRP of US$299/€299. Also in North America, the price of PS3 with 160GB HDD will be reduced to an RRP of US$399 from August 18.

For other information on the SCEE conference at gamescom.

Posted August 18, 2009 01:37 PM by Juan Calonge at Blu-ray.com.
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Spec sheet:
Product name: PlayStation 3
Product code: CECH-2000A (Charcoal Black)
CPU: Cell Broadband Engine™
GPU: RSX
Audio output: LPCM 7.1ch, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD, AAC.
Memory: 256MB XDR Main RAM, 256MB GDDR3 VRAM
Hard disk: 120GB 2.5" Serial ATA
USB 2.0 ports: 2
Networking: Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T), IEEE 802.11 b/g, Bluetooth 2.0 (+EDR)
Controller: Wireless Controller (Bluetooth) x 1
AV outputs: HDMI x 1, AV MULTI OUT x 1, Digital out (optical) x 1
Resolutions: 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i (for PAL 576p, 576i)
BD / DVD / CD drive (read only): BD × 2 (BD-ROM), DVD × 8 (DVD-ROM), CD × 24 (CD-ROM)
Power: AC 220 – 240, 50/60Hz
Power consumption: Approx. 250W
External dimensions (excluding maximum projecting part): Approx. 290 × 65 × 290 mm (width × height × length)
Mass: Approx. 3.2kg
Included in box: PlayStation 3 system × 1, Wireless Controller (DUALSHOCK 3) × 1, AC power cord × 1, AV cable × 1, USB cable × 1

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bit stim coming?? ??
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Wow, very tempting drool.gif wub.gif ...wonder when will it be launched in M'sia? hmm.gif any possibilities of bulk purchase? laugh.gif
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available in september. the expected price is rm1200 and the previous model will drop to rm900.
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Audio output: LPCM 7.1ch, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS, DTS-HD, AAC.

bit stim coming?? ??
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Specs the same as older PS3 model. That "audio output" should actually means "audio support" or something like that. No bitstream.

But yes, all new designed but they didn't bother to upgrade to make it lossless audio bitstream capable, makes you wonder. I think this is intentional, or else the standalone BD players got no advantage at all.
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available in september. the expected price is rm1200 and the previous model will drop to rm900.
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Wow, RM1200 only?is that true? even cheaper than XBOX360! drool.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:10 AM)
But yes, all new designed but they didn't bother to upgrade to make it lossless audio bitstream capable, makes you wonder. I think this is intentional, or else the standalone BD players got no advantage at all.
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IMO their strategy is misplaced. Sony fears the PS3 will take away sales from their own standalone BD players. But in the macro perspective how big is Sony in the BD player market? If they enable the PS3 to bitstream audio it lessens the advantage of all standalone BD players (Sharp, JVC, Panasonic, Pioneer, etc). It will cannibalize Sony as well, but imagine the potential customers from all the other brands suddenly turning to the PS3. It's like "lose some, but gain a lot".
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 19 2009, 08:18 AM)
IMO their strategy is misplaced. Sony fears the PS3 will take away sales from their own standalone BD players. But in the macro perspective how big is Sony in the BD player market? If they enable the PS3 to bitstream audio it lessens the advantage of all standalone BD players (Sharp, JVC, Panasonic, Pioneer, etc). It will cannibalize Sony as well, but imagine the potential customers from all the other brands suddenly turning to the PS3. It's like "lose some, but gain a lot".
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totally agree with you, bro! if that is the case, I would definitely buy new PS3 and used it as BDP and game console!
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 19 2009, 08:18 AM)
IMO their strategy is misplaced. Sony fears the PS3 will take away sales from their own standalone BD players. But in the macro perspective how big is Sony in the BD player market? If they enable the PS3 to bitstream audio it lessens the advantage of all standalone BD players (Sharp, JVC, Panasonic, Pioneer, etc). It will cannibalize Sony as well, but imagine the potential customers from all the other brands suddenly turning to the PS3. It's like "lose some, but gain a lot".
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I think their strategy is still driven towards the Blu-ray format in general. It won the war but the DVD is still far ahead to catch up. By letting other electronic brands to support the format, they are expanding the format so it's more reachable to consumers. Most household will have at least one type of movie player, but not necessarily all of them play video games thus won't be exposed to the format.
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So you think Sony might wait until the blu ray adoption becomes higher / more mainstream and then bam, out comes super duper PS3! Could be another tactic too...
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So you think Sony might wait until the blu ray adoption becomes higher / more mainstream and then bam, out comes super duper PS3! Could be another tactic too...
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I don't think they will come out a super duper PS3 as the cost of producing it will be sky high
they are already trailing behind Wii and XBox in terms of sales
cutting cost to bring down the price is more important for them
enabling the bit-streaming function might have additional cost incurred

Introducing a more advanced and more expensive ps3 is just a commit suicide act
Unless Sony has become the sole gaming console supplier and home gamers don't have choices

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At that price point and with the improved features, I believe it will definitely take marketshare away from those intending to buy dedicated BDPs.
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ur forgetting the point....its not a BDP....its a gaming console...... features added to it will be to improve it as a gaming console..... its very bad/poor business strategy to reposition it as a BDP as it will end up backfiring very badly on their dedicated BDP. And being so cheap it will also in turn affect their R&D budget for bluray....meaning newer innovations will take longer to come out....
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QUOTE(pgf501 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:05 AM)
available in september. the expected price is rm1200 and the previous model will drop to rm900.
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Can I ask where you got the pricing from?

I read that the previous model reduced price 80Gb to US299 but that is the same price as the new PS3 slim not cheaper.

If they drop the RM900, that would be the cheapest BD player around...


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QUOTE(Lone*Wolf @ Aug 18 2009, 11:30 PM)
one problem facing 'slim' devices has always been heat dissipation.  wonder whether this is gonna be an issue?  hmm.gif
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power on the new device has been reduced.. that indirectly would have migrated some of the heat issue as well..

hope the BD laser head is more robust now.. tongue.gif
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I still like my first-gen PS3. Can play all of my five SACD. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Bishop @ Aug 19 2009, 01:07 PM)
Can I ask where you got the pricing from?

I read that the previous model reduced price 80Gb to US299 but that is the same price as the new PS3 slim not cheaper.

If they drop the RM900, that would be the cheapest BD player around...
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Price of the original PS3 dropped to $299, so it's cheaper than before but will be as low as RM900 locally. But the price new Slim PS3 will just be the same.

QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 01:22 PM)
power on the new device has been reduced.. that indirectly would have migrated some of the heat issue as well..

hope the BD laser head is more robust now..  tongue.gif
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Yes, 34% lower power consumption.

QUOTE(terranova @ Aug 19 2009, 01:30 PM)
I still like my first-gen PS3. Can play all of my five SACD. tongue.gif
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Yours the 60GB with hardware PS2 compatibility? Mine is the second generation 80GB, all same, can play SACDs and PS2 compatible but by software. thumbup.gif
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I still like my first-gen PS3. Can play all of my five SACD. tongue.gif
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yeah same here.. new one, the casing looks cheapo.. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 02:06 PM)
yeah same here.. new one, the casing looks cheapo..  shakehead.gif
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Below 2 pix of pioneer BDP-320 and BDP-LX52 notice any difference besides the RS232 board at top left corner and another small IC by the Left side

[attachmentid=1146743] BDP-320

[attachmentid=1146744] BDP-LX52

Seems overall performance the 52 beats the 320 DVD upscalling, Bluray AQ/PQ and a big margin on 2 channel stereo rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 19 2009, 03:37 PM)
Below 2 pix of pioneer BDP-320 and BDP-LX52 notice any difference besides the RS232 board at top left corner and another small IC by the Left side

[attachmentid=1146743] BDP-320

[attachmentid=1146744] BDP-LX52

Seems overall performance the 52 beats the 320 DVD upscalling, Bluray AQ/PQ and a big margin on 2 channel stereo rclxub.gif
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from the looks of it, the PCB looks cheapo.. and uses a computer BD-rom transport tongue.gif
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this the panasonic BD-60 looks more solid le ( pioneer really jialat le but performance better wor ) rclxub.gif

[attachmentid=1147123] Internal layout BD-60
[attachmentid=1147124] Transport Close-up View
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this the panasonic BD-60 looks more solid le ( pioneer really jialat le but performance better wor ) rclxub.gif

[attachmentid=1147123] Internal layout BD-60
[attachmentid=1147124] Transport Close-up View
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once you look at all these internal cables and the RCA ports ,makes you wonder how come spend few hundred on RCa audio cables entering a RM2.00 RCA jack.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 07:36 PM)
once you look at all these internal cables and the RCA ports ,makes you wonder how come spend few hundred on RCa audio cables entering a RM2.00 RCA jack....  biggrin.gif
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the digital out is on spdf ( or is it spidf) rite
it all bd-rom transport-like now, unlike the dedicated CD transports
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the digital out is on spdf ( or is it spidf) rite
it all bd-rom transport-like now, unlike the dedicated CD transports
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I meant the analog RCA ports to hook up to audio amp (using costly RCA cables), cos you seem to be interested in more on the analog audio side of the BDP mah. tongue.gif
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BD60 is too bright when playing stereo CD. Sakit telinga rclxub.gif
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the digital out is on spdf ( or is it spidf) rite
it all bd-rom transport-like now, unlike the dedicated CD transports
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Sony/Philips Digital Interconnect Format
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BD60 is too bright when playing stereo CD. Sakit telinga rclxub.gif
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was refering to those pioneers.. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 19 2009, 08:25 PM)
BD60 is too bright when playing stereo CD. Sakit telinga rclxub.gif
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Wondering how brightness can hurt the telinga blink.gif
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:39 PM)
Wondering how brightness can hurt the telinga blink.gif
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can, according to HTkaki.. brightness can torture old age ears.. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 19 2009, 08:42 PM

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Its a metaphor bro. Not sakit telinga per se tongue.gif

I meant it's bright and tiring to listen to even for me sweat.gif

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with klips speakers memang bright tongue.gif

try euro made type like focal tongue.gif
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Aug 19 2009, 09:04 PM)
with klips speakers memang bright tongue.gif

try euro made type like focal tongue.gif
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bilang balang ? tongue.gif
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no la

tis one sound like piak piak piak
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post Aug 19 2009, 09:31 PM

hmm...
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what to do klip is speakers for peasant sad.gif
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memang..i m even worse

canot even afford klips

unlike taukehs-s aim at matin longan or die-audio ma


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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Aug 19 2009, 09:36 PM)
memang..i m even worse

canot even afford klips

unlike taukehs-s aim at matin longan or die-audio ma
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sure or not, you can afford many (like 300pcs ) 29.99 blu rays wat.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:25 PM)
Sony/Philips Digital Interconnect Format
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 19 2009, 08:25 PM)
BD60 is too bright when playing stereo CD. Sakit telinga rclxub.gif
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Use dedicated cd player.Same also with DVD player when play for cd stereo.I only use Marantz cd63SE for stereo listening.
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QUOTE(choontoy @ Aug 19 2009, 10:03 PM)
Use dedicated cd player.Same also with DVD player when play for cd stereo.I only use Marantz cd63SE for stereo listening.
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anyway, Oppo 83, Customer service is really excellent,
within a day, all queries answered

- latest pricing S$1060~ moded or region free unit~ excluding tax of 30%
- Shipping to Ipoh via SpeedPost/EMS courier costs S$90
- for tax clearance purposes, Invoice can be marked down 15-20% of S$1060 = 848 X 30%tax = S$254

that will be 1060(RP)+254(30%tax)+90(courier) =S$1404 X est 2.4 = RM3369.00

at RM3K this oppo should be group with pioneer LX71 or the coming LX72 for a fair review

BD-60/, especially BD80, pioneer 51FD, 320 and LX52 depends (how you analyse) will loose to Oppo 83 by just a slight margin

As Pioneer 51FD=pioneer 320, and given that scenerio, i opt for the BDP-320 as the difference is only RM400 ( you get slightly better PQ and AQ, 2 channel stereo, DVD upscale, not to mention BD-live.

As the BDP-320 is equipped with 1GB SD Ram, hopefully the next couple of FW upgrades, will solve the DVD 2-3 sec change over and better load times. smile.gif

base on my findings my shorlisted model will either be the Pana BD60 or the BDP-320 rclxms.gif

really jialat just got to know sold-out 4units of BD60 at RM950 ( think tis is the price they deduct from the LCD package deal )

and now considering BD 320 at RM2200 FOC 2pcs BD against the BD60 at RM1100 whistling.gif


Added on August 19, 2009, 10:53 pm
QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 07:36 PM)
once you look at all these internal cables and the RCA ports ,makes you wonder how come spend few hundred on RCa audio cables entering a RM2.00 RCA jack....  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:11 PM)
I meant the analog RCA ports to hook up to audio amp (using costly RCA cables), cos you seem to be interested in more on the analog audio side of the BDP mah.  tongue.gif
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i get what you mean, i seriously think that its wrongly commented. its not uncommon as thats what ppl think

to me everything inside the casing is perfectly calibrated and hook-up for test results,

its the same as Speakers, you have beautiful, expensive, gold-plated, biding post to very expansive cross-overs, but the link to the speaker drivers is usually a "jialat" cable
BUT to a lot of "Sin Kar's" they swap/alter that cable ....so the end result.... you are not getting what the manufacturers/designers want you to hear smile.gif

QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:25 PM)
Sony/Philips Digital Interconnect Format
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 19 2009, 10:42 PM)

base on my findings my shorlisted model will either be the Pana BD60 or the BDP-320 rclxms.gif

really jialat just got to know sold-out 4units of BD60 at RM950 ( think tis is the price they deduct from the LCD package deal )

and now considering BD 320 at RM2200 FOC 2pcs BD against the BD60 at RM1100  whistling.gif
looking at the internals, I really dun see how the BD320 can be worth 1100 more than the BD60.. biggrin.gif if you want bargain, then it's a no brainer to go with the panny..
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 19 2009, 11:14 PM)
looking at the internals, I really dun see how the BD320 can be worth 1100 more than the BD60..  biggrin.gif  if you want bargain, then it's a no brainer to go with the panny..
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i can only say it all boils down to the Circuit Design and components used, like Transport, Integrated Circuts, Capacitors , inductors, embedded chips etc

Its Technology my fren smile.gif
thats what i thought too, if can get again at RM950, immediately buy liao biggrin.gif
just now my dealer want take me buy adi, cc call the other side sold out liao,

he too advise me go for panny, wait for technology to be stable 1st then luk c again tongue.gif


Added on August 19, 2009, 11:39 pmYa la hur... how come the panny so many cables running ge rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 19 2009, 11:29 PM)
i can only say it all boils down to the Circuit Design and components used, like Transport, Integrated Circuts, Capacitors , inductors, embedded chips etc

Its Technology my fren smile.gif
bro.. I'm in this line of business la..apart from the main IC, the other passive components used on the circuit boards (which affect the analog portion of the player) shown in the pix doesn't look like anything special..


