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post Feb 8 2019, 11:13 AM

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drive morning 6am to 10am, morning 6-7am not bad, all high fare and can choose like boss...

after 9am, demand is low, last trip is near my house, so just call it a day. too many drivers and low demand.. crap even encourage rider to book a rider by indicate' grab now while the fare is low'...
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Feb 8 2019, 09:53 AM)
Isn't that a good thing? A friend of mine who drives fast has 4.95+ rating. I assume passengers would prefer reaching their destinations sooner.
thanks for the suggestion
thanks bro. So are you based in jb?
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post Feb 8 2019, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Feb 8 2019, 09:53 AM)
Isn't that a good thing? A friend of mine who drives fast has 4.95+ rating. I assume passengers would prefer reaching their destinations sooner.
thanks for the suggestion
thanks bro. So are you based in jb?
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It depends on how fast you are used to drive in the city.

In KL, 80kmh is considered fast enough. In JB, that is too slow 😂

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AegonTagaryen
post Feb 8 2019, 08:53 PM

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Hello all. I'm a new driver in Klang Valley.
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post Feb 8 2019, 10:19 PM

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Rm5 job from Pavillion to MRT 500 meters away and Airport job RM65 without boost. What The Fatt is that during peanut jam at 7pm? tongue.gif

Then took job after 30 second pause took a job with boost and demand surge which is Rm33 for 10km ride home. rclxm9.gif
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post Feb 8 2019, 10:53 PM

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https://www.grab.com/my/blog/driver/car/teh-tarik-6-summary/

Positive Ratings Never Go Unnoticed

We always take a driver-partner’s positive ratings into consideration before we take any disciplinary action. In addition, Driver Rating plays a huge part in terms of determining your monthly status for GrabAllStars. The better the status, the better the reward

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We are working on enhancements to the queue which will protect driver-partners who complete short-distance trips. Stay tuned for further updates!
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post Feb 8 2019, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(bojed @ Feb 8 2019, 06:20 PM)
It depends on how fast you are used to drive in the city.

In KL, 80kmh is considered fast enough. In JB, that is too slow 😂
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Here we have all straight highway roads thats why 100+ is a norm🤣
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post Feb 8 2019, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(birdman8 @ Feb 8 2019, 10:53 PM)
https://www.grab.com/my/blog/driver/car/teh-tarik-6-summary/

Positive Ratings Never Go Unnoticed

We always take a driver-partner’s positive ratings into consideration before we take any disciplinary action. In addition, Driver Rating plays a huge part in terms of determining your monthly status for GrabAllStars. The better the status, the better the reward

KLIA Queue

We are working on enhancements to the queue which will protect driver-partners who complete short-distance trips. Stay tuned for further updates!
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Grab still dare not implement passenger rating. Driver able to rate passenger just like Uber.
Well, passenger is always right for Grab anyway and they scared to lose all the customers.
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post Feb 8 2019, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 8 2019, 11:27 PM)
Grab still dare not implement passenger rating. Driver able to rate passenger just like Uber.
Well, passenger is always right for Grab anyway and they scared to lose all the customers.
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Well, in our laporan pernilaian mingguan, the drivers average is always 4.91. So if our rating is below that or about the same, they can ban us if receive rider complaints by counterclaimed that our 4.8 ~4.9 rating is nothing to shout about. LOL

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post Feb 9 2019, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 8 2019, 11:27 PM)
Grab still dare not implement passenger rating. Driver able to rate passenger just like Uber.
Well, passenger is always right for Grab anyway and they scared to lose all the customers.
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Without these riders, drivers are nothing yaaa......kang dapur tak berasap

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post Feb 9 2019, 09:35 AM

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After 21 days of driving in January, here is the result.

Period driven
January 1 to January 31

Gross Earning (according to Grab statement)
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM749.05
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM783.55
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM779.80
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM551.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM729.10

Total = RM3,593.36

Commission paid to Grab
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM140.40
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM148.80
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM145.65
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM106.20
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM140.20

Total = RM681.25

Petrol paid
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM145.71
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM94.92
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM86.49
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM96.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM166.37

Total = RM590.35

T&G top up
Dec 31 to Jan 6 =
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM100.00
Jan 14 to Jan 20 =
Jan 21 to Jan 27 =
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM150.00

Total = RM250.00

Misc
Car tint = RM200.00
Radio fix = RM60.00

Total RM 260.00

PnL
Gross earning (RM3,593.36) - Costs (RM1,781.60) = RM1,811.76 (50.42%)

From there, deduct RM1k as emergency saving, then the rest are to spend on food

Not going to drive February at all because of planned vacation to Hanoi biggrin.gif so yeah, based on this, I think driving Grab full time is reasonable if you don't have loan commitments, isn't looking to get rich quick, and value flexibility of time.

