donno the message come is true or not.heard that sarikie is going to be in danger for enforcement cause those owner willing to burn down own cars to show white hair their guts if the enforcement dismentle their farm.some said this is only income to support their children to study oversea ,car installment and duit pasar.now they dun have income how to pay cars and ask their childer sell satay oversea to pay their own bills

Since we got a few buddha fans here in this forum, every times they got nothing to say and don't want to admit they are wrong, they will bring up Buddha teaching liked they know anything about Buddhism..

Let's talk about Buddha then, from my minimal knowledge :

From a book title : A Taste Of Freedom by Ven Ajahn Chah :

We peoples don't want suffering, we want happiness. But in fact happiness is just a refined form of suffering. Suffering itself is the coarse form. You can compare them to a snake. The head of the snake is really dangerous, it has the poisonous fangs. If you touch it, the snake will bite straight away. But never mind the head, even if you go and hold onto the tail, it will turn around and bite you just the same, because both the head and the tail belong to the one snake.

In the same way, both happiness and unhappiness, or pleasure and sadness, arise from the same parent - wanting. Just that infatuation !. So When you're happy the mind isn't peaceful. It really isn't. For instance, when we get the things we like, such as wealth, prestige, praise or happiness, we become pleased as a result. But the mind still harbours some uneasiness because we're afraid of losing it. That very fear isn't a peaceful state. Later on we may actually lose that thing and then we really suffer. Thus, if you aren't aware, even if you're happy, suffering is imminent. It's just the same as grabbing the snake's tail - if you don't let go it will bite. So whether it's the snake's tail or its head, that is, wholesome or unwholesome conditions, they're all just characteristics of the wheel of Existence, of endless change."

What Buddha trying to say is to end the suffering, we have to separate this happiness and unhappiness from the mind.



So, ANY OF YOU HERER ESPECIALLY THOSE BUDDHA PREACH BOY BOY...

YOU PREACH ABOUT IT BUT YOU NEVER FOLLOW !!!....

SO DON'T PREACH BUDDHISM TO US...

WE ALL KNOW BUDDHISM...BUT HOW MANY HERE CAN DO IT IN PRACTICAL LIFE...WELL...EXCEPT MONK.

DEFINATELY NOT FARMERS N NOT TIRUK !!!!

WE FARMERS HAPPY WHEN BIRDS ENTER OUR FARMS...

WE FARMERS NOT HAPPY WHEN BIRDS ENTER OTHER PEOPLES FARM BUT NOT OUR FARM!!!..

WE FARMERS HAPPY WHEN OTHER PRAISE HIS FARM IS A SUCCESS!!!

WE FARMERS NOT HAPPY WHEN OTHER SAID HIS FARM IS A FAILED FARM !!!...



SO PLEASE DON'T PREACH ABOUT BUDDHISM IN THIS FORUM MR TIRUK.


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Added on February 19, 2009, 9:49 pmCalvinswiftlet.....This is exactly what the majority of farmers is facing.

Most of them rely on nests income to survive.

And to close down farms is like breaking their rice bowl!!!...

Where are they going to find money to feed their childrens??....




TO THOSE WHO HAD INTENDED TO DO JUST THAT TO BREAK OTHER PEOPLES RICE BOWL !!!...


DAMN YOU !!!!..


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This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 19 2009, 10:10 PM

I think that second round of bad karma have already started in Sarawak . Whole roll of shophouses were totally burned down to the ground in MUKAK this morning. Can this be just a coincident ?? we will see.

H is using so many rolls of toilet paper rubbing his head every day and its getting bigger and bigger. If H nose stare to fall off then comfirm lah ! cannot run away from Bad karma . worse when he get sooo famous and we all want to shake hands with him , we might be shaking his hands without the body attached to it . Laugh until si si come out. HAHAHA

Successful farmer with 50 nest in 1.5 years ( Less say 50 % discount so maybe 25 nests ? kia su BAH ! ! beware Buddha may be angry because you should be the last person to talk about Buddhism. You know I can easily tell you six step to revamp your BH . With hundreds circling on the top , 100 nest in 1 year I will jump into the river in front of your BH. My expection 200 nest . You cannot do big business without BIG ideas.

Fools always win with their experiances

Since I had appealed to Buddha's wisdom to guide me I would presume you are implying I was preaching. Of course Tirok did quote Buddha. Not that I know who you meant but let's not get personal and look at the issue directly if we are able to.

