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post Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM, updated 6y ago

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Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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post Jan 1 2020, 09:59 PM

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Lisa apa khabar? Jiran dia still masak kari ?
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post Jan 1 2020, 10:00 PM

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Naturally we know that once SJK is abolished, private schools will flourish, and we know who will again be left behind and it won't be long before they start raging again.

Fix symptoms don't fix root cause, that's the MO of your leaders.

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You sound just like everyone else actually. If you want this, you have to give up that.. yadda yadda... Same different.
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QUOTE(Justin Jack$on @ Jan 1 2020, 09:59 PM)
Lisa apa khabar? Jiran dia still masak kari ?
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yg masak kari tu jiran susan la
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post Jan 1 2020, 10:06 PM

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U better stick on ur light novel writing.
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QUOTE(Lyu @ Jan 1 2020, 10:03 PM)
yg masak kari tu jiran susan la
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Hahahahaha really? Too many kool story i pun x ingat
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post Jan 1 2020, 10:07 PM

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A minority can never get sama rata in a democratic country.
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Well said but many of these in denial, brainwashed and paid troopers will continue to be troublemakers.

Even if everyone converted to muslim in this country, still these jokers will have a fault to find.
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everyday also got Race and Religion topics. Bosan lah, just work together for the betterment of Malaysia please
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give them an inch, and they will demand a foot.
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QUOTE(B1az3 @ Jan 1 2020, 10:08 PM)
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What is Lisa views on this?
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1) make public school as shit as possible
2) abolish srjk
3) private school stricter licensing (only certain ppl can have permit)
4) profit
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QUOTE(MyJimmy @ Jan 1 2020, 10:07 PM)
A minority can never get sama rata in a democratic country.
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That's true, in democratic country, minorities get more help and benefits.

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post Jan 1 2020, 10:31 PM

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Don't waste energy talk to them. They are powerless people and can't do anything to abolish SRJK.
Just don't give them respond.
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wow. this TS must be a dong zong terrorist. hardcore anti-government terrorist body who always care about communism, culture shit and old man thinking.

I hope the government start putting down hard on the dung zong. this ideology is just as bad as the curry buns.

u look at the dung zong people, i even saw a smoker. this kind of people are the kind who will bomb and do terrorism one day just because we dont folow their demands. be very careful man

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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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what u talking about

bumi ini milik China liou
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 1 2020, 10:08 PM)
Well said but many of these in denial, brainwashed and paid troopers will continue to be troublemakers.

Even if everyone converted to muslim in this country, still these jokers will have a fault to find.
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Even in an all-muslim country, they will still be comparing. By that time, they will be comparing, who more holy, who more follow prophets teaching, whos lifestyle more closely like prophet. There will be a race, everyone will try to be more holier than thou.

Evidence are aplenty in those muslim countries.
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their standard policy: unable to compete, demand them to close down
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In my year of service sjk product still shit. Not really superior at all. Some more they don't mingle.

I like people ooen minded such chinese banana. They open and not so kecinaan.
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Pity DAP voters kena kencing
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post Jan 1 2020, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 1 2020, 10:39 PM)
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lol, there are 13 types of school in US, what excuse you want to make now?
https://www.rasmussen.edu/degrees/education...pes-of-schools/
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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Jan 1 2020, 10:43 PM)
lol, there are 13 types of school in US, what excuse you want to make now?
https://www.rasmussen.edu/degrees/education...pes-of-schools/
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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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the idea is to form bangsa malaysia
witht the formation of bangsa malaysia, racial all unite
having different language prominent just made distinction of tribe more obvious rather than everyone speak of one language
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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 1 2020, 10:44 PM)
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lol, stop saying vernacular school is breaking the unity
it is your race and religion that is breaking everything

now what you aiming to do is to take away others' right

typical malicious people
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Jan 1 2020, 10:37 PM)
Even in an all-muslim country, they will still be comparing. By that time, they will be comparing, who more holy, who more follow prophets teaching, whos lifestyle more closely like prophet. There will be a race, everyone will try to be more holier than thou.

Evidence are aplenty in those muslim countries.
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Exactly. I always remind myself about Indonesia 1998 massacre.
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QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Jan 1 2020, 10:45 PM)
lol, stop saying vernacular school is breaking the unity
it is your race and religion that is breaking everything

now what you aiming to do is to take away others' right

typical malicious people
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Yes all salah my race and religion
I've heard it many times
I don't wanna care anymore lel
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they cannot compete so want you to be as stupid like them.
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Bahalol punya public figure. Stick to your own job payah sangat ke? Jadi spokesman PAS pula. Gi tanding PRU la kalau nak kacau sgt politik.

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QUOTE(ZerOne01 @ Jan 1 2020, 10:39 PM)
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Most developed country:

Minority - special privileges. Majority - suck it up for sake of minority.

Oh wait.... China is not most developed country yet.....

Malaysia:

Majority - special privileges. Minority - suck it up for sake of majority.

Oh wait.... China > Malaysia.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 1 2020, 10:51 PM)
Most developed country:

Minority - special privileges. Majority - suck it up for sake of minority.

Oh wait.... China is not most developed country yet.....

Malaysia:

Majority - special privileges. Minority - suck it up for sake of majority.

Oh wait.... China > Malaysia.... biggrin.gif
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China > Malaysia indeed
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QUOTE(ahter @ Jan 1 2020, 10:47 PM)
they cannot compete so want you to be as stupid like them.
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I always find this kind of syok sendiri statement amusing. laugh.gif

But yeah i came from elite public school, so of course i find that such statement amusing laugh.gif

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QUOTE(ahter @ Jan 1 2020, 10:47 PM)
they cannot compete so want you to be as stupid like them.
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The problem is their kind is very good in spreading false news to pave way for their agenda.

SJKC is all about better quality education, where even Malays & Indians themselves flock to study there especially in cities. But these jokers excel in twisting and turning it into racial, religious and unity issue.

They had done it before in 513, dumping the whole issue to DAP & LKS; whereby the actual winner of the whole 513 fiasco is Razak getting the PM post.

These people have no dignity and honour, basically will do anything to reach their agenda at the expense of the whole country. May the almighty god punish these people to the deepest of hell.
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My friend told me the fees is much more cheaper than government school... Where government school ask more $$ for kecantikan kelas, jamuan, etc..
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diam la TS.. lisa mane
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QUOTE(ahter @ Jan 1 2020, 10:47 PM)
they cannot compete so want you to be as stupid like them.
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Well done. Butthurt incoming.

QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 1 2020, 10:53 PM)
I always find this kind of syok sendiri statement amusing. laugh.gif

But yeah i came from elite public school, so of course i find that such statement amusing laugh.gif
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Jan 1 2020, 10:45 PM)
the idea is to form bangsa malaysia
witht the formation of bangsa malaysia, racial all unite
having different language prominent just made distinction of tribe more obvious rather than everyone speak of one language
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DAP want to form bangsa MALAYSIA.MALAYSIA for MALAYSIAN but who come out to protek?
you go indonesian everyone say they are INDONESIAN...you go thailand everyone say they are THAIs.....you go AMERICA they say they are AMERICAN....you go japan everyone say they are JAPANESE....meanwhile malaysia.....i am XX first, XX second, XX 3rd..... biggrin.gif
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It is what it is in Malaysia. For the successful, there will always be haters and people who want to throw up obstacles against you. Take it as part of the road to success.

What vernacular schools need to do right now is to continue to produce top caliber graduates, and more importantly, graduates who are fluent, both oral and written, in 3 languages. Cannot emphasize this enough... THREE languages.

Vernacular school graduates should be able to compete against their Kebangsaan brethren when it comes to fluency of Malay. Vernacular school graduates should not lose face or maruah when it comes to ability to bersembang dalam Bahasa.

If the general / regular Kebangsaan school wants to embarrass themselves with the standard of their education, let them. Vernacular schools should not; they should be able to hold their heads up high and flip a middle finger to the haters who claim that vernacular school graduates cannot speak Malay.

Also, vernacular schools need to update their teaching and curriculum methods to the 21st century. The standards are there, the knowledge is abundant, but there should be more to the education and teaching methods than rote memorization.

Vernacular schools need to constantly update themselves and eventually reach a level of competition equal to the best Indian, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and China schools. That is the best thing they can do for their students, their supporters and their believers.

Regardless of what the haters or the Malay supremacists think.
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 1 2020, 10:57 PM)
Well done. Butthurt incoming.
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It’s okay. No harm for you to syok sendiri. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kitzai @ Jan 1 2020, 10:26 PM)
1) make public school as shit as possible
2) abolish srjk
3) private school stricter licensing (only certain ppl can have permit)
4) profit
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LeL cronysm
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QUOTE(lolbuddy @ Jan 1 2020, 10:58 PM)
DAP want to form bangsa MALAYSIA.MALAYSIA for MALAYSIAN but who come out to protek?
you go indonesian everyone say they are INDONESIAN...you go thailand everyone say they are THAIs.....you go AMERICA they say they are AMERICAN....you go japan everyone say they are JAPANESE....meanwhile malaysia.....i am XX first, XX second, XX 3rd..... biggrin.gif
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because we had conflict definition of bangsa malaysia

if u ask malay, malay will say since sultan is the past of malay goverment, so bangsa malaysia is continueation of malay islamic civilirization

but if u ask nonmalay,
they will say, malaysia is a free country like canada us
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 1 2020, 10:08 PM)
everyday also got Race and Religion topics. Bosan lah, just work together for the betterment of Malaysia please
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Make Singapore Maressia Singapore again console.gif
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I wouldnt mind, but a lot of Malays will be left to do labour jobs because Malays generally dont adapt well, they are to clingy to tradition. This can lead to another "incident"

Dont know how to solve this, luckily it is not my job. But I really wish that there are less racial sentiments coming from botht he politicians and people. Politicians need power so they rile you up, people vote for these politicians on both sides so they are not exactly innocent either

oh look at that here I am talking about R&R laugh.gif sometimes I really hate what has become of this country. We could have done so much
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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Jan 1 2020, 11:10 PM)
because we had conflict definition of bangsa malaysia

if u ask malay, malay will say since sultan is the past of malay goverment, so bangsa malaysia is continueation of malay islamic civilirization

but if u ask nonmalay,
they will say, malaysia is a free country like canada us
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if you wanna sell Maressia as multiracial country to the rest of the world, then Maressia should continue to be the melting pot experiment like USA.
If you wanna sell Maressia as Islamic Malay civilisation, then sell Maressia like Arab states. Muslim majority, Muslim law, with non-Muslim minority.

So, Bani Seijimura.....which one are you?
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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Jan 1 2020, 11:18 PM)
if you wanna sell Maressia as multiracial country to the rest of the world, then Maressia should continue to be the melting pot experiment like USA.
If you wanna sell Maressia as Islamic Malay civilisation, then sell Maressia like Arab states. Muslim majority, Muslim law, with non-Muslim minority.

So, Bani Seijimura.....which one are you?
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i will stick to the second, as long the sultan is presence, it is mean that the malay islaimic civilirization still exist for now. the sultan is evidence
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I wouldnt mind, but a lot of Malays will be left to do labour jobs because Malays generally dont adapt well, they are to clingy to tradition. This can lead to another "incident"

Dont know how to solve this, luckily it is not my job. But I really wish that there are less racial sentiments coming from botht he politicians and people. Politicians need power so they rile you up, people vote for these politicians on both sides so they are not exactly innocent either

oh look at that here I am talking about R&R laugh.gif sometimes I really hate what has become of this country. We could have done so much
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Same here.....
I'm wishing for more Malays to be rich enough to see that the whole jewish cainis scheme that the politicians are selling is a joke.
Too bad the moderate middle class Malays are either not growing fast enough or vocal enough to outweigh the extremist.

Personally, the solution IMO, is to replace the current political hierarchy with what is essentially a /k Parlianment, since /k is surprisingly tame considering it's wild wild west standards.

I honestly am considering whether I want to care still for the Malaysian experiment....
heck, I dont know whether I wanna stay for the next election....
I don't have kids yet, so if and when I do give up, I dont have much bags to pack...
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i will stick to the second, as long the sultan is presence, it is mean that the malay islaimic civilirization still exist for now. the sultan is evidence
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Indon republik kennot ka?
Melei, but republic.

inb4 kucheng
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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Jan 1 2020, 11:25 PM)
Indon republik kennot ka?
Melei, but republic.

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if u want republic, than u have to remove the monarchy first
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Rather than bickering. Why not put all that energy into uplifting the standard of our education in general?

Rather than saying, SJK is better, SMK is better. Why not both be equally good?

More often than not... It's the student themselves that set themselves apart. There are good and bad students equally in SJK and SMK la..

Edit: Problem is we are so fixed on saying this is better than the other. It's like children arguing my dad is better than your dad.

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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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I wonder whether there any stats on primary schools with race and location.

SRK - ???
SRJKC - Believe Kelantan, Terengganu have 100% C. Not sure on other states.
SRJKT - Believe more than 90% is I in every states.
Agama - Believe 100% M in every states
Private Schools - ???

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If the SRJK abolish, there will be a lot more of chinese private school around.

So what is the point then. Sama je.
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As usual, Malaysians really don't understand what it is to become Malaysians.

Our national language is Bahasa Melayu. Language is not a barrier in studying because regardless what language you're using, penis=lanjiao=zakar wont change. Vagina=chibai=faraj also wont change.

Language can be picked up anytime once you master one language because you change the writing/characters/pronunciation but not the meaning.

I dont know why we are still arguing about language, UEC and so on. It's even more funny when you guys starts to compare with Singapore and how they overtook Malaysia while still retaining this mentality.
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I wouldnt mind, but a lot of Malays will be left to do labour jobs because Malays generally dont adapt well, they are to clingy to tradition. This can lead to another "incident"

Dont know how to solve this, luckily it is not my job. But I really wish that there are less racial sentiments coming from botht he politicians and people. Politicians need power so they rile you up, people vote for these politicians on both sides so they are not exactly innocent either

oh look at that here I am talking about R&R laugh.gif sometimes I really hate what has become of this country. We could have done so much
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Well. It takes two to tango. Bertepuk sebelah tangan tak akan berbunyi.

Racism is played by both side. Even here in lowyat. Whoever harping on racial issue regardless of which race are actually racist. People aggravating small issue and fear mongering about may 13 incident, even here you can see they are all the usual suspect.

Everyone have their own ego and not willing to compromise. All people want is for you to follow what i want. Both sides are the same. Afterall we are all asian, we have big ego.

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 1 2020, 11:40 PM)
Well. It takes two to tango. Bertepuk sebelah tangan tak akan berbunyi.

Racism is played by both side. Even here in lowyat. Whoever harping on racial issue regardless of which race are actually racist. People aggravating small issue and fear mongering about may 13 incident, even here you can see they are all the usual suspect.

Everyone have their own ego and not willing to compromise. All people want is for you to follow what i want. Both sides are the same. Afterall we are all asian, we have big ego.
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Guilty as charged.

But please la guys, fewer R&R threads please
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keep the identity in china and india lah
we are bangsa malaysia


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keep the identity in china and india lah
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You also say bangsa MALAYSIA, not bangsa Melayu...

Not everything must be done to Malay sense then only can be Malaysian.

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You also say bangsa MALAYSIA, not bangsa Malayu...
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chinese india malay
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the idea is to form bangsa malaysia
witht the formation of bangsa malaysia, racial all unite
having different language prominent just made distinction of tribe more obvious rather than everyone speak of one language
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Stop dreaming la.

Even indon with their pancasila, its, muslim vs nonmuslim now, even when everybody speaks same language.
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Guilty as charged.

But please la guys, fewer R&R threads please
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You’re just expressing your concern without being hostile to others. Nothing is wrong about that.

I am saying the hardcore racist in this thread is the usual suspects. If you linger long enough in /k, you can actually spot the usual suspects laugh.gif Their MO is always the same, harping on may 13 incident.
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I don rly care bout sekolah jenis.
The only thing i hate bout race segregation is the unwillingness of some individuals in each race to mix n mingle.
Must dai2 stick with own race only, speak own race language n hab as minimal as possible contact with other race.

Y is dis shit happening?
Parents or school or edu system is at fault?

Rly hate dis when in high edu.
Fukin race-clique/groups. Even want to do minor thing such as group assignment edi difficult like fuk.
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You also say bangsa MALAYSIA, not bangsa Melayu...

Not everything must be done to Malay sense then only can be Malaysian.
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just read what u edit though

u got see anywhere in developed country who accept chinese and indian as citizen have those kind of SJKC SJKT ?
why the chinese and indian there wasnt afraid to assimilate?
US?UK?

this is just pure EGO my fren...
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QUOTE(grixis @ Jan 1 2020, 11:49 PM)
just read what u edit though

u got see anywhere in developed country who accept chinese and indian as citizen have those kind of SJKC SJKT ?
why the chinese and indian there wasnt afraid to assimilate?
US?UK?

this is just pure EGO my fren...
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Enough of these accept XYZ as citizen lah...

We formed this country together, everyone came to an mutual agreement, and hence Malaysia Malaya is born. Nobody accepted who and nobody didn’t accepted who.

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Stop dreaming la.

Even indon with their pancasila, its, muslim vs nonmuslim now, even when everybody speaks same language.
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and...now the indonesian chinese are wealthier than before, i call it a very successful assimilation
they even change their name, and speak good bahasa indonesia..while here???cant even speak bahasa malaysia doh.gif
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Enough of these accept XYZ as citizen lah...

We formed this country together, everyone came to an mutual agreement, and hence Malaysia Malaya is born. Nobody accepted who and nobody didn’t accepted who.
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i see...now i know where the ego came from...wrong facts ...
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i see...now i know where the ego came from...wrong facts ...
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I got my facts from SMK Sejarah, you got different version?
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yes, bangsa malaysia
chinese india malay Bangla
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I got my facts from SMK Sejarah, you got different version?
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go read Articles 14-18,

do u learn in SMK Sejarah about the King of Selangor favour to your peoples?
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yes..like it or not..bangla will become part of malaysian sooner or later
malays accepted indian , indon and chinese, they will accept bangla too

history gonna repeat itself, bangla minister in 10 years time thumbsup.gif
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go read Articles 14-18,

do u learn in SMK Sejarah about the King of Selangor favour to your peoples?
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Got spoonfed TL;DR version?
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SJKC no problem. Keyboard warrior unwillingness to listen is the problem...

PAS (GE14) says Vernacular is okay
UMNO (GE14) also say Vernacular is okay

So what's the issue?
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Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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Srjk has its own value whereby its mostly funded independently....like i said....we dun kacao ppl...they kacao us

For us nth more sensitive than education....if u read bak china history...even a kingdom will fall if they touch edu/health...
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QUOTE(grixis @ Jan 1 2020, 11:52 PM)
and...now the indonesian chinese are wealthier than before, i call it a very successful assimilation
they even change their name, and speak good bahasa indonesia..while here???cant even speak bahasa malaysia  doh.gif
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2020 already, can you stop this kebodohan and fake news spreading? Since when nons cannot speak bahasa other than your racist perception?

Successful assimilation in Indo? 1998 massacre and more recently Jakarta governor Ah Hok case.

Cukup la all these accusations for years.
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Cukurrrr...the only ASEAN country has SRJK school
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yes..like it or not..bangla will become part of malaysian sooner or later
malays accepted indian , indon and chinese, they will accept bangla too

history gonna repeat itself, bangla minister in 10 years time  thumbsup.gif
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After Zakir Naik becomes President of PAS after Hadi passes away,
Rural meleis will have renaissance of learning. All learn engrand and Hindi to understand their indian mustard.....

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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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I agree take away bumi quota, SRJK need to go bro.

I want our kids to play together in a school, absorb whatever curriculum activities in SRJK that are of better quality into all public schools.

as long as our kids can be friend each other.
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I agree take away bumi quota, SRJK need to go bro.

I want our kids to play together in a school, absorb whatever curriculum activities in SRJK that are of better quality into all public schools.


as long as our kids can be friend each other.
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I think many on the opposing end of the Vernacular schools seem to forget and not understand is that SRJK is public school.

UEC is private and whether recognised is up to the whim of the gov, but SRJK, SMJK is public school and the syllabus are all the same. Only the medium of teaching is different.
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I think many on the opposing end of the Vernacular schools seem to forget and not understand is that SRJK is public school.

UEC is private and whether recognised is up to the whim of the gov, but SRJK, SMJK is public school and the syllabus are all the same. Only the medium of teaching is different.
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If the same why need to use cina and india abbreviation?

why need to have different medium of teaching?

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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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pala hangguk identity. dayak kadazan all other race no need identity ok je. not about bumi milik siapa. but we have to change follow our neighbor as best example indonesia all united, all can speak indo, all goto same school and closer to each other. here, we have dongkey zong likes who cannot even speak NATIONAL LANGUAGE. lancau!
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pala hangguk identity. dayak kadazan all other race no need identity ok je. not about bumi milik siapa. but we have to change follow our neighbor as best example indonesia all united, all can speak indo, all goto same school and closer to each other. here, we have dongkey zong likes who cannot even speak NATIONAL LANGUAGE. lancau!
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You really should quit it with the Indon example.

First of all, Indonesia has no affirmative action policies. At least not on paper anyway. Basically, every Indonesian is an equal. Every religion in Indonesia is accorded equal status. There are no differences in rights and privileges (again, at least on paper anyway).

Secondly, even with all that assimilation, it did not stop the Indonesian Chinese from getting killed and raped en-mass in 1998. And you know what.... if another major riot broke out in the next 5 to 10 years, the same shit gonna happen all over again to the Indonesian Chinese still left in Indonesia.

Thirdly, the condition of Indonesia is equal to kandang kerbau penuh tahi punya tahap. It is a fvcking shithole of a country. Indonesia exports cheap foreign labour and maids. All that unity and assimilation and they still can't even pull their bloody country up and beyond. Malaysia, for all its "lack of unity" and "divisiveness", is still hanging on to second best in Asean, for now.

Honestly, quit it with the Indonesian comparisons. Even the regular Malaysian Malay does not want to become an Indonesian if offered a choice.
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Most of DAP MB and MCA MB are product of sek kebangsaan

SJK cant produce any high quality student at all


Upgrade SEK KEB education
and then abolish SJK

problem solve
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If the same why need to use cina and india abbreviation?

why need to have different medium of teaching?
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long long ago, manyak ceenaa and yindia tarak paham melayu.....melayu pun tarak pandai melayu....
jadi ada la SK Engrand, SK Ceenna, SK Melayu, SK Tamil....no Hindi bekuz British mostly import from the Suth, hence Mahathir.

then, when Bapak najib wanted to streamline things, he cancelled SK Engrand bekuz he tot tarak orang paham engrand......but ceena yindia banyak tarak pandai lagi, so maintain SKC and SKT along with SKM bekum SK.

Now, you can argue they tarak paham still bekuz kampung pipu memang kurang sikit.

but city pipu, got impression that it's better lo....mainly bekuz SJKC memang got more drilling.
Also, the mysterious Bahasa Ceena...which you can arguably take in SK, but not many people know or think is best option.

Personally, I just think Kebangsaan school too much of a wild wild west to instill proper discipline.
I come from SRJKC, then to SMK. but that's my opinion la.
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QUOTE(Gyazo @ Jan 2 2020, 02:39 AM)
Most of DAP MB and MCA MB are product of sek kebangsaan

SJK cant produce any high quality student at all
Upgrade SEK KEB education
and then abolish SJK

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yes this is the way to go.
absorb those srjk teacher into sk smk.

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You really should quit it with the Indon example.

First of all, Indonesia has no affirmative action policies. At least not on paper anyway. Basically, every Indonesian is an equal. Every religion in Indonesia is accorded equal status. There are no differences in rights and privileges (again, at least on paper anyway).

Secondly, even with all that assimilation, it did not stop the Indonesian Chinese from getting killed and raped en-mass in 1998. And you know what.... if another major riot broke out in the next 5 to 10 years, the same shit gonna happen all over again to the Indonesian Chinese still left in Indonesia.

Thirdly, the condition of Indonesia is equal to kandang kerbau penuh tahi punya tahap. It is a fvcking shithole of a country. Indonesia exports cheap foreign labour and maids. All that unity and assimilation and they still can't even pull their bloody country up and beyond. Malaysia, for all its "lack of unity" and "divisiveness", is still hanging on to second best in Asean, for now.