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Added on August 19, 2009, 11:39 pmYa la hur... how come the panny so many cables running ge  rclxub.gif
the light brown phenolic PCB is the power board with a SMPS power supply and high frequency ferrite switching transformer..

the wires power the green board where the circuits are..

then you can see the 2 sets of flexi FPC cables from the green PCB going under the BD-rom drive..

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QUOTE(Bishop @ Aug 19 2009, 01:07 PM)
Can I ask where you got the pricing from?

I read that the previous model reduced price 80Gb to US299 but that is the same price as the new PS3 slim not cheaper.

If they drop the RM900, that would be the cheapest BD player around...
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how do you know old fat ps3 will be rm 900 in msia?? who told you? plz state the source dont compare price to usa


Added on August 20, 2009, 3:16 amhello i also want to know if i import a blu ray player from amazon usa do i have to pay taxes ??

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I am a movie/AV geek, thought you guys already know that? Did you guys know the brand DENON originated from the company name Denki Onkyo? tongue.gif

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oh dear god, now 90% confirmed on BD60 liao biggrin.gif

was thinking wat de hack,

DVD upsampling no good...... but i can let my bloody yammy 3900 (Anchorbay 2010 chipset... same chip with the well renown Oppo 83) )do the upscaling ma right,

also from the KLIAVS i see many BD-60 performing demo (pana booth) on 60"plasma to the biggest projector oso ok ma ... rite,

As for the CD Audio if really cannot, then use hidef HDMI output, or just keep my Mc'Cormack CD Player

so guess my quest for a BD player for about 2months will end today rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 20 2009, 11:49 AM)
oh dear god, now 90% confirmed on BD60 liao  biggrin.gif

was thinking wat de hack,

DVD upsampling no good...... but i can let my bloody yammy 3900 (Anchorbay 2010 chipset... same chip with the well renown Oppo 83) )do the upscaling ma right,

also from the KLIAVS i see many BD-60 performing demo (pana booth) on 60"plasma to the biggest projector oso ok ma ... rite,

As for the CD Audio if really cannot, then use hidef HDMI output, or just keep my Mc'Cormack CD Player

so guess my quest for a BD player for about 2months will end today  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 20 2009, 11:49 AM)
oh dear god, now 90% confirmed on BD60 liao  biggrin.gif

was thinking wat de hack,

DVD upsampling no good...... but i can let my bloody yammy 3900 (Anchorbay 2010 chipset... same chip with the well renown Oppo 83) )do the upscaling ma right,

also from the KLIAVS i see many BD-60 performing demo (pana booth) on 60"plasma to the biggest projector oso ok ma ... rite,

As for the CD Audio if really cannot, then use hidef HDMI output, or just keep my Mc'Cormack CD Player

so guess my quest for a BD player for about 2months will end today  rclxms.gif
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I think u r good to go. Use the old DVD player, the CD player and the new BD60 and all will be well.


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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 19 2009, 10:42 PM)
anyway, Oppo 83, Customer service is really excellent,
within a day, all queries answered

- latest pricing S$1060~ moded or region free unit~ excluding tax of 30%
- Shipping to Ipoh via SpeedPost/EMS courier costs S$90
- for tax clearance purposes, Invoice can be marked down 15-20% of S$1060 = 848 X 30%tax = S$254

that will be 1060(RP)+254(30%tax)+90(courier) =S$1404 X est 2.4 = RM3369.00

at RM3K this oppo should be group with pioneer LX71 or the coming LX72 for a fair review

BD-60/, especially BD80, pioneer 51FD, 320 and LX52 depends (how you analyse) will loose to Oppo 83 by just a slight margin

As Pioneer 51FD=pioneer 320, and given that scenerio, i opt for the BDP-320 as the difference is only RM400 ( you get slightly better PQ and AQ, 2 channel stereo, DVD upscale, not to mention BD-live.

As the BDP-320 is equipped with 1GB SD Ram, hopefully the next couple of FW upgrades, will solve the DVD 2-3 sec change over and better load times. smile.gif 

base on my findings my shorlisted model will either be the Pana BD60 or the BDP-320 rclxms.gif

really jialat just got to know sold-out 4units of BD60 at RM950 ( think tis is the price they deduct from the LCD package deal )

and now considering BD 320 at RM2200 FOC 2pcs BD against the BD60 at RM1100  whistling.gif


Added on August 19, 2009, 10:53 pm
i get what you mean, i seriously think that its wrongly commented. its not uncommon as thats what ppl think

to me everything inside the casing is perfectly calibrated and hook-up for test results,

its the same as Speakers, you have beautiful, expensive, gold-plated, biding post to very expansive cross-overs, but the link to the speaker drivers is usually a "jialat" cable
BUT to a lot of "Sin Kar's" they swap/alter that cable ....so the end result.... you are not getting what the manufacturers/designers want you to hear smile.gif
yes, wunderbar!!!
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The prices for the Oppo are higher as compared to the rest of the players especially with the tax....

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 20 2009, 11:55 AM)
I think u r good to go. Use the old DVD player, the CD player and the new BD60 and all will be well.
that should have been the main option from day 1, not the pioneer route.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 11:58 AM)
that should have been the main option from day 1, not the pioneer route..  tongue.gif
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Thanks to all my sifu's sharing their dedicated, time, briefing, explanation, to the extent of searching for valuable infos' to suppliment their verdict, not to mention...EVEN..in the wee hours of the morning
a big Thank You, Terima Kasih, hontoni arigatou gojaimas notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

To be frank, Pioneer 51FD, 320, it is a very very good BD player, they still hold their honour as best outstanding BD player in its range (not to bring Oppo 83 at 3K+ as comparison)
if its not for the Yammy 3900 ABT 2010 chip i would have gone for the Pioneer smile.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 20 2009, 12:21 PM)
Thanks to all my sifu's sharing their dedicated, time, briefing, explanation, to the extent of searching for valuable infos' to suppliment their verdict, not to mention...EVEN..in the wee hours of the morning
a big Thank You, Terima Kasih, hontoni arigatou gojaimas  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

To be frank, Pioneer 51FD, 320, it is a very very good BD player, they still hold their honour as best outstanding BD player in its range (not to bring Oppo 83 at 3K+ as comparison)
if its not for the Yammy 3900 ABT 2010 chip i would have gone for the Pioneer smile.gif
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so what time your new toy? brows.gif
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haha! you noticed, wee hours..  tongue.gif
so what time your new toy?  brows.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 10 2009, 11:41 PM)
another day another low cost USD188 BD player..  thumbup.gif
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i'm in jb..huhu...
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QUOTE(kaka_89 @ Aug 20 2009, 02:18 PM)
where can i get this player bro..

i'm in jb..huhu...
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hopefully can get today via "jchong" haha
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 20 2009, 03:50 PM)
Unfortunately, the regular lowyat suppliers out of stock sad.gif
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ya lor, really jialat lor, mind set on BD-60 liao, wait a while 1st
if really dont have and if have to buy at RM1400 (panashop) definitely not sen-Q or senhen at RM1999,
then will not hesitate to take the BDP-320 tongue.gif

sen-Q want to clear their BD-30 at RM900 any takers??
heard BD-61 coming.... any feedback

bro jchong, touch down ipoh adi tongue.gif

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 20 2009, 07:29 PM)
ya lor, really jialat lor, mind set on BD-60 liao, wait a while 1st
if really dont have and if have to buy at RM1400 (panashop) definitely not sen-Q or senhen at RM1999,
then will not hesitate to take the BDP-320 tongue.gif

sen-Q want to clear their BD-30 at RM900  any takers??
heard BD-61 coming.... any feedback

bro jchong, touch down ipoh adi tongue.gif
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how about the other forumer here who was selling 900-1000?

also what BDP were you using before considering this pioneer/panny thing?
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how about the other forumer here who was selling 900-1000?

also what BDP were you using before considering this pioneer/panny thing?
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did not own any BDP yet, only dvico 4000p and pioneer DVD DV-383 ( non Hdmi and upscale player)
as for the DVD, i didnt even use component, just use s-video hook to yammy 3900, PQ very good also le rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 20 2009, 10:18 PM)
courtesy of bro jchong.... check for me adi (quite long name "isxxxxxxxxxx" something)

did not own any BDP yet, only dvico 4000p and pioneer DVD DV-383 ( non Hdmi and upscale player)
as for the DVD, i didnt even use component, just use s-video hook to yammy 3900, PQ very good also le rclxms.gif
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oh.. no wonder ask so many question about BDP.. tongue.gif once you have one, then you will know the difference between the high end 3k player and normal budget 1k Panny isn't night and day as far as PQ/AQ of BD playback is concern.. biggrin.gif
infact getting a new 3k telly like the S10 would make more sense.. as far as PQ improvement is concern..
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 10:26 PM)
oh.. no wonder ask so many question about BDP..  tongue.gif  once you have one, then you will know the difference between the high end 3k player and normal budget 1k Panny isn't night and day as far as PQ/AQ of BD playback is concern..  biggrin.gif
infact getting a new 3k telly like the S10 would make more sense..  as far as PQ improvement is concern..
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could it be the high-end ones has better colours, more 3 dimensional, and depth,

wat i mean by depth is at a glance you really can differentiate who's in front and who's at the back
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 20 2009, 10:47 PM)
could it be the high-end ones has better colours, more 3 dimensional, and depth,

wat i mean by depth is at a glance you really can differentiate who's in front and who's at the back
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it could be, but the display affects the PQ more than the BDP (as far as watching blu-rays with 1080p content is concern)... so without upgrading the display then IMHO, no point to bother about comparing high end players and mid range ones.. I mean if you don't have full HD TV, why compare colors and what not when you are already compressing the resolution of the image (major reduction of PQ quality) to begin with..

of coz if talking about DVDs then different story.... cos other things in the DVD player circuitry like upscaling/interlacing etc comes to play)
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 10:56 PM)
it could be, but the display affects the PQ more than the BDP (as far as watching blu-rays with 1080p content is concern)... so without upgrading the display then IMHO, no point to bother about comparing high end players and mid range ones..  I mean if you don't have full HD TV, why compare colors and what not when you are already compressing the resolution of the image (major reduction of PQ quality) to begin with..

of coz if talking about DVDs then different story.... cos other things in the DVD player circuitry like upscaling/interlacing etc comes to play)
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yup i got wat you mean smile.gif
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glad we on the same page.. smile.gif

anyway sigh! you didn't manage to get the BD60 today..or else can start playing with your new toy.. biggrin.gif

how many BDs lined up to test test? tongue.gif
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hi i want to know whats the cheapest but latest blu ray player available in msia?? the 2009 models i mean.

from US the cheapest ones from 2009 are

magnavox usd 98
meijer USD 129
vizio usd 178

sharp bd22u usd 173
lg bd270 usd 182
panasonic bd 60 usd 195
pioneer 120 u usd 199
sony bds-360 usd 208
samsung bdp-1600 usd 219

these are the cheapest and latest 2009 models from good known brands from amazon are anyone of them available in MSIA except bd60?
what about sharp bd-22u and lg bd270 are they here.
can anyone list the current prices of 2009 models in msia??
also if i import from amazon do i have to pay taxes??
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 20 2009, 11:41 PM)
glad we on the same page..  smile.gif

anyway sigh! you didn't manage to get the BD60 today..or else can start playing with your new toy..  biggrin.gif

how many BDs lined up to test test?  tongue.gif
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Hey moomoos, you seen this: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1137855 ?
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 21 2009, 05:33 PM)
Hey moomoos, you seen this: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1137855 ?
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yeap think seen tis two days back..... that day say no bitstream, now got bitstream

observing, observing, looks very interesting... thks
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moomoos just get this mcIntosh BDP.. thumbup.gif
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the ones i listed all is profile 2 except magnavox and if i import here do i have to pay taxes??
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the ones i listed all is profile 2 except magnavox and if i import here do i have to pay taxes??
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Depends on your luck. By right for packages valued above RM500 can be taxed. But like I said, mandi bunga first for good luck. I didn't do that but thank God there was no tax when I bought my BD35. biggrin.gif
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remember that tax is on cif price inc. Freight cost. So Heavy airfreight or courier items may still kena tax even if below 500 for ex work retail pricing.
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moomoos just get this mcIntosh BDP..  thumbup.gif
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bro... thanks..... but dont jack me up so high la...

