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post Jul 28 2017, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Zero Correlation @ Jul 28 2017, 02:48 PM)
No mah, just trying to help you make more $$. Unit trust for speculation far less rewarding than stocks, options and commodities or exotic instruments. Would love to see you on those threads showing screenshots of big investments too  brows.gif
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If I need your help to make more money, I'd still be poor by now. Please show some competency in the subject matter of what you want to discuss.

For sure interpac is on down trend since i sold and it has registered 4 downs and 1 up day this whole week.

I don't believe in trading using unit trust. I do believe in rebalancing bi-annually to make sure ur money is deployed in the market that has most value.
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post Jul 28 2017, 11:01 PM

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Hi Folks!

We had some intereting discussion so far. I shall, over the weekend try to tinker with Algozen™ ver four and try to answer some pertinent questions, such as:

i) Is ManuReits better than Selina? Is Ramjade call better than the crystal - ball?

ii) Is Interpac Dana Safi (IDS) still worth to go in? IDS versus KGF, who wins?

iii) What should my portfolio consist off? Lu ala manyak wang kah? Apa lu mau beli?

So I will try to answer some of the above questions using my crystal - ball over the weekend....

Xuzen
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post Jul 28 2017, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 28 2017, 11:01 PM)
Hi Folks!

We had some intereting discussion so far. I shall, over the weekend try to tinker with Algozen™ ver four and try to answer some pertinent questions, such as:

i) Is ManuReits better than Selina? Is Ramjade call better than the crystal - ball?

ii) Is Interpac Dana Safi (IDS) still worth to go in? IDS versus KGF, who wins?

iii) What should my portfolio consist off? Lu ala manyak wang kah? Apa lu mau beli?

So I will try to answer some of the above questions using my crystal - ball over the weekend....

Xuzen
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Looking forward to your insightful info. But the biggest challenge of comparing KGF vs IDS is, one has a long history of useful data and another has only 7 months of meaningful data.
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post Jul 28 2017, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(quackpack @ Jul 28 2017, 06:30 PM)
Any sifu can give their opinion below?

Is lump sum investing into UT a preferred way or RSP?
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Depends. If you can catch it near the bottom, it can work. If you buy near the top/at the top, good luck.
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post Jul 28 2017, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 28 2017, 07:27 PM)
Precisely, you are locked inside your own stereotype.

By the way, I am not saying UT is the best vehicle to trade. I am not even saying that I agree with it. As pointed out by sifu Xuzen, using UT to trade is inefficient. So this is typically doomed to fail for most funds and for most people.

But there could be some exceptions. This happens when some funds have big step gain. Plus there is zero entry cost and zero exit cost. Management fees is taken care off if the step gain is big. Plus if the person is able to spot trend. Plus .....

There are many conditions for it So we maybe talking about this is one example of an exceptional case.
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Precisely, there are so many conditions to make sure this method work. It is like sure some low ranking tennis players had from the past beat top ranking player such as Nadal or Federer. But the question is, can they do it consistently or are they a one hit wonder?

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post Jul 28 2017, 11:21 PM

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Agree with puchongnite. What is algozen anyway. Is it one of those sheet u key in historical data and try to predict a trend? Not a holistic way to assess a fund if that it is based on historical performance. Unlesd it take into account of fundsize, manager, underlying stocks, macroeconomy, then it is really a good ball.
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post Jul 28 2017, 11:53 PM

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post Jul 28 2017, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(Darkripper @ Jul 28 2017, 11:53 PM)
Any suggestion for top up?
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post Jul 29 2017, 10:47 AM

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North Korea fired a missile that may have landed in Japan's exclusive economic zone, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said.
North Korea fired a projectile that appeared to be a missile shortly before midnight Japan time on Friday, Japan's public broadcaster NHK said, citing government officials. Abe is convening an emergency meeting of officials, Reuters reported.
The Pentagon says it has detected what it assesses was a ballistic missile launch from North Korea.

Japan's chief cabinet secretary Yoshihide Suga is expected to brief media shortly.
CNBC.com staff
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/north-korea...le-reuters.html


Sure Monday all red..

Ringgit to drop more?

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post Jul 29 2017, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 28 2017, 11:59 PM)
Titanic Fund
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In recent history, which are some of the funds that generally outperform the ASNB FP funds?
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post Jul 29 2017, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jul 28 2017, 05:32 PM)
The timing for this 0.8% offer is unfortunate i feel... it happens when all my fund NAV keeps going to new high.
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you desired may be answered (as below)......you will still have till 3 Aug to do that......keep looking at the mkt news.....
hmm.gif just out of fear, maybe at that times of BIG drops....many will be hesitate to buy due to fear of catching the falling knife.....

