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vorchiel
post Jan 26 2009, 05:03 PM

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i think that is caused by nat type 3
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post Jan 26 2009, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Jan 26 2009, 04:51 PM)
really? hmm thats good news then. someone told me before a pop up would tell him he cannot host using the type of connection or something. oh well. i DL MGO update now. so damn slow. haizzzz.
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NAT Type 3 as vorchiel says.

or

He didn't set the correct connection settings under the options in MGO.
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post Jan 26 2009, 05:50 PM

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1) What's the use of the PS3 storage? Shops are selling at PS3 20gb, 40gb, 80gb, 120gb. Why do we need storage? I thought we are playing using disc? and save with memory cards?

2) If I bought PS3 20gb, am I able to upgrade it to 80gb and so on? If yes, do I replaced my 20gb with 80gb, or are there 2 or more slots available?
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post Jan 26 2009, 05:59 PM

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1a) some games require installation and some dont. normally hundreds of mb to 1-2gb per game.

1b) game updates (bug fixes, extra content)

1c) downloadable games via ps network (includes games demo)

1d) game saves

1e) media storage (movies, music, photo)


2) can upgrade without voiding warranty. 1 ps3 can only have 1 hdd. so the old hdd must be replaced with new during the upgrading.
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post Jan 26 2009, 06:33 PM

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for excessive use, i do recommend the 40/80gb unit
but u can always upgrade it urself later
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post Jan 26 2009, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(nicholas88 @ Jan 26 2009, 05:50 PM)
1) What's the use of the PS3 storage? Shops are selling at PS3 20gb, 40gb, 80gb, 120gb. Why do we need storage? I thought we are playing using disc? and save with memory cards?

2) If I bought PS3 20gb, am I able to upgrade it to 80gb and so on? If yes, do I replaced my 20gb with 80gb, or are there 2 or more slots available?
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20gb is hard to find.

storage is to put whatever you want on the drive. some games install data onto the drive. such as MGS4 it installs around 4 gig or onto your drive. also its supposed to be a media center. so you put music. movies and all kinds of stuff. some people partition the drive and put linux onto their ps3s.
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post Jan 27 2009, 03:59 AM

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Oh thanks a lot folks =)

I've seen a package at the garage sales..

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PS3 80gb Singapore Package :
*ps3 80gb singapore system
*power cord
*composite cable
*usb cable
*dual shock 3 controller
*printed materials

all package r cost rm 1400.

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PS3 80gb Malaysia Package :
*ps3 80gb malaysia system
*power cord
*composite cable
*usb cable
*dual shock 3 controller
*printed materials

all package r cost rm 16XX.


They are all the same package, the difference just location why do the price differs a lot? Does that mean that Singapore PS3 got more/better quality than Malaysia one? or?

This post has been edited by nicholas88: Jan 27 2009, 04:00 AM
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post Jan 27 2009, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(nicholas88 @ Jan 27 2009, 03:59 AM)
Oh thanks a lot folks =)

I've seen a package at the garage sales..
They are all the same package, the difference just location why do the price differs a lot? Does that mean that Singapore PS3 got more/better quality than Malaysia one? or?
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warranty issue..
you pay extra RM200 for the warranty

SG warranty by SG...
MY warranty by MY...

anything wrong..u need to send back to their own country...
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post Jan 27 2009, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(nicholas88 @ Jan 27 2009, 03:59 AM)
Oh thanks a lot folks =)

I've seen a package at the garage sales..
They are all the same package, the difference just location why do the price differs a lot? Does that mean that Singapore PS3 got more/better quality than Malaysia one? or?
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MALAYSIA PS3 & SINGAPORE PS3 100% same , basically MY PS3 imported from Singapore and Sony Malaysia make it as official product..And Sony Malaysia only accept MY PS3 for warranty claim..

If you buy SG PS3 , incase anything u must claim warranty from Sony Singapore.."U have to send by your own"..both same , and from my opinion better MY PS3 because the service centre at Mid Valley City KL..

ur statement " Does that mean that Singapore PS3 got more/better quality than Malaysia "... where ever PS3 made from , the quality are from Sony ( JAPAN QUALITY ) , so there`s no differs for any PS3.
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post Jan 27 2009, 10:45 AM

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all of them are made in china laugh.gif


some 3rd party shops can send you the unit to sg for warranty. however you must pay for the shipping etc. i'd say just skip the hassle and get a malaysian unit.
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post Jan 28 2009, 01:44 AM

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i got 80GB.... now left only 37GB due to game patches, each game disc u bought stores data on HDD & game demos..... tat aone took half already.... BUT even tho u get the 20GB version, u can always swap it with a 500GB HDD... so no worries.
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Getting my PS3 tmr. 80GB MY set.

Sony having a deal for 1899 is the PS3 with 2 games. Thought about it but the games you can choose is damn limited so if plus one more controller is like more than 2k adi.