the Mc's didn't even cross my mind ( how good can it be with that amount....c i didnt even know it exist, i knew lexicon @ USD3999 only )

even tho can afford oso, will never consider, welll my affordabel range till the OPPO 83 level nia biggrin.gif
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key word is can afford. Thats why i c u so up! smile.gif

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remember that tax is on cif price inc. Freight cost. So Heavy airfreight or courier items may still kena tax even if below 500 for ex work retail pricing.
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Yes of course. I think we all know that already. biggrin.gif
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trial and error find out? tongue.gif
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key word is can afford. Thats why i c u so up! smile.gif
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but typo error la.... the fault of the "fingers" is not the fault of the mind la biggrin.gif

phew..!!!! must really re-check few times wat i type b4 posting le biggrin.gif
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(wannabe) blu-ray Player with PC internals.. biggrin.gif
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Saw that at AV show....pretty cool and pretty expensive.
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(wannabe) blu-ray  Player with PC internals..  biggrin.gif
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Haha Wall-e resemblance

Guess the Director must have like Wall-E very much biggrin.gif

Basket.... that expensive.... LCD pun takda

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Haha Wall-e resemblance

Guess the Director must have like Wall-E very much biggrin.gif

Basket.... that expensive.... LCD pun takda
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it's just a HTPC case, but they silkscreen the blu-ray on the optical drive tray cover.. main attraction kua.. biggrin.gif
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it's just a HTPC case, but they silkscreen the blu-ray on the optical drive tray cover.. main attraction kua..  biggrin.gif
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around 4k??
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around 4k??
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no la.. USD200 -220 for the case.. the internals up to you la..
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bd35 you brought from amazon?
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bro aiman04 so lucky, maybe he's the 1st person that got it tax free, and 1st person to play BD rclxms.gif
that time ketam also dont know whta BD is biggrin.gif

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bro aiman04 so lucky, maybe he's the 1st person that got it tax free, and 1st person to play BD rclxms.gif
that time ketam also dont know whta BD is biggrin.gif
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i thought that person were you  thumbup.gif
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biggrin.gif I think it was RX... I remember he always buy wan 2007 dat time..
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biggrin.gif  I think it was RX... I remember he always buy wan 2007 dat time..
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so any one bought b4 year 2008 ( anyone to care to pen in ) rclxms.gif

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i think everyone wont telling.. all like to keep low profile
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bro aiman04 so lucky, maybe he's the 1st person that got it tax free, and 1st person to play BD rclxms.gif
that time ketam also dont know whta BD is biggrin.gif
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Not the first person to get it tax free, I bought the BD35 November last year. I used DHL at that time. No tax, no hassle whatsoever. I still remember, arrived in Subang airport around 8.00am, and in my hands around 9.30am. My first BD player was the PS3, which I still own.

And certainly not the first to play BD lah. My first BD was Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl in July 2007, around the same time I register with LYN. At that time, rx330 was still one of the BD sifus, with others like ar188 himself, PrinceOfPersia, edvpc, corez, mpyw, megatron007and many others. Also not forgetting the legendary Sunauto as well. tongue.gif

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2008 FEB... look back about 1.5years

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i joined BD very late la

2008 FEB... look back about 1.5years

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My first BD was Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl in July 2007
My first BD is David Foster n Friends bought at Speedo a day before I got my BDP and also a day before 2009 AV Fair. Pretty easy to remember that.
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My first BD is David Foster n Friends bought at Speedo a day before I got my BDP and also a day before 2009 AV Fair. Pretty easy to remember that.
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now you cant even keep track how many BD you have , right? whistling.gif
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I bought my first blu-ray disc in March 2007. I remember becos it was the same time i bought my PS3 on the first day of launch. But my collection hardly grow like all the elites here. that time, busy collecting hd-dvd! tongue.gif bought the wrong horse. lol.
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Rough estimate rclxms.gif BDP ....."Family Tree" ????

1 ~ March 2007 PS3 ~ terranova
2 ~ July 2007 PS3 ~ aiman04
~ Feb 2008 BD35 ~ aiman04
3 ~ Feb 2008 ~ megatron007
4 ~ July 24th 2009 BD60 ~ arremie
5 ~ April 2009 BD60 ~ jchong
6 ~ April 2009 BD60 ~ nakata101
7 ~ June 2009 LX-52 ~ ronnt88



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Hi there.

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Hi there.

Just bought bd60 few day ago. Kinda of  new in this area. Bought and rent a few bd's from forummers here. Still experimenting the setting on my avr and the player.
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welcome to the dark side... rclxms.gif
so how the experience with the BD?
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welcome to the dark side...  rclxms.gif
so how the experience with the BD?
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Thanks. Definitely major improvement on PQ and AQ and its true reading in other forums that once you're in there's no turning back.The only setback is that my avr(yammy 1600) can only convert to 1080i.

I'm not very good in writing the review lor.

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QUOTE(robinlim @ Aug 23 2009, 10:37 PM)
I joined the 'blu' side January this year
Got my Sony BDP-S350 from a forummer

I bought my first BD even before I owned a BDP laugh.gif
It is Transformers
Bought from aiman04 bro biggrin.gif
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My first BDs were B2F1 Black Hawk Down, Blood Diamond & 28 Weeks Later back in Jan 2008; however, my PS3 was only purchased in Nov 2008 blush.gif rclxub.gif
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Rough estimate rclxms.gif BDP ....."Family Tree" ????

ar188, PrinceOfPersia, edvpc, corez, mpyw, htkaki, sunato,Anfieldude,rthj,rx330,g5sim,WereWolf84,HornyAngMoh

1 ~ March 2007 ~ PS3 ~ terranova
2 ~ July 2007 ~ PS3 ~ aiman04
~ Feb 2008 ~ BD35 ~ aiman04
4 ~ Nov 2008 ~ PS3 ~ geforce1999
5 ~ Jan 2009 ~ BDP-S350 ~ robinlim
6 ~ April 2009 ~ BD60 ~ jchong
7 ~ April 2009 ~ BD60 ~ nakata101
8 ~ June 2009 ~ LX-52 ~ ronnt88
9 ~ July 23rd 2009 ~ BD60 ~ arremie
10 ~ Aug 2009 ~ BD60 ~ maja_5365
11 ~ Aug 2009 ~ BD60 ~ low98944


XX) ~ Sept 2009 1stchoice BD60, 2nd BDP-320, 3rd LX-52 ~ moomoos

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Sorry if this is stated b4

Manage to try a DVD Audio disc on this Blu Player (DMP-BD60) and it plays. Because it was NOT stated on the manual etc I thought it wouldn't, but it does!

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Sorry if this is stated b4

Manage to try a DVD Audio disc on this Blu Player (DMP-BD60) and it plays. Because it was NOT stated on the manual etc I thought it wouldn't, but it does!

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wou... then its really a plus for DB-60 owners rclxms.gif
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BD60 can play DVD right? What's so surprising if it can play DVD-A? hmm.gif
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BD60 can play DVD right? What's so surprising if it can play DVD-A? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Mov_freak @ Aug 24 2009, 12:36 AM)
Sorry if this is stated b4

Manage to try a DVD Audio disc on this Blu Player (DMP-BD60) and it plays. Because it was NOT stated on the manual etc I thought it wouldn't, but it does!

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All if not most DVD-A have a lossy core in the DVD-Video portion of the disc (Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1). On a player that has the hardware that can handle proper DVD-A it will play the lossless portion (96kHz/16bit or higher for all channels)
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Mitsubishi Blu-ray Player to Broadcast 2D Movies in 3D
http://gizmodo.com/292940/mitsubishi-blu+r...2d-movies-in-3d
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=422

this was posted in 2007, how come we dont see such players around?? rclxub.gif


Added on August 25, 2009, 9:17 am
PS3 Slim Already Outdated by 3D Blu-ray

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Added on August 25, 2009, 9:25 amPanasonic To Release a 3D Blu-ray Player

http://www.giant-buyer.co.uk/panasonic/pan...-blu-ray-player

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with the event of upcoming 3D BD players... do they ship with 3D glasses or do we have to purchase them separately at RM500 each?? sweat.gif That's what I'm really wondering...
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with the event of upcoming 3D BD players... do they ship with 3D glasses or do we have to purchase them separately at RM500 each?? sweat.gif That's what I'm really wondering...
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this was annouced a couple of years back with 3D TVs..... problem is most sources are still 2D so i guess its neva gonna hit the market anytime soon. BTW, the TVs display everything in 3D. Looks cool but you will prob need lots of Panadol beside u when u watch TV then......

The glasses come with the TV itself ( perhaps player also, not too sure)
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QUOTE(wackojacko @ Aug 25 2009, 04:21 PM)
this was annouced a couple of years back with 3D TVs..... problem is most sources are still 2D so i guess its neva gonna hit the market anytime soon. BTW, the TVs display everything in 3D. Looks cool but you will prob need lots of Panadol beside u when u watch TV then......

The glasses come with the TV itself ( perhaps player also, not too sure)
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Hello bluray enthusiasists.

What's the best blu ray player under RM1000 price range?

I've been quoted a player of RM600++ but they say it will have a lagg time of 1 min to read the disc before playing it.

Is this normal or should I take a look at other models? I read that pana BD-60 is quite famous around the forumners.

Thanks
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Hello bluray enthusiasists.

What's the best blu ray player under RM1000 price range?

I've been quoted a player of RM600++  but they say it will have a lagg time of 1 min to read the disc before playing it.

Is this normal or should I take a look at other models? I read that pana BD-60 is quite famous around the forumners.

Thanks
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you sure??? or u refering to 2nd hand Profile 1.0 players ??

RM1,000 couldnt get you any NEW BD players,

please share if there really is, thkq biggrin.gif

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you sure??? or u refering to 2nd hand Profile 1.0 players ??

RM1,000 couldnt get you any NEW BD players,

please share if there really is, thkq biggrin.gif
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can get la.
new one.
old stock la
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can get la.
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models please, brother think shud be profile 1.0 players

mana dapat, "pat" a bit 1st hehe biggrin.gif
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models please, brother think shud be profile 1.0 players

mana dapat, "pat" a bit 1st hehe biggrin.gif
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Haha. Well I don't know the models should be Sharp I guess. I once saw a Sony model too.

But like you guys said, they are old models.

So, what about this profile 1.0 ?
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 25 2009, 10:13 PM)
models please, brother think shud be profile 1.0 players

mana dapat, "pat" a bit 1st hehe biggrin.gif
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i think is sharp.
i dont know the exact model. u ask bro cmw_kwl_6923
he is the one bought it.


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QUOTE(snowfire64 @ Aug 25 2009, 10:23 PM)
Haha. Well I don't know the models should be Sharp I guess. I once saw a Sony model too.

But like you guys said, they are old models.

So, what about this profile 1.0 ?
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9808376-1.html


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Got my bd60 for 1k fr forummer here. smile.gif
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you r one of the lucky ones, no more adi
i am sourcing for one oso biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 25 2009, 10:35 PM)
Heh thanks for info. I guess profile 1.0 is a no no since I have my ps3. Now need a new player to replace the ps3 as a blu ray player.

But, as I said earlier, tight on the budget. So the top budget bd-player is still BD-60? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(snowfire64 @ Aug 25 2009, 10:40 PM)
Heh thanks for info. I guess profile 1.0 is a no no since I have my ps3. Now need a new player to replace the ps3 as a blu ray player.

But, as I said earlier, tight on the budget. So the top budget bd-player is still BD-60? hmm.gif
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or the coming PS3 slim biggrin.gif
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Well visit Sony Centre today and saw the SONY BDP-S360 Blu-ray player.

Support BD Live + All HD sound codec (include DTS MA).

Sell at RM1888, good buy?

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 25 2009, 10:50 PM)
or the coming PS3 slim  biggrin.gif
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Heh. I'll stick to the thick one smile.gif

QUOTE(ngks @ Aug 25 2009, 10:55 PM)
Well visit Sony Centre today and saw the SONY BDP-S360 Blu-ray player.

Support BD Live + All HD sound codec (include DTS MA).

Sell at RM1888, good buy?
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Hm. That's the cheapest model?

BTW, I have a question. Does the blu ray players play part in supporting the HD sound codec? Since the thick ps3 don't support the HD sound codec, I'm opting for a stand alone BD player to solve the problem.

OR, if I have an AVR that supports the HD sound codec, will it make a difference between using a ps3 with the AVR or a stand alone BD player with the AVR?
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Heh. I'll stick to the thick one smile.gif
Hm. That's the cheapest model?

BTW, I have a question. Does the blu ray players play part in supporting the HD sound codec? Since the thick ps3 don't support the HD sound codec, I'm opting for a stand alone BD player to solve the problem.

