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post Apr 19 2021, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Apr 16 2021, 12:56 PM)
A question to sifus:

I'm in my 30s currently employed in a company that covers my medical, which I'm unlikely to leave until retirement and the company is powerful enough to be unlikely to disappear/go bankrupt.

Is it financially wise and feasible to apply for a medical card when? What are the risks of applying a card when I'm older (say, in my 40s)?
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That's great! It means your company takes care of its employees!

With that in mind, I would like to point out that despite having an excellent employee benefit program, we might want to check with HR if the employee health insurance benefit is transferable (which means should you leave the company, can the health coverage be transferred to be continued on an individual basis).
I think that's the first thing we want to clarify.

Secondly, I'd like to also point out that no matter what age you choose to start your individual medical insurance, we first have to make sure that our health qualifies to be insured, or in other words, are we insurable when we decide to pick up a health insurance?

It is only when our health qualifies, then we qualify to purchase a health insurance policy.
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:10 PM

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Hi everyone, I'm 24 and am looking to buy my very first Medical Card (Investment Linked). Never bought any kind of medical card before.

I am considering a plan that has the following -
Annual limit: 1 million
Lifetime limit: No limit
Life/TPD: 100k
CI: 100k
Assured until 70 y/o.

For that I have been quoted RM230 per month. However my agent is pushing for me to get assured until 90 y/o at RM300 per month.
Agent told me that it will be extended to 80 y/o, then 90 y/o if I did not make any claims during the coverage term.

So my questions are:
1. Is it worth spending the extra RM70 per month for a longer coverage term? It's my first time buying so I need some second opinions on this.
2. Agent also advised to "top-up" more cash value, let's say making it RM250 a month. How drastic will the difference affect the cash value in the future if I opt not to "top-up"?
3. Is the premium too expensive for my age? I asked around my older friends and their medical cards are all cheaper with similar coverage.


Thanks in advance and pardon my noob questions. smile.gif

This post has been edited by CrispK44: Apr 20 2021, 12:11 PM
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(CrispK44 @ Apr 20 2021, 12:10 PM)
Hi everyone, I'm 24 and am looking to buy my very first Medical Card (Investment Linked). Never bought any kind of medical card before.

I am considering a plan that has the following -
Annual limit: 1 million
Lifetime limit: No limit
Life/TPD: 100k
CI: 100k
Assured until 70 y/o.

For that I have been quoted RM230 per month. However my agent is pushing for me to get assured until 90 y/o at RM300 per month.
Agent told me that it will be extended to 80 y/o, then 90 y/o if I did not make any claims during the coverage term.

So my questions are:
1. Is it worth spending the extra RM70 per month for a longer coverage term? It's my first time buying so I need some second opinions on this.
2. Agent also advised to "top-up" more cash value, let's say making it RM250 a month. How drastic will the difference affect the cash value in the future if I opt not to "top-up"?
3. Is the premium too expensive for my age? I asked around my older friends and their medical cards are all cheaper with similar coverage.
Thanks in advance and pardon my noob questions. smile.gif
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no an expert of any kind,...
but for investment link products on medical coverage insurance.....from past experiences of postings by forummers,....the premium would be subjected to rises periodically to cover for the inflation cost of medical coverage...
the extra RM70 per month you paid now is just to enable longer delay of premium increase in future....

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post Apr 20 2021, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(CrispK44 @ Apr 20 2021, 12:10 PM)
Hi everyone, I'm 24 and am looking to buy my very first Medical Card (Investment Linked). Never bought any kind of medical card before.

I am considering a plan that has the following -
Annual limit: 1 million
Lifetime limit: No limit
Life/TPD: 100k
CI: 100k
Assured until 70 y/o.

For that I have been quoted RM230 per month. However my agent is pushing for me to get assured until 90 y/o at RM300 per month.
Agent told me that it will be extended to 80 y/o, then 90 y/o if I did not make any claims during the coverage term.

So my questions are:
1. Is it worth spending the extra RM70 per month for a longer coverage term? It's my first time buying so I need some second opinions on this.
2. Agent also advised to "top-up" more cash value, let's say making it RM250 a month. How drastic will the difference affect the cash value in the future if I opt not to "top-up"?
3. Is the premium too expensive for my age? I asked around my older friends and their medical cards are all cheaper with similar coverage.
Thanks in advance and pardon my noob questions. smile.gif
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1. Not necessary, you'll want to also make sure your money is utilized for other matters (self improvement, investment, purchase of assets, etc) as well.
2. Essentially starting a policy to cover up to age 70 is good enough. You may secure a longer term/top up as your career progresses.
3. The insurance policy should be customized based on what you need to cover at the moment from possible risk. It will differ from one person to another. From the look of the policy you mentioned, it seemed the agent just slap on a figure without really understanding you much. - Just ask yourself, why 100k for Life/TPD ? why 100k for CI? What's the purpose of this coverage for?

