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lee82gx
post Dec 6 2021, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(rain_wolf @ Dec 6 2021, 04:51 PM)
Thank you for taking your time to answer my queries.
1. Yeah I realised that now. Would need to study and compare more between these two fund houses before I decide.
2. I see.
3. Noted on that. That really put things into perspective. I am sorta stuck with the mindset that if the NAV price goes up, I can sell the units for more money.

Thank you once again!
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A typical misconception is expecting that past performance is indicator of future returns. Nothing has been further from the truth especially when it comes to actively managed funds.

History tends to repeat itself, yes but never when it’s convenient.
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post Dec 6 2021, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(yycclin @ Dec 3 2021, 04:48 PM)
Just for discussion purposes,  i hold some RHB Funds
( some are from other fund house ) and it looks like average quite
good in performance  nod.gif

                                                                        Profit-%
RHB Global Artificial Intelligence Fund - MYR Hedged 71.91
RHB Shariah China Focus Fund                                  19.13
RHB China-India Dynamic Growth Fund                -1.69
RHB Gold Fund - MYR                                                -7.82
RHB US Focus Equity Fund                                  14.83
RHB-GS US Equity Fund  19.96
RHB i-Global Sustainable Disruptors - MYR Hedged* 4.36
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i would say that RHB i-Global Sustainable Disruptors - MYR Hedged is a good buy even now as it invests in sustainable/ESG companies. good future potential
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post Dec 7 2021, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Dec 2 2021, 11:04 PM)
um, may i offer unsolicited advice?
Why would you DCA your worst decision ever?

Do you have a best decision ever? If you care to share, I'd like to know it and listen to why you don't DCA that as much as you can?
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Hi,
For your question on DCA. I'm OK with losses as stock market can go up and down. I was worried only when ARKK underperform index funds. I'm doing DCA on my "disruptive" fund to minimise my losses or the price would be at attractive value to enter in or who knows, ARKK's price may have bottomed out. Will have to wait another 6 - 12 months to see its performance. Anyhow if the performance of ARKK is not good as Cathie claims or if it hugely underperform the index funds I will just trim or dump this funds at no loss or profit (after DCA). my investment strategy might go wrong. Have to wait.
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post Dec 7 2021, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(ganesh1696 @ Dec 7 2021, 01:25 AM)
Hi,
For your question on DCA. I'm OK with losses as stock market can go up and down. I was worried only when ARKK underperform index funds. I'm doing DCA on my "disruptive" fund to minimise my losses or the price would be at attractive value to enter in or who knows, ARKK's price may have bottomed out. Will have to wait another 6 - 12 months to see its performance. Anyhow if the performance of ARKK is not good as Cathie claims or if it hugely underperform the index funds I will just trim or dump this funds at no loss or profit (after DCA). my investment strategy might go wrong. Have to wait.
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one thing to keep in mind. if u believe in cathie wood, u need to understand that ARKK or any other funds under them in fact dont behave like index fund. They will never track index fund nor will it keep close to index fund performance. cathie wood funds works more closely like angel investment. they take much losses now for long period of time while the companies under the fund invest for growth n the once or i should say IF it do succeed it will just suddenly boom past the others. think tesla. so they dont do well year to year but once they do, it will be like 2020. n then suddenly they looks not so bad if u average it out. but while they making losses, the average will look very bad. that is like i say IF u believe in cathie wood skill in seeing the future.

This post has been edited by WhitE LighteR: Dec 7 2021, 10:09 AM
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post Dec 7 2021, 11:59 AM

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talking about this Arkk Ut Fund....
i am doing it this way with some pocket money...
outside of my portfolio structure.
don't follow what i am doing...
i am just doing it for some adrenalin rush....
at times (& many times) ranting.gif bangwall.gif too

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post Dec 7 2021, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 6 2021, 02:19 PM)
I am not 100% sure...
Most probably they erred in doing the search program?
Try check with fsm for a right reason?
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Yes, thanks. Will do.
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post Dec 7 2021, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 6 2021, 11:45 AM)
I think I share about this before overlapping of the top 5/10 holdings among different funds. In this case obviously you don't need to buy 2 just 1 is enough. Then which one correct? I share my thoughts.

