Hahaha...........lucky false alarm........hahahaha.......or else all swiftlets in 100s of square km will have to become satay legally by the Haiwan regulation....all malaysian nests be destroyed....hahaha......

but lucas what the local gov here scare is the virus will mutant maybe 3 or maybe 5 years (just pridict)to carried on swiftlet so next time they wanna control shut down it already too late. this is what they explain that why they wanna take action on town farm. another web about species from affected. http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/disease_informati...ecies_chart.jsp

This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: Feb 22 2009, 01:26 PM

"Some early analytical studies used edible nest extractas a substrate to investigate viral sialidase activity and the haemagglutination inhabiting actions against infulenza virus (Howe et al., 1960;1961). A more recent discovery is the first avian epidermal growth factor (EGF)-like activity in partially purified swiftlet's nest extrace (Ng et al 1986; Kong et al; 1987). It has been suggested that this water - soluble glycoprotent with a complex protent composition might influence more than ony psysiological parameter to effect its purported medicinal properties. "

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Above is extracted from SWIFT LETS of BORNEO by Datuk Lord Carnbrook and DR. Lim Chan Koon page 15 and 16. These Scientists I repeattttt !!! SCIENTISTS after many years research have found that swift lets nest have a natural inhibiters against Virus see enclosed . Dr Reazuan and his team have done more than 10,000 swabs throughout Malaysia since the onset of the bird flu in chickens around South East Asia few years ago and have not found a single positive result to date. He reconfirmed his findings during GAHP in Kuching recently.

Please do not demonize swiftlets to raise unwelcome attention at these difficult times. Please raise your concerned for the millions of migratory Cattle Egrets ,starlings, swallows, sparrows, snips and ducks that came in from as far as Mongolia , Japan , South China, Vietnam ,Thailand to winter here. These birds by the millions are roosting on electric wires , telephone lines , ornamental trees planted by Town Councils ,On roof tops, ledges and five foot way throughout Malaysia dumping tons of droppings in town and cities centers. Tenom in Sabah alone estimated 1 ml swallows roosted in town every night. These birds came from and through Bird Flu countries. Wild birds are the culprits but there is no money to harp on them. So who cares ! Please complain to your councils.

Ah! Swiftlest wah! 10 kg per months and that one wah ! 20 kg. per month suddenly they smell money . So control them ,this license and that license , tax . Well this is still ok. Then Approval kopi o, inspections kpoi o renewal of license kpoi o . belief me there will be no end. Beware the shutting of BH now is only the beginning of creating venue for extortions.

Worse Hairy even indentify (With Photos) which BH produce 100 Kg per month to alert would be robbers. I don’t know if he is receiving any commission or not ?? Can you see how dangerous it is to Shaw Hairy your investments. It’s ok if they just rob you but robbers are desperate these days they carry guns and you may lose your life.

From my simple mind that tell me that only birds whose feet touches the ground could get bird flu like chicken, ducks and others even bird of prey.

Swiftlets never touches the ground and virus will never reach and affect swiftlets unless thru human. That' the reason I always against human feeding swifltets and the swiftlet are feed by dirty hands and lay to rest on the infected floor full with dangerous virus and bacteria.

Swiftlet has antibody that fight viruses and that why the nests are good for the lung. I always tell myself to take plenty of BN regularly and be virus free and so far for the past many years, I don't even has simple cold.......honest and the true.


Again, above is my littler understanding of swiftlets and I am so confidence that for the past over 10 years, I never wear any protection in my BH full of B & S and I am still here talking to you all after over 10 years serving my precious swiftlet. Sometime< I spend over 5 hours in the BH doing harvesting and maintenance job, then washing up and putting my legs in to a pond outside the BH to allow the fishes to clean my legs. You should try it as the fishes do a nice job of servicing you tired feets.

Should Swiftlets carry the virus, I shall be the first to get it......unless jealous and bad man has a hand in it........

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Added on February 22, 2009, 4:59 pmAnother thing is be very careful, if there is a outbreak of bird flu in your area, all birds within 5 kilometer will be destroyed including swiftlets even we all know that swiftlet never carry the virus.

Don't rear chicken or and birds for that matter near your BH and discourage other from doing so.......otherwise, you do have a clean up BH and nothing can be done.....................warning.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Feb 22 2009, 04:59 PM

Copy Of Mesyuarat Jawatankuasa Perancangan Negeri Kedah Darul Aman Kali Ke 104 (1/2009)

Agenda 3.1.4 :Garis Panduan Perancangan Premis Burung Walet - Pihak Berkuasa Tempatan Negeri Kedah Oleh Pengarah Perancangan Bandar Dan Desa Negeri Kedah.




http://worldofswiftletfarming.blogspot.com...erancangan.html

This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 22 2009, 08:58 PM

ben ...any news for serikai?