OR, if I have an AVR that supports the HD sound codec, will it make a difference between using a ps3 with the AVR or a stand alone BD player with the AVR?
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cheapest model retail shop,
Pana BD-60 RM14xx
Sony s350 RM14xx

mention many times in this thread, think PS3 cant stream HD codecs .... really cant recall
(sorry really dont like PS3, thats y just glance tru only... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif )

think some sifu's will reply u afterwards..
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 25 2009, 11:14 PM)
cheapest model retail shop,
Pana BD-60 RM14xx
Sony s350 RM14xx

mention many times in this thread, think PS3 cant stream HD codecs .... really cant recall
(sorry really dont like PS3, thats y just glance tru only... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif )

think some sifu's will reply u afterwards..
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have to wait for PS3 slim to bitstream both HD codecs... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 25 2009, 11:14 PM)
cheapest model retail shop,
Pana BD-60 RM14xx
Sony s350 RM14xx

mention many times in this thread, think PS3 cant stream HD codecs .... really cant recall
(sorry really dont like PS3, thats y just glance tru only... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif )

think some sifu's will reply u afterwards..
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The Sony S350 is selling for RM999 at the Curve Sony Centre, IIANM.
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QUOTE(horray @ Aug 26 2009, 12:41 AM)
The Sony S350 is selling for RM999 at the Curve Sony Centre, IIANM.
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really a good by then... hehe considering
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QUOTE(horray @ Aug 26 2009, 12:41 AM)
The Sony S350 is selling for RM999 at the Curve Sony Centre, IIANM.
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from rrp 2499 to 999 in less than a year doh.gif

maybe can get as a second player for bedroom hmm.gif
plus this is the only recommended player that can play all the rm48 uncle ho bd tongue.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 12:59 AM)
from rrp 2499 to 999 in less than a year doh.gif

maybe can get as a second player for bedroom hmm.gif
plus this is the only recommended player that can play all the rm48 uncle ho bd tongue.gif
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who recommended?
other player cant play uncle ho bd well? sweat.gif
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Ok, based on my own knowledge (but dunno correct or not)

Sony have launch the new BDP-S360, sucessor to S350, which support DTS Master Audio.
But as my understanding, these BD player do not decode any surround sound, they just "bitstream" to external decoder/amplifier.
Unless those expensive high-end player with built-in decoder + analog speaker out.

BD player + BD disc (HD audio) + normal TV = normal stereo sound*.
*Doesn't matter wat sound you choose, standard Dolby or HD audio

BD player + BD disc (HD audio) + amplifier/decoder + optical cable = standard Dolby/DTS surround sound*
*Optical cable can't transfer HD audio signal, bandwidth not enough.

BD player + BD disc (HD audio) + amplifier/decoder + HDMI cable = HD audio sound*

HD audio have many format, such as:
DTS HD
DTS Master Audio
Dolby Digital TruHD
Dolby Digital Plus (Seen it in HD DVD, not sure of Blu-ray)
Uncompress LPCM (Linear PCM)

Depend on the supported codec from the BD player/Amplifier/Decoder/HDMI cable version to acheive full quality.

Even HDMI cable version will affect, such as ver.1.2 or ver.1.3a or blah blah blah...

So make no mistake that it is so complicated to get the right sound.

And I heard new firmware upgrade for PS3 can bitstream HD audio like Dolby TruHD, will confim for you guys later.






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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 12:59 AM)
from rrp 2499 to 999 in less than a year doh.gif

maybe can get as a second player for bedroom hmm.gif
plus this is the only recommended player that can play all the rm48 uncle ho bd tongue.gif
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soree lazy to check
has the firmware upgarde solved the HD DTS MA issue
thanks... looking for a quickie smile.gif
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QUOTE(ngks @ Aug 26 2009, 01:05 AM)
And I heard new firmware upgrade for PS3 can bitstream HD audio like Dolby TruHD, will confim for you guys later.
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I thought I heard before that current PS3 Hardware is unable to do bitstream of HD Audio even with firmware ?

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 01:09 AM)
soree lazy to check
has the firmware upgarde solved the HD DTS MA issue
thanks... looking for a quickie smile.gif
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Nope
latest firmware for sony s350 still can't decode DTS-HDMA
it only solves my 'problematic' T2 Skynet Edition issue biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 26 2009, 01:01 AM)
who recommended?
other player cant play uncle ho bd well? sweat.gif
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Panasonic BD60 very poor with Uncle Ho BD-R.

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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 12:59 AM)
from rrp 2499 to 999 in less than a year doh.gif
doh.gif doh.gif


Added on August 26, 2009, 1:32 am
QUOTE(ngks @ Aug 26 2009, 01:05 AM)
Ok, based on my own knowledge (but dunno correct or not)

Sony have launch the new BDP-S360, sucessor to S350, which support DTS Master Audio.
But as my understanding, these BD player do not decode any surround sound, they just "bitstream" to external decoder/amplifier.
Unless those expensive high-end player with built-in decoder + analog speaker out.
BDP which can support TrueHD & DTS-HDMA means they can do internal decoding lar
just like PS3
not just high end players can do internal decoding

player with analog speaker out is for those old avrs which can't decode HD-audios

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this bdp-s350 still got bundling with BD's at that RM999.00

so it doesnt decode, but when bitstream to AVR its does HD-DTS MA right

checking out, seems no 2 channel analog out too
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Heh. I'll stick to the thick one smile.gif
Hm. That's the cheapest model?

BTW, I have a question. Does the blu ray players play part in supporting the HD sound codec? Since the thick ps3 don't support the HD sound codec, I'm opting for a stand alone BD player to solve the problem.

OR, if I have an AVR that supports the HD sound codec, will it make a difference between using a ps3 with the AVR or a stand alone BD player with the AVR?
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The PS3 can't bitstream HD audio to AVR, but it can decode the HD Audio first (LPCM) and then send to AVR. That means the AVR don't even need a HD audio decoder, BUT it must be able to accept the decoded LPCM HD audio sound from the PS3 via HDMI (some older AVR can't accept decoded HD Audio through HDMI). For your info, decoded HD audio and bitstream HD Audio is the same quality , both Lossless.

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Good, good, so many sifu here. Keep posting, so we can learn more about this "HD Audio" !! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 26 2009, 01:01 AM)
who recommended?
other player cant play uncle ho bd well? sweat.gif
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recommended by uncle ho's nephews laugh.gif

my bd60 can't play uncle ho's stuff. i tried 3 different movies from different distributors all unable to load movie. can only load the intro only. s350 can read all 3 movies. anyway better off buy from amazon. can get less than rm60 per title with bulk order. ori some more. why pay rm48 for fake and lousy stuff.
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QUOTE(ngks @ Aug 26 2009, 01:05 AM)
Ok, based on my own knowledge (but dunno correct or not)

Sony have launch the new BDP-S360, sucessor to S350, which support DTS Master Audio.
But as my understanding, these BD player do not decode any surround sound, they just "bitstream" to external decoder/amplifier.
Unless those expensive high-end player with built-in decoder + analog speaker out.

BD player + BD disc (HD audio) + normal TV = normal stereo sound*.
*Doesn't matter wat sound you choose, standard Dolby or HD audio

BD player + BD disc (HD audio) + amplifier/decoder + optical cable = standard Dolby/DTS surround sound*
*Optical cable can't transfer HD audio signal, bandwidth not enough.

BD player + BD disc (HD audio) + amplifier/decoder + HDMI cable = HD audio sound*

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Thanks for the info.

From what you have wrote, the BD player does not effect the HD audio sound regardless of using a rm900+ and rm2000+ BD players if I have an AVR (which supports HD audio codec) and a HDMI cable?


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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 05:21 AM)
recommended by uncle ho's nephews laugh.gif

my bd60 can't play uncle ho's stuff. i tried 3 different movies from different distributors all unable to load movie. can only load the intro only. s350 can read all 3 movies. anyway better off buy from amazon. can get less than rm60 per title with bulk order. ori some more. why pay rm48 for fake and lousy stuff.
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wahh power wer.... i never load any DVD... neither unker ho / unker lim/ nor original tongue.gif
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Those are single layer BDs la, not DVD
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QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 26 2009, 01:36 AM)
The PS3 can't bitstream HD audio to AVR, but it can decode the HD Audio first (LPCM) and then send to AVR. That means the AVR don't even need a HD audio decoder, BUT it must be able to accept the decoded LPCM HD audio sound from the PS3 via HDMI (some older AVR can't accept decoded HD Audio through HDMI). For your info, decoded HD audio and bitstream HD Audio is the same quality , both Lossless.
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In theory they should both be the same quality, but I do perceive differences between PS3 sending LPCM HD Audio vs BD60 bitstreaming HD Audio (the latter is better sounding). Only thing I can think of is that my AVR is doing a better job decoding the HD Audio than the PS3.
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 26 2009, 10:04 AM)
In theory they should both be the same quality, but I do perceive differences between PS3 sending LPCM HD Audio vs BD60 bitstreaming HD Audio (the latter is better sounding). Only thing I can think of is that my AVR is doing a better job decoding the HD Audio than the PS3.
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that's what most of the ps3 users complaining about
can only send as LPCM cannot does bitstream
cannot fully ustilize the avr to decode HD-audios

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 26 2009, 01:36 AM)
The PS3 can't bitstream HD audio to AVR, but it can decode the HD Audio first (LPCM) and then send to AVR. That means the AVR don't even need a HD audio decoder, BUT it must be able to accept the decoded LPCM HD audio sound from the PS3 via HDMI (some older AVR can't accept decoded HD Audio through HDMI). For your info, decoded HD audio and bitstream HD Audio is the same quality , both Lossless.
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QUOTE(snowfire64 @ Aug 26 2009, 05:25 AM)
Thanks for the info.

From what you have wrote, the BD player does not effect the HD audio sound regardless of using a rm900+ and rm2000+ BD players if I have an AVR (which supports HD audio codec) and a HDMI cable?
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 26 2009, 10:04 AM)
In theory they should both be the same quality, but I do perceive differences between PS3 sending LPCM HD Audio vs BD60 bitstreaming HD Audio (the latter is better sounding). Only thing I can think of is that my AVR is doing a better job decoding the HD Audio than the PS3.
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wou...too "theory-garised" le

in layman terms, hopefully someone can shed some light

PS3 send signal to AVR
BD-60 oso send signal (same format) to AVR

so which is better smile.gif
1) a normal AVR
2) a state of the art AVR

so does tis imply to all BD players that cant stream or decode HD signals internally
seriously really dont undersatnd, some output PCM and some LPCM ( are this different signals)

in depth anthology....so here it goes,... we take

1) BD player decode and stream hd signals thru HDMI to AVR

2) BD player decode PCM /LPCM stream thru HDMI to AVR( this possible or am i illusionising rclxub.gif )
(eg sony BDP-S350 cant decode DTS-HD MA but uses AVR to decode)

3) BD player decode multi analog out to multi channel input of AVR


4) BD player pass thru multi analog and OLD AVR w/o HDMIdo the processing

comparing 1 to 2 and also 3 to 4 which would better
and oso 1 and 4

thanks, hope i am not too long winded, think many forumers who dont know how to ask, would just like to know which is better os is it the same
thanks banyak2

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doesn't matter decoding or bitstreaming....bd60 whoop ps3's a$$. so just leave it at that tongue.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 05:21 AM)
recommended by uncle ho's nephews laugh.gif

my bd60 can't play uncle ho's stuff. i tried 3 different movies from different distributors all unable to load movie. can only load the intro only. s350 can read all 3 movies. anyway better off buy from amazon. can get less than rm60 per title with bulk order. ori some more. why pay rm48 for fake and lousy stuff.
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i see...
so you go some uncle ho BD la? come, borrow some for me to test.
curious about the quality.

i cannot get RM60 per title from amazon lo whistling.gif
new title movie all above rm80 sweat.gif


Added on August 26, 2009, 10:45 am
QUOTE(robinlim @ Aug 26 2009, 10:11 AM)
that's what most of the ps3 users complaining about
can only bitstream
cannot fully ustilize the avr to decode HD-audios
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ps3 cannot bitstream

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i see...
so you go some uncle ho BD la? come, borrow some for me to test.
curious about the quality.
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i dont have. as i said my bd60 cant play those so no point for me to buy. the 3 that i tried already returned to the nephew and exchange with dvd instead. uncle ho's bd only 25gb no matter what the movie is.
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 10:34 AM)
doesn't matter decoding or bitstreaming....bd60 whoop ps3's a$$. so just leave it at that tongue.gif
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between the 2, BD-60 or PS3, doesn't matter if your TV can't display all the data from the BD's 1080p signal.. biggrin.gif

so the advise is upgrade Tv before we talk about the minute differences between BD players.. tongue.gif
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I will try to answer this as simple as I can put it.

1stly, audio stream decoding.

Decoding of the Audio codecs can be either done in the BD player or the AVR.

After decoding the audio stream is in LPCM (Liner PCM, all channels have the same bits). The older PS3s hardware did not allow it to bitstream the raw lossless codecs. However, it had enough processing power to decode it to LPCM and send out the lossless data to the AVR. However, the general consensus is that possible the equalization that it carries out is not as good as the equalization that is done by the AVR during decoding. This is still being debated. One of the areas that are obvious is that for Dolby streams there is normally a dialogue normalization, among others.

Normally, BD players can decode all the streams and send out LPCM (comparable to PS3) if they have enuf processing power. The DTSHDMA that seems to require the most processing is the stream that if any the BD player cannot normally decode. However, all standalone BD players out there can bitstream the raw codecs for your AVR to decode. Most newer BD players, can decode all streams and send out LPCM or they can bitstream.

Mostly, all BD players that have analogue outs can decode all the streams and send out the individiual channels to the AVR. The only problem with this is how the bass management is handled. Some BDs have the ability to adjust this, some will not.

To explain the differences between a high end AVR and mid range AVR, in most cases the higher end AVR usually has more power thus making it easier to drive your speakers. Also normally, the high end AVRs mostly always have multi point room correction. This is an important function of an AVR (Multi EQ vs Multi EQ XT).

So after all this explanation, which is better?

This is subjective. It depends on your setup, your budget and your ears. Some people do not hear the differences lossless and lossy. Some swear there are no differences between decoding in the player and decoding in the AVR. And some say that room correction is rubbish. Audio is very subjective. Video has standards defined, unfortunately audio is not so clearly defined.

