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jchong
post Aug 19 2009, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:10 AM)
But yes, all new designed but they didn't bother to upgrade to make it lossless audio bitstream capable, makes you wonder. I think this is intentional, or else the standalone BD players got no advantage at all.
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IMO their strategy is misplaced. Sony fears the PS3 will take away sales from their own standalone BD players. But in the macro perspective how big is Sony in the BD player market? If they enable the PS3 to bitstream audio it lessens the advantage of all standalone BD players (Sharp, JVC, Panasonic, Pioneer, etc). It will cannibalize Sony as well, but imagine the potential customers from all the other brands suddenly turning to the PS3. It's like "lose some, but gain a lot".
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post Aug 19 2009, 08:54 AM

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So you think Sony might wait until the blu ray adoption becomes higher / more mainstream and then bam, out comes super duper PS3! Could be another tactic too...
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post Aug 20 2009, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Aug 20 2009, 01:24 PM)
hopefully can get today via "jchong" haha
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Unfortunately, the regular lowyat suppliers out of stock sad.gif
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post Aug 21 2009, 05:33 PM

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Hey moomoos, you seen this: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1137855 ?
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post Aug 26 2009, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 26 2009, 01:36 AM)
The PS3 can't bitstream HD audio to AVR, but it can decode the HD Audio first (LPCM) and then send to AVR. That means the AVR don't even need a HD audio decoder, BUT it must be able to accept the decoded LPCM HD audio sound from the PS3 via HDMI (some older AVR can't accept decoded HD Audio through HDMI). For your info, decoded HD audio and bitstream HD Audio is the same quality , both Lossless.
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In theory they should both be the same quality, but I do perceive differences between PS3 sending LPCM HD Audio vs BD60 bitstreaming HD Audio (the latter is better sounding). Only thing I can think of is that my AVR is doing a better job decoding the HD Audio than the PS3.
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post Aug 26 2009, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ngto @ Aug 26 2009, 09:13 PM)
It's not the decoding. It's the post processing effects by the AVR AFTER decoding.
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What kind of post processing effects are being done? First time I'm reading about this. Got any link with more info?
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post Aug 26 2009, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(hsiengloong @ Aug 26 2009, 10:02 PM)
Anyway, i'm waiting for a PM from a forummer. He got a 15" monster to intro to me.. You might be interested also tongue.gif tongue.gif
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Wah, what 15" monster is that? Velo DD-15? Paradigm?
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post Aug 27 2009, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 27 2009, 09:31 AM)
nothing is coming back with me this weekend la.. auditioning phase only smile.gif

unless lightning strikes (my chest) & i fall in love at 1st sight wub.gif (or rather 1st feel tongue.gif)
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Yeah, can't bring back anything from Seremban since SVS stock also not yet arrive. Unless u hijack htkaki's PC12+ tongue.gif
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post Aug 29 2009, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Aug 28 2009, 11:49 PM)
i tot i heard somewhere that bitstream & LPCM r same mah sad.gif
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In theory.

In practice the quality of the decoding does have some effect. I also felt that BD player bitstream to AVR sounds better than PS3 output PCM.
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post Oct 7 2009, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(msiathot @ Oct 7 2009, 04:12 PM)
Firmware 2.1 is now available for Panasonic BD60.
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That's fast. Ver 2.0 just came out last month.

Glad to see Panny is regularly releasing updates.
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post Nov 4 2009, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 4 2009, 01:15 AM)
panny products got optional extended waranty right?
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Extended warranties are normally offered by the shop. So it depends where you buy from and if they offer it.
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post Nov 4 2009, 08:23 AM

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At RM72 only I think the extra 5 years is worth it. It's just to protect your cost for the BD60. Say it spoils in 3 years, can you buy new BD player for RM72 to replace it?

Yeah BD60 might be outdated by then, but as long as it works it can still be used (or maybe deployed as backup or put in another room).
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post Nov 5 2009, 02:13 PM

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Is this something that can be solved by firmware update?
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post Nov 5 2009, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Nov 5 2009, 02:16 PM)
Yes. Only concerts are 1080i.
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Any idea why concerts are 1080i?

Some editions of Planet Earth also 1080i.
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post Nov 12 2009, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(Dickong @ Nov 12 2009, 09:37 PM)
Just bought panny BD60 from SEC for RM500 with Sharp HDMI cable, but delivery will take few days becos presently no stock.
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Wah, price drop even more! Some more with free HDMI cable.

Which branch of SEC did you buy from?
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post Dec 7 2009, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(moomoos @ Dec 7 2009, 05:32 PM)
i'm quite secptical tho, unless i test it myself, not salesman talk,

its my fren (the buyer himself) who told me, he said he saw the demo on Sony, then take the same BD-Disc... demo on other brands, cant get the same PQ effect, at first the other sales rep don believe, but at  last they agree also, then maybe they say columbia pictures stuff play back on sony range gives better PQ

like the s360 and BD60 if match back their own LCD maybe Pioneer 120 cant beat them,
maybe maybe all 3 BD players use a reference Samsung or LG LCD/Plasma... pioneer will be the winner on PQ

like bro anfield said, my fren could have misled the situation smile.gif
well .... but something worth pondering
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I suspect if there is any difference it is due mainly to the display TV (different setting or model quality). Or is it that your friend tested with same TV but different BD player?
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post Jan 2 2010, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(saprozeldo @ Jan 2 2010, 11:41 AM)
also, of coz the bd60 wont play any ehem BDs which jvc had no problem..
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I have used my BD60 to play ahem BDs smile.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(engseng @ Jan 18 2010, 07:20 PM)
I always thought Transformers was purposely made grainy, especially the scene where the Sam drops off Mikaela at her place at night. Michael Bay seems to like that grainy oversaturated look.

Speaking of grain, this means that we should see absolutely zero grains from CGI movies like Up and the Incredibles?
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Yeah, I think there is some deliberate grain in Transformers. Just like in 300.

I've never noticed any grain in CGI movies.

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jan 18 2010, 08:12 PM)
Grains are meant to be stationary there right-i mean at a particualy spot where there's grain.But this is a hell lot worse,the grains "moves around"..i really dunno how to explain this.It's always like that when i look at televisions.This is only noticeable when obeserved closely or "pixel peeping"
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Normally if there is grain it affects the whole picture area, not just at one particular spot. And you don't need to pixel peep to see the grain.

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 18 2010, 11:35 PM)
sometimes the culprit is on the playback equipment also.. some TV and BDP like to accentuate these "artifacts" to the point of being overbearing...

for example, spidey BD grains don't look that distracting on some TVs while it looks dem bad on some of the demo TV sets..
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Yeah, it could also be due to equipment. I suspect if the TV or BDP applies sharpness then grain or noise becomes amplified.

This post has been edited by jchong: Jan 19 2010, 08:05 AM
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