I did achieve the main goal of driving Grab instead of full time employment, which is spending more quality time with wife. There are still some concerns about doing this for the next couple years, but we'll decide after Grab announce the PSV thing, as in how they will go about it

Currently the decision is resume driving Grab full time in March after done with vacation biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(destiny6 @ Feb 9 2019, 09:28 AM)
Without these riders, drivers are nothing yaaa......kang dapur tak berasap
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Haha true laugh.gif

QUOTE(Grabtology @ Feb 9 2019, 09:35 AM)
After 21 days of driving in January, here is the result.

Period driven
January 1 to January 31

Gross Earning (according to Grab statement)
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM749.05
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM783.55
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM779.80
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM551.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM729.10

Total = RM3,593.36

Commission paid to Grab
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM140.40
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM148.80
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM145.65
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM106.20
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM140.20

Total = RM681.25

Petrol paid
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM145.71
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM94.92
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM86.49
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM96.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM166.37

Total = RM590.35

T&G top up
Dec 31 to Jan 6 =
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM100.00
Jan 14 to Jan 20 =
Jan 21 to Jan 27 =
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM150.00

Total = RM250.00

Misc
Car tint = RM200.00
Radio fix = RM60.00

Total RM 260.00

PnL
Gross earning (RM3,593.36) - Costs (RM1,781.60) = RM1,811.76 (50.42%)

From there, deduct RM1k as emergency saving, then the rest are to spend on food

Not going to drive February at all because of planned vacation to Hanoi biggrin.gif so yeah, based on this, I think driving Grab full time is reasonable if you don't have loan commitments, isn't looking to get rich quick, and value flexibility of time.

I did achieve the main goal of driving Grab instead of full time employment, which is spending more quality time with wife. There are still some concerns about doing this for the next couple years, but we'll decide after Grab announce the PSV thing, as in how they will go about it

Currently the decision is resume driving Grab full time in March after done with vacation biggrin.gif
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Haha well said rclxms.gif
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post Feb 9 2019, 10:41 AM

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post Feb 9 2019, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Grabtology @ Feb 9 2019, 09:35 AM)
After 21 days of driving in January, here is the result.

Period driven
January 1 to January 31

Gross Earning (according to Grab statement)
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM749.05
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM783.55
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM779.80
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM551.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM729.10

Total = RM3,593.36

Commission paid to Grab
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM140.40
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM148.80
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM145.65
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM106.20
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM140.20

Total = RM681.25

Petrol paid
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM145.71
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM94.92
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM86.49
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM96.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM166.37

Total = RM590.35

T&G top up
Dec 31 to Jan 6 =
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM100.00
Jan 14 to Jan 20 =
Jan 21 to Jan 27 =
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM150.00

Total = RM250.00

Misc
Car tint = RM200.00
Radio fix = RM60.00

Total RM 260.00

PnL
Gross earning (RM3,593.36) - Costs (RM1,781.60) = RM1,811.76 (50.42%)

From there, deduct RM1k as emergency saving, then the rest are to spend on food

Not going to drive February at all because of planned vacation to Hanoi biggrin.gif so yeah, based on this, I think driving Grab full time is reasonable if you don't have loan commitments, isn't looking to get rich quick, and value flexibility of time.

I did achieve the main goal of driving Grab instead of full time employment, which is spending more quality time with wife. There are still some concerns about doing this for the next couple years, but we'll decide after Grab announce the PSV thing, as in how they will go about it

Currently the decision is resume driving Grab full time in March after done with vacation biggrin.gif
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u macam easily satisfied
toll is paid by riders unless U forget to key in
when drive full times, maintenance costs going up a lot as well

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post Feb 9 2019, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(Grabtology @ Feb 9 2019, 09:35 AM)
After 21 days of driving in January, here is the result.