I'll probably settle for the RM1600 one, get another controller and then buy 1 game first.

What cable does the ps3 come with? Does it come with component cable like the 360? Or hdmi? or just the basic white/red/yellow?

Also if I can get the PS3 for 1600 but not from Sony, but it's a MY set, then it's the same thing right? I'll get a Malaysian warranty and all that so if my PS3 breaks down I can just send to a Sony Centre?

I'm thinking that for games shops I might get a slightly better deal with some free stuff thrown in maybe.
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post Jan 28 2009, 02:45 AM

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Hey guys.

My apologies if this has been discussed before. I read the first post, and it had a hint of an answer to my problem, but id rather get a current response to my predicament!

The other day, after keeping my PS3 in a box for one year (Unopened), i finally plugged it in, and it was working perfectly fine, up to the point that i wanted to play NFSU. But the game stated that i had to update my firmware to 2.7 i think, and the installer was on the disc itself.

So i started installing it, and halfway thru, the tv went blank for abit and nothing happened. I waited for abit, but nothing happened and decided to restart the machine, and to my horror, nothing came out after that.

The screen remained blank no matter how many times i restarted the console. sad.gif

Have any of you heard or experienced such a thing before? I sent it to a shop at Bangsar Shopping Complex, cant remember the name ... but its fairly popular. I told the dude abt the prob, and he sed if the screen cant come on at all, high chance that the console cant be salvaged.

Your thoughts ?
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post Jan 28 2009, 06:05 AM

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maybe ur ps3 really brick if u restart it while it was installing fw.normally while installing firmware halfway tv will go black.

how long did u wait b4 u restart ur ps3 after seeing black screen.
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post Jan 28 2009, 06:51 AM

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QUOTE(vorchiel @ Jan 26 2009, 05:59 PM)
1a) some games require installation and some dont. normally hundreds of mb to 1-2gb per game.

1b) game updates (bug fixes, extra content)

1c) downloadable games via ps network (includes games demo)

1d) game saves

1e) media storage (movies, music, photo)
2) can upgrade without voiding warranty. 1 ps3 can only have 1 hdd. so the old hdd must be replaced with new during the upgrading.
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Don't forget.. this:

1f) Tons of junk trailers that Sony love for its members to watch... hoping we buy or rent the real thing.

Alternatively.. we can always use an external HD via USB to store those junk if not interested to upgrade
the internal drive.


Added on January 28, 2009, 6:58 am
QUOTE(aboogee @ Jan 28 2009, 02:45 AM)
Hey guys.

My apologies if this has been discussed before. I read the first post, and it had a hint of an answer to my problem, but id rather get a current response to my predicament!

The other day, after keeping my PS3 in a box for one year (Unopened), i finally plugged it in, and it was working perfectly fine, up to the point that i wanted to play NFSU. But the game stated that i had to update my firmware to 2.7 i think, and the installer was on the disc itself.

So i started installing it, and halfway thru, the tv went blank for abit and nothing happened. I waited for abit, but nothing happened and decided to restart the machine, and to my horror, nothing came out after that.

The screen remained blank no matter how many times i restarted the console. sad.gif

Have any of you heard or experienced such a thing before? I sent it to a shop at Bangsar Shopping Complex, cant remember the name ... but its fairly popular. I told the dude abt the prob, and he sed if the screen cant come on at all, high chance that the console cant be salvaged.

Your thoughts ?
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It is not normal games software company to put PS3 firmware onto their disc and force user to upgrade.
The reason why is because of a liability issue, hence they don't do it. The game could display the requirement for you, in order to run this game, you are recommended to upgrade but the upgrade process is outside of the game installation.

Are you sure your PS3 wasn't connected to the net when you pop in your disc? Sometimes, auto update
via net (esp. wireless) and if you don't have a stable connection, any kind of disruption could mess up your firmware installation. Best way to upgrade is to download the latest firmware from your PC, use your thumb drive and upgrade from there.

Btw, as of Jan 28th, the latest official firmware is 2.6, not 2.7.
You didn't get any of those unofficial hacked firmware... did you? smile.gif

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jan 28 2009, 06:51 AM)

It is not normal games software company to put PS3 firmware onto their disc and force user to upgrade.
The reason why is because of a liability issue, hence they don't do it. The game could display the requirement for you, in order to run this game, you are recommended to upgrade but the upgrade process is outside of the game installation. 

Are you sure your PS3 wasn't connected to the net when you pop in your disc?  Sometimes, auto update
via net (esp. wireless) and if you don't have a stable connection, any kind of disruption could mess up your firmware installation. Best way to upgrade is to download the latest firmware from your PC, use your thumb drive and upgrade from there.