Hi, I am new in this forum. But i am really interested in doing a BH. Can anyone advice me on realiable contractors that have experience in building a 3 storey BH? And how much is it per sq feet? Appreciate your advice.

Thanks

Hah !!! How did you come to that conclusion ?

Hah !!!! How did you come to that conclusion ? Exactly what have I done or said in this group to cause you to form such a conclusion ? Or do you know something that I don't ?

ROTFLOL.....Try looking in the mirror and saying out loud that advice you just gave me.

Never thought of it that way. Are you so insecure to feel threatened and diminished just because I said I followed Buddha's advice ? Oh, btw. How did you come to that conclusion ?


Tickle!tickle!tickle......I was angry ?

I couldn't hold it anymore.....ROTFLOL....with both legs kicking in the air ....

You are hilarious, SiKay !


You need to do a reality check. So when you quoted Ajahn Chah, were you talking nonsense as well....even tried putting words into Ajahn's mouth.

When was I trying to teach you buddhism ? Oic, you felt diminished because I said I had appealed to someone's wisdom that I cherished ?


Oh no...not pissed off. Pissed on and you know jolly well who is doing it !!


I couldn't contain myself... I have do another episode of ...ROTFLOL...with 3 of my legs kicking in the air...

Old Teacher, You got so much energy Why not arrange a meeting with Mr harry and helped out swiftlet farming community !!!..

You have been from the first day talk sense but given no solution.

This is not your classroom, we are not your students !!!!

If you think you are so right, so let it be...You are right.


Please make use of your brain in a better way.

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Added on February 23, 2009, 8:15 amMaybe we should arrange Mr Chioggua to attend a meeting and lets see what he can do in the meeting. Maybe they will politely gives permission as he is a Retired Teacher. Then we all students can learn from him. He make so much sense and refuse to believe others are smarter than him.

And guys, don't waste time on this guy. Just concentrate on the main issue.



This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 23 2009, 08:17 AM

So you have been digging for dirt, hah ? I bet you think you have found a lot and even became over-excited with your discovery. I am just wandering who was the idiot who arranged for swiftlet shelter investors in kuantan to harass me. Is this how a person could help ? Character assassinate, malign, shout down and bully anyone into submission just so that you could have your way.


I believe the test of the pudding is in the eating. I challenge anyone to look at all the posts I had made here to prove what Sikay had said. And also do look at Sikay's post as well and see if he had offered any solution ???? Really I had tried looking. Most of the time he acts like the cheer-leader, loutish bully, character assassin and forum thug.


I wonder what gave you the impression that I was even teaching.

I had shared my views, offered opinions, sought counsel, explain when asked, support (not teach) what I had said with a bit of theory(for not all are technically inclined) etc. These are very common behaviour in an open forum.

What is not common is your incessant need to run down anyone and everyone who disagrees with you or with whom you felt a threat. It is also not common to have to shout so much.

It is not about whether I think I am right but more importantly that IT IS RIGHT.

Your opinion or my opinion of what is right is not important. A million could say that the truth is a lie, it does not change the truth. Similarly a million could say that a lie is the truth, it still doesn't make it the truth.

I have no doubt that you are smart. If I had students like you my teaching career would have been so much more exciting.

There is a thin line between been smart and devious. If you think you could harass and destroy my reputation in my real life as you and your goon squad had done to harry you will be very much mistaken. Someone more powerful and influential had already done it....so there is actually very little left 8-).



And what is the main issue, Sikay ?

Yes, Herr General , we will not waste time on this guy 8-)



This post has been edited by chiongguo: Feb 23 2009, 08:57 AM

My dear friends:

I seek for your kindness not to continue the tit for tat liao, it does not do us good to read thru all the truth and nothing but the truth.

No matter what, I believe that we all love swiftlet farming! Yes, we are all friends here and we should continue to be friends and work as a team to tackle curent issues.

We share one thing in common, we all are friends of swiftlet!!! (Except H & his gang lah).

That’s why we are here willing to spend our precious time discussing everything about this industry tirelessly and selflessly…

I know CK is a very nice and good-hearted young man, he is the first person that calling and encouraging everyone visiting C’s google group to discuss the new guideline.

C also contributed a lot of good ideas in this forum, we all knew that.

We cannot force others change their minds and actions, but we can always change ours’. We cannot stop others talking something we dislike but we can choose to talk nice if we really want.

[quote=Lucas 1,Feb 21 2009, 05:16 PM]
Dear sifu and old timer swiftlet industry .............
As a newbie we hardly have a one way smooth journey in this swiftlet industry..............
Always bang the wall here and there..........
Any old timer and sifu can enlighten......... who is the helpful old timer in southen part of P. Malaysia ??????????
phang kam wah ???
wong tao onn ???
or someone else ?????????