Honestly, quit it with the Indonesian comparisons. Even the regular Malaysian Malay does not want to become an Indonesian if offered a choice.
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I am citing indo for the unity of races. Of course pipu like PAS and ultra racist malays exist. But also ultra racist cainis and indians exist! But u forgot one thing. Indo is republic. But malaysia is protected by our Royalties. U think royalties are racist like those extremists? Royalties will command the army very fast once there is any sign of racist riot going to happen. So u cainis and indians will be safer, a lot lot lot safer here compared to indo. If u think otherwise then u are insulting our Rulers. An idea to unite, ofc will have obstacles. Good thing to do where got no obstacles one?

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The whole BS fiasco and hatred towards vernacular schools stem from the fact that local Meleis can’t get a job in the employment market because don know how to speak mandarin lol... and now they want to abolish any advantage that the nons have

Twist and turn Whichever way they want,on the pretext of assimilation ke, unity ke... that doesn’t change the fact that these vernacular complaining biatches are losers in real life.

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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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SJKC is not a prob at all but it could be better with just a single stream of education that focus on eng and bahasa as national language, while chinese and tamil as elective.

I am a chinese and i am proud to be able to talk, write and read our national language, cause I am a malaysian. My knowledge with mandarin is limited, but do i feel a shame or bad? No cause i am a malaysian chinese.

Nowadays, even 60 years old uncle auttie can speak better bahasa than the pure chinese school youngster. How are they going to create harmony with tue malay or other races if they cant converse in Bahasa properly, not to mention to mix around with the malay?

I do not agree hapuskan srjk, but up the kebangsaan school standard is the solution.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 2 2020, 08:42 AM)
SJKC is not a prob at all but it could be better with just a single stream of education that focus on eng and bahasa as national language, while chinese and tamil as elective.

I am a chinese and i am proud to be able to talk, write and read our national language, cause I am a malaysian. My knowledge with mandarin is limited, but do i feel a shame or bad? No cause i am a malaysian chinese.

Nowadays, even 60 years old uncle auttie can speak better bahasa than the pure chinese school youngster. How are they going to create harmony with tue malay or other races if they cant converse in Bahasa properly, not to mention to mix around with the malay?

I do not agree hapuskan srjk, but up the kebangsaan school standard is the solution.
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QUOTE(grixis @ Jan 1 2020, 11:52 PM)
and...now the indonesian chinese are wealthier than before, i call it a very successful assimilation
they even change their name, and speak good bahasa indonesia..while here???cant even speak bahasa malaysia  doh.gif
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What's worst our own Attorney General pon tak pandai BM. Mcm mana rakyat taktau BM boleh diangkat jadi AG. I duno.
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If the same why need to use cina and india abbreviation?

why need to have different medium of teaching?
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To some, probably because SK barely have any material in chinese for them have sufficient mastery in chinese? to others, SK not up to standard...

bump up that level, put in more non bumi participation in education policy making, then perhaps we can change that mindset.

as of now, my opinion is that SK is getting worse with time (and I was from SK)
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So u cainis and indians will be safer, a lot lot lot safer here compared to indo. If u think otherwise then u are insulting our Rulers. An idea to unite, ofc will have obstacles. Good thing to do where got no obstacles one?
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A lot safer compared to a republic? Why do you say so?
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Have u seen the shit they churned out at sekolah kebangsaan nowadays? Exam
Questions about zakar naik? Those sohai grammatically wrong questions in UPSR?

The standard of our sekolah kebangsaan nowadays is pure dogshite it has deteriorated decades after decades and I myself come from sekolah kebangsaan...

Last time I used to have these death metal lead guitarist as my kemahiran hidup subject teacher. Shows you how much importance they place on picking the teachers...
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To some, probably because SK barely have any material in chinese for them have sufficient mastery in chinese? to others, SK not up to standard...

bump up that level, put in more non bumi participation in education policy making, then perhaps we can change that mindset.

as of now, my opinion is that SK is getting worse with time (and I was from SK)
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A lot safer compared to a republic? Why do you say so?
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A lot safer compared to a republic? Why do you say so?
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 2 2020, 08:42 AM)
SJKC is not a prob at all but it could be better with just a single stream of education that focus on eng and bahasa as national language, while chinese and tamil as elective.

I am a chinese and i am proud to be able to talk, write and read our national language, cause I am a malaysian. My knowledge with mandarin is limited, but do i feel a shame or bad? No cause i am a malaysian chinese.

Nowadays, even 60 years old uncle auttie can speak better bahasa than the pure chinese school youngster. How are they going to create harmony with tue malay or other races if they cant converse in Bahasa properly, not to mention to mix around with the malay?

I do not agree hapuskan srjk, but up the kebangsaan school standard is the solution.
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There was a time where all public schools used English for maths and science. And briefly we had experience a single stream system. But guess who ended up falling behind and reset everything. laugh.gif
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tengok many dap MP dalam parlimen how they speak bahasa? Boleh muntah la.
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It is what it is in Malaysia. For the successful, there will always be haters and people who want to throw up obstacles against you. Take it as part of the road to success.

What vernacular schools need to do right now is to continue to produce top caliber graduates, and more importantly, graduates who are fluent, both oral and written, in 3 languages. Cannot emphasize this enough... THREE languages.

Vernacular school graduates should be able to compete against their Kebangsaan brethren when it comes to fluency of Malay. Vernacular school graduates should not lose face or maruah when it comes to ability to bersembang dalam Bahasa.

If the general / regular Kebangsaan school wants to embarrass themselves with the standard of their education, let them. Vernacular schools should not; they should be able to hold their heads up high and flip a middle finger to the haters who claim that vernacular school graduates cannot speak Malay.

Also, vernacular schools need to update their teaching and curriculum methods to the 21st century. The standards are there, the knowledge is abundant, but there should be more to the education and teaching methods than rote memorization.

Vernacular schools need to constantly update themselves and eventually reach a level of competition equal to the best Indian, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and China schools. That is the best thing they can do for their students, their supporters and their believers.

Regardless of what the haters or the Malay supremacists think.
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From the beginning every kind of schools SRK & SRJK contributed much to the development of this country and there was harmony among all races.

Then some prick decided to reinvent the wheel, that was already working well, for reasons only known to these pricks. Maybe these pricks are only interested in seeing the complete destruction of this beloved country of ours come what may.

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It is what it is in Malaysia. For the successful, there will always be haters and people who want to throw up obstacles against you. Take it as part of the road to success.

What vernacular schools need to do right now is to continue to produce top caliber graduates, and more importantly, graduates who are fluent, both oral and written, in 3 languages. Cannot emphasize this enough... THREE languages.

Vernacular school graduates should be able to compete against their Kebangsaan brethren when it comes to fluency of Malay. Vernacular school graduates should not lose face or maruah when it comes to ability to bersembang dalam Bahasa.

If the general / regular Kebangsaan school wants to embarrass themselves with the standard of their education, let them. Vernacular schools should not; they should be able to hold their heads up high and flip a middle finger to the haters who claim that vernacular school graduates cannot speak Malay.

Also, vernacular schools need to update their teaching and curriculum methods to the 21st century. The standards are there, the knowledge is abundant, but there should be more to the education and teaching methods than rote memorization.

Vernacular schools need to constantly update themselves and eventually reach a level of competition equal to the best Indian, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and China schools. That is the best thing they can do for their students, their supporters and their believers.

Regardless of what the haters or the Malay supremacists think.
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Or this way also good.
Instead abolish vernacular. upgrade it to teach BM and compulsory BM to all vernacular schools so that all grad from vern school speak better BM than those in SK. this way, we abolish SK and SMK instead. and chg SRJK name to SRK. either way, the main purpose is for unity, and for kids of multi races be friends with each other from small.
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Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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Same here. I am product of SK. Totally support SJK. Funny thing is, most of my SK friends send all their kids to SJKC. Ho hum.

Happy New Year.

And please no more Lisa cold stories ok.
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There was a time where all public schools used English for maths and science. And briefly we had experience a single stream system. But guess who ended up falling behind and reset everything. laugh.gif
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Like i said, prob with the standard of sk.
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+1

From the beginning every kind of schools SRK & SRJK contributed much to the development of this country and there was harmony among all races.

Then some prick decided to reinvent the wheel, that was already working well, for reasons only known to these pricks. Maybe these pricks are only interested in seeing the complete destruction of this beloved country of ours come what may.
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Or this way also good.
Instead abolish vernacular. upgrade it to teach BM and compulsory BM to all vernacular schools so that all grad from vern school speak better BM than those in SK. this way, we abolish SK and SMK instead. and chg SRJK name to SRK. either way, the main purpose is for unity, and for kids of multi races be friends with each other from small.
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90s kids will know... we had this with English instead but was taken down because certain group not catching up laugh.gif
https://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Stor...709-153653.html

We progressed... but ended up taking a huge step backwards.. and now blaming the system that was re-introduced.

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90s kids will know... we had this with English instead but was taken down because certain group not catching up laugh.gif
https://www.asiaone.com/News/Education/Stor...709-153653.html
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I am the 90s kid and i am sad how it turn up.
Now my kids who hardly know bm in srjk is just sad.
I have to give personal extra class for them in bm to make them malaysian.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 2 2020, 08:42 AM)
SJKC is not a prob at all but it could be better with just a single stream of education that focus on eng and bahasa as national language, while chinese and tamil as elective.

I am a chinese and i am proud to be able to talk, write and read our national language, cause I am a malaysian. My knowledge with mandarin is limited, but do i feel a shame or bad? No cause i am a malaysian chinese.

Nowadays, even 60 years old uncle auttie can speak better bahasa than the pure chinese school youngster. How are they going to create harmony with tue malay or other races if they cant converse in Bahasa properly, not to mention to mix around with the malay?

I do not agree hapuskan srjk, but up the kebangsaan school standard is the solution.
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bahasa no good blame the entire SRJKC but not the teacher , who teach Bahasa at SRJKC ?
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QUOTE(bereev @ Jan 2 2020, 09:15 AM)
bahasa no good blame the entire SRJKC but not the teacher , who teach Bahasa at SRJKC ?
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Not blaming anyone or any school, just the standard of teaching. Have you look at the standard of bahasa in srjk which is lower?
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 2 2020, 09:11 AM)
I am the 90s kid and i am sad how it turn up.
Now my kids who hardly know bm in srjk is just sad.
I have to give personal extra class for them in bm to make them malaysian.
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Actually thanks to that of teaching Science and Maths in English, the fluency of both English and BM is pretty high among the 90s kids. Especially those from SRJK. Welp the gov back then intended to ruin this advantage by reverting a decade long system and i guess they are pretty successful at creating this chaos we have today.

So.... i am pretty sure that changing all Science and Maths to BM would create a similar outcome as before and would once again ironically reduce that so called advantage (For IPTA). That's why with such an obvious solution, yet they only thought of abolishing SJK.... clearly unifying and creating an equal playing field was never their main goal.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 2 2020, 09:20 AM)
Not blaming anyone or any school, just the standard of teaching. Have you look at the standard of bahasa in srjk which is lower?
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that is the same question why same teacher the standrad can be lower ? they should send more better Bahasa teacher to SRJKC instead of cincai send one teacher since it is SRJKC, change a bit the teaching method if really care to improve the SRJKC bahasa standrad, instead of use them as laughing stock and use to attack the entire SRJKC system, aren't this is the teacher job ?

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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 2 2020, 09:11 AM)
I am the 90s kid and i am sad how it turn up.
Now my kids who hardly know bm in srjk is just sad.
I have to give personal extra class for them in bm to make them malaysian.
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bm is just a language? u don even need to know bm to be malaysian. as long as u can converse in bm i don see any problem to survive in malaysia? most of the company is using english anyway.

but back to ur kids, all the other kids in that srjk also having problem in BM? not sure is that school prob (the teacher of BM should be malay right) or ur kids prob...

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 09:21 AM)
Actually thanks to that of teaching Science and Maths in English, the fluency of both English and BM is pretty high among the 90s kids. Especially those from SRJK. Welp the gov back then intended to ruin this advantage by reverting a decade long system and i guess they are pretty successful at creating this chaos we have today.

So.... i am pretty sure that changing all Science and Maths to BM would create a similar outcome as before and would once again ironically reduce that so called advantage (For IPTA). That's why with such an obvious solution, yet they only thought of abolishing SJK.... clearly unifying and creating an equal playing field was never their main goal.
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Exactly, dont you feel weird learning science in chinese, pr learning computer in chinese or srjk student? In malaysia?

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 1 2020, 10:00 PM)
Naturally we know that once SJK is abolished, private schools will flourish, and we know who will again be left behind and it won't be long before they start raging again.

Fix symptoms don't fix root cause, that's the MO of your leaders.
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Dang pls don’t abolish
Private school expensive lah wei
Nobody wanna send their kids to mazly school

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why international school kids can learn English and others langgauge very well since they come from many country origin back ground , but we cannot do it for Bahasa
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You sound just like everyone else actually. If you want this, you have to give up that.. yadda yadda... Same different.
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THIS.

TS wanted to say that his bontot is putih, but actually is just hitam like everyone else.
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can abolish bumi rights also? its now 2020. wawasan my ass
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Diversity is a strength not a weakness

If one cannot brain a simple concept like this, better go back to school la(remember go srjk not sk lol)

Idiots!!!!!
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QUOTE(Lescotesco @ Jan 2 2020, 09:23 AM)
bm is just a language? u don even need to know bm to be malaysian. as long as u can converse in bm i don see any problem to survive in malaysia? most of the company is using english anyway.

but back to ur kids, all the other kids in that srjk also having problem in BM? not sure is that school prob (the teacher of BM should be malay right) or ur kids prob...
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Language create togetherness in a country, create unity, is not how utilise the language is in your working field, is the. national language after all.

I am not saying my kid got prob with the bahasa language in the school, merely the standard of it, and i am teaching them to learn sk bahasa standard.
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Exactly, dont you feel weird learning science in chinese, pr learning computer in chinese or srjk student? In malaysia?
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SRJKC was kinda happy to oblige the teaching of Science and Maths in English actually. You dont hear much complains back then because no doubt it is beneficial for the kids and they took the ministry's decision well.

And then after a decade the ministry made them switch their syllabus back to their respective language. It was dictated by the ministry and not the SRJK.

However you'd be surprised that those higher performing SRJKC schools would do afterschool classes and have a special subject for English in Science and Maths or even using Singapork's English syllabus to teach..... to 90s kids, raise your hand if you remember these colourful striped text books rclxms.gif (I guess it's mainly to aid their top classes's students to nail the ASEAN scholarship programme offered by singkie)
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Jan 2 2020, 09:28 AM)
Diversity is a strength not a weakness

If one cannot brain a simple concept like this, better go back to school la(remember go srjk not sk lol)

Idiots!!!!!
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on the other hand, commonality bring people together... so that they can identify with each other and work towards a common goal. if people cannot speak with each other, we will all be all be working towards own goal only...

so, we have to accept sjk blindspot at the moment, is poor at teaching bm to a sufficient level at the moment.

a balanced approach is need, not just swinging one extreme to another
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everyday also got Race and Religion topics. Bosan lah, just work together for the betterment of Malaysia please
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btw bro kenapa sudah kurus?
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DAP want to form bangsa MALAYSIA.MALAYSIA for MALAYSIAN but who come out to protek?
you go indonesian everyone say they are INDONESIAN...you go thailand everyone say they are THAIs.....you go AMERICA they say they are AMERICAN....you go japan everyone say they are JAPANESE....meanwhile malaysia.....i am XX first, XX second, XX 3rd..... biggrin.gif
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look at how indo discriminate their chinese and forcefully claim themselves as indo?
majority of the chinese married with thai become mix of course they will claim themselves as thai, those they are still pure chinese will claim as chinese.
american is not a race so of course they call american...
but malay and malaysia are both race and nationality, foreigner not from SEA countries generally will mix both as the same...
so is it wrong to tell people i am chinese and i am malaysian????
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QUOTE(reed90 @ Jan 2 2020, 09:40 AM)
this
btw bro kenapa sudah kurus?
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Not blaming anyone or any school, just the standard of teaching. Have you look at the standard of bahasa in srjk which is lower?
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I really dunno what you people blabber about. The BM in SJKC is not lower at any means. At least based on what i saw in my son's old primary school.

I remember my BM in Standard 4 in SK my time also not as hard as this shit.

Maybe different school different standard? I dunno, i thought they all follow same syllabus.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 2 2020, 09:31 AM)
Language create togetherness in a country, create unity, is not how utilise the language is in your working field, is the. national language after all.

I am not saying my kid got prob with the bahasa language in the school, merely the standard of it, and i am teaching them to learn sk bahasa standard.
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i get ur point, and i agree with you. but does that mean one who speak perfect malay is creating more unity than those who cant
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u say until like, ur kids cant even converse in basic bm to mingle around with malay/indian kids and u cant call urself a malaysian just because u only know the basic part of BM? no right? why do u wan to label them as non malaysian as of now?




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malay pipu many uneducated...

racism happens when both parties are immature and keeps on poking each other's weaknesses instead of improving themselves.

would be nice for Malaysia to have more educated malays and less egoistic/prideful chinese.

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QUOTE(Archemedia @ Jan 2 2020, 10:00 AM)
chinese pipu a lot of pride and ego...
malay pipu many uneducated...

racism happens when both parties are immature and keeps on poking each other's weaknesses instead of improving themselves.

would be nice for Malaysia to have more educated malays and less egoistic/prideful chinese.
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Even if vernacular is closed down, those affordable will still send their kids to private school or international school. The problem is with horrifying education standard and discipline in SK.
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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?
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Exactly.

This all started because people keep questioning about quota, bumi right, etc. Saying unfair la apa la. But when asked the same from their people, then bising pula

If everyone just senyap2 coexist, this all wouldnt happen.
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QUOTE(Archemedia @ Jan 2 2020, 10:00 AM)
chinese pipu a lot of pride and ego...
malay pipu many uneducated...

racism happens when both parties are immature and keeps on poking each other's weaknesses instead of improving themselves.

would be nice for Malaysia to have more educated malays and less egoistic/prideful chinese.
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why international school kids can learn English and others langgauge  very well since they come from many country origin back ground , but we cannot do it for Bahasa
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SJK is just the scapegoat for the failure of the administration in fulfilling unrealistic promises made to certain group of community.

The ministry doesn't really care about integration nor education. They just want to make sure the younger generation soak up govt propaganda whilst placating the angry mob.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 2 2020, 10:13 AM)
SJK is just the scapegoat for the failure of the administration in fulfilling unrealistic promises made to certain group of community.

The ministry doesn't really care about integration nor education. They just want to make sure the younger generation soak up govt propaganda whilst placating the angry mob.
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then keep it going and increase the numbers even more. and mind own business doing so. we dont need people bickering at each other all the time
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if remove vernacular school, pls remove sekolah agama + uni kuota.
since the reason is want all study together for national unity
then somehow hope the Education Ministry can elevate the education level instead of using schs as propaganda camps
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Jan 2 2020, 10:20 AM)
if remove vernacular school, pls remove sekolah agama + uni kuota.
since the reason is want all study together for national unity
then somehow hope the Education Ministry can elevate the education level instead of using schs as propaganda camps
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remove all school

remove methodist convent schools also

remove tarc mca breeding ground

remove all

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Now what I regularly see are able-bodied who has the potential to contribute to society positively does nothing, but standing at doorways for alms. Dare not even imagine multiplying the figures throughout the country.

There's a saying, never raise a devil you can't handle. Maybe money does grow on trees, just that I haven't found that bloody tree yet !

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lol, there are 13 types of school in US, what excuse you want to make now?
https://www.rasmussen.edu/degrees/education...pes-of-schools/
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Justify all u want I don't care kek
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i also support single stream.

abolish rempit factory school lah. these school are poison. main reason why their kind keep falling behind.
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QUOTE(8bitguy @ Jan 2 2020, 09:46 AM)
I really dunno what you people blabber about. The BM in SJKC is not lower at any means. At least based on what i saw in my son's old primary school.

I remember my BM in Standard 4 in SK my time also not as hard as this shit.

Maybe different school different standard? I dunno, i thought they all follow same syllabus.
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Have you check the SRJK Bahasa text book with the SRK Bahasa text book?

QUOTE(Lescotesco @ Jan 2 2020, 09:53 AM)
i get ur point, and i agree with you. but does that mean one who speak perfect malay is creating more unity than those who cant
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u say until like, ur kids cant even converse in basic bm to mingle around with malay/indian kids and u cant call urself a malaysian just because u only know the basic part of BM? no right? why do u wan to label them as non malaysian as of now?
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Hmm... when did i label the non malaysian? I am just merely saying if you can converse well in bahasa, you get to mingle better with them, or any other races cause everyone speak the same national language. Chinese school are mostly chinese, is automatic mandarin they speak with their peers, or english for some of them who are english bought up. Extremely limited chance to speak bahasa with their peers.

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should have been day one PH but madey seem wanna keep their support even tho he actually no need em anyway. he would gain even more actually laugh.gif

now too late

actually too late for decades or so. all on madey+anwar and some others
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Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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me think the issues here is

by definition a nation is a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory

so going to SJKC just mean you end up being Chinese, and this is not China, this is malaysia. if don't want to be Malaysian but want to be tongsan or yindia why bother staying in Malaysia?

there's would not be a Malaysian national identity, because some pipu are busy pretending they are other countries nationalist instead.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jan 2 2020, 10:53 AM)
me think the issues here is

by definition a nation is a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory

so going to SJKC just mean you end up being Chinese, and this is not China, this is malaysia. if don't want to be Malaysian but want to be tongsan or yindia why bother staying in Malaysia?

there's would not be a Malaysian national identity, because some pipu are busy pretending they are other countries nationalist instead.
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Was there ever a Malay going through SJK and end up Chinese? They end up able to read and write Chinese, and maybe get employed because of exactly that...
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One nation. One system.

- make bahasa, mandarin, english compulsory (lets be honest, Bahasa is our national language. Mandarin and English has practical uses, so macha dun marah ya. y'all still get 2 public holidays, unlike our Sikh brethren)

- revamp agama islam and abolish pendidikan moral (fight me if you want, but agama islam classes has NOT proven to make muslims better and tolerant people. improve that shit. pendidikan moral otoh is an insult to nons. how to make the schedule you ask? i don't know.. like maybe add an EXTRA FUCKING HOUR for agama islam every few school days?)

- dont hire cikgu bodo & emo. just because u graduated from some uni or maktab perguruan, doesn't mean jackshit if you can't teach. and at least have a decent command of english. dont make the saying "those who can't do, teach" a reality.

- PJK is not a real slot, and PJK teacher is not a real job. well, not unless you actually teach real health and fitness. if not, just focus on after school co-curriculum sports instead. could actually worth something for people who can actually excel of have interest in certain sports

- Ali has 5 guli, Ah Chong has 10, and Ravi has 1. that's a problem. get that shit fixed.
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I am a Malaysian Chinese. I think Chinese and Indians have been conned by their politicians for decades. Are there any advantages to SJK other than syok sendiri? Preferential entry to universities, extra scholarships, higher allocations from the government? What are the tangible benefits that we get by staying as SJK?

What is the difference if you rename SJK (C/T) <Contoh> into SK <Contoh> ? The teachers and the students are still the same.

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Have you check the SRJK Bahasa text book with the SRK Bahasa text book?
Hmm... when did i label the non malaysian? I am just merely saying if you can converse well in bahasa, you get to mingle better with them, or any other races cause everyone speak the same national language. Chinese school are mostly chinese, is automatic mandarin they speak with their peers, or english for some of them who are english bought up. Extremely limited chance to speak bahasa with their peers.
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Nope.

The point is. I am from SK. My BM is just fine. Why are they destroying the syllabus that just works fine (if based on the assumption that the BM level is harder)? SJKC BM is already harder than my SK standard back then. Why?

Nowadays BM is full of grammar wannabe shit and English words. It didn't exist back then.

Why make it so shitty and difficult for everyone? I am pretty sure the English today is still the same as it was back then when i studied it.

And lots of Melei say SJK doesn't promotes unity blah. I have said many time, this was never the core reason. It has nothing to do with schools.