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Apr 20 2021, 12:23 PM
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:29 PM

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Hi want to ask, does medical insurance cover medical bills arising from accidents?

Say got into car accidents and need to be hospitalized...

Or need a personal accident insurance for it?

This post has been edited by Oklahoma: Apr 20 2021, 12:30 PM
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 20 2021, 12:19 PM)
no an expert of any kind,...
but for investment link products on medical coverage insurance.....from past experiences of postings by forummers,....the premium would be subjected to rises periodically to cover for the inflation cost of medical coverage...
the extra RM70 per month you paid now is just to enable longer delay of premium increase in future....
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Hi MUM, understood. Thanks for your input.


QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 20 2021, 12:19 PM)
1. Not necessary, you'll want to also make sure your money is utilized for other matters (self improvement, investment, purchase of assets, etc) as well.
2. Essentially starting a policy to cover up to age 70 is good enough. You may secure a longer term/top up as your career progresses.
3. The insurance policy should be customized based on what you need to cover at the moment from possible risk. It will differ from one person to another. From the look of the policy you mentioned, it seemed the agent just slap on a figure without really understanding you much. - Just ask yourself, why 100k for Life/TPD ? why 100k for CI? What's the purpose of this coverage for?
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Hi lifebalance, you're right. That's why I'm quite hesitant. I was thinking maybe like 10-15 years down the road I might want to upgrade my med card as my career progresses.

I actually asked if I can lower the Life/TPD and CI, but the agent said that 100k is standard because you never know when you will die (lol), and it will be more expensive to upgrade in the future if I choose for example 50k. Do you recommend lowering the annual limit as well?
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post Apr 20 2021, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(CrispK44 @ Apr 20 2021, 12:35 PM)
Hi MUM, understood. Thanks for your input.
Hi lifebalance, you're right. That's why I'm quite hesitant. I was thinking maybe like 10-15 years down the road I might want to upgrade my med card as my career progresses.

I actually asked if I can lower the Life/TPD and CI, but the agent said that 100k is standard because you never know when you will die (lol), and it will be more expensive to upgrade in the future if I choose for example 50k. Do you recommend lowering the annual limit as well?
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CrispK44 It is advisable to put 100k , why ?
try to get the agent to quote you 50k, 80k and 100k , the price should be not much difference, due to 100k coverage got discount.
This is for prudential , im not sure about AIA / GE / Alianz thou....

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Apr 20 2021, 12:29 PM)
Hi want to ask, does medical insurance cover medical bills arising from accidents?

Say got into car accidents and need to be hospitalized...

Or need a personal accident insurance for it?
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Medical Benefit covers Inpatient & Outpatient treatment so it will cover Accidents.

Personal Accident provides reimbursement for accidental treatments.

QUOTE(CrispK44 @ Apr 20 2021, 12:35 PM)
Hi MUM, understood. Thanks for your input.
Hi lifebalance, you're right. That's why I'm quite hesitant. I was thinking maybe like 10-15 years down the road I might want to upgrade my med card as my career progresses.

I actually asked if I can lower the Life/TPD and CI, but the agent said that 100k is standard because you never know when you will die (lol), and it will be more expensive to upgrade in the future if I choose for example 50k. Do you recommend lowering the annual limit as well?
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When you're engaging to get your first policy, it's similar to you choosing your first visit to your dentist/doctor/barber/accountant etc.

Are you comfortable enough with the person based on what they've just advise you or does it not bring any chemistry with you?

Because once you've started to engage them, you'll be sticking with this person for a long term as they'll be your "Advisor".

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I actually asked if I can lower the Life/TPD and CI, but the agent said that 100k is standard because you never know when you will die (lol), and it will be more expensive to upgrade in the future if I choose for example 50k. Do you recommend lowering the annual limit as well?

You should be debating this with your agent and seek what he/she say and if you accept their explanation. After all, he/she is is making the money from you by giving advise and to propose the right plan, correct?

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Apr 20 2021, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(CrispK44 @ Apr 20 2021, 12:10 PM)
Hi everyone, I'm 24 and am looking to buy my very first Medical Card (Investment Linked). Never bought any kind of medical card before.

I am considering a plan that has the following -
Annual limit: 1 million
Lifetime limit: No limit
Life/TPD: 100k
CI: 100k
Assured until 70 y/o.