My suggestion is, examine your setup and your budget and your needs and buy accordingly.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 26 2009, 10:53 AM)
between the 2, BD-60 or PS3, doesn't matter if your TV can't display all the data from the BD's 1080p signal..  biggrin.gif

so the advise is upgrade Tv before we talk about the minute differences between BD players..  tongue.gif
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lucky my sony even not full hd can display 1080/24p
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 05:21 AM)
recommended by uncle ho's nephews laugh.gif

my bd60 can't play uncle ho's stuff. i tried 3 different movies from different distributors all unable to load movie. can only load the intro only. s350 can read all 3 movies. anyway better off buy from amazon. can get less than rm60 per title with bulk order. ori some more. why pay rm48 for fake and lousy stuff.
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to be frank now ori BD from amazon est RM60 vs RM40-50 unc ho's (no effect)

but for majority story will twist when unc's ho bd come falling to RM20 and below
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 26 2009, 10:44 AM)
ps3 cannot bitstream
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yaya, typo error tongue.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 11:02 AM)
to be frank now ori BD from amazon est RM60 vs RM40-50 unc ho's (no effect)

but for majority story will twist when unc's ho bd come falling to RM20 and below
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hmm.gif I have successfully run 2 titles from uncle Ho's collection on my BD60, no problemo at all brows.gif
Alas, at RM48 a pop for "black" BD disc, I much prefer going "straight" with ori only.....a bit pain pain for my wallet but worth it thumbup.gif
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But for JAV BDs, I would take uncle Ho's over origin, since it is stereo anyway.
Plus we will have hard time importing the origin not to mention bloody expensive.


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QUOTE(richard912 @ Aug 26 2009, 11:18 AM)
hmm.gif I have successfully run 2 titles from uncle Ho's collection on my BD60, no problemo at all brows.gif
Alas, at RM48 a pop for "black" BD disc, I much prefer going "straight" with ori only.....a bit pain pain for my wallet but worth it thumbup.gif
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wah.. 48?? imagine getting 25GB disc vs a dual layer 50GB original.. for 20-30% more.. which more worth it? biggrin.gif
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one more stupid question

i see some BD players alow to to calibrate spk level, what are those for???
isnt spk level being calibrated on AVR's

or simply means those BD players can be connected to 5.1/6.1/7.1 Power amps direct, (looks stupid right w/o the volume control) or maybe those bd outputs are variable giving full volume controls on remote>>
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 11:34 AM)
one more stupid question

i see some BD players alow to to calibrate spk level, what are those for???
isnt spk level being calibrated on AVR's

or simply means those BD players can be connected to 5.1/6.1/7.1 Power amps direct, (looks stupid right w/o the volume control) or maybe those bd outputs are variable giving full volume controls on remote>>
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calibrate speaker level for the analog out RCA ports? or at HDMI level?
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 11:34 AM)
one more stupid question

i see some BD players alow to to calibrate spk level, what are those for???
isnt spk level being calibrated on AVR's

or simply means those BD players can be connected to 5.1/6.1/7.1 Power amps direct, (looks stupid right w/o the volume control) or maybe those bd outputs are variable giving full volume controls on remote>>
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If you are refering to the volume buttons found on the BDP remote control, they are meant for use if you have a "compatible" AVR i.e. Panny BDP with Panny AVR, Sammy with Sammy, Sony with Sony....
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Aug 26 2009, 11:39 AM)
If you are refering to the volume buttons found on the BDP remote control, they are meant for use if you have a "compatible" AVR i.e. Panny BDP with Panny AVR, Sammy with Sammy, Sony with Sony....
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wat i meant is the internal setup found in bd players

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Wow. A lot of informations here from last night post.

I guess it is still the best to buy a stand alone player rather than using ps3 for maximum performance.

Thank you!
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just like some dedicate cd players they have a fixed stereo as well as variable out,

you can really use the CD as a pre... connect direct to a power and use the CD remote to control the volume

some uses this to match low (volts) input integrated or pre/power amps
sorry this is under hi-fidelity


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QUOTE(snowfire64 @ Aug 26 2009, 11:55 AM)
Wow. A lot of informations here from last night post.

I guess it is still the best to buy a stand alone player rather than using ps3 for maximum performance.

Thank you!
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glad its of help to you.. hehe

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 11:34 AM)
one more stupid question

i see some BD players alow to to calibrate spk level, what are those for???
isnt spk level being calibrated on AVR's

or simply means those BD players can be connected to 5.1/6.1/7.1 Power amps direct, (looks stupid right w/o the volume control) or maybe those bd outputs are variable giving full volume controls on remote>>
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There is a case where some AVRs do not do any bass management and room correction for analogue inputs. So this speaker level calibration needs be done in the BD player.

No, it is not advisable to send the 5.1/7.1 out directly to a power amp. It shd be sent to a pre amp that has protective circuits in place to not send too high levels to the amps that could in turn damage your speakers. If u direct a 5.1/7.1 out from a BD player to a power amp it is at full volume control then u can damage your speakers.

Some power amps have volume controls and clipping protection for overcurrent, but still it is a big risk to take.
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Aug 26 2009, 11:18 AM)
hmm.gif I have successfully run 2 titles from uncle Ho's collection on my BD60, no problemo at all brows.gif
Alas, at RM48 a pop for "black" BD disc, I much prefer going "straight" with ori only.....a bit pain pain for my wallet but worth it thumbup.gif
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Does it has any HD audio or just core DD and DTS only. That's all I wanted to know when I get the black disc tongue.gif
What are the 2 titles you tried?
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 26 2009, 12:03 PM)
There is a case where some AVRs do not do any bass management and room correction for analogue inputs. So this speaker level calibration needs be done in the BD player.

No, it is not advisable to send the 5.1/7.1 out directly to a power amp. It shd be sent to a pre amp that has protective circuits in place to not send too high levels to the amps that could in turn damage your speakers. If u direct a 5.1/7.1 out from a BD player to a power amp it is at full volume control then u can damage your speakers.

Some power amps have volume controls and clipping protection for overcurrent, but still it is a big risk to take.
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 12:12 PM)
Does it has any HD audio or just core DD and DTS only. That's all I wanted to know when I get the black disc tongue.gif
What are the 2 titles you tried?
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QUOTE(wackojacko @ Aug 26 2009, 12:39 PM)
the seller says its a direct copy from the ORI stuff, but I found a lot of tilles like MJ's Number Ones and Moonwalker available at Uncle Ho's shop which I know for a fact were neva released on BD, so I have my doubts on paying so much for fake stuff la
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 12:12 PM)
Does it has any HD audio or just core DD and DTS only. That's all I wanted to know when I get the black disc tongue.gif
What are the 2 titles you tried?
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Uncle Ho's Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger. Alas, sound DTS only. Click on "extra features" on the menu, nothing happens doh.gif FYI, those Black BDR only 25Gb ma
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QUOTE(richard912 @ Aug 26 2009, 01:41 PM)
Uncle Ho's Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger. Alas, sound DTS only. Click on "extra features" on the menu, nothing happens doh.gif  FYI, those Black BDR only 25Gb ma
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Guys, I've got a noob question.

What are Uncle Ho/Uncle Lim BDs? I got the idea that they are non-ori, but if they are ripped from an ori BD and burned onto a BD as well, how do they differ in terms of quality?

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we do not condone piracy. go buy original.
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These pirated BD are not even close to original in quality, much worse, being compressed into BD25, and not that cheap to begin with. Heck, I don't even dare to buy those local released original BDs, even with the B2G1 offer.

No more pirated discs for me. wink.gif
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New PS3 Slim can bitstream. I'm holding back on the BD60 purchase until I read the reviews for the slim...
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New PS3 Slim can bitstream. I'm holding back on the BD60 purchase until I read the reviews for the slim...
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And don't forget it will load those BDs faster than any standalone BD player. Good for impatient people like me. biggrin.gif
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New PS3 Slim can bitstream. I'm holding back on the BD60 purchase until I read the reviews for the slim...
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And don't forget it will load those BDs faster than any standalone BD player. Good for impatient people like me. biggrin.gif
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That's true. PQ is excellent as well, those who say their standalone BD player looked better (including myself tongue.gif ) could just be placebo effect. But seriously, the more I compare now, the more I'm convinced that they both looks just the same.

And with bitstream there's no comparison anymore, because whatever player you have it's the AV receiver that will be doing the job, not the player.
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just get it la.. which ever unit... hold until the cows come home?  biggrin.gif
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1 - keep playonhd and buy BD60
2 - keep playonhd and buy PS3 Slim
3 - sell playonhd and built dedicated HTPC

Anjua?
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 26 2009, 05:13 PM)
Still contemplating lah...so many choices, but so limited $$$ sad.gif

1 - keep playonhd and buy BD60
2 - keep playonhd and buy PS3 Slim
3 - sell playonhd and built dedicated HTPC

Anjua?
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anyway I got another solution that may fit your needs and wallet.. but will discuss with you next month la.. biggrin.gif sorry I need to hands on with it first..
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depends on whether playonhd meed your expectation..

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anyway I got another solution that may fit your needs and wallet.. but will discuss with you next month la..  biggrin.gif  sorry I need to hands on with it first..
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 26 2009, 05:13 PM)
Still contemplating lah...so many choices, but so limited $$$ sad.gif

1 - keep playonhd and buy BD60
2 - keep playonhd and buy PS3 Slim
3 - sell playonhd and built dedicated HTPC

Anjua?
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bro... i thought you already purchased either bd-60 or s350

so you're like me still deciding.... welcome to the boat... rclxms.gif

so how many of us still deciding which PLAYER to buy??? cry.gif
me make up my mind liao and will definitely get one b4 sept 09 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 05:29 PM)
bro... i thought you already purchased either  bd-60 or s350

so you're like me still deciding.... welcome to the boat... rclxms.gif

so how many of us still deciding which PLAYER to buy??? cry.gif
me make up my mind liao and will definitely get one b4 sept 09 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 26 2009, 05:00 PM)
And don't forget it will load those BDs faster than any standalone BD player. Good for impatient people like me. biggrin.gif
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Some potential bad news. Some indications of someone who has made comparisons in the US indicate that it is somewhat slower than the old PS3. Pretty much slower. It is pretty much in the BD60 range...PM me if u need the link. I don't have permission to link the test results and load times.
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if really 5more days good lor, might be getting s350 from curve.. hehe


Added on August 26, 2009, 5:52 pm
QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 26 2009, 05:38 PM)
Some potential bad news. Some indications of someone who has made comparisons in the US indicate that it is somewhat slower than the old PS3. Pretty much slower. It is pretty much in the BD60 range...PM me if u need the link. I don't have permission to link the test results and load times.
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ya that guy, he's good and very neutral rclxms.gif


Added on August 26, 2009, 5:56 pmhmm.... with the arrival of so many new models he still rank the BDP-51FD at the all time No2 spot rclxms.gif
based on price factor its the NO 1 BD player

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guys.. sorry to borrow this thread but.. tongue.gif

in preparation of funds for my new sub I'm thinking of letting go my Pioneer LX-52 which i bought in June 2008. I'm letting it go for a min of RM2k to fellow LYN members.. of coz if there r multiple bidders, will let go to highest bidder la biggrin.gif Pls pm me those who r interested smile.gif

For those staying in iPoh / KL, I'm going to KL this weekend so can pass to u guys then.

Thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 26 2009, 04:55 PM)
New PS3 Slim can bitstream. I'm holding back on the BD60 purchase until I read the reviews for the slim...
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by that you mean BitStream DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD, right? Cos' I thought the PS3 can already Bitstream.. but of course only (to the receiver to decode) DTS and Dolby Digital?

Dang... sometimes, the more I read about things, the more I'm confused.
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QUOTE(azxel @ Aug 26 2009, 07:10 PM)
by that you mean BitStream DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD, right? Cos' I thought the PS3 can already Bitstream.. but of course only (to the receiver to decode) DTS and Dolby Digital?

Dang... sometimes, the more I read about things, the more I'm confused.
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yes, new PS3 slim can bistream DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD
fat ps3 cannot bistream DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD

hope this can clear your confusing
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Aug 26 2009, 07:12 PM)
yes, new PS3 slim can bistream DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD
fat ps3 cannot bistream DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD

hope this can clear your confusing
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this is on HDMI, right..?

yea biggrin.gif gotcha... i'm still on Optical... wait till I get back to my own house back in KL only get a proper system with HDMI input.

btw... is there a splitter or something that we can plug the PS3 into and then split into 2 HDMI cables, one to the TV and another to the HTS?
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 05:45 PM)
if really 5more days good lor, might be getting s350 from curve.. hehe


Added on August 26, 2009, 5:52 pm
ya that guy, he's good and very neutral rclxms.gif


Added on August 26, 2009, 5:56 pmhmm.... with the arrival of so many new models he still rank the BDP-51FD at the all time No2 spot rclxms.gif
based on price factor its the NO 1 BD player
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moomos,

Its important that you see all the rankings, if you need dvd upscaling then the ranking is different. The ranking u r talking abt is for Feature and Audio.

It is important to choose a BD player based on what u want it to do.

My opinion is that if u r only looking to playback BD and are not concerned of speed and additional features then, the Panny BD60 is sufficient. Of course if the JVC XV-BP1 is available and is in the same price range, I would recommend that as well (just need to iron out reliability, basically it is a improved clone of a LG)

If u need to play games and looking for an all in all then get the PS3 slim.

If u want to use it for DVD-A, SACD, need a host of tweaking features for PQ, need analogue outs and all, consider the Oppo.
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 26 2009, 07:09 PM)
guys.. sorry to borrow this thread but.. tongue.gif

in preparation of funds for my new sub I'm thinking of letting go my Pioneer LX-52 which i bought in June 2008. I'm letting it go for a min of RM2k to fellow LYN members.. of coz if there r multiple bidders, will let go to highest bidder la biggrin.gif  Pls pm me those who r interested smile.gif

For those staying in iPoh / KL, I'm going to KL this weekend so can pass to u guys then.

Thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 26 2009, 10:04 AM)
In theory they should both be the same quality, but I do perceive differences between PS3 sending LPCM HD Audio vs BD60 bitstreaming HD Audio (the latter is better sounding). Only thing I can think of is that my AVR is doing a better job decoding the HD Audio than the PS3.
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It's not the decoding. It's the post processing effects by the AVR AFTER decoding.

Even the PS3 can increase the volume before sending to the AVR if I am not mistaken.

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 26 2009, 05:38 PM)
Some potential bad news. Some indications of someone who has made comparisons in the US indicate that it is somewhat slower than the old PS3. Pretty much slower. It is pretty much in the BD60 range...PM me if u need the link. I don't have permission to link the test results and load times.
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Really? That is bad news. Shame, thought it will make a comeback as one of the best BD players.


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It's not the decoding. It's the post processing effects by the AVR AFTER decoding.

Even the PS3 can increase the volume before sending to the AVR if I am not mistaken.
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After decoding by the AVR you'll get the same PCM that the PS3 sends out. If this post processing effects really exists, it should also apply to the PCM from PS3.

I still believe it's the decoding process that gives the difference. PS3 uses software method while the AVR has a dedicated chip, hardware method. Plus the elimination of jitter effects by doing bitstream.

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QUOTE(choontoy @ Aug 26 2009, 09:03 PM)
Aik,wanna let go yr Pioneer LX-52 so fast liao.No good kah ?
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U blind or illiterate?? Wanna collect fund for new sub la.. U wanna sponsor with some donation? brows.gif
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 26 2009, 09:16 PM)
Really? That is bad news. Shame, thought it will make a comeback as one of the best BD players.


Added on August 26, 2009, 9:23 pm

After decoding by the AVR you'll get the same PCM that the PS3 sends out. If this post processing effects really exists, it should also apply to the PCM from PS3.

I still believe it's the decoding process that gives the difference. PS3 uses software method while the AVR has a dedicated chip, hardware method. Plus the elimination of jitter effects by doing bitstream.
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Some AVR apply post processing after decoding for better sound. But they might not take the chance with LPCM input probably because post processing might already be applied by the source and if they process the sound further they might be overdoing it

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 26 2009, 09:28 PM)
Alamak doh.gif

U blind or illiterate?? Wanna collect fund for new sub la.. U wanna sponsor with some donation? brows.gif
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Really a choontoy tongue.gif
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Foosh...old sub wanna sell or not? biggrin.gif
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I thought someone mentioned before Sony (The Curve ) selling it for RM999/- ?
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wah... now so cheap ah.. aiks..like that i pull back my post.. sorry.

will keep it then...
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wah... now so cheap ah.. aiks..like that i pull back my post.. sorry.

will keep it then...
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Better check the posts from the last two days. I only glanced at the info, I might be mistaken.
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 26 2009, 08:09 PM)
guys.. sorry to borrow this thread but.. tongue.gif

in preparation of funds for my new sub I'm thinking of letting go my Pioneer LX-52 which i bought in June 2008. I'm letting it go for a min of RM2k to fellow LYN members.. of coz if there r multiple bidders, will let go to highest bidder la biggrin.gif  Pls pm me those who r interested smile.gif

For those staying in iPoh / KL, I'm going to KL this weekend so can pass to u guys then.

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Bro,

You really letting go all your items eh for your new subbie. BD player, Velo 12q sub, whats next? Your Sammy 950? Lol..

I think you quite decided to go with the submersive dy.. I better stay away from you if not i also kena the poison haha tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 26 2009, 09:31 PM)
Foosh...old sub wanna sell or not? biggrin.gif
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Sub for sale too tongue.gif pls check subwoofer thread smile.gif


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Bro,

You really letting go all your items eh for your new subbie. BD player, Velo 12q sub, whats next? Your Sammy 950? Lol..

I think you quite decided to go with the submersive dy.. I better stay away from you if not i also kena the poison haha tongue.gif
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Let your wifey decide for you since all of your choice also RM3k sub haha..tongue.gif jk jk

Anyway, i'm waiting for a PM from a forummer. He got a 15" monster to intro to me.. You might be interested also tongue.gif tongue.gif

Damn lar all this poison..
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sibeh elite pepur all here...I think I should start to stay away from this Home Entertainment sub-forum...sweat.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 26 2009, 11:03 PM)
sibeh elite pepur all here...I think I should start to stay away from this Home Entertainment sub-forum...sweat.gif
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sibeh elite pepur all here...I think I should start to stay away from this Home Entertainment sub-forum...sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Aug 26 2009, 10:36 PM)
Only the elite will be poisoned, for peasant like me, won't kena poison - cause no moola to spend also.  blush.gif
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On this I agree with u totally! Only elite get poisoned. Peasant like me only get to dool & dream. sad.gif Nowadays every night I go to bed dreaming of owning a humongous sub, Denon AVC & Yammy Z11.........Dam I even lost my wet/poking dream....... cry.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Aug 26 2009, 10:36 PM)
Only the elite will be poisoned, for peasant like me, won't kena poison - cause no moola to spend also.  blush.gif
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i thought you waiting for something else...
something for elite also whistling.gif
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 26 2009, 07:09 PM)
guys.. sorry to borrow this thread but.. tongue.gif

in preparation of funds for my new sub I'm thinking of letting go my Pioneer LX-52 which i bought in June 2008. I'm letting it go for a min of RM2k to fellow LYN members.. of coz if there r multiple bidders, will let go to highest bidder la biggrin.gif  Pls pm me those who r interested smile.gif

For those staying in iPoh / KL, I'm going to KL this weekend so can pass to u guys then.

Thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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btw its june 2009 then its a deal...
local warranty right??
confirmed your offer.... let me know if i'm the lucky one at the stipulated price..
thanks

QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 26 2009, 09:39 PM)
I thought someone mentioned before Sony (The Curve ) selling it for RM999/- ?
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shud go there b4 it runs out of stock.

me thought of going Ikea for bkfst this 30th, then drop by to curve and collect the BDP-S350, do some shopping round Power Ikano, Ikea, courts, Tesco,
afternoon, maybe drop by Damansara for the RM10 durian fest...
later Wan Utama shopping center then back to Ipoh.... hehe

well that's my plan, and suddenly comes Bro ronnt88, with the LX-52 offer. smile.gif by right shouldn't smile, but i think its okay as bro ronnt88 has bigger plans for his HT setup.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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really good price the s350. thinking of getting 2nd bdp but then maybe should go with new ps3 instead if the price is really 1299 with sony malaysia warranty. at least can play some games whistling.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 10:58 PM)
really good price the s350. thinking of getting 2nd bdp but then maybe should go with new ps3 instead if the price is really 1299 with sony malaysia warranty. at least can play some games whistling.gif
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ya s350 @ RM999.00 is damn cheap... guess shud better the BD-60 for DVD playback  smile.gif
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really worth it?

i thought the rm600++ player more cheap
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 11:03 PM)
ya s350 @ RM999.00 is damn cheap... guess shud better the BD-60 for DVD playback  smile.gif
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s350 on par with bd60 for pq. not sure about sq. should be about the same. anyway s350 can't decode dts-ma only bitstream. bd60 can decode everything.
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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 11:10 PM)
s350 on par with bd60 for pq. not sure about sq. should be about the same. anyway s350 can't decode dts-ma only bitstream. bd60 can decode everything.
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whether sq are the same is not an issue as most of us are using avr to do decoding
so s350 can't decode dts-ma only bitstream shd not be an issue also smile.gif

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QUOTE(arremie @ Aug 26 2009, 11:10 PM)
s350 on par with bd60 for pq. not sure about sq. should be about the same. anyway s350 can't decode dts-ma only bitstream. bd60 can decode everything.
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like they say 350 bitstream.... AVR does the HD-DTS MA lor hehe
now my Faith.....let god decide
if cannot get the LX-52 then will settle for S350, save RM1k le... hehe hehe
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cheap meh?
really worth it?

i thought the rm600++ player more cheap
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Sharp BDP? hmm.gif
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profile 1.0 la bro, still considered ok... lor.. if not fussy

it still can play BD's ... right biggrin.gif
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whether sq are the same is not an issue as most of us are using avr to do decoding
so s350 can't decode dts-ma only bitstream shd not be an issue also smile.gif
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not an issue at all unless u got non hd decoding amp smile.gif

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profile 1.0 la bro, still considered ok... lor.. if not fussy

it still can play BD's ... right biggrin.gif
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yup that's right. can still play bd after finishing a mug of milo and a bowl of maggi and a trip to toilet laugh.gif
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It's not the decoding. It's the post processing effects by the AVR AFTER decoding.
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What kind of post processing effects are being done? First time I'm reading about this. Got any link with more info?
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not an issue at all unless u got non hd decoding amp smile.gif
yup that's right. can still play bd after finishing a mug of milo and a bowl of maggi and a trip to toilet laugh.gif
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Anyway, i'm waiting for a PM from a forummer. He got a 15" monster to intro to me.. You might be interested also tongue.gif tongue.gif
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S350 and even S360 cannot properly deinterlace 1080i contents properly but BD60 can. Perhaps sifu Andfieldude can shed more light here...biggrin.gif
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Wah, what 15" monster is that? Velo DD-15? Paradigm?
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joke joke ar biggrin.gif
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taukeh mumu u still duno which BDP to buy ar?

macam left right on pagar wor
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 26 2009, 11:21 PM)
profile 1.0 la bro, still considered ok... lor.. if not fussy

it still can play BD's ... right biggrin.gif
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so the sharp BD suit u lo...


you very need the profile 2.0 ?
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Aug 26 2009, 11:34 PM)
taukeh mumu u still duno which BDP to buy ar?

macam left right on pagar wor
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confirm liao ma by 30th Aug 2009, (before Harga Beras Jatuh)
my faith is in God's hand, its either LX-52 OR S350

if S350 sold out then BDP-320 biggrin.gif

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btw its june 2009 then its a deal...
local warranty right??
confirmed your offer.... let me know if i'm the lucky one at the stipulated price..
thanks
shud go there b4 it runs out of stock.

me thought of going Ikea for bkfst this 30th, then drop by to curve and collect the BDP-S350, do some shopping round Power Ikano, Ikea, courts, Tesco,
afternoon, maybe drop by Damansara for the RM10 durian fest...
later Wan Utama shopping center then back to Ipoh.... hehe

well that's my plan, and suddenly comes Bro ronnt88, with the LX-52 offer. smile.gif by right shouldn't smile, but i think its okay as bro ronnt88 has bigger plans for his HT setup.. biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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oops... ya, of coz it's june 2009 la... LX-52 only launched in June 09 smile.gif

U r the only bidder rite now, I haven't post on garage sales yet. So u can confirm the said price by laying down a little deposit la. Have to practice this coz i just recently got 747 for my canton sub only sad.gif

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oops... ya, of coz it's june 2009 la... LX-52 only launched in June 09 smile.gif

U r the only bidder rite now, I haven't post on garage sales yet. So u can confirm the said price by laying down a little deposit la. Have to practice this coz i just recently got 747 for my canton sub only sad.gif

let me know icon_rolleyes.gif
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dah pm you biggrin.gif
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please check a/c
thanks

y these ppl like that one r..???

a deal is a deal ma.... i confirmed our dealings, see see i got other better offers oso, i still wait for your reply 1st.
thanks anyway

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Saw a JVC blu ray player just now at Harvey Norman.

Price RM1399.00.
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 27 2009, 12:21 AM)
dah pm you biggrin.gif


Added on August 27, 2009, 12:37 am
please check a/c
thanks

y these ppl like that one r..???

a deal is a deal ma.... i confirmed our dealings, see see i got other better offers oso, i still wait for your reply 1st.
thanks anyway
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ya.. some ppl like that wan.. & it was even a guy i sincerely welcomed to my home as a fren sad.gif

anyways..... great dealing with u & thanks for helping me to get 1 step closer to my dream sub smile.gif
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ya.. some ppl like that wan.. & it was even a guy i sincerely welcomed to my home as a fren sad.gif

anyways..... great dealing with u & thanks for helping me to get 1 step closer to my dream sub smile.gif
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you never ajak me to your elite designer condo wan? sad.gif
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ya.. some ppl like that wan.. & it was even a guy i sincerely welcomed to my home as a fren sad.gif

anyways..... great dealing with u & thanks for helping me to get 1 step closer to my dream sub smile.gif
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no problem la either way oso
thanks for the pioneer
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 27 2009, 01:06 AM)
you never ajak me to your elite designer condo wan?  sad.gif
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alamak... it's certainly not an elite condo but it's my humble abode & u r welcomed anytime icon_rolleyes.gif

so when u wanna come? tongue.gif
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this weekend how? check email..
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alamak... it's certainly not an elite condo but it's my humble abode & u r welcomed anytime icon_rolleyes.gif

so when u wanna come? tongue.gif
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wah stay in condo somemore want power powerfull sub ar biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 27 2009, 01:11 AM)
wah stay in condo somemore want power powerfull sub ar biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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ya in condo nia... till now no one complained about my hobby so it must mean i need a more powerful sub tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 27 2009, 01:11 AM)
this weekend how? check email..
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replied smile.gif


Added on August 27, 2009, 1:24 amgizmodo tear em up pic?