You don't expect people to be loyal when you got treated like 2nd class citizens and kencing everyday, regardless what language they are good at.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jan 2 2020, 10:30 AM)
Have you check the SRJK Bahasa text book with the SRK Bahasa text book?
Hmm... when did i label the non malaysian? I am just merely saying if you can converse well in bahasa, you get to mingle better with them, or any other races cause everyone speak the same national language. Chinese school are mostly chinese, is automatic mandarin they speak with their peers, or english for some of them who are english bought up. Extremely limited chance to speak bahasa with their peers.
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Nope.

The point is. I am from SK. My BM is just fine. Why are they destroying the syllabus that just works fine (if based on the assumption that the BM level is harder)? SJKC BM is already harder than my SK standard back then. Why?

Nowadays BM is full of grammar wannabe shit and English words. It didn't exist back then.

Why make it so shitty and difficult for everyone? I am pretty sure the English today is still the same as it was back then when i studied it.

And lots of Melei say SJK doesn't promotes unity blah. I have said many time, this was never the core reason. It has nothing to do with schools.

You don't expect people to be loyal when you got treated like 2nd class citizens and kencing everyday, regardless what language they are good at.
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jan 2 2020, 11:08 AM)
I am a Malaysian Chinese. I think Chinese and Indians have been conned by their politicians for decades. Are there any advantages to SJK other than syok sendiri? Preferential entry to universities, extra scholarships, higher allocations from the government? What are the tangible benefits that we get by staying as SJK?

What is the difference if you rename SJK (C/T) <Contoh> into SK <Contoh> ? The teachers and the students are still the same.
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If you didn't study your Mandarin and Maths properly...Thats why you are loserguy. whistling.gif

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If you didn't study your Mandarin and Maths properly...Thats why you are loserguy.  whistling.gif
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Will having an extra J in the name suddenly make you a Maths and Mandarin prodigy? Maybe.

But having this extra J will definitely provide an excuse for preferential treatment and allocations. As mentioned before, the teachers and students are the same.

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SJKC is used as a scapegoats' for all the sin done in Malaysia.

Without SJKC/T, all the problems in Malaysia will be FIXED automatically!
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SJKC is used as a scapegoats' for all the sin done in Malaysia.

Without SJKC/T, all the problems in Malaysia will be FIXED automatically!
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Even after they managed to destroy SJK, i am sure they will find other issues to blame the minorities and ask us go back tongsan and Yindia just as expected.
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ownself cannot success, therefore make other ppl like them..!! biasalah mentality certain type of ppl..!! if gov school was so good, I don't think ppl will send their children to Chinese school..!!
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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jan 2 2020, 11:08 AM)
I am a Malaysian Chinese. I think Chinese and Indians have been conned by their politicians for decades. Are there any advantages to SJK other than syok sendiri? Preferential entry to universities, extra scholarships, higher allocations from the government? What are the tangible benefits that we get by staying as SJK?

What is the difference if you rename SJK (C/T) <Contoh> into SK <Contoh> ? The teachers and the students are still the same.
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The SJK and SK at one point were all teaching everything in English with BM as a compulsory subject on the same syllabus and Mandarin and Tamil as extra. It wasnt MCA/DAP/MIC who scrapped this but UMNO laugh.gif This single language stream has been around for the entirety of 2002~2012 so I'll assume that you're either too old or too young to notice this.

And also is there actually a SJK for secondary school? i thought it was primary school jer....... even the well known chunghwa public and kuncheng secondary school in KL teach the syllabus in BM while doing an extra mandarin subject for SPM. So i dont think that 6 years of vernacular education in primary school leaves any huge impact at all...

And that those Chinese who cant speak BM properly are plainly just suck in studies.. I'm pretty sure their mandarin also sucks balls and they actually speak mostly Cantonese/Hokkien.


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QUOTE(loserguy @ Jan 2 2020, 11:08 AM)
I am a Malaysian Chinese. I think Chinese and Indians have been conned by their politicians for decades. Are there any advantages to SJK other than syok sendiri? Preferential entry to universities, extra scholarships, higher allocations from the government? What are the tangible benefits that we get by staying as SJK?

What is the difference if you rename SJK (C/T) <Contoh> into SK <Contoh> ? The teachers and the students are still the same.
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Commenting just on the last part. I believe there is more meddling in SK as compared to SJK from MoE.
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Although i don't like this sei sohai TS, i agree with him on this.

Sekolah kebangsaan in this country just cannot provide the same level of education as SRJK.

Just look at the mathematics level of SK & SRJK students in secondary school, heaven & earth difference. Not just that, i doubt the chinese/tamil education provided by SK will be able to match the one currently provided by SRJK.
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All the BS about one nation one stream one fark

No need go far, just see Indonesia, what happened to the Chinese there? Even their name also changed to Indon name, end up get terrorized, shops burnt, woman raped and killed. And until today, they never apologized to the Chinese community there. Most Chinese run away to Singapore.

It's a no brainer why Malaysian Chinese should reject this bullshit. You agree with this bullshit, the malays will still find something to blame and one day follow their Indon footsteps.
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QUOTE(red4900 @ Jan 2 2020, 10:12 AM)
Exactly.

This all started because people keep questioning about quota, bumi right, etc. Saying unfair la apa la. But when asked the same from their people, then bising pula

If everyone just senyap2 coexist, this all wouldnt happen.
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Well, to me, the govt should remove bumi quota, bumi right & everything related to bumi and islam and do the same to other races to. Whoever oppose is definitely racist.

QUOTE(yokoloco @ Jan 2 2020, 10:20 AM)
if remove vernacular school, pls remove sekolah agama + uni kuota.
since the reason is want all study together for national unity
then somehow hope the Education Ministry can elevate the education level instead of using schs as propaganda camps
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Yes. Remove sekolah agama and sjk. If you want to learn anything about your motherland culture and brotherhood culture/religion, learn it after school. No education budget should go to sekolah agama and sjk. If the parents insists of sending their kids to sekolah sejenis bangsa or sejenis agama, allow license to private school operator to provide this kind of school. If free, all normal national school.

And please remove pendidikan islam from the syllabus. Whoever wants their kids to learn islam, pay for tuition after school. I hate when ustat taught my kids stupid things in school. Make my task of correcting my kids mentality harder. But fortunately my sons can accept logic when explained.

QUOTE(chemnz @ Jan 2 2020, 11:04 AM)
One nation. One system.

- make bahasa, mandarin, english compulsory (lets be honest, Bahasa is our national language. Mandarin and English has practical uses, so macha dun marah ya. y'all still get 2 public holidays, unlike our Sikh brethren)

- revamp agama islam and abolish pendidikan moral (fight me if you want, but agama islam classes has NOT proven to make muslims better and tolerant people. improve that shit. pendidikan moral otoh is an insult to nons. how to make the schedule you ask? i don't know.. like maybe add an EXTRA FUCKING HOUR for agama islam every few school days?)

- dont hire cikgu bodo & emo. just because u graduated from some uni or maktab perguruan, doesn't mean jackshit if you can't teach. and at least have a decent command of english. dont make the saying "those who can't do, teach" a reality.

- PJK is not a real slot, and PJK teacher is not a real job. well, not unless you actually teach real health and fitness. if not, just focus on after school co-curriculum sports instead. could actually worth something for people who can actually excel of have interest in certain sports

- Ali has 5 guli, Ah Chong has 10, and Ravi has 1. that's a problem. get that shit fixed.
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No point making mandarin compulsory. Here is malaysia, not china. And i don’t see any use of mandarin other than trying to understand my fellow malaysian who refuse to speak in language i understand. Even the regional manager of my company in shenzen office speaks English.
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the saddest part of all this is in the name of unity we shall abolish vernacular schools. we have our differences, so what?
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Commenting just on the last part. I believe there is more meddling in SK as compared to SJK from MoE.
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the main is no quota , they wont tell you that you cannot move the higher performing class because they need to balance out the race.
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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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The reason Dong Zong is taking a hard stance on this issue is simply not because of the 3 pages of Jawi that all students would have to learn in school, but rather the dignity and rights of all the nons especially the Chinese. If you back down, the nons not only lose your honour and self respect (the Chinese has been giving in all these while), you lose your rights as a citizen as enshrined in the constitution. Same case with the call for the abolishment of SJKC schools in Malaysia. The schools has been here all along and it is one of the core "values" and what is left that belongs to the Chinese and the Nons. If this you allow them to take away from us, what will these people ask for next. It is the responsibility of all the nons especially the Chinese to defend what is rightfully theirs. Failure to do so will result in the loss of your own heritage, your identity, you dignity and ultimately your own self respect.
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QUOTE(keny2020j @ Jan 2 2020, 12:00 PM)
the main is no quota , they wont tell you that you cannot move the higher performing class because they need to balance out the race.
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I have been to one where they reserve one class for elite performing malays only... no nons inside. Of course, the school's best still coming from "second" class...
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QUOTE(Jon_123 @ Jan 2 2020, 11:31 AM)
ownself cannot success, therefore make other ppl like them..!! biasalah mentality certain type of ppl..!! if gov school was so good, I don't think ppl will send their children to Chinese school..!!
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Even their own race...loves to dengki each other.....the dengki is strong in this one!
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 2 2020, 12:02 PM)
The reason Dong Zong is taking a hard stance on this issue is simply not because of the 3 pages of Jawi that all students would have to learn in school, but rather the dignity and rights of all the nons especially the Chinese. If you back down, the nons not only lose your honour and self respect (the Chinese has been giving in all these while), you lose your rights as a citizen as enshrined in the constitution. Same case with the call for the abolishment of SJKC schools in Malaysia. The schools has been here all along and it is one of the core "values" and what is left that belongs to the Chinese and the Nons. If this you allow them to take away from us, what will these people ask for next. It is the responsibility of all the nons especially the Chinese to defend what is rightfully theirs. Failure to do so will result in the loss of your own heritage, your identity, you dignity and ultimately your own self respect.
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Exactly.

If back down today. Tomorrow will be 300 pages.
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I have been to one where they reserve one class for elite performing malays only... no nons inside. Of course, the school's  best still coming from "second" class...
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No point making mandarin compulsory. Here is malaysia, not china. And i don’t see any use of mandarin other than trying to understand my fellow malaysian who refuse to speak in language i understand. Even the regional manager of my company in shenzen office speaks English.
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I disagree. It's not really a matter of becos here is Malaysia yadayada argument. I don't buy that bullshit. It's practicality is beyond just a normal conversation. But you're lucky your manager can speak English. If he doesn't, doubt your chance is higher to get the job in the first place. Just think of it as a skill, rather than an impact to identity. Like shit man, you don't see people crying foul for not getting an engineering job when they're an art major, right? Equally, if you see it as a general skill, wouldn't that give you an edge over more jobs/businesses?

Plus you literally give zero chance for them to use the "you can't speak chinese" card.

Don't get me wrong. You orang Malaysia, you MUST know Bahasa too, first and foremost. Period.
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QUOTE(chemnz @ Jan 2 2020, 12:32 PM)
I disagree. It's not really a matter of becos here is Malaysia yadayada argument. I don't buy that bullshit. It's practicality is beyond just a normal conversation. But you're lucky your manager can speak English. If he doesn't, doubt your chance is higher to get the job in the first place. Just think of it as a skill, rather than an impact to identity. Like shit man, you don't see people crying foul for not getting an engineering job when they're an art major, right? Equally, if you see it as a general skill, wouldn't that give you an edge over more jobs/businesses?

Plus you literally give zero chance for them to use the "you can't speak chinese" card.

Don't get me wrong. You orang Malaysia, you MUST know Bahasa too, first and foremost. Period.
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If the regional manager can’t speak english, I doubt he will get hired for his position. German company wants people who can speak english even in PRC. With mandarin only, you might get hire for low rank position. And i don’t report to him. I’m reporting to local HOD who is a Malaysian. And all regional engineers in Shanghai and Shenzhen can speak english. Even regional engineeer in Singapore from China also speak English. So, when do i need mandarin? I don’t. Like i said, i my company, i only need mandarin if i want to speak to Malaysian who refuse to speak english or BM only.

Making mandarin compulsory is just as stupid as making jawi compulsory. If you want to learn mandarin. Take language classes after school. You can opt to learn other languages too, like Japanese if you like j-drama or Korean if you like k-pop etc2.

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if you wanna sell Maressia as multiracial country to the rest of the world, then Maressia should continue to be the melting pot experiment like USA.
If you wanna sell Maressia as Islamic Malay civilisation, then sell Maressia like Arab states. Muslim majority, Muslim law, with non-Muslim minority.

So, Bani Seijimura.....which one are you?
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i will stick to the second, as long the sultan is presence, it is mean that the malay islaimic civilirization still exist for now. the sultan is evidence
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both of you don't make sense and don't use brain


according to article Malaysia, NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE RELIGIONIST WANTED YOU WILL NEVER EVER BE LIKE SAUDI

there is no such thing as MUSLIM MAJORITY WITH NON MUSLIM MINORITY in ARAB STATE such as SAUDI and BRUNEI

according to citizenship law of SAUDI & BRUNEI and others alike, ALL CITIZENS OF THE ISLAMIC STATES MUST BE MUSLIM.THOSE MINORITY are just PR.YOU WANT TO BE A CITIZEN?CONVERT TO MUSLIM.

THE RELIGIONIST in MALAYSIA can continue LYING TO YOURSELF that you are living in an islamic state but you are not

in 60's till now, DAP has been wanting to promote MALAYSIA for MALAYSIAN but UMNOPAS shit just want it to be MALAYSIA for MALAY.wake up la.....if is so why not you stop eating any chinese influence food such as fried rice, koay teow,kuih muih, apam balik,etc.ALL THESE FOOD were brought over by the chinese immigrant back in old days.
We are a big family we can't live without each other la dumb ass.

bani_prime sultan here is diff with king of the UAE....they don't rule the country.MAKE UP YOUR MIND...you want a sultanate country or a democracy country?which country are you living in?you LIVE IN MALAYSIA not ARAB.
you ppl are no diff than those that you claim communist
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 01:35 PM)
If the regional manager can’t speak english, I doubt he will get hired for his position. German company wants people who can’t speak english even in PRC. With mandarin only, you might get hire for low rank position. And i don’t report to him. I’m reporting to local HOD who is a Malaysian. And all regional engineers in Shanghai and Shenzhen can speak english. Even regional engineeer in Singapore from China also speak English. So, when do i need mandarin? I don’t. Like i said, i my company, i only need mandarin if i want to speak to Malaysian who refuse to speak english or BM only.

Making mandarin compulsory is just as stupid as making jawi compulsory. If you want to learn mandarin. Take language classes after school. You can opt to learn other languages too, like Japanese if you like j-drama or Korean if you like k-pop etc2.
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That's some comfortable job there.

But not every companies/businesses run like yours right? You work for a German company, figures. I get it. Judging from your comments, sounds like you haven't tried different work cultures. Go out a little. Work at local cinapek, SG, or PRC owned companies. These are the prevailing businesses in the region too. You'll see what I mean. Sure your boss can speak English, but the people you deal with most of the time to get shit done from other depts or colleagues aren't necessarily as fluent in English as you wish (try see working with PRC devs or equivalent others especially).

Look, I can respect your opinion, but only to the extent where it applies to your own workplace, because it is an MNC, so no doubt it will hire the staffs that can speak English. I've had the pleasure/displeasure of working with 2 MNCs, 1 SG, 1 SG+PRC, and 1 locally owned company. So yeah ma dude. Practicality for all. Don't be like those 'this is America, we speak English' pipu. It's just another language that has great uses, even more so in the future.
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That's some comfortable job there.

But not every companies/businesses run like yours right? You work for a German company, figures. I get it. Judging from your comments, sounds like you haven't tried different work cultures. Go out a little. Work at local cinapek, SG, or PRC owned companies. These are the prevailing businesses in the region too. You'll see what I mean. Sure your boss can speak English, but the people you deal with most of the time to get shit done from other depts or colleagues aren't necessarily as fluent in English as you wish (try see working with PRC devs or equivalent others especially).

Look, I can respect your opinion, but only to the extent where it applies to your own workplace, because it is an MNC, so no doubt it will hire the staffs that can speak English. I've had the pleasure/displeasure of working with 2 MNCs, 1 SG, 1 SG+PRC, and 1 locally owned company. So yeah ma dude. Practicality for all. Don't be like those 'this is America, we speak English' pipu. It's just another language that has great uses, even more so in the future.
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I am not saying Mandarin is useless. Mandarin is good if you’re aspiring to work for PRC company. But other than that, mandarin has not much use.

I am just dismissing your idea of making Mandarin compulsory to malaysian, not dissing the languages.

I have worked in one cinapek company, two local public listed companies, one British company, one french company and one german company. None of them requires me to speak Mandarin. Heck, even those is cinapek company don’t speak mandarin, they all speak hokkien.

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I am not saying Mandarin is useless. Mandarin is good if you’re aspiring to work for PRC company. But other than that, mandarin has not much use.

I am just dismissing your idea of making Mandarin compulsory to malaysian, not dissing the languages.

I have worked in one cinapek company, two local public listed companies, one British company, one french company and one german company. None of them requires me to speak Mandarin. Heck, even those is cinapek company don’t speak mandarin, they all speak hokkien.
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More like mandarin with plenty of hokkien in it. Ok la bro. Guess we gotta agree to disagree on this then? Good thing I'm not a policy maker.
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I am not saying Mandarin is useless. Mandarin is good if you’re aspiring to work for PRC company. But other than that, mandarin has not much use.

I am just dismissing your idea of making Mandarin compulsory to malaysian, not dissing the languages.

I have worked in one cinapek company, two local public listed companies, one British company, one french company and one german company. None of them requires me to speak Mandarin. Heck, even those is cinapek company don’t speak mandarin, they all speak hokkien.
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no doubt mandarin is advantageous ... but i dont think we should force it to be compulsory especially in Malaysia. Afterall many kids are struggling to keep up with that many subjects already... even with 2 language they can barely manage.

And also why want to share the pie brows.gif if everyone speaks mandarin then there'll be no more advantage for mandarin speakers in the job hunt laugh.gif.


We should pretty much go back to 2002 and use that teaching of Science and Maths in English Moral studies in BM. retain the SJK for their additional language class for parents who thinks their kids can cope with the extra language. The rest can just go SK.

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QUOTE(chemnz @ Jan 2 2020, 02:56 PM)
More like mandarin with plenty of hokkien in it. Ok la bro. Guess we gotta agree to disagree on this then? Good thing I'm not a policy maker.
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Not sure. But my boss said he don’t know mandarin because he went to SK. I guess pure hokkien then.

QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 02:56 PM)
no doubt mandarin is advantageous ... but i dont think we should force it to be compulsory especially in Malaysia. Afterall many kids are struggling to keep up with that many subjects already... even with 2 language they can barely manage.

And also why want to share the pie brows.gif if everyone speaks mandarin then there'll be no more advantage for mandarin speakers in the job hunt laugh.gif.
We should pretty much go back to 2002 and use that teaching of Science and Maths in English Moral studies in BM. retain the SJK for their additional language class for parents who thinks their kids can cope with the extra language. The rest can just go SK.
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This is true. No doubt you have higher chances to work in PRC company if you know mandarin, but most malaysian are struggling to master 2 languages, you wanted them to learn 3rd one which has no use to them.

I can understand three languages too because i learned arab in school. But do you think learning arab has any benefit to me? No. Because i am not in oil and gas industry. It was kind of waste learning arab in school. Should have taken japanese instead.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 01:35 PM)
And all regional engineers in Shanghai and Shenzhen can speak english. Even regional engineeer in Singapore from China also speak English. So, when do i need mandarin? I don’t. Like i said, i my company, i only need mandarin if i want to speak to Malaysian who refuse to speak english or BM only.
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Same with my experience last time. My cina colleague even kena tiau by the China people when speaking Mandarin during meeting. His only main job is actually just to translate my report into mandarin due to we practice dual language report. Itupun banyak kali kena marah cuz his mandarin is not up to par with China standard.
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- Ali has 5 guli, Ah Chong has 10, and Ravi has 1. that's a problem. get that shit fixed.
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Careful in the thinking up of the solution.
First of all, wealth is not a fixed pie. It can grow. Because Ali, Ah Chong and Ravi doesn't just circulate the 16 guli among 3 of them only. They can trade with other kids.

3 of them have to get guli in the guli battle. All of them have to give banker some guli if they posses more than certain amount of guli. Bankers guli are shared for all their benefits. So how to fix this inequality problem? Use the 70's method, limit Ah Chong's guli battle and ask Ravi to go, without actually teaching him skills. Bankers will provide him guli, mostly provided by Ah Chong. Will this solve the problem? Or will it make the banker less guli?
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I am not saying Mandarin is useless. Mandarin is good if you’re aspiring to work for PRC company. But other than that, mandarin has not much use.

I am just dismissing your idea of making Mandarin compulsory to malaysian, not dissing the languages.

I have worked in one cinapek company, two local public listed companies, one British company, one french company and one german company. None of them requires me to speak Mandarin. Heck, even those is cinapek company don’t speak mandarin, they all speak hokkien.
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not really prc company, my mnc bank needs to deal with local authorities, that's why mandarin is advantageous for the role, same for hk environment
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not really prc company, my mnc bank needs to deal with local authorities, that's why mandarin is advantageous for the role, same for hk environment
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Not sure. But my boss said he don’t know mandarin because he went to SK. I guess pure hokkien then.
This is true. No doubt you have higher chances to work in PRC company if you know mandarin, but most malaysian are struggling to master 2 languages, you wanted them to learn 3rd one which has no use to them.

I can understand three languages too because i learned arab in school. But do you think learning arab has any benefit to me? No. Because i am not in oil and gas industry. It was kind of waste learning arab in school. Should have taken japanese instead.
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True that. that's why those that cant speak proper BM/English but converse in mandarin daily.. their mandarin is actually at the level of Bahasa rempit to BM speakers. Having worked with Taiwanese and PRCs.. they admitted that they can never fully understand daily malaysian mandarin which turns out to be a rojak of slangs from dialects and a grammatical nightmare laugh.gif. When there's too many things to focus, they'll end up mastering nothing.

Well it's always good to have additional knowledge but we have to make sure the kids are truly competent with English at the very least before adding more ingredients to the soup.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 2 2020, 03:13 PM)
Same with my experience last time. My cina colleague even kena tiau by the China people when speaking Mandarin during meeting. His only main job is actually just to translate my report into mandarin due to we practice dual language report. Itupun banyak kali kena marah cuz his mandarin is not up to par with China standard.
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Lol. Happened to colleague of mine also, but from other department, kononnya want to speak mandarin to PRC people when he came down to Malaysia, but the Guangzhou born manager replied to him in English laugh.gif

I guess you colleague mandarin level is rempit level. Like most people here who speaks primarily BM but at rempit level, ask them to write official report/letter/documents in BM, grammar and vocabs all over the place.

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Lol. Happened to colleague of mine also, but from other department, kononnya want to speak mandarin to PRC people when he came down to Malaysia, but the Guangzhou born manager replied to him in English laugh.gif

I guess you colleague mandarin level is rempit level. Like most people here who speaks primarily BM but at rempit level, ask them to write official report/letter/documents in BM, grammar and vocabs all over the place.
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It's a simple formula really.... as a student, if they cant be fluent in a compulsory language such as BM and English, What is there to say about their mandarin level... which coincidentally is one of the most difficult language to learn. laugh.gif ... and in the same context.. those SK dudes should also look in the mirror about their BM. Speaking bahasa pasar is not fluency lmao.
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Careful in the thinking up of the solution.
First of all, wealth is not a fixed pie. It can grow. Because Ali, Ah Chong and Ravi doesn't just circulate the 16 guli among 3 of them only. They can trade with other kids.

3 of them have to get guli in the guli battle. All of them have to give banker some guli if they posses more than certain amount of guli. Bankers guli are shared for all their benefits. So how to fix this inequality problem? Use the 70's method, limit Ah Chong's guli battle and ask Ravi to go, without actually teaching him skills. Bankers will provide him guli, mostly provided by Ah Chong. Will this solve the problem? Or will it make the banker less guli?
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hehe. nice catch there.
don't know. if i know also, i can't fix it.

QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 03:27 PM)
Lol. Happened to colleague of mine also, but from other department, kononnya want to speak mandarin to PRC people when he came down to Malaysia, but the Guangzhou born manager replied to him in English laugh.gif

I guess you colleague mandarin level is rempit level. Like most people here who speaks primarily BM but at rempit level, ask them to write official report/letter/documents in BM, grammar and vocabs all over the place.
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Might I add. I didn't mean learn rojak Mandarin. sweat.gif sweat.gif
I remember a PRC Grab passenger bitch to me in English, saying locals here Mandarin like shit cos rojak lots of hokkien, cantonese, with a dose of local accent.

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True that. that's why those that cant speak proper BM/English but converse in mandarin daily.. their mandarin is actually at the level of Bahasa rempit to BM speakers. Having worked with Taiwanese and PRCs.. they admitted that they can never fully understand daily malaysian mandarin which turns out to be a rojak of slangs from dialects and a grammatical nightmare laugh.gif.  When there's too many things to focus, they'll end up mastering nothing.

Well it's always good to have additional knowledge but we have to make sure the kids are truly competent with English at the very least before adding more ingredients to the soup.
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LOL. Just like what i experienced when i had a meeting with a client company from taiwan. Some personnel from taiwan came down to Malaysia, so in the meeting there was one lady from taiwan, one lady from PRC, two malaysian chinese ladies, and one malay guy. The meeting was in English but since the English of the two non malaysian was not so good, occasionally the malay guy will elaborate my point to those ladies in Mandarin.

I was wondering why the malay guy always do the talking when all of them are in the same level? (all managers). So i asked him when we were alone. He told me because the two Malaysian are too used to the language, they spoke in language that is mix and match of few dialects, hence the taiwanese and PRC is having a hard time to understand. Unlike him, he learned formal mandarin and speak pure textbook mandarin.

Just like rempit vs non-malay who scored A1 in BM in SPM, definitely the guy who scored A1 can speak and write better BM than the rempit.
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Lol. Happened to colleague of mine also, but from other department, kononnya want to speak mandarin to PRC people when he came down to Malaysia, but the Guangzhou born manager replied to him in English laugh.gif

I guess you colleague mandarin level is rempit level. Like most people here who speaks primarily BM but at rempit level, ask them to write official report/letter/documents in BM, grammar and vocabs all over the place.
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I dont know la. Maybe conversational mandarin ok la kot. But bm and english totally out. All reports in mandarin in the end my China manager kena redo before sending out to hq.
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The obvious choice is to improve national school until it surpassed vernacular school as top 1 choice. Sadly, they are too prideful.

People these days doesnt trust the concept of All in one school that much especially with cases of eating in toilet during puasa and existence of religous / MARA schools. Double standard aint it ?

You can't demand people to give in into your demands without giving them something to balance out. People just can't accept it. Want vernaculars gone ? Then follow singapore. All use same education standard and English ( a language not native to any ethnic race locally, hence fair game, since everyone has to work equally hard)


On the side note

few days ago, I met a Malay government official, that can't spell konsultan and akaun in BM without thinking for 10-20 secs, says a lot about double standards of those who demand others to be good in BM. While I believe Chinese should improve their BM, I believe Chinese do understand BM but its the slang, speed and accent of native speakers that threw them off. I can understand standard BM with good pronunciation but not when you are rapping through the phone, don't even mention Kelantanese slang. That said, if you cannot participate in simple conversation in BM, you should start improving. No need for speech worthy proficiency, but at least don't stutter in everyday conversation.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 03:35 PM)
It's a simple formula really.... as a student, if they cant be fluent in a compulsory language such as BM and English, What is there to say about their mandarin level... which coincidentally is one of the most difficult language to learn. laugh.gif ... and in the same context.. those SK dudes should also look in the mirror about their BM. Speaking bahasa pasar is not fluency lmao.
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Indeed. That's why I am sceptical when one of the supposed main reason for hiring mandarin speakers is said to be because of dealing with business from China. I dont know about those cinapek company but my experience with MNC was the other way around.
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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country.
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I'm a Chinese but jenis school is not my identity.
Please don't gatekeep the Chinese identity.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 03:35 PM)
It's a simple formula really.... as a student, if they cant be fluent in a compulsory language such as BM and English, What is there to say about their mandarin level... which coincidentally is one of the most difficult language to learn. laugh.gif ... and in the same context.. those SK dudes should also look in the mirror about their BM. Speaking bahasa pasar is not fluency lmao.
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Yeah. Tell that to those racist lowlifes in FB. Write in bahasa rempit that even I don’t understand tapi ada hati nak kutuk non-malay’s proficiency in BM.

But me on the other hand, A in arab in PMR, A1 in BM and English in SPM, so i have the right to kutuk other people’s language proficiency laugh.gif
QUOTE(chemnz @ Jan 2 2020, 03:42 PM)
hehe. nice catch there.
don't know. if i know also, i can't fix it.
Might I add. I didn't mean learn rojak Mandarin.  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
I remember a PRC Grab passenger bitch to me in English, saying locals here Mandarin like shit cos rojak lots of hokkien, cantonese, with a dose of local accent.
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So i guess learning mandarin in SJK is overrated for chinese speaking people. Only good for non-chinese.

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Can we be able to move forward...

Currently ..we even need to hire people to work in our company if they talk like us..

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not really prc company, my mnc bank needs to deal with local authorities, that's why mandarin is advantageous for the role, same for hk environment
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I guess you’re working in PRC? If so then of course it is important the learn the local language.
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I dont know la. Maybe conversational mandarin ok la kot. But bm and english totally out. All reports in mandarin in the end my China manager kena redo before sending out to hq.
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What’s the point of hiring him then? sweat.gif
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I guess you’re working in PRC? If so then of course it is important the learn the local language.
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here and there, not stationed in prc, just that projects are market specific
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here and there, not stationed in prc, just that projects are market specific
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Well if you deal with authorities where the local language is Mandarin, of course it is important for you to master the language.

In malaysia, official documentation mostly can be done in BM and English, so in that aspect we are better than single language countries.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 2 2020, 03:54 PM)
Indeed. That's why I am sceptical when one of the supposed main reason for hiring mandarin speakers is said to be because of dealing with business from China. I dont know about those cinapek company but my experience with MNC was the other way around.
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When it is a required criteria, they will expect to see some level of fluency like read and write.. or perhaps a supporting SPM result... usually can judge through interview.


QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 03:59 PM)
Yeah. Tell that to those racist lowlifes in FB. Write in bahasa rempit that even I don’t understand tapi ada hati nak kutuk non-malay’s proficiency in BM.
But me on the other hand, A in arab in PMR, A1 in BM and English in SPM, so i have the right to kutuk other people’s language proficiency laugh.gif
So i guess learning mandarin in SJK is overrated for chinese speaking people. Only good for non-chinese.
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Sending kids to SJK especially SJKC is not entirely for the mandarin language (afterall from 2002-2012 the teaching medium for science and maths were english). The main purpose is actually for the learning motivation and the teaching environment which is culturally similar to schools in east asia.. where their goal is to excel in exams. Almost every high performing SJKC in KL will have after school classes to further boost the main UPSR subjects and perform hours of revision on past year questions to better prepare the kids for the actual exam.

Comparatively, SJKC is so competitive that the top scorers for UPSR will even be rewarded, in some schools ... with cash from the PIBG's fund. im not joking lol...... And there will be alot of emphasis on the top classes where they are given alot of private opportunities to join competitions or apply scholarships especially the ASEAN scholarship where they will send a batch of promising students every year to take the qualifying exam.

SJKC will always use these achievements to get more students because with minimal funding from the ministry to maintain their school, they survive on "donations" and that the future of the school lies on the student's headcount.

These additional opportunities and initiatives that you dont usually see in SK is what made SJKC stand out.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 05:40 PM)
When it is a required criteria, they will expect to see some level of fluency like read and write.. or perhaps a supporting SPM result... usually can judge through interview.
Sending kids to SJK especially SJKC is not entirely for the mandarin language (afterall from 2002-2012 the teaching medium for science and maths were english). The main purpose is actually for the learning motivation and the teaching environment which is culturally similar to schools in east asia.. where their goal is to excel in exams.

Comparatively, SJKC is competitive were the top scorers for UPSR will be rewarded, in some schools ... with cash from the PIBG's fund. im not joking lol......  And there will be alot of emphasis on the top classes where they are given alot of private opportunities to join competitions or apply scholarships especially the ASEAN scholarship.

These additional opportunities and initiatives that you dont usually see in SK is what made SJKC stand out.
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Sure or not? Ever heard of SK Bukit Jelutong? SK Tun Syed? SK Bukit Damansara? These schools compete at international level, be in arts, science or maths. And dont start with MRSM and SBP like STAR MCKK SAS TKC even RMC boys excel in music arts robotic debate sports. They even play rugby with angmoh, win gold medal in robotic and invention comp, perform band wind orchestra in europe japan at world level competition.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 05:40 PM)
When it is a required criteria, they will expect to see some level of fluency like read and write.. or perhaps a supporting SPM result... usually can judge through interview.
Sending kids to SJK especially SJKC is not entirely for the mandarin language (afterall from 2002-2012 the teaching medium for science and maths were english). The main purpose is actually for the learning motivation and the teaching environment which is culturally similar to schools in east asia.. where their goal is to excel in exams.

Comparatively, SJKC is competitive were the top scorers for UPSR will be rewarded, in some schools ... with cash from the PIBG's fund. im not joking lol......  And there will be alot of emphasis on the top classes where they are given alot of private opportunities to join competitions or apply scholarships especially the ASEAN scholarship.

These additional opportunities and initiatives that you dont usually see in SK is what made SJKC stand out.
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Sure or not? Ever heard of SK Bukit Jelutong? SK Tun Syed? SK Bukit Damansara? These schools compete at international level, be in arts, science or maths. And dont start with MRSM and SBP like STAR MCKK SAS TKC even RMC boys excel in music arts robotic debate sports. They even play rugby with angmoh, win gold medal in robotic and invention comp, perform band wind orchestra in europe japan at world level competition.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 03:59 PM)
So i guess learning mandarin in SJK is overrated for chinese speaking people. Only good for non-chinese.
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Hahahah.. I guess?
See how Malays get so cancerous with Bahasa in talking/writing, I think the same can be said in SJK too.

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Sure or not? Ever heard of SK Bukit Jelutong? SK Tun Syed? SK Bukit Damansara? These schools compete at international level, be in arts, science or maths. And dont start with MRSM and SBP like STAR MCKK SAS TKC even RMC boys excel in music arts robotic debate sports. They even play rugby with angmoh, win gold medal in robotic and invention comp, perform band wind orchestra in europe japan at world level competition.
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of course i do, my highschool have many that came from one of the schools you mentioned .. but you also cannot rule out the sheer number of SJKCs that equally have a good streak of academic and co-curricular achievements. Not to mention the entry criteria to SJKC is not as difficult... and that they're all just average schools.

But got to note that not all SJKC are good also... deswai some SJKC with the same name but diff campus, one will be favored more than the other eventhough they are side by side.

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wow. this TS must be a dong zong terrorist. hardcore anti-government terrorist body who always care about communism, culture shit and old man thinking.

I hope the government start putting down hard on the dung zong. this ideology is just as bad as the curry buns.

u look at the dung zong people, i even saw a smoker. this kind of people are the kind who will bomb and do terrorism one day just because we dont folow their demands. be very careful man
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Pls la u are comparing dongzhong to communism

Just like how ppl tie PAS to being terrorist.

Ppl like u with that stupid mindset is the epitome of idiocity in this country.

Not every chinese is like dong zhong and not every pas is terrorist. Some chinese want srjk to stick around because they know once u eradicate this that means u will end up like indon where everyone is a sohai.

Protecting srjk is the first line of defence agaisnts sohais like u.

Ps sorry ayam not dong zhong supporter but ayam think logically.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 04:40 PM)
Sending kids to SJK especially SJKC is not entirely for the mandarin language (afterall from 2002-2012 the teaching medium for science and maths were english). The main purpose is actually for the learning motivation and the teaching environment which is culturally similar to schools in east asia.. where their goal is to excel in exams. Almost every high performing SJKC in KL will have after school classes to further boost the main UPSR subjects and perform hours of revision on past year questions to better prepare the kids for the actual exam.
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Another reason why I oppose chinese schools.
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I know so many Malays who send their kids to chinese school last time, now they are successful ppl doing own business.

The main issue here is some ppl dont want to change , but fail to realise that CHANGE is the only constant in life!


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Another reason why I oppose chinese schools.
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good mar... good at producing engineers, lawyers, medicine and finance people. Where the skill at reading, digest and vomit on exam papers will help them to get their papers brows.gif increasing our country's occupational technical skill level the quicker way... provided they dont jump to another country.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 04:40 PM)
When it is a required criteria, they will expect to see some level of fluency like read and write.. or perhaps a supporting SPM result... usually can judge through interview.
Sending kids to SJK especially SJKC is not entirely for the mandarin language (afterall from 2002-2012 the teaching medium for science and maths were english). The main purpose is actually for the learning motivation and the teaching environment which is culturally similar to schools in east asia.. where their goal is to excel in exams. Almost every high performing SJKC in KL will have after school classes to further boost the main UPSR subjects and perform hours of revision on past year questions to better prepare the kids for the actual exam.

Comparatively, SJKC is so competitive that the top scorers for UPSR will even be rewarded, in some schools ... with cash from the PIBG's fund. im not joking lol......  And there will be alot of emphasis on the top classes where they are given alot of private opportunities to join competitions or apply scholarships especially the ASEAN scholarship where they will send a batch of promising students every year to take the qualifying exam.

SJKC will always use these achievements to get more students because with minimal funding from the ministry to maintain their school, they survive on "donations" and that the future of the school lies on the student's headcount.

These additional opportunities and initiatives that you dont usually see in SK is what made SJKC stand out.
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Well I came from the best school in Kelantan but not SJK, so i can’t speak on behalf of not so performing SK.

But SK vs SJK in term of performance, just like Canon vs Nikon argument. Lower end model one brand might perform better than the other and vice versa for high end model.

In Kelantan, the “high end model”, SK always win, top school like SIC, Ahmad Maher, Naim Lil Banat is consistently better than SMJK Chung Hwa. Not sure about low end school though. And I can’t speak about school in other state too.

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 04:13 PM)
Well if you deal with authorities where the local language is Mandarin, of course it is important for you to master the language.

In malaysia, official documentation mostly can be done in BM and English, so in that aspect we are better than single language countries.
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in some sense yes, but in another way, if u speak their mother tongue, u have better relationship with ur team, and they willing to go extra mile for u

i do the same for people here, see different people, i use different language
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Another reason why I oppose chinese schools.
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This is the reason why Chinese schools are no longer the school of choice for some Chinese parents. They are too academic focus and any student who can't cope with such a system will be left behind. We always see the glory side of Chinese schools but never realize that there are a lot of failures too.

I have a friend who send his daughter to Chinese school and she was miserable for 6 years from standard 1 to 6. She was always in the weaker student class where she was neglected. Her academic results were terrible and she hated going to school. After standard 6, she was homeschooled and by the time she reach university, her results were excellent. My friend show me some of the assignments she do when she was in form 1 age and I was impressed. Homeschool gave her the freedom to study at her own pace and to her strength.

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is it really true that SRJK has less funding (in terms of absolute ringgit per number of student) from federal? Has anyone has real statistic data to backup this statement?

or its just a case of perception where, they felt injustice by having better academic result while at the same time receiving same amount of funding with other SRKs.

or that better academic results can be sustained only if there are external donations from parents?

Have you seen SRKs in kampungs?
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 2 2020, 05:20 PM)
Well I came from the best school in Kelantan but not SJK, so i can’t speak on behalf of not so performing SK.

But SK vs SJK in term of performance, just like Canon vs Nikon argument. Lower end model one brand might perform better than the other and vice versa for high end model.

In Kelantan, the “high end model”, SK always win, top school like SIC, Ahmad Maher, Naim Lil Banat is consistently better than SMJK Chung Hwa. Not sure about low end school though. And I can’t speak about school in other state too.
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location i suppose.. like KL area are usually dominated by SJKC in terms of sheer numbers of performing schools.

But then again, the overall performance of public schools including SJKCs are dropping also nowadays... as the more gifted/privileged children are enrolled in international schools/home schooling already. Some SJKCs cant even fill up the class rooms lately.

QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 2 2020, 05:29 PM)
This is the reason why Chinese schools are no longer the school of choice for some Chinese parents. They are too academic focus and any student who can't cope with such a system will be left behind. We always see the glory side of Chinese schools but never realize that there are a lot of failures too.

I have a friend who send his daughter to Chinese school and she was miserable for 6 years from standard 1 to 6. She was always in the weaker student class where she was neglected. Her academic results were terrible and she hated going to school. After standard 6, she was homeschooled and by the time she reach university, her results were excellent. My friend show me some of the assignments she do when she was in form 1 age and I was impressed. Homeschool gave her the freedom to study at her own pace and to her strength.
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Because Homeschooling there is a lower student to teacher ratio and so more attention can be given to each student's performance... so when the kid cant keep up, the rest of the class will adjust the pace. But cant expect the same for a class of 50 students to do the same.

but then you can not compare it that way also because the cost is not a joke laugh.gif but this is also why the gap is getting ridiculously big.. the rich keeps getting smarter and richer while the poor just remained the same.

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QUOTE(sanwaltz @ Jan 2 2020, 05:41 PM)
is it really true that SRJK has less funding (in terms of absolute ringgit per number of student) from federal? Has anyone has real statistic data to backup this statement?

or its just a case of perception where, they felt injustice by having better academic result while at the same time receiving same amount of funding with other SRKs.

or that better academic results can be sustained only if there are external donations from parents?

Have you seen SRKs in kampungs?
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normally the disparity in terms on funding is for land, building maintenance costs and equipment. Administratively, the teachers are all paid by the gov so that's why SJKC will always have a PIBG who will do fund raising and collect donations or do extra afterschool tuition from parents to maintain the school.... Another known method is by investing on building a multi purpose school hall which they will rent to the outside for badminton booking, wedding dinners or even general events and fairs. I dont think there's an actual data because it is not transparent back in the BN days but i can say the funding is so shitty that timidandslow's 300K FD is more than double what some SJKC received. (source: parent is guru besar of SRJKC) I remembered there was a year the school received a 4x 32" TV and and a dozen of crappy computers as the "funding" and the school was like wtf can we do with these shit.

That's why academic achievement is important as they rely on headcount unless they have a school hall.

Meanwhile.. if you drive along kampung areas like PD and melaka... those SRKs are daaaaaayuuuuuummmmnnnnn.

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and also how they allocating the money to school, must based on their students headcount. Im not being bias but all the while SK has pocket majority distribution fund, this has created imbalance for some time.
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SRJKc or SRJKt are the minority in Malaysia
and because of education system they seldom get any attention or spotlight for them.

Some people want abolish these school are equally like the middleclass people showing their middle finger to single mom/orang kebajikan/OKU in this society.

Sila pergi mampus.
These people are fucking pathetic and brainless.
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QUOTE(duHwaN @ Jan 2 2020, 10:56 AM)
Was there ever a Malay going through SJK and end up Chinese? They end up able to read and write Chinese, and maybe get employed because of exactly that...
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 2 2020, 05:45 PM)
location i suppose.. like KL area are usually dominated by SJKC in terms of sheer numbers of performing schools.

But then again, the overall performance of public schools including SJKCs are dropping also nowadays... as the more gifted/privileged children are enrolled in international schools/home schooling already. Some SJKCs cant even fill up the class rooms lately.
Because Homeschooling there is a lower student to teacher ratio and so more attention can be given to each student's performance... so when the kid cant keep up, the rest of the class will adjust the pace. But cant expect the same for a class of 50 students to do the same.

but then you can not compare it that way also because the cost is not a joke laugh.gif but this is also why the gap is getting ridiculously big.. the rich keeps getting smarter and richer while the poor just remained the same.
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I don’t know about normal school in KL, but i think boarding school like SSP, ASIS, KISAS, SAS are much better than any SJK you can name.
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I don’t know about normal school in KL, but i think boarding school like SSP, ASIS, KISAS, SAS are much better than any SJK you can name.
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Everywhere also the same. Look at Ipoh, so many sjk school but when results came out they're nowhere near the sbp or mrsm school. Lacking both in academics and sports. Syok sendiri people think sjk got good results.
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QUOTE(sle7in @ Jan 2 2020, 07:13 PM)
Everywhere also the same. Look at Ipoh, so many sjk school but when results came out they're nowhere near the sbp or mrsm school. Lacking both in academics and sports. Syok sendiri people think sjk got good results.
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Shhh let them perasan a bit
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QUOTE(sle7in @ Jan 2 2020, 07:13 PM)
Everywhere also the same. Look at Ipoh, so many sjk school but when results came out they're nowhere near the sbp or mrsm school. Lacking both in academics and sports. Syok sendiri people think sjk got good results.
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depends lar
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jan 2 2020, 12:02 PM)
The reason Dong Zong is taking a hard stance on this issue is simply not because of the 3 pages of Jawi that all students would have to learn in school, but rather the dignity and rights of all the nons especially the Chinese. If you back down, the nons not only lose your honour and self respect (the Chinese has been giving in all these while), you lose your rights as a citizen as enshrined in the constitution. Same case with the call for the abolishment of SJKC schools in Malaysia. The schools has been here all along and it is one of the core "values" and what is left that belongs to the Chinese and the Nons. If this you allow them to take away from us, what will these people ask for next. It is the responsibility of all the nons especially the Chinese to defend what is rightfully theirs. Failure to do so will result in the loss of your own heritage, your identity, you dignity and ultimately your own self respect.
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QUOTE(submergedx @ Jan 2 2020, 07:20 PM)
depends lar
tak kan IPOH = whole malaysia SJK kan
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i see alot of my relatives and friends sending their kids to international school nowadays, even though the fees are much more expensive. it is tough on their wallets, but they strongly believe that it is worth it. Sending them to international school is much better than govt school.

i kind of understand though. I am from a govt school years ago and the condition was really bad. PE teacher come teach Sejarah which he is clueless of, teacher always missing thus class free time can do whatever you want, some incapable trainee teacher who always cry, computer club without computers, "you cannot study, your problem" attitude from most teachers, alot of examples. Despite we always have Hari Kantin and charity drives, the funds always dunno gone where.

With the education so bad in school, we still do the segregation thing where better students go to A class, lousier students go to B class, and the hopeless go to C class. So for those without opportunities to go to tuition classes, their performances are pretty much bad for the next few years.

Some of my friends who were in B class manage to study law or doctor , but their family's strong financial background plays a role too (you can guess the race). So for those who are less unfortunate in terms of finance and yet didnt get proper education support in school, who knows.

The only good memories I have is I have lots of multiracial classmates whom I still keep in touch with till this day.

At the end of the day, the richer have better opportunity for better education than the poor. The poor can only resort to govt school, like it or not.

If I have money, I will send my kid to international school as well.

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I don't see why lembus are so butthurt over SRJK schools.

But I don't see the purpose of SRJK schools either, other than to have their own kind as headmasters. If all J school shut down, no chance for them to be at the top they say.

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I don’t know about normal school in KL, but i think boarding school like SSP, ASIS, KISAS, SAS are much better than any SJK you can name.
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cuz you’re taking these elite and selected high performance school that is monitored by the ministry that are heavily funded with state of the art facilities vs the standard SJKCs which is underfunded, out on their own and has a mixed quality of students yet performs better than average.

and the schools you mentioned are all secondary schools.. i didnt know there’s a SJK in secondary level.. because even the infamous chunghwa in KL is an SMK.

Altho a fair amount of SRJKC actually set their goals to push the kids to enter those said schools with their UPSR result. Which is why they’re so academic oriented and many did succeed... but mainly the goal back in my time was ASEAN scholarship.
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Just abolish race in constitution. No more segregation by race or religion. Every malaysian is equal.
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At the end of the day, the richer have better opportunity for better education than the poor. The poor can only resort to govt school, like it or not.

