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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post May 26 2017, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ May 26 2017, 11:21 AM)
It's the other way actually, subscription fees is the upfront fee and the portfolio management fees is the platform fee equivalent

That's why I say the existing crowd on this thread is not their target customers, because you guys enjoy studying funds n doing trades on your own. There are however people up there who much prefer to have someone settle all these for them. This is a very good product to compete with public mutual agents because it takes 8 years for the fees to rake up to PM's front end charge and it provides all the things that the agent promises

My only complaint is, for the conservative portfolio the charges is rather steep. At the moment FI only get charged 0.2% platform fees per annum and no sales charge; so purely for the services of rebalancing (which I don't think would be a lot for a conservative portfolio), you have to pay 0.3% per annum

FSM SG charges less for conservative portfolio. Not sure why FSM MY did not use the same model

For the higher EQ portion portfolio, basically you are paying the 0.5% to cater for the switching sales charges and service for rebalancing which is likely to be more extensive
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For Managed Portfolios by FSM, does the Subscription Fee & Portfolio Management Fee already cover the Sales Charge? For e.g. let's say FSM decided to purchase Kenanga Growth Fund for the customer, would the customer be charged SC on the invested amount? If yes, is it still 1.75%?


QUOTE(dasecret @ May 26 2017, 01:11 PM)
Subsequent purchases is minimum RM1k. Hmm, They were not explicit on minimum redemption; but it sounds like when you sell it's the entire portfolio. Best to check with live help

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsm/manage...tment-portfolio
The buy button is below the different risk ratings

I bought already, so memang available
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For redemption, the entire portfolio would be sold, it's on the FAQ.

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post May 26 2017, 03:33 PM

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waited 20mins for the agent to respond to my question, and then he noted "we take note for the feedback" and just go. i didn't even finish yet for God's sake. WTF.
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post May 26 2017, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(screwedpeep @ May 26 2017, 03:33 PM)
waited 20mins for the agent to respond to my question, and then he noted "we take note for the feedback" and just go. i didn't even finish yet for God's sake. WTF.
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Today maybe is a busy day, too many callers.
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post May 26 2017, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 26 2017, 03:36 PM)
Today maybe is a busy day, too many callers.
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he kept coming back and ask me to wait. i waited for him. why can't he stay with me when he finished with others and waited til i finish my session and thank him? i was there when he typed.
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post May 26 2017, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(screwedpeep @ May 26 2017, 03:39 PM)
he kept coming back and ask me to wait. i waited for him. why can't he stay with me when he finished with others and waited til i finish my session and thank him? i was there when he typed.
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LOL. Maybe he put too many calls on hold and he sort of confused which is which. blink.gif
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post May 26 2017, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(screwedpeep @ May 26 2017, 03:33 PM)
waited 20mins for the agent to respond to my question, and then he noted "we take note for the feedback" and just go. i didn't even finish yet for God's sake. WTF.
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maybe you ask here we can help faster than them
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post May 26 2017, 04:19 PM

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the subscription fee is on top of the usual 1.75% sales charge?

so for RM10,000, a sum of RM100 (1% subscription fee) and RM175(sales charge) is deducted and the balance of RM9725 is used to buy the funds?

EDIT: Assuming it is moderately aggressive portfolio

This post has been edited by joeaverage: May 26 2017, 04:19 PM
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post May 26 2017, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(joeaverage @ May 26 2017, 04:19 PM)
the subscription fee is on top of the usual 1.75% sales charge?

so for RM10,000, a sum of RM100 (1% subscription fee) and RM175(sales charge) is deducted and the balance of RM9725 is used to buy the funds?

EDIT: Assuming it is moderately aggressive portfolio
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They will charge you one time subscription fee of 1.25% for Aggressive portfolio. If you are the first 50 customers, the yearly 0.5% Portfolio Management Fee will be waived forever for the first RM10k.

The subsequent top up after the RM10k will be charged Subscription Fee (1.25%) and annual Portfolio Management Fee (0.5% p.a.).

This post has been edited by petit: May 26 2017, 04:28 PM
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post May 26 2017, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 26 2017, 04:04 PM)
maybe you ask here we can help faster than them
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I asked him if he can confirm no shariah compliant managed portfolio, and if there is any plan in the nearest time to be introduced. And if the sales charge of each fund bought in our portfolio is already included in that portfolio fee or we still have to pay like normal fund purchase. I hope someone got the opportunity to ask about the fee.
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post May 26 2017, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(screwedpeep @ May 26 2017, 06:17 PM)
I asked him if he can confirm no shariah compliant managed portfolio, and if there is any plan in the nearest time to be introduced. And if the sales charge of each fund bought in our portfolio is already included in that portfolio fee or we still have to pay like normal fund purchase. I hope someone got the opportunity to ask about the fee.
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The subscription charge up to 1.25% is the sales charge for this product. Naturally it has to be lower than the normal fund purchase sales charge as this product also comes with a holding fees of 0.5%. Cannot be you need to pay 1.75% SC +1.25% subscription + 0.5% management fee. Who would sign up wor