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FORMULA
P = 15+ years in refrigeration service. Only 5 yr in BH industry. Well verse only Chinese. Very good convincer. Can talk to birds to go into empty house. Very innovative and top salesman and opportunist. Can create and sell everything including shit. Very good businessman. Everything no profit, no do, no friend, no guarantee. Very successful and strictly business.

W= pioneer, bought Datukship, speak only Chinese, mouth very smelly. Trade in all dried seafood including stolen nests. Treat association like personal sendirian berhad. Same feather like J, but cannot flock together. Cannot see eye to eye with P.

J=Very ‘good’ man, anyone go through him sure come out naked including his brothers, sister, nephews etc……..

[/quote]


Dear Lucas 1 and all Sifu........

Can give some feedback on Segamat bird nest king Raymond ????????????
Is he a good man ??????????????
Any recommendation of old timer or sifu in southen part of P. Malaysia which newbie can join them ??????????
Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!

We cannot force others change their minds and actions, but we can always change ours’. We cannot stop others talking something we dislike but we can choose to talk nice if we really want. Q:Engineer Lee

# 3 chinese at a meeting will have 3 different views or opinions on a same topic but at least, let it be for the betterment of Swiftlets and nothing else.

Let me give you a story of why the Korea is more developed than most of other countries , not because they are smart ( a Korean of Chinese decedent once told me that Korean are not smart), but because they all can be single minded and focus on one subject.

10 heads is always better than one smart head but if all BH owners (all are smart or otherwise won't be in the buz) heads are one, they can change the world...... and DL won't be begging for help............give your strength and time to DL................and his gang. ignore those traitors as we have informed all friends to beware of them and they will disappear.

Please do not bring RELIGION into this forum.

Let us talk about Swiftlet subjects only.

D.L. is still working alone in drafting a proposal for the new guideline, ...and he is burning midnight oils every night. Can any one help?

If you have, just write your ideas in this forum. Just write your propose draft of the new guideline here so that D.L. can read other peoples idea and maybe he can make use of it...

Please help.

Thats the main issue now, nothing else...


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This post has been edited by ChanK: Feb 23 2009, 10:39 PM

Dear friends,

Please focus on the objectives of this forum. One of the objectives is how to ensure the BH industry in Malaysia to thrive well so to benefit all including the economy of the country for a sustainable long term growth. We are here to share our individual knowledge and experience strictly related to the trade and find more positive ways to protect this trade from disarrayed or being abused by person or persons with evil intent to benefit little personal gain at the expense of preparing to put the future of this industry in which million lifelines depended on into jeopardy. Therefore, if anybody with evil motive trying to do that and being discovered, it is our common duty and obligation to expose it to alert all to find ways jointly to stop and prevent him from further damaging our legitimate common interest and rights. Such culprit should be taught and punished severely as a public nuisance. Anybody wittingly or unwittingly agreeing or defending such notorious act of his would definitely and unwisely cause on him too suspicion of being an accomplice or collaborator by the annoyed public. We agree that everyone does have a certain individual right but just as long as such right should not cross or harm the rights or interest of the majority. May be for some newbies who are new and have invested a little or yet to invest in this trade could afford it, but this is not so and tolerated for those old timers whose sole asset and lifesavings are in it. One would not feel the pain when he is not pinched.


Nobody here would like to gang and plot up to character assassinate or slander anybody for no reason, unless the culprit has been found causing great danger and threat to them, thus reserved and asked for. Not forgetting most of us here do not know each other. No valid reason to find fault and invite animosity.If one person is pointing finger to everybody saying they are bad as compared to everybody pointing finger to only that person and unanimously saying he is bad. Now, who are the real bad? For the observers, it is up to individuals intelligent to judge for himself the truth. Age does not count here. There is a saying; he who achieves first shall be my teacher in that particular field. Everybody is a master in their respective specialised field regardless of age. Seniority in age does not necessary make him master of all. Everyone has his own experience and wisdom in life. It is up to individual willing to share out or exchange their views pertaining to and strictly to the swiftlet farming in this forum either in the numerous MICRO issues or the MACRO events that affect the direction of the trade. Everybody is entitled to his opinion. And these could be different opinions and every opinion is a good opinion depending from which angle one looks from. But please ensure your opinion here is confined to the SWIFTLET FARMING in this forum. Only the most logical, reasonable, practical and benefitting to the majority will be discussed. Religion, racism and or any discriminating sensitive issues and any other irrelevant subjects should not be brought up here.