Btw, as of Jan 28th, the latest official firmware is 2.6, not 2.7
You didn't get any of those unofficial hacked firmware... did you?  smile.gif
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it is perfectly normal. many users wont be prompted to update via discs because they are up-to-date enough to update through the net 1-2 days after the latest update is on-line.
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QUOTE(vorchiel @ Jan 28 2009, 08:03 AM)
it is perfectly normal. many users wont be prompted to update via discs because they are up-to-date enough to update through the net 1-2 days after the latest update is on-line.
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I would certainly disagree with that because I know tons of PS3 owners out there who has never connected their PS3 to the Internet (yeah..no PSN, no BD live).

I think it is very unlikely games companies put PS3 firmware on their disc (other than their own software patches). If they did, this could be a problem for the owners because of the following reasons:

a) Firmware on bundled disc gets outdated by the time it reaches consumer.

b) Games companies most of time are clueless on the effect of the firmware on owners' hardware. Only Sony is fully aware of any side effect because that's their software.

c) Firmware could be different for different regions/languages - how does game co know which is which?

d) I doubt Sony would license their firmware to be distributed by 3rd party other than their own game company: SCE.

The firmware distribution is Sony responsibility, not the 3rd party game cos responsibility. However, they can certainly state the minimum firmware requirement needed for the game to run, ultimately, it needs be owners responsibility to click and download the latest firmware from the net.
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jan 28 2009, 09:40 AM)
I would certainly disagree with that because I know tons of PS3 owners out there who has never connected their PS3 to the Internet (yeah..no PSN, no BD live).

I think it is very unlikely games companies put PS3 firmware on their disc (other than their own software patches). If they did, this could be a problem for the owners because of the following reasons:

a) Firmware on bundled disc gets outdated by the time it reaches consumer.

b) Games companies most of time are clueless on the effect of the firmware on owners' hardware. Only Sony is fully aware of any side effect because that's their software.

c) Firmware could be different for different regions/languages - how does game co know which is which? 

d) I doubt Sony would license their firmware to be distributed by 3rd party other than their own game company: SCE.

The firmware distribution is Sony responsibility, not the 3rd party game cos responsibility. However, they can certainly state the minimum firmware requirement needed for the game to run, ultimately, it needs be owners responsibility to click and download the latest firmware from the net.
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a) Quite agree.
b) Quite agree. The games companies most likely taken the official firmware from Sony itself and get Sony permission before bundle it together with their games. So, they should not worry about the effect on user's PS3 since the firmware came from Sony itself and user should liaise with Sony when they having problem after updating the firmware.
c) PS3 is region free so does the firmware.
d) Agree, but for some reason, some of the users who do not have an internet connection sometimes depending on the shop where the bought the PS3 to help them to update the firmware. The shop normally download the latest official firmware from the net and help them to update the firmware.

I know some of PS3 games like Winning Eleven 2009 does include PS3 firmware in their BD.
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post Jan 28 2009, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jan 28 2009, 09:40 AM)
I would certainly disagree with that because I know tons of PS3 owners out there who has never connected their PS3 to the Internet (yeah..no PSN, no BD live).

I think it is very unlikely games companies put PS3 firmware on their disc (other than their own software patches). If they did, this could be a problem for the owners because of the following reasons:

a) Firmware on bundled disc gets outdated by the time it reaches consumer.

b) Games companies most of time are clueless on the effect of the firmware on owners' hardware. Only Sony is fully aware of any side effect because that's their software.

c) Firmware could be different for different regions/languages - how does game co know which is which? 

d) I doubt Sony would license their firmware to be distributed by 3rd party other than their own game company: SCE.

The firmware distribution is Sony responsibility, not the 3rd party game cos responsibility. However, they can certainly state the minimum firmware requirement needed for the game to run, ultimately, it needs be owners responsibility to click and download the latest firmware from the net.
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a) if it is outdated, what is the problem? they bundled the firmware in the disc according to the game's requirements (corresponding to the version of sdk/functionality used), not necessarily the latest. of course, some of the firmware check can be bypassed using rfom & f1:ce disc swap trick. but do it at your own risk/discretion.

b) how can a game company guarantees a game would run on any outdated system (or clueless consumer who dont have intertubes)? sony requires them to ship the firmware with the disc. show me a game prompting an error that the game disc wouldnt run because of an outdated system, AND asks you to download it yourself from the internet.

c) as a person who keeps track of sony firmware md5 hashes since the psp days, your point is moot. all firmware are region-free (psp & ps3).

http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?p=898479
http://www.eurasia.nu/modules.php?op=modlo...orum=87&start=0


d) did you ever have a psp? how many 3rd party publishers bundled a firmware required to run their umd games?
answer = ALL

check any ps3 game disc using any pc with bd drive (or ps3 in linux mode) and you'll see firmware bundled in those games disc.

well, if you can show me some proof to refute my bolded point, i'll gladly admit that my info was wrong. but it is how it was done since psp, so i'd assume its the same on ps3.
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