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T231H
post Aug 4 2017, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 4 2017, 10:38 AM)
Actually your argument is invalid. If one looks at the past performance, they will not get on the same fund because the information compels them to stay away. One that invests in the future will always seek for the best hence the horse jumping.
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invalid?......alot of people it rely on the past performance to make decision biggrin.gif

If one looks at the past performance, they will not get on the same fund because the information compels them to stay away.
if the performance is superb? than how?

One that invests in the future will always seek for the best hence the horse jumping......
may end up buying high on a high PE valued sector/region/country...thus the chances of more % of incremental upside will be limited.

This post has been edited by T231H: Aug 4 2017, 10:49 AM
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post Aug 4 2017, 10:47 AM

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Jumping to the fastest running horse aka Best Perform Fund ends up with.

1. horse too tired n going to take a long rest aka Fund flats
2. horse continues running but not the fastest anymore.
3. horse continues running n still be the fastest.
4. The field is burnt n all the horse stop running.
etc
etc

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post Aug 4 2017, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Aug 4 2017, 10:45 AM)
More like if you ride on a performing horse, which is the history, it might be "spent" and hence tumble onto the ground.

People who change hourses, also get new refresh energy to move on further.

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that is How Value Investing Works In Unit Trusts?
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...it-Trusts--1592
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QUOTE(i1899 @ Aug 4 2017, 10:47 AM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif

Jumping to the fastest running horse aka Best Perform Fund ends up with.

1. horse too tired n going to take a long rest aka Fund flats
2. horse continues running but not the fastest anymore.
3. horse continues running n still be the fastest.
4. The field is burnt n all the horse stop running.
etc
etc
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I don't know what weed you smoking there brother but I'll have some because that is one crazy imagination there
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post Aug 4 2017, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Aug 4 2017, 10:45 AM)
invalid?......alot of people it rely on the past performance to make decision biggrin.gif

If one looks at the past performance, they will not get on the same fund because the information compels them to stay away.
if the performance is superb? than how?

One that invests in the future will always seek for the best hence the horse jumping......
may end up buying high on a high PE valued sector/region/country...thus the chances of more % of incremental upside will be limited.
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"expert" ppl AssUme-d mar
eg. unfortunately some investors may run from energy fund to ANOTHER energy fund...
let it go lor (queue Frozen's theme song tongue.gif )

also, if one jumps out just because down x% for y years WITHOUT any other data consideration.. that one = investor or main tikam?
IMHO - ignore lor

just thinking out lout - no absolute right/wrong ya notworthy.gif

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post Aug 4 2017, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Aug 4 2017, 10:48 AM)
I don't know what weed you smoking there brother but I'll have some because that is one crazy imagination there
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Y crazy imagination?
They are not imagination. Those are the real scenarios those are happening, happened and will happen on many "investors".

1. horse too tired n going to take a long rest aka Fund non perform after u join
2. horse continues running but not the fastest anymore.
3. horse continues running n still be the fastest.
4. The field is burnt n all the horse stop running. The market collapse, all fund invest in the same market also collapse

The problem here is not jumping horse or changing fund, the problem is what the criteria u used in choosing ur horse. If the method is wrong, you will continue in jumping horse again n again, without stop. if you method is correct, u wont jumping horse frequently.


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post Aug 4 2017, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Aug 4 2017, 08:57 AM)
The article talks about property sector. REITs is not directly comparable to property sector. Prop sector income comes from selling of the said property. REITS income comes from rental of the completed property. It is a fixed income / yield play. They should not be seen as the same.

BTW, REITS UTF has been on the best risk to reward top list since 3 quarters ago. Those who invested in Manureits are happy happy. Selina reits..... hmmmm, less happy.

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post Aug 4 2017, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Aug 4 2017, 03:46 PM)
The article talks about property sector. REITs is not directly comparable to property sector. Prop sector income comes from selling of the said property. REITS income comes from rental of the completed property. It is a fixed income / yield play. They should not be seen as the same.

BTW, REITS UTF has been on the best risk to reward top list since 3 quarters ago. Those who invested in Manureits are happy happy. Selina reits..... hmmmm, less happy.