The challenge with shariah portfolio is, even their recommended portfolio is not doing great. How to come up with a managed portfolio that can give similar returns
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post May 26 2017, 07:02 PM

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Expect more people will pump money into CMF now that eGIA-i tutup kedai biggrin.gif
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post May 26 2017, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 26 2017, 07:02 PM)
Expect more people will pump money into CMF now that eGIA-i tutup kedai  biggrin.gif
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I am one of them rclxm9.gif
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post May 26 2017, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 26 2017, 08:54 AM)
Actually it have reached my min amount that I want ed which is10% in a year. But I am not satisfied that it's not going up higher. Drag is caused by manulife AP and amasia. Both single digit return. But my other funds are all double digit.

I haven't started but I have opened my account since January. I don't have enough money to buy both UT and stocks on SGX (s-reits + high dividend counter + defensive counter. I am more of a dividend investor). So I decide to go the SGX route first. Generate some SGD first. So far it's working. May and June will be my collection time.

Already made my watch list for SG UT. Just no money to buy and time isn't right.

That's why I waiting for india to drop so I can make my first SG UT purchase.

Have it started?
- It was close but as mentioned above nope.

When has it completed?
- Most likely next trip. There's only so much cash one can bring per trip. You can ask AIYH and see if he's completed his transfer over there.

Expected return
- Min 10% a year (same as malaysia case). But big difference with malaysia 10% vs SG 10%.
- Perfectly fine with (-) return for some year

Startegy going forward
- Split my RM equally into SGX stocks and SG UT.
- SGX to earn SGD regardless how is the market via dividend investing.
- SG UT for growth
- None will be invested in malaysia except for PRS
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what is the different MY 10% and SG 10%?
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post May 26 2017, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ May 26 2017, 07:17 PM)
what is the different MY 10% and SG 10%?
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You don't know? 10% with RM vs 10% with SGD. RM will slide vs SGD in the long term. Cannot escape this fact. whistling.gif
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post May 26 2017, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 26 2017, 02:03 PM)
Yes, sell the whole things, I thought our in-house agent 007 already said it ? wink.gif

That's one hell of limitation isn't it ?  biggrin.gif
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must sell all...

thats one big awful drawback....
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post May 26 2017, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ May 26 2017, 07:41 PM)
must sell all...

thats one big awful drawback....
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Thats how usually portfolio account works.

If not, cant achieve consistent projected returns ..

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post May 26 2017, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(ganaesan @ May 26 2017, 07:50 PM)
Thats how usually portfolio account works.

If not, cant achieve consistent projected returns ..
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Then it should not allow top up.


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QUOTE(ganaesan @ May 26 2017, 07:50 PM)
Thats how usually portfolio account works.

If not, cant achieve consistent projected returns ..
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but must sell all, is really troubling....

i heard dasecret brought it, fell free to tell us the performance from time to time. we all will be thankful for the info..

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post May 26 2017, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 26 2017, 07:55 PM)
Then it should not allow top up.
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Reasons for top up is to re-balance the portfolio... when there is a trigger point to take market downside or upside opportunity...

Moreover, top up is not a compulsory.. Its an optional aspect to better manage the funds during different market volatility.. Its just an option to take market correction..

Even now when we do our own funds management, D.I.Y. , we still do re-balancing...

End of the day, we actually can make that projected returns by doing our own DIY.... See @Ramjade post

Managed portfolio is suited for those who got no time to keep track of their funds and not dared to take decision to do market correction...

Correct me if im wrong...

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QUOTE(ganaesan @ May 26 2017, 08:21 PM)
Reasons for top up is to re-balance the portfolio... when there is a trigger point to take market downside or upside opportunity...

Moreover, top up is not a compulsory.. Its an optional aspect to better manage the funds during different market volatility.. Its just an option to take market correction..

Even now when we do our own funds management, D.I.Y. , we still do re-balancing...

End of the day, we actually can make that projected returns by doing our own DIY....  See @Ramjade post

Managed portfolio is suited for those who got no time to keep track of their funds and not dared to take decision to do market correction...

Correct me if im wrong...
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Your argument is just biased. That's it. If you think an investor is smart enough to perform cost averaging, then he is smart enough to perform profit skimming.

If he is dump enough to partial sell when the fund is at the lowest point and about to fly, then he is dump enough top up when the fund is declining.

If you don't allow investor to interfere, then shut off both top up and top down.

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