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replied smile.gif


Added on August 27, 2009, 1:24 amgizmodo tear em up pic?
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replied also, as for the pix, well some one tore it up.. giz just reports them.. biggrin.gif
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so how much did giz estimate the cost of the ps3 slim to be? hmm.gif
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ya in condo nia... till now no one complained about my hobby so it must mean i need a more powerful sub tongue.gif
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after this if still nobody complaint then poison ur neighbour to also get one. later both of u play u-571 at the same time laugh.gif
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Added on August 27, 2009, 1:24 amgizmodo tear em up pic?
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rontt taukeh upgrade to simi player? fuyoo
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Aug 27 2009, 07:39 AM)
rontt taukeh upgrade to simi player? fuyoo
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dun embarass me la... i'm downgrading to my ps3 as a bd player sad.gif
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That's not really downgrading la, PS3 is not bad at all as a BDP.

But you must be upgrading something else, a submarine? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 27 2009, 08:52 AM)
That's not really downgrading la, PS3 is not bad at all as a BDP.

But you must be upgrading something else, a submarine? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 26 2009, 11:26 PM)
What kind of post processing effects are being done? First time I'm reading about this. Got any link with more info?
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A very simple example is the sound volume can be upped a notch or two. Many people percive a louder sound as better. Up your PS3 sound volume before you send the LPCM to the AVR as an experiment, see if it sounds better or worse.
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 26 2009, 09:28 PM)
Alamak doh.gif

U blind or illiterate?? Wanna collect fund for new sub la.. U wanna sponsor with some donation? brows.gif
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QUOTE(choontoy @ Aug 27 2009, 08:57 AM)
Sure can sponsor u lah.
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so how much did giz estimate the cost of the ps3 slim to be? hmm.gif
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So, Moomoos finally bought a BDP ar? From Ron's? Congrats! Welcome to the BLU! rclxms.gif
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thanks, ya anyway confirmed...its either a S350 or BD60 this 30th adi ..... c c rons's posts' came lor
stepping in bluworld er... sweat.gif sweat.gif ain't good le...more $$$ on BD's sweat.gif sweat.gif
QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 27 2009, 08:52 AM)
That's not really downgrading la, PS3 is not bad at all as a BDP.

But you must be upgrading something else, a submarine? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 27 2009, 08:55 AM)
A very simple example is the sound volume can be upped a notch or two. Many people percive a louder sound as better. Up your PS3 sound volume before you send the LPCM to the AVR as an experiment, see if it sounds better or worse.
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means PS3 have volume control feature??? if have, theoritically is to set the volume to "max"
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something BIG is coming to Penang Island....drool.gif
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yea.. think he's bringing it back this weekend biggrin.gif
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yea.. think he's bringing it back this weekend biggrin.gif
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nothing is coming back with me this weekend la.. auditioning phase only smile.gif

unless lightning strikes (my chest) & i fall in love at 1st sight wub.gif (or rather 1st feel tongue.gif)
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nothing is coming back with me this weekend la.. auditioning phase only smile.gif

unless lightning strikes (my chest) & i fall in love at 1st sight wub.gif (or rather 1st feel tongue.gif)
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then you need to go buy more handbags for HM.. biggrin.gif
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nothing is coming back with me this weekend la.. auditioning phase only smile.gif

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hope you dont need "Fed Ex" to cart it back biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 27 2009, 09:34 AM)
hope you dont need "Fed Ex" to cart it back biggrin.gif
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maybe DHL?? brows.gif
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hope you dont need "Fed Ex" to cart it back biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 27 2009, 09:33 AM)
then you need to go buy more handbags for HM..  biggrin.gif
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hehe... deal signed d tongue.gif

budget approved for 3k subby rclxm9.gif

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hehe... deal signed d tongue.gif

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USD3k? wah.. mark seaton here I come! thumbup.gif
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I obtained permission from the owner of the other thread to link the results. Pls see hyperlink below.

AVS Forum Blu Ray Players synthetic and subjective results threa

enjoy.

Glad ron sorted out the BD player, although I think it is a damned good player!


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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 27 2009, 09:38 AM)
I obtained permission from the owner of the other thread to link the results. Pls see hyperlink below.

AVS Forum Blu Ray Players synthetic and subjective results threa

enjoy.

Glad ron sorted out the BD player, although I think it is a damned good player!
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bro anfield, i had to shave some off to get something new in.... had 2 BD players so 1 had to go .. i do some gaming sometimes so... have to say bye bye to my beloved pioneer cry.gif (dear LX, i hope to get u back into my arms again some day.. or at least one of ur kins tongue.gif)


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USD3k? wah.. mark seaton here I come!  thumbup.gif
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woi woi woi.... RM3k lar. shhhh.... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 27 2009, 09:40 AM)
bro anfield, i had to shave some off to get something new in.... had 2 BD players so 1 had to go .. i do some gaming sometimes so... have to say bye bye to my beloved pioneer cry.gif (dear LX, i hope to get u back into my arms again some day.. or at least one of ur kins tongue.gif)


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woi woi woi.... RM3k lar. shhhh....  tongue.gif
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so who buying it?

maybe RX offer 1/2 price (as usual) biggrin.gif
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Foosh.....got love story one...biggrin.gif
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where taylor swift? brows.gif
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 26 2009, 04:46 PM)
I have to admit I did buy a few real dual-layered DVDs many years ago, long before BD. Those were exact copy of the original, so at least I got the same quality of the original (except maybe disc quality itself). When I bring home I check the disc size in my laptop, if it's lower than 4.3GB then I return it back. whistling.gif

These pirated BD are not even close to original in quality, much worse, being compressed into BD25, and not that cheap to begin with. Heck, I don't even dare to buy those local released original BDs, even with the B2G1 offer.

No more pirated discs for me. wink.gif
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Was reading your post on this... Just curious, if there is exact copy of the original BD on BD25 for RM14 and BD50 for RM40 respectively to start up with, depend on the original BD without being compressed , will you go for it? And the price will be dropping further in the near future for sure as the original BD will be dropping as well...

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 27 2009, 10:31 AM)
nothing is coming back with me this weekend la.. auditioning phase only smile.gif

unless lightning strikes (my chest) & i fall in love at 1st sight wub.gif (or rather 1st feel tongue.gif)
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Whahaha i'll try my best (uncle as well) to covince u this weekend to get stg back so that u wont have to poison me with your other dream sub brows.gif
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QUOTE(azxel @ Aug 26 2009, 07:23 PM)
this is on HDMI, right..?

yea biggrin.gif gotcha... i'm still on Optical... wait till I get back to my own house back in KL only get a proper system with HDMI input.

btw... is there a splitter or something that we can plug the PS3 into and then split into 2 HDMI cables, one to the TV and another to the HTS?
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Yes, there is HDMI spliter around. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=sear...s=hdmi+splitter

I'm using this user posted image


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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Aug 27 2009, 10:02 AM)
Yes, there is HDMI spliter around.  http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=sear...s=hdmi+splitter

I'm using this user posted image
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Why need to split? If your receiver has HDMI input, sure got HDMI output as well.


Added on August 27, 2009, 10:14 am
QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Aug 27 2009, 09:59 AM)
Was reading your post on this... Just curious, if there is exact copy of the original BD on BD25 for RM14 and BD50 for RM40 respectively to start up with, depend on the original BD without being compressed , will you go for it?  And the price will be dropping further in the near future for sure as the original BD will be dropping as well...
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I don't think there will be exact copies, even DVDs now no exact copies anymore. But even if there is, I still won't buy, I just don't buy pirate stuffs since I started working. That story was when I was still a student. smile.gif

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Aug 27 2009, 09:59 AM)
Whahaha i'll try my best (uncle as well) to covince u this weekend to get stg back so that u wont have to poison me with your other dream sub  brows.gif
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get stg back?? dont un tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 27 2009, 11:14 AM)
get stg back?? dont un tongue.gif
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I mean get something back tongue.gif tongue.gif

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Aug 27 2009, 10:16 AM)
I mean get something back  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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oh.... tongue.gif

btw, where's the link to the new venom u were trying to poison me with? brows.gif
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 27 2009, 10:08 AM)
Why need to split? If your receiver has HDMI input, sure got HDMI output as well.
Yes, my Yammy have HDMI 4 in 1 out but I need to output to both my LCD and projector so I use this spliter for that.

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I don't think there will be exact copies, even DVDs now no exact copies anymore. But even if there is, I still won't buy, I just don't buy pirate stuffs since I started working. That story was when I was still a student. smile.gif
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It is rare but they exist. Anyway you are a few ppl that I know that can resist the temptation. Good! thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 27 2009, 09:31 AM)
nothing is coming back with me this weekend la.. auditioning phase only smile.gif

unless lightning strikes (my chest) & i fall in love at 1st sight wub.gif (or rather 1st feel tongue.gif)
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Yeah, can't bring back anything from Seremban since SVS stock also not yet arrive. Unless u hijack htkaki's PC12+ tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 27 2009, 11:19 AM)
oh.... tongue.gif

btw, where's the link to the new venom u were trying to poison me with? brows.gif
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Lol, dont 1 2 give u the link.. Show u the actual unit this Saturday..

Ehh bro, OT abit. Need to discuss with you re the arrangment this weekend...
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Aug 27 2009, 10:23 AM)
Yes, my Yammy have HDMI 4 in 1 out but I need to output to both my LCD and projector so I use this spliter for that. 
It is rare but they exist.  Anyway you are a few ppl that I know that can resist the temptation.  Good! thumbup.gif
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Oh, I see. Got 2 displays in 1 setup. notworthy.gif

Now working, no excuse anymore. I don't even download MKVs now. How to resist temptation? Easy, I don't go look for it. In fact, I have no idea where to find pirated DVDs now, never even go to pasar malam. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 27 2009, 11:34 AM)
Oh, I see. Got 2 displays in 1 setup. notworthy.gif

Now working, no excuse anymore. I don't even download MKVs now. How to resist temptation? Easy, I don't go look for it. In fact, I have no idea where to find pirated DVDs now, never even go to pasar malam. biggrin.gif
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Now dont need to go pasar malam. Can order online also tongue.gif

Damn canggih
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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Aug 27 2009, 10:36 AM)
Now dont need to go pasar malam. Can order online also tongue.gif

Damn canggih
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Wow, Uncle Ho got their own Amazon.com now? Impressive. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Aug 27 2009, 10:23 AM)
Yes, my Yammy have HDMI 4 in 1 out but I need to output to both my LCD and projector so I use this spliter for that. 
It is rare but they exist.  Anyway you are a few ppl that I know that can resist the temptation.  Good! thumbup.gif
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Watch out for HDMI splitters. Make sure you get proper branded ones and better to be powered splitters. A lot of the cheap splitters cause a lot of colour space problems and change the signals quite a bit. I would suggest getting a proper Gefen splitter. Minimum shd be Monoprice powered splitter.

Better yet, get an AVR with dual HDMI out....
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 27 2009, 10:54 AM)
Watch out for HDMI splitters. Make sure you get proper branded ones and better to be powered splitters. A lot of the cheap splitters cause a lot of colour space problems and change the signals quite a bit. I would suggest getting a proper Gefen splitter. Minimum shd be Monoprice powered splitter.
Yes, using that spliter will need some trick

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Better yet, get an AVR with dual HDMI out....
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I have a better solution, use the existing ARV on projector only for the new HT room, and let the LCD for kids to watch cartoons and TV programs thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 27 2009, 09:36 AM)
fedex  don't do local service mah..  biggrin.gif
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ya thats' what i meant... audition in KL syok liao ... order... then shipping in from Overseas... rclxms.gif

QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 27 2009, 09:40 AM)
bro anfield, i had to shave some off to get something new in.... had 2 BD players so 1 had to go .. i do some gaming sometimes so... have to say bye bye to my beloved pioneer cry.gif (dear LX, i hope to get u back into my arms again some day.. or at least one of ur kins tongue.gif)


Added on August 27, 2009, 9:41 am
woi woi woi.... RM3k lar. shhhh....  tongue.gif
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LX-72 or LX-91 perhaps.. rclxms.gif
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Hehe.. No la. If can afford these no need to sell current wan 2 buy sub d la tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 27 2009, 01:49 PM)
Hehe.. No la. If can afford these no need to sell current wan 2 buy sub d la tongue.gif
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you cant afford... wei... how did you manage get the 52 le... right biggrin.gif

as now, you have 2 sets and more interest in games ma, so the LX-52 white elephant la

then later syok that time, LX-72, LX92 rclxms.gif


Added on August 27, 2009, 3:13 pmme same too, now got LX-52 later i sell my CD player oso hehe

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so how much did giz estimate the cost of the ps3 slim to be? hmm.gif
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Many shops are taking pre-order at RM1250 for the SG set, local MY set not announced yet, but shld be prices similarly.

Go to the garage sales section under games.


Added on August 27, 2009, 11:59 pm
QUOTE(richard912 @ Aug 26 2009, 01:41 PM)
Uncle Ho's Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger. Alas, sound DTS only. Click on "extra features" on the menu, nothing happens doh.gif  FYI, those Black BDR only 25Gb ma
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Am curious, how is the PQ? Real 1080p from ori BD, or simply DVD Dual Layer rips?


Added on August 28, 2009, 12:16 am
QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 26 2009, 01:20 AM)
I thought I heard before that current PS3 Hardware is unable to do bitstream of HD Audio even with firmware ?
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You are right, thats the limitation of the HDMI chip in the thick PS3. No firmware is able to upgrade it to bitstream any HD Audio codecs.

But i am ok with it LPCM to my AVR, only not seeing the TrueHD or DTSMA button light up. To me the LPCM still sounds nicer than regular flavored DD5.1 or DTS.

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RM1250 for the new Slim PS3 is very good price. Seriously I'll say this again, for those who haven't own any BDP or PS3 this is the best solution. By the way, this new Slim PS3 can be plugged to any power outlet in the world, the PSU supports 100-240V at 50-60Hz. The only factor to consider now is the BD region coding, no more worries about getting a step-up/down transformers.