If I have money, I will send my kid to international school as well.
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that’s the sad truth. laugh.gif even then the poor also has too many distractions from studying properly.
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if they want to hapus vernecular school, we should also agree with they hapus
PAS, MIC, MCA, UMNO. All these are also segregating the political party base on race.
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Mean while andrew yang might be the 1st asian chinese potus. Here in malaysia we still racing about stupid simple things and maruah. A sad wawasan day. Not the day i tought it would be when i was younger
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QUOTE(bamkai @ Jan 3 2020, 12:51 AM)
Mean while andrew yang might be the 1st asian chinese potus. Here in malaysia we still racing about stupid simple things and maruah. A sad wawasan day. Not the day i tought it would be when i was younger
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It's fine, as the saying!

People will Challenge your domination, when you're successful! Becoz their 'insecurity' & fear!

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1) make public school as shit as possible
2) abolish srjk
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Won't be surprised after abolish SRJK , Private Schools, International Schools, Tuition Centers..these groups will demand studying now have "quota" , whoever "studies" in not approved places or time will be arrested.


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They are the same bunch of mofos who think that Ultraman Signature move can convert them
Into Christianity

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minority should follow majority
why dont want to be in same school
racist ah?
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everyday also got Race and Religion topics. Bosan lah, just work together for the betterment of Malaysia please
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agreed... regardless of which racing... work together for Malaysia... one of the reason why Malaysia seems to be left behind to other country is because these kind of people keep raising racing issue regardless of which racing... all are the same... hahahaha..

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This is the reason why Chinese schools are no longer the school of choice for some Chinese parents. They are too academic focus and any student who can't cope with such a system will be left behind. We always see the glory side of Chinese schools but never realize that there are a lot of failures too.

I have a friend who send his daughter to Chinese school and she was miserable for 6 years from standard 1 to 6. She was always in the weaker student class where she was neglected. Her academic results were terrible and she hated going to school. After standard 6, she was homeschooled and by the time she reach university, her results were excellent. My friend show me some of the assignments she do when she was in form 1 age and I was impressed. Homeschool gave her the freedom to study at her own pace and to her strength.
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Ah .. didn't know Malaysia got homeschool.
She still took PMR and SPM?
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Ah .. didn't know Malaysia got homeschool.
She still took PMR and SPM?
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There are a lot of learning centers nowadays in Klang Valley. She goes to such learning centers and connect to virtual classroom together with children around the world. If she wanted, she can even connect at home without going to learning centers. One thing for sure, she is very resourceful in finding information. Her school assignments are like those proposals we do at workplace. However, homsechool is not suitable for all students as it will need a lot of self discipline. Also, learning centers are operating with tuition center license as there are no proper governance yet unlike private or international schools. It is also the reason why this option is cheaper than private or international school. I think MOE is going to go after such learning/tuition centers soon.
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cuz you’re taking these elite and selected high performance school that is monitored by the ministry that are heavily funded with state of the art facilities vs the standard SJKCs which is underfunded, out on their own and has a mixed quality of students yet performs better than average.

and the schools you mentioned are all secondary schools.. i didnt know there’s a SJK in secondary level.. because even the infamous chunghwa in KL is an SMK.

Altho a fair amount of SRJKC actually set their goals to push the kids to enter those said schools with their UPSR result. Which is why they’re so academic oriented and many did succeed... but mainly the goal back in my time was ASEAN scholarship.
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Yeah. Like i said, if you compare top end of SMK vs SMJK, SMK most of the time win hands down. Heavily funded? I’m not sure. Maybe the fund was songlapped. State of the art facilities? No. Biasa2 je. But one this for sure, the teachers are the best of the best. Because if you’re a teacher and you’re transferred to those school, it means that the ministry recognized you as top teacher already.

And like i mentioned those top school in Kelantan, the admission criteria is all As in UPSR (there is backdoor way too if you know someone, well, this is malaysia).

And in Kelantan, Chung Hwa is SMJK.

I used to believe SJK produced good student too. Until I started working in SJK majority industry, only 10% are up to my standard, brain wise. Salary and position wise, they can up faster because their bosses pity them for being oppressed by the ketuanan melayu even they are not competent. Truth is ketuanan melayu is having minimal benefits to salaryman, financially.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 3 2020, 08:57 AM)
Yeah. Like i said, if you compare top end of SMK vs SMJK, SMK most of the time win hands down. Heavily funded? I’m not sure. Maybe the fund was songlapped. State of the art facilities? No. Biasa2 je. But one this for sure, the teachers are the best of the best. Because if you’re a teacher and you’re transferred to those school, it means that the ministry recognized you as top teacher already.

And like i mentioned those top school in Kelantan, the admission criteria is all As in UPSR (there is backdoor way too if you know someone, well, this is malaysia).

And in Kelantan, Chung Hwa is SMJK.

I used to believe SJK produced good student too. Until I started working in SJK majority industry, only 10% are up to my standard, brain wise. Salary and position wise, they can up faster because their bosses pity them for being oppressed by the ketuanan melayu even they are not competent. Truth is ketuanan melayu is having minimal benefits to salaryman, financially.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 3 2020, 08:57 AM)
Yeah. Like i said, if you compare top end of SMK vs SMJK, SMK most of the time win hands down. Heavily funded? I’m not sure. Maybe the fund was songlapped. State of the art facilities? No. Biasa2 je. But one this for sure, the teachers are the best of the best. Because if you’re a teacher and you’re transferred to those school, it means that the ministry recognized you as top teacher already.

And like i mentioned those top school in Kelantan, the admission criteria is all As in UPSR (there is backdoor way too if you know someone, well, this is malaysia).

And in Kelantan, Chung Hwa is SMJK.

I used to believe SJK produced good student too. Until I started working in SJK majority industry, only 10% are up to my standard, brain wise. Salary and position wise, they can up faster because their bosses pity them for being oppressed by the ketuanan melayu even they are not competent. Truth is ketuanan melayu is having minimal benefits to salaryman, financially.
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any notable top smk coming into your mind?
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if they want to hapus vernecular school, we should also agree with they hapus
PAS, MIC, MCA, UMNO. All these are also segregating the political party base on race.
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At some point people need to ask if they are malay/chinese/indian or are they Malaysian. Most people dont care about national Identity.

As for schools, there are these pro SK and SJK factions pointing finger at each other; unity vs education quality BS.
I rather these people work together to figure out what works so well in SJK and implement it nationwide.

So whats so special in SJK that makes it better?
race of the teacher?
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management?

work together and figure those out instead of beating around the bush.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 3 2020, 08:57 AM)
Yeah. Like i said, if you compare top end of SMK vs SMJK, SMK most of the time win hands down. Heavily funded? I’m not sure. Maybe the fund was songlapped. State of the art facilities? No. Biasa2 je. But one this for sure, the teachers are the best of the best. Because if you’re a teacher and you’re transferred to those school, it means that the ministry recognized you as top teacher already.

And like i mentioned those top school in Kelantan, the admission criteria is all As in UPSR (there is backdoor way too if you know someone, well, this is malaysia).

And in Kelantan, Chung Hwa is SMJK.

I used to believe SJK produced good student too. Until I started working in SJK majority industry, only 10% are up to my standard, brain wise. Salary and position wise, they can up faster because their bosses pity them for being oppressed by the ketuanan melayu even they are not competent. Truth is ketuanan melayu is having minimal benefits to salaryman, financially.
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didnt know there’s actually a SMJK because i thought vernacular is up till darjah 6.... at least for KL.. where the SRJK are all refered as SJK here.

that makes this comparison a little off because what ive been talking about are primary SRJKC schools where there’s no entry criteria yet. And students these SRJKC school produced are meant to go for those top SMK by pushing for A’s in UPSR. This strict and focused goal is what most poorer parents look for.

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QUOTE(darosha @ Jan 3 2020, 07:13 AM)
minority should follow majority
why dont want to be in same school
racist ah?
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not everything is about race la... many parents send to SJKC due to its a cheaper alternative to international school... many parents have lost hope in our public school...

i experienced first hand myself actually, still remember my primary school days... i was attending SJKC from primary 1-5... primary 6 went to public school due to that we moved to a new area... to my surprise and my public school teacher surprise... the syllabus in SJKC is far ahead compared to public school... things that they teach in primary 6 i have learned in primary 4 or 5, but just in mandarin... so throughout the year, i was assigned to tutor the weaker students in class although im a student myself... imagine this, when i was in SJKC i was always the last 5 in class, but when im in public school, im the one tutoring others...

dont be so narrow minded and racing only everyday... nowadays there are many non-chinese and even malays who enroll their kids to SJKC as well... i have many malay friends who speak fluent mandarin are so grateful that they did cause they are so on demand in the market now...
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QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jan 3 2020, 12:32 AM)
if they want to hapus vernecular school, we should also agree with they hapus
PAS, MIC, MCA, UMNO. All these are also segregating the political party base on race.
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As if the opinion of the minority matters in a democracy where numbers mean everything.
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any notable top smk coming into your mind?
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My school last time was competing at top of the table. We don’t care much about mid table team.

QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 3 2020, 09:30 AM)
didnt know there’s actually a SMJK because i thought vernacular is up till darjah 6.... at least for KL.. where the SRJK are all refered as SJK here.

that makes this comparison a little off because what ive been talking about are primary SRJKC schools where there’s no entry criteria yet. And students these SRJKC school produced are meant to go for those top SMK by pushing for A’s in UPSR. This strict and focused goal is what most poorer parents look for.
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In front of my SRK was SRJKC Peir Chih. The 2-3 years i was following the UPSR result during my time, my school always perform better. But that was an unfair comparison because you can’t compare camry to city. Should compare camry to accord. But that time i do not know which school was the accord of SRJKC in Kelantan. The competitive spirit wasn’t there until i enter secondary school.
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IGCSE.

There are a lot of learning centers nowadays in Klang Valley. She goes to such learning centers and connect to virtual classroom together with children around the world. If she wanted, she can even connect at home without going to learning centers. One thing for sure, she is very resourceful in finding information. Her school assignments are like those proposals we do at workplace. However, homsechool is not suitable for all students as it will need a lot of self discipline. Also, learning centers are operating with tuition center license as there are no proper governance yet unlike private or international schools. It is also the reason why this option is cheaper than private or international school. I think MOE is going to go after such learning/tuition centers soon.
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Wow. I was thinking of traditional homeschool, either private teacher is hired or tutored by own parents at home,and then take public exam. You know, like some western kids.

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True, a fine example of SJKC products. Now already received Millions.
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Sekolah pondok also receive more, a fine example of 60k yrs genes is you wink.gif
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 3 2020, 10:59 AM)
My school last time was competing at top of the table. We don’t care much about mid table team.
In front of my SRK was SRJKC Peir Chih. The 2-3 years i was following the UPSR result during my time, my school always perform better. But that was an unfair comparison because you can’t compare camry to city. Should compare camry to accord. But that time i do not know which school was the accord of SRJKC in Kelantan. The competitive spirit wasn’t there until i enter secondary school.
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Welp, i guess it's location... and not quite fair to compare kelantan to kl as well.

in KL, top SRJKCs are always competing among each other. while the SRJKT and SRK makan popcorn at the side. laugh.gif you go any junior competition, be it gov hosted or private, you will see waves of them participating.... to the point of hiring special coaches and stuff lel... apart from sports, special coaching includes cheer-leading, gymrama, lego robotics, school marching band etc ... and even trololol ones like cups stacking and rubics cube also they participate.


QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Jan 3 2020, 11:00 AM)
Wow. I was thinking of traditional homeschool, either private teacher is hired or tutored by own parents at home,and then take public exam.
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New trend nowadays.. especially among the well to do. It's now more like a mini international school.
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just let those srjk srk smk or wadever school to do and teach what they want as long as follow the national standards... dont lower down passing marks. and let the fittest survive.

also keep religion, and politics out of education

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Jan 3 2020, 11:17 AM)
just let those srjk srk smk or wadever school to do and teach what they want as long as follow the national standards... dont lower down passing marks. and let the fittest survive.

also keep religion, and politics out of education
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hope for this to happen very long time, but wont even we wait until 2222
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change vernacular school to teach chinese/indian languange, religion or culture only...similar to sekolah agama..

absorb all those teachers teaching main subjects from vernacular school into national school..so students morning go to national school afternoon go sekolah agama/culture...same as what the malay have been doing...

allowing vernacular schools was a mistake by the old2 government...time to fixed it and tighten our national unity...got to start with the young...the old already ego and stubborn, hard to to change their racist mind set..

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Jan 3 2020, 11:17 AM)
just let those srjk srk smk or wadever school to do and teach what they want as long as follow the national standards... dont lower down passing marks. and let the fittest survive.

also keep religion, and politics out of education
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Kerep out religion/culture/dong zong out of school also
This school breeed extremism and racism

Guess that we treat the minorities here so well here..should do the china’s uighur way
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 3 2020, 11:12 AM)
Welp, i guess it's location... and not quite fair to compare kelantan to kl as well.

in KL, top SRJKCs are always competing among each other. while the SRJKT and SRK makan popcorn at the side. laugh.gif you go any junior competition, be it gov hosted or private, you will see waves of them participating.... to the point of hiring special coaches and stuff lel... apart from sports, special coaching includes cheer-leading, gymrama, lego robotics, school marching band etc ... and even trololol ones like cups stacking and rubics cube also they participate.
New trend nowadays.. especially among the well to do. It's now more like a mini international school.
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I guess safe to say SRJKC is better in rich states where salary is good like KL, Selangor, Penang & maybe Johor. Other than that, the statement of “SRJKC produce better student” isn’t applicable.

I know the reason why. Private school.

Rich malays in those states mostly prefer to send their kids to private school or international school. So the composition of students in SK mainly kids with not so rich parents, busy looking for money to feed the family. Most of the parents don’t have time to teach their kids anything at home and end up the parents pushing all the responsibility to the teachers. And most of parents sending kids to SK have a minimum of half a dozen of kids, so the time is even limited for each kid. So they end up producing kids with lack of drive and lack of interest and lack of attention. And it reflect to the kids performance in school.

I am a busy father too. I only have 3 hours to spend with my kids on weekdays, which why i limit myself to 2 kids only. So i could spend my time more with my kids.

SK performing better in poorer states because nobody send their kids to private school. So most of top kids are in govt school. And not to mentioned parents in poorer state have more time to spend with their kids, as a result, their kids do better in school.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 3 2020, 11:12 AM)
Welp, i guess it's location... and not quite fair to compare kelantan to kl as well.

in KL, top SRJKCs are always competing among each other. while the SRJKT and SRK makan popcorn at the side. laugh.gif you go any junior competition, be it gov hosted or private, you will see waves of them participating.... to the point of hiring special coaches and stuff lel... apart from sports, special coaching includes cheer-leading, gymrama, lego robotics, school marching band etc ... and even trololol ones like cups stacking and rubics cube also they participate.
New trend nowadays.. especially among the well to do. It's now more like a mini international school.
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But, i don't wanna deprive my kids from the good old school days memory that I myself had. The one that u won't get anymore as adults.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 3 2020, 11:37 AM)
I guess safe to say SRJKC is better in rich states where salary is good like KL, Selangor, Penang & maybe Johor. Other than that, the statement of “SRJKC produce better student” isn’t applicable.

I know the reason why. Private school.

Rich malays in those states mostly prefer to send their kids to private school or international school. So the composition of students in SK mainly kids with not so rich parents, busy looking for money to feed the family. Most of the parents don’t have time to teach their kids anything at home and end up the parents pushing all the responsibility to the teachers. And most of parents sending kids to SK have a minimum of half a dozen of kids, so the time is even limited for each kid. So they end up producing kids with lack of drive and lack of interest and lack of attention. And it reflect to the kids performance in school.

I am a busy father too. I only have 3 hours to spend with my kids on weekdays, which why i limit myself to 2 kids only. So i could spend my time more with my kids.

SK performing better in poorer states because nobody send their kids to private school. So most of top kids are in govt school. And not to mentioned parents in poorer state have more time to spend with their kids, as a result, their kids do better in school.
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hmmm actually it kinda make sense now.

SRJKC in rich states do kinda behave like a private school... because it is not as closely monitored by the gov and they have some form of autonomy as they are actually run by the PIBG.

almost all would teach additional syllabus (mostly from SG) on top of the standard syllabus afterschool... keeping the kids in school till 4pm for morning session and the kids from afternoon session have to come to school at 8am for the extra classes. this was actually the practice since even from my time.

Busy parents especially those working class will like this system. because it aligns well with their working hours and that they can just leave their kids in school the whole day... like a cheap daycare... deswai more and more malays especially in KL can speak mandarin now laugh.gif

I guess this played a role at setting the bar really high for SRJKC in the cities. Meanwhile SRJKC in kampung... i suppose there's no advantage and infact are slower than SRKs because the kids are burdened by learning an extra language following the same time table as SRKs

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Wow. I was thinking of traditional homeschool, either private teacher is hired or tutored by own parents at home,and then take public exam. You know, like some western kids.
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I am part of FB group on homeschooling and you'll be surprised that there are mothers who quit their jobs just to homeschool their kids. However, it will only work for primary school. Once their children reach secondary school age, the subjects are more complicated and most parents will not be able to do it alone without help from external parties.
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QUOTE(ahpoo @ Jan 3 2020, 11:24 AM)
change vernacular school to teach chinese/indian languange, religion or culture only...similar to sekolah agama..

absorb all those teachers teaching main subjects from vernacular school into national school..so students morning go to national school afternoon go sekolah agama/culture...same as what the malay have been doing...

allowing vernacular schools was a mistake by the old2 government...time to fixed it and tighten our national unity...got to start with the young...the old already ego and stubborn, hard to to change their racist mind set..
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religious schools are even worse than vernacular schools.
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QUOTE(ahpoo @ Jan 3 2020, 11:24 AM)
change vernacular school to teach chinese/indian languange, religion or culture only...similar to sekolah agama..


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vernacular school do not teach religion and culture.vernacular school only teaches exact same syllabus as those in sk but in diff languages.vernacular school has longer school hours too for learning bahasa.


QUOTE(ahpoo @ Jan 3 2020, 11:24 AM)

absorb all those teachers teaching main subjects from vernacular school into national school..so students morning go to national school afternoon go sekolah agama/culture...same as what the malay have been doing...

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typical racist kiasu xenophobic

you absorb those teacher from vernacular school to sk, ending up with same badly manage system in sk?

it will be the same.....

there is a farking similar traits of high performing sk and sjk.....they are all kiasu for education

QUOTE(ahpoo @ Jan 3 2020, 11:24 AM)

allowing vernacular schools was a mistake by the old2 government...time to fixed it and tighten our national unity...got to start with the young...the old already ego and stubborn, hard to to change their racist mind set..
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how was it a mistake?vernacular school existed when NON MALAY was 53% of the population(where the chinese community was 40% of the population).


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QUOTE(ahpoo @ Jan 3 2020, 11:24 AM)
change vernacular school to teach chinese/indian languange, religion or culture only...similar to sekolah agama..

absorb all those teachers teaching main subjects from vernacular school into national school..so students morning go to national school afternoon go sekolah agama/culture...same as what the malay have been doing...

allowing vernacular schools was a mistake by the old2 government...time to fixed it and tighten our national unity...got to start with the young...the old already ego and stubborn, hard to to change their racist mind set..
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the old gov actually made English the teaching medium regardless of national/vernacular school for brief 10 years... BM compulsory while chinese and indian language became additional...... people started to see some hope in our education standards.... aaaaaaaand then they reverted everything back to where it was. trolololol
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QUOTE(gsem984 @ Jan 1 2020, 09:58 PM)
Of course no matter how you argue with these people, even eventually you make them speechless in the end, they would still flash their final weapon: Ni bumi milik siape? U tak suka u keluar!

Still, I want to rant, as my 1st rant in this new year.

I am not a product of SRJK but I am 100% to support them. They are the identity of Chinese and Indian citizens in this country. And with each Malay, Chinese and Indian has their own identity and living harmony in this country is always what we are proud of. If you take away the SRJK, you take away the identity of Chinese and Indian, and Malaysia will never be the same anymore.

SRJK is never the cause of racial problem in this country. If this is valid, I also can say Sekolah Agama, bumi right, 15% discount for bumilot, quota system, and many others are the reason too for racial problem. If want to take away SRJK, then take away all. No more quota system, no more special right, no more reservation for muslim and bumi. Fair?

But too bad, equality is always a sin in this country, even in 2020. We just have to live in diversity and inequality, but harmoniously. I am from international school since young. Susan from SRJK©, Siva from SRJK(T) and Khadijah is from Sekolah kebangsaan. We live and work together and love each other everyday. This proves the education background is not a problem to race differences.

Happy new year!

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I feel it has nothing to do with identity, inequality or bumi ni milik siapa etc, it's just that kids who go to this type of school have never mixed with other races since they were born, now is this a good or bad thing to begin with?

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Yang baik, simpan untuk UiTM and Mara, let them convert their subjects all to Jawi! Baru the Chinese & Indian parents see your Jawi people up!

Inb4, never mind my company still emplpy Chinese speakers 1st! Jawi nuh!

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if wanna hapus srjkc we should do the same to religion school
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QUOTE(crazee @ Jan 3 2020, 11:32 AM)
Kerep out religion/culture/dong zong out of school also
This school breeed extremism and racism

Guess that we treat the minorities here so well here..should do the china’s uighur way
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Please do so, everyday tokok so much, mandi dara this and that, but till now no action.

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QUOTE(mango27 @ Jan 3 2020, 10:32 AM)
not everything is about race la... many parents send to SJKC due to its a cheaper alternative to international school... many parents have lost hope in our public school...

i experienced first hand myself actually, still remember my primary school days... i was attending SJKC from primary 1-5... primary 6 went to public school due to that we moved to a new area... to my surprise and my public school teacher surprise... the syllabus in SJKC is far ahead compared to public school... things that they teach in primary 6 i have learned in primary 4 or 5, but just in mandarin... so throughout the year, i was assigned to tutor the weaker students in class although im a student myself... imagine this, when i was in SJKC i was always the last 5 in class, but when im in public school, im the one tutoring others...

dont be so narrow minded and racing only everyday... nowadays there are many non-chinese and even malays who enroll their kids to SJKC as well... i have many malay friends who speak fluent mandarin are so grateful that they did cause they are so on demand in the market now...
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if sjkc syllabus is that good
why not do one aliran in that syllabus
no right you dont want to mix
you still support segregation according to race and language
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QUOTE(darosha @ Jan 3 2020, 03:58 PM)
if sjkc syllabus is that good
why not do one aliran in that syllabus
no right you dont want to mix
you still support segregation according to race and language
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Is the mentality which push the srjk so excel. Many people stilk dont understand especially how non bumis see educations. There is never been races or religion, thise can afford already send to privatw or i ternational school. Is just matter if quality people looking at.
Govt should study why parents so prefer srjk school. Not just blindly make a conclusion.
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QUOTE(smwah @ Jan 3 2020, 04:14 PM)
Is the mentality which push the srjk so excel. Many people stilk dont understand especially how non bumis see educations. There is never been races or religion, thise can afford already send to privatw or i ternational school. Is just matter if quality people looking at.
Govt should study why parents so prefer srjk school. Not just blindly make a conclusion.
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They don’t care.

All they wanted is red sofa unity, even at the cost of the youngsters’ future.
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QUOTE(darosha @ Jan 3 2020, 03:58 PM)
if sjkc syllabus is that good
why not do one aliran in that syllabus
no right you dont want to mix
you still support segregation according to race and language
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That is why I say we should just binasakan those single race schools like asrama penuh, MRSM, and UiTM.

Single race school, use all taxpayer's money, tapi tak menyokong perpaduan dan mengeratkan hubungan antara kaum pulak, sekolah-sekolah tu?

Oh, and wipe out the matriculation and quota system as well for public unis. Sistem macam tu mana mendorong hubungan dan semangat perpaduan antara kaum ni?

Oh wait, you don't us to touch your special rights? Fvck off and touch our special rights then as well wink.gif
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 3 2020, 04:15 PM)
That is why I say we should just binasakan those single race schools like asrama penuh, MRSM, and UiTM.

Single race school, use all taxpayer's money, tapi tak menyokong perpaduan dan mengeratkan hubungan antara kaum pulak, sekolah-sekolah tu?

