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post Aug 8 2017, 10:25 AM

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Personally I feel changing % allocation in asset class is better than keeping it in cash.

In booming period 90% equities 10% bond/FI.
at 10 year period 70% equities 30% bond/FI.
-5% of equity portion for every year a crash has not happen after 10 years.



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post Aug 8 2017, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 8 2017, 10:22 AM)
I don't wanna target you man. I am not gonna be an asshole but I am just pointing out that when you advise to keep cash in preparation for a crash, many would think it would be a very liquid entity. then suddenly you say you park in amanah saham.

so now people are questioning your plan.

kejap FSM.
kejap FSM SG
kejap SG reit
kejap ASx
Kejap Forex.

Hence why you being attacked personally because you make no sense and at the same time insist to advise people.

my two cents.
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Come come. I clear your mind
Amanah saham - parking place. Anytime I want to liquidate, I can get back my money. No need few days. Even if I sell all, they will give me back all my money
FSM - going to liquidate everything.
FSM SG - never even have account with them
Phillip SG - transfer from FSM MY > Phillip SG (hence my portfolio will be all SG UT)
S-reits + S counters - slowly building my holdings. This is my main engine to generate free SGD (I can use the dividend given to buy more shares or throw it into Phillip SG)
Forex - never

Clear?

QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 8 2017, 10:25 AM)
Personally I  feel changing % allocation in asset class is better than keeping it in cash.

In booming period 90% equities 10% bond/FI.
at 10 year period 70% equities 30% bond/FI.
-5% of equity portion for every year a crash has not happen after 10 years.
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If -5% for every year that's there's no crash, shouldn't
at 10 year period, you will be holding 40% equities/60% bond?

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 8 2017, 10:31 AM
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post Aug 8 2017, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 8 2017, 10:26 AM)
Come come. I clear your mind
Amanah saham - parking place. Anytime I want to liquidate, I can get back my money. No need few days. Even if I sell all, they will give me back all my money
FSM - going to liquidate everything.
FSM SG - never even have account with them
Phillip SG - transfer from FSM MY > Phillip SG (hence my portfolio will be all SG UT)
S-reits + S counters - slowly building my holdings. This is my main engine to generate free SGD (I can use the dividend given to buy more shares or throw it into Phillip SG)
Forex - never

Clear?
If -5% for every year that's there's no crash, shouldn't
at 10 year period, you will be holding 40% equities/60% bond?
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The -5% starts after 10 years without any crash

This post has been edited by Drian: Aug 8 2017, 10:33 AM
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post Aug 8 2017, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 8 2017, 10:25 AM)
Personally I  feel changing % allocation in asset class is better than keeping it in cash.

In booming period 90% equities 10% bond/FI.
at 10 year period 70% equities 30% bond/FI.
-5% of equity portion for every year a crash has not happen after 10 years.
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In the first place are bonds able to survive a crash ?
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post Aug 8 2017, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 8 2017, 10:26 AM)
Come come. I clear your mind
Amanah saham - parking place. Anytime I want to liquidate, I can get back my money. No need few days. Even if I sell all, they will give me back all my money
FSM - going to liquidate everything.
FSM SG - never even have account with them
Phillip SG - transfer from FSM MY > Phillip SG (hence my portfolio will be all SG UT)
S-reits + S counters - slowly building my holdings. This is my main engine to generate free SGD (I can use the dividend given to buy more shares or throw it into Phillip SG)
Forex - never

Clear?
If -5% for every year that's there's no crash, shouldn't
at 10 year period, you will be holding 40% equities/60% bond?
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hehehe SG to myr bukan forex kah brother? anyways no harm no joke. as xuzen say we all here to talk kok
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post Aug 8 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 8 2017, 10:03 AM)
Go ahead. We see who will laugh to the bank when a crash comes. US (automobiles sales aren't great, US stocks are pricey, interest rate is low, uses of leverage is almost similar to before 2008), China is looking unstable. Let's see how the US or China going to rescue their economy this time around.