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I see, i thought REIT is highly correlated to property price/sales biggrin.gif
Thank you sifu notworthy.gif

Was holding Selina REITs, not so happy sweat.gif then switch to Manu REITs around 2 months back, quite happy now laugh.gif
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QUOTE(funnyface @ Aug 4 2017, 04:19 PM)
I see, i thought REIT is highly correlated to property price/sales  biggrin.gif
Thank you sifu  notworthy.gif

Was holding Selina REITs, not so happy  sweat.gif  then switch to Manu REITs around 2 months back, quite happy now  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(funnyface @ Aug 4 2017, 04:19 PM)
I see, i thought REIT is highly correlated to property price/sales  biggrin.gif
Thank you sifu  notworthy.gif

Was holding Selina REITs, not so happy  sweat.gif  then switch to Manu REITs around 2 months back, quite happy now  laugh.gif
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Look like i plan to swap selina for manu reits. My selina i think been a while flat like KLIA airport.
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post Aug 5 2017, 03:39 AM

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Geeee...OMGsss
Luckily i stopped buying stocks by myself since 1990....after i was granted the wisdom to realise that i don't have the skill n emotional quality to pick n hold stocks ☺.
Luckily the moderately aggressive portfolios of unit trust funds that i had, had been performing much better than cash in fd for the past some years (even after minus the sales charges) ☺
But unluckily the value of my CASH that i had are literally being eaten away.....luckily i was again granted the wisdom to realised that before many others.☺
May the Almighty hand above please grant more people this wisdom to realise this.

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post Aug 5 2017, 07:25 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jul 30 2017, 09:08 PM)
try this.....hope it can helps....

Understanding Volatility and Sharpe Ratio in Unit Trust Investing
Familiar with the following two jargon in unit trust investing?
http://invest-made-easy.blogspot.my/2013/0...and-sharpe.html
Just curious, the volatility is based on the fund price, how the calculation will be impacted by the distribution?
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Aug 5 2017, 03:39 AM)
Geeee...OMGsss
Luckily i stopped buying stocks by myself since 1990....after i was granted the wisdom to realise that i don't have the skill n emotional quality to pick n hold stocks ☺.
Luckily the moderately aggressive portfolios of unit trust funds that i had, had been performing much better than cash in fd for the past some years (even after minus the sales charges) ☺
But unluckily the value of my CASH that i had are literally being eaten away.....luckily i was again granted the wisdom to realised that before many others.☺
May the Almighty hand above please grant more people this wisdom to realise this.
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A view from another perspective yo.
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I started with HK. Small player then. Only bot HSBC because of the Tainan Men square incident. You how much HSBC was then?
HKD4.5 per share. AND HKD:MYR was 3:1 then!

The above us not me regarding HSBC. There's no fund today which can beat that record provided you hold. tongue.gif

QUOTE(kkcc2288 @ Aug 5 2017, 07:25 AM)
Just curious, the volatility is based on the fund price, how the calculation will be impacted by the distribution?
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Ignore distribution as it's left pocket masuk right pocket.

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Ponzi 1.0 is not doing well also:

1-month simple ROI: -3.11%
3-month simple ROI: -2.79%

Selina REIT fund:

1-month simple ROI: +1.40%
3-month simple ROI: +1.76%

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post Aug 5 2017, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 5 2017, 09:03 AM)
Ponzi 1.0 is not doing well also:

1-month simple ROI: -3.11%
3-month simple ROI: -2.79%

Selina REIT fund:

1-month simple ROI: +1.40%
3-month simple ROI: +1.76%
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I think Malaysian funds or heavy Malaysian exposed funds are spent.

KGF, kapchai, even IDS, all are in 'maintenannce' mode. Fund managers are letting them performing correction and containing the big drops. Otherwise just wait for opportunity to strike back as election date is not announced yet.

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QUOTE(kkcc2288 @ Aug 5 2017, 07:25 AM)
Just curious, the volatility is based on the fund price, how the calculation will be impacted by the distribution?
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If they can plot chart n calculate fund's returns taking in to the distribution factor....can't they do that with the fund's volatility calculation?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Aug 5 2017, 09:28 AM)
I think Malaysian funds or heavy Malaysian exposed funds are spent.

KGF, kapchai, even IDS, all are in 'maintenannce' mode. Fund managers are letting it performing correction and containing the big drops. Otherwise just wait for opportunity to strike back as election date is not announced yet.
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This is a little irony for Malaysian market as always trading sideways while world stocks at all time high even tech counters have some bumpy rides.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 5 2017, 09:31 AM)
This is a little irony for Malaysian market as always trading sideways while world stocks at all time high even tech counters have some bumpy rides.
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Maybe...just maybe...that is how ASN FP funds managed to convince themself to justify giving "that" range of returns for so many years....ha-ha😅
Btw..sone m'suan focused funds had been superbly running well for the past many months already.....taking a rest for others to try to catch up😣
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 5 2017, 09:03 AM)
Ignore distribution as it's left pocket masuk right pocket.
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The distribution will make the price back to certain level again, so the volatility will be smaller?
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QUOTE(kkcc2288 @ Aug 5 2017, 01:03 PM)
The distribution will make the price back to certain level again, so the volatility will be smaller?
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When calculating volatility, must compensate the price with distribution given out. Can't just use the non-adjusted value.


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