QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Apr 12 2009, 11:14 PM)
@ Iliveunderwater and SeLrAhC,
alright enough is enough. this is a dedicated monash thread in a bid to help current and prospective monash students. what you guys are doing, is merely generalising malaysian students (both in private and public institutions) into one big lump of category.
however, if you still insist on carrying out this "massacre", i do suggest a brand new thread, away from this one.
anyway i'm in no way affiliated to SeLrAhC, but you are clearly picking on him (from where i'm staying right now). he was just replying to a very simple question i.e. "
hows the quality of students there? lol", in which he said "
much higher than most other colleges in msia". now why on earth did you even attempt to bring in public universities into the picture?
on the other hand, i do publicly acknowledge that the malaysian sunway campus has still a lot of catching up to do. having studied in the uk before (and now in clayton), i can distinctively observe the marked differences between sunway campus and the australian one. FYI, i did a year in sunway before transferring over to clayton.
one may argue that the sunway campus is still new (bla bla bla) and we ought to give
her time to mature and flower et cetera, but at the end of the day, the sunway campus is still supposed to be a (enormous) money making machine for both the sunway group and monash. having said that, not many parents/guardians can afford to splurge that amount of money to send their beloved children to monash (even to the so-called local "version"). needlessly to say, monash sunway has to figure out a way to generate wealth, even if it means that sunway has to accept these
crappy students (as described by you guys).
however at the end of the day, only the fittest will survive (or in this case, graduate). hence what is the actual point of debating the caliber/standard of the students being introduced by monash sunway in the first place?
Actually, just to let you see things more clearly, I'm not actually picking on him that much, just that he generalize Monash students "
much higher than most other colleges in msia". You can't say that, what he meant might also include public universities that are very reputable. Look at what he thinks of Public Universities students
QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 12 2009, 05:10 PM)
2nd... in general, well off kids (middle and upper class) do better in their studies... of course top 20% percentile of poor kids would be on par with top 50% of better off kids... whether u like it or not, well off kids have more advantages
4th, public unis are diluted by matriculation stuednts and we all know the standards of these kids
6th? excellent students? come on ... u gotta be kidding me... if u r talking about the top 10% public uni students.. then yes, these kids will do well no matter what they do.. d rest?
He's ditching public university students. I mean even you know that Monash students aren't "
much higher than most other colleges in msia" because of those extra students for extra money. So how can Monash Malaysia's quality of student be of higher standard than public universities students from UM, USM, UKM, UPM that are top 230-300+ in the world, are very selective and admits mostly excellent students and not any average rich boy because he's rich. That's why this guy really needs to watch what he is saying because people come in here to get information about the colleges/universities they're going into so I just want people to get the correct un-biased facts about things and not useless gossips or rumours that have nothing to do with the courses or etc. The reason why I do pick on him at some parts there is because he's been posting bad rumours about other uni such as MMU as well in the MMU thread and people were complaing about him. I mean, why do you have to spread bad rumours about other universities? This section of this forum is should be about giving information about the more academic stuff of the universities, not gossips or rumours. Just because every uni has some bad kids doesnt mean the whole uni is bad. Just like how Monash has some extra money making kids in it. There were also others I've seen simple posting bad rumours at other university's thread. Go take a look at the Swinburne vs MMU thread and some UPM thread.
QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 12 2009, 11:17 PM)
lowering doesnt mean they are failed students... do u have their results or r u quoting based on an article? n the site u quote from is just like an blog. no names ntg. it is a site with no academic value. well, u might just be jealous of ur friend, he might not get super high SAT results, but are urs higher than his? what's ur friends name? or u r just saying baseless statements.
Who's talking about failed students? Quote article? Man, didn't you press the link within that link?
http://www.collegeadmissionspartners.com/c...s-for-athletes/go click on possible violations of NCAA recruiting rules. It's a news from the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/n...gin&oref=sloginI'm not jealous of my friend because he is not even my friend, he's just a friend of a friend. In fact I was considering to be just like him, that's why I asked about the ice hockey team at monash, I like sports.
What do you mean the links i gave have no academic value?
for tunku abdul rahman's quote its lim kit siang's website man. That's credible enough. If you want more credible, it's written in Tunku Abdul Rahman's Book called "Political Awakening".
for the rest, like the World University Ranking, its from the Times Higher Education World Ranking Website man.
http://www.topuniversities.com/university_...s/fullrankings/go google if you dont believe me. This is the official website for the world ranking from Times.
When you're there, Check the Ranking of Monash University and then check the country listed. It's Australia. Not Malaysia, South Africa...etc. The other guy from swinburne university australia was also doubting the standard of Swinburne Malaysia.
and the MIT statement was from the official MIT website. go google.
http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/...ion/index.shtmlThe native american scholarship is from montana university website
http://www.montana.edu/wwwnss/images/Nativ...arshipGuide.pdfQUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 12 2009, 11:17 PM)
what US is doing doesnt mean it is right, they attack iraq doesnt mean it is right, they jail ppl in guantanamo doesnt mean it is right.
and what MIT is doing is to diversify their students, unlike MARA/ or any public unis which gives short cuts to certain ppl because of their skin colour.
they are allowing minorities not just because of their skin colour but also their results. u think just because ur skin is darker u can enter? think twice. they are allowing the cream of the crop of each community to enter.
Nope, that's the thing you just contradicted yourself. First you say what US is doing isn't right, but then you promote that MIT what MIT is doing is to diversify. It shows that you're supporting the US. Come on man, read US history, they're clearly doing that because of the damage that was done for 200 years before they give equal opportunities.