I will be prepared. I just need to wait. FOMO, that's real. But I rather have $$$ than FOMO. Know what you want. Do you want a measly 10% return one time or do you want a forever 10%+ dividend p.a/3 digit returns? I know what I want.
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Good luck with that kid. There will come a time of reflecting back on this for you. Time is a good teacher and an eye opener, and I accept that you are not yet able to appreciate the wisdom shared with you because you are simply not ready for it.

Ignorance is bliss, enjoy it while you can thumbup.gif
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post Aug 8 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Aug 7 2017, 10:10 PM)
Maybe it's time you guys push for a more healthy work culture.
I am a graduate architect, long working hours is like a norm in my line of work, even in uni...I was like that too. Sometimes didn't sleep for 2-3 days in a row.
My first job I used to work in a practice that has long hours, especially when we have to meet tight deadlines.
And unlike most jobs other jobs, almost all architecture practices I know of do not compensate pay for overtime.
Sometimes I also haven't seen sun for a week or so.
I can't find time to rest and live a normal healthy life, much less the time needed to study for my professional exam.
But realising this is actually a very bad habit and bad work culture. It wears you out and not helping with the work performance either.
After all it is time management issue, and people seemed to be getting nuts for working prolonged hours, and you are more actually less productive and more prone to be making errors. In the practice of architecture, errors are mostly reversible, perhaps not so much if it is a surgical practice.
Then I changed job, have a normal hours...work outcome is better, people also happier.
This is also partly attributed to the world-wide industry reform trying to eradicate the long hours culture in architecture. I believe the same should be done for medical profession too.
So, get the time management right and it will sort itself out.
New generations just don't hold grudges thinking "during my housemanship I endured this 48-hours shift thrice a week, and you newbies should suffer the same" mentality. Push for a better change.

Don't later end up money in the bank, but people in heaven (a chinese saying)
and time is also something you cannot buy with money
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QUOTE(Msxxyy @ Aug 7 2017, 10:35 PM)
Work life balance can come later. Getting ourselves trained in skill and knowledge by working more is necessary because if we are not equip with that, we might be putting risk in our patients ever single day. Though we can improve our time management, it does not mean that we can cut down our working time because the number of patients that seek medical care in government hospital is overflow as well.
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The newer gen docs is changing the bad culture from the past.
But once the old ideas haven't fade off, Pt also on danger. Docs tired, Pt dangers.
Docs health affected, what for?
That's what I say
The during my time ideas should be gone for good!

A healthy working environment provide better outcome!


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post Aug 8 2017, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Aug 8 2017, 10:52 AM)
In the first place are bonds able to survive a crash ?
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Depends on the ratings on the bond.
I'm pretty sure all A- to AAA rating bonds will be weather it.

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post Aug 8 2017, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Aug 8 2017, 10:52 AM)
In the first place are bonds able to survive a crash ?
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Depending on the company. Junk bonds/High yield bonds unlikely. In a crash, if a company file for bankruptcy, bond holders will get the proceed of the sales first, then follow by preferential shareholders and lastly common shareholders. There's a reason they are dishing out high coupon payment. More risk.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 8 2017, 10:55 AM)
hehehe SG to myr bukan forex kah brother? anyways no harm no joke. as xuzen say we all here to talk kok
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Nope. Why? Because long term RM will go down. Not to talk bad, but it's sad fact sad.gif Short term yes can consider main forex.