QUOTE(ganaesan @ Jul 29 2017, 10:47 AM)
North Korea fired a missile that may have landed in Japan's exclusive economic zone, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said.
North Korea fired a projectile that appeared to be a missile shortly before midnight Japan time on Friday, Japan's public broadcaster NHK said, citing government officials. Abe is convening an emergency meeting of officials, Reuters reported.
The Pentagon says it has detected what it assesses was a ballistic missile launch from North Korea.

Japan's chief cabinet secretary Yoshihide Suga is expected to brief media shortly.
CNBC.com staff
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/north-korea...le-reuters.html
Sure Monday all red..

Ringgit to drop more?
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post Jul 29 2017, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Jul 29 2017, 11:44 AM)
In recent history, which are some of the funds that generally outperform the ASNB FP funds?
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hmm.gif unknown to your definition of recent history....
try see post# 7 by Dasecret
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4370783/+0#entry85778651
it has a screen shot .
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post Jul 29 2017, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 29 2017, 11:52 AM)
:hmm: unknown to your definition of recent history....
try see post# 7 by Dasecret
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4370783/+0#entry85778651
it has a screen shot .
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Based on the screenshot, Affin Hwang Select Asia Quantum tops the chart with 21.99% 1 year return. So theoretically if one invest at the optimum time (whatever that is, which yields that 22% pa), that means it surpass ASNB FP by about 14% pa., correct?

Assuming, ASNB FP at 6%,
Affin Hwang Asia at 22% - (entrance fee of 1.xx% or round to 2%) = 20%
20% -6% = 14%


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Remember the wrong date.
The Penang event is this weekend not last weekend.
Anybody went?
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post Jul 29 2017, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 29 2017, 11:52 AM)
hmm.gif unknown to your definition of recent history....
try see post# 7 by Dasecret
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4370783/+0#entry85778651
it has a screen shot .
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
he can also use this FSM tool
to see,....he can select the available "historical" time frame and the regions as he desired,
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post Jul 29 2017, 12:00 PM

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Quantum ad close.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 29 2017, 12:00 PM)
Quantum ad close.
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Some said Ponzi 1 is not doing good recently.
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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Jul 29 2017, 11:58 AM)
Based on the screenshot, Affin Hwang Select Asia Quantum tops the chart with 21.99% 1 year return. So theoretically if one invest at the optimum time (whatever that is, which yields that 22% pa), that means it surpass ASNB FP by about 14% pa., correct?

Assuming, ASNB FP at 6%,
Affin Hwang Asia at 22% - (entrance fee of 1.xx% or round to 2%) = 20%
20% -6% = 14%
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yes,.....but is also come with a list of other usual risks as spelled out in the prospectus

and do that note of this (reproduced)
Disclaimer:
This post does not constitute an investment recommendation. No person should rely on the content and/or act on the basis of any matter contained in this post without obtaining specific professional advice.
Investment involves risk. The NAV price of a fund may go down as well as up, and under certain circumstances an investor may sustain a total or substantial loss of investment. Past performance is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance of the fund. Investors should read the relevant fund's prospectus for details before making any investment decision. An Investor should make an appraisal of the risks involved in investing in these products and should consult their own independent and professional advisors, to ensure that any decision made is suitable with regards to their circumstances and financial position.



do take note of this below posts....


QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 29 2017, 12:00 PM)
Quantum ad close.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 29 2017, 12:03 PM)
Some said Ponzi 1 is not doing good recently.
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post Jul 29 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 29 2017, 12:03 PM)
Some said Ponzi 1 is not doing good recently.
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I am still keeping it... wink.gif
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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Jul 29 2017, 11:58 AM)
Based on the screenshot, Affin Hwang Select Asia Quantum tops the chart with 21.99% 1 year return. So theoretically if one invest at the optimum time (whatever that is, which yields that 22% pa), that means it surpass ASNB FP by about 14% pa., correct?

Assuming, ASNB FP at 6%,
Affin Hwang Asia at 22% - (entrance fee of 1.xx% or round to 2%) = 20%
20% -6% = 14%
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Yes. That's right. That's why if one put into ASNB FP, one needs to wait for 2 years+ to see that return.

But ASNB have 3 good points
1) 6% return
2) fix at RM1/unit
3) instant liquidity

The above 3 points make ASNB an ideal parking place while waiting for mr bear to appear/an ideal bomb shelter if your heart cannot tahan a bear market.

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