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babylon52281
post Aug 8 2025, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 8 2025, 01:35 AM)
Orico seems have their own nvme ssd line up. Probably get crucial x10 for peace of mind. Orico high speed also not cheap lol.
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Orico does sell their branded SSD but Im doubtful their the OEM maker of it.
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post Aug 19 2025, 07:15 PM

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kc3000 got issue ?

https://cybersecuritynews.com/windows-11-24...ecurity-update/
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post Aug 20 2025, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(sleyer @ Aug 19 2025, 07:15 PM)
This is also why I stay away from Phison controller SSD.

EDIT: https://www.techpowerup.com/340076/phison-r...e-crashing-ssds

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https://www.techpowerup.com/340170/silicon-...-windows-11-bug

Their SM2508 controller based SSDs have proven to be popular for Gen5 buyers and with this bug not hitting them, all versions of SSDs with SM brain will fly off the shelves.

Habislah Phison near monopoly!

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Hi guys, wanna some advise on getting a 2TB or 4TB NVME SSD, what is the current value buy? Still the KC3000?
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QUOTE(zzzz52 @ Sep 9 2025, 07:22 AM)
Hi guys, wanna some advise on getting a 2TB or 4TB NVME SSD, what is the current value buy? Still the KC3000?
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Anything with SM controller. Phison based like KC3000 is prone to getting bricked even by windows updates. Stay away for now.

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post Sep 9 2025, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 9 2025, 08:16 AM)
Anything with SM controller. Phison based like KC3000 is prone to getting bricked even by windows updates. Stay away for now.

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yesterday news said some people manage to find the issue root cause not windows update but beta firmware not sure what mean..

need to check lowyat news

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QUOTE(sleyer @ Sep 9 2025, 09:54 AM)
yesterday news said  some people manage to find the issue  root cause not windows update but beta firmware not sure what mean..

need to check lowyat news
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Reviewers like Jayz usually get their stuff near retail ready so doubtful his problem is due to preproduction firmware as he also mentioned he updates his stuff. There are prolly more issues than just one.
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 9 2025, 08:16 AM)
Anything with SM controller. Phison based like KC3000 is prone to getting bricked even by windows updates. Stay away for now.
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Can suggest alternative for KC3000? Thanks
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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 9 2025, 01:04 PM)
Can suggest alternative for KC3000? Thanks
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For Gen4 not many as Phison nearly monopoly all high end SSD. Only ones I know are Adata S70, Legend 960 max, Crucial P5 Plus, Samsungs, WD/Sandisk, Hynix / Solidigm.
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Welp seems to be issue with firmware

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments...ering_firmware/
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/...omments-3885882

Fingers crossed
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Jayz came out to call BS on the 'solution' of the SSD dying and again he stressed that he will only use retail (or near retail ready) stuff for review so that excuse of pre release firmware wouldnt have hit him but he still had SSD failures.

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post Sep 14 2025, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Sep 11 2025, 11:22 PM)
Jayz came out to call BS on the 'solution' of the SSD dying and again he stressed that he will only use retail (or near retail ready) stuff for review so that excuse of pre release firmware wouldnt have hit him but he still had SSD failures.

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basically phison claimed that the issue was for their ssds that were using NON retail firmware. So their solution was, update the firmware. For people who had bought retail ssd, then there shouldn't be an issue for this? or if people had diligently checked for firmware updates (which not everyone does for ssds unfortunately).


that jay is click bait. He made such a big deal about his issue, but in the end the reason why his particular case had crash was due to a motherboard bios firmware issue. So for him, he downgraded to an older bios and that fixed his issue. So it wasn't even related to the ssd phison issue to begin with.

My point is, someone like jay just hypes the situation just to click bait and profiteer from. So should we be paying too much attention to someone like that? credits at least for figuring it out, but he was quick to jump on the blame windows ssd wagon for clicks. this serves non of our interests by fear mongering without proof rolleyes.gif just look at the title "worse than we thought" doh.gif


anyway for the latest news, windows says it's not their fault, and phison says for them, just update the firmware.


if it really was sample ssds, then only a small number of people affected most likely reviewers (particularly those who never updated the ssd firmware) hmm.gif





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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 14 2025, 09:45 AM)
basically phison claimed that the issue was for their ssds that were using NON retail firmware. So their solution was, update the firmware. For people who had bought retail ssd, then there shouldn't be an issue for this? or if people had diligently checked for firmware updates (which not everyone does for ssds unfortunately).
that jay is click bait. He made such a big deal about his issue, but in the end the reason why his particular case had crash was due to a motherboard bios firmware issue. So for him, he downgraded to an older bios and that fixed his issue. So it wasn't even related to the ssd phison issue to begin with.

My point is, someone like jay just hypes the situation just to click bait and profiteer from. So should we be paying too much attention to someone like that? credits at least for figuring it out, but he was quick to jump on the blame windows ssd wagon for clicks. this serves non of our interests by fear mongering without proof  rolleyes.gif  just look at the title "worse than we thought"  doh.gif
anyway for the latest news, windows says it's not their fault, and phison says for them, just update the firmware.
if it really was sample ssds, then only a small number of people affected most likely reviewers (particularly those who never updated the ssd firmware)  hmm.gif
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there's a reason why I don't watch jay's video anymore
he's just riding whatever negative bandwagon the ledditors and tech grifters are leading (so much so he's becoming a tech grifter as well)
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post Sep 15 2025, 03:59 AM

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QUOTE(lolzcalvin @ Sep 14 2025, 01:30 PM)
there's a reason why I don't watch jay's video anymore
he's just riding whatever negative bandwagon the ledditors and tech grifters are leading (so much so he's becoming a tech grifter as well)
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same. i rarely watch him at all these days.

but it does seem like he has some sort of IT technical background as some sort of programmer for debugging issues (it was mentioned in one of the recent window ssd videos he did). so he isn't totally clueless.

however when he makes fear mongering videos for click bait, just cant trust this guy. it does more harm than good rolleyes.gif

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How decent is the MP44L for a cheap SSD for storage/games?
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QUOTE(imbibug @ Sep 16 2025, 11:02 PM)
How decent is the MP44L for a cheap SSD for storage/games?
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Can't really go wrong with any gen3/gen4 drive these days if you're avoiding the sketchy brands, most testing show gen4 drive being only marginally better in load times.
My MP33 died after a year and they sent back new drive after a month, the brand is fine.
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QUOTE(Floria Scarlet @ Sep 16 2025, 11:16 PM)
Can't really go wrong with any gen3/gen4 drive these days if you're avoiding the sketchy brands, most testing show gen4 drive being only marginally better in load times.
My MP33 died after a year and they sent back new drive after a month, the brand is fine.
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Specs not too bad but pricing will have to cross shop with NV2/NV3 or those cheap PNY SSDs.
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Is removing heatsink on the ssd gona void warranty? Coz the the boards with m2 heatsink can't fit with the ssd's heatsink?
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QUOTE(jwgs0010 @ Sep 17 2025, 08:17 PM)
Is removing heatsink on the ssd gona void warranty? Coz the the boards with m2 heatsink can't fit with the ssd's heatsink?
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Yes and no, it depends if they come preinstalled and have warranty void sticker on the heatsink cover joint, or specifically mention on the info sticker. I wouldnt open these as it could ruin the thermal pad.

And then there are those that come separate for buyers choice to self install like Adata

These are the best as i can use the mobo heatshield and keep the included heatsink for another drive next time.

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