1. This fund X is say fund house Y. Does Y also offer other funds that look promising? If yes fund X ok as I can do intra-switch easily to other funds in same fund house in case fund X drop too badly

2. This fund X min initial and subsequent invest amt. First time buy we tend to be cautious and don't want put too much in. As in we want to test water. FSM Spore latest promotion give us this chance.

3. Historical performance. For new funds there are no past record to refer to so it is more of a higher risk but it can also mean this newbie is promising also.

4. Some newbie fund are just feeder fund to mother fund which has a long history so this newbie is riding on that mother fund. Not exactly a newbie. Look at their expense ratio for feeder fund it should not be too much since their job is easier just put monies and let mother fund do the hard work of picking stocks.

I hope others share their thoughts too.
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Hi sgh, I have another technical question. Based on your wide experience in UT, do you think:

Fund House X has:
Fund A - invest in general equity
Fund B - invest in semiconductor sector

Let's say Fund House X has a portion of the UT in Company ABC (a semiconductor company) via Fund A, will/can Fund House X also invest via Fund B under the specific sector (semiconductor) of the same Company ABC?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 7 2021, 01:45 PM)
Hi sgh, I have another technical question. Based on your wide experience in UT, do you think:

Fund House X has:
Fund A - invest in general equity
Fund B - invest in semiconductor sector

Let's say Fund House X has a portion of the UT in Company ABC (a semiconductor company) via Fund A, will/can Fund House X also invest via Fund B under the specific sector (semiconductor) of the same Company ABC?

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I think this is entirely possible especially for different funds under the same fund house X. I came across an e.g which I call it overlapping/duplication in my previous post.

Fund House X has:
Fund A - China
Fund B - Greater China

Factsheet of A and B top 5,10 top holdings indicate a very heavy overlap/duplication of the same stocks. The only difference is the percentage weightage allocated since A can only be purely China. And for these A and B factsheet put the same fund manager names!

In fact even across different fund houses, you can also see such overlapping/duplication which is why in one of my earlier post, is it wise for us to buy so many overlapping/duplication of stocks in multiple funds? The percentage weightage are different of cuz but it is same stocks.

Personally for me if the overlapping/duplication is too much (say 70% same), I would just pick one fund instead of multiple funds. I suspect reason why there are heavy overlap/duplicate could be the fund managers are buying the stocks that comprises of the index they are benchmarking with and the remaining 30% stocks outside the index in an attempt to beat the benchmark?

In theory if a fund manger stock pick skills is good he should not take it easy by just buying so many stocks that comprises of the index, because if that is the case a ETF is better (lower expense ratio) and he/she is just taking easy monies from investor by doing minimal work. My personal opinion of cuz.
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Dec 7 2021, 10:04 AM)
one thing to keep in mind. if u believe in cathie wood, u need to understand that ARKK or any other funds under them in fact dont behave like index fund. They will never track index fund nor will it keep close to index fund performance. cathie wood funds works more closely like angel investment. they take much losses now for long period of time while the companies under the fund invest for growth n the once or i should say IF it do succeed it will just suddenly boom past the others. think tesla. so they dont do well year to year but once they do, it will be like 2020. n then suddenly they looks not so bad if u average it out. but while they making losses, the average will look very bad. that is like i say IF u believe in cathie wood skill in seeing the future.
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oh wow. thanks for your insight.

disruptive having a very red day again laugh.gif
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post Dec 7 2021, 07:40 PM

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Beware of the sunk cost fallacy in dcaing your favourite or worst idea ever fund.

You think you are reducing your average, yes, but you may forget that it would’ve been much better working if you bought something that is actually only going to appreciate over time.