In order for you to make the judgement above you have to know more than just the teachings of buddha, which you claimed to have minimal knowledge of. You would need to know that what the person said was really wrong.

Let me give a simple example. I was in india for quite a few months. At the ashram that I stayed, the village nearby was very poor. So much so that they don't have food to feed their dogs. So the dogs mostly eat shit - human shit most of the time as cowdung had commercial value and often get collected very quickly. I mentioned this to a group of people when I came back and they thought it was impossible. Dogs just don't eat shit. So they thought I was bull-shitting.

Recently I saw my dogs eating goat shit on my farm. I asked my wife, who is from vietnam, if she had ever seen dogs eat shit. She said not goat shit but human shit.

Because of our shared experience I knew she was telling the truth. But to others who had no knowledge or similar experience would discount it as fabrication.

If there is no basic humility to have a simple acknowledgement that we ourselves could be wrong we will always think others are wrong. And of course that makes you happy. It is a strange reason for happiness but it does make us happy for all the wrong reason.

Just like the lynch mobbing that is going on here. The first victim of such lynch mobbing is decency and truth.

There are a few new interesting players in this group. They are nice, pleasant and cooperative for their own reason.


And what do you yourself, not only understand what he said, but really realised the truth contained within ?

When others quoted a simple quote you said they are preaching while you splashed an entire paragraph and think it is revelation.

So with your limited knowledge and understanding is this happiness of yours, running down anyone who disagrees with you, the flip side of your unhappiness. Are you so unhappy that you needed to railroad and rundown others ?

Buddha was asked what is delusion ? When you see a rope and think it is a snake. That's delusion. But this is not so dangerous. When you see a snake and think it is a rope, that's when you can be bitten over and over again without ever knowing it. The second part is not from Buddha but from me. You create karma, bitten by your own snake, and yet do not know it.

Isn't this an excuse for doing what is wrong ? Since we are not monks so therefore we don't have to follow what is decent and right. Such rationalisation is the clever snake that bites you on your tush.

I had chosen to hold my piece because the alternative is silly and unnecessary. Swiftlets had been reared in man-made houses for years on end without any problem. Why move them ? It will only cause unnecesary strains and stresses and definitely some death will take place. There is no reason for doing so. And it was for that reason that I had held my piece.
Let me assure you I am not lying about what I had said. So you go figure.

Please do not cast slurs and aspersions when you know little of what goes on in people's heart and mind. Least of all follow the script of people with less than noble intentions. Have a little space and understanding in your heart. Try it sometime it is really liberating.

Truth are often painful but it is ALWAYS liberating. As I had asked previously, how many of you can handle truth ?

This post has been edited by chiongguo: Feb 20 2009, 12:03 AM

Gentlemen,

Please stop finger pointing to Tirokswift. He was merely being misled at the initial state when the truth hasn’t surfaced. Anyone of us could have done same for a friend whom we thought is a trustable gentleman. But now with all the truth surfaced, I personally believe that Tirokswift should be wise enough to differentiate black and white and know the right course of action. So far, we didn’t see Tirokswift agree or encourage H to continue the wrong doing except that he didn’t believe it initially. Our group made the same mistake too as ‘H’ was our old friend.

Please stop barking at the innocent tree. The ‘H’ is the only culprit and not others. We can and always are prepared to forgive mistake done unwittingly by especially old friend provided he realised and promised not to repeat it. But how could we forgive and forget an old friend cum buddy who adamantly insists on a notorious act which will cause disaster on our lifelines despites he already being advised and cautioned? Does he still consider and treasure our friendship? If he doesn’t, then he isn’t our friend anymore and as he is still trying to put sands into our rice bowl, we have to fight to defend by going after him no matter where he goes till he stops it completely. His stupid act doesn’t affect only a small group but also many Malay owners in whole Malaysia. In fact, we have the full backing of many new Malay shop house type BH owners with us. Our Persatuan is a multi racial and true one Malaysian organization. We speak only Malaysians’ interest. David Lim is known never speaks of ethnic individual interest for he and all of us consider ourselves only Malaysians. He only speaks of GOOD and EVIL.

Rightfully, we should quiet down as we prepared to forgive and forget should the culprit showed remorse and promise not to do it again to harm the industry. But it looks like he is not remorseful at all to stop it; instead he is trying to do the rampage further by moving to Perak and later other states with his evil plot again. He has now become NO 1 PUBLIC ENEMY to all the M’sian multi racial BH owners. His action is stirring up the HORNETS’ NEST. He was cautioned not to cause PUBLIC WRATH. He doesn’t bother. He is not challenging only a few but the whole industry. For only a little personal gain and ego to him, he is prepared to sacrifice the interest of this industry in which lifelines of million depended on. All the owners must unite together to whack him like A RAT RUNNING IN OPEN STREET without mercy. If anyone has mercy on such idiot means he too has no mercy for all of us.