About the pirated BDs, they're all BD25. So unless the size of the original movie was equal or smaller than that, they have re-encoded the movie to lower bitrate even even though still 1080p (just like the MKV rips). Details will be lost, two pixels side by side, blue and green may just appear both blue. Die Hard 4 was 38GB, and the upcoming Gladiator records a whopping 45GB for the video & audio only.

Poadster, the LPCM is still lossless, you're basically hearing the same thing. The only difference is that it is being decoded by your PS3, not the AVR (there are some difference but that's just more to the decoding part, but the details should be the same, never lost). Can refer to the second post of the BD thread for the flow chart.
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 28 2009, 08:11 AM)
RM1250 for the new Slim PS3 is very good price. Seriously I'll say this again, for those who haven't own any BDP or PS3 this is the best solution. By the way, this new Slim PS3 can be plugged to any power outlet in the world, the PSU supports 100-240V at 50-60Hz. The only factor to consider now is the BD region coding, no more worries about getting a step-up/down transformers.

About the pirated BDs, they're all BD25. So unless the size of the original movie was equal or smaller than that, they have re-encoded the movie to lower bitrate even even though still 1080p (just like the MKV rips). Details will be lost, two pixels side by side, blue and green may just appear both blue. Die Hard 4 was 38GB, and the upcoming Gladiator records a whopping 45GB for the video & audio only.

Poadster, the LPCM is still lossless, you're basically hearing the same thing. The only difference is that it is being decoded by your PS3, not the AVR (there are some difference but that's just more to the decoding part, but the details should be the same, never lost). Can refer to the second post of the BD thread for the flow chart.
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One update on the new PS3 slim, it actually has the ability to upscale all sources to 1080p. The older PS3 will not upscale anything on BD (480i, 1080i). This is something for some to consider if it important to u.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Aug 28 2009, 08:36 AM)
One update on the new PS3 slim, it actually has the ability to upscale all sources to 1080p. The older PS3 will not upscale anything on BD (480i, 1080i). This is something for some to consider if it important to u.
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I thought they already fixed that in a firmware update? laugh.gif Sorry, didn't watch BD on my PS3 for quite some time already, never bothered to check. blush.gif

But that is another good news. And considering the price, the report about it being slower loading than the old PS3 is not a big factor. Many standalone players at this price range aren't that fast either. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Poadster @ Aug 27 2009, 11:39 PM)
Many shops are taking pre-order at RM1250 for the SG set, local MY set not announced yet, but shld be prices similarly.
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PS3 Slim est @ RM1250 including "Mod Chip" ??

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 28 2009, 09:27 AM)
PS3 Slim est @ RM1250 including "Mod Chip" ??
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Mod chip?

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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 28 2009, 09:31 AM)
Mod chip?

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soree.. me no gamer, cos i heard PS3 cant play local disc. u have modified and unmodified version

is it true??


Added on August 28, 2009, 9:38 amso guess the same for PS3 Slim

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PS3 cannot mod lah bro...
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mod chip is only for ps2 bro.... no such thing 'yet' for ps3.
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 28 2009, 09:27 AM)
PS3 Slim est @ RM1250 including "Mod Chip" ??
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Mod chip? For what bro?
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 28 2009, 09:37 AM)
soree.. me no gamer, cos i heard PS3 cant play local disc. u have modified and unmodified version

is it true??


Added on August 28, 2009, 9:38 amso guess the same for PS3 Slim
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I don't believe they have mod chip for playing non legal games on the PS3. I also don't think there are pirated games as yet...
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eh.. got pirated BDs meh?
I thought those were just DVD9...
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QUOTE(azxel @ Aug 28 2009, 09:48 AM)
eh.. got pirated BDs meh?
I thought those were just DVD9...
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got....but very few places sell..... and its hard to tell if u dunno how to check la
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 28 2009, 09:39 AM)
Mod chip? For what bro?
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maybe he mod chip to play fake PS2 games mah.. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(wackojacko @ Aug 28 2009, 09:53 AM)
got....but very few places sell..... and its hard to tell if u dunno how to check la
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shouldn't be that hard to see... BD25s looks very different from DVDR or unker HO dvd9s..

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for RM48 on pirated BD25 is a rip off...
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 28 2009, 09:58 AM)
maybe he mod chip to play fake PS2 games mah..  tongue.gif


Added on August 28, 2009, 9:58 am

shouldn't be that hard to see... BD25s looks very different from DVDR or unker HO dvd9s..
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Oh, never had a PS2. But my PS3 is backward compatible with PS2 games, thumbup.gif but original only lah of course. tongue.gif

QUOTE(geforce1999 @ Aug 28 2009, 09:59 AM)
for RM48 on pirated BD25 is a rip off...
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oh.. I thought there wouldn't be any pirated BDs but then I remembered some fella did crack BD tech sometime back...

I take it that BD25 would look more or less like normal BDs compared to DVDs (the silver thingy on BD seems to go right to the end of the middle hole compared to normal DVDs, right?)
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 28 2009, 09:58 AM)
maybe he mod chip to play fake PS2 games mah..  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 28 2009, 10:03 AM)
Oh, never had a PS2. But my PS3 is backward compatible with PS2 games, thumbup.gif  but original only lah of course. tongue.gif
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soree didn't know much bout' PS2 & PS3
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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 28 2009, 08:11 AM)
RM1250 for the new Slim PS3 is very good price. Seriously I'll say this again, for those who haven't own any BDP or PS3 this is the best solution. By the way, this new Slim PS3 can be plugged to any power outlet in the world, the PSU supports 100-240V at 50-60Hz. The only factor to consider now is the BD region coding, no more worries about getting a step-up/down transformers.

About the pirated BDs, they're all BD25. So unless the size of the original movie was equal or smaller than that, they have re-encoded the movie to lower bitrate even even though still 1080p (just like the MKV rips). Details will be lost, two pixels side by side, blue and green may just appear both blue. Die Hard 4 was 38GB, and the upcoming Gladiator records a whopping 45GB for the video & audio only.

Poadster, the LPCM is still lossless, you're basically hearing the same thing. The only difference is that it is being decoded by your PS3, not the AVR (there are some difference but that's just more to the decoding part, but the details should be the same, never lost). Can refer to the second post of the BD thread for the flow chart.
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To overcome the Region locking, simple. Get two slim PS3s lor..... region A and B..... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Hv nvr tried the Uncle Ho BD25s, so was very curious on the PQ/SQ. Am expecting the SQ to be just regular DTS/DD flavored with no HD options, but the PQ shld be ok (as in mkv-ish). Still not very worthy to look at..... as of now....

LPCM is sounds pretty fine to me, can hear the difference to the sound. Since my PS3 cant bitstream, i cant taste the difference (auditioning the same disc using a diff set-up dont count for comparison), nor ever see the magical words TrueHD or DTSMA, but i can live with that.....


Added on August 28, 2009, 10:30 amMod chips are used to bypass any security encryption checks on game discs, put there by game developers and Sony to curb piracy. However, there are no mod chips for PS3 la.... it was nvr successfully cracked.

Even uncle ho ps2 games cant be played on the PS3.... but i have nvr tried it personally. Only ori games and movie BDs are inserted into the precious slot.... blush.gif blush.gif

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http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3335

Slim PS3 Reviewed as a BD Player

Posted August 28, 2009 05:14 AM by Juan Calonge

PlayStation 3 slim Tech site Engadget and AV site Home Cinema Choice have just published two reviews of the slim PS3, including its performance as a Blu-ray player. One of the reviews' findings is that the new PS3 is noticeably slower when loading a Blu-ray disc. On the other hand, improvements such as reduced power consumption and lower noise are confirmed.

Load times
The Engadget crew was surprised by the slower BD load times. They measured two sets of data: the time between inserting the disc (listening for that last little "click" sound) and having it register in the XMB; and the time it takes to get a non-loading once you click on the disc and actually launch into the movie. Disc recognition time was virtually the same, but actual loading took a few seconds longer on the slim PS3. For example, 'Watchmen' took 27 seconds to show the first disc screen on the slim, versus 23 seconds on the original. The smallest difference recorded was 2 seconds with 'Air Force One', and the largest was 10 seconds with 'The Nightmare before Christmas'.
Home Cinema Choice confirmed that the slot mechanism on this model is inferior to that of the first-gen model, and concludes that "few will be impressed by the grumpy mechanical noise it makes when loading discs."

BD-J Performance
Engadget didn't cover this, but Home Cinema Choice found Java loading speed to be "phenomenally fast. 'Crank 2: High Voltage' "bedded-in faster on the PS3 Slim than it did on a high-end Sony BDP-5000ES."

Power consumption
The power drawn when watching a Blu-ray was drastically reduced, even beyond Sony's announcement. The slim PS3 drew 75 watt during Blu-ray playback, versus 167 watt on the classic 60GB PS3.

Noise
Engadget confirmed its initial findings: the PS3 is up to 10 decibels quieter than the classic 60GB PS3 while watching Blu-ray movies. In their own words, "during the quieter, more suspenseful moments of 'Watchmen', there wasn't any loud whirring noises this time to ruin the mood."
Home Cinema Choice confirmed that the slim PS3 is "quieter still" than the original. However, it was noted that heat builds up quickly during use and the fan noise accelerates accordingly. The reviewer relates, "Midway through 'X-Men Origins: Wolverine', I noted that the console was disgorging a lot of heat through its rear vents, and at that point, in terms of fan noise it did not seem to be an improvement on what's gone before. The huge 95mm,17-blade fan beneath the hood clearly has its work cut out..."

Bitstreaming of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD
This feature was confirmed, but the Home Cinema Choice reviewer encountered some compatibility problems: with an Arcam AVR-600, bitstream mode resulted in "some horrible buzzes and pops", whereas an Onkyo TX-NR906 recognized the stream without any hiccups. The reviewer concluded that there were issues regarding HDMI handshaking between the PS3 Slim and the Arcam.

Bravia Sync
Engadget tested this feature, connecting the console directly to a 32-inch BRAVIA L-Series TV via HDMI. The reviewers were able to do some basic tasks like navigate the XMB menu and control video playback, but not much more - you still need a controller or BD remote to operate the PS3.

Miscellaneous
Engadget also mentions that unlike the classic PS3, the new console doesn't have a physical on/off switch.
The Home Cinema Choice tech lab measured the drive in the slim PS3 and it rated much worse than the original with CD and DVD. For example, measured audio jitter was 461.7ps, while the original deliverd only 137.9ps. And as a DVD player it's "poor", with a measured high frequency response of -6.14dB. But the reviewer remarks, "does anyone really care about DVD playback on the PS3 Slim?" [Well, going from the comments to this post, a fair number of people do, and they should bear this information in mind if they are thinking of buying a new PS3.]
The Home Cinema choice reviewer thought that the new power-on and disc eject push buttons were way better than the "infuriating" soft-touch buttons on the original machine.
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a few frens came over & i played transformers on my ps3 to impress them with the world of HD but ended up disappointed myself... call it placebo effect or wateva but I do feel a compromise in both PQ & AQ.. especially AQ. Felt I had to pump up the volume on my 875 to -5db to feel the movie. Like it lost dynamics too...... sigh.......... hopefully a new sub will improve this tongue.gif
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Bitstream vs LPCM mah....how to compare? Summore U use elite AVR. biggrin.gif
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i tot i heard somewhere that bitstream & LPCM r same mah sad.gif
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QUOTE(chewkl @ Aug 28 2009, 11:43 PM)
Bitstream vs LPCM mah....how to compare? Summore U use elite AVR. biggrin.gif
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wah such minute difference between 2 lossless tracks, also is night and day on his ultra revealing sound system... dem kheng.. thumbup.gif
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1 use PS3 to decode, 1 use high end amp to decode. How to compare lah? biggrin.gif
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sigh.. maybe it's placebo effect ... hopefully it'll go away in time
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 28 2009, 11:52 PM)
sigh.. maybe it's placebo effect ... hopefully it'll go away in time
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If it doesn't, time to buy a new elite standalone BDP, something higher end that what U are letting go... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 28 2009, 11:52 PM)
sigh.. maybe it's placebo effect ... hopefully it'll go away in time
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after the placebo effect wears off on your SVS sub, sell to me cheap cheap hor.. biggrin.gif
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wat svs sub? rclxub.gif
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no hsu also sad.gif
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wat svs sub? rclxub.gif
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I tot you buying one from htkaki ?
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I tot you buying one from htkaki ?
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Buying one or a pair? laugh.gif
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i'm auditioning only.. haven't made up my mind yet.. anyways, htkaki no stock also sad.gif

i do enjoy impulse buying though... tongue.gif


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Buying one or a pair?  laugh.gif
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a pair?? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 29 2009, 12:02 AM)
i'm auditioning only.. haven't made up my mind yet.. anyways, htkaki no stock also sad.gif

i do enjoy impulse buying though... tongue.gif
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[quote=ronnt88,Aug 29 2009, 12:02 AM]
i'm auditioning only.. haven't made up my mind yet.. anyways, htkaki no stock also sad.gif

i do enjoy impulse buying though... tongue.gif


maybe can benefit me with your impulse "sale" as well.. biggrin.gif
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ok... nite guys... gotta go get rested 4 tomorrows trip smile.gif

c some of u then.. icon_rolleyes.gif


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[quote=ronnt88,Aug 29 2009, 12:02 AM]
i'm auditioning only.. haven't made up my mind yet.. anyways, htkaki no stock also sad.gif

i do enjoy impulse buying though... tongue.gif
maybe can benefit me with your impulse "sale" as well.. biggrin.gif
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knn... big taukeh wanna benefit from kuli chai these days?? rclxub.gif what's the world gone to? tongue.gif

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