Oh, and wipe out the matriculation and quota system as well for public unis. Sistem macam tu mana mendorong hubungan dan semangat perpaduan antara kaum ni?

Oh wait, you don't us to touch your special rights? Fvck off and touch our special rights then as well wink.gif
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these mara institutions are the only thing helping to give fairer chances to majority because more majority needed it
again like ive said, if you have 2 wives 1 fat and 1 thin, to be fair when buying them fabric, you need to give more to the fat one to be fair
just because less number of minority in normal uni, percentage are higher as their percentage and quota increased
while there's less percentage of majority in normal uni, that's why these mara institutions is needed
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SRJK should be abolished.
from a chinese here
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QUOTE(darosha @ Jan 3 2020, 05:09 PM)
these mara institutions are the only thing helping to give fairer chances to majority because more majority needed it
again like ive said, if you have 2 wives 1 fat and 1 thin, to be fair when buying them fabric, you need to give more to the fat one to be fair
just because less number of minority in normal uni, percentage are higher as their percentage and quota increased
while there's less percentage of majority in normal uni, that's why these mara institutions is needed
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I don't really mind the MARA institutions being around. Their original purpose - to offer education opportunities to the poor - that is a noble cause.

What annoys the heck out of me is that they are single race based.

What double annoys me is that Malays then complain that vernacular schools discriminate based on race and do not help with building unity among Malaysians.

Like seriously???? People can say that kind of shit with a straight face?

And then some folks wonder why there are so many of us complaining about the sub-par standard of education in Malaysia (when compared to the world class ones lar, of course... not compared to most ASEAN countries...).
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QUOTE(darosha @ Jan 3 2020, 03:58 PM)
if sjkc syllabus is that good
why not do one aliran in that syllabus
no right you dont want to mix
you still support segregation according to race and language
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yes, thats the thing, u need to know the cause and fix the issue... not just ask to abolish SJKC without providing an alternative... SJKC provides the flexibility to teach in different syllabus/methods, rather than public school which rigidly follow MOE orders, which fluctuate and backtrack in teaching through english medium... just fix the quality of public school education and you will see ppl flocking back to public school...

joining SJKC doesnt mean supporting segregation, just want better quality on education... dont simply put words into others mouth... my closet friends in primary schools are non-chinese btw... its ironic that politician from race based party are blaming SJKC for segregation...
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QUOTE(darosha @ Jan 3 2020, 05:09 PM)
these mara institutions are the only thing helping to give fairer chances to majority because more majority needed it
again like ive said, if you have 2 wives 1 fat and 1 thin, to be fair when buying them fabric, you need to give more to the fat one to be fair
just because less number of minority in normal uni, percentage are higher as their percentage and quota increased
while there's less percentage of majority in normal uni, that's why these mara institutions is needed
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if you want it to be fair it should be need based and not race based... in your example, fat wife need more fabric, thus give more based on need, so this is need base... but if race based, just because your wive is a particular race, you give extra fabric no matter fat or thin... then what is the fairness in it...
so basically quota is just enabling the underserving to receive more, at the expense of those who deserve...
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everyday also got Race and Religion topics. Bosan lah, just work together for the betterment of Malaysia please
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sembang kencang , just hapus lar.. srjk is untouchable .. kekek.. takpe, /k is your ranting space since irl you are meek like mouse
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QUOTE(lolbuddy @ Jan 3 2020, 12:33 PM)
vernacular school do not teach religion and culture.vernacular school only teaches exact same syllabus as those in sk but in diff languages.vernacular school has longer school hours too for learning bahasa.
typical racist kiasu xenophobic

you absorb those teacher from vernacular school to sk, ending up with same badly manage system in sk?

it will be the same.....

there is a farking similar traits of high performing sk and sjk.....they are all kiasu for education
how was it a mistake?vernacular school existed when NON MALAY was 53% of the population(where the chinese community was 40% of the population).
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this is a perfect example of a SJKC's product...rasict, ego, tunnel vision and cant think outside box..most probably cant speak notional languange properly..
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I always find this kind of syok sendiri statement amusing. laugh.gif

But yeah i came from elite public school, so of course i find that such statement amusing laugh.gif
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Might be true, so in other word the nons who enrol to vernacular schools wanted to be dungu why not let them be? the malays should be syukur cause every year sjk is breeding more stupids less threat to the malays in the future. Isn't that great?
If wanted to be a single school why not we follow international school system so nobody can complain the national school is too kemelayuan or kecinaan or keindiaan everybody is fair and abolish quota system to higher learning institution. All apply base on merit system. Education should never be use as a race tool.

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make all same as srjkc


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abolishing vernacular schools is what lee kuan yew did after seperating singapore from malaysia and see where they are now...
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QUOTE(eksk @ Jan 3 2020, 05:48 PM)
sembang kencang , just hapus lar..  srjk is untouchable .. kekek.. takpe, /k is your ranting space since irl you are meek like mouse
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In real life, most nons are quite benevolent to weaker people. If you are the type that need tongkat to get through life, of course we will view you with pity, sympathy and sorrow smile.gif

QUOTE(akagidemon @ Jan 4 2020, 12:19 AM)
abolishing vernacular schools is what lee kuan yew did after seperating singapore from malaysia and see where they are now...
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True. Very true.

More importantly, he smashed up all the bumiputera rights stuff in Singapore. Singapore Malays get treated the same as the rest of them, that's why they are far more successful, on the whole, than Malaysian Malays today smile.gif
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 4 2020, 12:45 AM)
In real life, most nons are quite benevolent to weaker people. If you are the type that need tongkat to get through life, of course we will view you with pity, sympathy and sorrow smile.gif
True. Very true.

More importantly, he smashed up all the bumiputera rights stuff in Singapore. Singapore Malays get treated the same as the rest of them, that's why they are far more successful, on the whole, than Malaysian Malays today smile.gif
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the real problem in malaysia and this is not some fanatic talking but the real problem in malaysia is that the ruling party is not practicing Islam properly. they shout out loud we are muslims, we are defending the rights of the muslim malay majority but in reality there are just using islam as a pony for their own gains.

if the leaders and im talking from all parties except the chinese and indian parties practise the real teaching of Islam, malaysia can be so much more then it is now.

we dont have major natural disasters, we have an abundance of natural resources but why are we are right now?

personal gains. from the top to the very bottom.

got people say Islam dalam ic only and i tend to agree.
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QUOTE(akagidemon @ Jan 4 2020, 01:39 AM)
the real problem in malaysia and this is not some fanatic talking but the real problem in malaysia is that the ruling party is not practicing Islam properly. they shout out loud we are muslims, we are defending the rights of the muslim malay majority but in reality there are just using islam as a pony for their own gains.

if the leaders and im talking from all parties except the chinese and indian parties practise the real teaching of Islam, malaysia can be so much more then it is now.

we dont have major natural disasters, we have an abundance of natural resources but why are we are right now?

personal gains. from the top to the very bottom.

got people say Islam dalam ic only and i tend to agree.
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If every Malaysian practised his or her religion properly, and if every Malaysian atheist observed just basic etiquette and common sense, Malaysia doesn't even have to be a developed country, but it will just be a really lovely place to live in.

But oh well *shrug*
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abolishing vernacular schools is what lee kuan yew did after seperating singapore from malaysia and see where they are now...
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Eh ppl main language English can be used widely

So now where BM can take u to?

Brng brng at kesas ldp ah


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No need to argue with idiots.

Why more and more malays sending their child to SJKC?

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...of-malay-pupils

Cukup la all these politics and racism. God will judge us all.
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QUOTE(darosha @ Jan 3 2020, 03:58 PM)
if sjkc syllabus is that good
why not do one aliran in that syllabus
no right you dont want to mix
you still support segregation according to race and language
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For myself as a chinese, i just want to preserve the mother tongue of my culture, there's nothing wrong with that in this multiracial country.
Given that there's opportunity to speak/talk/learn Chinese, why not sending my child to SJK?
People still dont understand why SJK are necessary in Malaysia
We were given rights to learn multi-languages by the constitution
and because of this uniqueness, there's no other country like us have 3aliran education.

Yes you can say satu aliran are better, look at the Singapore, they have so advance education and thinking
but take a look at Indo, they practice satu aliran but what happen to them?

It's not about the language you learn, it's about what mindset you teach in school.
Multi-aliran education is something you should proud of in Malaysia.
Support SJK / Multi-aliran are not racist.
I would advise please jail/can those radical joke/troll/flaming on the kid's future.
I dont care what race are you or you send your kids to what school.
Just dun draw the line, dont be selfish and a fool to yourself.

And last, better close this terek because it was tilt to racing topic instead of education discussion.
/k Bodo as always, tak da otak/level to discuss any topics.





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QUOTE(incubus69 @ Jan 3 2020, 05:11 PM)
SRJK should be abolished.
from a chinese here
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Who are you?
You dont represent all Chinese.
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SJK will never possibly close down in our lifetime.
They are build strong with the fundamental of Malaysia's constitution.
Once it happen, Malaysian will riot worse than HK.

Whatever international/boarding/sjk school you sent your kids to are your choice
you just can't force people to close beef or pork restaurant because you can't eat beef or pork, you go to other restaurant to eat.
what kind of level sorcerer you need to understand this mindset?

Move on la.



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If single stream school is good why not. Take a look to our southen neighbour. You can complete your spm in 4 years if you are good enough.
Even if govt chamve single stream and remain its current quality, ppl will opt for privage at the end.
The cycle will repeat again.
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wow. this TS must be a dong zong terrorist. hardcore anti-government terrorist body who always care about communism, culture shit and old man thinking.

I hope the government start putting down hard on the dung zong. this ideology is just as bad as the curry buns.

u look at the dung zong people, i even saw a smoker. this kind of people are the kind who will bomb and do terrorism one day just because we dont folow their demands. be very careful man
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think twice before you attacking dong zhong.. dap... or communist


i have been bannes 3 times... first time for critcizing dap... 2nd time for communist and 3rd time for dong zhong
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They are tip-top for sure, but they sacrifice a lot also.
How many of them can speak fluent chinese/malay/tamil?
The roots of the their culture are vanishing.

You want to be excel you need to be like Singapore, you need leave everything behind, which i think Malaysian will not prepare for anything like this.

I think primary and secondary issue are nothing to me.
Colleges & Universities has bigger problems.
People can't get quality education, and they weight monies more than schooling purpose. Universities in Malaysia need a major revamp.
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sjkc will die natural death sooner or later


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QUOTE(lilostitch @ Jan 4 2020, 03:30 AM)
think twice before you attacking dong zhong.. dap... or communist
i have been bannes 3 times... first time for critcizing dap... 2nd time for communist and 3rd time for dong zhong
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Bodo, you get banned not because of Dong Zhong, maybe is you talk cock without using brain?
Please go to bed, you are delusional. Please comment properly when u wake up tomorrow morning.

And remember please dont spread hate.
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Bodo, you get banned not because of Dong Zhong, maybe is you talk cock without using brain?
Please go to bed, you are delusional. Please comment properly when u wake up tomorrow morning.

And remember please dont spread hate.
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yalah.. we know we know.. cant touch dong zhong dap etc etc in this forum

okay.. lets back to our everyday rant about tongkat people... islam extremist... etc etc
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QUOTE(sky2006 @ Jan 3 2020, 12:52 PM)
I feel it has nothing to do with identity, inequality or bumi ni milik siapa etc, it's just that kids who go to this type of school have never mixed with other races since they were born, now is this a good or bad thing to begin with?
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There are 6 Malays in my son's class in SRJK...

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It's not the problem of Malay/Indian/Chinese kids going to SRJK to prove that SRJK are important...but when you make co-currriculum activities among them and separate it into their choices team, most of it will try to assimilate among with their own nature tongue and preferences. I believe these private institutional come as educational facilities only but won't solve as unity entity.


That is one thing to say..I'm not covered yet about area demographic for SRJK school
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how to integrate in national schools when agama class is the third most time spent?

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Before he went on his trip to Japan, the 93-year-old PM Mahathir, upon studying the school timetable, expressed his displeasure that too much time was allocated for religious studies. The subject came third in terms of time spent after Bahasa Malaysia and English. Mahathir was particularly frustrated that despite ample time given to religious studies, indiscipline and low ethics remain rampant.


baik panggil sekolah agama jer

http://www.financetwitter.com/2020/01/you-...ut-himself.html
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how to abolish? u thought can force so many ppl into islam?

saying abolish is just a way for lanjiao ppl to pee on other ppl. nothing personal just to show he is the boss attitude. although after he died actually most things probably can recover and getting better
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QUOTE(ykj @ Jan 4 2020, 02:14 AM)
No need to argue with idiots.

Why more and more malays sending their child to SJKC?

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...of-malay-pupils

Cukup la all these politics and racism. God will judge us all.
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That's PRECISELY the very point ain't it, that they are calling for vernacular schools to be abolished. Imagine with more and more Malay students enrolling with SJKC and getting smarter, it would be impossible to control them in the future and the data speaks for itself. There would be no issue, if there weren't any Malay enrollment with SJKC or the enrollment figures were falling but bloody hell it's increasing ! There are bound to be ramifications, wouldn't you think so ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jan 4 2020, 08:16 AM)
That's PRECISELY the very point ain't it, that they are calling for vernacular schools to be abolished. Imagine with more and more Malay students enrolling with SJKC and getting smarter, it would be impossible to control them in the future and the data speaks for itself. There would be no issue, if there weren't any Malay enrollment with SJKC or the enrollment figures were falling but bloody hell it's increasing ! There are bound to be ramifications, wouldn't you think so ?
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the irony is, with more Malay enrollment each year, it is achieving the 'unity' those people calling for its abolishment are after.
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Non cainis & non indian who send their kids 2 sjkc/sjkt shud voice out & tell those fools to shutup.
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QUOTE(smwah @ Jan 4 2020, 03:20 AM)
If single stream school is good why not. Take a look to our southen neighbour. You can complete your spm in 4 years if you are good enough.
Even if govt chamve single stream and remain its current quality, ppl will opt for privage at the end.
The cycle will repeat again.
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Go further south and you'll see a totally different situation.
It's not single stream or vernacular that is the problem,it's the mindset and quality of education.

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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Jan 4 2020, 08:24 AM)
the irony is, with more Malay enrollment each year, it is achieving the 'unity' those people calling for its abolishment are after.
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I think it is pre-emptive to make it "sound" like there is some unity going on, however the data still shows it's contrary. I think that the Malays are indeed getting smarter and they want the best for their children and the way to go is to SJKC. I am all for Malays who wants to learn, heck for everyone who wants to learn, which is for the common good of everyone but we cannot dismiss the fact that there are some who wishes otherwise.

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jan 4 2020, 08:33 AM)
Non cainis & non indian who send their kids 2 sjkc/sjkt shud voice out & tell those fools to shutup.
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Breeding place for racists as there is minimal mingling with other races. When enter universities also keeping the same company until in classes can see very clearly the division.

Does maintaining a race identity also includes excluding interaction with other races?

I support one aliran where every children are forced to interact with one another. Languages like Mandarin, Tamil and Arabic are given as options to be learned there. So there is absolutely no problem with loss of ability to speak in the said language.

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2020...school probs not yet resolved

How to progress?

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 4 2020, 08:39 AM)
Breeding place for racists as there is minimal mingling with other races. When enter universities also keeping the same company until in classes can see very clearly the division.

Does maintaining a race identity also includes excluding interaction with other races?

I support one aliran where every children are forced to interact with one another. Languages like Mandarin, Tamil and Arabic are given as options to be learned there. So there is absolutely no problem with loss of ability to speak in the said language.
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Breeding place for racists as there is minimal mingling with other races. When enter universities also keeping the same company until in classes can see very clearly the division.

Does maintaining a race identity also includes excluding interaction with other races?

I support one aliran where every children are forced to interact with one another. Languages like Mandarin, Tamil and Arabic are given as options to be learned there. So there is absolutely no problem with loss of ability to speak in the said language.
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Ironically it is actually easier to mingle with another race in SJK nowadays as non-Malay rarely send their children to SK.
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Ironically it is actually easier to mingle with another race in SJK nowadays as non-Malay rarely send their children to SK.
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Ironically it is actually easier to mingle with another race in SJK nowadays as non-Malay rarely send their children to SK.
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Of course as SK are now operating as agama schools in disguise, SJK is the only place where the races mixes.

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Vernacular schools welcome all the students from different races, meanwhile UITM and Mara only accept students from certain race, otherwise their maruah could be challenged or insulted

And yet those stupid racists only protest to abolish the vernacular schools somehow, you can see how farking hypocritical for those racists
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Vernacular schools welcome all the students from different races, meanwhile UITM and Mara only accept students from certain race, otherwise their maruah could be challenged or insulted

And yet those stupid racists only protest to abolish the vernacular schools somehow, you can see how farking hypocritical for those racists
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Maybe it is time for all intelligent individuals to stand and start calling for the abolishment of such schools instead even including Christian Missionary Schools that has been operating like agama schools for donkey years. Wait why the hell should the intelligent get involved anyway ? This is the government's job. Fixed this shit or there's the door.
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Might be true, so in other word the nons who enrol to vernacular schools wanted to be dungu why not let them be? the malays should be syukur cause every year sjk is breeding more stupids less threat to the malays in the future. Isn't that great?
If wanted to be a single school why not we follow international school system so nobody can complain the national school is too kemelayuan or kecinaan or keindiaan everybody is fair and abolish quota system to higher learning institution. All apply base on merit system. Education should never be use as a race tool.
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It’s not about producing smart student or not. If you’re born smart, no matter which school you’re born, you will remain smart.

For me having many separate school system is a cause of racism. I am not just talking about only vernacular school, all kind of sekolah agama also to be blamed. Vernacular school and sekolah agama should be fully privatized and cut from government’s funding. Any school wishes to remain funded by the govt should subscribe to the streamlined syllabus.

And to make things simple, just go back to our penjajah and borrow their education system and syllabus and implement it here. Afterall IGCSE have a much much easier syllabus compared to what we have now. O-level will be a piece of cake for average student in Malaysia. It’s not like we are not used to copying, most “malaysian standards” are 90% copied from “british standards”.

And at higher education level also, everything should be revamp. Anything MARA related should be open up to everyone, based on merit, but financial merit should have more weight, which means kids of B40 regardless of race should be the priority. And also streamline all post SPM education, either everyone go to matriculation or everyone go to STPM. No multiple confusing system. But some university’s foundation course can remain provided the course is tailored to the degree course that the specific student will read later. Otherwise, general foundation courses should be scrap and everyone goes to general post SPM courses.

TLDR: remove everything R&R based. Streamline everything.
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This tered still alive?

Abolish everything la. Vernacular, religious, all. Single-stream school for all, English teaching medium for STEM subjects and the rest in Malay. Compulsory beginner Mandarin and Tamil and elective for more advanced level. Ban private schools except for non-PR immigrants.

Done.
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Yeap. Open up everything I say!

However it must start from the beginning. The primary school.
I remembered when my first born went to primary school in the UK. How excited she was telling me there are so many different people in the world with different skin, different languages, different background learning together, playing together.

It's very refreshing to hear such an innocent view of things from. A 4 year old then...

Children are never racist to begin with, what culture them into one is the surrounding, the upbringing (especially things that parents and friends told them) and the lack of opportunity to meet and understand others from the young age.

While the argument is that SJK is open for all races, it remains the fact that the majority of the particular race will send their kids there.

My eldest is now standard 5 and in her class in SK There's a good mixture of Malay and Indians, Sikh and even Sarawak Bumi but with only 2 Chinese. That's an imbalance if I ever see one.

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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 4 2020, 09:13 AM)
This tered still alive?

Abolish everything la. Vernacular, religious, all. Single-stream school for all, English teaching medium for STEM subjects and the rest in Malay. Compulsory beginner Mandarin and Tamil and elective for more advanced level. Ban private schools except for non-PR immigrants.

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Beats me why some ppl still thinks mixing everyone in the same school and magically, somehow, we will achieve unity. Makan in toilet during puasa, separate cups for muslim children and nons, and to a certain extend closing the whole canteen during puasa (non muslims no need to eat also during puasa is it? This never happened during my time in sk), all these happens in vernacular school is it? Look at those jamal red shirts, look at those shouting bossku, look at those shouting racial hates and threats in social media, they all also coming from vernacular school is it?

Its not the school, its the system, idiots doh.gif

And for all the supposedly superior single stream school etc etc. I have asked this question many times yet have never received any answer:

Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools? Can anybody answer this?

Give a superior quality of education and you don't even need to abolish vernacular schools, they will die off by themselves from low enrollment. In the 70s-80s, vernacular schools almost died off because national schools were perceived to be equal or even slightly superior than vernacular schools. Today, how many national schools can you honestly say is genuinely superior than vernacular schools?

You force ppl away from national schools with low education quality, religion (mahathir himself says national schools are like sekolah agama now) and racism. Instead of fixing this to attract ppl back, lets do a short cut, abolish the vernacular schools so everybody have no choice but can only go to 1 national schools. Lets call it unity doh.gif
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 4 2020, 08:39 AM)
Breeding place for racists as there is minimal mingling with other races. When enter universities also keeping the same company until in classes can see very clearly the division.

Does maintaining a race identity also includes excluding interaction with other races?

I support one aliran where every children are forced to interact with one another. Languages like Mandarin, Tamil and Arabic are given as options to be learned there. So there is absolutely no problem with loss of ability to speak in the said language.
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 4 2020, 09:18 AM)
Yeap. Open up everything I say!

However it must start from the beginning. The primary school.
I remembered when my first born went to primary school in the UK. How excited she was telling me there are so many different people in the world with different skin, different languages, different background learning together, playing together.

It's very refreshing to hear such an innocent view of things from. A 4 year old then...

Children are never racist to begin with, what culture them into one is the surrounding, the upbringing (especially things that parents and friends told them) and the lack of opportunity to meet and understand others from the young age.

While the argument is that SJK is open for all races, it remains the fact that the majority of the particular race will send their kids there.

My eldest is now standard 5 and in her class in SK There's a good mixture of Malay and Indians, Sikh and even Sarawak Bumi but with only 2 Chinese. That's an imbalance if I ever see one.
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My kids primary school I'd say majority are malays and indians. Few chinese except in PPKI. This is in a town with equal proportion of malay, indian and chinese and dll tak termasuk indo, bangka dan myarmar (serta vietmoi).
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These syok sendiri people always speak so high about themselves. Spouting fact from their arse. If sjk so dam good, give me facts and figures la on their achievement. Bragging a lot malays go into sjk , while it's less than 10%? 5%? Can't even speak bahasa properly. Ask the Malay why would they send their child to sjk. I for one would consider sending to sjk is to learn the language. Not because sjk is better than sk. Once sk can have Mandarin class in sk, there is no need to send to sjk anymore

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QUOTE(sle7in @ Jan 4 2020, 12:58 PM)
These syok sendiri people always speak so high about themselves. Spouting fact from their arse. If sjk so dam good, give me facts and figures la on their achievement.  Bragging a lot malays go into sjk , while it's less than 10%? 5%? Can't even speak bahasa properly. Ask the Malay why would they send their child to sjk. I for one would consider sending to sjk is to learn the language. Not because sjk is better than sk. Once sk can have Mandarin class in sk, there is no need to send to sjk anymore
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Typical SJK student cannot speak Malay punya mindset.
Go to school and test the students first before you say this.
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can anyone pass any research or statistics that prove vernacular teaching is better that national system?

for research purposes.
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can anyone pass any research or statistics that prove vernacular teaching is better that national system?

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what does international school promotes ?
diversity . common language : english .
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See, Forbes Malaysia Top10 Richest!
Advantage of another languages, is an advantage in securing job!

#Enough said!
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Hmm.

I do not think Robert Kuok studied in a vernacular school.

A few in the list actually went to study in English school.




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QUOTE(SapuraM @ Jan 4 2020, 04:19 PM)
See, Forbes Malaysia Top10 Richest!
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Not sure what point you're making. It seems most of them went to an english ed school.

In fact i went to the same school as one of their children, so i can definitely say that at least one of them continue to send their kids to their old alma mater.
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See, Forbes Malaysia Top10 Richest!
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i have no doubt that learning extra language do give benefits to the student. not only chinese, other language too. question is, apart from language, what are the good things that SJK can offer compared to the national SK? where is the proof?
and like others said, the guys listed there mostly go to english ed school.
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Yeap. Open up everything I say!