None of us could tolerate and afford that. So, as from now each and every one shall start an ANTI-ISMAIL AHMAD@HAIRLESS COCK campaign nationwide. We just notice that he shares the same ugly name with the racist UMNO Mamak of Penang. We wonder whether they are brothers. We shall inform all owners to sabotage and report everything that this idiot involved. And that includes anybody condoning and or defending his wrong doings. We believe all his friends and relatives with the right mindset if come to know would not agree with him. Our Muslim friends considered him as a very bad Muslim. As not only that he does nonsense and cheating against the good teaching of Islam for personal little gain and ego at the expense of all communities, but also he drinks alcohol and eats pork which many know. He even tried to sell the good name of many senior officials e.g Dr Redzuan of the Haiwan to boost his own image.


Please find out too which innocent Govt officer invited him. It must be from the PBT PUSAT, PUTRAJAYA. Please alert all the Govt Depts in all states of him. Spread this message to all available blogs or email the message to the officials concerned. There are many truly recognised, sincere and experienced speakers including Malays with us who we can provide to help educate the public in forums if requested.


David Lim says please feel free to make use of his comprehensive report on the industry as long as it is for a good cause. Anyone can post it in any blog. He did it for all the Malaysians in this country. The wealth from the god should be shared by all. No one should try to do monopoly with it. He even appeals to anybody who could help to translate it into Chinese language so to benefit those Chinese speaking owners. If it can be done in Tamil is even better. The more Malaysians especially the Govt officials read it the better for this industry. So less people be cheated or misled by evil person like the ‘H’. And that go the same with my posts. Feel free to post them in any blog for a good cause.


For your info, all the Excos and top civil service officials in Kedah and Penang are having this latest report of David Lim since quite sometime ago.

H wants to draf another guidelines on how to breed baby swiftlets. This will indicate to Perhilitan people that baby swiftlets can be breed and taken care of. Next time when they remove nests from BH those nests with babies will not be spared because they think the owner can take it back to breed. Another misleading guidelines. DANGER!

This post has been edited by Semuabumi: Feb 20 2009, 01:16 AM

Hi, Can I have David Lim tel: ?

This post has been edited by KJY: Feb 20 2009, 01:21 AM

YOU ARE RIGHT CHIONGGUA,

THATS WHAT I AM SAYING, YOU HATE PEOPLE WHO DON'T PRACTICE BUDDHISM TO TALK ABOUT BUDDHISM !!!...

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, DON'T PREACH WHAT YOU DON'T PRACTICED !!!!

DON'T QUOTE IF YOU YOURSELVES NOT FOLLOWING !!!..

QUOTING OR PREACHING BUDDHISM DOES NOT MEKE YOU INNOCENT OR HIGHER UP !!!...

JUST LIKED YOU !!! YOU ANGRY WHEN I SAID SOME PREACHED HERE....THEN YOU BECOMES UNHAPPINESS, WHEN YOU WRITE TO FIGHT BACK...YOU FEEL HAPPY !!!....

THEN YOU SEE MY COMMENTS...YOU BECOMES EVEN MORE UNHAPPY !!!

THEN THIS CONTINUE ....CONTINUE....CONTINUE !!!.....


SO, DON'T TALK NONSENCE HERE. UNLESS YOU ARE A MONK THAT OWN NOTHING EXACEPT CLOTHS THAT YOU WEAR, AND YOU ARE PRACTICING IT EVERYDAY, ELSE PLEASE KEEP IT TO YOURSELVES.

WE CAN LEARN BUDDHISM FROM OUR MONK, NO NEED YOU.


YOU ARE THE SAME, YOU PISSED OFF WHEN SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T LIKED!!..

YOU UNTIL NOW DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH AS THE SNAKE NEVER BITE YOU.

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Added on February 20, 2009, 7:35 am

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO SPREAD THE NEWS TO THE WHOLE MALAYSIA??

WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED??

I THINK WE HAVE TO TRANSLATE HIS PAPER INTO CHINESE AS LOTS OF THEM CANNOT READ ENGLISH OR MALAY.