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post Aug 8 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 8 2017, 11:21 AM)

Nope. Why? Because long term RM will go down. Not to talk bad, but it's sad fact  sad.gif Short term yes can consider main forex.
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this noon is 1mdb payment due date. if they don't make it we are all fucked. you and me and everyone else. Bursa is going into the red as we are talking here. Bye bye myr.
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post Aug 8 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(Drian @ Aug 8 2017, 11:13 AM)
Depends on the ratings on the bond.
I'm pretty sure all A- to AAA rating bonds will be weather it.
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Hmm I would not be too sure. do you know that 1MDB related bond is AA2. Would you bet this is a solid investment?
Even gov bonds can default like Iceland or Greece.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 8 2017, 11:24 AM)
this noon is 1mdb payment due date. if they don't make it we are all fucked. you and me and everyone else. Bursa is going into the red as we are talking here. Bye bye myr.
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Really? Thanks for the news. But as someone said, BNM issue bond (almost same amount as what's needed)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=85863687
Issuance of Bonds nothing to do with raising funds for 1MDB.
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post Aug 8 2017, 11:26 AM

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...billion-in-cash

Is this what Ramjade is talking about?
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post Aug 8 2017, 11:27 AM

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errr guys, so if we placed money in CMF wont be affected much right? same as FD ?
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QUOTE(young_97 @ Aug 8 2017, 11:27 AM)
errr guys, so if we placed money in CMF wont be affected much right? same as FD ?
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Affected by what?

QUOTE(newdnewd @ Aug 8 2017, 11:26 AM)
Yeah. Something like that Plus this.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/05/warren-buff...sh-to-work.html

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post Aug 8 2017, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 8 2017, 11:27 AM)
Affected by what?
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he is asking how safe is CMF in the face of turbulence.

I would say it's as safe as savings account. if both are gone you will be sure that's a economic collapse there. that's the least of your problems.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 8 2017, 11:27 AM)
Affected by what?

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market crash
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post Aug 8 2017, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(young_97 @ Aug 8 2017, 11:31 AM)
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Yes. Think of CMF like FD. The only thing which will protect your money
- cold hard cash you keep under your pillow
- cash in bank account
- cash in FD
- cash in CMF
- cash in amanah saham fixed price fund
- cash in EPF

So have your pick which instrument you want to use. For me I pick both amanah saham fixed price fund and EPF.

The only thing which will give you very high returns during market crash
- Gold (provided you sell it)
- Safe currency (Swiss, Yen)

Everyone will flock to these 2.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 8 2017, 11:29 AM)
he is asking how safe is CMF in the face of turbulence.

I would say it's as safe as savings account. if both are gone you will be sure that's a economic collapse there. that's the least of your problems.
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I agree with this. But CMF doesn't protect against rising cost (if RM take a skydive).
- Ayam, cow feed also imported
- Fertiliser + pesticide also imported
- Wheat for making flour for roti/maggi also imported
- Your sardine, tuna are all imported.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Aug 8 2017, 11:39 AM
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post Aug 8 2017, 11:33 AM

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Long long time ago, someone mention, sorry forget who liao....

LYN - FSM thread has a higher than average number of professional or high income or potential to be high income people participating in it. And the last two days suddenly don't know from where, we have surgeons, GPs, Houseman etc, Architects or Accountant etc. all revealing themselves at once. (Ini macam crouching tiger, hidden dragon pulak!)

Looks like what that person said a long time ago is true.

OK, enough of syiok sendiri liao... go back and buat kerja, earn more and play UTF thumbsup.gif

Xuzen

p/s No Ramjade, not you, you are still a poor SOD / Kiam Siap Kwee. Go eat your Gardenia Sambal Ikan Bilis bun.


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To say when a crash, CFM is the least of your worries is true. But not many really cover the real risk. I would advise you to go youtube and watch the documentaries of the 2008 crash.

Even your money in the bank is not safe because it is the banks and financial institutions themselves that cause the crash by making unethical lending and trading debts. when it all crashed, people tried to withdraw their money from banks, and what happen ? Bank have no money because it is all being tied up in financial derivatives and no money to pay customer withdraw. So they shutdown entirely.

Banks can go down, investment company can go down, governments can go down and FSM, Manulife, AH, RHB, Eastpring sure as hell can go down too if they are reckless

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