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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post May 27 2017, 12:17 PM

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what is the FSM managed UT portfolio for aggressive?
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post May 27 2017, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ May 27 2017, 12:17 PM)
what is the FSM managed UT portfolio for aggressive?
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FSM is charging you 0.5% p.a. platform fees and >1% one time subscription charge for it, you think they want to reveal it to you ?
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post May 27 2017, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ May 27 2017, 12:17 PM)
what is the FSM managed UT portfolio for aggressive?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 27 2017, 12:23 PM)
FSM is charging you 0.5% p.a. platform fees and >1% one time subscription charge for it, you think they want to reveal it to you ?
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you can just get an overall general allocation % which are and will be subjected to changes too....
for an in depth and in details of the funds for each allocation of this current general allocation template....have to DIY

sweat.gif caveat emptor.....this general allocation % template can lead you to Holland too..... devil.gif


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post May 27 2017, 12:39 PM

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currently having some sitting in CMF....
thinking of using this RM10k to go into it just for "fun"
thinking of moderately aggressive at 30%FI:70%EQ
no mgmt. fees only 1% subscription fees
no platform fees for the 30%FI

what says you guys
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post May 27 2017, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 27 2017, 12:39 PM)
currently having some sitting in CMF....
thinking of using this RM10k to go into it just for "fun"
thinking of moderately aggressive at 30%FI:70%EQ
no mgmt. fees only 1% subscription fees
no platform fees for the 30%FI

what says you guys
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Since you appear to be cash ready, why don't you do two, one self managed, one managed by FSM, and tell us the result from time to time ...... rclxms.gif
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post May 27 2017, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ May 27 2017, 12:32 PM)
sweat.gif caveat emptor.....this general allocation % template can lead you to Holland too..... devil.gif


Which is a weird saying considering Holland has never had even a recession smile.gif
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post May 27 2017, 12:48 PM

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can't wait to have two camps. diy vs managed ports. then we can truly compare
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post May 27 2017, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ May 27 2017, 12:44 PM)
Which is a weird saying considering Holland has never had even a recession smile.gif
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Dutch economy struggling to pull out of recession - central bank
.....The Netherlands, the euro zone's fifth-largest economy, is in its third recession since 2009.....
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-dutch-eco...E9590EQ20130610
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post May 27 2017, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 27 2017, 12:39 PM)
currently having some sitting in CMF....
thinking of using this RM10k to go into it just for "fun"
thinking of moderately aggressive at 30%FI:70%EQ
no mgmt. fees only 1% subscription fees
no platform fees for the 30%FI

what says you guys
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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 27 2017, 12:41 PM)
Since you appear to be cash ready, why don't you do two, one self managed, one managed by FSM, and tell us the result from time to time ......  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 27 2017, 12:48 PM)
can't wait to have two camps. diy vs managed ports. then we can truly compare
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since yklooi is thinking of going in for "fun"
was thinking if he can "test" for "fun" the portfolio just for comparison.....
yklooi is thinking of moderately aggressive......
any other suggestion?
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QUOTE(MUM @ May 27 2017, 12:49 PM)
Dutch economy struggling to pull out of recession - central bank
.....The Netherlands, the euro zone's fifth-largest economy, is in its third recession since 2009.....
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-dutch-eco...E9590EQ20130610
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Wow that is news to me. The last time I looked at Holland it had the world's longest period without recession, and was still going smile.gif 1983-2008, 25 years of positive growth, and then,,,

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post May 27 2017, 12:55 PM

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I was thinking of investing into this fully managed fund. Then I can truly benchmark DIY vs fully managed.

Quick question are you able to seperately buy this fully managed in a seperate account.
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 27 2017, 12:55 PM)
I was thinking of investing into this fully managed fund. Then I can truly benchmark DIY vs fully managed.

Quick question are you able to seperately buy this fully managed in a seperate account.
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If you can't you can still open a beneficiary account and put your DIY funds in it. They have very modest targets though.
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QUOTE(Drian @ May 27 2017, 12:55 PM)
I was thinking of investing into this fully managed fund. Then I can truly benchmark DIY vs fully managed.

