I always find this kind of syok sendiri statement amusing.

But yeah i came from elite public school, so of course i find that such statement amusing

This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 1 2020, 10:55 PM

It’s okay. No harm for you to syok sendiri.

Well. It takes two to tango. Bertepuk sebelah tangan tak akan berbunyi.

Racism is played by both side. Even here in lowyat. Whoever harping on racial issue regardless of which race are actually racist. People aggravating small issue and fear mongering about may 13 incident, even here you can see they are all the usual suspect.

Everyone have their own ego and not willing to compromise. All people want is for you to follow what i want. Both sides are the same. Afterall we are all asian, we have big ego.

This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 1 2020, 11:41 PM

You’re just expressing your concern without being hostile to others. Nothing is wrong about that.

I am saying the hardcore racist in this thread is the usual suspects. If you linger long enough in /k, you can actually spot the usual suspects Their MO is always the same, harping on may 13 incident.

Well, to me, the govt should remove bumi quota, bumi right & everything related to bumi and islam and do the same to other races to. Whoever oppose is definitely racist.

Yes. Remove sekolah agama and sjk. If you want to learn anything about your motherland culture and brotherhood culture/religion, learn it after school. No education budget should go to sekolah agama and sjk. If the parents insists of sending their kids to sekolah sejenis bangsa or sejenis agama, allow license to private school operator to provide this kind of school. If free, all normal national school.

And please remove pendidikan islam from the syllabus. Whoever wants their kids to learn islam, pay for tuition after school. I hate when ustat taught my kids stupid things in school. Make my task of correcting my kids mentality harder. But fortunately my sons can accept logic when explained.

No point making mandarin compulsory. Here is malaysia, not china. And i don’t see any use of mandarin other than trying to understand my fellow malaysian who refuse to speak in language i understand. Even the regional manager of my company in shenzen office speaks English.

If the regional manager can’t speak english, I doubt he will get hired for his position. German company wants people who can speak english even in PRC. With mandarin only, you might get hire for low rank position. And i don’t report to him. I’m reporting to local HOD who is a Malaysian. And all regional engineers in Shanghai and Shenzhen can speak english. Even regional engineeer in Singapore from China also speak English. So, when do i need mandarin? I don’t. Like i said, i my company, i only need mandarin if i want to speak to Malaysian who refuse to speak english or BM only.

Making mandarin compulsory is just as stupid as making jawi compulsory. If you want to learn mandarin. Take language classes after school. You can opt to learn other languages too, like Japanese if you like j-drama or Korean if you like k-pop etc2.

This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 2 2020, 02:55 PM

I am not saying Mandarin is useless. Mandarin is good if you’re aspiring to work for PRC company. But other than that, mandarin has not much use.

I am just dismissing your idea of making Mandarin compulsory to malaysian, not dissing the languages.

I have worked in one cinapek company, two local public listed companies, one British company, one french company and one german company. None of them requires me to speak Mandarin. Heck, even those is cinapek company don’t speak mandarin, they all speak hokkien.

This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 2 2020, 02:52 PM

Not sure. But my boss said he don’t know mandarin because he went to SK. I guess pure hokkien then.

This is true. No doubt you have higher chances to work in PRC company if you know mandarin, but most malaysian are struggling to master 2 languages, you wanted them to learn 3rd one which has no use to them.

I can understand three languages too because i learned arab in school. But do you think learning arab has any benefit to me? No. Because i am not in oil and gas industry. It was kind of waste learning arab in school. Should have taken japanese instead.

Lol. Happened to colleague of mine also, but from other department, kononnya want to speak mandarin to PRC people when he came down to Malaysia, but the Guangzhou born manager replied to him in English

I guess you colleague mandarin level is rempit level. Like most people here who speaks primarily BM but at rempit level, ask them to write official report/letter/documents in BM, grammar and vocabs all over the place.

This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 2 2020, 03:27 PM

LOL. Just like what i experienced when i had a meeting with a client company from taiwan. Some personnel from taiwan came down to Malaysia, so in the meeting there was one lady from taiwan, one lady from PRC, two malaysian chinese ladies, and one malay guy. The meeting was in English but since the English of the two non malaysian was not so good, occasionally the malay guy will elaborate my point to those ladies in Mandarin.

I was wondering why the malay guy always do the talking when all of them are in the same level? (all managers). So i asked him when we were alone. He told me because the two Malaysian are too used to the language, they spoke in language that is mix and match of few dialects, hence the taiwanese and PRC is having a hard time to understand. Unlike him, he learned formal mandarin and speak pure textbook mandarin.

Just like rempit vs non-malay who scored A1 in BM in SPM, definitely the guy who scored A1 can speak and write better BM than the rempit.

