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> I am so sicked of those calling menghapuskan SRJK

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KineticKill
post Jan 4 2020, 09:13 AM

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This tered still alive?

Abolish everything la. Vernacular, religious, all. Single-stream school for all, English teaching medium for STEM subjects and the rest in Malay. Compulsory beginner Mandarin and Tamil and elective for more advanced level. Ban private schools except for non-PR immigrants.

Done.
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post Jan 5 2020, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 4 2020, 04:23 AM)
Beats me why some ppl still thinks mixing everyone in the same school and magically, somehow, we will achieve unity. Makan in toilet during puasa, separate cups for muslim children and nons, and to a certain extend closing the whole canteen during puasa (non muslims no need to eat also during puasa is it? This never happened during my time in sk), all these happens in vernacular school is it? Look at those jamal red shirts, look at those shouting bossku, look at those shouting racial hates and threats in social media, they all also coming from vernacular school is it?

Its not the school, its the system, idiots  doh.gif

And for all the supposedly superior single stream school etc etc. I have asked this question many times yet have never received any answer:

Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools? Can anybody answer this?

Give a superior quality of education and you don't even need to abolish vernacular schools, they will die off by themselves from low enrollment. In the 70s-80s, vernacular schools almost died off because national schools were perceived to be equal or even slightly superior than vernacular schools. Today, how many national schools can you honestly say is genuinely superior than vernacular schools?

You force ppl away from national schools with low education quality, religion (mahathir himself says national schools are like sekolah agama now) and racism. Instead of fixing this to attract ppl back, lets do a short cut, abolish the vernacular schools so everybody have no choice but can only go to 1 national schools. Lets call it unity  doh.gif
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No. Vernacular and religious schools have overstayed their welcome. Not because they’re necessarily bad nor producing bad students, but the time has come to merge all and improve all.

No ifs no buts.

This post has been edited by KineticKill: Jan 5 2020, 08:02 AM
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post Jan 5 2020, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 4 2020, 02:41 PM)
Actually SBPs have been churning out great results for the past few decades. I still don't understand why it has been overlooked everyone.

Check out SPM. The top schools are SBPs and MRSMs. No other school come even close to matching them
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This is true. Using SPM as benchmark, no other type of school comes close. What we need to do now is upgrade the level of SPM and STPM to international level so that one day there’d be no need for UEC here.

And merge them all, the schools.
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post Jan 5 2020, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(DarkAeon @ Jan 5 2020, 01:21 AM)
and u r making this decision for the rest of us? how about no
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Eh, maybe not me. But I hope someday there’d be a leader ballsy enough to do it. Jumpstart the whole thing.
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post Jan 5 2020, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 5 2020, 01:49 AM)
Why are you taking away something good and force everyone to go to something inferior. You close down vernacular schools , it will just turn more parents to private, international and home schools. Even today a lot of parents are moving to such schools as they deemed vernacular schools are not good enough. If you force only 1 type of schools, you’ll force a lot of parents to take their children out of government controlled system. In 20 or 30 years time, the same argument will arise again. Why SK was the school of choice for non-Malay parents in the 60’s, 70’s and even 80’s when BM was the medium of instructional?
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Jan 4 2020, 02:13 AM)
This tered still alive?

Abolish everything la. Vernacular, religious, all. Single-stream school for all, English teaching medium for STEM subjects and the rest in Malay. Compulsory beginner Mandarin and Tamil and elective for more advanced level. Ban private schools except for non-PR immigrants.

Done.
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No private/international/home schools for Malaysians. Only for non-PR immigrants. Parents taking their children away from govt education system? Jail time for child neglect, just like what we should do for parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.

Do as per my suggestion, in 20 years there’d be no more barking from any quarter.

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post Jan 5 2020, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 02:35 AM)
Read again my post, carefully this time.

And btw, like it or not, vernacular schools and sekolah agama are protected by the constitution, so all these hapuskan sekolah vernakular hapuskan sekolah agama are moot in the very 1st place
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No. You’ve been duped.

https://m.malaysiakini.com/columns/389151

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“Whether vernacular schools are part of our rich cultural mosaic or a hindrance to national unity are open questions. What is important is that though not provided for in the constitution, they are recognised by the Education Act 1996. The Act in Section 28 allows ‘national type’ schools to exist and to conduct instruction in a language other than Malay. The Act also allows private educational institutions to exist under section 73 and gives them considerable autonomy.”

That means vernacular schools can be abolished by an amendment to the Education Act which requires just a simple majority of the legislature compared to the two-thirds majority required to amend the constitution.


Read the constitution properly.
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post Jan 5 2020, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(dagnarus @ Jan 5 2020, 02:33 AM)
Since DAP is a proponent of Malaysian Malaysia, they are well placed to do this, but you think they will kacau SJK? You know and I know they won't, lol.  So, are they hypocrites then? They are, like the other side, politicians. They'll do whatever they can to stay in power. That comes above all. Period. But Macais will come plotek big time.
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Now you’re asking the right questions. One of the reasons DAP has a hard time shaking the image of “parti cina” is exactly this; they derive their power from ethnic Chinese base. They are still afraid to realise the actual meaning of Malaysian Malaysia because that would mean alienating their power base.

Politicians will always be politicians. It’s up to us to advance worthy causes that transcend race and religion.
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post Jan 5 2020, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 02:51 AM)
Read again your own post:
Also, read again my post and try to understand why the bolded parts
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You mentioned constitution. Education Act is not constitution. It can be amended with a simple majority. Do you even know what a constitution is?

I read your points. No need to beat around the bush, because sooner or later, another problem would pop out. Then another. Then some more.

What we need is a hard reset. With reducing political power of non-Malays and degradation of religious schools standard, it’s high time to abolish vernacular and religious schools, as per my point.