Quick question are you able to seperately buy this fully managed in a seperate account.
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You need to have either a Personal Account or a Beneficiary Account before you can subscribe to the discretionary portfolio
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsm/manage...nd-services/faq
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post May 27 2017, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ May 27 2017, 10:57 AM)
Algozen™ speaketh; listen well...

I tried putting in various UTF(s) into Algozen™ and letting her run the numbers. Maximum per simulation run is ten UTFs. Anything more, is limited by the correlation coefficient parameters. 

The criteria for selecting UTFs for simulations are:

1) Good risk to reward ratio among peers
2) They must have poor correlation among each other (meaning must be well diversified)
3) Good rating from FSM or other rating agencies such as morning star, lipper etc.

Some of the UTFs I used to run the simulation are:

KGF representing home ground

TA GTF, Manulife US & CIMB Titan representing US

CIMB Greater China &  Eastspring Dinasti representing Greater China

Esther Bond, RHB ATR & RHB EMB representing bonds

Manulife India

TA Europe

If I do not put those into the simulation it means those UTFs do not satisfy the above three criteria.

After running multiple scenarios (I think Dasecret gave it a fanciful name: Monte - Carlo simulation), Algozen™ came out with the best scenario that is:

TA-GTF @ 25%
India @ 10%
AMReits @ 25%
Ester bond @ 40%

This will give a ROI of 12 to 13% with a risk to reward ratio greater than two. This port is moderate with bias towards some aggressiveness. If you want to be more aggressive, reduce Esther Bond by ten percent and increase by proportion into the other. This port is scalable.

Take note that Algozen™ is very focused, she doesn't play Pokémon Go style. The above four are very well diversified and quite optimized in terms of risk to reward.

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Fantastic post here. I like this notworthy.gif
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post May 27 2017, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(besiegetank @ May 27 2017, 11:35 AM)
aww no love for local funds? KGF?
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Boh Hiew , boh chap local. Going for dan lain - lain.

QUOTE(Nemozai @ May 27 2017, 02:58 PM)
Fantastic post here. I like this  notworthy.gif
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I bet I am giving auntie Dasecret a hard - on by talking Monte - Carlo with her .

Xuzen

p / s : I have also perform simulation with Ponzi two and RHB AIF as well. Forget to include in my above write up earlier . Sorry .

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post May 27 2017, 09:08 PM

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If we subscribe to the new FSM Managed Portfolio, do we still have to pay sale charges when FSM help us to purchase equities funds? confused.gif
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QUOTE(Nemozai @ May 27 2017, 09:08 PM)
If we subscribe to the new FSM Managed Portfolio, do we still have to pay sale charges when FSM help us to purchase equities funds?  confused.gif
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from the FAQ, I think "Yes", except for the conservative portfolio



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post May 27 2017, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ May 27 2017, 09:14 PM)
from the FAQ, I think "Yes", except for the conservative portfolio
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I see. Thanks. biggrin.gif

Is RSP available for managed portfolio?
The upfront subscription fees apply to RSP too? Or it's just "upfront"? confused.gif
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QUOTE(Nemozai @ May 27 2017, 09:42 PM)
I see. Thanks.  biggrin.gif

Is RSP available for managed portfolio?
The upfront subscription fees apply to RSP too? Or it's just "upfront"?  confused.gif
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hmm.gif looks like one can only buy/sell an entire portfolio


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post May 27 2017, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ May 27 2017, 09:08 PM)
If we subscribe to the new FSM Managed Portfolio, do we still have to pay sale charges when FSM help us to purchase equities funds?  :confused:
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No. Only two fees are charged.

1. Upfront subscription fee (pay one-off)
2. Platform fee of 0.5% p.a.

Whatever they do with the funds within the portfolio is entirely their control/decision. The subscription fee is already the sales charge.

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