Period driven
January 1 to January 31

Gross Earning (according to Grab statement)
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM749.05
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM783.55
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM779.80
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM551.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM729.10

Total = RM3,593.36

Commission paid to Grab
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM140.40
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM148.80
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM145.65
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM106.20
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM140.20

Total = RM681.25

Petrol paid
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM145.71
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM94.92
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM86.49
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM96.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM166.37

Total = RM590.35

T&G top up
Dec 31 to Jan 6 =
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM100.00
Jan 14 to Jan 20 =
Jan 21 to Jan 27 =
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM150.00

Total = RM250.00

Misc
Car tint = RM200.00
Radio fix = RM60.00

Total RM 260.00

PnL
Gross earning (RM3,593.36) - Costs (RM1,781.60) = RM1,811.76 (50.42%)

From there, deduct RM1k as emergency saving, then the rest are to spend on food

Not going to drive February at all because of planned vacation to Hanoi biggrin.gif so yeah, based on this, I think driving Grab full time is reasonable if you don't have loan commitments, isn't looking to get rich quick, and value flexibility of time.

I did achieve the main goal of driving Grab instead of full time employment, which is spending more quality time with wife. There are still some concerns about doing this for the next couple years, but we'll decide after Grab announce the PSV thing, as in how they will go about it

Currently the decision is resume driving Grab full time in March after done with vacation biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Feb 9 2019, 10:45 AM)
u macam easily satisfied
toll is paid by riders unless U forget to key in
when drive full times, maintenance costs going up a lot as well
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I agree with bcombat. How about meal per day? How about your car installment? Insurance and road tax? That alone belum masuk your living expenses and other commitments.

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post Feb 9 2019, 03:37 PM

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Today the best day to rest for the whole cny week. Super hot weather + low fare + low demand + police block everywhere. Aircond must at max level else rating will drop, mostly rugi jobs although traffic very clear. Rather sleep at home or lepak inside shopping mall.
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post Feb 9 2019, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Grabtology @ Feb 9 2019, 09:35 AM)
After 21 days of driving in January, here is the result.

Period driven
January 1 to January 31

Gross Earning (according to Grab statement)
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM749.05
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM783.55
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM779.80
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM551.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM729.10

Total = RM3,593.36

Commission paid to Grab
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM140.40
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM148.80
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM145.65
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM106.20
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM140.20

Total = RM681.25

Petrol paid
Dec 31 to Jan 6 = RM145.71
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM94.92
Jan 14 to Jan 20 = RM86.49
Jan 21 to Jan 27 = RM96.86
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM166.37

Total = RM590.35

T&G top up
Dec 31 to Jan 6 =
Jan 7 to Jan 13 = RM100.00
Jan 14 to Jan 20 =
Jan 21 to Jan 27 =
Jan 28 to Feb 3 = RM150.00

Total = RM250.00

Misc
Car tint = RM200.00
Radio fix = RM60.00

Total RM 260.00

PnL
Gross earning (RM3,593.36) - Costs (RM1,781.60) = RM1,811.76 (50.42%)

From there, deduct RM1k as emergency saving, then the rest are to spend on food

Not going to drive February at all because of planned vacation to Hanoi biggrin.gif so yeah, based on this, I think driving Grab full time is reasonable if you don't have loan commitments, isn't looking to get rich quick, and value flexibility of time.

I did achieve the main goal of driving Grab instead of full time employment, which is spending more quality time with wife. There are still some concerns about doing this for the next couple years, but we'll decide after Grab announce the PSV thing, as in how they will go about it

Currently the decision is resume driving Grab full time in March after done with vacation biggrin.gif
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RM3500 don't look reasonable at all for me if I was a full timer.

I rather get a full time office job and do grab as part time.

Now that sounds more then reasonable enough.
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post Feb 9 2019, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin871989 @ Feb 9 2019, 04:08 PM)
RM3500 don't look reasonable at all for me if I was a full timer.

I rather get a full time office job and do grab as part time.

Now that sounds more then reasonable enough.
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In the first place, why are you a Grab driver (assuming everyone posting here drives Grab)?

You want to be rich? You want to be your own boss? As so many pointed out, there are so many other better businesses you can do, instead of being a lembu for Grab. So why are you a Grab driver still?

If Grab is so unprofitable and makes you unhappy, why still drive?