LUCAS1 IS RIGHT, WE NEED VOLUNTEER TO TRANSLATE DAVID LIM REPORT INTO MANDARIN TOO.

ANYONE HERE CAN HELP TRANSLATE IT??


(Don't be surprise our Holy man's will preach here in the next post of what wrongs we are doing!!!....)

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Added on February 20, 2009, 7:48 amWE HAVE TO STOP HIM FROM DAMAGING THE INDUSTRY.

NO SURPRISE THAT HE WILL WRITE ALL KINDS OF GUIDELINES THAT WILL MAKE GOVT OFFICERS NOTICED HIM SO THAT HE CAN GET SOME CHEAP FREE PUBLICITY !!!...

LETS HELP HIM UP.

WE WILL PUBLICIZE FOR HIM, LETS TELL EVERY SINGLE FARMER IN MALAYSIA INCLUDING SABAH SARAWAK AND INDONESIA TOO...

LETS DO IT IN ASIA !!!!.....THINK ASIA !!!!!


WITH INTERNET, WE CAN DO IT.

LETS SEE WHO CAN COVER WHICH STATE AND THOSE EMPTY, WE WILL TRY TO GET SOMEONE TO HELP UP.

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This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 20 2009, 07:55 AM

John from Melacca..........
heard his monthly bird nest turnover more than few hundred kgs........
rumours... one of his BH is converted from cinema...............
Not understand why switlet in Melacca like watching movie in cinema also ??????????
Because of these Swiftlet watching movie without ticket.......... john close the cinema for the sake of the nest.........

a very close friend to lee kong heng kuantan..............
a good guy or not .............. no comments ........ never meet him before.............
if anybody forum member here from Melacca i think at least should look him up ......... as he is pioneer in Malacca.......any way you only losing some of your spare time only................ No worth if you are no meet him up........... provided he have spare time for you too....................................

This post has been edited by tongserseng: Feb 20 2009, 09:53 AM

You should read Page 3 post 51, in case you are really new here.

This post has been edited by Engineer Lee: Feb 20 2009, 09:59 AM

Ian oh,
S wis for swiftlet...
just to lazy to spell out.
Wats so vulger bout tat , ian

Uncle Ben

There are many of us who wish to be like you, that is helping others although many of us would most likely end up struggling to make a living. That is why I decided to venture into swiftlet farming. Someone rightly or wrongly once said that “…to help the needy you should not be in need in the first place”. Many of us, me in particular, hope to generate a steady source of income from swiftlet farming and then be able to pursue our ideals…..research, charity or volunteer work etc

I am very upset by what is happening in Sarawak now. Buying time by whatever means seems to be the only option there for now. Most of us have a strong sentiment to the birds and the birdhouse we have painstakingly nurtured. So it is rather depressing to see them being destroyed by greedy people in the guise of upholding the law. Justice will prevail. Like bee-keeping, swiftlet keeping promote life. You will be blessed for your charity work and being a good hearted swiftlet farmer.

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For those of us in semenanjung, we must find ways and means to work with the authorities to allow swiftlet farming in town. We must not play along with any suggestions that birdhouses can be relocated together with the birds. If we can set a precedent to stay in town, then we may be able to help our Sabah/Sarawak fellow swiftlet farmers. Looks like some very good development in the Kedah meeting. Many thanks for those who had managed to get the Kedah officials to have a clear understanding of things hence enabling them to make better decisions. The Kedah meeting is certainly very important to all of us as it has far reaching consequences for the swiftlet keeping in Malaysia.

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So all you guys who has worked tirelessly, I wish you live a long happy life. For the rest of the swiftlet farmers, we must practice zero killing of the birds.

Let us take a postive and fair view on this. The outcome of Kedah meeting was very positive. Actually we may have to thanks Harry for alerting us because he announced it openly in his blog that he was invited. If not we might not have even known that such a meeting is going to take place. As a result David Lim & team sprung into action and has managed to get into the meeting & steered it in the proper direction.

We all know that Harry should have advised the meeting organiser to invite other like David Lim and/or Association reps. Now it is going to be Perak's turn, (thanks to Harry again announcing in his blog). I do hope Harry has learned his lessons, to do what is appropriate and not perceived to be a loose canon that need to be spiked.

Ben,

Are sarawak farmers bring the case to court to buy time? Court case ... 3-5 yrs? Better than 2 yrs grace period.

Understand if someone occupied your land without permission for many years and if you want them to move out you cant just tear down their house. If go to court also need 3-5 yrs before case can settle. That is law. Unless someone says no law in Sarawak, only white hair law aka law of the jungle!