What you say about Mara is clearly baseless and seriously typical non-bumiputra statement that usually comes out of nowhere. It's not something new. What Mara is doing is to diversify the economy, read malaysian history too man. and Mara doesn't accept students that easily man, lately I just called Mara for overseas scholarship asking if I could change course when I wanted to apply for the scholarship then they asked me how much my cgpa was for my diploma and I said 3.5 cgpa, the minimum cgpa for the scholarship was 3.5 and they say that if I want to change course, usually the panel of interviewers would not support me as it is not something I can try just like that. See what I mean? They still look at academic achievements. And the panel of interviewers are not Mara people but lecturers according to their majors and I'm not doing Medic or engineering dude, I'm doing mass communication and I wanted to change to finance, you thought bumis could get a scholarship with 3.5 cgpa? If I could get that scholarship so easily I wouldn't be here talking to you about Monash university and the ice hockey club. Now I can't take SAT nor even fly to the US because even with 3.5cgpa which is considered already quite good, they won't support me, that's why I have to join local universities because MARA take merit into account and they don't support all courses, they only support those critical courses like medic, engineering, finance, account.. Don't believe me, call MARA
http://www.mara.gov.my/web/guest/home <-- number's. The indians have their own quotas and Maika to support them. You can also google Mara's Skim Pelajar Cemerlang SPC Scholarship. I have a copy that I keep showing the eligiblity, you want me to show you in person? PM me and I'll give you my hp number and we can meet up. 3.5 CGPA is like the standard minimum eligibility for any other scholarships that are open for all races as well man. You want lower minimum eligibility? 3.4 cgpa minimumTake the MONBUKAGAKUSHO japanese scholarship 2009
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/652226My sister didn't even get the MARA scholarship last time back because last time they put the minimum requirements to be 3.8 CGPA for medicine, and she got 3.49 CGPA for the matriculation with her 2nd semester being 3.8 gpa.
MIT affirmative action functions almost just the same.
You seriously haven't answered my question, If I were to fight for equal opportunities in the future, would you actually join me? This is the only way to prove that you actually care for others that are poor.
QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Apr 12 2009, 11:17 PM)
i am not saying that lower class dont have the opportunity to move up, just that they have to work harder. if everything is based on merit and not skin colour, the world would be a better place. jpa takes in account of family income, and this provides opportunity for the good and poor students to excel. if u dont get good results, u expect the ppl to give u fundings just because u r poor? u only have urself to blame if u dont do well.
you have ur rights, and you can say what u want, i shall let other ppl judge me and u. and dont u try to belittle me just because u spoke to some american. i live among them for 3 years and will be going back next week.
btw, do u get confused because u dont understand what am i posting or is it your english instead? i wonder...
For your information JPA and MARA do take in account family income. Just look at what these people here at this Malaysian students community forum are talking about :
http://www.recom.org/forum/showthread.php?p=126128Not just that, my chinese friend just got Rm600 000k scholarship to study in the US and as you may not know he is not even that poor to begin with, he had money to go to the US on his own but because he was an excellent student in my school last time, JPA gave him a scholarship, and let me tell you this, during his JPA scholarship meeting, there were 6 students that were given scholarships to go to the US and ALL of them were non-bumiputras. Surprise? They do take merit in account. You wanna meet him? I seriously can intro him to you when he comes back for break. Maybe you're jealous because you didn't get any scholarship so you blame MARA or JPA as being racist when they're actually just being like MIT. So you wanna meet my friend?
A lot of the scholarships in Malaysia are given to poorer kampung people as well, my other friend who is under JPA scholarship to study in Australia lately was sent to study in australia along with a bunch Malaysian students that are mostly kampung people until he got really sick of them cause he was from the city.
Like I said, Malaysia is a country ruled by the people who were "conquered" and resources stole and society divided into different races by the British Divide and Rule Strategy. They even divided india into 3, bangladesh, india and pakistan. America is a land of the red indians that was conquered by the europeans including british people. Means the america you see now is ruled by the "Conquerors". So you can't expect Malaysia to use the same affirmative action. If you're a smart person that cares about the poor, and knows history, you would think about this.
If there was no what you called as "shorter cuts" as in no quotas for the Malays and Indians and no MARA for the Malays nor Maika for the indians in Malaysia back since then, then Malaysia right now would have a few cities filled with very rich chinese communities and the majority of the rest of Malaysia would be filled with the Malaysian version of skinny african kids mainly from Malay and Indian ethnicities as a result from the british divide and rule strategy and their unequal opportunities given to the races back in the days of the British Colonization. Is that what you've been dreaming off? Totally heartless.
Read up on Malaysian History and American History, Seriously man.Get confused because of my english? You want me to get my american friend here to clarify that for you?
Ok SelrahC, I don't wanna flood this thread with arguments, I just want you to start knowing the proper facts and stop spreading useless information around here and also to care about the poor people. Just because you're rich does not mean that you don't need to help the poor. This is about defending justice and giving others opportunities. And I'm not talking about this just because I want my rights or anything, I dont even have any rights to claim. I already have my rights as a bumiputra if I want some special juice. If only you could think the same.
So now I'm gonna save you that one last post for you give me your best proof to counter me regarding ALL the things and EVERY single thing that I have said and I'm not gonna fight back. And you must have good history knowledge as well for your counter-attack. The opportunity is all yours man. Let the people decide which information is more truthful and selfless.
This post has been edited by Iliveunderwater: Apr 13 2009, 03:53 AM