Because life is unfair and you got dealt a bad hand? Because if you don't drive, then dapur tak berasap, bini/anak mati kebuluran? Because the world owes you a living? Because you got 9 years car loan and 30 years house loan?

If your answer is yes to any of the question above, I got bad news for you: life don't get better automatically just because you think it should be. You need to be willing to change and work for it. The most important change is your mindset and approach to life.

Which brings us to this question: what is a "better" life?

Why did I decide to drive Grab?

My reason is because I'm at a stage of my life where I value time flexibility more than any potential income I can make.

Yes, a full time job will give you so much more income, on top of paid annual leave, paid medical leave, EPF, SOCSO, etc. It also means you work according to the schedule and expectation given.

So now I earn a lot less, I don't get thousands of EPF contribution every month, no one else will foot my medical bill if I get a fever.

But I feel better and happier. I eat significantly cheaper and healthy food because now I have time to make them. I exercise every morning and sleep at the same time every night. I don't have to worry about getting call from boss for emergency at midnight.

Instead of cursing customers if they demand to be fetched/sent inside condo area so theoretically I lose money over that extra distance, or getting so angry about getting ikan bilis fare, I just shrug and smile and help people get to where they want to go. Then I report the ride to Grab if necessary. Then move on. There are better things in life to think about.

When my wife wants to attend an event on a weekday, we'll just attend it, instead of stressing about if I can get leave approved. Heck, we took the entire February off for vacation, which is something never possible if I'm still in a job.

So, why are you in your current job? Are you happy doing what you are doing now? If no, then it's time to reevaluate your entire self. Sometimes, all it takes is just a change of mindset, without any other modification to any other aspect of your life, to suddenly feel better about what is possible for your future.

It's time to start thinking more than just the amount of salary you get get.

QUOTE(AegonTagaryen @ Feb 9 2019, 02:38 PM)
I agree with bcombat. How about meal per day? How about your car installment? Insurance and road tax? That alone belum masuk your living expenses and other commitments.
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Feb 9 2019, 10:45 AM)
u macam easily satisfied
toll is paid by riders unless U forget to key in
when drive full times, maintenance costs going up a lot as well
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I don't know about you all eat, but RM800 is more than enough eating for a whole month for me. Putting away 1K per month is more than enough for regular maintenance or road tax or insurance. Again, maybe you all drive Ferrari, so saving 1K a month for it is definitely not enough.

No loan at all, got investments in stocks and unit trusts that are doing okay because I put all my money into bonds and dividend funds. Not great until 300% profit, but it's enough to grow capital by 4 to 6% every year

As for the calculation of toll, Grab counts it toward your collected gross, and you need to pay TnG for top up. So accounting wise, it has to be shown even though they cancel each other out.

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QUOTE(Grabtology @ Feb 9 2019, 04:46 PM)
In the first place, why are you a Grab driver (assuming everyone posting here drives Grab)?

You want to be rich? You want to be your own boss? As so many pointed out, there are so many other better businesses you can do, instead of being a lembu for Grab. So why are you a Grab driver still?

If Grab is so unprofitable and makes you unhappy, why still drive?

Because life is unfair and you got dealt a bad hand? Because if you don't drive, then dapur tak berasap, bini/anak mati kebuluran? Because the world owes you a living? Because you got 9 years car loan and 30 years house loan?

If your answer is yes to any of the question above, I got bad news for you: life don't get better automatically just because you think it should be. You need to be willing to change and work for it. The most important change is your mindset and approach to life.

Which brings us to this question: what is a "better" life?

Why did I decide to drive Grab?

My reason is because I'm at a stage of my life where I value time flexibility more than any potential income I can make.

Yes, a full time job will give you so much more income, on top of paid annual leave, paid medical leave, EPF, SOCSO, etc. It also means you work according to the schedule and expectation given.

So now I earn a lot less, I don't get thousands of EPF contribution every month, no one else will foot my medical bill if I get a fever.

But I feel better and happier. I eat significantly cheaper and healthy food because now I have time to make them. I exercise every morning and sleep at the same time every night. I don't have to worry about getting call from boss for emergency at midnight.

Instead of cursing customers if they demand to be fetched/sent inside condo area so theoretically I lose money over that extra distance, or getting so angry about getting ikan bilis fare, I just shrug and smile and help people get to where they want to go. Then I report the ride to Grab if necessary. Then move on. There are better things in life to think about.