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Feb 20 2009, 03:50 PM

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...6872&sec=nation
http://www.easterntimes.com.my/index.php?n...s_content=10531
http://www.easterntimes.com.my/index.php?n...s_content=10544

The situation in Sarawak is worrying and alarming. It seems that all avenues to rescue were exhausted and all attempts were futile. The voice of ranchers has fallen onto deaf ears and they are so powerless to fight with the villain!!!

I am afraid and have a bad feeling that it’s a matter of time soon we will start to taste the spill-over in Semenanjung,
if we are not persevering enough to stop it in time.

“All great historical events happen twice:-
The first time as tragedy,
And the second, at times, as an unnecessary tragedy.”
(A witticism offered with apologies to both Hegel and Marx)

Question is : Do we want to sit and wait to let this outright action of overbearing happen again and again? Wait for the Samaritan appear to help us? Or shall we help ourselves to help all, stand up to take the bull by the horns now?

Just think about it. All of us have a stake in for long term survival of this industry.

All for One and One for All. Peace!

This post has been edited by Engineer Lee: Feb 20 2009, 05:22 PM


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Uncle Ben,

Have we apply for Court Injunction yet??..or apply liao but still continue??


So besides talking about what the guidelines correct n wrong...can we list out things that should be omitted from the draft copy?.

You will help those who will send their recommendations to the kedah office a big help.

We lives in a country where it is liked cowboy country.

It will becomes worse.....
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This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 20 2009, 05:59 PM

Friend, u not really know him. Actually he want to show off, but he never expect the ending is like that

H was in cloud 9 and boasting and shouting from the top of the tallest building in Malaysia thinking this will give him the endorsements and a licience to con more Newbie like me.Little did he realized that it would back fired and exopsed his evil intent. I like to tell you a story about a little robin shall we call Hairy

Its was such a bad winter and Hairy the robin was perched on the lower branch of a very big tree (tukang gigi ) and dying from starvation. A bull came by the tree for shelter and drops a big patch of dunk right below the branch where Hairy was struggling to hold on to stay alive. Finally he was so weak that a small breeze swings the branch just so slightly and hairy fall right on the top of the cattle pat.

In desperation hairy dig in and feast on the cow dunk. Eating shit hairy quickly regains strength and quickly flew back on the tree but this time flew right to the very top of the tree and shitting down on the tree that gave him shelter a little while ago.


Like all robins he was singing on the top of his voice trying to attract all the girls around him. He was making so much noise that attracted the attention of a small boy who started to throw stones at him, but hairy thinking that he was so high up that the boy will not be able to hit him and continue singing . The boy tried harder and finally one good shot hit hairy’s large head as a result of rubbing them with toilet paper. The seriously injured hairy fall from the top of the tree and landed dead , right on the top of the BULL SHIT.

I have always thought that you need a court order to break into a building legally and why the these have to happened in Sarawak. This is day light robbery and yet nothing can be done. Is this Malaysia kind of justice and what type of Law is this?? Do we have a Lawyer Tan or Judge Wong @ forum to explain to us from the point of Law????? Get a court injunction to prevent such incidence from happening again and seek legal redress for those BHs destroyed but I beleive all Sarawak BH owners are really afraid of offending the WH and his gang so they rather open their door for taxation. Better pay protection money to the gang to approve your BHs if you are afraid but I personally will never pay to legal gangsters, I rather they burn down my BHs if they insist to open.....burn down together with those who try to tear down the BH. If I have my way, I will fight the bad guys in court till the end...it is better then to beg for lesser punishment for no wrong today and promise allow them to punish you later. Paying compound for having a BH is to admit wrong doing and anytime in the future, they can tear down your BH because you have admitted wrong doing.

Above, are my personal comments on the matter (I am not a Lawyer) as I really feel sad and helpless for you all BHs owners @ Sarawak all seem not be doing anything positive at all...... unless I wasn't in the light. Pardon me if I am wrong and I hope that I am wrong!!!
Agreed tp move in 3 years or 5 years, then what unless you are buying time to change the sky. Any sky will be better than the one now....

(edited...i no longer have mood liao...)
It is this forum that i realised many malaysians still lives in wonderland.

Nothing wrong with it....we are been breed this way.


SAD BUT TRUE...



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WEST WING, CALM DOWN. JUST CALM DOWN...

This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 20 2009, 09:52 PM