Yeah. Tell that to those racist lowlifes in FB. Write in bahasa rempit that even I don’t understand tapi ada hati nak kutuk non-malay’s proficiency in BM.

But me on the other hand, A in arab in PMR, A1 in BM and English in SPM, so i have the right to kutuk other people’s language proficiency
So i guess learning mandarin in SJK is overrated for chinese speaking people. Only good for non-chinese.

This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 2 2020, 03:59 PM

I guess you’re working in PRC? If so then of course it is important the learn the local language.

What’s the point of hiring him then?

Well if you deal with authorities where the local language is Mandarin, of course it is important for you to master the language.

In malaysia, official documentation mostly can be done in BM and English, so in that aspect we are better than single language countries.

Well I came from the best school in Kelantan but not SJK, so i can’t speak on behalf of not so performing SK.

But SK vs SJK in term of performance, just like Canon vs Nikon argument. Lower end model one brand might perform better than the other and vice versa for high end model.

In Kelantan, the “high end model”, SK always win, top school like SIC, Ahmad Maher, Naim Lil Banat is consistently better than SMJK Chung Hwa. Not sure about low end school though. And I can’t speak about school in other state too.

This post has been edited by blanket84: Jan 2 2020, 05:21 PM

I don’t know about normal school in KL, but i think boarding school like SSP, ASIS, KISAS, SAS are much better than any SJK you can name.

Yeah. Like i said, if you compare top end of SMK vs SMJK, SMK most of the time win hands down. Heavily funded? I’m not sure. Maybe the fund was songlapped. State of the art facilities? No. Biasa2 je. But one this for sure, the teachers are the best of the best. Because if you’re a teacher and you’re transferred to those school, it means that the ministry recognized you as top teacher already.

And like i mentioned those top school in Kelantan, the admission criteria is all As in UPSR (there is backdoor way too if you know someone, well, this is malaysia).

And in Kelantan, Chung Hwa is SMJK.

I used to believe SJK produced good student too. Until I started working in SJK majority industry, only 10% are up to my standard, brain wise. Salary and position wise, they can up faster because their bosses pity them for being oppressed by the ketuanan melayu even they are not competent. Truth is ketuanan melayu is having minimal benefits to salaryman, financially.

My school last time was competing at top of the table. We don’t care much about mid table team.

In front of my SRK was SRJKC Peir Chih. The 2-3 years i was following the UPSR result during my time, my school always perform better. But that was an unfair comparison because you can’t compare camry to city. Should compare camry to accord. But that time i do not know which school was the accord of SRJKC in Kelantan. The competitive spirit wasn’t there until i enter secondary school.

I guess safe to say SRJKC is better in rich states where salary is good like KL, Selangor, Penang & maybe Johor. Other than that, the statement of “SRJKC produce better student” isn’t applicable.

I know the reason why. Private school.

Rich malays in those states mostly prefer to send their kids to private school or international school. So the composition of students in SK mainly kids with not so rich parents, busy looking for money to feed the family. Most of the parents don’t have time to teach their kids anything at home and end up the parents pushing all the responsibility to the teachers. And most of parents sending kids to SK have a minimum of half a dozen of kids, so the time is even limited for each kid. So they end up producing kids with lack of drive and lack of interest and lack of attention. And it reflect to the kids performance in school.

I am a busy father too. I only have 3 hours to spend with my kids on weekdays, which why i limit myself to 2 kids only. So i could spend my time more with my kids.

SK performing better in poorer states because nobody send their kids to private school. So most of top kids are in govt school. And not to mentioned parents in poorer state have more time to spend with their kids, as a result, their kids do better in school.

It’s not about producing smart student or not. If you’re born smart, no matter which school you’re born, you will remain smart.

For me having many separate school system is a cause of racism. I am not just talking about only vernacular school, all kind of sekolah agama also to be blamed. Vernacular school and sekolah agama should be fully privatized and cut from government’s funding. Any school wishes to remain funded by the govt should subscribe to the streamlined syllabus.

And to make things simple, just go back to our penjajah and borrow their education system and syllabus and implement it here. Afterall IGCSE have a much much easier syllabus compared to what we have now. O-level will be a piece of cake for average student in Malaysia. It’s not like we are not used to copying, most “malaysian standards” are 90% copied from “british standards”.

And at higher education level also, everything should be revamp. Anything MARA related should be open up to everyone, based on merit, but financial merit should have more weight, which means kids of B40 regardless of race should be the priority. And also streamline all post SPM education, either everyone go to matriculation or everyone go to STPM. No multiple confusing system. But some university’s foundation course can remain provided the course is tailored to the degree course that the specific student will read later. Otherwise, general foundation courses should be scrap and everyone goes to general post SPM courses.

TLDR: remove everything R&R based. Streamline everything.