Single-stream all the way.
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post Jan 5 2020, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(RagingBalls @ Jan 5 2020, 03:00 AM)
The reason why the 60s, 70s & 80s was the preferred choice to enrol in sk was because the RnR concept hasn't entered the edu sector yet. It seems it was in the late 90s this took place. We still had meritocracy back then. Teachers were from ALL races. The HMs were from ALL races. You can only occupy the HM post if you're good and proven. Those days are long gone with the influx of the RnR concept and along with it also the standard of education in sk. So it's a natural thing for parents to be attracted to vernacular schools which was not so during the 60s, 70s & 80s. Unless the sk gets back to what it was before i.e. getting out the RnR concept and returning to meritocracy - which is very very very unlikely as the damage is too deep and too fatalistic at this point - there's no way it can attract the nons parents anytime soon.
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This is true. By combining all schools into a single system, we can unify parents’ voices to push the govt to do the right thing and remove rnr aspects from education system.

All Malaysians want the best for the next generation. If we continue to give leeway to govt to do as they please by allowing vernacular and religious schools to exist so that don’t have to deal with parents’ demands, then nothing will change.
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post Jan 5 2020, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 03:11 AM)
Like I asked so many times previously:
Why can't you go ahead and convert all national schools to single stream school, upgrade the teachers & education standards FIRST then only look at vernacular schools? Why die die must abolish vernacular schools first THEN only talk about single stream schools?

And what is this about reducing political power of non-malays? They are not malaysian citizens? Only malays are entitled to rule this nation? rclxub.gif
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Then you’d give Malays the excuse to refuse it. Conversion of vernacular and religious schools are not that difficult; most funding and staffing already come from federal. Just need to unify the system and syllabus.

You seem naive when talking about politics and political influence. Non-Malay population is shrinking and with it, their political power. Soon their affairs would have very little bearings on govt policies.
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post Jan 5 2020, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 03:26 AM)
Why should malays refuse it when we're upgrading the existing sk to better than before?

So in a hypothetical scenario, if lets say the non malay has the experience and qualification, but because he comes from minority race, therefore he has no right to enter politics and govern the country? Is that what you say?
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I’ve told you my suggestion. That will help improve the education when single-stream comes. I’m not gonna repeat it again.

Not only you show inability to understand the constitution and how it works, you also fail to grasp how politics work. Politics care little about experience and qualification. It’s not a job where you come in and interview. It’s the art of influencing people. Anyone can enter politics, but even with great qualifications and experience, if you fail to attract voters you’re still a shit politician.

Are you a vernacular school product? Did they not teach you how govt works? How politics work? How legislature works?

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post Jan 5 2020, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 04:03 AM)
And I've already told you the problems and question. I'm not gonna repeat it again either.
And this here is the tragedy. Seems like experience and qualification does not work here, but rnr. If the best way to attract majority of the votes is by playing rnr, then don't blame the minority for resisting or leaving. Sure, you can force everything through like what you suggested, just be aware that you are advocating tyranny & apartheid
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That’s how politics work in every country. A good politicians should know how to attract voters whilst simultaneously lead them forward to better future. This is not a tragedy.

You don’t necessarily have to play rnr issues to become good politician and obtain votes. Blaming other people and rnr issues for your own failings to obtain people’s support shows that politician is an incompetent one.

How is unifying education system promotes tyranny and apartheid? People who disagree can go and cry their eyes out during UN Assembly for the loss of vernacular and religious schools. See how many people will care.
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post Jan 5 2020, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 5 2020, 04:29 AM)
lel, you don't go around the ground or read about the opposition don't you  laugh.gif

Unifying education system is not tyranny or apartheid. Your method on how to go about it is
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And I stand by what I said. You don’t necessarily have to play on rnr issues to become good politician. If you think descending to their level is your thing, then go do it.

Again, people who protest can go cry their eyes out at UN Assembly. When the time comes, go cry and tell the world how the tyrannical and apartheid govt of Malaysia is abolishing vernacular and religious schools to unify the education system.

Go on, do it.
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post Jan 5 2020, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 5 2020, 04:45 AM)
In the minds of many brainwashed melayus, this is indeed their opinion.

You mean like Ahok in Indonesia?
This is like the situation in the US. Democrats are playing up RnR issues because they don't have any effective solution to help all Americans. Trump has the solutions to make American great again, and he is doing a fine job, but he is Republican and has values distinctively opposed to Democrats.

So the Democrats have NO CHOICE but to play up on RnR issues because that's their platform over the last 80 years, and dumb populace lap it up because of the left winged mainstream media.

This is similar to what is happening to this country. Except in exchange for freedom and Constitution loving Republicans, you get a PAP-like DAP, which isn't that great either.
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This is the current political situation here. Like it or not, we have to adapt and attempt to change it when in power, not perpetuating the same mistakes.

Some people cannot read the room. They charge into every problem guns blazing. They fail to understand nuances and local norms. Yet they blame others for their eventual failings.

One of the reasons why British colonialism was quite successful here is the Brits actually take their time to understand local populace’s culture, norms and religions and use the knowledge to their advantage. Those who charged in blindly got killed. See: JWW Birch.
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post Jan 5 2020, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(MAGAMan-X @ Jan 5 2020, 05:14 AM)
The political situation is a reflection of the mindset of the populace. We're not living in commie China or Stalin's Russia. If people don't want something, politicians will be unable to push it forcefully thanks to the Democratic system the Brits left for us. But like any other good thing that is given to msians, they will break it.

So it's time for msians to take a long good look in the mirror if they want to know why politicians behave this way.
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That I agree. Politics is always the reflection of the populace, at least in a democratic country. Politicians can and should help nudge the population towards the right direction. This is their job: to help raykat see his vision and bring them together to work for it.

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