While the argument is that SJK is open for all races, it remains the fact that the majority of the particular race will send their kids there.

My eldest is now standard 5 and in her class in SK There's a good mixture of Malay and Indians, Sikh and even Sarawak Bumi but with only 2 Chinese. That's an imbalance if I ever see one.
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You should send your children to an asrama penuh, an MRSM, one of the SBPs or UiTM and tell us the composition of the races in there, LOL!
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in order to make it fair to every citizen and this includes make everyone to have same intelligence, the best way according to some is to make everyone as smart or stupid as everyone else.....

but some people are more equal or fairer than others....
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MOE can easily do this analysis along with students' performance end of the day. Tapi beranikah buat?
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MOE can easily do this analysis along with students' performance end of the day. Tapi beranikah buat?
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Then how come many people have the perception that vernacular school is better?

There must be something that support the views, since many here really believes in it.

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Then how come many people have the perception that vernacular school is better?

There must be something that support the views, since many here really believes in it.
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if you like national then go national school la
tak kan i tak suka makan lembu, can i petition to shutting down all the restaurant you guys eating?
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There is never a discussion about which school are better.
The original statement from Asri are vernacular school are segregate the harmony living in Malaysia
to me your statement has more toxic than his speech
Asri are bodo enough, you are way more bodo
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if you like national then go national school la
tak kan i tak suka makan lembu, can i petition to shutting down all the restaurant you guys eating?
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There is never a discussion about which school are better.
The original statement from Asri are vernacular school are segregate the harmony living in Malaysia
to me your statement has more toxic than his speech
Asri are bodo enough, you are way more bodo
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Read the thread la abang.

Many well received comments here declared that the main solution to rectify the issue is for SK quality to reach the level of SJKC first, to entice the Chinese (and Indians) to join the SK.

Then when SK standard becomes higher as in SJKC level high, the Chinese and Indian will be willingly send their children to SK for study.

All I am asking is some sort of proof to backup that assumptions or perception.

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Then how come many people have the perception that vernacular school is better?

There must be something that support the views, since many here really believes in it.
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Perception?

How about why people send kids to international schools? There are not any solid statistics or prove either.
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QUOTE(mantoto @ Jan 4 2020, 06:34 PM)
Read the thread la abang.

Many well received comments here declared that the main solution to rectify the issue is for SK quality to reach the level of SJKC first, to entice the Chinese (and Indians) to join the SK.

Then when SK standard becomes higher as in SJKC level high, the Chinese and Indian will be willingly send their children to SK for study.

All I am asking is some sort of proof to backup that assumptions or perception.
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I take back my words.

Education are always a complicated issue

what you guys talked about in 18pages are indirectly non-related to TS saying
This thread will appear at first is because Asri said something want to abolish SJK.
There's nothing about the quality of education from the statement.
He purely made a racism bash on these system which i think he is more trash in every way.

Tanah Melayu, abolish SJK, balik tongsan
This kind of people should jail and can in hundred ways.
Hate speech would only provoke tension rather than a structure discussion.

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You are not going to be able to get any data from the English or Malay sources in the country. There is an unofficial policy of not giving publicity to Chinese schools, or their academic achievements. If you want to know deeper, you have to read the Chinese press. With my half-past-six Chinese, I cannot do any research from that angle; maybe someone fluent in Chinese can check out some figures or two.

One example

Example Two

Example Three

Example Four

Anyway, as someone who is a relative to two Chung Hwa teachers, I can confidently state that Chung Hwa and Kuan Cheng produce many straight A students in UEC and SPM examinations. Of course, they do not receive any publicity from the national press; precedence is given to emphasizing the achievements of the MRSM, asrama penuh and SBP students. But that's OK, because as can be seen in example four above, vernacular school graduates are able to move on to other countries to continue their education, find meaningful employment and help make those countries great / great again smile.gif

Because there are no racial quotas inside vernacular schools, unlike our SBPs, MRSMs, asrama penuhs and UiTM, vernacular schools are the standard bearer for unity of the races behind the provision of quality education. The only thing vernacular schools need to do now is ensure that their graduates are fluent in three languages, and that they (the schools) update their teaching methods for the 21st century.

Kuatkanlah sistem sekolah vernakular!!!
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You are not going to be able to get any data from the English or Malay sources in the country. There is an unofficial policy of not giving publicity to Chinese schools, or their academic achievements. If you want to know deeper, you have to read the Chinese press. With my half-past-six Chinese, I cannot do any research from that angle; maybe someone fluent in Chinese can check out some figures or two.

One example

Example Two

Example Three

Example Four

Anyway, as someone who is a relative to two Chung Hwa teachers, I can confidently state that Chung Hwa and Kuan Cheng produce many straight A students in UEC and SPM examinations. Of course, they do not receive any publicity from the national press; precedence is given to emphasizing the achievements of the MRSM, asrama penuh and SBP students. But that's OK, because as can be seen in example four above, vernacular school graduates are able to move on to other countries to continue their education, find meaningful employment and help make those countries great / great again smile.gif

Because there are no racial quotas inside vernacular schools, unlike our SBPs, MRSMs, asrama penuhs and UiTM, vernacular schools are the standard bearer for unity of the races behind the provision of quality education. The only thing vernacular schools need to do now is ensure that their graduates are fluent in three languages, and that they (the schools) update their teaching methods for the 21st century.

Kuatkanlah sistem sekolah vernakular!!!
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The one they asked for comparison are the SRJK and smjk. Which are semi autonomous and semi funded by gomen and also follow syllabus set by MOE. Those schools with uec as per you examples are fully private schools. These dong zong organized school don't recognized those who went to SRJK and smjk as Chinese educated as what one ktard claimed in another tered.
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QUOTE(mantoto @ Jan 4 2020, 06:34 PM)
Read the thread la abang.

Many well received comments here declared that the main solution to rectify the issue is for SK quality to reach the level of SJKC first, to entice the Chinese (and Indians) to join the SK.

Then when SK standard becomes higher as in SJKC level high, the Chinese and Indian will be willingly send their children to SK for study.

All I am asking is some sort of proof to backup that assumptions or perception.
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It's not an assumption or perception.
I come from Penang, top schools are either missionary schools or Chinese schools.
AFAIK the schools above have plenty of top A scorers. If your results falls under their average, can't enter them too.

Infact now some Chinese schools for standard 1 demands that the kid at least have enrolled to kindergarten because they don't want to have to waste time to teach them ABC.

So how can a school open to all SK, have better results than the ones I mentioned ??
Because they have vetted the smart students, teachers can't performed will be kicked out, students have tons of homework and outdoor activities
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You should send your children to an asrama penuh, an MRSM, one of the SBPs or UiTM and tell us the composition of the races in there, LOL!
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I am from an SBP. Thats the reason why we shouldn't have this shit anymore. Like I said, Kasi buka semua. Takut APA bossku. Melayu bukan Bodo. Ramai je Melayu 4 flat, straight As, first class etc.

It starts from the beginning. Primary school.

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The one they asked for comparison are the SRJK and smjk. Which are semi autonomous and semi funded by gomen and also follow syllabus set by MOE. Those schools with uec as per you examples are fully private schools. These dong zong organized school don't recognized those who went to SRJK and smjk as Chinese educated as what one ktard claimed in another tered.
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I give you 1 example- SMJK Sam Tet
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For the PT3 exam year 2015, the school have 18 students from scored 10 A's, 26 students 9 A's and 25 students 8 A's. As for SPM, 6 students scored 11 A's, 27 with 10 A's, 47 students scored 9 A's and 18 students 8 A's. For the STPM, a total of 25 students scored 4 A's and 14 students 3 A's. Compared with 2014, the number of students getting 4 A's and 3 A's has increased from 24 to 39. The passing rate also increased from 86.03% to 90.30%. One of the STPM candidate, Choong Wai Kean, achieved the best overall results in Malaysia. He obtained five principals with a cumulative grade point average (CGPA) of 4.0.[3]

PT3 result for 2015 was superseded by 2016 year's candidates. There were 79 students who excelled in their PT3 exam. 24 students obtained straight A's meanwhile 12 students got 9A's. Moreover, 24 students obtained 8A's and 19 of them received the result of 7A's. In addition, the general passing rate had an increase from 69.3% to 71.8%. SMJK Sam Tet also emerged as the school with the highest number of students scoring a 4.0 cumulative grade point average (CGPA) in Sijil Tinggi Pelajaran Malaysia (STPM) for 2016 in Perak. There are 12 students who scored straight A's, 3 had taken five subjects. Apart from that, the school had also recorded a 100% pass rate in last year's STPM, with all 183 STPM candidates passing the exam.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMJK_Sam_Tet

So far I'm unable to find any reference to this school in any education rankings. Most of the ranking lists I found are mainly SBP or MRSM (sample)

Google search finds this list of top 10 best secondary schools 10 Sekolah Menengah Terbaik Malaysia 2017 but I'm not able to find the complete list of all srk, srjk, smk, smjk in the country and their rankings. At most I'm just able to find this (sos)

Perhaps you can find any reference to this school? I'm genuinely curious how SMJK Sam Tet stands in the national rankings especially for 2015 and 2016

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I am from an SBP. Thats the reason why we shouldn't have this shit anymore. Like I said, Kasi buka semua. Takut APA bossku. Melayu bukan Bodo. Ramai je Melayu 4 flat, straight As, first class etc.

It starts from the beginning. Primary school.
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Good.

If that is the kind of mentality and outlook - i.e. Malays can compete with no fear, and that all schools should be open to all on merit (your SBPs, MRSMs, asrama penuhs, UiTM), that the quota system should be abolished, and that every Malaysian child should sit only one common examination (i.e. no matriculation and STPM division bullshit as well), THEN I may be able to get behind the abolishment of vernacular schools. This is only the start however. There are many other details to iron out.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ Jan 4 2020, 08:32 PM)
Good.

If that is the kind of mentality and outlook - i.e. Malays can compete with no fear, and that all schools should be open to all on merit (your SBPs, MRSMs, asrama penuhs, UiTM), that the quota system should be abolished, and that every Malaysian child should sit only one common examination (i.e. no matriculation and STPM division bullshit as well), THEN I may be able to get behind the abolishment of vernacular schools. This is only the start however. There are many other details to iron out.
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Including UEC too rite?

Since it created the division in the system.
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Perhaps you can find any reference to this school? I'm genuinely curious how SMJK Sam Tet stands in the national rankings especially for 2015 and 2016
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As I said previously, there is an unofficial policy to ignore or downplay the achievement of vernacular schools, whether government or private, by the national media and the government bodies.

Cannot be when parents tell me year in year out that the schools they send their children to produce straight A students in UEC / SPM by the bucketloads, but nothing comes out in the press. End up the Malays seem to think only their elite schools are producing top scholars in the country.

I will say this though... Singapore loves the shit we are doing to our vernacular schools. They (the Singaporeans) get to reap the cream of the crop from our yearly cohort. All that talent goes to Singapore to help make Singapore great again, instead of helping Malaysia.

But well... terpulanglah.
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Including UEC too rite?

Since it created the division in the system.
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Yeah, including UEC.

If can abolish matriculation and quota system, and make STPM the common exam for one and all, and take away bullshit stuff like backdoors, then I would support abolishment of UEC too.

But as long as any of these quota or matriculation nonsense exist, then UEC needs to go on, because it is with UEC that Chinese vernacular school students can move to other countries to study and migrate, if needed.
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I give you 1 example- SMJK Sam Tet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMJK_Sam_Tet

So far I'm unable to find any reference to this school in any education rankings. Most of the ranking lists I found are mainly SBP or MRSM (sample)

Google search finds this list of top 10 best secondary schools 10 Sekolah Menengah Terbaik Malaysia 2017 but I'm not able to find the complete list of all srk, srjk, smk, smjk in the country and their rankings. At most I'm just able to find this (sos)

Perhaps you can find any reference to this school? I'm genuinely curious how SMJK Sam Tet stands in the national rankings especially for 2015 and 2016
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I dont know about STPM.

But the 3 best school in Perak for 2018 SPM is Sekolah Tunku Abdul Rahman, MCKK and Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Agama (SMKA) Ulul Albab, somehwere in Kerian.

Harian Metro linkhttps://www.hmetro.com.my/mutakhir/2019/03/433696/624-calon-spm-perak-dapat-semua
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Yeah, including UEC.

If can abolish matriculation and quota system, and make STPM the common exam for one and all, and take away bullshit stuff like backdoors, then I would support abolishment of UEC too.

But as long as any of these quota or matriculation nonsense exist, then UEC needs to go on, because it is with UEC that Chinese vernacular school students can move to other countries to study and migrate, if needed.
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SPM and STPM can do that too.
UEC is not compulsory to study overseas.

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I dont know about STPM.

But the 3 best school in Perak for 2018 SPM is Sekolah Tunku Abdul Rahman, MCKK and Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Agama (SMKA) Ulul Albab, somehwere in Kerian.

Harian Metro linkhttps://www.hmetro.com.my/mutakhir/2019/03/433696/624-calon-spm-perak-dapat-semua
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While I'm not dismissing the academic achievement of these schools, I'm just wondering how complete was the list and how was the ranking done, is it inclusive smjk or excluded?
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SPM and STPM can do that too.
UEC is not compulsory to study overseas.
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UEC allows vernacular school students to graduate one year faster than STPM students and opens more doors to Chinese language institutions overseas than STPM.

If I had a child in Malaysia who had to choose between UEC or STPM, and if money was not an issue, then no brainer for me.... would pick UEC 10 times out of 10.
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Another vernacular school boy:

Yi Hern, from a vernacular school
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While I'm not dismissing the academic achievement of these schools, I'm just wondering how complete was the list and how was the ranking done, is it inclusive smjk or excluded?
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not sure bro.

the only link that I can find, since one of the commenters mention SMJK Sam Tet as his example, is this analysis of the trial for SPM 2018 - for schools in Ulu Kinta.

Hopefully this can give you an idea. PDF file warning.

JPN Perakhttp://jpnperak.moe.gov.my/ppdkinta/attachments/article/7192/DTP-%20PASCA%20NILAI%20SPM%20BIL%203-2018.pdf

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Good.

If that is the kind of mentality and outlook - i.e. Malays can compete with no fear, and that all schools should be open to all on merit (your SBPs, MRSMs, asrama penuhs, UiTM), that the quota system should be abolished, and that every Malaysian child should sit only one common examination (i.e. no matriculation and STPM division bullshit as well), THEN I may be able to get behind the abolishment of vernacular schools. This is only the start however. There are many other details to iron out.
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Hells yea. Stpm, matrix and uec should be consolidated into one single quality qualification exam. I don't understand the need to have so many when one should suffice. But I'm not well versed when it comes to pre tertiary education, so I need some comments from the enlightened ones.
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While I'm not dismissing the academic achievement of these schools, I'm just wondering how complete was the list and how was the ranking done, is it inclusive smjk or excluded?
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Actually SBPs have been churning out great results for the past few decades. I still don't understand why it has been overlooked everyone.

Check out SPM. The top schools are SBPs and MRSMs. No other school come even close to matching them
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not sure bro.

the only link that I can find, since one of the commenters mention SMJK Sam Tet as his example, is this analysis of the trial for SPM 2018 - for schools in Ulu Kinta.

Hopefully this can give you an idea. PDF file warning.

JPN Perakhttp://jpnperak.moe.gov.my/ppdkinta/attachments/article/7192/DTP-%20PASCA%20NILAI%20SPM%20BIL%203-2018.pdf
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Thanks bro, thats what I'm looking for
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 4 2020, 08:03 PM)
I am from an SBP. Thats the reason why we shouldn't have this shit anymore. Like I said, Kasi buka semua. Takut APA bossku. Melayu bukan Bodo. Ramai je Melayu 4 flat, straight As, first class etc.

It starts from the beginning. Primary school.
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Yea yea tolong bukak, nanti 6 months u turn mintak tongkat


Melayu tak bodo tapi tak setanding yang lain

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 08:16 PM)
I give you 1 example- SMJK Sam Tet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMJK_Sam_Tet

So far I'm unable to find any reference to this school in any education rankings. Most of the ranking lists I found are mainly SBP or MRSM (sample)

Google search finds this list of top 10 best secondary schools 10 Sekolah Menengah Terbaik Malaysia 2017 but I'm not able to find the complete list of all srk, srjk, smk, smjk in the country and their rankings. At most I'm just able to find this (sos)

Perhaps you can find any reference to this school? I'm genuinely curious how SMJK Sam Tet stands in the national rankings especially for 2015 and 2016
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I'll try to look for school ranking. Can't promise anything. From your post smjk Sam tet are very good.

In my place the smjk are considered ah beng school. Good student go to ACS.
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Yea yea tolong bukak, nanti 6 months u turn mintak tongkat
Melayu tak bodo tapi tak setanding yang lain

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There are Bodo malays too, just like there are Bodo Chinese and Indians and Mat Salleh etc.

Hey there are variations in human beings. Surprise surprise.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 04:23 AM)
Beats me why some ppl still thinks mixing everyone in the same school and magically, somehow, we will achieve unity. Makan in toilet during puasa, separate cups for muslim children and nons, and to a certain extend closing the whole canteen during puasa (non muslims no need to eat also during puasa is it? This never happened during my time in sk), all these happens in vernacular school is it? Look at those jamal red shirts, look at those shouting bossku, look at those shouting racial hates and threats in social media, they all also coming from vernacular school is it?

Its not the school, its the system, idiots  doh.gif

And for all the supposedly superior single stream school etc etc. I have asked this question many times yet have never received any answer:

Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools? Can anybody answer this?

Give a superior quality of education and you don't even need to abolish vernacular schools, they will die off by themselves from low enrollment. In the 70s-80s, vernacular schools almost died off because national schools were perceived to be equal or even slightly superior than vernacular schools. Today, how many national schools can you honestly say is genuinely superior than vernacular schools?

You force ppl away from national schools with low education quality, religion (mahathir himself says national schools are like sekolah agama now) and racism. Instead of fixing this to attract ppl back, lets do a short cut, abolish the vernacular schools so everybody have no choice but can only go to 1 national schools. Lets call it unity  doh.gif
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No. Vernacular and religious schools have overstayed their welcome. Not because they’re necessarily bad nor producing bad students, but the time has come to merge all and improve all.

No ifs no buts.

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Actually SBPs have been churning out great results for the past few decades. I still don't understand why it has been overlooked everyone.

Check out SPM. The top schools are SBPs and MRSMs. No other school come even close to matching them
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This is true. Using SPM as benchmark, no other type of school comes close. What we need to do now is upgrade the level of SPM and STPM to international level so that one day there’d be no need for UEC here.

And merge them all, the schools.
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which country got SRJKC?
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No. Vernacular and religious schools have overstayed their welcome. Not because they’re necessarily bad nor producing bad students, but the time has come to merge all and improve all.

No ifs no buts.
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and u r making this decision for the rest of us? how about no
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No. Vernacular and religious schools have overstayed their welcome. Not because they’re necessarily bad nor producing bad students, but the time has come to merge all and improve all.

No ifs no buts.
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Why are you taking away something good and force everyone to go to something inferior. You close down vernacular schools , it will just turn more parents to private, international and home schools. Even today a lot of parents are moving to such schools as they deemed vernacular schools are not good enough. If you force only 1 type of schools, you’ll force a lot of parents to take their children out of government controlled system. In 20 or 30 years time, the same argument will arise again. Why SK was the school of choice for non-Malay parents in the 60’s, 70’s and even 80’s when BM was the medium of instructional?




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which country got SRJKC?
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Which country force racial & religious supremacy concept into its education system?
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Nama aje SJKC but any race free to enrol. So there is nothing racist about it but just knowledge using the Chinese language, the most spoken language in the world.

Stop twisting and turning.
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and u r making this decision for the rest of us? how about no
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Eh, maybe not me. But I hope someday there’d be a leader ballsy enough to do it. Jumpstart the whole thing.
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Why are you taking away something good and force everyone to go to something inferior. You close down vernacular schools , it will just turn more parents to private, international and home schools. Even today a lot of parents are moving to such schools as they deemed vernacular schools are not good enough. If you force only 1 type of schools, you’ll force a lot of parents to take their children out of government controlled system. In 20 or 30 years time, the same argument will arise again. Why SK was the school of choice for non-Malay parents in the 60’s, 70’s and even 80’s when BM was the medium of instructional?
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 4 2020, 02:13 AM)
This tered still alive?

Abolish everything la. Vernacular, religious, all. Single-stream school for all, English teaching medium for STEM subjects and the rest in Malay. Compulsory beginner Mandarin and Tamil and elective for more advanced level. Ban private schools except for non-PR immigrants.

Done.
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No private/international/home schools for Malaysians. Only for non-PR immigrants. Parents taking their children away from govt education system? Jail time for child neglect, just like what we should do for parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.

Do as per my suggestion, in 20 years there’d be no more barking from any quarter.

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Eh, maybe not me. But I hope someday there’d be a leader ballsy enough to do it. Jumpstart the whole thing.
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Since DAP is a proponent of Malaysian Malaysia, they are well placed to do this, but you think they will kacau SJK? You know and I know they won't, lol. So, are they hypocrites then? They are, like the other side, politicians. They'll do whatever they can to stay in power. That comes above all. Period. But Macais will come plotek big time.
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No. Vernacular and religious schools have overstayed their welcome. Not because they’re necessarily bad nor producing bad students, but the time has come to merge all and improve all.

No ifs no buts.
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Read again my post, carefully this time.

And btw, like it or not, vernacular schools and sekolah agama are protected by the constitution, so all these hapuskan sekolah vernakular hapuskan sekolah agama are moot in the very 1st place
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 5 2020, 09:33 AM)
Since DAP is a proponent of Malaysian Malaysia, they are well placed to do this, but you think they will kacau SJK? You know and I know they won't, lol.  So, are they hypocrites then? They are, like the other side, politicians. They'll do whatever they can to stay in power. That comes above all. Period. But Macais will come plotek big time.
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There are Bodo malays too, just like there are Bodo Chinese and Indians and Mat Salleh etc.

Hey there are variations in human beings. Surprise surprise.
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Yup multiple variations of mediocrity
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 02:35 AM)
Read again my post, carefully this time.

And btw, like it or not, vernacular schools and sekolah agama are protected by the constitution, so all these hapuskan sekolah vernakular hapuskan sekolah agama are moot in the very 1st place
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No. You’ve been duped.

https://m.malaysiakini.com/columns/389151

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“Whether vernacular schools are part of our rich cultural mosaic or a hindrance to national unity are open questions. What is important is that though not provided for in the constitution, they are recognised by the Education Act 1996. The Act in Section 28 allows ‘national type’ schools to exist and to conduct instruction in a language other than Malay. The Act also allows private educational institutions to exist under section 73 and gives them considerable autonomy.”

That means vernacular schools can be abolished by an amendment to the Education Act which requires just a simple majority of the legislature compared to the two-thirds majority required to amend the constitution.


Read the constitution properly.
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Which country force racial & religious supremacy concept into its education system?
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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 5 2020, 02:33 AM)
Since DAP is a proponent of Malaysian Malaysia, they are well placed to do this, but you think they will kacau SJK? You know and I know they won't, lol.  So, are they hypocrites then? They are, like the other side, politicians. They'll do whatever they can to stay in power. That comes above all. Period. But Macais will come plotek big time.
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Now you’re asking the right questions. One of the reasons DAP has a hard time shaking the image of “parti cina” is exactly this; they derive their power from ethnic Chinese base. They are still afraid to realise the actual meaning of Malaysian Malaysia because that would mean alienating their power base.

Politicians will always be politicians. It’s up to us to advance worthy causes that transcend race and religion.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 5 2020, 09:42 AM)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No. You’ve been duped.

https://m.malaysiakini.com/columns/389151
Read the constitution properly.
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Read again your own post:
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The Act also allows private educational institutions to exist under section 73 and gives them considerable autonomy


Also, read again my post and try to understand why the bolded parts

QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 11:23 AM)
Beats me why some ppl still thinks mixing everyone in the same school and magically, somehow, we will achieve unity. Makan in toilet during puasa, separate cups for muslim children and nons, and to a certain extend closing the whole canteen during puasa (non muslims no need to eat also during puasa is it? This never happened during my time in sk), all these happens in vernacular school is it? Look at those jamal red shirts, look at those shouting bossku, look at those shouting racial hates and threats in social media, they all also coming from vernacular school is it?