Every good stock and fund I know averages UP.
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post Dec 7 2021, 08:26 PM

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Any year end promo campaign currently?
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post Dec 7 2021, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(trapezohedron13 @ Dec 7 2021, 08:26 PM)
Any year end promo campaign currently?
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perhaps this??
2022 Key Investment Themes Promotion
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/research/ar...!?src=funds
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post Dec 7 2021, 10:51 PM

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Below are my 3 funds that bleeding BADLY ;( cry.gif

Affin Hwang World Series - Global Disruptive
Eastspring Investments Dinasti
Manulife Dragon Growth Fund -Hedged

cry.gif cry.gif
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post Dec 7 2021, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(yycclin @ Dec 7 2021, 10:51 PM)
Below are my 3 funds that bleeding BADLY  ;(  cry.gif

Affin Hwang World Series - Global Disruptive
Eastspring Investments Dinasti
Manulife Dragon Growth Fund -Hedged

cry.gif  cry.gif
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these 3 funds is about how many % of your total portfolio?
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post Dec 7 2021, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Dec 7 2021, 10:53 PM)
these 3 funds is about how many % of your total portfolio?
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about 7%..

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post Dec 8 2021, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(yycclin @ Dec 7 2021, 10:51 PM)
Below are my 3 funds that bleeding BADLY  ;(  cry.gif

Affin Hwang World Series - Global Disruptive
Eastspring Investments Dinasti
Manulife Dragon Growth Fund -Hedged

cry.gif  cry.gif
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Chinese stocks been dumping by the Wall Street.

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post Dec 8 2021, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Dec 8 2021, 11:49 AM)
Chinese stocks been dumping by the Wall Street.
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Since when?
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post Dec 8 2021, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(cpng75 @ Dec 8 2021, 11:49 AM)
Chinese stocks been dumping by the Wall Street.
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Depend on your faith. Back in 2000 I bet on China and India and now 2021 over this 20 years of ups and downs including bear and bull market it is ok. The same cannot be said of other country though. As for US it has it's ups and downs too so typically I bet on US,China,India to still have room to steam ahead. In between can try other country or sector funds for more aggressive portfolio.

Last time US sneeze whole world market affected. Now China sneeze whole Asia market affected. So there is still room for China to overtake US position at least before I retire.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Dec 7 2021, 08:36 PM)
perhaps this??
2022 Key Investment Themes Promotion
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/research/ar...!?src=funds
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Nice thanks brother!!
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post Dec 8 2021, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Dec 7 2021, 02:53 PM)
I think this is entirely possible especially for different funds under the same fund house X. I came across an e.g which I call it overlapping/duplication in my previous post.

Fund House X has:
Fund A - China
Fund B - Greater China

Factsheet of A and B top 5,10 top holdings indicate a very heavy overlap/duplication of the same stocks. The only difference is the percentage weightage allocated since A can only be purely China. And for these A and B factsheet put the same fund manager names!

In fact even across different fund houses, you can also see such overlapping/duplication which is why in one of my earlier post, is it wise for us to buy so many overlapping/duplication of stocks in multiple funds? The percentage weightage are different of cuz but it is same stocks.

Personally for me if the overlapping/duplication is too much (say 70% same), I would just pick one fund instead of multiple funds. I suspect reason why there are heavy overlap/duplicate could be the fund managers are buying the stocks that comprises of the index they are benchmarking with and the remaining 30% stocks outside the index in an attempt to beat the benchmark?

In theory if a fund manger stock pick skills is good he should not take it easy by just buying so many stocks that comprises of the index, because if that is the case a ETF is better (lower expense ratio) and he/she is just taking easy monies from investor by doing minimal work. My personal opinion of cuz.
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Thanks. In that case how can we check on these? As far as I'm concern, the Factsheet only tells very little without companies name. We can only access the full report after we have invested in the fund? Pls correct if I'm wrong.

if your final opinion is correct, than i think it would be a disaster for us the investors.

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