For that I have been quoted RM230 per month. However my agent is pushing for me to get assured until 90 y/o at RM300 per month.
Agent told me that it will be extended to 80 y/o, then 90 y/o if I did not make any claims during the coverage term.

So my questions are:
1. Is it worth spending the extra RM70 per month for a longer coverage term? It's my first time buying so I need some second opinions on this.
2. Agent also advised to "top-up" more cash value, let's say making it RM250 a month. How drastic will the difference affect the cash value in the future if I opt not to "top-up"?
3. Is the premium too expensive for my age? I asked around my older friends and their medical cards are all cheaper with similar coverage.
Thanks in advance and pardon my noob questions. smile.gif
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For GE ILP Medical . all renewable till age99/100

PLEASE take note on this
if is 70yo plan, waiver cover till age 70.
if is 80yo plan, waiver cover till age 80.
if is 90yo plan, waiver cover till age 90.

You don't compare only the premium figure.
Chosen fund, illustration sustainable table, occupation class, female usually cheaper than male, type of CI accelerate (share or none share).
And entry timing.

Another example of same coverage but different premium as below
If your plan design estimated cash value by age70 is RM1000 . Repricing will affect you earlier and higher top up.
If your plan design estimated cash value by age70 is RM30000. Repricing may not affect your premium so soon.
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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...surance-company

came across this news just now. The lady didnt delcare she has depression when she apply for insurance and few years later, the lady got cancer and insurance company reject her claim because she didnt declare her depression.

If i visit clinic because i sakit perut/sakit kepala but i didnt declare when apply insurance, will insurance company reject my claim if i am hospitalized in the future?
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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Apr 20 2021, 09:03 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...surance-company

came across this news just now. The lady didnt delcare she has depression when she apply for insurance and few years later, the lady got cancer and insurance company reject her claim because she didnt declare her depression.

If i visit clinic because i sakit perut/sakit kepala but i didnt declare when apply insurance, will insurance company reject my claim if i am hospitalized in the future?
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for this topic,....if you are interested can post/read/ask at recently existed thread

Great Eastern rejected critical illness in news, What do you think?
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5125587
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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Apr 20 2021, 09:03 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...surance-company

came across this news just now. The lady didnt delcare she has depression when she apply for insurance and few years later, the lady got cancer and insurance company reject her claim because she didnt declare her depression.

If i visit clinic because i sakit perut/sakit kepala but i didnt declare when apply insurance, will insurance company reject my claim if i am hospitalized in the future?
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The issue is not about the cancer critical illness payout but rather; the issue of non-disclosure.

Insurance Contract runs on Principle of Utmost Good Faith.

What is the principle of utmost good faith?
1. The principle of utmost good faith, uberrimae fidei, states that the insurer and the insured must disclose all material facts before the policy inception.

2. Facts which may enhance the level of risk are called material facts.

3. The insurer or insurance company needs to declare all public disclosures and investment strategies while the insured needs to declare health condition, family medical history, lifestyle, food habits, smoking and alcohol history etc.

4. In case of non-disclosure or misrepresentation of material facts, the policy can be considered null and void.

5. This principle applies to both life insurance and general insurance policies.

The insurance company could have choose to NOT accept the applicant's application back then if she had declared all her health status for the insurance company to consider her application whether to accept her risk or not.

below is an expanded explanation by Limster88 on the Principle above.
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And yes, insurers adopt the utmost good faith concept in approving policies. This is also in line with PDPA regulations. After all, if you are honest upfront, there's nothing to worry about right? An insurance policy is just a contract, so the insurer is bound by it if the premise of the contract is valid.

The government also do not want the insurers to willy nilly obtain and keep people's personal health information, so this is the current practice. Not all policies will turn into claims, so there is no need for insurers to be so intrusive and check everyone's health background. You think that the insurers don't want to get everyone's information? Given the chance they definitely want to. More information means more accurate actuarial projection, means better pricing and competitiveness.

Long ago, before PDPA laws came into force, we used to have this LIAM system, where insurers will share with each other on the health conditions of their clients. There is no escape. If you are rejected by company A, then you try to apply with company B, you will also be rejected coz they also know about the health conditions too.

Then came PDPA enforcement and all these ended. Now the industry had to operate on a more limited information and therefore had to start trusting their customers based on utmost good faith.