There is nowhere that this is my intention to direct the above to any particular person here. My sincere apology if anybody mistakenly feels that way. Please don’t get personal and there is no reason to get personal here. The above is strictly my opinion and general feeling and statement so to appeal to all avoid from being distracted from its original objective of this forum. We do have here some serious and urgent matters that if not tackled correctly and timely, would render more hardship to all involved in this industry. I appeal to all too jointly with sincerity to crack our heads to create positive solutions for this MACRO situation. Our main issues here shall be what do we expect from the Govt? How do we help the Govt to help us? What practical solutions we could propose to the Govt to help them to resolve the sound nuisance permanently? What sort of terms, conditions and procedures that we deem fit and proper to ensure the correct direction of this industry? We need positive inputs now as we are requested till end of February to submit our suggestions. If we can’t, then the officials who have never entered a BH before shall do it for us. Do we want that?


Let’s forget about the small teething problems due to misunderstanding or misinterpretation and come back to focus on the important and immediate issues that are going to affect our future.
Please go to the following link to download the proposed draft by the PBT and tell us with justifications which are the ones we can accept and which we can’t? Have your counter proposal post up here, please. This is teamwork.

http://worldofswiftletfarming.blogspot.com...erancangan.html

It is not a matter of tit for tat but a matter of basic principle. When you disagree with someone you try to destroy his idea and not the person. When harry presented thoughts and positions that the group felt threatened the group organised itself to destroy the man. When I pointed out that this shouldn't be the way forward I became the new target of attack. When I found researches that supported a position that the group again found threatened I became the new threat and had to be destroyed. I had presented what I found only after 2 days of finding it because I knew what will surely ensue. I made the reveleation so that the group could find mitigating arguments and reason.

Even now I got PM suggesting that I am attacking CK because of some vindictive streak in me but all could see that CK had been quite active and bilious in his attack of me - all the side swipes and backstabbing were accepted. And if you had looked at my responses it had really been very mild. So CK could do no wrong and I am always wrong.

Again look at how "H and his gang" were excluded as friends of swiftlet. Who put that notion in your head that H is some demon to be condemned and burned at the cross ?

I do not know about his ethics or his business and I have no reason to accept one way or another. I have seen how people could be demonised only to find later that much of it came from the hatred of others.

No one is trying to change anyone's mind. It is about putting your thoughts, your arguments, your facts, your experiences etc. with the hope that something coherent and benefitial for the industry could come out of it. It is not about trying to hang someone by his balls or threatened his family because he said something we disagree with. And in the person's real life some forummers here even organised posse to try to destroy the person.

I also received a PM to ask me to be relax. You decide if my responses had been measured and appropriate as compared with what was hurled at me.

This is what is called group think - the group can never be wrong. Remember you replied to my message once that you said that you people could think ? No one question your ability to think. All of us could think but what do we think with ? That is what separates the outcome of thoughts. If the content of our thoughts are filled with hatred, contempt, facts that others had fabricated and placed there, accusations etc. then the result of thinking with such content will be more of the same.


Let not the height of unreason dictate and determine the direction of the industry.

This post has been edited by chiongguo: Feb 23 2009, 11:36 PM

Now this is going to incurr a lot of behind the scene tsk!tsk!

Why is DL doing the job of the government ? The swiftlet shelter provider, as a group, could make its position clear and even critique the guideline but it should refrained from doing the job of the government. The consequences down the road can be unpredictable and the government will wash its hand of the consequences on the ground. What do we do then ? Blame DL ?

How could we know that what DL, on his own, could produce a document that will best serve the interests of the swiftlet community in particular and the larger community in general ?

Please understand that this is NOT ABOUT DL. It is about the process of discourse to come up with something that best represents the collective wishes, hopes and consciousness of a group of people. If it is done openly and collectively, as some people here had called for, there is then ownership and responsibility. Why place all the burden on one man ? And yes he is a man with all the fallibility of being one. As I had said before even the best minds constantly subjected their researches, ideas and thoughts for others to examine. The simple reason is that the mind is blind.

I suspect that many of us are not willing to make their views known and hope that DL will do what we ourselves should have done.

This is not a contest of ego and I have no interests in stealing any thunder from him or anyone - as circulated by some.

Now, who died and made you god ? Don't you see the arrogance of what you have just said ? You rationalise and justify lynch mobbing and even argued that the rape victim deserves been raped because of her own doing.

How many of us here had quoted or cited something outside the swiftlet industry ? Or related stories that don't seem relevant to the forum ?

And would you accept that character assassination is NOT part of SWIFTLET FARMING ?

Sheez....

Hey, what happened to the posts on the discussions and the positive inputs for the drafted guidelines? All disappeared??????

Till yesterday, there was a total of 170s posts.