Its not the school, its the system, idiots  doh.gif

And for all the supposedly superior single stream school etc etc. I have asked this question many times yet have never received any answer:

Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards [b]FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools? Can anybody answer this?[/B]

Give a superior quality of education and you don't even need to abolish vernacular schools, they will die off by themselves from low enrollment. In the 70s-80s, vernacular schools almost died off because national schools were perceived to be equal or even slightly superior than vernacular schools. Today, how many national schools can you honestly say is genuinely superior than vernacular schools?

You force ppl away from national schools with low education quality, religion (mahathir himself says national schools are like sekolah agama now) and racism. Instead of fixing this to attract ppl back, lets do a short cut, abolish the vernacular schools so everybody have no choice but can only go to 1 national schools. Lets call it unity  doh.gif
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National school sucks la. A lot of people who criticize national school are actually those who attended it from1980-2000 la.

The Malays failed the non Malays and the Malays now blame the non malays for choosing something better for their children? Look into your system Malays. If u suck, u suck. Improve yourself instead of criticizing others who criticize u.
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sjkc better? in what?

all i see is little chinese kids that have problem to communicate

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Read again your own post:
Also, read again my post and try to understand why the bolded parts
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You mentioned constitution. Education Act is not constitution. It can be amended with a simple majority. Do you even know what a constitution is?

I read your points. No need to beat around the bush, because sooner or later, another problem would pop out. Then another. Then some more.

What we need is a hard reset. With reducing political power of non-Malays and degradation of religious schools standard, it’s high time to abolish vernacular and religious schools, as per my point.

Single-stream all the way.
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 5 2020, 08:49 AM)
Why are you taking away something good and force everyone to go to something inferior. You close down vernacular schools , it will just turn more parents to private, international and home schools. Even today a lot of parents are moving to such schools as they deemed vernacular schools are not good enough. If you force only 1 type of schools, you’ll force a lot of parents to take their children out of government controlled system. In 20 or 30 years time, the same argument will arise again. Why SK was the school of choice for non-Malay parents in the 60’s, 70’s and even 80’s when BM was the medium of instructional?
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The reason why the 60s, 70s & 80s was the preferred choice to enrol in sk was because the RnR concept hasn't entered the edu sector yet. It seems it was in the late 90s this took place. We still had meritocracy back then. Teachers were from ALL races. The HMs were from ALL races. You can only occupy the HM post if you're good and proven. Those days are long gone with the influx of the RnR concept and along with it also the standard of education in sk. So it's a natural thing for parents to be attracted to vernacular schools which was not so during the 60s, 70s & 80s. Unless the sk gets back to what it was before i.e. getting out the RnR concept and returning to meritocracy - which is very very very unlikely as the damage is too deep and too fatalistic at this point - there's no way it can attract the nons parents anytime soon.

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The reason why the 60s, 70s & 80s was the preferred choice to enrol in sk was because the RnR concept hasn't entered the edu sector yet. It seems it was in the late 90s this took place. We still had meritocracy back then. Teachers were from ALL races. The HMs were from ALL races. You can only occupy the HM post if you're good and proven. Those days are long gone with the influx of the RnR concept and along with it also the standard of education in sk. So it's a natural thing for parents to be attracted to vernacular schools which was not so during the 60s, 70s & 80s. Unless the sk gets back to what it was before i.e. getting out the RnR concept and returning to meritocracy - which is very very very unlikely as the damage is too deep and too fatalistic at this point - there's no way it can attract the nons parents anytime soon.
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This is true. By combining all schools into a single system, we can unify parents’ voices to push the govt to do the right thing and remove rnr aspects from education system.

All Malaysians want the best for the next generation. If we continue to give leeway to govt to do as they please by allowing vernacular and religious schools to exist so that don’t have to deal with parents’ demands, then nothing will change.
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You mentioned constitution. Education Act is not constitution. It can be amended with a simple majority. Do you even know what a constitution is?

I read your points. No need to beat around the bush, because sooner or later, another problem would pop out. Then another. Then some more.

What we need is a hard reset. With reducing political power of non-Malays and degradation of religious schools standard, it’s high time to abolish vernacular and religious schools, as per my point.

Single-stream all the way.
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Like I asked so many times previously:
Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools?

And what is this about reducing political power of non-malays? They are not malaysian citizens? Only malays are entitled to rule this nation? rclxub.gif
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The thing is you can't have the RnR concept to run in parallel with excellence in performance. It's either or the other. if it's RnR that you want then RnR is what you will get. Not performance. This is evident from the era where the sk was at its peak in performance churning out quality students and it was a source of pride to state that you graduated from a local u. If it's performance that you want then you need to give up the RnR concept. Embrace meritocracy. Treat all as equals. It's basic logic. You can't have the cake and eat it too.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 03:11 AM)
Like I asked so many times previously:
Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools?

And what is this about reducing political power of non-malays? They are not malaysian citizens? Only malays are entitled to rule this nation? rclxub.gif
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Then you’d give Malays the excuse to refuse it. Conversion of vernacular and religious schools are not that difficult; most funding and staffing already come from federal. Just need to unify the system and syllabus.

You seem naive when talking about politics and political influence. Non-Malay population is shrinking and with it, their political power. Soon their affairs would have very little bearings on govt policies.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 5 2020, 10:17 AM)
Then you’d give Malays the excuse to refuse it. Conversion of vernacular and religious schools are not that difficult; most funding and staffing already come from federal. Just need to unify the system and syllabus.

You seem naive when talking about politics and political influence. Non-Malay population is shrinking and with it, their political power. Soon their affairs would have very little bearings on govt policies.
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Why should malays refuse it when we're upgrading the existing sk to better than before?

So in a hypothetical scenario, if lets say the non malay has the experience and qualification, but because he comes from minority race, therefore he has no right to enter politics and govern the country? Is that what you say?

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QUOTE(mango27 @ Jan 3 2020, 05:25 PM)
yes, thats the thing, u need to know the cause and fix the issue... not just ask to abolish SJKC without providing an alternative... SJKC provides the flexibility to teach in different syllabus/methods, rather than public school which rigidly follow MOE orders, which fluctuate and backtrack in teaching through english medium... just fix the quality of public school education and you will see ppl flocking back to public school...

joining SJKC doesnt mean supporting segregation, just want better quality on education... dont simply put words into others mouth... my closet friends in primary schools are non-chinese btw... its ironic that politician from race based party are blaming SJKC for segregation...
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lol better education
if sjkc is that good why not make one stream based on it
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u know the meaning or malaysia or not

up to them la want mara or uitm. Go back to your own country
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lol, talked about Malaysia, what about unity and tongkat ?

Then leave vernacular schools alone, don't feel jealous and butthurt of vernacular schools' success here
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Why should malays refuse it when we're upgrading the existing sk to better than before?

So in a hypothetical scenario, if lets say the non malay has the experience and qualification, but because he comes from minority race, therefore he has no right to enter politics and govern the country? Is that what you say?
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I’ve told you my suggestion. That will help improve the education when single-stream comes. I’m not gonna repeat it again.

Not only you show inability to understand the constitution and how it works, you also fail to grasp how politics work. Politics care little about experience and qualification. It’s not a job where you come in and interview. It’s the art of influencing people. Anyone can enter politics, but even with great qualifications and experience, if you fail to attract voters you’re still a shit politician.

Are you a vernacular school product? Did they not teach you how govt works? How politics work? How legislature works?

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I’ve told you my suggestion. That will help improve the education when single-stream comes. I’m not gonna repeat it again.

Not only you show inability to understand the constitution and how it works, you also fail to grasp how politics work. Politics care little about experience and qualification. It’s not a job where you come in and interview. It’s the art of influencing people. Anyone can enter politics, but even with great qualifications and experience, if you fail to attract voters you’re still a shit politician.

Are you a vernacular school product? Did they not teach you how govt works? How politics work? How legislature works?
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And I've already told you the problems and question. I'm not gonna repeat it again either.

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if you fail to attract voters you’re still a shit politician.

And this here is the tragedy. Seems like experience and qualification does not work here, but rnr. If the best way to attract majority of the votes is by playing rnr, then don't blame the minority for resisting or leaving. Sure, you can force everything through like what you suggested, just be aware that you are advocating tyranny & apartheid
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And I've already told you the problems and question. I'm not gonna repeat it again either.
And this here is the tragedy. Seems like experience and qualification does not work here, but rnr. If the best way to attract majority of the votes is by playing rnr, then don't blame the minority for resisting or leaving. Sure, you can force everything through like what you suggested, just be aware that you are advocating tyranny & apartheid
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That’s how politics work in every country. A good politicians should know how to attract voters whilst simultaneously lead them forward to better future. This is not a tragedy.

You don’t necessarily have to play rnr issues to become good politician and obtain votes. Blaming other people and rnr issues for your own failings to obtain people’s support shows that politician is an incompetent one.

How is unifying education system promotes tyranny and apartheid? People who disagree can go and cry their eyes out during UN Assembly for the loss of vernacular and religious schools. See how many people will care.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 5 2020, 11:12 AM)
That’s how politics work in every country. A good politicians should know how to attract voters whilst simultaneously lead them forward to better future. This is not a tragedy.

You don’t necessarily have to play rnr issues to become good politician and obtain votes. Blaming other people and rnr issues for your own failings to obtain people’s support shows that politician is an incompetent one.

How is unifying education system promotes tyranny and apartheid? People who disagree can go and cry their eyes out during UN Assembly for the loss of vernacular and religious schools. See how many people will care.
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lel, you don't go around the ground or read about the opposition don't you laugh.gif

Unifying education system is not tyranny or apartheid. Your method on how to go about it is
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 04:29 AM)
lel, you don't go around the ground or read about the opposition don't you  laugh.gif

Unifying education system is not tyranny or apartheid. Your method on how to go about it is
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And I stand by what I said. You don’t necessarily have to play on rnr issues to become good politician. If you think descending to their level is your thing, then go do it.

Again, people who protest can go cry their eyes out at UN Assembly. When the time comes, go cry and tell the world how the tyrannical and apartheid govt of Malaysia is abolishing vernacular and religious schools to unify the education system.

Go on, do it.
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And what is this about reducing political power of non-malays? They are not malaysian citizens? Only malays are entitled to rule this nation? rclxub.gif
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In the minds of many brainwashed melayus, this is indeed their opinion.

QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 5 2020, 10:17 AM)
You seem naive when talking about politics and political influence. Non-Malay population is shrinking and with it, their political power. Soon their affairs would have very little bearings on govt policies.
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You mean like Ahok in Indonesia?

QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 5 2020, 11:12 AM)
You don’t necessarily have to play rnr issues to become good politician and obtain votes. Blaming other people and rnr issues for your own failings to obtain people’s support shows that politician is an incompetent one.
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This is like the situation in the US. Democrats are playing up RnR issues because they don't have any effective solution to help all Americans. Trump has the solutions to make American great again, and he is doing a fine job, but he is Republican and has values distinctively opposed to Democrats.

So the Democrats have NO CHOICE but to play up on RnR issues because that's their platform over the last 80 years, and dumb populace lap it up because of the left winged mainstream media.

This is similar to what is happening to this country. Except in exchange for freedom and Constitution loving Republicans, you get a PAP-like DAP, which isn't that great either.
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QUOTE(lol bodo @ Jan 5 2020, 10:35 AM)
what unity and tongkat? gov give, people take. bodoh

if your cina gov give then u take la

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What a hypocrite here, talked about Malaysia , and yet get butthurt about uitm, unity, vernacular school and tongkat

Unity won't be achieved because all these kind of racists like you here, so better keep your tongkat and stop complaining the vernacular schools bodo



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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 5 2020, 11:38 AM)
And I stand by what I said. You don’t necessarily have to play on rnr issues to become good politician. If you think descending to their level is your thing, then go do it.

Again, people who protest can go cry their eyes out at UN Assembly. When the time comes, go cry and tell the world how the tyrannical and apartheid govt of Malaysia is abolishing vernacular and religious schools to unify the education system.

Go on, do it.
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Go tell it to the oppo politicians, especially PAS.

Like I said, abolishing vernacular, religious, uitm, etc to unify the education system is not tyranny or apartheid. Your method on how to go about it is. If you already have the might and numbers, then just go ahead and do it, no need to explain or justify anything

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 5 2020, 04:45 AM)
In the minds of many brainwashed melayus, this is indeed their opinion.

You mean like Ahok in Indonesia?
This is like the situation in the US. Democrats are playing up RnR issues because they don't have any effective solution to help all Americans. Trump has the solutions to make American great again, and he is doing a fine job, but he is Republican and has values distinctively opposed to Democrats.

So the Democrats have NO CHOICE but to play up on RnR issues because that's their platform over the last 80 years, and dumb populace lap it up because of the left winged mainstream media.

This is similar to what is happening to this country. Except in exchange for freedom and Constitution loving Republicans, you get a PAP-like DAP, which isn't that great either.
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This is the current political situation here. Like it or not, we have to adapt and attempt to change it when in power, not perpetuating the same mistakes.

Some people cannot read the room. They charge into every problem guns blazing. They fail to understand nuances and local norms. Yet they blame others for their eventual failings.

One of the reasons why British colonialism was quite successful here is the Brits actually take their time to understand local populace’s culture, norms and religions and use the knowledge to their advantage. Those who charged in blindly got killed. See: JWW Birch.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 5 2020, 11:54 AM)
This is the current political situation here. Like it or not, we have to adapt and attempt to change it when in power, not perpetuating the same mistakes.

Some people cannot read the room. They charge into every problem guns blazing. They fail to understand nuances and local norms. Yet they blame others for their eventual failings.

One of the reasons why British colonialism was quite successful here is the Brits actually take their time to understand local populace’s culture, norms and religions and use the knowledge to their advantage. Those who charged in blindly got killed. See: JWW Birch.
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The political situation is a reflection of the mindset of the populace. We're not living in commie China or Stalin's Russia. If people don't want something, politicians will be unable to push it forcefully thanks to the Democratic system the Brits left for us. But like any other good thing that is given to msians, they will break it.

So it's time for msians to take a long good look in the mirror if they want to know why politicians behave this way.
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 5 2020, 05:14 AM)
The political situation is a reflection of the mindset of the populace. We're not living in commie China or Stalin's Russia. If people don't want something, politicians will be unable to push it forcefully thanks to the Democratic system the Brits left for us. But like any other good thing that is given to msians, they will break it.

So it's time for msians to take a long good look in the mirror if they want to know why politicians behave this way.
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That I agree. Politics is always the reflection of the populace, at least in a democratic country. Politicians can and should help nudge the population towards the right direction. This is their job: to help raykat see his vision and bring them together to work for it.
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QUOTE(jueiri @ Jan 1 2020, 10:37 PM)
Even in an all-muslim country, they will still be comparing. By that time, they will be comparing, who more holy, who more follow prophets teaching, whos lifestyle more closely like prophet. There will be a race, everyone will try to be more holier than thou.

Evidence are aplenty in those muslim countries.
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Sounds like questioning Muslims and their religious practices.
More closely to Prophet la...takkan closely follow Shiites pulak.


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if remove vernacular school, pls remove sekolah agama + uni kuota.
since the reason is want all study together for national unity
then somehow hope the Education Ministry can elevate the education level instead of using schs as propaganda camps
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Sekolah agama learn religious subjects. Sekolah kau belajar Taoisme etc ke.
Aikk remove 1 things in exchange of 2 things???
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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 1 2020, 10:00 PM)
Naturally we know that once SJK is abolished, private schools will flourish, and we know who will again be left behind and it won't be long before they start raging again.

Fix symptoms don't fix root cause, that's the MO of your leaders.
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QUOTE(chemnz @ Jan 2 2020, 11:04 AM)
One nation. One system.

- make bahasa, mandarin, english compulsory (lets be honest, Bahasa is our national language. Mandarin and English has practical uses, so macha dun marah ya. y'all still get 2 public holidays, unlike our Sikh brethren)

- revamp agama islam and abolish pendidikan moral (fight me if you want, but agama islam classes has NOT proven to make muslims better and tolerant people. improve that shit. pendidikan moral otoh is an insult to nons. how to make the schedule you ask? i don't know.. like maybe add an EXTRA FUCKING HOUR for agama islam every few school days?)

- dont hire cikgu bodo & emo. just because u graduated from some uni or maktab perguruan, doesn't mean jackshit if you can't teach. and at least have a decent command of english. dont make the saying "those who can't do, teach" a reality.

- PJK is not a real slot, and PJK teacher is not a real job. well, not unless you actually teach real health and fitness. if not, just focus on after school co-curriculum sports instead. could actually worth something for people who can actually excel of have interest in certain sports

- Ali has 5 guli, Ah Chong has 10, and Ravi has 1. that's a problem. get that shit fixed.
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I agree with some of your points like PJK & Moral but not with Pend.Agama. Pend. agama is not just teaching about human values like Pend. sivik untuk jadi individu/anak/masyarakatlwarganegara yang baik. It teaches us basics of Islamic practices like solat etc. All those ibadat have rules. Kalau orang Islam basic pun tak tau, dah tu buat ibadat main langgar je????
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 2 2020, 05:29 PM)
This is the reason why Chinese schools are no longer the school of choice for some Chinese parents. They are too academic focus and any student who can't cope with such a system will be left behind. We always see the glory side of Chinese schools but never realize that there are a lot of failures too.

I have a friend who send his daughter to Chinese school and she was miserable for 6 years from standard 1 to 6. She was always in the weaker student class where she was neglected. Her academic results were terrible and she hated going to school. After standard 6, she was homeschooled and by the time she reach university, her results were excellent. My friend show me some of the assignments she do when she was in form 1 age and I was impressed. Homeschool gave her the freedom to study at her own pace and to her strength.
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The last paragraph happens at SK/SMK, too. Smart students always been favoured by teachers not only in studies but also co-curricular activities. These smart students will participate in any competition as well as become pengawas. The only left for pelajar kelas belakang is pengawas (but will be overshadowed by smart students) or participate in sports.
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QUOTE(dean.ab25 @ Jan 5 2020, 02:01 PM)
I agree with some of your points like PJK & Moral but not with Pend.Agama. Pend. agama is not just teaching about human values like Pend. sivik untuk jadi individu/anak/masyarakatlwarganegara yang baik. It teaches us basics of Islamic practices like solat etc. All those ibadat have rules. Kalau orang Islam basic pun tak tau, dah tu buat ibadat main langgar je????
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Fyi, in my school time back in the 80's to early 90's, national schools that time were strictly national schools. There were no agama classes. We only had kelas moral and best part is nothing was taught in that class. Basically it's like an unofficial recess period and we all of us melayu, cina, india would be monkeys in the class until the next period. . You want agama, you go mengaji after school or go sekolah agama.

National schools should not be the place to teach Islam or any other religions.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 11:23 AM)
Beats me why some ppl still thinks mixing everyone in the same school and magically, somehow, we will achieve unity. Makan in toilet during puasa, separate cups for muslim children and nons, and to a certain extend closing the whole canteen during puasa (non muslims no need to eat also during puasa is it? This never happened during my time in sk), all these happens in vernacular school is it? Look at those jamal red shirts, look at those shouting bossku, look at those shouting racial hates and threats in social media, they all also coming from vernacular school is it?

Its not the school, its the system, idiots  doh.gif

And for all the supposedly superior single stream school etc etc. I have asked this question many times yet have never received any answer:

Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards [b]FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools? Can anybody answer this?[/B]

Give a superior quality of education and you don't even need to abolish vernacular schools, they will die off by themselves from low enrollment. In the 70s-80s, vernacular schools almost died off because national schools were perceived to be equal or even slightly superior than vernacular schools. Today, how many national schools can you honestly say is genuinely superior than vernacular schools?

You force ppl away from national schools with low education quality, religion (mahathir himself says national schools are like sekolah agama now) and racism. Instead of fixing this to attract ppl back, lets do a short cut, abolish the vernacular schools so everybody have no choice but can only go to 1 national schools. Lets call it unity  doh.gif
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Rebrand SJK to SK i.e change the name + all subjects taught in BM. Not closed down the school and make it terbengkalai.
Setuju atau tidak?

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 02:30 PM)
Fyi, in my school time back in the 80's to early 90's, national schools that time were strictly national schools. There were no agama classes. We only had kelas moral and best part is nothing was taught in that class. Basically it's like an unofficial recess period and we all of us melayu, cina, india would be monkeys in the class until the next period. . You want agama, you go mengaji after school or go sekolah agama.

National schools should not be the place to teach Islam or any other religions.
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Sorry to disagree. It doesn't involve you, non-Muslims (during that period, non-Muslims either have kelas Bahasa/Pend Moral) at different classrooms. Officially it users 3 period/week only, unless Muslims take Pend Syariah + Quran Sunnah, hence it will be 6 period/week. And like I said, it teaches us basics of Islamic practices as well.
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Rebrand SJK to SK i.e change the name + all subjects taught in BM. Not closed down the school and make it terbengkalai.
Setuju atau tidak?
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Thats what it means by closing down vernacular schools lor, hence my question lor doh.gif


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QUOTE(dean.ab25 @ Jan 5 2020, 02:40 PM)
Rebrand SJK to SK i.e change the name + all subjects taught in BM. Not closed down the school and make it terbengkalai.
Setuju atau tidak?
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How about all scientific subject dual Language ( can choose BM or Eng). Have dedicated BM and Chinese subject. Sejarah in BM..

Seems fair right ?











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Sorry to disagree. It doesn't involve you, non-Muslims (during that period, non-Muslims either have kelas Bahasa/Pend Moral) at different classrooms. Officially it users 3 period/week only, unless Muslims take Pend Syariah + Quran Sunnah, hence it will be 6 period/week. And like I said, it teaches us basics of Islamic practices as well.
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"National school". Try and understand what the word "national" means. Hence the reason why muslim students rightfully went to mengaji after school or enroll in sekolah agama


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How about all scientific subject dual Language ( can choose BM or Eng). Have dedicated BM and Chinese subject. Sejarah in BM..

Seems fair right ?
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I have no issue with the first one. I learnt Science in PPSMI.
2nd one, in other words, only Chinese teachers have the opportunity to teach because by default (they know both bahasa & Mandarin)??? Wait I don't get your 2nd point. What subjects? Is it other than science?
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I have no issue with the first one. I learnt Science in PPSMI.
2nd one, in other words, only Chinese teachers have the opportunity to teach because by default (they know both bahasa & Mandarin)??? Wait I don't get your 2nd point. What subjects? Is it other than science?
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Sejarah, Pendidikan Morap, Pendidikan all those in BM so the nons can learn more BM from there naturally.
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Thats what it means by closing down vernacular schools lor, hence my question lor doh.gif
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So what's with teaching in your bahasa other making it easier to understand the topics? *Put aside the quality of SJK
I studied science till degree use English, no "susah nak paham" issue pun.
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So what's with teaching in your bahasa other making it easier to understand the topics? *Put aside the quality of SJK
I studied science till degree use English, no "susah nak paham" issue pun.
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Because, like, vernacular education is guaranteed under the constitution? Up to me la whether I want to go study in chinese or in bm. Just don't force the choice away from me can? *Putting aside discussion on quality
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QUOTE(dean.ab25 @ Jan 5 2020, 02:43 PM)
Sorry to disagree. It doesn't involve you, non-Muslims (during that period, non-Muslims either have kelas Bahasa/Pend Moral) at different classrooms. Officially it users 3 period/week only, unless Muslims take Pend Syariah + Quran Sunnah, hence it will be 6 period/week. And like I said, it teaches us basics of Islamic practices as well.
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down with vernacular schools
up with secular schools

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post Jan 8 2020, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(crador @ Jan 4 2020, 04:59 AM)
There are 6 Malays in my son's class in SRJK...
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okay how many classes the school has?
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post Jan 15 2020, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(sky2006 @ Jan 8 2020, 01:47 PM)
okay how many classes the school has?
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standard one. 7 classes. 40 pupils each.

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