The only time the insurer has expressed approval to check everything regarding to your medical background is during claims, because this is the only time that PDPA rules allow them to fully access your medical records. So you can be sure that if you do not disclose information to your insurer and they find out about it, it will then go to post claims underwriting, where we will re-underwrite the application again, assuming that if we know about the condition in the first place, what will the underwriting decision be.
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With that being said, as long as you can answer the questions below truthfully, there should be no problem

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If i visit clinic because i sakit perut/sakit kepala but i didnt declare when apply insurance, will insurance company reject my claim if i am hospitalized in the future?


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QUOTE(jhodyj @ Apr 20 2021, 09:03 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...surance-company

came across this news just now. The lady didnt delcare she has depression when she apply for insurance and few years later, the lady got cancer and insurance company reject her claim because she didnt declare her depression.

If i visit clinic because i sakit perut/sakit kepala but i didnt declare when apply insurance, will insurance company reject my claim if i am hospitalized in the future?
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is this being "a material fact"?....is this "sakit perut/sakit kepala" being asked during the coverage proposal?
is the material facts a material facts when NOT asked in the application for coverage form?

QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 20 2021, 10:57 PM)
The issue is not about the cancer critical illness payout but rather; the issue of non-disclosure.

Insurance Contract runs on Principle of Utmost Good Faith.

What is the principle of utmost good faith?
1. The principle of utmost good faith, uberrimae fidei, states that the insurer and the insured must disclose all material facts before the policy inception.

2. Facts which may enhance the level of risk are called material facts.

3. The insurer or insurance company needs to declare all public disclosures and investment strategies while the insured needs to declare health condition, family medical history, lifestyle, food habits, smoking and alcohol history etc.

4. In case of non-disclosure or misrepresentation of material facts, the policy can be considered null and void.

5. This principle applies to both life insurance and general insurance policies.

The insurance company could have choose to NOT accept the applicant's application back then if she had declared all her health status for the insurance company to consider her application whether to accept her risk or not.

below is an expanded explanation by Limster88 on the Principle above.
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With that being said, as long as you can answer the questions below truthfully, there should be no problem
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 20 2021, 11:44 PM)
is this being "a material fact"?....is this "sakit perut/sakit kepala" being asked during the coverage proposal?
is the material facts a material facts when NOT asked in the application for coverage form?
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If you wish to answer extra than what is asked by the insurance company, you're free to do so. smile.gif
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Apr 20 2021, 11:58 PM)
If you wish to answer extra than what is asked by the insurance company, you're free to do so.  smile.gif
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so those things NOT asked...will not be a material fact....
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QUOTE(CrispK44 @ Apr 20 2021, 12:10 PM)
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hi Crisp, hope the above answer your doubts.

QUOTE(Oklahoma @ Apr 20 2021, 12:29 PM)
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hi Oklahoma, yes covered under personal medical insurance too.

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to be frank, likely there's possibility that medical card coverage will improve in another 4 years or so. you can lower Life/TPD/CI. so long you know the amount of coverage you need, then just ask agent to quote. for example if you are sure that 50k can cover you a 3 years recuperation period living expenses, then yes can just tell agent the figure. instead of saying 100k is standard (by the agent), i think it will be better to explain why the 100k or you yourself are clear why the 100k figure.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 21 2021, 12:02 AM)
so those things NOT asked...will not be a material fact....
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maybe this is more directly relevant....

Financial Services Act (FSA) & Islamic Financial Services Act (IFSA)
The FSA and IFSA 2013 came into effect on 30th June 2013 have significantly impacted the Malaysian financial sector.
The new laws, states that insurer must obtain all relevant pre-contractual disclosures before acceptance of the risk and cannot use the incontestability clause to denied any claims.

http://www.olis.or.jp/e/pdf/20150521_malaysia.pdf

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Any medical protection plan for a family of 4 (2 adults + 2 kids)?

Prefer long coverage age for the policyholder (CI coverage and Medical card) and spouse

Cover kids med expenses up to at least 21 years old

Currently looking at AIA, A-Plus Total Health, Coverage Period= UP TO 80 YEARS OLD. Don't mind nominal amount of deductibles / policy excess

Which products are recommendable for exploring ?

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QUOTE(outpace @ Apr 22 2021, 12:06 AM)
Any medical protection plan for a family of 4 (2 adults + 2 kids)?

Prefer long coverage age for the policyholder (CI coverage and Medical card) and spouse

Cover kids med expenses up to at least 21 years old

Currently looking at AIA, A-Plus Total Health, Coverage Period= UP TO 80 YEARS OLD. Don't mind nominal amount of deductibles / policy excess

Which products are recommendable for exploring ?
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Depends on your current budget and the risk that you'd need to prioritize to cover upon assessment.

Deductible would be a good option to reduce the premium payable in the long term.
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would like to know 1 agent can become agent for 2 different companies?

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