When my wife wants to attend an event on a weekday, we'll just attend it, instead of stressing about if I can get leave approved. Heck, we took the entire February off for vacation, which is something never possible if I'm still in a job.

So, why are you in your current job? Are you happy doing what you are doing now? If no, then it's time to reevaluate your entire self. Sometimes, all it takes is just a change of mindset, without any other modification to any other aspect of your life, to suddenly feel better about what is possible for your future.

It's time to start thinking more than just the amount of salary you get get.
I don't know about you all eat, but RM800 is more than enough eating for a whole month for me. Putting away 1K per month is more than enough for regular maintenance or road tax or insurance. Again, maybe you all drive Ferrari, so saving 1K a month for it is definitely not enough.

No loan at all, got investments in stocks and unit trusts that are doing okay because I put all my money into bonds and dividend funds. Not great until 300% profit, but it's enough to grow capital by 4 to 6% every year

As for the calculation of toll, Grab counts it toward your collected gross, and you need to pay TnG for top up. So accounting wise, it has to be shown even though they cancel each other out.
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Great speech..sounds just like someone who had just driven grab for only 1 month 😂

But I applaud your focus and I sincerely hope this works out for you.

Cheers

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QUOTE(Grabtology @ Feb 9 2019, 04:46 PM)
In the first place, why are you a Grab driver (assuming everyone posting here drives Grab)?

You want to be rich? You want to be your own boss? As so many pointed out, there are so many other better businesses you can do, instead of being a lembu for Grab. So why are you a Grab driver still?

If Grab is so unprofitable and makes you unhappy, why still drive?

Because life is unfair and you got dealt a bad hand? Because if you don't drive, then dapur tak berasap, bini/anak mati kebuluran? Because the world owes you a living? Because you got 9 years car loan and 30 years house loan?

If your answer is yes to any of the question above, I got bad news for you: life don't get better automatically just because you think it should be. You need to be willing to change and work for it. The most important change is your mindset and approach to life.

Which brings us to this question: what is a "better" life?

Why did I decide to drive Grab?

My reason is because I'm at a stage of my life where I value time flexibility more than any potential income I can make.

Yes, a full time job will give you so much more income, on top of paid annual leave, paid medical leave, EPF, SOCSO, etc. It also means you work according to the schedule and expectation given.

So now I earn a lot less, I don't get thousands of EPF contribution every month, no one else will foot my medical bill if I get a fever.

But I feel better and happier. I eat significantly cheaper and healthy food because now I have time to make them. I exercise every morning and sleep at the same time every night. I don't have to worry about getting call from boss for emergency at midnight.

Instead of cursing customers if they demand to be fetched/sent inside condo area so theoretically I lose money over that extra distance, or getting so angry about getting ikan bilis fare, I just shrug and smile and help people get to where they want to go. Then I report the ride to Grab if necessary. Then move on. There are better things in life to think about.

When my wife wants to attend an event on a weekday, we'll just attend it, instead of stressing about if I can get leave approved. Heck, we took the entire February off for vacation, which is something never possible if I'm still in a job.

So, why are you in your current job? Are you happy doing what you are doing now? If no, then it's time to reevaluate your entire self. Sometimes, all it takes is just a change of mindset, without any other modification to any other aspect of your life, to suddenly feel better about what is possible for your future.

It's time to start thinking more than just the amount of salary you get get.
I don't know about you all eat, but RM800 is more than enough eating for a whole month for me. Putting away 1K per month is more than enough for regular maintenance or road tax or insurance. Again, maybe you all drive Ferrari, so saving 1K a month for it is definitely not enough.

No loan at all, got investments in stocks and unit trusts that are doing okay because I put all my money into bonds and dividend funds. Not great until 300% profit, but it's enough to grow capital by 4 to 6% every year

As for the calculation of toll, Grab counts it toward your collected gross, and you need to pay TnG for top up. So accounting wise, it has to be shown even though they cancel each other out.
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LOL why so serious ? drive for less then a month only then become serious like this ?

I have no interest in replying to your full speech but lets see how far you can go as a full timer.

oh and by the way im not a lembu, i just drive when im free.

sorry to say but the lembu you are referring to are full timers ONLY.

so please know the differences between part time and full time lembu.

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