QUOTE(vorchiel @ Jan 28 2009, 10:32 AM)
a) if it is outdated, what is the problem? they bundled the firmware in the disc according to the game's requirements (corresponding to the version of sdk/functionality used), not necessarily the latest. of course, some of the firmware check can be bypassed using rfom & f1:ce disc swap trick. but do it at your own risk/discretion.
b) how can a game company guarantees a game would run on any outdated system (or clueless consumer who dont have intertubes)? sony requires them to ship the firmware with the disc.
show me a game prompting an error that the game disc wouldnt run because of an outdated system, AND asks you to download it yourself from the internet.c) as a person who keeps track of sony firmware md5 hashes since the psp days, your point is moot. all firmware are region-free (psp & ps3).
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=898479http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?op=modlo...orum=87&start=0d) did you ever have a psp? how many 3rd party publishers bundled a firmware required to run their umd games?
answer = ALL
check any ps3 game disc using any pc with bd drive (or ps3 in linux mode) and you'll see firmware bundled in those games disc.
well, if you can show me some proof to refute my bolded point, i'll gladly admit that my info was wrong. but it is how it was done since psp, so i'd assume its the same on ps3.
(a) I don't think it is a huge problem.. but I do believe there is a liability and risk issue here. If I'm a 3rd party game software company, I won't want to want to mess with bundling Sony firmware on my disc (unless with explicit permission) and forcing its update to the user system. I would just state the min. requirement of this software and prompt the user to go to Sony and update their system first, and come back later to install this software.
(b) Ahem,.. no..my dear.. I think you're the one who needs to show me the
proof because I don't believe Sony REQUIRES them to ship the firmware with the disc.
You said,
show me a game prompting an error that the game disc
wouldnt run because of an outdated system, AND asks you to download it yourself from the internet. Wait a minute, so if the firmware is ON the disc, why does it need to prompt to you download from the Internet?
Ok.. I understand maybe some situation when there are min. requirement for a game to run is say.. firmware 1.5x or higher, a few revision higher than the factory default and some MAY have shipped with the disc provided they have the permission from Sony, but I never heard of them being
required (as in mandatory) as bundled on any game disc. Personally, I have never seen any of those games given me any prompt.. I guess my system is always up to date and I don't have any virgin system to try this anymore.
c) & d) As for PSP firmware, I don't have PSP, maybe that's how it is being done on PSP but I believe we can really generalised that' a universal practise by Sony for PS3 even they may have done so for PSP.
So, if the firmwares are region free, is it universally apply to all different models across the globe? I would rather err on the side of caution on this too because even Sony Tech Support themselves discourage its users from downloading its firmware if it is NOT from the correct region on its web site. I think it is just best practice, you never know what those crazy coders would sneak into their software.. bits and pieces there, it could be enough to brick one system.
See this link:
http://www.asia.playstation.com/sg/en/supp...pdateMethod_PS3This update is for customers who own PS3™ systems sold in SCE Asia area, including Hong Kong, Taiwan, Thai, Singapore, Malaysia. DO NOT update your PS3™ system through this Web site if you own a system purchased in a region other than SCE Asia area, including Hong Kong, Taiwan, Thai, Singapore, Malaysia. There is no guarantee of proper operation with other models of the PS3™ system.http://www.us.playstation.com/support/systemupdates/ps3This update is for customers who own PS3™ systems sold in North America. DO NOT update your PS3™ system through this website if you purchased your system outside North America. There is no guarantee of proper operation with other models sold outside North America.
Yeah.. do show me your PS3 game discs with BD rom drive listing that PS3update firmware.. I love to see it too.
That would be news to me.
This post has been edited by danmooncake: Jan 28 2009, 02:14 PM